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This is Ryan Boulda. How's it going everybody? Got a lot to talk about today.
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Yeah, lots of stuff to go on. So I'm going to focus on social media a little bit. I've been kind of poking around asking questions, trying to do my own little bit of research.
More recently I had asked a question on social media that addresses like seeds versus clones, right?
See, we talk about cannabis a lot because we sell cannabis seeds and cannabis derived products. So this is kind of what that conversation was about.
It was interesting to see all of the responses and answers I've had. We had answers for seeds.
People concerned with preserving the genetics or reducing contamination, basically.
No outside issues from a different grower, supplier, whatever, starting from seed would be like the safest option.
Most stable option, probably more of an exotic option, I would say, from what I've feedback I've gotten.
People like the uniqueness of some of the strains that you can only get from, you know, by seed.
Just however, then we got clones. And clones is a very fast way to get a lot more plants really fast.
People do, they maintain a mother plant because generation of clones, you know, a clone being cloned from a clone, being cloned from a clone.
It starts to diminish the potency of the plant itself.
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Going to move forward with the main content of the day.
I'm going to do my interview with Jeffrey J. I'm not so certain he would, like me calling him a mycologist, however, he is a very experienced mushroom cultivator.
And he's got a lot of wisdom and knowledge to drop on us.
Don't usually do interviews and audio only. However, I am going to do it with him.
So Jeffrey, he lived, and he's going to explain this as well, but he lives in what they call a border town.
And I'm going to give some context to this. So for people to really understand it, you're going to visualization.
He lives off of a Native American protected reservation, what they call a border town.
Border town basically is where people from the reservation come to buy their stuff, go do whatever and then go back to the reservation.
Well, this is where he's at. He doesn't live on the reservation, but he is still very much attached to the reservation.
So I would like to know how did you get going in this direction, my friend?
I got into, I guess, this direction when I was advancing my addiction.
And I heard of someone selling some magic mushrooms and I wanted to escape this reality because I was miserable.
I was thinking it was like marijuana or cocaine or something like that. And then I felt love for what I feel was the first time in my life.
And that gave me all the hope I needed to just hang on in there for like 11 years.
And so between here and there, I started growing my own mushrooms.
And what I found really interesting, and especially for people who are in the recovery community, is people have found like a new purpose and even not even just growing mushrooms but consuming them.
So there's like growing mushrooms versus eating them or doing both. Sometimes you got to have both, right?
But I have to ask you, what exactly is it for you that has been more beneficial?
The consuming has definitely been more important.
I guess realizing there's mycophobe in America and even more so on the Navajo reservation, they have taboos saying that you'll have stuff, you'll go blind is the main one.
It's what they believe. And I guess that has to do with the spores.
There's a lot of puffballs that grow on the Chisholm Mountain on the reservation.
So I know puffballs can cause temporary blindness.
So I'm sure that I'm assuming that was the originator of the scare.
But I was just really into learning the mushroom stuff, but there was like no books at Barnes & Noble or Borders.
I was in Albuquerque, New Mexico at the time.
And there was really no books. There was at the gas pipe, this head shop, this where they sell, you know, glass pipe.
They were selling a $40 Paul Stamets, the mushroom cultivator.
And I saved up my money for several months because I had a grocery job and going to college for electronics.
But the scarcity of like even like going to like I was looking in college saying, oh, I want to be on my colleges, you know, doing this stuff.
There is no such thing. And that's why I said, I'm going to have to find it online.
Like I do everything. Everything's online. I couldn't wait for the internet to come along and it's all there for free.
Most definitely, most definitely is never been easier to get information.
Like where are you? Are you are you still located in the reservation?
I guess it's like a border town. So I did like for right now, like for instance, there's a I'm documenting the street people and they're all coming.
I mean, majority of them are coming from the nearby reservations. And it's just for the families that are looking for them.
And that's so the stuff that's going on on the reservation is prominent here as well.
But yeah, it's I was on the reservation that was so I'm talking about the Navajo reservation being up north from where I'm at.
And I grew I was born raised on the Zuni reservation because my father's Zuni my mom's Navajo.
