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Welcome back to another episode of the Resellers Mindset Podcast.

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My name is Mike, also known as the used book guy on YouTube,

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along with my friend and fellow full-time reseller, Johnny B.

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We help people start and grow their reselling businesses from the ground up.

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We also have a weekly zoom call and private discord for all YouTube members.

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Head on over to youtube.com backslash use book guy to join the channel and gain

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access to the full length podcast zoom call and private discord today.

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Let's get into this week's episode.

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What is up?

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Everybody welcome into another episode of Resellers Mindset Podcast.

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Mike next to Johnny today.

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Today's topic is going to be a fun one.

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We are going to talk about.

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Is it really true, Johnny, that you can get banned on Amazon for one single item?

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A lot of resellers usually start on other platforms besides Amazon.

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Uh, always hear the harsh stories of, well, I don't want to go sell on Amazon

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because there's a risk of getting banned on Amazon for one single item.

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So I'm going to jump in first and Johnny's going to take over here

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and just answer the question.

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Can you lose your account on Amazon for one single item?

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The answer is yes.

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We'll dive a little bit more into it, but I'm curious, Johnny, your thought process

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when you were coming from eBay to Amazon, the risk, the scary grim reaper knocking

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on your door, the chance of that happening every single day, like what was your

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mindset going into it and like, are you still worried like on a daily basis

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that you're going to lose everything?

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Uh, yes. And to the daily basis, going to lose everything.

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Also, yes.

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Um, I think the fear of your livelihood on what we do when we're dependent

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on somebody else's platform, it's always at risk.

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I don't care what platform you're on, whether it's Amazon, eBay, Macari,

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Posh, Etsy, whatever, you have to play by their rules.

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And if they feel justified or unjustifiably so that you are not, they will issue you

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not even a two weeks notice.

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You're just gone.

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Bye bye.

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Thank you for your, or they don't even give you a thank you.

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They, they, they just say, you know what?

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You've been bad.

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We don't want bad people here.

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See ya.

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That's how it works.

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Um, and yeah, it's scary, but if you get caught up in that and get absorbed into

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that, and I see this a lot with news sellers, too, but I think it's a lot

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of the same thing with the news.

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I mean, they're, they're, they're terrified.

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They are shaking their boots, but it's just a matter of following the rules

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and the odds of it happening.

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It's not a hundred percent that you're going to be safe, but they're much, much

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lower.

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Um, and in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, do I have a job today?

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Let's log on.

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Okay.

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It's still good.

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Let's get to work.

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Let's get to work.

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We got work to do, Mike.

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That's so funny because it's so true.

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I don't like, I don't have that mindset anymore.

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Like sure it could happen, but I know there's, there's ways, as long as you

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don't do anything that's like absolutely against, you know, terms of service

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within Amazon, but like you can get jammed up.

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You have to understand the risk with Amazon.

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And for those, you know, hear the horror stories and maybe don't sell on Amazon.

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So say, for example, you want to sell a, I don't know, we'll do two different

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examples.

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So I'll do the book one first.

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Uh, everybody knows textbooks.

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Textbooks are the riskiest media items.

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You can sell a lot of larger textbook companies, Cengage, Pearson, McRoll,

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the big ones everybody knows, right?

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Um, they all have lawyers on retainer.

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And what happens is they go in to their new best-selling textbooks that they're

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selling millions of dollars of every single year to college kids.

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And if there's somebody like me or Johnny on the listing, even though it's a

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used textbook, you still don't have the rights to sell that item.

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They will basically ban you for one single counterfeit without a test by

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they don't even have to buy your item.

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It's automatically counterfeit to them because they want you to prove to them

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that you have authorization from Pearson, Cengage, which you do not have.

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99.9% of people do not have that.

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And they hold your account hostage.

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So they tell Amazon, I don't want Johnny on this listing unless Johnny comes

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directly to me and speaks with me.

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So what happens here?

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Johnny says, well, I still want to sell on Amazon.

