1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Hey, have you hunkered your country boots today? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Do you smoke for a living? 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 This is what's going on to our meditators. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Dr. R. 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Hello and welcome to the podcast, Reefer the Reefer. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 I'm your host, Michael Wildecker, AKA Little Farmer. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,000 I'm here with Mark Disney, AKA the Roken Adventurer on Instagram. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Excellent. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 How are you doing today, Mark? 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 I'm doing awesome, Michael. How about yourself? 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Thanks for coming on the show. I'm doing great. 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Me and Mark share similar interests in cannabis. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 We both work in the same dispensary as our first job in the business, 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 so they gave us a lot of time. We had a lot to talk about, 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000 so I thought you'd be a good person to bring him on as my first guest. 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I appreciate you bringing me on, my friend. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 So, Mark, you told me you came to Colorado just for cannabis. 18 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Could you tell everybody a little bit about that? 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Yeah, so I used to live in D.C. area, Virginia. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Ran bars there for a long time. 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Came out here in 2012 after multiple years of trips to Amsterdam, 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,000 and I just wanted to find a potential niche area 23 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 to maybe get involved in the industry when it did finally come open. 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Obviously, you know, California had their whole market going for a long time before that, 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 but I just love the mountains. 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Yeah, that's the same reason I came back to Colorado. 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 I lived here before. I loved the cannabis that was here, 28 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:27,000 so I came back just to learn about the cannabis industry on my niche. 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 I'm doing my podcast. I guess that's my niche. 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:36,000 I always wanted to do a dispensary, but I kind of shied away from that. 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Yeah, my thoughts were originally to, you know, 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 because obviously my trips through Amsterdam were 97 to 07. 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,000 I did about 17 treks, and I stayed always at youth hostels 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000 and obviously always visited the coffee shops. 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,000 So my dream was to find a way to open up a youth hostel with a little coffee shop 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 and something like that, but, you know, laws permitting or not, I should say, 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,000 led me to just getting management with Alpenglow, where we used to both work. 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,000 And then from there, my buddies started the company, Roken, 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 and it just went off from there. 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 So did you start as the manager at Alpenglow? 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I did not, actually. I came in on the bottom rung. 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,000 There was one position being hired for. It was the last trimmer at the table. 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And so I took the job and sat down with a bunch of much younger dudes 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 who were just getting into the industry, and I was thinking, 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 all right, this is going to be interesting. 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000 And I did that for about three weeks. 47 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 And then the owner of this shop came in with my resume in hand saying, 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 hey, Disney, can we talk to you for a minute? 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000 I was like, yeah, yeah, I'd love to. 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,000 And that was the last day I spent sitting at the trim table, so that was pretty cool. 51 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,000 And immediately moved to the next week into store manager position 52 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 as the other person was vacating and had recommended me for the shot. 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 So it's pretty cool. 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 So I actually got started as the manager, but went backwards. 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 I didn't want to be the manager and have all the responsibility. 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 I just wanted to speak to the customers and learn why were they consuming, 57 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,000 what did they like, which helped me learn and fill my goal. 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,000 That's what I wanted to do was just find out as much as I could about the medicine, 59 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,000 the herb, why people used it, what strange people use for certain things. 60 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 I use a few for my stomach. 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I use a few for my ADHD. 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,000 And I've learned a lot. 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Absolutely. 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 When was the first time you actually consumed cannabis 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,000 and found out it was for you? 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Yeah, you know, okay, so the first time it really consumed, it was 94. 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 I was a runner, distance runner for a local university. 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 That was number one in the country at the time. 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And difference of opinion with the coach, I decided, okay, you know what, 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 I'm going to go and pursue my band days and dreams. 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000 So I was a drummer in a rock band in D.C. 72 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 and, you know, just obviously coming to the territory. 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,000 So, you know, especially our band name was PermaGren, so it really fit. 74 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,000 And so that was 94 that I started using. 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 And I noticed it always helped calm me. 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 I was really racy in the mornings. 