Honestly, man, I'm I really want to learn more about the tribe. So tell me more about where is it located?
Like tell me more about it.
Yeah, there's it's like federally owned. So like there's different laws for Zuni and different laws for Navajo.
They have their own because they have their own government. But I guess it's like American ish.
Like there was trading post and chapter house, there's chapter houses that part of the government on the Navajo reservation.
And in in Zuni, it's just so tiny.
It doesn't even compare to the Navajo rest.
But the active mushroom scene is non existent. There was a dealer that came through and burned everyone with a that that weren't active at all.
And so there's this heavy stigma. So when I was growing and trying to share it, everybody was like, No, no, no, thanks.
It's probably a dead, you know, and then it was like, All right, more for me.
Because I was like, I was just trying to share my personal grow. And I never got I never became a dealer or anything like that.
Because it's like, I guess it's kind of like, Well, the street, you know, the get a girlfriend and then the girlfriend wants to burn me or, you know, you know, then, you know, go out and there's competition in and the competitors don't want.
You know, want to get rid of, you know, me as a competitor, and the stuff like that start, you know, is there in the street.
So that's what I definitely didn't want part in. And but I was going to like a meeting and giving out, you know, magic mushrooms and, you know, going to the my therapy session group therapy sessions and saying, Hey, you know, what do you think about magic mushrooms, you know, there's all this, you know, even scientific studies, you should try it out and the like,
you can kind of see this like reaction like, Whoa, like, that's that that bad, you know, illegal federal stuff, you know, federal crimes, you know, level stuff.
And then, but there, you know, then, you know, then they take it in there, you know, they have to like this. So the magic mushroom stuff brings out to me brings out the trauma from my past to face brings up feelings that I never knew existed.
And that I've been missing out on that, you know, a healthy human should, you know, enjoy so, you know, the good and the bad. And so it didn't yeah, so like good and the bad there's also some good trips and good experiences it feels like a reward.
So for me, it's like the best trip is when I go to an ego death, you know, where you're humble. And then we go down into the dark past, cry your eyes out so there's no more tears, and then life moves on from that.
And then you're like, it feels like the angels lift me up and reward me for facing my fears. And then I'm in like springtime, the spiritual plane where it's always spring there. And it's written in books.
But like astral dynamic is a book by Robert Bruce. He talks about springtime in that book.
Well, what I'm kind of trying to figure out now is how do I get to springtime? I mean, is springtime somewhere you go frequently, often intentionally? What is springtime?
Well, for me personally, I sometimes end up there. And this is like mega doses, like 10 grams, you know, on up, you know, you get really blasted out into somewhere out. But it's not really an escape. Definitely not an escape from myself, which is I guess, truly what I was trying to do when I was advancing my addiction.
Shamelessly, you know. Addiction sucks. Yeah. And like, there was a friend of mine in the AA meeting, and he's he was we were we were good. Our hearts were in the good place. But then he started to backslide and was asking me to come drink with him.
And then I ended up backsliding and joined him. And that was January 6 early this year. And, and I said, you know, here he wanted he says, you know that we I got to pick myself up. I had to make a bunch of money, you know, with your help, I'll just deal mushrooms and and and I'll be making it big time, you know, that there's always big money in dealing.
And I was like, okay, here's a picot jar of mushrooms and you know, it was already set, you know, it's already set. And it was like, you know, here, here you go.
Just this is already grown. It's already alive. Here you can have this and you can you can harvest it and sell it. What does he do he eats a bunch of it.
And he has an ego death. And he was just scared out of his wit from this mushroom stuff. And he was like, I can't believe you eat this, you know, like once a month, you know, and I said, man, it's healing.
It is really healing. And a lot of that stuff has to do, I think, you know, addiction as far as addiction, like a lot of things time went within your family, I think. And well, at least it did for me.
And mushrooms kind of allowed me mushroom medicine kind of allowed me to start forming some of those relationships with people and my family.
No, you know, my mom and dad, I suppose. And I'll never forget the first time I ate mushrooms, you know, I had a couple friends over and you know, we ate some mushrooms and we're laughing, it was all good.