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So he reaches out to the lawyers and they say, well, Johnny, we see you're

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doing six figures a year, so we're going to need a $20,000 check from you.

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And then we'll think about lifting that mark on your account so that you can sell again.

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So that is the book example.

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Yes, this happens.

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I mean, I'm in a lot, I'm not in all of the book selling communities, but I'm here

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to tell you on a weekly basis, there's somebody that loses their account.

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Over one book.

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And I mean, can you blame them if you're new and you send something, then you

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don't have the funds to go pay off the textbook company and who's to say it

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doesn't happen again, doesn't happen again.

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And it's the same way when you sell new branded products.

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I'm wearing a Puma track jacket, right?

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Well, I'm selling Puma on Amazon and Puma all of a sudden says, well, we

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don't want Joe Blows selling our Puma gear.

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We don't know if it's real.

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We don't know if it's counterfeit.

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It affects our customer, our brand image.

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So we don't want nobody selling it no more.

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So they take everybody down, same type of situation, counterfeit without test by.

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If you have thousands, tens of thousands of dollars invested, you're

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up the creek without a paddle.

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So there is a lot more nuances and it is kind of scary, but there

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is ways to mitigate risk, but for some reason we don't want to, you know,

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we're so greedy to make that extra money.

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I mean, think about it.

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One book, Johnny, one stupid book, even if the profits, three, four, $500,

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you lose everything for that $500.

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You got to be out of your mind.

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Why not mitigate the risk?

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And there, there's ways you can still make money on that.

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You can sell to companies that will sell it on Amazon that

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have the authority to do it.

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You don't personally have to do it.

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So I struggle with this idea.

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Whenever I see somebody that gets jammed up for selling a textbook, because

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I've been saying that now for over a year and I sound like a broken record.

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Just don't do it.

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Pass the risk on to somebody else.

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But we can't get over that initial mindset of, well, I need to make this

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$200 today and then you don't realize, oh, all of a sudden you're gone.

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You wake up like Johnny said, and there's a big orange bar that says,

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your account has been deactivated.

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And you're like, boom, gone out of it, out of everything.

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And it's not worth the singular item.

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And then it's the, here's the fun thing, how that works.

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Usually they want, they want a paper trail.

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So you go to your distributor, either you have an invoice, you ask for an

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invoice, give it to Amazon and Amazon will come back at you.

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Now we want your distributor distributors invoice, and that's where

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you're getting kind of screwed.

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Because nobody wants to give up their source really.

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And even that, well, like most people that sell on Amazon, you know,

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they're just going to retail stores or thrifting.

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So that shit don't cut it on Amazon land.

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Hey, they want actual, like Johnny said, sure.

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You got your invoice.

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Well, what about your suppliers invoice?

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And then what about your supplier suppliers invoice?

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These brands, some of these brands are ruthless and textbook

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companies are way up there.

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I just don't know why we take the risk.

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If we can mitigate it, pass it on to somebody else, but it is, it's real dude.

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Like you can, you can lose it all for one book and it's crazy to think.

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You got 5,000, Johnny's got 20,000 items sent in Amazon.

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He wakes up all of a sudden he's gone.

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Then you know what they're going to do?

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They're going to send all them books back to him and they're going to charge

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him the removal fees of a dollar 50 a piece to have them all sent back all

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20,000 books and listen, they're not going to put them all in boxes together.

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You're going to get 20,000 separate way too big boxes showing up at your

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front door over the next six months, all because we decided to take a risk.

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And I kind of pride myself on having people be aware of the risk and doing

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things because I don't ever want to say something to get somebody banned.

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Right.

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Like I don't want to put somebody in a situation where if they decide to do

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something, there's a chance you're going to lose your account.

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I'm in the opposite mindset.

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Sure.

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If I'm going to take some stupid risks like that, then I keep it to myself.

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And be like, yeah, sure.

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I'll decide to sell textbooks, but I'm not going to tell everybody to do it.

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But that's the reality of it in the Amazon space.