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 And this is even exercising and doing all those things as well. 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I've got a lot of high energy. 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,000 And sometimes it helped me focus a little bit better and get work done, 80 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 which has led to where I am now. 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Actually, that's the reason I started smoking too, because it slowed my brain down. 82 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,000 I could help concentrate. 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 I could figure out problems better. 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,000 And just I was able to sit still for a little while, and it just helped me focus a lot. 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Gradually, it helped me with my pains too, after being an athlete like you were. 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I'm sure you have some aches and pains. 87 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:47,000 I've got from non-running, because it's not too full contact sport on running. 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,000 But since then, yeah, I shattered my collarbone mountain biking. 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,000 I shattered my right ankle snowboarding, which is very, very difficult to do on a snowboard. 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And then, yeah, I've given myself some good dings and absolutely cannabis usage has helped. 91 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 And I would even say more so the topicals at times. 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:14,000 But for long pains that are over time that are just there, they just aren't going away, 93 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 yeah, the consumption, the way I do it works wonders for it. 94 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Which way do you prefer for your aches and pains? 95 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Which way do you prefer to consume? 96 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Actually, I like to smoke cannabis. 97 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Raw flour, it's the quickest, fastest, easiest for me to control. 98 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Right. 99 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,000 I'm steadily moving into edibles, but it's really hard to gauge how much to take. 100 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Yeah. 101 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 How much not to take. 102 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,000 It's easier to overconsume. 103 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 And there's a lot of different varieties out there too to try. 104 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 So it's kind of... 105 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 It's all a learning curve. 106 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,000 And not necessarily the answers are always with the person behind the counter, 107 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 as much as we want them to be. 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Some of it is a little bit of go with the guidance, and then you go home and you try minimal. 109 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 And you see how that benefits you. 110 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,000 For me, for pain, definitely I do smoke flour. 111 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,000 If I'm having something really kind of like, bam, I just really dinged like my screws in my ankle, 112 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,000 I hit that into a chair or something like that. 113 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I dinged my ankle, hit the chair, just like I did. 114 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Something like that, I might take a dab or something just because it hits pretty quickly. 115 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,000 But cream, especially the CBD creams, a little of the THC that's in there. 116 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Oh, man, that's phenomenal. Instantly relieves pain. 117 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,000 I have talked to many, many customers, elderly, to people who have just had surgery on their shoulders 118 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,000 and they're looking for something to avoid taking obiates and the creams and a little bit of CBD 119 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 or something seems to work very well for a lot of people for those pains. 120 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Yeah, absolutely. 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 I drink a lot of tea as well. 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,000 So I'm a tea in a joint bowl kind of a guy. 123 00:06:54,000 --> 00:07:01,000 And it's a nice way to get the day sometimes started and focused into what I'm trying to get going 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,000 and alleviates the pain as well. 125 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 Do you find that the tea enhances the herbs at all? 126 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,000 I've heard another podcast that talked about tea enhancing the herbs. 127 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,000 I would believe it. 128 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:20,000 I mean, I can tell you in Amsterdam especially, I mean, the coffee shops are serving predominantly warm drinks. 129 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Tea being an herbal drink is already a nice body cleanser. 130 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 So you're cleansing while consuming. 131 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Yeah, I personally think it all goes hand in hand. 132 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Any herbal consumptions altogether is definitely an entourage effect. 133 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 A little synergy there. 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Absolutely. 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Yeah, I heard the flavonoids in the tea can really make a difference. 136 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Hell yeah. Earl Grey's awesome. It's a good one for that. 137 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Is there a difference between medical and rec usage? 138 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,000 I would say in the standard way of looking at it, yeah, there's absolutely rec and there's absolutely medical. 139 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,000 You and I were just talking a little bit off air about the fact that really at the end of the day, 140 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:05,000 any cannabis consumption would be considered medicinal based on what it's doing to the body. 141 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Calming it, relaxing it, exciting it, making it happy, laugh, whatever it is. 142 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Everyone finds their own niche. 143 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,000 It's the understandings of the differences between a sativa and indica. 144 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 I should say that's what it used to be. It's now really terpenes. 145 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 And a lot of people are learning what are terpenes. 146 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Well, it's all the flavonoids and the cannabinoids that are in all the plants. 