1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Welcome back. This is your kind of well kind of toxic 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,000 coast Sarah Rittendale bringing you another episode of Well-ish. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Victoria Peltier, welcome to Well-ish. I am so excited to have you here. 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Thanks for having me, Sarah. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 So I'm just going to go ahead and let you introduce yourself. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Tell us who you are, what you're about. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Oh, how long do you have? 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 So I'm a like 20 plus year corporate executive. 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 I became COO at age 24. 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,000 So I've been kind of at this for a long time in the B2B professional 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 services space. Plus I've always built or bought businesses. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 So I've got this entrepreneurial spirit. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 And I'm a published author. 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,000 I sit on a few boards and I do a ton of public speaking. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I'm a mother, I'm a mother, I'm a parent, I'm a parent, 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,000 I'm a parent on the personal side. I'm a wife, a mother, 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000 fitness fanatic, love to travel, foodie and wine lover. 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Awesome. We got a few things in common there. 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,000 I am curious. Have you always been a highly motivated leader? 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Or is that something that's come later in life for you? 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Well, I, it wasn't the plan I thought that I had for myself laid out. 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 I was a senior in university. 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 But I ended up sort of working for a bank while I was in university 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 with intent to go to law school after my undergrad. 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 And then I got promoted up through the organization and I realized how 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 much I loved it. But I actually started working at 11. 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 So, you know, I'm from a socioeconomic perspective, 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,000 lower middle class, you know, my mom was a secretary, my data janitor. 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 So if I never had to worry about food or clothing, 30 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 but if I wanted anything beyond that, I needed to work. 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 And so I started working at a very, very early age became, you know, 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 the assistant manager of the shoe store I worked at at 14. 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 And so that was my foray into leadership. 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,000 And then as I progressed through the bank and got, you know, 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,000 promoted to higher and higher levels, realize like I really enjoyed it. 36 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 And a big part of what gave me joy was not just the complexity 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,000 and solving problems at work, but the part around leading people. 38 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,000 The evolution of me as a leader has changed pretty substantially 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 as what I thought I needed to be and how I needed to show up in my 20s 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 versus once I got into my 30s and beyond was very different. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Interesting. Okay. So then what was the driving force to make you 42 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 climb up the corporate ladder? 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:33,000 I started sharing the story pretty openly maybe 10 years ago or so. 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,000 And it's as I spent so much time doing coaching and mentoring 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,000 and speaking on bigger and bigger stages, 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,000 I realized I was doing a disservice to people by not telling them what I refer 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,000 to as my why. I've stolen that from Simon Sinek, his, you know, 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,000 viral TED Talk around start with why, but, and that's just that you need to 49 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,000 understand, I tell people sort of my origin story to understand why I'm so driven. 50 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,000 And so for me, that's, I was born to a drug addicted teenage mother who was 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 exceptionally abusive to me. And I was in and out of the, you know, 52 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,000 the child welfare system for a number of years and then fortunate to be 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 adopted by the parents that raised me. 54 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And at one point my mom said to me, and my mom is the woman that raised me. 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 And, you know, my mom said to me, I think I was 11 or 12, she's like, 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Tori, you need to do better than us. And she meant vocationally, socio 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,000 economically, but the reality is Sarah, no one needed to say those words to me 58 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:33,000 because I, in my DNA, I think it was, you know, I sort of recognized that I needed 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 to be better than my biology, Julie, the woman who birthed me. 60 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,000 And for several years, or the circumstance that I was raised in. 61 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 And so for me, I have this sort of mantra around being unstoppable. 62 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And that's just an incredible level of resilience. I don't let anyone tell me 63 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 no, I don't when obstacles come my way or challenges or adversity, 64 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,000 I find a way through around on top, whatever through them. 