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USA plays Iran today. It is also National Cream Pie Day.

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National Cream Pie Day.

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Gotta go get me a slice. Oh, lemon. My bad. Lemon cream pie.

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You just said National Cream Pie Day.

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National Cream Pie Day.

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Yeah, we're gonna have to go ahead and just...

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We'll just let that one ride.

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Oh, no, that's so great. That's gotta stay.

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That's so great.

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Welcome, welcome, welcome back. Another episode of Value Nation.

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Big shout out to Big Blue Nation on a huge victory last week.

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Oh, yes.

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Got to get this started off like that.

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Anyways, moving on past that subject.

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Go Big Blue.

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Not even a fan, but just had to do it.

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Love seeing Ohio State Blues.

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Only because our boss is an Ohio State fan.

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Sucker.

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Big shout out, but welcome back. Welcome back, Value Nation.

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I'm here at you again for some wonderful market news

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that we're gonna talk about.

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You know, Chiefs victory Tuesday.

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What day is today? USA plays today.

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USA plays Iran today.

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It is also National Cream Pie Day.

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National Cream...

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National Lemon Cream Pie Day.

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Oh, no, that's so great. That's gotta stay.

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That's so great.

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My intro sucked, but that just saved it.

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It saved it.

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Oh, my God. My intro sucked so bad.

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Like, I know you don't pay attention to Chiefs news, but...

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Oh, I do. Mahomes just had his little baby boy.

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Yeah, the prodigy's been bored.

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It's like the scene from The Lion King right now

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where everybody's holding the baby up on Pride Rock.

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He in three, baby.

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Pride Rock.

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Did you see that, like, super, like, studded out...

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What's his middle name?

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Bronze.

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Bronze, yeah.

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They got him, like, some diamond studded necklace

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that the kid's never gonna be able to wear.

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Probably say he's at least, like, he's never gonna be able to hold his head up.

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It's the prodigy, man.

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It's gonna take a minute.

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It's the third edition, the third Patrick Mahomes.

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Is it really?

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Yeah, yeah, because he's a junior.

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His dad was senior, and his dad was a relief pitcher in Major League Baseball.

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Right.

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And then he went football, so we'll see where the young prodigy goes.

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But the reason I said the Chiefs' News is...

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So, Willie Gay is one of our starting linebackers,

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and he had, like, a domestic dispute last year,

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and nothing ended up happening.

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Like, he got in an argument with, like, baby mama or...

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I don't think it was wife, but he got, like, super mad

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and was like, get mad and broke a vacuum cleaner.

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She called the cops, but...

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Was it a gas-powered vacuum cleaner?

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Ha-ha! Bring it in, bring it in!

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Oh, my God.

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I don't know if it was nice, but...

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So, like, no files or anything as far as, like, he didn't touch her.

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He didn't do... He took his anger out on the vacuum cleaner.

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He got a four-game suspension for that.

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What?

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For breaking a Hoover vacuum?

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And, you know, the cops getting involved, domestic dispute stuff,

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but with everything that's going on with Sean Wasey,

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he gets 11 games, and he got four.

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Like, where's...

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Oh, there's honestly... There's no rhyme or reason.

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There really isn't, in the last...

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If you look at it over the last couple years, yeah, it's pretty bad.

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I mean, what's his name from Atlanta?

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The wider receiver got suspended for the season for gambling on his team.

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Calvin Ridley. Calvin Ridley.

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I mean, we're talking about gambling.

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We're not talking about the very questionable, you know, ear-muffet Jordan,

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you know, questionable actions of Sean Watson and all his assuicents.

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I mean, we'll look at P. Rose.

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Oh, yeah. He's a...

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He could talk on whole segments on that, I guess.

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And then... Is that a Mike's Heart Limit?

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Um, actually, no. And I don't know why I should be...

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It's actually... Oh, why is it blurred out?

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Copyright infringement.

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Hey, you know what we got to do? We'll tag the rock.

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You're like, hey, look at... Zoa, I'm here for you.

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Oh, is that one of his million brains he has? Yeah.

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Dude, it's so good.

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So we could bust into market news, like, what's today's...

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What's today's mortgage rate? 7.5%.

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Oh, God. All right. Let me see.

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What is today's mortgage rate?

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We should just bust in with what the 30-day fixed is every episode to start off.

