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Welcome back to another episode of the Resellers Mindset Podcast.

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My name is Mike, also known as the used book guy on YouTube,

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along with my friend and fellow full time reseller, Johnny B.

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We help people start and grow their reselling businesses from the ground up.

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We also have a weekly Zoom call and private Discord for all YouTube members.

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Let's get into this week's episode.

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What is up, everybody?

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Welcome to another episode of Resellers Mindset Podcast.

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Mike sitting next to Johnny.

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I'm just going to let him take it away.

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It's his topic. So let's get into it.

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Help. I need somebody.

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So going through this alone can be a struggle

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and doing your day to day operations can also be a struggle.

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So we're going to cover a gamut of things from real life employees,

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meaning they come into your space and help you and assist you in your day to day work

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or a virtual assistant and or equipment that you need to perform the task

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and that would make you have no employees.

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And then groups getting just verbal help, asking the questions you need help with.

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So that's what we're going to be covering today.

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Do you think? I mean, I know the answer to this, right?

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Because we talked about kind of we kind of hit on this in different ways over the years.

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It's weird to say, right?

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We've been doing this pocket over the years of us.

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Oh, my God.

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Do you think resellers are too quick to hire on help?

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100 percent.

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They I'm not going to say they need to pay their dues,

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but they need to be financially sound before they jump the gun in that.

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And of the list, I mentioned helpful tools is the way to go first.

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Get tools.

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They don't cost money after you purchase them.

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Everything else costs money after you subscribe, if you're doing the group methods

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or you hire somebody virtual or in person recurring cost.

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The tools and equipment that those have no recurring costs one time upfront fee.

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So in my opinion, tools, software, equipment, stuff like that needs to be purchased first.

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And then if you still need help after that fact,

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then it's time to do that, assuming your cash is squared away in order to do so.

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If it's not, you need to hold off a minute and continue the status quo.

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I think the way we look at this, it's different, right?

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Because we have the eBay land and the Amazon land are the main two lands we live in.

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And I think in Amazon, I think it's the same way as eBay that people jump into it.

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Because you if you'd leverage your tools and I wish there was like a I don't know,

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like some kind of like a business gauge that you had to fill up before you were even able to think about hiring help.

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Like you have to, I always tell everybody, well, max out yourself before you think about hiring somebody else.

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And I think when I say max, I mean, like, be efficient, what's the most you possibly can get done?

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What happens here is people max themselves out in air quotation marks.

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And it's just because they're overwhelmed because their business is kind of all over the place.

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So they feel like they need to hire somebody.

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But in actuality, if they just straighten out their own business and their own processes, they could get a lot of their time back.

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So it's almost like a false sense that you need somebody when in actuality, you are probably the furthest thing away from needing somebody.

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You've never produced a schedule for yourself.

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If you've never done a time audit and or recorded yourself to figure out the mistakes that you're doing, you have no business hiring an employee right now.

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You need to do those three things minimum.

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And then stage four is, well, once you've done all these things, well, what makes me faster?

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Or, hey, I need to stop doing this thing repeatedly that I see myself doing in this recording.

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If I'm setting my phone down or if I'm having to walk to the wall, it's time to pull a package.

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There's so many refinement things you can do first.

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Because if you hire an employee before you do those things, they're going to be making the mistakes that they're unaware of.

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They don't even know their mistakes yet because you told them what to do, but you've been doing it wrong.

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You're still continuing to do it wrong.

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So those mistakes are just going to compound and cost you more money because you're not going to get their hour, the most out of their hour that you pay them that you could be doing if you did those things for yourself first.

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You are the master of your business and you need to be the professional at your business and then literally teach somebody how to be professional for whatever the job task that they're coming on board to do.

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Honestly, if you don't, you're going to be in a world for her.

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There are plenty of big businesses, several big media players went out of the game this year, 100 plus employee staff.

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I guarantee you they were not efficient or they had gambling problems, one or the other.

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Don't put a slot machine in front of me, dude.

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I mean, my Amazon money be going right to the casinos.

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I do think this might be a weird kind of hot take, but I don't care.

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I don't care what people think or say about us anymore.

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Johnny, we've been doing this so damn long.