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 So that's a huge aspect to it. So understanding that goes into the market. 148 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 I think most people start cannabis consumption recreationally. 149 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:47,000 And then as they get older, maybe realize, oh, wow, this is actually doing beneficial for this issue that I have. 150 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 That would be the layman answer. 151 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,000 So I always get asked this question. What do you think about vaping? 152 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,000 And since you work for a vape company and work around concentrates and dabs, electric dab rigs, 153 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,000 what do you think about high concentrates and dabbing and vaping? 154 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Is it healthy for people? Is it something that people should do or could do healthy? 155 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Absolutely. Absolutely. Good question. 156 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Yeah, so the company I work for is Rokin. We are a battery manufacturer and electric nectar collector. 157 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 We do cartridges as well. 158 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Everything we have done has been under very, very strict guidelines as far as how our manufacturing is done. 159 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 All of our products are Ross certified. 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:40,000 That's six separate wires and or products that should not be used in any consumable device that you're vaporizing out of. 161 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,000 So we're covered on that. We're CE certified as well, which is European standards of electronics, 162 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,000 which is a higher standard than what we have. 163 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,000 So we try to make sure that we're providing top grade product right off the bat. 164 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:01,000 And that matters to vaping. Is vaping any form of smoking is not good for you? 165 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 We should say that upfront. 166 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Vaporizing, however, is been proven through multiple studies in other countries that it is actually better for you. 167 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Is it something that one should start at a young age? No, I think all consumption, you know, frankly, if it's under 21, 168 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:26,000 then it needs to be medically stated or however you want to put it. 169 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:35,000 But yes, is vaping of concentrates and things like that, it is a safer method to do it. 170 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 But for sure, it's a stronger product. 171 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,000 And I think a lot of people still need to remember that at the end of the day. 172 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 You know, if if that's what you choose to only want to do, do it in moderation. 173 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:51,000 If you do overdo it, remember that consumption of CBD can bring it right down. 174 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,000 If you don't have CBD, run to your cupboard, find some pepper and sniff on some pepper. 175 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Yes, sniffing pepper will bring down the effects of the THC overload, we'll call it. 176 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I've heard that if you take a vape, like a little toke up CBD, it will help to balance out that. 177 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,000 That was something I heard recently. It was awesome. 178 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 I always tell people take a cool shower. It will snap you back. 179 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Yeah. But, you know, to the point, too, of vaping consumption, you get to control that a lot more, 180 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,000 even though, yes, it's a stronger product, you know, like with our batteries, as an example, the mini tank, you know, 181 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 you hold the button down and you inhale until you're good. 182 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,000 The dial, no button involved. You just auto draw. You just pull on that thing. 183 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Those are for cartridges. Those are for very small, discreet. 184 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Great for people who realize, quite frankly, you know, they do enjoy cannabis consumption, but outside of the home, 185 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,000 maybe they use it for, you know, whatever they're out on their hikes or something like that. 186 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:57,000 And you don't want to have all this smell and attraction coming to you. 187 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 You just want to go about and enjoy what you're doing. 188 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 And maybe you just need that small little amount. 189 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 So that's where a benefit for those coming in. 190 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Really, when I like a vape pen with cartridges myself is when it's discreet. 191 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:15,000 I'm around a family that doesn't like the smell or the odor, so I try to be discreet and respect them, you know. 192 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Absolutely. Now, the Stinger, we created that for the, you know, like I'm the adventurer. 193 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 We're all adventurers in our own right in the company. 194 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Everyone sees me a lot, the Rokin Adventure on Instagram, and I'm all over the place. 195 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,000 I love getting out, getting on good hikes, going on little bike rides, motorcycle rides, things like that. 196 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Yes, I do like to relax when I get to my destination, and I'll relax for a good 45 minutes to an hour. 197 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:48,000 So, yeah, I like to take out the Stinger, you know, 30 seconds, 15 second preheat and 15 seconds to take a little hit off of that. 198 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,000 And it's very discreet, it fits in the palm. 199 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:57,000 I prefer the Stinger vaping or diving concentrates than the cartridge and pen myself. 200 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,000 There you go. 201 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:06,000 But I prefer a lower THC, rosin, or a concentrates around 60 to 70% THC. 202 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000 That's usually my max. I don't like to go any higher than that. 203 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Personally, sometimes I break out in a dab sweat. 204 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Yeah. 205 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000 It's kind of uncomfortable for me, so I avoid those. 206 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,000 But I do enjoy a nice rosin every once in a while, or something with a really nice terpene. 207 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 That's what I look for. 208 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Absolutely. 