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It is... That sounds like a terrible idea.

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People are going to cry over that.

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I'm kidding. I never know how to look it up,

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because, like, I go to Bankrate, I go to other places,

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but, you know, like, they're all different.

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Every lender's a little different. Like, what is the actual...

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What do you use to... Do you look it up? You actually...

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Yeah, I'm looking it up right now.

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Usually. We'll see.

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Today's 30-year fixed...

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30-year fixed rate mortgage rate today.

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Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.

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More like dun-dun-dun-dun.

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Today's magic number is...

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6.81, dropping finally below 7%.

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Look, I mean, it's great,

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and it also really hurts the potential home buyers, obviously.

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But... And but why?

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I mean, you made a good point.

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Is it a good time to buy? Sure, there's not a lot of competition,

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not a lot of people are really wanting to take on that mortgage payment.

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That, you know, because it's more, right? It's a lot more.

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Those rates are so high that it decreased the buying power for a lot of people.

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Yeah, because also rates fluctuate based on your credit score as well, right?

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Like, so that 6.8 points...

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Yeah, down payment, all those kinds of things come into play, right?

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740 and over is where you're going to get that premium rate.

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The rate changes some points and so forth.

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So, yeah, it does affect.

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If you go out and look, homes aren't...

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$40,000 over list price.

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to pay over appraisal and which helped drive up the home values.

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Now, things are kind of flattening out

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and you're able to buy a home at list price

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and even get seller concessions where you can get closing costs paid for.

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because your interest rate is two points higher than what it was,

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two and a half, three points higher than what it was.

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I guess in some cases, four. It was down to two.

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Yeah, down to two.

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Yeah, if you have the pristine credit score, you can get something.

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But so, yeah, it is a difference of a couple hundred dollars a month.

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But would you rather pay $40,000 out of your pocket right now,

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the second you're buying the house,

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or save that 40 grand upfront,

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an additional $200 a month on your mortgage payment

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and then rates will eventually correct themselves a little bit

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and when they get back down to the fours and the fives, you refinance

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and then it's done. You saved yourself that.

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You spent $40,000.

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Yes, and then if you got the cash, some cash,

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and you can support that higher payment, right?

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Because there was a great example that's out there right now

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and they probably just use it for round numbers,

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but like a $400,000 house, right?

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30-year fixed.

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What was it? What you could get it for two years ago versus today

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because of the rate, just rate alone, right?

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All things equal, like down payment, PMI, everything like that.

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They were talking about it being at $1,000 more today per month

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for a $400,000 out.

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Because of the interest rate.

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Because of the interest rate versus last year, right?

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Man, a grand, an extra grand, that changes the game for a lot of people.

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It does, but you could still go with,

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if we're basing on the same thing, so say that house was listed at $400,000.

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Right now, you could buy that house for $400,000.

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If not, maybe slightly below and get

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5% help on your close cost.

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So you could get maybe $1,250 to help you, $1,500 to help you.

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And there's a lot of the first time home buyer credits

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and a lot of those other things that can come into play, right?

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To help lessen the blow.

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Man, that's a...

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that same $400,000 house when the market was insane

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and everybody was trying to buy,

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you may end up having to pay $440,000 for that $400,000 house

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because you're going to have to pay $40,000 out of pocket,

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over listing price, over appraised value to buy that house.

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So then how many months is it going to take?

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So that's three and a half years or so of that extra thousand to equal

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the $40,000 you had to pay upfront to move that house in addition.

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in a real tricky situation, right?

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Because of the last couple of years and the way home values went.

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And who are they going to point the finger at?

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I mean, like obviously us and appraisers

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because we were the ones that handed over the appraisals at the values.

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But to your point, there's a lot of those guys,

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a lot of those borrowers that came out of pocket and even more.

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Like one great example I have from last year was in,

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I think it was Marlton, New Jersey.

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It was a very like average like home, not like a starter home,

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but I think it was like, I don't know,

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2500 square feet, 3000 square feet.

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There wasn't anything really spectacular,

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but this family really, really wanted to be there.

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And they really wanted to be in this school district.

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Yeah, a home speaks to you.

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Sometimes there's that feeling of when you walk into a home

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and it kind of speaks to you.

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Yeah. I mean, I think we've all had that experience once or twice, right?

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And whether you can really pull the trigger on it or not is a different story.