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Who cares what the people think?

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Once you've done a year of podcasts, you can say whatever you want.

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We're over two years.

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It doesn't feel like it.

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I feel like we just started this two months ago, but I think people try to hire their way out of laziness into a profitable business, if that makes sense.

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So the people, the idea of automation, and I can just sit back and everything gets done for me and I just get a paycheck.

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I think a lot of people, that's what they do because that's what you see it all the time.

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Amazon automation or hire a VA for eBay listings.

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And I don't even have any of the slightest clue why you would even pay somebody to do the eBay listings because it's the most important thing.

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And if you got to go in and double check it, triple check it, quadruple check it anyway, you should have just damn did it yourself.

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So these people that hire these people, it's just like, why do I don't, it's hard for me.

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You've had employees, I've managed people in a retail environment.

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So I know what comes with training people correctly, holding people accountable, all this nonsense.

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And I think to myself, would I ever need an employee in this business? Possibly.

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But at that point, I mean, by myself on Amazon, I would probably have to be doing 250 to 500k in sales a year before it would even be on my radar.

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And even then, I would probably just drag Deb in part time or full time. And that's kind of like my employee, but not really.

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So I think that you have so much potential as one person in reselling to make so much damn money.

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Look at the people we've had on here. They've done some of them, seven figures, multiple six figures all by themselves.

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And sure, the time may come when they need an employee, but that's never the first thing on their mind.

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The first thing on their mind of these people that are successful is like, how much can I make by myself?

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How much more efficient can I be by myself?

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And I think it's two completely different reselling mindsets is you have the people that want to run to the employee right away,

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and you have the people that run to themselves right away and like, OK, what can I do better to make more money in the same amount of time or less time?

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Right. The counter argument is that employee frees you up time to do more profitable tasks.

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And that is true in and of itself. That is 100 percent true.

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However, if you have it again, if you have an optimize your efficiencies, if you have an optimize your I've redone my format for how I've done my eBay listings.

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I've redone my format of how I do my storage. And that takes time.

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That takes the thinking time. And if I wasn't in it, I wouldn't come up with the ideas that I've come up with already to improve the business, more or less.

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And it's just night and day difference.

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Even in a VA, that's going to take time. It's going to take more time.

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You're doing a virtual assistant, in my opinion, because it's either screenshotting or scheduling a call for when you both meet.

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It's not like they walk in the door the next day.

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So it takes a little bit longer and a little bit more patience, in my opinion, when you go the VA route.

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And then I see a lot of people and I'm not saying it's wrong, but I see a lot of people utilizing chat GP to help them do their business.

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In my opinion, that is an employee. That is a tool.

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That is a tool to help them do their business.

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Either it's research or coming up with a fancy description or doing price searching on the Internet. All fun things.

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But again, that takes time to do, which you could do faster at start.

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But again, in any business, if you work long and hard at something and prove the process is finite, that tool is going to serve you better, especially in the realm of what's up Amazon Tellers.

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AI artificial intelligence.

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Yeah, it's crazy to see.

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And this is just like the infancy stages of AI.

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And this is like the beginning of it, and it's kind of been a form of that has existed in the media game for years, right?

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The mega sellers that have the conveyor belt to just scan the barcode and then it goes down and it puts it into whatever gaylord that it's going into.

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Right. There's 10 different gaylords that the items going into.

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So it's kind of existed in a way in the media land for the huge sellers for 10 plus years.

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And when I think about AI, when it comes to like eBay, right, everybody's like, oh, you get this stupid AI description, right?

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Like, and I always type it just to piss you off. Right.

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When I do my one listing a year, Johnny, I'm like, I'm going to hit use AI description just to piss you off.

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I know. I know it like a ghost slaps you on the back of the head.

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Like, hey, Mike, just hit that button, right?

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Wherever we're at in the universe.

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But I think there's going to be trends we're going to see where big companies or small companies are going to start leveraging AI.

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Almost in a way, I think about it like this, the Amazon seller app, you can scan anything and it'll pull it up, right?

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It'll pull up the remote. That exact.

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I think we're going to start seeing more of that in like different categories, say, for example, like clothing or shoes.

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Like, there's going to be these mega sellers that have this AI that's advanced.