209 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 What about yourself when you smoke concentrates or dab concentrates? 210 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Do you go for the higher THC? 211 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 Because that's a big issue now. 212 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 A lot of people are cutting down the limits on the high THC. 213 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,000 They're saying it causes problems with younger kids. 214 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Schizophrenia, things like that. 215 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Well, you know, it's an interesting... 216 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,000 We were touched on this just earlier. 217 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:48,000 The fact is that terpenes is really what it's all boiling down to now. 218 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 THC content, sure, matters. 219 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:56,000 But if somebody is just going around and choosing their product based on that, I would say, you know, change it up. 220 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,000 One of the most effective strains I ever had actually was from our old place called Chocolate Heaven. 221 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,000 I don't think it was ever over 16%, 17%. 222 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:11,000 And it was one of the most relaxing afternoon smokes when you're done with work, having a cup of tea. 223 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 It was awesome. 224 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 It was just chill. 225 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:21,000 It fit perfectly because of the terpene profiling, a lot of citrus in there, and it was just...it fit. 226 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,000 So I don't go for the bang. 227 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Like you see some cartridges now that are in the 80s, 90s%. 228 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 If it's a live resin or a live rosin, it's not going to be up at that percentile. 229 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 And quite frankly, you're going to be shocked at the difference. 230 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 And what is the difference, one would ask? 231 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Well, I would think when you hit the stronger ones, the 80, 90% ones, yeah, they give a little bit of a pop, 232 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,000 but it wears off quicker and sooner. 233 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Whereas with the lower ones that are more terpene focused, which is going to generally be a lower THC content profile, 234 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 those last a little bit longer. 235 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 They taste a heck of a lot better. 236 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,000 And you're getting the whole entourage effect, which is the most important thing. 237 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:12,000 What could you recommend? Because I know as a blood tenderer, I always got the question there would be people who are highly interested in consuming, 238 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 and this is their first time, but they don't want to overconsume. 239 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:21,000 And they're afraid to try these high THCs because they've heard it could cause unwanted side effects. 240 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Have you ever had unwanted side effects from consuming cannabis or concentrate? 241 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:35,000 I've definitely probably been a little, you know, sketched out a word to use in relation to it. 242 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:44,000 But I tell you, I mean, I try to think back on, quote unquote, bad times. 243 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,000 And I don't necessarily say bad times per se. 244 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,000 You know, first off, don't smoke and drive. 245 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 That's something I tell everybody. 246 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Don't do that stuff. 247 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,000 I learned that years ago with my band buddies way, way, way late at night. 248 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 You were telling me a story. 249 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Yeah, you know, the simple, simple, quick story is we were in the car. 250 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,000 I ended up actually driving and my buddies all were like, hey, man, there was a traffic light up a way. 251 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Don't forget to stop. So I did. 252 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 And then at that point, I guess we all weren't convinced of the cleanliness of my windshield. 253 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,000 So we put all four heads out the car and realized I was probably 60 yards from the light. 254 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,000 So at that point, somebody else took over the driving. 255 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,000 So, you know, things like that. First off, don't do that. 256 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 You know, just plain and simple. 257 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,000 That was stupid. Have I had bad experiences? 258 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Truthfully, on cannabis, I really haven't. 259 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:49,000 I've been very fortunate to find something that worked perfectly for me to cover any of the 260 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,000 issues that I might feel, you know, would generally get me diagnosed some sort of a pill. 261 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,000 And I just don't feel like going that route. 262 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,000 So the worst case scenario I've ever had was a friend of mine and we were together. 263 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 She had an edible. She's eaten edibles before. 264 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Some of the really strong ones had a great time. 265 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Some knocked her out. But this time she was near her parents and her parents had no idea. 266 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,000 But she was, oh, my God, do you think they know? 267 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,000 And she started getting really paranoid and her heart rate started going. 268 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Oh, man, she couldn't settle down. And this was totally different. 269 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 So I didn't know what to do. 270 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:33,000 We started doing meditation. We had to get a cold shower, a cup of coffee. 271 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000 And finally, after an hour, it went away. 272 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:41,000 So one of my recommendations, if you're going to try consuming cannabis for the first time, 273 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,000 don't be around anybody that you're going to feel ashamed of, 274 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:53,000 knowing like your parents or your grandparents or a boss or a best friend who's always said, 275 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000 you shouldn't try that because you're going to be paranoid. 