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:02,000 And so that's what's really driven me to be focused on having the kind of 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:07,000 career that I want and achieving, you know, very different levels of 67 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,000 success as I've defined them. And I say that because I think my children have this 68 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,000 view of what, because of my success, what I have expectations for them. 69 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 And I'm very clear, like you define what level of success is for you, but I knew 70 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 mine was going to be better than where I came from. 71 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Okay, interesting. That's awesome. I love your idea to instill in them that 72 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,000 your level of success can look different in whatever way you define it. 73 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:36,000 How does being intentional play a role for you here? How is it taking you this far? 74 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I often use a phrase around strategic intentionality. And that means 75 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,000 and all all fronts of my life, both personally and professionally and 76 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,000 then various elements when I think of professionally. So for me, you know, 77 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,000 intentionality has come with maybe not always where I got to like if you look at 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 my career path, it's maybe doesn't appear to be totally linear. Like there's 79 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:05,000 jig jigs and zigzags all over the place. But the tangentially they are connected. 80 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 That was a little bit I sort of let opportunities come to me that I thought 81 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,000 made sense, but learning new skills to make myself more marketable, making me 82 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:20,000 more desirable and necessary. That was that's intentional. So I think of like 83 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,000 my first executive role, I got recruited as I said earlier at 24 to become the 84 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 chief operating officer for an outsourcing organization, large context center 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 outsourcing. Well, it's because I work for the bank and this company had many 86 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,000 banking clients and contact center and that's what I was running for them. 87 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,000 And so, but I'd also taken a ton of courses I had my securities court license 88 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:47,000 and so that was intentional to even around how I choose to network, understanding 89 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,000 the organizational dynamics and the spider web of who's connected to whom and 90 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:56,000 the six degrees of separation that's probably more like three to, you know, 91 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,000 personal brand being really intentional about making sure the world knows what I 92 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,000 want them to know. Yes, here's my expertise. Here's what makes me different than 93 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,000 other people. Here's my passions and here's the things that and values that I hold 94 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,000 and then also here's kind of this. What do I want to be known for what's that. 95 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 So those are all things I've been incredibly intentional about. And the last 96 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,000 thing I'd say around that is intentional also comes with the creation of boundaries. 97 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 One is wide, you know, to that notion of be as successful as you want to go as far 98 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,000 as you want, but also getting there. I've learned to say no, or delegate or outsource 99 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 things that, you know, aren't bringing me any joy or value. 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Okay. Yeah, that's important. I feel like what I'm hearing you say is that it's a 101 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 little bit of both. There's definitely intention that goes into it, but it's also 102 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,000 just letting life happen for you and rolling with the punches. Is that correct? 103 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Oh, for sure. I think, you know, I, you know, the as I say, you know, sort of the 104 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,000 last best laid plans and I, you know, go to the go the wayside sometimes. And so I 105 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 think you can develop a plan for yourself, but I think there's a big openness to 106 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,000 the world that I think is helpful on coupled with the strategic intentionality 107 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,000 might otherwise have. Okay, cool. So what would you say has been the biggest factor 108 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,000 in your success? It's a multitude of things. Okay. Certainly, I think in this DNA, 109 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,000 I believe like resilience is some of it is innate, but some of it is a muscle that 110 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,000 can you can flex and learn. And so I think I've learned how to have a healthy level 111 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 of resilience. My early years of like putting walls around myself, that's not 112 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,000 that's not healthy and compartmentalizing. So learning to be really resilient because 113 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 as we experience of the last few years with a pandemic so much can change on a dime, 114 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,000 like in an instant, right? So I think having that kind of resilient nature is one. 115 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000 And then the intentionality around a few different things, you know, I think of my 116 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:54,000 career success as taking a ton of risk. You know, I think that growth doesn't come 117 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,000 if you're not challenging yourself. So getting really comfortable with leaning into 118 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,000 the things that make you uncomfortable. I also think the fact going back to like 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:08,000 skills and making myself relevant, you know, constantly developing my own skills 120 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 to be a better performer. And I think a lot of people wait back and think like, hey, 121 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 my manager is going to do that for me or the company is going to take care of this. 122 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,000 I'm like, no, you are the CEO of you. And so you need to. So that's, you know, 123 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 sort of this notion around performance and then personal brand and network has paid 124 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,000 a really big part of that. The majority of all the roles I've ever been recruited 125 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,000 into are a result of having a strong brand and a network of people who say, hey, 126 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,000 what did you think about Victoria for this? And then the elements of creating some 127 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,000 really strong boundaries for myself. Because I, you know, I was also that first 128 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,000 exec role. I was a brand new mother. My son was only three months old at that point. 