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And I've even seen it now, too, where people are developing AIs where you can drag and drop a picture like this kind of fake library I have behind me.

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And the AI automatically reads the spines of the books and prints out a list of all the books.

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So you don't have to sit there and look and see which book it is anymore.

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I think we're headed that way.

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What happens when you when you have a lot of these mega sellers, you become like media, the most oversaturated category on planet Earth.

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So you as a small person has to kind of start thinking ways how you can be different and make money.

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I think it's going to be tough when it comes to utilizing the tools in a way that's going to be beneficial to you as a small person.

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But I still think there's going to be a way. But the tools, they they are your friends, especially in Amazon land.

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I mean, even eBay, right? Like you got the therapy.

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There's so many tools behind the scenes that I've never even ran a sale on eBay.

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There's so many different things. I know you were focused on kind of building a store, like building a rapport for repeat customers.

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But we don't we don't think about using that.

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People run to the actual person instead of the tools.

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Like, I'd rather have like, no offense, Johnny, I don't want Johnny.

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Give me the cool tool that's going to give me back my time.

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Right. Because what if Johnny's like, well, like, I'm still combing my beard and he's like three hours late.

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And I'm like, dude, where the hell are you at?

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But the software is right here. It's right at our fingertips.

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And I think we have to leverage that more.

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And I know a lot of us have been doing this for a long time and all this is brand new.

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And, you know, people don't like change. Right.

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We're like, oh, no, dude, the AI sucks. I don't want to use it.

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But I'm here to tell you if it's going to make my life easier, then I'm all for it. Right.

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And because what happens to either get on the train or you get left behind at the station and you get left behind at the station, it's freezing cold out.

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You don't got a coat on. All of a sudden you get the bite. Right.

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You get the frostbite. That's the end of the line, dude. I'm just saying.

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Right. So let's talk about when you need to get an employee.

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We'll start with human beings. The virtual assistants are human beings, but they're their own bag, in my opinion.

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We're going to start with human beings.

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So when should you hire a person to come in and what should they be doing?

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When? Well, you got enough cash, like six months in the bank in case something drastic happens to continue to pay whatever salary it is you've agreed upon,

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whether it's 20 hours a week times, well, six months of weeks.

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I mean, come on, you need at least that much money because you don't know what's going to happen in your business.

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We get curveballs thrown at us every day and our job is to adjust, adapt or die.

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Most of us die. So let's let's do some adjusting and adapting here.

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So I think. Six months of salary for that employee is a good range to have just OK,

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I got six months saved up and now I'm going to bring somebody in, whether that's taken,

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I don't know, five percent of everything that comes in, sticking it into the payroll account.

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And when you have six months, well, pull the trigger on you.

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You're more than safe at that point. You could do it sooner.

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You could always do it sooner, sure. But you're not safe at that point.

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I want you to be safe when you bring on a staff member.

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Now, I think people try to hire into profitability.

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Absolutely. Profitability and scalability.

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They're like, oh, if I could scale, I'll make so much more money.

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It doesn't work like that, unfortunately.

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It'll work to a degree, but everybody plays Excel math millionaire.

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And all they see is the millions of dollars they'll make if they just bring in X amount of staff,

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because that staff can produce X on that Excel sheet. And that's not the true.

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There's also turnover and there's also hiccups.

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New fees come on, which which make your Excel sheet worthless at that point.

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And now you're unprofitable. Way to go Excel math millionaire.

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I do like the idea, though, like you said, like the six months kind of salary set aside.

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But I'm here to tell you, Johnny, that's a big ask. Right.

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Like a lot of us are broke and it takes I think it's all about time. Right.

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Can you sit down and tell yourself that this process is going to take years and be OK with it?

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And I think most people can't do that. And, you know, I relate to it all the time.

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It took me and Deb years and years of a weekly budget to get out of debt, like years.

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Nobody's going to know. They're not lining up outside, Johnny,

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to sign the dotted line to do something for three years so they can hire an employee,

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especially not in the resale world, because it's not spun that way. Nobody's out here.

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I mean, I don't even say it's going to take you years to kind of start a business and grow a business.

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So I think it's hard to get people to to kind of do what you're saying.