276 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,000 They're going to know you're going to get a little antsy. 277 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Absolutely. 278 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:08,000 I would recommend always being with somebody that you're comfortable with in a comfortable place. 279 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Nothing strange is going to happen to make you worry. 280 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Yeah, point to that one. 281 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Edibles consume lightly. Edibles kick in. They can take up to two hours. 282 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Consume lightly. You might want to eat that whole chocolate bar. 283 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Don't eat the whole chocolate bar. Give it a little pace. 284 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000 I always recommend for first time, 2.5 milligrams. 285 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,000 And that's one great thing about the recreational market now or even the medical market. 286 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,000 People have a chance to come in and buy these low doses and try it. 287 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Right. 288 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 And eat their way into it. And they know exactly how much they're getting. 289 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:47,000 On the black market where you're getting it, you were telling me like sometimes in Amsterdam you'll get a strong cake. 290 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 The next time it wouldn't be. It just depends on the cannabis they had on stock at the moment. 291 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Yeah, you know. 292 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000 They were doing it themselves at the time. 293 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:59,000 My first base cake was 98 in Amsterdam at the church, which is a brilliant coffee shop. 294 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Still there to this day. 295 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,000 And I was there with a couple of buddies showing them for their first trip ever to Amsterdam. 296 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,000 And so we each got our own space cake and we consumed them. 297 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 And man, those things kicked in within 30 minutes and they were strong. 298 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 I mean, we were plastered to that table for five hours. 299 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:23,000 They charge you for every drink in Amsterdam, but we were the only three in there for sometimes an hour, hour and a half at a time. 300 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 And God bless the barista. 301 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,000 She would come up with three drinks and be like, you guys look like you could really use these. 302 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:33,000 We're like, all right, good. So that was a great, great, fun, fun experience. 303 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,000 But yeah, you know, back then they used to just we asked how strong are these? 304 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:44,000 It's just like, well, once we've sold all the flour out, anything that's left that was ground up, 305 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Keef wise was just poured into a batch regardless of how much it was. 306 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 So we apparently got a strong one that time. 307 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000 So yeah, be careful. 308 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Once you consume out there, people, if you get something off of a buddy, it could be super strong or it might not be strong at all. 309 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Exactly. One of the reasons I came to Colorado is because I was just tired of trying to find cannabis on the black market. 310 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,000 I ended up in many bad situations. 311 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:24,000 I've ended up with consuming bad cannabis, which was tainted because it wasn't regulated, which made me very sick. 312 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 And that's one thing I recommend to people. 313 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:33,000 If you can't find clean cannabis to consume and it's tainted and moldy, defer it. 314 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Do not consume it. It will make you sick. 315 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,000 You can get bad lung infections. You could get pneumonia and I have gotten it. 316 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:48,000 So I was very happy to come to Colorado and find cannabis that's been tested clean. 317 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 And I have not had one chest problem since then. 318 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:58,000 But to get back to the point of being in bad situations, 319 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,000 one time I had gone to get some cannabis on the black market and ended up at a heroin house. 320 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Oh, Jesus. 321 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,000 And I had no idea. It was a friend I knew from high school. 322 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,000 I hadn't seen him in 20 years. 323 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,000 I was like, yeah, I can get you some help. Come back. Come over to my house and I'll get you some. 324 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,000 So I got there and, oh, well, you got to wait a minute. I got to contact somebody else. 325 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,000 And I was there for two hours. And while I was there, I ended up seeing veterans coming in, 326 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,000 shooting up heroin. And I found out I was in the heroin house and I wanted to get the hell out of there. 327 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Oh, that's rough. 328 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Have you ever found yourself in a bad situation like this too, Mark? 329 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:47,000 I feel mine's going to be a nice little comic relief after because that's hardcore. 330 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000 I've never had anything like that. 331 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Well, I've known people to get robbed too. I've been very lucky on that point. 332 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,000 I had 20 bucks taken off of me in San Diego back in 97. 333 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,000 And that was just a really funny experience because I walked down the street. 334 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000 I probably shouldn't have gone down. 335 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,000 And even the people on the street in their front yards partying were asking me very bluntly, 336 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,000 what are you doing walking down this street? So that was a funny experience. 