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But these people, they got the appraisal done,

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they came in like just over the list price.

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And then they got into a bidding war.

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And then these guys paid $150,000 cash over asking price.

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Stop it.

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The LO came back to me like a week later.

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He goes, you're not going to believe this.

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He goes, they got into a bidding war and this guy pulled out 150k cash.

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Stop it.

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And I'm like, and then he wanted to come back.

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He's like, he's planning to come back and maybe refi.

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Like, hey, we're going to end up in a whole world of problems.

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You need to tell your borrower that he's, A, insane.

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And B, he's going to need to sit on this for a minute to see what happens.

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Because even the appraiser, like we had, we engaged the appraiser again,

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just say, hey, hypothetically.

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The appraiser doesn't want to touch.

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He's like, no, I'm good.

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Yeah, well, it's like, there's no, there's no worldly way I could hit this appraised value

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billion whatsoever.

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And like, to be fair, that did happen a lot.

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Like, everybody was aware.

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150k was the biggest number I saw in the last two years, right?

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That's a big one.

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You're right.

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Like, you're hitting it like 30, maybe 30 and 50, I think was, we saw a lot of.

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It was common.

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Like, that's something that used to be uncommon, but that became common in certain markets.

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Obviously, it's all based on percentages, you know.

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Yeah, like around me, like the Northern Virginia market.

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Forward of 500,000 houses.

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You wouldn't bat an eye seeing 40,000.

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Like, let's take now that game changes at 200,000 houses.

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Obviously, it's all relative to the starting point, right?

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Portland area, you were seeing stuff going crazy high.

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Well, so yeah, there's some stats out there about, specifically about the West Coast

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and the values and how they skyrocketed, right?

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Over the last couple of years, some major Metro areas, you know,

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whether it's Cali, the Northwest was another one.

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Utah was another one.

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And then obviously, Texas, because they always have, there's always a surge in like Austin,

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for instance.

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Yeah.

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Those markets, there was like top 10 markets.

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They were all West Coast that increased the most year over year in like this median sales price.

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You know, upwards of like somewhere like 15% higher than pre-COVID.

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Like it was insane, insane.

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And now they're starting to, now with the rates as they are and people not wanting to sell their homes,

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like we're starting to see the correction, right?

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So this is where we're getting at.

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Values are going to have to come back down and normalize or, you know, the median sales price is going to normalize.

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Normalize.

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I think our old normal of what we're used to is never going to come back as far as home value.

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I agree with you.

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Like, I feel like a lot of people, like if you've been in the housing game for a while or owned your house for 10 plus years,

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and like what you come to think your neighborhood is worth,

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like the kind of range of homes in your neighborhood,

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that value that's stuck in your head from five, 10 years ago, I think it's long gone.

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I don't think it ever went down that far.

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Well, no, and there's a lot of emotion in it too, when it's yours, you know?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Everybody always thinks their home is worth more than what it is.

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It's your home, right?

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Yeah.

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But I'm just talking about, I just still can't get, for my example, like say I live in nothing special,

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just, you know, a track home.

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In my mind, the values in this neighborhood, what they are compared to like what is still stuck in my brain,

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to what I think these homes are worth, I still can't make sense of it.

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I don't think it's ever going to drop back down to where my brain locks them in at.

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So I'll give you an example.

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I pulled up some data.

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Oh, data time!

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We actually have, is this our first facts?

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Fun facts, fun facts, my valuation?

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Fun facts, valuation.

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Hashtag.

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Okay. So March of 2020 to June of 2022.

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Take a wild guess as to how much the median home price increased.

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So from the very beginning of COVID.

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Start of COVID to this summer.

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To this summer. Oh my gosh.

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Like a realistic guess or a for shock value guess?

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Realistic guess, I'd say like 18% or so.

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18%?

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Yeah.

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That's pretty conservative, my friend.

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So.

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25%.

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25%. Okay. You're still short.

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What?

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Yeah. Yeah. This is going to blow your mind.

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All right. 47% increase.

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47% across the country.

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Now that's, that's median across the country, right?

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So we're talking like 280k up to like 413, 414, something like that.

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200k up to five.

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That's nuts.

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So now.

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Oh no, 47%.

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47, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we're talking about the corrections, right?

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So looking at MBA stats from last month, from September to October, the end of October.