129 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Oh, wow. Okay. You know, I've coached my kids hockey teams and I sit on boards 130 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,000 and I do all these things. So to do all that I want to do, I've had to get very good 131 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,000 at how do I create boundaries. So those are some of the things that I'd say that I 132 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,000 think I would say I attribute my success to. Yeah, absolutely. I think that the 133 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 concept of boundaries is so important, but I think it can be kind of complicated 134 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 for sure. How long do you think it took you to figure that out? 135 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Or was it just like a practicing like over time you eventually got good at it? 136 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Yeah, and it's easier. I will, you know, for your listeners, some of who might be, 137 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,000 you know, earlier professionals, it's hard to say no, you know, to your bosses. 138 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 So I mean, so it's a lot easier, you know, as I, you know, I've gained more seniority 139 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,000 to say no or to delegate it to someone else. So I'll completely acknowledge that. 140 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,000 But I had to learn on my own, you know, so I'm a fitness fanatic and I found that 141 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,000 there was probably a couple of years in my life where I let the fact that I traveled 142 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,000 probably 80% of the time creep in and I saw the weight come on because I was, you know, 143 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:59,000 getting up at four to get on a 6am flight. And so I made some, you know, choices at that point 144 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:05,000 and that compromised some of the things I wanted to do. So I've gotten better at blocking my calendar out 145 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000 before 9am. So no one books me for an early morning call so I can get to the gym, come home, 146 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,000 shower and look somewhat presentable once I get on video calls. You know, to, you know, 147 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:21,000 intentionality around how to maintain and grow my network, blocking out, you know, periods for lunch 148 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,000 or just networking periods to even two 30 minutes a day in my calendar just to get through emails 149 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,000 when I'm back to back to back conference calls. So those are things I've learned. 150 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:37,000 And I've gotten much better at it and a lot of it comes to do with confidence and experience 151 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:45,000 and knowing what is valuable to me or what me personally, my family, you know, my career, 152 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:52,000 my speaking work, and then figuring that out. And so I tell your listeners like, you know, 153 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000 you're going to like pivot and evolve and change. And, you know, you'll say no now and, you know, 154 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,000 two years from now you'll recognize that might be something you start saying yes to. 155 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:06,000 That's important. That's interesting for sure. So I kind of want to get into what your experience 156 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,000 as a woman in leadership has been like. What has that looked like for you? Has it always been a walk 157 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:18,000 in the park? Is it an issue? Is it not an issue? I want to hear more about that. 158 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:25,000 I've been incredibly involved in diversity, equity and inclusion world or DEI for short, 159 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:33,000 in part because of my experience. And so initially when I stepped into that executive role at 24, 160 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,000 I was the youngest by two decades. I was the only woman. And I also happened to be queer. 161 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:44,000 So I was married to a woman previously married to a man now and very happily, you know, queer. 162 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,000 And at the time I bring my wife, you know, to events. And so for me, I felt like I was the only. 163 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:56,000 So that coupled with it was a stretch role for me. And so there's a little bit of this imposter syndrome 164 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:04,000 of which many women will, you know, say that they feel. And so for me, I felt this need to show up with a little bit of a mask at work. 165 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:10,000 I was never going to let people know that I had vulnerabilities, that I had like emotions. 166 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:17,000 I didn't want people to think I was weak. And so I showed up in a very particular way at work that got me the nickname as the iron maiden at one point. 167 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:25,000 You know, now I've been through 18 murders and acquisitions and I'm usually leading large like operations and teams and having to make some tough decisions. 168 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:36,000 But I never showed that vulnerability piece. And so I learned late in my twenties into my 30s that that actually wasn't the kind of that actually who wasn't who I was innately that's not who I am as a person. 169 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:46,000 And that's not the kind of leader I would want to work for. So I had to do things differently. But that being in large part, again, my sort of my early years, you know, my fear of like, 170 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:54,000 rejection and being vulnerable and getting hurt. And it also came as a woman in business as the only woman in business trying to show up a certain way. 171 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:08,000 And so that that part, that's a part of completely pivoted. I'm now like, I show up, you know, and I'm very committed to, you know, building vulnerable authentic trusted relationship by by usually showing a big part of myself in doing that. 172 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Yeah. And also as a woman, you know, I showed up a number of years ago to I worked for IBM. And you think about women in in STEM, generally, and I was leading a large meeting and I walked into a room is myself and one other woman and 4040 men. 173 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:39,000 And so the reality is in, and sorry, and IBM's committed to like de I so it's not not that they're not but there's just some realities around women in certain roles or at certain levels. 