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It's not talked about enough.

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Like a lot of people's business models are a lot more risky than you think,

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but you're never going to hear it talked about because if I'm trying to push

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content or push, you know, X, Y, and Z software, X, Y, and Z, this or that.

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Then of course you're not going to say, Hey, you can lose your account over one

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item because who in their right mind would start a business that one day,

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one book or one, one, you know, track jacket and you're selling career.

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And then, um, we have, and we have the new items on Amazon, right?

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We know where we got this book from this DVD, from the CD from an eight new.

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I mean, there's some questionable things of what new means.

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I mean, me and Jack were looking at one listing once it was, uh,

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stories of the Bible set, right?

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It it's a gigantic sense from the eighties.

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We are in 2024.

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It ain't new.

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We're seeing new on the listing.

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They're like, there's no way this is new.

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There's no, where was it?

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Where, where was this thing?

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Was this in the back storage closet of the facility at the printing press

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that somebody just pulled out recently?

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There's no way this thing is new.

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So people and resellers is what I mean by people send these items that are old,

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no way possible as new as new items in, right?

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And it's like, um, no, it's the appeal.

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It's the same thing.

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Like you always talk about a lot of people speed, only a very few get caught.

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So we live in this realm of, well, I see everybody else doing it.

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Like everyone, there's still plenty of people we have over in the

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group that sell textbooks, right?

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I'm just like, you do you, right?

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Like, Oh, well, I've been selling textbooks for 30 years and I never got jammed up.

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Well, guess what?

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That one time you do get jammed up.

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Don't come crying to me.

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Like there, there's ways in my opinion, where there's always risk.

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I'm not sitting here saying you can have an Amazon business with zero

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risk of ever getting banned.

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Even if you own the brand you're selling, like there's still ways you can

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still get jammed up on Amazon, right?

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There's no 100% safe way to sell.

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I mean, you're factoring your own product.

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It's yours and you can still get bad.

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You can still get banned, but I think there are ways we can heavily decrease

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this risk and not be, don't let it scare you.

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Like I think to myself, like if I never jumped into Amazon and like, I still

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was the everything eBay seller, like how different my life would be.

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So like, I understood the risk and as, as times pass, like Amazon, you know,

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it's kind of like seasonal, right?

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They'll like things change within Amazon, what, what they're cracking down on or,

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you know, this new publisher, this brand is now gating all their products.

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So it's an ever changing like market out there when it comes to account

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safety and account health, but you can avoid a lot of this stuff, but we're

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so greedy for that, for that profit, man, for that, for that Bolo that we're

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willing to just bet it all, rule that wheel spinning around all my money's

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on number seven, I got a one in 36 chance or whatever it is of it hitting.

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And it just, it's not going to work out.

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I feel like it's, if you're familiar with the Bible, it's like,

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if you're familiar with the Bible, the apple, the knowledge tree,

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and it's the temptation, right?

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So here's the analogy of a reseller.

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We're scanning all these books, $2 profit, $3, $5 profit, and bam,

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here's $150 prop.

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What is he flipping over?

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It's a textbook.

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You have it in your hand.

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Do you send it in?

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It's right there.

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You've been scanning crap all day.

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And here's this precious little gym, a hundred dollar plus profit book.

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Yay.

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Do I put it in the box, Mike?

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Do I put it in the box?

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It's evil.

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You're 100% correct.

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It's evil that the most profitable books usually are textbooks, but there's

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the one thing that can kind of just get you shut down in a day.

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So.

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What's up, Amazon sellers.

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I asked myself, like, what does, how much in profit does that one textbook?

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And what's the risk?

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Right.

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So like, if, if I run it through, like, you know, they got things now where you

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can check if it's how often it is counterfeited.

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So like, if it's a highly counterfeited textbook, and I'm thinking to myself,

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man, I got to put this in the box and send it.

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And there's like a 50 50, maybe even higher chance I lose it all.

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Like how much in profit does that one textbook have to be?

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It's got to be six figures for me.