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And we're going to have the new ones, I guess, for November, like later this week or next week.

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It's already dropped.

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The median's already dropped down to 379 across the country.

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So we're starting at 413.

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Now we're down to 379.

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Yeah. So yeah, so we're getting there.

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Like there's some, there's some of the chief economists, you know, the guys that are way

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smarter than us.

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They were just because they pay attention to the econ class.

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Econ class is horrible.

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This is like Mike Moore.

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He's just that econ guy.

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Oh my gosh.

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He just, he can go.

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Okay.

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He can go.

339
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He could go for it.

340
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Yeah. So like some of them are super crazy in their, in their projections.

341
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Talking about like maybe a 15 to 20% correction across the country.

342
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That's huge.

343
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That's a big correction, but it kind of goes back to my earlier point.

344
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We're never going to get back down to that baseline zero.

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Let me get to it went up 47, 48% and corrects 20%.

346
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I mean, it's still up 20 plus percent from what it was.

347
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The big market crash.

348
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I think we've said this multiple times on this show, but the big market crash is never going

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to happen.

350
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There's no, there's, there's enough things in place to, to prevent that.

351
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Right.

352
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Hopefully that's been the plan.

353
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That's why we're here.

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Hopefully.

355
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Fingers crossed.

356
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Fingers crossed.

357
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But yeah, I mean, I would think, I would think that maybe a five to 10%

358
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correction is probably more realistic personally.

359
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But again, these guys, you know, they make way more money than us or so that you would

360
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think.

361
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I mean, they're out there spitting numbers, doing pie charts, pivot tables.

362
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You know how long it takes me to do a pivot table?

363
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Really?

364
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Like I just don't use them that often.

365
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Yeah.

366
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Yeah.

367
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I've gotten more and more.

368
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I love Excel.

369
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Excel is amazing.

370
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Oh, Excel is amazing.

371
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I was an accounting major, so I had to get, oh, so you're part of the problem.

372
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Yeah.

373
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I had to get very comfortable with Excel.

374
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Yeah.

375
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Fun fact.

376
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Did you finish with accounting major?

377
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You finished with an accounting major?

378
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Yeah, I'm a BSA.

379
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Okay.

380
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And I went to school long enough to where I didn't even need the bachelor's program

381
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to sit for the CPA.

382
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I had so many college credit hours.

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Six years.

384
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Because I did two years of community college, didn't really know what I wanted to do.

385
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Then went to UMKC to go get the, let's go Roos, kangaroos, baby.

386
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And kind of started as a business admin and took a couple of the basic level accounting

387
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classes, talked to a professor, kind of tried mentoring me.

388
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They're like, hey, you seem to get this much more focused career than just business admin.

389
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And so then I switched over to that.

390
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And so then that was extremely difficult and probably one of the worst decisions I've ever

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made in my life.

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It was so hard.

393
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Like my brain does not work.

394
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And I am a numbers guy.

395
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I am a numbers guy. Accounting is not numbers focused.

396
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Accounting is general principles, guidelines, and how you use those differently.

397
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It's not numbers.

398
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I mean, yes, numbers are involved, but it's more rules, guidelines, how you apply this,

399
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where you could apply that.

400
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There's different ways to do it.

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It's just whichever one you choose.

402
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You have to be consistent with what method of accounting you're using.

403
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It was not for me.

404
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It did not work for my brain.

405
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It was a little more abstract than I thought it would be.

406
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I'm an engineer's brain.

407
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I should have followed in dad's footsteps and gone engineering.

408
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What kind of engineer?

409
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He was a civil engineer.

410
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He was on bulk material and handling.

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He did moving coal and coal fire power plants.

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He worked a lot internationally, obviously, because the US hates coal.

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But yeah, he would design the system on getting the coal from,

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like if it was from the barge or ship, how to get it from the water to the power plant,

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or if it was coming out of a mine, how to transport it from the mine to the power plant.

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Oh, there you go.

417
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No, he did some pretty cool stuff.

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He got to travel the world, didn't he?

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That's pretty cool.

420
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Yeah, no, he didn't put coal.

421
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It's pretty cool.

422
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He would spend a little bit of time in Mother Russia?

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No, surprisingly.

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The ones that come to mind, like Indonesia, Philippines, Hong Kong, South Africa,

425
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those were like the big jobs I remember, because some jobs would be gone for two and a half years.