174 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:46,000 And so we're not where we need need to be and so there are still times I find myself walking into rooms and there's less than 10% of us. 175 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:57,000 And it's a big part of why I do so much of the work, you know, advocating when you look at the Fortune 500 companies, there's only 53 female CEOs and only six black CEOs. 176 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Like, wow. Yeah. So there's a long way for us still to go. 177 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:14,000 Yeah. Really, that's insane. That's incredible that you're putting the effort towards bringing awareness about it. So what do you think has been the most significant barrier for females and leadership? 178 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:29,000 I think there's a few different things and so the first is going back to this whole notion of networking and that you know who you know matters. Well, when you know white men who had predominantly been leading a lot of these companies know lots of other people that look a lot like them. 179 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:46,000 And so they just, you know, they built some trust in those and so that so it becomes this referral system. So I think that's part of it. I think not enough focus and attention put to attracting the right kind of diverse talent both women, people of color, 180 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,000 sexuality, you name it, all the different elements of diversity. 181 00:14:50,000 --> 00:15:00,000 But I also think there's a component that I've seen in some women and this is going to be a bit controversial as I say this. We're here for it. 182 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:10,000 You know, I've been coaching and mentoring other women like, you know, particularly those who choose to become mothers, talk about that dynamic and that's where I see this massive drop off. 183 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:30,000 So I'll look at there was one company I worked at an entry level out of college we are 53% of our new hires were women and a certain job grade and within a couple, you know, job grades higher than that which means you know let's say within five to seven years to vocal progression, which is more child rearing years. 184 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:46,000 You saw this decline all of a sudden. And so, you know, a lot has to do with you know our choices that we make. And so for me, I hate being asked, you know, how do you do it all for me it's just life, and you can have it all. 185 00:15:46,000 --> 00:16:01,000 You can, but not always at the same times and there's compromises you're going to make at certain times for the right reasons and so for me, you know, I, after giving birth to my second child, I gave, I went into labor early. 186 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:13,000 I was planning on working to the last day but I went in a bit early was in the middle of something. I was released from the hospital like 10 hours later, she was sleeping, and I got online and work that night and people are like, well, I'm like, my choice. 187 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:25,000 But a lot of women you know, choose it's, you know, an equal partnership with your spouse. Now, yes, I was married to a woman when I had my two children, but my husband now my ex wife had passed away. 188 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:37,000 My ex husband who is adopted my kids, you know, he gave up a 25 year career because I'm the primary bread winner, and I travel and he helped manage with the kids and so I don't think there needs to be a stay at home parent. 189 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,000 But I think there needs to be an equal partnership at home. 190 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Oh my God, absolutely. 191 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Well, you know, how women like you don't need to barrel up there's a lot of mom guilt we have anyways don't let anyone else make you feel guilty for the choices that you're going to make. 192 00:16:51,000 --> 00:17:08,000 So I think this, there is a component that some women own in related relation to sort of this family dynamic, and therefore stepping back from what it takes to, you know, continue to move up the ladder I mean people can say all they want. 193 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:16,000 You can have this incredible balance once you get into being an executive but the reality is like, no you don't. 194 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:23,000 You know, yes you can say no to things but there's still there's a lot when you're running large, you know business units or whatever the senior role you're in. 195 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:31,000 And so you're going to have to make some choices and so for me, when my kids were two and six. I spent 220 days on the road that year. 196 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:40,000 I worked in the field, although after about two years of that and seeing no end in sight I quit that job to get one with a little more balance but I needed to do what I needed to do. 197 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:58,000 So are you more of a balanced person. Is that how you live your life because I, to be honest with you and I feel like people don't understand this or don't like agree with this that I feel I'm, I don't necessarily believe in balance like I feel like if you are, you have a goal you're trying to get something 198 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:09,000 that are automatically going to take the back burner. And then like you say maybe in two years that's something you start to say yes to, but you have to focus on what it is you're trying to achieve first and in my opinion. 199 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Yeah, I think there's. 200 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:22,000 I mean I, this expect this sort of hustle hard nation like that. That's the part where you hear about the great resignation the great rethink coming great social media handles. 201 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:37,000 But everyone's kind of rethought things and I think where I think there can be more balances for those who choose to have more balance. The expectations of companies that they're going to get 60 hours a week at other employees who they only pay for 40 hours, like that needs to stop 202 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:56,000 from getting better expectation by employers to employees. But like you and I, I mean, if you have a goal or objective, then, you know, go after it so for me, there, no, there's, it as I said it's all just life for me don't I don't like when people talk to me about balance. 203 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,000 I have this saying that where there's conviction, there is capacity. 204 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:11,000 So, don't tell me you don't have time to work out in the gym are you on Netflix until one o'clock in the morning. Yes, absolutely. And so for me, but I also make a choice I'm clear with my team. 205 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:23,000 It's do as I say not as I do. I choose to read and clear my emails when I'm on vacation because I don't want to come home to a thousand emails. But that's my choice. 206 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:42,000 I'm not a team to do that. And so and I've also like built and like or and bought companies on the side or for investment and I do all these other things but again that that's my choice and so I've just found a way to really integrate it all based upon, you know, what, what do I have that 207 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 conviction around at that point. 