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And that's why they want to. Oh, Johnny's got company.

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This might be a live unsolved mysteries episode.

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But yeah, I think a lot of people, they just want to run, run, run, run, run.

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The idea of slowing down and committing to a process, which is growing a business.

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And it all starts with that mindset of having a business as a reseller.

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You can't just be like, well, I'm just a reseller. I'm just a reseller.

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I'd rather call yourself like an entrepreneur or small business owner.

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Yeah. And, you know, my wife says, well, your your podcast is titled Resellers Mindset.

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Why isn't it small business mindset or entrepreneur mindset?

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Because we're so attached to that term reselling.

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And overall, when we think about reselling, we kind of just it's fiddle faddle.

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You kind of do what you want. Go to the stores when you want.

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Make a little money when you want.

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It's it's so hard for people to commit to this game, this business for three plus years.

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And a lot of people that have you become stagnant.

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And if I look at myself when I started, I had no idea.

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I'm just sending stuff and just trying to grow my business.

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But now I'm like, well, now I can really start growing this business.

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And if I look back, you could argue that I wasted the first three years of this business

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because I, like everybody else, was just like, hey, this is this is cool.

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I can make some money on the side.

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And I never really took it seriously to the extent that I should have.

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And I probably missed I don't it's not probably I know I missed out on a lot of money,

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but never once did I think about hiring an employee for me.

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I think it's different. I think if I was the eBay only seller,

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I would be more motivated to scale quickly to hire an employee to scale again,

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because I know the workload is completely different for you eBay sellers than it is for us Amazon sellers.

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Our software is our employee in Amazon and eBay.

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You have to have somebody else. But that's so hard.

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It's not just hire somebody like Johnny said,

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because you have to train them to do everything the same way.

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And let's face it, nobody's going to be as passionate or as detail oriented about your business as you are.

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So you hire somebody on and unfortunately, they suck.

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Well, most resellers have haven't been in a management situation, haven't had to let somebody go.

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Well, I don't want to fire little Rosie because, you know, she's 70 years old.

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This is her only job.

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Yeah, she's not the best. But you know, this is her only income.

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And then you wind up you just get stuck in a rut and it just sucks the capital and life out of you and your business

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because you know, you have somebody that's not doing everything you need them to do.

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And they're taking the money from the business. It's tough for me.

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I don't I don't see myself hiring somebody, Johnny.

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I mean, I do think I know you can scale an Amazon business into seven figures by yourself.

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So for me, I'm just like, what I need to hire somebody, maybe.

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But what what what the hell would they even do?

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I don't even know what I would even have them do.

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And I think people don't even ask that question.

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They just think hire somebody.

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And then I guess the question is, do you if you hire somebody, are you hiring them to do a set thing?

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Are you hiring them to clone yourself and be able to do it all?

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I think the latter works the best in the former works for you learning how to manage employees

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phoning yourself, I think, takes time and effort and energy a lot more so than hiring somebody for a similar task.

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Maybe you've never managed employees doing the phone.

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Well, it's going to exhaust me, but honestly, because you're wanting it to be a carbon copy right now today.

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And I know that's not how that works.

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It takes months, if not a year, even in a land.

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What was that a complete clone of a usually training and do one single phone?

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So what I think hiring a clone is the best and ultimate and the way to go.

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But when you're ready for it, in all actuality,

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because if you try it and you fail and you fire that person because they don't meet your

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you, the owners expectations, you may choose not to hire for a very long time, even though you need to do so.

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Just because you had a bad experience because you yourself were inexperienced in managing people.

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I think you do learn a lot, though, if you hire somebody, right, you hire somebody into the business

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and you're like, well, what what's going on here?

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Why isn't this person like doing this or doing that?

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And you realize, well, wait a minute, then this actually this is something I got to change.

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So it can be eye opening, but there's easier ways and cheaper ways to realize your own faults and hiring somebody

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and then being responsible for that person's paycheck every single week to learn things about yourself and your business.

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And Johnny said in the beginning, I've never recorded myself doing anything besides for like YouTube.

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Right. Like I don't record myself going through a bulk pickup or things like that.

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But I do think there is some merit to doing that.