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It's got to be six figures, but yet here we are sending in $10 profit

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textbooks that run you the risk of losing your account.

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When I'm sitting here telling you, it's got to be probably two

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hundred fifty thousand dollar profit textbook for me to send it in.

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Yeah.

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It's that, well, here's your salary.

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For them to forgive me for my sins.

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And I go sell them another platform kind of money.

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Yeah, exactly right.

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It's got to be big money.

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But no, it's the temptation so bad because you're getting all these low

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margin profit books and then all of a sudden, bam, here's the big winner of the day.

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It's a textbook.

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It's hard for it to leave your hands.

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It is.

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And you have to set it aside and decide what else you're going to do that.

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You're going to send it to a textbook company.

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You're going to send it to a buddy of yours who's decided to play that risk.

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You're going to try to sell it on eBay where they're a little bit more forgiving

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there and speaking at eBay, eBay does have barrows, which are verified rights

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owner thing like, you know, I'm the owner and I do not verify this is real.

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You can get a couple of those before they asked to show you the door

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with security and all that.

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And so, but it can still happen on eBay if you do it enough, if you get four or

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five of them back to back, ooh, that's a bad time.

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Sometimes it's just a cease and desist.

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Like, you know, just take your listings down.

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Other times it's like, Nope, you're gone.

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Bye.

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You see a little bit more prevalent in clothes because clothes are

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counterfeit or just like books.

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But I've taken a look at the Vero list.

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There are book publishers on that list.

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So if you're selling books, textbooks on eBay, you may want to take a look at that

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list, just saying, I had to tell people to like, you know, that book's real, right?

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Like you went to the local bookstore and bought it, or you even went into like the

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the Cengage bookstore, if they had one and literally bought it, they don't care.

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Nope.

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It is not their responsibility to care about you.

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They're protecting the rights.

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That's what they get paid to do.

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They're on retainer to do.

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And guess what?

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Amazon has to protect themselves as well.

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So you might think Amazon's a big bad wolf.

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Well, they don't want the liability of selling counterfeit goods because then

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it falls onto them, right?

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Like does eBay require you to get insurance at any single point in your

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business like Amazon does?

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Not how you think, but if you're selling high ticket items, it has to go through

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that eBay vault thing, like with shoes and stuff, like I think it's like

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$2,500, maybe $5,000 in value.

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And eBay is wanting to verify that.

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However, the verification program, they will, if it fails their verification,

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bad things happen.

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So you got to be careful what you're actually sending in to these people to

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get verified.

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It's not like they're verified.

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Well, people think of it as they're going to authenticate it for you.

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And no, well, yes, they are.

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But they will give you a naughty warning.

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Don't send us counterfeit stuff again.

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But bad things can happen to your account too, if you're just sending them

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like boxes of counterfeit stuff too.

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So, but again, eBay is a little bit more forgiving than I think Amazon is.

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Oh yeah, dude.

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That doesn't even close.

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Right.

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At least with eBay, you have a chance to talk to a human, even if it's

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through a chat program.

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Amazon, I feel like it's bodied ties, like all the robots are making all the

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decisions, no human beings making the decisions.

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I don't think I could be wrong on that.

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It's like, I think about it this way.

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When, when like you're investing and like, they're like, what kind of

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portfolio do you want risky, little risky, moderate risk, low risk.

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So Amazon has theirs turned up all the way to low risk.

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They don't want to take any chances on their brand being sued or liable for

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anything.

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So what I was kind of talking about earlier was when you start to see

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what I was kind of talking about earlier was when you sell, once you do

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10 K and sales a month on Amazon, they require you to get insurance that is

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verified and uploaded into Amazon seller central.

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So there's no ways around it.

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You can't skirt this.

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It's because if something happens, some kid chokes on the book, Johnny sent in.

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You have some type of insurance to be able to settle that because Amazon is not

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going to take responsibility.

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So there, I think Amazon plays it super safe and I don't think they're wrong

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for doing this and sure it sucks because every once in a while, somebody does

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get in one of these situations where, you know, they're innocent.