208 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Absolutely. What do you feel women would benefit from knowing if they wanted to, even if they didn't want to pursue a executive path but they just want to pursue anything that's higher than what they're doing now. 209 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:12,000 What do you think they would benefit from knowing about this notion as I said they knew you're the, you're the CEO of you. And so I talk about boundaries boundaries and I've been talking a little bit more around sort of the confines thing no delegating outsourcing. 210 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,000 First of all, like, go back to that define what success is for you. 211 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Yeah, what is it you want, don't let others tell you how limited that might be if you want really expansive opportunities, or that you can't go this far like you define it for yourself. 212 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:38,000 And then you take charge of going and getting it so whether that's the learning and development you need to gain the skills to do that to networking all those sorts of things. 213 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:51,000 And that you're like you're accountable for that. And there are going to be trade offs at certain times in your life that you're going to make again if you've chosen to partner if you've chosen to have children. 214 00:20:51,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Again, sometimes you're going to make some compromises for the right reasons for your family sometimes for your career. You know me I think I gave birth to my first it, you know, just before my 24th birthday so I'm now turning 47 next week. 215 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 And I'm a Dnester. 216 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 What day on the second. 217 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:29,000 Yeah, so I just think like had I made a decision to kind of put aside my career some at somewhat when I was in my 20s when I had my children, you know I just be so much further like behind where you know I am now. 218 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:44,000 And this is where like I will tell women like you were a whole person. Yes, you were, you might be a spouse. Yes, you might be a mother. But you're this whole person and so, like, don't be too focused on like, when you think that you're being selfish. 219 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:59,000 Like, no, like you need so here at 47 my younger one graduated high school last year and decided to move in with their older brother so like, I'm literally an empty nester now, and I still have this massive long runway ahead of me before I would even contemplate retirement. 220 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:16,000 So, like, I think I want women to think much more that way, versus this more traditional. We're in North America, I mean I know it's different in other parts of the world, not all have the same kind of opportunity and privilege we do living in North, North America from a culture standpoint 221 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000 and expectations of women. 222 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:37,000 But like, go, go get it, define what it is you want and go get it. Yes. And I like how you talk about us being a full person, because I feel like that's something that, even if you're not a mom or a wife or whatever like people, people dial in on this one area of their life and form their identity around it let 223 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:51,000 me be a career adversity or anything that they've they've experienced and they just think, oh, I'm stuck in this pigeonhole for the rest of my life, I guess and this is who I'm going to be or I'm going to be a mom I'm going to be a wife that's why I am and I have no other pieces of me. 224 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:58,000 And then when those things go away like for the mom and wife specifically, you're screwed. 225 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:10,000 So, how can women develop their leadership skills or just their skills to become more confident powerful women. The differences between leadership versus some of the other things that are wrong, you know, confidence. 226 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:22,000 So, so let me tackle confidence, first of all, I am not a believer in fake it till you make it with regards to anything except for confidence. 227 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:39,000 So, you know, this is, you know, when I first stepped into that executive role I moved from, you know, running operations within a bank that's business to consumer to all of a sudden, I'm business to business, I'm in front of clients who pair bills, having it and I was accountable for 228 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:51,000 sales and marketing our operations, our technology, etc. I wasn't confident. And so that was one where I had to put this mask on that's the only time I say like put masks on, put this one where you show up and you just pretend you're confident you stand there and at some 229 00:23:51,000 --> 00:24:09,000 point it actually does become more natural and potentially for many like me more innate. So it's just who I am now. So with confidence I think you just, you have to continue to like, you know, put yourself out there, but also, I'm confident around the things that I know and I 230 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:21,000 don't know. So I'm okay to go. I don't know what I don't know and then I either go and find it and learn the skills, or it's higher really and surround myself with people who have, you know, that the capability that I don't know. 231 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:29,000 So for confidence comes in knowing like I'm not going to speak up and talk unless I actually really believe that I understand the subject. 232 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Okay, you know, you know, right, sure. 233 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:41,000 So develop your skills. And there is an air and so they talk about like taking up space and yes I've heard that. 234 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:57,000 And there's it's good or bad, but confidence is often mistaken for competence, and they can be one in the same thing, but it that their parents of confidence usually dramatically helps those propel within the organization. 235 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Yeah, it relates to just getting, you know, better at your role or potentially going in the leadership. I mean again deeply understand your craft to talk a lot about skills but that's just because this new sort of way of like the future of work. 236 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:25,000 There's much more of a focus on discrete skills, rather than job titles and these kind of broad buckets. And so being really, really clear and understanding the skills you have today that are necessary for your job but also what's coming the shelf life of skills is reducing 237 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:43,000 dramatically like less than two years, particularly when you start to talk at like technology or others. And so make sure you maintain your relevance and your skills for future to help even if it's you don't want to be, you know, go up the food chain so to speak from a corporate ladder standpoint but just be better at 238 00:25:43,000 --> 00:26:01,000 or the more senior person in your functional craft. And then as a leader, you know, there, this is again one where I think there's a little bit DNA. And then there's a lot. There's a lot you can learn though. I mean, and in my case, I often get asked to you know, who are the mentors I've had. 239 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Sadly, Sarah I don't have many good ones in fact I've had to learn from those who performed horribly. And I was like, I'm not going to be anything like that I'm going to do better do different. 