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And I still suck at time management.

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I'm nowhere near as good as I possibly can be.

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And thankfully, I have somebody, a significant other that's real good with time management.

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She says, hey, well, when you're doing this, you're distracted by these other things.

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So for me, an employee just it wouldn't make sense.

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But I do know there's a lot of people out there now that could benefit from an employee.

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And I know it's scary to hire somebody.

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But if you have the capital or if you check off all the boxes, you have the money, you have the supply.

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Right. Because if you hire somebody else, you're going to be going through a lot more inventory.

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You're going to be you should be listing double what you are from when you were just by yourself.

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So if you check the boxes, I think it's OK to hire somebody.

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But I will caveat that with you don't always have to be the Johnny of the universe,

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where his main plan is to grow this kind of empire and be able to have a clone of himself.

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And so he so they can run the business.

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And he's kind of just the overseer that sits in his throne and smoke cigars all day and gets paid.

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But that is like, you know, like I said, he signs the dotted line for, OK, this is going to be a 10 year plan for me.

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And I'm perfectly OK with 10 years.

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That's completely different than a lot of us out here that are just like, hey, we want to make some money as fast as we can.

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Employees are not the fastest way to make more money.

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It's the fastest way to go bankrupt and just be done with reselling all together.

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Right. I mean, also, I think the adage.

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Was it quick to fire, but quicker to or quick to hire, quicker to fire will serve you well.

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I do not not stick with someone just because they have the good trait of reliability.

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If they're bad and they're unteachable and they never learn, they need to go.

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They need to go yesterday.

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If you're paying them just because they come in and collect a paycheck and they're slower than Eeyore,

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Winnie the Pooh, toss them, get rid of them.

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Mike, he makes fun of me a lot when I used to do this.

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When I bullpen hired, I would let one go every couple of weeks.

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It was like survivor of the employees when I had like six or seven coming at once because I only planned on keeping one, but I needed the best of the best.

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So hire seven, keeping one. Not all of you are going to make it.

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They had no idea about this.

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I think they wised up after I fired the second or third one.

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You know what? They got a little bit quicker when I once they realized what I was doing.

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No explanation ever given about that.

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But I told the last one, but yeah, because she was the winner.

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Here's the surprise.

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Here's your briefcase.

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And you get all of their hours.

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Look at you.

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It's tough, man.

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I mean, you've been there, right?

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You've dealt with the headaches of people.

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It's not as I guess the question is, was it as glamorous as you thought it was going to be?

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It's never as glamorous as you can be.

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Not by a mile.

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Because here's this thing.

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Your expectations with them are way up here because you see the pathway of what you and them are going to be doing together.

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But you're right here.

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You're just starting that little race.

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Right.

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And you may be behind schedule.

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You may be ahead of schedule on some task, but way behind or haven't even started these things that are due at the same time.

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And you want to pull your hair out.

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And you also take some personal anguish.

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Like, what am I doing wrong?

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Why aren't they getting it?

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What can I do to teach them better?

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And honestly, having that little heart to heart with the employee, like these are my goals.

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These are what I want to do.

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I need your help to get there.

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Here's my advice.

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But if you ever have a question or you think you can do it faster and better and more efficient, please do that.

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But come tell me that efficiency because maybe I'm in the dark on that because I'm perfectly fine with the employee having the best idea of all time.

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I don't need to provide that 100% of the time.

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I would like staff that does provide ideas on occasion, not all the time coming to me every five minutes.

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Hey, Johnny, I got this right. Hey, Johnny.

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And I don't want any of that because I'll toss out 99 out of 100 of them.

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And that's disheartening to them.

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On that note, here's a little tip.

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Just say, I'll think about it instead of saying no.

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If you say no too often, they will stop coming to you all together.

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So you just say, I'll think about it, even though you know it's no already.

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And also, we'll dive into the virtual assistants here.

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I don't as a hard game to play because you never know if they're outsourcing their job to like some family member.

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Which is a common problem with VAs or a personal friend or whatever,

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because they'll just clear a dollar off the five that you sent the person you think is doing the work.

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You really got to microanalyze the work from the get go to make sure it's how you explained it because just like anything.