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The Philippines?

427
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Wait, did you say two and a half years?

428
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Yeah, Ricky.

429
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Did you get to go visit?

430
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Man, this is still a sore subject.

431
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My father had sole custody of me and my sisters.

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Visitation for the mom.

433
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When I was like eight or nine, so my sisters would have been like 11, 12.

434
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He got offered a gig in Thailand.

435
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It was going to be a minimum six-month job, move there.

436
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He had it all set up and he was going to take my sisters and I to Thailand, live there,

437
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six months minimum, probably was going to end up being a year, go to international school.

438
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You know how cool of an opportunity and experience that would have been?

439
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Oh, yeah.

440
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I was like in sixth grade, but it got shot down.

441
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I think my mom stepped in and went and moored up and was like, no,

442
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that would have been so freaking cool.

443
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Come on, mom.

444
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I know, man.

445
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So I've never done really any international traveling.

446
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I'm boring, man.

447
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Most I've done is the British Virgin Islands.

448
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That's it for me.

449
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I mean, I've gotten to use the passport once, British Virgin Islands.

450
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Those stamps, man.

451
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I know.

452
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I haven't even gone to Mexico.

453
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Like everybody's gone to Mexico.

454
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Everybody's gone to Mexico.

455
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You got to go to the VR.

456
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We did VR last year.

457
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I heard the DR is pretty fun.

458
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It is fun.

459
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Yeah, but I can't really afford any of it right now.

460
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But you know what people can afford right now if they're taking advantage of the equity

461
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in their house is they can afford to do some home renovations to keep that house

462
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from climbing down just not quite as far as the percentage is dropping.

463
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Right.

464
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Let's talk about

465
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who decorated your tree because that does not look like you.

466
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I don't think you did that.

467
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Yeah.

468
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No.

469
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So the ribbon.

470
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Yeah, I did the ribbon.

471
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So Grace, my daughter always she does the ornaments.

472
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Like that's her job.

473
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And this is actually a new tree this year.

474
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I finally got a pretty good tree.

475
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Oh my gosh.

476
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I finally got it.

477
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:54,480
You didn't cut it down.

478
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Man, I had.

479
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Yeah, no, I'm sorry.

480
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But I have strung the lights every year for like the past six years.

481
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And like I've seen it.

482
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I've seen it.

483
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I've strung the lights every year for like the past six years and like I was like, screw

484
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this. I'm getting a pre-lay.

485
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So yeah, I did.

486
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I put the tree together.

487
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I did the ribbon and then she comes after the ribbons on and does it.

488
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Does the other ornaments.

489
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Look at you.

490
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The Martha Stewart touch.

491
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I'm a see you got the Patty Mahomes right here, man.

492
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:20,880
Yeah.

493
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,320
Is that a is that the Chuck E.

494
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,560
Cheese Mouse next to that is a terrible rendition of Casey Wolf.

495
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She's got.

496
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,040
Yeah, this is this is that's the Chuck E.

497
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Cheese Mouse.

498
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,320
This is a I think Grace made this actually.

499
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,200
My daughter, I think it does kind of look like a Chuck E.

500
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Cheese guy.

501
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,480
OK, so Grace, if you're listening, I know you are because you love your dad.

502
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It's a great job.

503
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,680
Yeah, you did great.

504
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,560
It was years ago.

505
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,080
She managed got braces today.

506
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,800
Big day.

507
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,200
Big day.

508
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Yeah.

509
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,200
Grace Braceface.

510
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,480
Don't do that.

511
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,160
What kind of dad are you?

512
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:56,480
Come on.

513
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,280
So mouthful.

514
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,080
The Eddars she she got she got a braces on this morning.

515
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:02,800
Can you see this?

516
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,040
I need to get some braces.

517
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,640
That looks great.

518
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,080
Now you did that yourself.

519
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,960
It's all blurry.

520
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,200
Yeah, I'm going to I'll text it to you.

521
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,080
It's pretty fabulous.

522
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,640
I'm not going to lie.

523
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,080
It's like a nine footer.

524
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,640
Oh, nice.

525
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,480
Got in there with saw.

526
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,040
Cut it down.

527
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,400
Let London cut it down.

528
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,200
Oh, yeah, you go natural.

529
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,000
I forgot about that.

530
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,440
All natural.

531
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,960
All natural.