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I'm innocent.

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Well, in Amazon land, you're guilty until proven innocent.

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It's not the other way around, but it's just a part of the ecosystem because

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there's so many people selling on their platform for every person that's doing

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it right.

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Like there's somebody selling the 1980 book set as brand new.

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When you know there ain't no shot that is brand new, even if it's been sitting

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in somewhere where the temperature, like a wine seller, it's a perfect temperature

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and humidity for books, it is still not brand new and maybe they should do more

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to kind of not allow sellers to do that.

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Right.

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Like, cause the argument is, well, why would they let me sell it if I

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couldn't sell it?

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Right.

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Like that's the first thing you get from people that get one of these

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situations is, well, why did they let me send it in if I couldn't do it?

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Well, it's not their responsibility to hold your hand through every little

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step of every little process.

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And speaking of the insurance, when I first had to sign up for it, I had a

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warped sense of humor when filling out the registration, I just imagined, what

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is the scenario where a book kills a human and final destination just went

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through my head, like throw up on the ladder.

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They're trying to put it up on the top shelf.

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You see the bottom screw of the bottom leg of the ladder start to slowly undo

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because of the weight distribution on the ladder, then it's, and then they

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slip and fall and they impale themselves in the eye with the corner of the book.

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And they're dead.

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This is why I need insurance.

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I've decided it's, and they actually check it.

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Like they actually run it through consistently.

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So like you have to actually have valid insurance.

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eBay does not require sellers to have business insurance.

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So, um, that's, it's just a different ball game on Amazon.

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And I don't want it to turn, you know, people away from selling on the

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platform, right?

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Cause it's changed my life.

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If my, if my business existed on eBay, it would be a whole lot different.

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Maybe it'd be better.

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It'd probably be worse if I had to just take against it.

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Probably be a lot worse just because I know the workload that goes into eBay.

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I know the hours you have to put in the processes you have to build.

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So for me, it was 100% worth the risk.

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And for me, it's the reason I still probably mainly do social media and

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YouTube is to show people that you can do this for years and years.

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You can make a career out of this.

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As long as you're willing to mitigate your risk as much as you possibly can.

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That's all this comes down to.

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I want to be, I want to have the less riskiest portfolio out there on Amazon.

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So I don't get myself in one of these situations.

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Sure.

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If I do, there's ways you can get out of it, right?

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You can hire a lawyer.

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You can pay thousands of dollars to write a POA, SOPs, everything like that.

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So there is a way out.

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Some cases, as long as it's not like a flagrant violation of, you know,

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terms of service, you can get your way out.

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But most people that wind up in that situation, they don't know where to start.

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They don't have the capital to kind of get themselves out of it.

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And it's just, it's tough, man.

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And it is, you know, Johnny said it can be scary to think every day, one day

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you're here, the next day you're gone.

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But I mean, that's anything in life, right?

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Like you walk out and a bus comes out of nowhere, final destination style.

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And that's the end of the line for you.

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Right.

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I mean, and it's just where you go from there.

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And well, not in the death scenarios.

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Like if you come in and your, your SOL platform no longer wants you, well,

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you probably go out, sell on another platform.

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That's what most people do.

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Most of them just swing into eBay and they, they hate it.

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And they try to find something else they could do.

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But no, I mean, the airplay is to be made.

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And it sucks.

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It's like starting over essentially.

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Right.

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I mean, you may have the supply, you may have a pile of books or media in front of you.

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You can deal with, okay.

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Well, let me play the reselling row reseller roulette platform wheel.

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McCarrie let's go there.

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Fine.

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McCarrie doesn't work out when you try.

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Okay.

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Do the wheel again.

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Uh, Etsy.

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Okay.

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Let's go try Etsy.

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You try all these things.

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So you find something that works.

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Um, if your platform or choice gives you the, uh, your less than two week notice.

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Well, it gets no notice really.

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You're just gone.