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But it's cheap, Johnny. I pay $2 an hour.

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And it's cool. You get like a little merit badge on your reselling bomber jacket.

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You get a big VA patch you can put on the back.

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Yeah, and it's harder to do a VA, in my opinion, than it is to do an in-person hire.

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Now, the plus side with the VAs, usually they only have a couple of tasks and that's all they'll ever have.

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And if you need another virtual assistant to do other things, great.

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You may be able to teach. If you got the All-Star VA, the best VA of all times, they may be teachable in additional tasks.

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But normally, it's one or two things, Max, a VA will be doing for you.

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But you got to be checking the work constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly, because you are the blue button presser.

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If you're on eBay, you know what the hell I'm talking about.

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Or you're checking their pricing, if they're doing pricing for you on Amazon land or if they're doing some other tasks.

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Now, I think out of everything you could hire for shipping, at least eBay shipping is the simplest.

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If you do the pricing ahead of time for Amazon, arguably they have a shipper there.

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But if you're going to do that, you might as well list it yourself, because you've done like 98 percent of the work already outside of the physical task of boxing.

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Now, what do you pay these employees, Johnny?

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A lot of people, there's two methodologies, by the hour.

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This is the winner if you're ahead of the game here or by the piece or by the task.

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I'm not a fan of this one because a savvy person like myself would abuse the hell out of that system and I would bankrupt you.

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I'd be the best of the best. Well, I'll stay at 24 hours.

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You're going to owe me 24 hours to buy the piece listings.

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If you're doing a VA, a dollar a listing, well, in that realm, even if you're doing piece mail in the physical realm, buy the whatever, six dollars a task or whatever.

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It's real easy for them to, I think, take advantage or not the other way.

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They don't do it because they're not motivated by the task.

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Everybody's motivated by the hour.

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But by the task, that's a 50-50 shot, in my opinion.

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Maybe a little closer to 75 will do it, 25% won't.

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But what if you're doing a bad job?

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You've already paid for the work.

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Now you've got to pay for them to redo it again or maybe again and again and again for the same item.

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Oh, here's the big crux of that.

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You've got to know your numbers if you're going to buy the piece.

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By the hour, too.

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But I think it's even more extreme by the piece because if you're selling $12 items and you're paying a dollar to list the items,

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I don't know if that's mathematically feasible for you to come out without making sense since an hour now.

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Who's the VA now?

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Who's the VA now? It's you.

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Yeah, I want to mess around with it until I was super profitable and I thought to myself, where do I want this business to go?

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I think that's a big thing with me is I want to be super profitable by myself before I even start thinking about making one of these kind of huge jumps.

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It kind of leads me into the next one I wanted to cover when it comes to help you need somebody is that there's so many groups out there.

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There's so many resellers that are doing six figures, seven figures that have these groups.

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I think all even not even not even the groups like I got amazing people that comment on the YouTube channel on the podcast, like every single video with great information.

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I think there's so much good knowledge out there that if you're by yourself and maybe you feel like you need an employee, maybe getting into a group, you know,

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and kind of seeing what other people are doing is only going to benefit you.

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And then maybe it opens your eyes up to, hey, all right, then I don't need to do this.

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Or you can ask a question to somebody that was maybe in the same situation you were six to nine months ago, years ago, and they can kind of give you guidance of exactly what they did.

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Now, I'm not saying don't take every what everybody says and resell land like as code of conduct.

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Right. Like if I sit here and tell you you need to do X, Y, Z.

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Well, who the hell am I to tell you how to run your business?

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Right. But I'm here to tell you that in the in the groups, in the in the calls, the coaching calls and the weekly calls and the discords and the patreons and all these different types of groups.

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There's a lot of good information.

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And I do think there is more good information than there is bad information.

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I think a lot of those bad information groups kind of have gone away since the spike of the reselling during the pandemic.

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So there's a solid five groups out there that I could think of where you could join for next to nothing, way cheaper than an employee.

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Right. Like less than a dollar a day versus an employee.

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You're going to be paying one hundred dollars a day to actually grow your business and reflect upon yourself in a way where you don't need the employee or it's going to it's going to help you level up the game.

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And that help you need. You can drop a question and it'll get answered by somebody that's kind of been in the same situation.