337 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,000 But a really funny time as far as like almost getting, you know, maybe mad because, yeah, you know, 338 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:23,000 you used to have to go black market and that meant if you really were wanting to go that route, 339 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,000 then you had to sometimes go to places you maybe didn't want to. 340 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,000 There's this area back in D.C. back in the day for a year from back home. 341 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000 You might know it or not, but it's called 203. 342 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 And this is an area down in D.C. that you could drive to. 343 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 And it was just a block and you could just drive around the block and you could hit up anyone. 344 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,000 And so I was down there with my good friend one time and we're in my pickup truck. 345 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:52,000 And we decided we were going to get a little little extra because, you know, we talked to a guy at the window. 346 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000 He's like, I can get you, you know, an ounce or something. 347 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 I was like, oh, well, shit, I'll tell you, I was coming down here for a while. 348 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:04,000 So I pulled over, parked the truck, went over, got it from the back of his car right there on the street. 349 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Vehicles going by. 350 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:14,000 And just as I walked back over to my car, there is a cop sitting on the corner just eyeballing me, hardcore. 351 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,000 And I'm like, oh, man, this ain't good. 352 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:29,000 So I go to the car and I, I popped the hood and then I go to the back of the vehicle and I pull out my oil can that I had back there because I just luckily had oil. 353 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:34,000 And this all just came to me instantly like, oh, what the heck can I do to stall some time? 354 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:40,000 So I pop the hood. I go in there. I crank open the oil. I pour it into the thing. 355 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,000 I take my sweet time checking the dipstick, look over my shoulder once in a blue moon. 356 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Yeah, he's still watching me the whole time. 357 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,000 He's just waiting for us to pull away so that he can come in and do what he needs to do. 358 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,000 And so I run out of oil. There's nothing else I can do. 359 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Pretty much close the door and I look at my buddy. I'm like, moment of truth, man. 360 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000 And I go to the back. I throw it in the back again. 361 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Just as I start the car up, you see him look down, pick up his radio. 362 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Here's a call come in, frustratingly slams the thing down, looks at me one more time, throws his lights on, peels off around the corner, looking at me the whole time as he drives by because he just got called over to another corner. 363 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Soon as he was out of sight, bam, car on, into first floored it out of that corner. 364 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000 We didn't go back for a few months. 365 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:41,000 We figured, OK, we're good. But yeah, one of those, you know, nothing major, but yeah, could have would have been a changing experience for us for sure. 366 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Yeah, being from the country of West Virginia, I've had a few friends that go down that way for work reasons. 367 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:57,000 And I've done the same thing in the cops. Do search for out of state plates and people who look way out of place and they will pull them over for any little reason. 368 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 So absolutely careful looking for one in the black market out there. 369 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Well, to your point and to the point on my stories, too, you know, are dispensaries a good thing? 370 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Absolutely, they are for the testing that they go through and the safety that they provide. 371 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:16,000 If you're in a state that's not recreational and you have medicinal things, go talk to a physician about getting a medical card. 372 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,000 If you're in a state that doesn't have either yet, you know, there's other states that are really cool to check out. 373 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 Just a lot of people are moving for that reason. 374 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:32,000 They are. They are absolutely. And that's also, I think, why a lot of states are kind of maybe in some cases making the moves to realize, you know, 375 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,000 there is financial gain for a state making these moves. There are tax gains for sure. 376 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:45,000 And those need to be utilized correctly. And so, you know, just go about your business. 377 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Well, that moves right into our next topic. Where do you see cannabis in the future? The recreational market, the medical market? 378 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Where would you like to see it go? 379 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Wow. I mean, it's such a big question because, let's face it, corporate entities are getting more highly involved. 380 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:12,000 However, federal government regulations don't fully allow some of these major companies to just blanket their own names into it yet. 381 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:21,000 When that comes, there's going to be a big change in the market as far as pricing is concerned. 382 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Dispensaries may have to consolidate. I would dare say that, unfortunately, you're going to see certain companies come up like a Walmart. 383 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:38,000 I guess look at standard shopping, supermarkets that you go to. You know, you can go to the Walmart and buy vegetables and all those things there. 384 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:48,000 They've got a lot more things packaged. And then you can go to your local farmers market, if you will, and get some really nice homegrown things. 385 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:54,000 I think that could be one aspect of the recreational market. You're going to have the extreme of, hey, what do you want to go down? 386 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,000 You want California stuff tonight or you want some Illinois stuff? I heard Illinois makes some good stuff. 387 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:12,000 You can choose that. Or you're going to a craft maker, you know, a craft market dispensary on the corner that, look, we grow all of our own and we operate with four other growers in this area. 388 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,000 And we don't sell pounds within a hundred mile radius, period. This is just where our stuff stays. 389 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:25,000 Cool. I can appreciate that. That's what the craft beer market's doing now. Everyone sees a craft brewery opening up everywhere, same concept. 