240 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:23,000 And there, I mean the digital world we're in now it's easy to you know, learn or podcast that's actually how I start my you know workout every day listening you know it's a podcast before I shift to music. 241 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Mm hmm. Me too. 242 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000 Learn and then and also ask for, ask for help. 243 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Yeah. 244 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:48,000 I think that's cool how you say that it is DNA that so you think that it is like you kind of have to have a spark in you obviously anybody can learn anything and can get better at anything and can like you were saying grow their knowledge but like it does I agree with you that I feel like it is kind of something 245 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000 that's you either got it or you don't would you agree with that. Yeah. 246 00:26:52,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Yeah, yeah I mean again, I think you can get better but you think there's some who you either enjoy it or you don't that's the other thing like yeah, leadership, like, you have to enjoy what a big part of there's always going to I have the 8020 rule right like 247 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:23,000 80% of that you're going to enjoy there's 20% whether it's administrative. Sometimes I feel like I'm back in high school like managing like when people on the pettiness that comes just you know in a work in workplace, but most of the time like do you do you enjoy that do you enjoy 248 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000 coaching and developing people. 249 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Yeah, fantastic that's that's the innate part. Can you get better at how you do that yes that's the learned part. 250 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Yes, okay. Interesting. Okay, so I want to talk to you about we talked we touched on it very briefly about how people will succumb to their adversity so I want to discuss that with you since I know that you did experience major adversity and have so far overcome 251 00:27:50,000 --> 00:28:03,000 I want to hear kind of your mindset and your thoughts through that process. So what motivated you away from the rough upbringing towards a more successful lifestyle. 252 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:15,000 There's two hashtags I sign a lot of my social media posts one is unstoppable because that's my nature to be incredibly resilient and not let anything, you know, stop me and the other is no excuses. 253 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,000 And now my children hate that one. I will tell you. 254 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:38,000 But it doesn't mean that we can't when adversity comes our way we, you know, can't feel the emotion of anger sadness paint whatever it is in that moment I don't I don't mean to be hardened like when I say no no excuses it's just, we have a choice. 255 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:56,000 So how we move forward from that. How are we going to process the adversity challenge trauma, you know that's come our way. And how do we put one foot in front of the other. That's progress towards our goal so that's what I mean by sort of the no excuses so for me. 256 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:06,000 I'm again going a little bit of this nature nurture thing as I say DNA, you know, I think of, you know, the fight or flight. I'm a fighter. 257 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:19,000 So, you know, first years with Julie my biological mother to like a lower socioeconomic status with my mom was later diagnosed with like manic depression so it's a bit challenging in the household to I was raped at 14. 258 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:33,000 And a multitude of things that still came my way. It was like, I had this like fight in me that I was again I was not going to let it stop me. And, and then it shifted when I had the words around it. 259 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:51,000 And I thought that I was just going to be better than I was going to somehow I thought I'm going to prove to the world. I am better than like the Saxon last name I was born with like into that that dynamic versus, you know, parents that you know could never afford to go on vacation. 260 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:58,000 And so I wanted something different for me. And so that's where that's where the drive came from. 261 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:18,000 You know, in. And I've just that drive is continued so those there's been a ton and a ton of adversity and challenge that's come since then I think of like that I was raped at 14 I had a boyfriend at 18 or 19 he was fairly abusive to my, my ex wife had cancer we found out when I was pregnant with our, 262 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:30,000 we were seven weeks pregnant with our second. And so like go through that, you know, she passed away. Like a bunch of these things have come up but it's just like, okay, like, how am I going to move forward and move through this. 263 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:50,000 I wouldn't say Sarah always had the healthiest way of being resilient I, I was very good at building walls. My nickname is turtle so I've got a, you know, tough exterior but I'm all actually marshmallow inside. And I never let anyone except the absolute those closest to me see that see the marshmallow inside. 264 00:30:50,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Yeah, I needed to learn this is where the learn the not DNA and learn to be better improve and flex your muscle. I learned to get better at being really self aware and self reflective and understanding why I felt or acted the way I was. 265 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:23,000 I've been building a plan to like model the thinking or the action that I wanted to get me to where I wanted to go. Yeah, and that took time. For sure. And it wasn't always comfortable. But again, I think, you know, unless you're leaning into the discomfort that like growth isn't coming. 266 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Absolutely. So why, what do you think is the main reason people make excuses then like what can people do to start shifting away from the excuse making. 267 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:56,000 It's easy for many people to make it like it's hard work, you know, being disciplined right. It's not about working out like, okay, well, no, no excuses. Don't tell me can't find an hour in your day to like or even half an hour like and do that right and so I think it's, it's easy to blame something or someone else or the 268 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:07,000 circumstance versus creating a solid plan and making change that is difficult. 269 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Yeah. 270 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,000 Have you ever had trouble with your identity living in one extreme to the next extreme. 