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But understand when you join groups, there's always going to be people out there that are like hot shots.

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Right. Like they kind of like I pride myself on just, you know, being transparent across the board and giving people the exact answer that I would do in that situation.

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And I don't I try not to be jaded in any way with an answer where I'm like, well, you know, this is how I would do it or like come off as somebody that's like pompous just because I've been doing this for years.

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But I do think the groups are a great resource in today's reselling world environment we live in.

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Sure, there's people that will never join a group and that's a OK, but there's plenty of free groups.

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There's plenty of free Facebook groups out there. Sure, it's going to take time. It's kind of like the employees.

408
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Right. You're going to go through the groups. You're going to try to find one that isn't full of these pompous people or people that are talking out both sides of their head.

409
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:59,960
But I personally as somebody that runs a group and I see other groups out there that I know are putting out great information, I think that maybe should be a requirement.

410
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Maybe you should be required to join a paid reselling community before you hire somebody.

411
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It's going to be a lot cheaper. And I guarantee you're going to learn a lot more about yourself and your own business when it comes to this.

412
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So if you're the person that feels like you need help, that's all out there.

413
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You can comment, you can message any of the biggest resellers out there.

414
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You don't have to, you know, go just hire an employee and think you're just you can't wing it no more in this business, I guess.

415
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So, Johnny, I said that Johnny stepped away for those that weren't watching.

416
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I heard everything.

417
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I was thinking of employees, they decide to open my garage door when it was raining cats and dogs and I didn't have lids on some of my tubs.

418
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So some of my merchandise got wet. So I'm not too thrilled.

419
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How do you feel about my statement that you should have to join a paid reselling community before you hire somebody?

420
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I think that's great because they will tell you a lot of same information we're telling here right now.

421
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Also, that you will find refining of systems and processes and or be able to run ideas past people that may spur you in totally different direction.

422
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,080
That is well, way more.

423
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Way more. In the now, what you need to do right now than hiring that employee.

424
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,720
Yeah, and it's easy. I said, you know, you don't got to fire somebody.

425
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,160
You can just hit leave the group, right? And then you just disappear.

426
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,000
Yeah, I mean, for every good group, there's 10 bad ones. I won't lie.

427
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,160
I think I can't offer a money back guarantee, right? Because YouTube takes the money, right?

428
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,440
YouTube, YouTube is like the mob boss over me.

429
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,200
So you give me your two dollars and ninety nine cents and like you're like this group sucks.

430
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,160
I can't believe I'm paying two dollars and ninety nine cents. Right.

431
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:48,440
I can't give you a money back guarantee, but I'm here to tell you one call every single week for two dollars and ninety nine cents.

432
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,080
It's like it's it's unheard of out there.

433
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And that's in which it might sound like a shameless plug, but even somebody in my, you know,

434
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kind of level in quotation marks or Johnny's level, we're still always learning stuff because when people are at different stages in their business,

435
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,080
everybody's trying different things. Right. And some things are actually really good.

436
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,880
We have people that come up with the craziest ideas that work in the group.

437
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,400
And I'm like, OK, listen, I I won't plagiarize this, but I'm kind of sort of going to do this.

438
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,040
All right. Like and I think it kind of throws people off when they throw something out there.

439
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,520
And I'm like, because I'm the leader of the group and I'm like, that's a good idea.

440
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,480
I'm going to repeat what they just said because I'm the group leader and everybody listens to me.

441
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,440
It's like the Pied Piper coming along.

442
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,000
It can be like the newest person to write the newest person comes in and they have this great idea.

443
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,880
And like the first thing they say over in the discourse is like they put their idea out there.

444
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:46,400
And I'm like, shit, like that is a great. I don't know who you are, but I'm doing exactly what you said.

445
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,400
And they just started to resell like a month ago.

446
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So that's going to do it for this episode. Help is out there.

447
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Just make sure if it's a physical person, an A.I. robot, a software, make sure your business can afford to bring on the help

448
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and realize you're by yourself, you have a lot more capabilities than you actually think you do.

449
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So we'll talk to you all in next week's episode.

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Thanks for listening to another episode of the Resellers Mindset podcast.

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