390 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:33,000 For the medical side, that's where it gets to be a very interesting gray area. And I wish it could be a little bit more defined. 391 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:43,000 I believe pharmaceutical company is going to come in and make a very big stink into it, especially when federalization goes. 392 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Rumor has it they've already got patents on certain strain names, which is a bummer to hear. 393 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:57,000 But it's why you see, you know, it's why you don't see Gorilla Glue written on containers anymore. It's GG number four for a reason. 394 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,000 So that's going to change aspects of it. However, you and I were talking about this earlier. 395 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:15,000 I still think the concept's going to exist in a CVS type atmosphere where you can still buy extra strength Tylenol right there, walking right in, grab it, go right up to the counter, pay for it. 396 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:25,000 And you go out with your cream soda that you bought. I think it's going to be the same concept where they're going to have up to a certain level, probably 100 milligrams available. 397 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:31,000 But anything over that that you have a prescription that says you're eligible to get, you can get from behind the counter. 398 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Will they still be serving a thousand milligram candy bars? That's maybe one or two companies will. 399 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:51,000 But so, yeah, I do think that for the small town growers and shops, how do they survive? 400 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:59,000 If you don't have that small niche community right there that you kind of encompass and you've become just a known entity there, 401 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:11,000 you have to almost follow the co-op models, the REI concept, where you've got one group that organizes all these different brands under one umbrella. 402 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:19,000 But those brands still are represented under their own name when you go in there. Like you go into REI and you can still buy Columbia gear. But I digress. 403 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:33,000 So as you know, and I know after consuming cannabis and being in the cannabis culture for so long that most of the people that want to consume cannabis medically want to avoid pharmaceutical companies and want to grow their own cannabis. 404 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:40,000 I prefer to grow their own cannabis and consume their own cannabis. Absolutely. And the caregivership is what I do. 405 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:54,000 I want to make sure in the future that that stays alive so people have a chance to produce their own medicine instead of having to pay the pharmaceutical companies or pay for the medicine if they are able to grow their own. 406 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:03,000 I would agree. I mean, it's a plant first off. You know, you look at markets that have gone recreational and not all of them allow the consumer to grow their own plants. 407 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:11,000 You can't grow your own in Vegas unless you have a medical card. I personally don't think that's right. I think every person should be allowed to grow three to four plants. 408 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:21,000 I think that's a quite reasonable amount for an individual to be able to take care of themselves and their needs. 409 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,000 And I don't think you should have to have a medical card to do that. 410 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Not when you can. Sure, anyone can grow their own hops. Not everyone does, but you can. And you can get all the ingredients to brew your own beer. 411 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:45,000 So if you can brew your own beer, why can't you grow a plant? Seems kind of, you know, silly to me. 412 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:54,000 But God bless the states that that do allow you to do it. And I think that, you know, and what you're saying as well, you know, everyone should be allowed to do it. 413 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Also, just simply because it's a beautiful plant to grow. It is really a pretty, pretty plant. 414 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:09,000 So I know you've traveled back East and you've talked to a lot of people too. And the attitude I get from people there that they're just sitting back waiting for it to come. 415 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000 It's coming. It's going to happen. It's going to be legal. We're going to be able to do it here. 416 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Do you see that happening or do what do people need to do to speed that along? 417 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Can they just sit back and wait or should they get out there and demand that they should have the right? 418 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:36,000 I mean, everyone should join, you know, your local normal or MPP organization, especially if you utilize it for medicinal and your state hasn't made any moves yet. 419 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:50,000 They should absolutely be pushing for the advocacy of it. However, and I understand the fine line where some people who do get state provided funding because of a medical condition, 420 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:58,000 don't want to put their name out for exposure that could suddenly eliminate that. And now they're doubly screwed in black to black market. 421 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:13,000 So I do what is makes sense to you in your state. But absolutely joining normal or MPP is a great move to do and getting involved in your local community, 422 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000 especially as they're starting to make moves, you know, support where you can. 423 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:25,000 My suggestion is vote. Get out there and vote, especially for your local local government. 424 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Vote for the changes from the town, the county, then move up to the state. 425 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Absolutely vote for the right representatives that are pushing the, you know, the right ideas across the board that you agree with. 426 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:52,000 And shockingly, there are probably more on both sides these days that are pushing for the legalization anyway, because of the realization of the tax benefits to each state is dumbfounding. 427 00:32:52,000 --> 00:33:00,000 You know, some of these states that haven't made it wreck yet could really utilize some repaving of their highway roads. 428 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000 I know because I travel all over the country with a camper in tow. 429 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:12,000 And sometimes I open up that camper after travels through certain states and man, I spent 30 minutes putting the thing back together. 430 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:21,000 Joking aside, that's one aspect. You know, really should the funding go into education to the youth of why to avoid drugs and all these things? 431 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:30,000 Absolutely. These things need to be treated, you know, as it is 21 and up 18 and up medical. 