But then they had to leave. And I was just stuck with myself. I'm upstairs in my room, thinking my parents are talking about me and they're like, Oh, yeah, we know he's definitely on mushrooms, blah, blah, blah.
He's an idiot, waste of a waste of a son. And, you know, I'm just thinking all that stuff that they know I ate these mushrooms.
Finally, I go downstairs and like, Mom, Dad, I know I did eat mushrooms. And like, I don't know what to do and kind of freaking out.
And my mom blessed her freaking heart. She came so comes over with these fuzzy socks and puts these fuzzy socks on my feet. And it was just like the one thing I was like that I would have never thought of me needing at that time.
I'm like, dude, I need these fuzzy socks. So I can definitely relate to that, you know, that aspect and even this a small way. But I guess my main point is that it is healing and it helps you form relationships, you know, with important people in your life.
And I think let's take that like my small story about the socks, right? I mean, I've remembered that my whole life and, you know, have relived it a couple times and I really felt my mom's genuine care in that moment.
She could have freaked out and yelled at me and all this stuff. But instead, she didn't really care about any of that. And it was just, you know, the only thing that was important was that I felt better and that I was okay.
And then, you know, that started having me look at my mom a little bit differently.
Yeah, being in the moment with them. Like, like, like the bad trip first is like dealing with my own crap that is making me crazy and lose control of my thoughts. I don't have a control of my emotions.
And then, and then I faced my fears and now I have more peace of mind. And then now with that peace of mind, I'm able to pay attention to somebody else besides me because I'm, you know, I'm narcissistic.
And then I, and then I'm healing from that. And then now I'm noticing like, you know, people like my mom and the tremendous unconditional love she's given me.
And, and, you know, when I first, you know, was tripping, she's like, oh, you know, I'm coming over. I'm going to come over and visit you.
And I was in Albuquerque. She had to travel like two and a half hours to come visit me. And, you know, what do I do? You know, I was like, man, I don't got, I don't got nothing.
I don't got no beer to, you know, stay buzz. I don't got no week to stay high. I guess I'll just take these mushrooms. And then I took it. And it wasn't like massive. I didn't even have, I didn't have any kind of visuals.
But I could feel it. And I was like, like, it was as if I had my mom under a microscope. And I had microscope eyes. And I was like, I was totally in the moment with her.
And that's, I think, when that was the beginning of our relationship. But, you know, like you're saying in them, I was just never in the moment with her.
You know, but I'm glad that, you know, in just like in a dough in a, I just grabbed a bunch of mushrooms and put it in my mouth. I didn't even measure it because I was just like, jonesing for something escape, you know, at that time I was so miserable.
I was already growing and eating my own. But there was a lot of healing that had to be done. And I was still early in that healing.
So let me get this straight a little bit. So your mom was coming over and you thought, damn, I just really need to eat a whole bunch of mushrooms right now to like deal with what's about to happen.
Is that what you're saying?
No, she was, she was coming over. You know, I'm going to come by visit surprise. I'm in town, you know, I'm on the outskirts of Albuquerque. I'm going to be over there in minutes.
And I'm like, I'm like, my, I drink my last beer, my buzz is going away. And I like, I can't be normal the way my mom will we say, what's wrong with just being normal.
And, you know, and I was like, because I miserable when I'm normal when I'm when I'm not when I'm not, you know, inebriated or, you know, under some kind of, you know, substance, but
And so I was always chasing that high. And so that's, you know, the only thing I had with the mushrooms and I was kind of like overwhelmed with how much it's blown me away in the past already.
But I'll just take a little dose. And it was, you know, I could still feel it. It wasn't a micro dose, but it was something, you know, a little bit extra. And that's, that was the, that was the situation I was in.
But lately, whenever there's a dispute, there's tension rising. For instance, when I, when my ex, when I, when I broke up with my ex, I had to go back and pick up, you know, important documents like my
Like my mushroom, you know, mushroom. And I say, you know, okay, I'm going to take, you know, you know, probably take, you know, this, this stem and maybe one other. And then, and I just even roll it.
I mean, but, but the thing is, it's better with like, pick like some kind of asset like lemon juice. It breaks down that breaks it down so that these are to digest some people have stomach problems.