271 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000 How so. 272 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Like, maybe imposter syndrome you talked about a little bit like having any issue with maybe feeling guilt or anything that maybe just living these two different lives you're like, or, or maybe not anything bad that you're like, Wow, look at me like I did all of this I came from this and I've created this and some people can't do that and I did. 273 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Yeah, it's. 274 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:53,000 So, yes, I think now I understand like the question a little bit better, but in very different ways. So, yes, there was imposter syndrome in the workplace but I compartmentalize and I'm like, okay, I'm going to show I'm going to deliver. 275 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 So I'm going to achieve. 276 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:07,000 And so I plowed through despite, you know, my insecurity and imposter syndrome. Okay. But there's many, you know, moments where I felt conflicted. 277 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:24,000 And one of those so it's funny for me, earlier in my, my 20s into my, my early 30s, I am part of me demonstrating to the world that I was better than I did, you know, then where I came from was a little bit just around, unfortunately, material things. 278 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,000 So I think I'd get a bigger and bigger home or more better vehicle or this or that. 279 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:43,000 And to sort of prove that was in my in my head but I again some of that I know where it comes from you know I, you know, my parents had declared bankruptcy twice I bought my first house at 19 like I was just so determined I was not, you know, going to be like that. 280 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000 Yeah. 281 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000 And then, and so that for me. 282 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,000 I would tell people is like, completely mistaken view of what success and happiness looks like. 283 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:59,000 I'm joking she's like Tory money doesn't buy happiness but it makes one hell of a down payment. 284 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:10,000 You know I can like give my children things that I, you know, could I never had but our health, like and actually my ex whites health and then her later passing like that kind of put some things in a into perspective for me. 285 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:27,000 And interestingly, I remember flying my father out my mom passed away when I was pregnant with my daughter, my father I flew him out to our home and at the time I had like a live in nanny and I actually felt really uncomfortable in so, you know, for the outward world, how successful I was it was great for 286 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:33,000 everyone else to know, but for my dad to come, it made me uncomfortable. 287 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Yeah, like, so living this sort of life to being really really. 288 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:52,000 I'm extremely values and integrity driven and I've made some decisions to leave companies as a result of that. And I think I would have lived in fear to do some of that earlier. 289 00:34:52,000 --> 00:35:06,000 I stayed a little longer and some, even despite seeing that and so that's where I've just kind of had to vacillate sometimes between what I want and the goals I have and reconciling it with whom I really and aately and and how are people perceiving me. 290 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:17,000 And so now in my 40s like I don't care, like so I have no issue with like identity and saying here's who I am and here's what I stand for and yeah, here's what I like. 291 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Do you think it just came with age? Yeah, age in the experience not just an age but like some of the experiences I've had. 292 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Sure. Yeah. 293 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000 It's made to rethink something. 294 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Yeah, totally. That makes sense. Because I feel like a lot of people talk about it coming with age but right if you're just aging and you're not trying to be intentional or trying to learn anything, why would anything make a difference? 295 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Absolutely. So what have you had any characteristics that you feel like you've carried with you through your whole life that has led you to this point? 296 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Yeah, my like determination and stubbornness. 297 00:35:53,000 --> 00:36:03,000 I don't generally even though I said to tourists is I mean, I am very similar to the way they describe a tourist. I don't know anything about any of the other signs. 298 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:18,000 But I have extreme determination and discipline and I can be quite stubborn and I do think that that's helped me in this like unstoppable way of living and life. 299 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Yeah. You said earlier that you didn't necessarily picture your life to be like this. Is that what I heard? 300 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Yeah, I mean, I knew I wanted to be better than somewhat like my parents or I knew there were certain things. Like I said, I bought my first house at 19. 301 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Like I didn't was very focused on, you know, career and ensuring that I would never need to rely upon anyone else. Like those things were always there. 302 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:56,000 I thought I was going to be a lawyer. I watched, you know, I'm really aging myself here and you probably don't know the show but like LA Law. My mom watched that this TV series and you know, that was like in the 80s and early 90s. 303 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:02,000 And I was like, oh, I'm going to be a lawyer like them, right? And that's that's what I thought. Yeah, I started getting it. 304 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:10,000 I realized what much like, you know, what you either enjoy leadership or you don't. Well, I enjoyed the corporate life. I enjoyed being a leader and so progress. 305 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:21,000 I kind of said that my aspiration was I needed to be a CEO someday. Yeah, that goal or evolved over time. 306 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:30,000 And also, I've never really had a total career pivot. As I said, you know, it looks like a zigzag but they're tangentially all of the roles I've held are related. 307 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:41,000 But I do a lot of coaching for other leaders who I would actually advise them in some cases to pivot. And so I tell your, your, your listeners that that's okay as well. 308 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Like you might start down one path and you know, go five or 10 years down it and go, just don't enjoy it anymore. It's not what I want or I've developed a new passion. And so I'm going to go this way instead. 309 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Yeah. 310 00:37:51,000 --> 00:38:04,000 And so, you know, for me, it's everything I do is very much we talked about sort of the whole person in life. It's all, it's all connected to me. I've just gotten probably a little bit more laser focused on some things than others. 311 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:11,000 But no, I didn't really plan it like 12 or 14 or 15 or 18 to be where I am here necessarily. 