532
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:27,920
Yep.

533
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,320
It's an experience.

534
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,360
So she got to cut it down.

535
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,120
She got in there with the saw herself.

536
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:33,600
Yeah.

537
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,240
Yeah.

538
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,600
The last couple of years.

539
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,320
Yeah, it's been fun.

540
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280
We've been doing it since she was like she was four.

541
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,040
So, you know, seven, six, seven years.

542
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,120
So it's a running tradition now.

543
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:46,240
I'd like to go natural.

544
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,040
There's something to be said.

545
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:47,520
The smell.

546
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,120
It just it is it is cool.

547
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,200
We used to when I was a kid, we always did natural.

548
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,080
My dad always took his table to the tree.

549
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,360
But I'd like to go nine foot, but the stupid ceiling has a slant.

550
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:02,960
Like this is the best spot in my little living room here for this tree.

551
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,320
Like everywhere else would look stupid.

552
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,160
And like the ceiling slants down the corner.

553
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,760
And so like seven and a half foot's the limit.

554
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,320
I can't go.

555
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,920
I can't go above seven and a half.

556
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,280
If I want to put a topper on there.

557
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,320
I got a little angel up there.

558
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:14,560
Oh, I got to have the topper.

559
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,440
Yeah, yeah, you got to.

560
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,800
So I should do this.

561
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,160
You should blow out that roof.

562
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:18,880
Blow out that roof.

563
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,800
Put a put a nice skylight in there.

564
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:21,840
Go Clark Griswold on.

565
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,120
Go Clark Griswold with it.

566
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,240
Man, such a good movie.

567
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,280
He's such he's my hero.

568
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,600
Have you seen have you seen the new Ryan Reynolds deal on Netflix?

569
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,880
Oh, yeah, that's good.

570
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,560
Or on Apple or.

571
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,680
I think it's Apple Plus.

572
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,400
Good afternoon.

573
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,880
There's probably a hidden fee there, too.

574
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,760
Don't worry.

575
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,640
Good afternoon.

576
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,200
I'll get you.

577
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,000
That's my that's my new greeting to people.

578
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,720
It's good afternoon.

579
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,640
Just good afternoon.

580
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,240
Yeah, you'll have to watch it to realize.

581
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,960
It's I thought it didn't come out yet.

582
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,640
Oh, it came out like yet this week, didn't it?

583
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,680
Great.

584
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,160
Yeah, great.

585
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,480
And I watched it last week, so it's out.

586
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,120
Oh, last week.

587
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,160
OK, it's a musical, which I did not see that coming.

588
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,000
Will Ferrell.

589
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,760
It's a musical and will Ferrell ride rails.

590
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,120
But I guess like they say that back in the day,

591
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,320
in the days of original Scrooge,

592
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,160
good afternoon meant the equivalent to, you know, FU.

593
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,000
It's so we're at the Cheesecake tailgating.

594
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,640
This is great.

595
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960
So Grace is like a goody two shoes.

596
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,120
She is scared to cuss.

597
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,400
She is scared to like say bad words like she just doesn't do it,

598
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,920
which is a good thing, right?

599
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,480
She is like a super innocent kid.

600
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,960
And so it's funny when like we're all getting together

601
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,320
and she comes to the Chiefs game with us.

602
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,320
We're tailgating like we're like Grace, say, say, say,

603
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
and like you can see like every bone in her body,

604
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,720
like thanks all the courage to spit it out.

605
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520
I was talking trash to her during our game of bags.

606
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,240
We were playing bags.

607
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,480
So like I kept talking trash and she was playing like crap.

608
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,120
And she just looks at me and goes, Dad, good afternoon.

609
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,520
It's like, oh my God, I can't believe you remember that.

610
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,720
It came out of nowhere.

611
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,440
It was so good.

612
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,240
It was classic.

613
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,000
But she said it was like such anger.

614
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:04,480
Oh, yeah.

615
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,120
She did not mean good afternoon.

616
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:09,680
I'll tell you that.

617
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,640
I'm talking about some innocence.

618
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,960
I took one into the night before Thanksgiving.

619
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320
We went to the Caps game and they played Philly in the night.

620
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,920
We played Philly in D.C.

621
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,960
And it's like a thing that like me and her have.