I, I, I've not experienced that.
I have heard of the stomach issues thing. I definitely have heard that I actually just did a little bit of research lately on adaptogens on my last episode. So it's really interesting. And I don't, I'm not 100% certain if this applies to psilocybin mushrooms, but
There's like adaptogens that help your body, you know, it helps you adapt to things basically. And that's why it has its name. But the best thing I love about mushrooms is you find like these little glimpses of lessons and love and every moment that and
a normal state, I would say in a completely sober state, you look past and you know, maybe they're self made and you know, but I don't, I don't see the harm in it, you know, and it helps people cope. It helps people being a better day.
Like, why not?
There's a there's inspirations of love and I think that's why, like, when my friend was hell bent on advancing his, his alcoholism.
And on January 6, that was, you know, he was when he when he had that eagle death. It wasn't welcome. It was, it was, it was fearful for him because I think I mean he was it wasn't worth returning to because I personally know this is an assumption.
I don't know the facts. But when I was in his situation, you know, I, I didn't always heading the opposite direction than what the mushrooms were teaching.
And and what the mushrooms are showing like friends, what I mean by showing is like, they'll bring up the crap that I did wrong against the people that love me.
And you know, and I'll, and I'll be crying it out. You know, I'll heal from that. I'll see my wrong. And I know that I did it out of anger, because I felt that they made me sad.
And that sadness comes from the trauma from, you know, earlier in my life down to childhood, because there's like many trauma traumatic events.
I've met, I've met people who who just had one, and they're done, you know, and that's amazing.
Yeah, I got the job done. But a lot of people just aren't ready to peel back those layers yet.
But there's, you're like you're saying layers, and it just, there's just so much. And so I'm, you know, I'm glad that that trauma wants to get rid of that seat that trauma, you know, that caused the sadness that caused the anger that caused that that makes, you know,
that where I made bad decisions to like destroy, you know, my house with alcoholism and, you know, burn the bridges of trust with the people that love me.
You know, that that that seat is gone and healed from. And now there's more peace of mind. And now I can have more control of my thoughts and more control of my emotion.
Most definitely. Well, it definitely seems like you got a good head on your shoulders and you know, given the hand that you're dealt and trying to play and the in between kind of being, you know, modernized and then traditional.
It's really, I bet it's really difficult. But so are you where exactly is the reservation like closed off? Or can you go back? I guess it's my main question.
Oh, yeah, yeah. So like the reservations, they're not closed off or nothing. In fact, people do stuff. It's kind of funny. There's like witchcraft laws in Zuni.
And if you are caught, you know, practicing witchcraft, you're outed from the reservation and the police will arrest you on site if they see you try to come back on the reservation.
There's that kind of stuff that is, you know, that has to do with the border.
Years ago, and I know in New Mexico, like K o a T, you know, will report it even though it's not true. One year, Zuni had closed down that highway 53. And it's a highway that semi trucks use sometimes and they close highway 53 is Arizona where are you at?
Yeah, I'm in northern Arizona on the border, like border town, they call it and there's border towns. And so like people usually go there to, I mean, you know, to shop and get what they need supplies.
But then also there's the alcoholics that come and then they have a good time, I guess, in the downtown area. And then they then they go back to, you know, go back home.
Usually on the weekends or several weeks, but that's where I've been frequently going over there recently, but to just make just because I have a heart for them.
And but also I ran into some people that were looking for for their loved ones in the past.
But otherwise, the you can always leave the reservations, but it's just like, it's really hard. There's really no economy. It's just really, there's a lot of poverty.
There's sections that when you say poverty, do you mean like are these people suffering or this is like a complete by choice or just lack of money is that what you mean?
There's not a whole bunch of people out on the street, I guess is my main point.
It's not that bad. In fact, with I mean, it might be with I don't know, I can speak for a zoomie for sure, because that's where I was born and raised.
And there are young people like, see, I'm like, see, I was initiated into the zoomie Kiva system.
And then and so I'm kind of I can I relate to them so I can see it their way. The way I see it is like a close with it like a community.
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