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But, um, people realize this though, because that's normal jobs too, because most states

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are at will employers.

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So that means you can show up to work today and they can say, Hey, Johnny, I don't like

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that hat you're wearing.

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You're fired.

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And so you can do you're at the door.

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Yeah.

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We're going to need your lanyard.

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Um, you know, that company shirt you're wearing.

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Oh, and that cell phone.

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We're going to need that too.

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Um, fun story.

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We're going off the rails here.

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When I, uh, left CVS, we, it was around Halloween time and we had like those standing

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skeletons.

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So I, uh, I put my CVS shirt on and I pinned my name tag on them.

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So, uh, the skeleton had store manager Mike's name tag on them.

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Um, but yeah, like we, we think, oh, we saw one day here, one day you're, you're, you

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don't have a account anymore.

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It's the same with any other job.

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Right.

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So as long as you understand the risk, understand how to play the games.

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You can use this to your benefit.

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You can make a lot of money.

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You can prepare for the worst case scenario.

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You think I'm wonder, there's gotta be somebody out there and hopefully they somehow

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listen to this podcast and they reach out to me.

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00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,520
I want to talk to the reseller that's been banned on every single platform.

482
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:04,640
Oh man.

483
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,480
All of them.

484
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,360
I mean, I don't want to name names on the recording, but I got a short list of possible

485
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,920
people that have been banned on every platform.

486
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,160
I mean, every single platform.

487
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,080
And I just want to hear their, their reselling story and what got them jammed up.

488
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:24,960
I mean, when we had tech on, he talked about, you know, getting, getting his ban on

489
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,560
Amazon for a board game.

490
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,520
Dad, it's scary.

491
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,200
He's the most above board guy there is.

492
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,440
He takes zero risk.

493
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,120
That's what I'm saying.

494
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,520
Like, and he's like, yeah, I got the target receipt.

495
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,880
They don't care.

496
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:36,960
Right.

497
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,040
Like they don't care.

498
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:39,800
You can buy it from Amazon.

499
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,680
It's the brands that are cracking down on this type of stuff.

500
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,320
And their Amazon is always going to side with the brands because they don't want the

501
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,560
liability you wouldn't either, if you had a reselling platform, you wouldn't want

502
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,600
random dudes like me and Johnny selling your stuff, especially in used condition.

503
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,560
Who knows what type of condition people are sending stuff in because I've seen

504
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,440
TV shows like hoarders, I've seen plenty of resellers garages on YouTube.

505
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,640
They ain't the cleanest people.

506
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,120
All right.

507
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,000
I'm just saying no,

508
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,800
I like to roll around in my books before I box them up to Amazon.

509
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,640
Hey, all I'm saying is some of this stuff that probably winds up in these Amazon

510
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,160
warehouses, that's why they don't let you sell used clothing and use whatever,

511
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,560
because all of a sudden customers are getting, you know, fleas and everything

512
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,080
else, dude, it's a, you won't want somebody selling your stuff either, especially

513
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,000
if you didn't know who it was and if they were legit.

514
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:38,680
Yeah.

515
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:46,360
I mean, and I think it's interesting in the, the dis media side, like new sealed

516
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:50,680
with the security label and the Y fold things, those come up pretty more than

517
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,800
you think, honestly.

518
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,680
And it's like, well, I bought this from the flea market.

519
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,280
I know it's new.

520
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,200
It's still shrink wrapped with books.

521
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,120
They don't, they don't shrink wrap books for those who've never sold books before.

522
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,600
I mean, they do occasionally, but by and large, a new book is not shrink wrapped.

523
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Honestly. So it was like, is this new?

524
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,000
It looks new.

525
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,760
Looks never read before.

526
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:17,800
Do I send it in as new because I can get a $20 bill instead of a $10 bill.

527
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,760
So there's temptation there, even outside of textbooks.

528
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,400
It's like, I know where it got this from, but $20.

529
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,760
It's true, man.

530
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,720
It's there for the taking.