622
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,720
We're going to try and go to more games together,

623
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,080
like try to find something that me and her can relate to

624
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,720
on like on the same level, because in another couple of years,

625
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,720
it's going to be her and my wife.

626
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,760
They're going to be doing their thing.

627
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,920
And I'm going to need one thing.

628
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,720
I'll take the caps.

629
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,480
So she's in it, right?

630
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,000
You want to talk about innocence, sweet.

631
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,480
Like we're sitting there.

632
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,520
She goes, she's like, Dad, this is like our time, right?

633
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Like, yeah, yeah.

634
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,520
Why? What's up?

635
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,840
And she's like, well, OK, if I use I use the word damn.

636
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,480
She's whispering in a crowd of thirty five thousand people.

637
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,880
I'm like, yeah, I mean, well, we're here.

638
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,160
This will be the safe space.

639
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,360
Sure. Go ahead.

640
00:26:59,360 --> 00:26:59,920
Have at it.

641
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,160
And she didn't abuse it.

642
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,600
She waited, waited the right time.

643
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,160
And caps loud goals.

644
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,520
She looks out a little damn.

645
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,480
Yeah, she's like, damn.

646
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,840
It's like she stayed under her breath still.

647
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,320
Right. And then Ovechkin put some guy into the boards.

648
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,600
The guy like fell limp.

649
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,800
She's oh, damn.

650
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:19,840
Yes.

651
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,440
You see my 10 year old get so like into it and use it completely correct the entire time.

652
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,080
It was great.

653
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,040
So she used it like she's like five or 10 times.

654
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,280
And then I think she was like she was out of her system.

655
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:38,480
But meanwhile, like all the Philly fans that were sitting around us were yelling every

656
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,120
possible obscenity because they ended up losing an OT.

657
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:42,880
It was a cool game.

658
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,920
I never seen it over time.

659
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,680
I came, but we go like sudden death and play like three on three.

660
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,720
Yeah, it's like three or four and four and then.

661
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,320
Well, three is four on four with the goalie.

662
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,920
But yeah, it's sudden death.

663
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,960
You have five minutes.

664
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,080
And then that doesn't happen.

665
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,200
It goes to it's like playing.

666
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,000
It's like playing like.

667
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,240
When Gretzky hockey, one of the greatest games ever.

668
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,120
Oh, yeah.

669
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,080
Wayne Gretzky hockey on in 64 was three on three.

670
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,320
That game is hands down one of the best video games.

671
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,840
And you could light people up on that game.

672
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Oh, so it was fun.

673
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,840
And that's what they did.

674
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,880
Like it was super cool.

675
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720
They scored the game winner right in front of us.

676
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:20,640
The place went crazy.

677
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,120
And I mean, it was a lot.

678
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,000
Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

679
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,040
So now she's like, she's like, Dad, can we get like season tickets or how does it work?

680
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,320
I'm like, oh, yeah.

681
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,000
I mean, you feel my pain.

682
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,880
Like, you know how that like.

683
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,320
You guys just want you guys won a Super Bowl recently.

684
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,240
So your tickets are probably higher anyways.

685
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Yeah, there was a premium the year after, but then like you always have to pay a premium

686
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,320
when you first sign up.

687
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,000
Like I had only one seat.

688
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,520
Like when we were won the Super Bowl, I just I just had a seat for myself.

689
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,640
And so then selfish for two seasons.

690
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Well, it's seen if I could afford it.

691
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Oh, yeah.

692
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Honestly, like we've just seen how it worked and like, you know, my schedule and stuff.

693
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,960
And so then kind of got a groove of it.

694
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,000
I added the second seat.

695
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,160
I had to pay a premium on that seat because it was a course after we won the Super Bowl.

696
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,960
And so then the next year, it drops down significantly into like the tier of the section here.

697
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,480
And so it goes from there.

698
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,960
I think how most organizations do it.

699
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,240
So is that it, man?

700
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Are we done?

701
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,120
We have anything else really to talk about today?

702
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,480
I mean, I think that's it.

703
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,480
We're getting the the red light, the white flags being raised by Jordan.

704
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,480
So the directors give us.

705
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,240
Give me you guys.

706
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,600
Guys are going too long.

707
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,720
You guys suck.

708
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Cut it down.

709
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,480
Cut it down.

710
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,920
Thank you, everybody, again, for joining us on another fantastic episode of value nation.

711
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,760
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