432 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,000 We were talking earlier. So we're going to wrap this up here, Mark. 433 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:42,000 I just want to give you the opportunity to let the listeners out there know where can they find some broken products and get more information about the products that you offer? 434 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Cool. Absolutely. Appreciate that. Yeah. So Roken is the company I work for. 435 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,000 You know, we mentioned Amsterdam a couple of times earlier. A lot of people are wondering where did the name Roken come from? 436 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Everyone's heard of the red light district of Amsterdam. 437 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,000 Well, when you actually look on a map, it's officially in what's called the Roken district. 438 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,000 It's actually the main street coming from the train station is Rokenstraat. 439 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000 Roken loosely translated as Dutch for the word smoke. 440 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:17,000 So we put a lot of giving homage back to where anyone originally could go to consume cannabis openly and freely. 441 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,000 We wanted to, you know, give some representation back to that. 442 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,000 So that's where Roken came from. You can go on rokenvapes.com, buy anything online directly through there. 443 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:36,000 We also have a store locator on there. So you just type in your zip code and it'll come up with the local store dispensary or smoke shop that carries our products. 444 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Again, we do all 510 cartridge batteries, removable shields and slides on our two main devices being the mini tank and the dial. 445 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,000 The Rage also has a removable shield. That's for protection and also discretion. 446 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,000 And it also allows to fit slightly wider cartridges by removing that slide. 447 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:03,000 So that's one big benefit with those devices. The mini tank itself is great for flavor of product. 448 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,000 It's set at a 3.6 arcs down to about 2.2 after four seconds. So it never burns your product. 449 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,000 Your last hit on the cartridge tastes as fresh as the first hit. So that's a great feature with the mini tank. 450 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:26,000 The dial has 21 temps. So if you really are a cartridge consumer and you know that I want to burn live resin or live rosin at different temperatures, you just dial in whatever temp you want, auto draw, pull away. 451 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,000 I mentioned the stinger. The stingers are traveling nectar collector. Works great at home too. 452 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:38,000 Don't get me wrong. It has a removable glass bubbler, little area to reclaim product that comes through, a little splash guard. 453 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,000 You've got a removable ceramic tip. You can soak that in rubbing alcohol. 454 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:51,000 We designed our tips so you can do low and high temp dabs with the same device. That's all controlled by the microchip that we put into it. 455 00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:02,000 1100 mod battery. So it's really a lot of power. Great product to be utilizing for your dabs for terpene profiling. That's one thing we are. 456 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000 We are smokers ourselves in the company. We consider ourselves connoisseur smokers. 457 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:14,000 That's why you keep hearing terpene dropped. We aren't trying to be the biggest cloud on the market instantaneously. 458 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:21,000 But yeah, our device will go up to 15 seconds. So if you can't get a good cloud off of that, then right on. Let's talk. 459 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:27,000 I got a big lung capacity. It gets me right to my checking point. I do not recommend coughing. I do not like coughing. 460 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,000 But I like a full lung just enough to get to that point where I'm okay. 461 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 Yeah, exactly. 462 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:43,000 That's where it gets me. But I have a roommate who never vaped before because the dab rigs are just too much for her and she'll cough over just a little bit. 463 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:50,000 But she likes it because she can regulate her head a little bit lower and she loves the flavor. Now she's actually dabbing some. 464 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Oh, sweet. That's excellent to hear. 465 00:36:52,000 --> 00:37:01,000 I recommend the product. I like the Stinger because it's pretty easy to clean. All my electronic products get resin up really quick. 466 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:08,000 And I don't even dab that much. I can imagine somebody who dabs on a daily basis. A lot of electronic products get really dirty. 467 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000 They do. 468 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000 This one's a quick poke. If it gets, you're gone. 469 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,000 And then we also, we just introduced our Outrider, which is our herbal vaporizer. This thing's great. 470 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:25,000 It's got a little ceramic dish that you load your product into, heating elements around the dish, and has conduction heating, 471 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,000 which means it pulls the air from outside the device through air holes that are right next to the ceramic bowl. 472 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:39,000 So it's not traveling the whole length of the device. It's just going right in through the side. Smooth, smooth herbal head. 473 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 That's for vaping flour. 474 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:50,000 It's got a zippo-type flip top that opens up, has haptic feedback, which means it vibrates when it hits the temperature you're ready to use it at. 475 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 It goes for two minutes and then it vibrates. Let you know it's done. 476 00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:02,000 But yeah, check us out. www.rokenvapes.com. You're going to find something that you're going to want to get into your repertoire for sure. 477 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 Yes, it's highly recommended. 478 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,000 Cheers to that. 479 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Well, hey, thanks for coming on today, Mark. 480 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000 Oh, Michael, thanks for having me. 481 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,000 Thanks for having me. Appreciate you having us on, having me on to talk about us at Roken. 482 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000 Thanks. No problem, man. It was a great pleasure. 483 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Awesome, brother. Great seeing you. 484 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:39,000 Thank you. 485 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000 Thanks for having me.