531
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,600
It's just how much risk do you want in your business?

532
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,960
You can sell it as new.

533
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,640
You can sell textbooks, sell every single one.

534
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,720
You can sell every book is new and they won't stop you from sending it in and selling it.

535
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,160
Right.

536
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,960
But the risk that comes with it, you have to ask yourself, do you want to make this a longterm play?

537
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,840
Do you want to continue making money or is those few new items or those few textbooks worth everything?

538
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:57,040
And for me, the answer every single time is no, a hundred percent of the time.

539
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,120
The answer is no.

540
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:04,520
My risk needs to be as minimal as it possibly can be because the majority of my income come from my

541
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,320
reselling business, which is Amazon.

542
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,960
I can't afford to just one day wake up and not have the account, especially for one single item, unless

543
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520
I'm getting 250 G's for it, which will never happen.

544
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:20,440
Then I mean, I'm passing every single time and it's not even, I don't even debate it anymore.

545
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:27,400
Like maybe when I first decided to stop selling textbooks, I'm like, I mean, this is like a 50, $60 book,

546
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,240
but we have ways, right?

547
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,720
Like you can sell it to another company that'll pay you in PayPal within the week for that item.

548
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Sure. You won't get the full $60, maybe only get 20 or 30, but you're still making money and they take the risk.

549
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,400
You're not taking it at all.

550
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Yeah, exactly.

551
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,600
Why, why, why risk everything?

552
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040
And then, um, what was I going to say?

553
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:56,720
The, uh, so, so the difference between new and used, I mean, we see the premiums, the new guys get, right?

554
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,200
I, I know those people that are on the new listing.

555
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,680
I see it a lot.

556
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,960
They're not new.

557
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,280
They're taking the risk.

558
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:04,760
And you know what?

559
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,120
I do think they are ultimately going to get burned in the end.

560
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,520
Because every year we see them get more and more strict.

561
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:21,120
And I think this year we've seen more, at least publicly stated section threes that that that's the, you need to prove what you're selling is legit violations that Amazon sends out.

562
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:28,080
I think we see more section threes this year, at least publicly verbalized the community than we've ever seen before.

563
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,680
So they're cracking down and I think that can only compound as the years go on.

564
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,840
Honestly, there's only so many warehouses.

565
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,200
They want legitimate things in their warehouses.

566
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:38,920
Honestly.

567
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:45,360
Yeah, they're moving, we're moving towards a world where, um, the brands are more protective than they've ever been.

568
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:52,680
They don't want, uh, you know, stolen merchandise being sold, fake merchandise being sold, and you really can't blame them at the end of the day.

569
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Right.

570
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,480
If they called me out for an invoice right here tomorrow, I'd be like, well, I don't got it.

571
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000
I buy from here and there and everywhere.

572
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,400
Right.

573
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:16,640
Um, so probably as my career goes on in Amazon, I need to protect myself a bit more in that at all honesty, because I do think they're cranking up the violations and my number will get called one day.

574
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,720
It's not if it's when I think everybody's going to have a win moment as time goes on.

575
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:22,760
Yeah, for sure.

576
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,000
All right. We're going to wrap it up here.

577
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,680
Can you get banned for one stupid item on Amazon?

578
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:27,480
Yes.

579
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,680
Are there ways you can kind of mitigate that risk?

580
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600
100% will you ever be 100% safe?

581
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,040
No, but this is a part of it.

582
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440
I mean, John even said on eBay, it's the same thing.

583
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,040
You understand what your risk tolerance is, regardless of what other people are doing.

584
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:49,480
I can't say that enough, just because you see Joe blow selling Nike, selling textbooks doesn't mean it's a okay for you to do it.

585
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,280
You don't know what kind of supplier they have.

586
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,600
You don't know what kind of invoices they have, what kind of bankroll they have if they do have to hire a lawyer.

587
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320
So just keep that in the back of your mind.

588
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,600
We're going to do it for this week's episode.

589
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:27,880
We'll talk to you all next week.