312 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Sure. 313 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:21,000 So you know, what's your intent yourself from having a victim mentality like what separates you from people who allow their adversity to crush them. 314 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:29,000 I mean a lot of things. So again, I think there's, you know, the, the innate desire to, to fight. 315 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Yeah, you know, the. 316 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000 But there's also I mean I'm not. 317 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:49,000 I mean, there's a lot that comes in finding people that support you as well. Right. So for your, you know, the listeners who've, you know, suffered from trauma or some kind of adversity we've all experienced adversity and not all have had the same kind of trauma necessarily but we've all 318 00:38:49,000 --> 00:39:08,000 had the same kind of trauma. And I think that's a great challenge and, and getting help is okay. You know, actually my mom was very good at I hated it as a teenager she'd sit me down for our friend talk through like why I was feeling the way I was feeling and I was like, oh my God, mom like, but actually that ability to be really self reflective 319 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:21,000 and understanding around my motivations my fears, etc. is is actually my mom didn't she knew what she was doing back then but I mean like I don't know that she knew how impactful it was going to be for me now as an adult. 320 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:34,000 Yeah, not just means and so I tell your listeners like gets in help and support to find the ways to move through like and take the small steps that are progress. 321 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:42,000 How can people stop themselves from settling for a life that isn't fulfilling. 322 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,000 We have choice. Yeah. 323 00:39:45,000 --> 00:40:00,000 And so this is where my no excuses and I'll call BS on people like sometimes where they're like you can, you can bitch all you want for a period of time but again you have a choice to change the situation you're in, whether that's a relationship, or whether that's a job. 324 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Whether that's the extra weight and health, you carry right like you have choice. So if you are unhappy, or you are unfulfilled, then you make a choice to alter the path you are currently on and build a plan for such, and then take action on that on that plan. 325 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:39,000 And this goes back to even this notion I said it just being really like self reflective around like what it's easy to say I don't enjoy this. Okay well so like much like I tell people leading, they're thinking about a career change or, or company change even like, don't run from something, run to something. 326 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:54,000 Unless it's horrible like I mean you being sexually, you know, you know abuse you've got a horrible leader like I mean there's reasons sometimes you want to run away from somewhere but I mean generally. And so spend that time being really aware around, okay what don't I like about the situation and therefore what is it I'm 327 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,000 seeking. Yeah, you know, in this next job relationship whatever. 328 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:13,000 I think it also comes back to the easiness that you were talking about earlier, like it's just like so easy to just like continue with this life that you've been living. And obviously you have to, I like what you said about making a plan I feel like most people skip that 329 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:31,000 they like think okay like I hate my life like I don't want to deal with this. Now I have to take action and fix it and do something about it but I feel like the plan gets lost and that's how it's harder for us to take action it almost feels like, you know you're not ready to make those steps, and that would be why because 330 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:42,000 you know what you're doing. What is the biggest difference between young you and now you clarity and confidence. I said I, I faked it till I made I showed up but I mean and I think there was a degree of 331 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:58,000 confidence but I mean there's a true and neat level of confidence in the things I know now, but just the clarity pieces probably more so like I can very very well articulate what I do and I don't like. 332 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:12,000 Yeah, I'm crystal clear on you know if I'm making a role changer I think you know I can tell you what does that roller that environment going to look like. And that that notion of creating boundaries and what I'm saying no to. 333 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000 I know a heck of a lot better now than I did in my 20s. 334 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:33,000 I think it's so funny that you say I feel like I've heard you say multiple times confidence and clarity, but you are doing these very impressive things you know buying the house at 19 having a child before 24 becoming the CEO at 24 like even though you are feeling that way, 335 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:51,000 your your actions don't reflect that and I think that that's really cool. So something that I like to do on well is is we I like to paint a picture that just like that honestly that you can be your most well self we can try to become our most healthy versions of 336 00:42:51,000 --> 00:43:03,000 ourself but it's never going to be 100% there's always going to be work that's going into becoming the best version of yourself so just a couple last questions for you. What is something you're worried about right now. 337 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:15,000 My younger one, my, my youngest child has some mental health issues and suffered from a little bit of substance abuse issues so you know that weighs on my mind. 338 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:23,000 You know, heavily in terms of making sure they're in the right space and getting the right help for them. 339 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,000 What's a toxic mental habit you used to carry that you can now proudly say you've overcome. 340 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000 Not thinking I was good enough. 341 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,000 What went into overcoming that toxic trait. 342 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000 believing I was good enough. 343 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:49,000 So with all of your experience and all of your knowledge, what would you say is one of the most important things that you have learned about life. 344 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,000 Just the big question for you. 345 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 Yeah, I know just throw that. 346 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000 So simple. 347 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:14,000 So, you know, I think that's a great notion of how control in control we are despite the fact that there's a lot of things outside of our control. We are, you know, as a, as I shared around, you know, defining what success looks like for us what happiness looks like for us and then making the choice to move towards that. 348 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000 Yeah. 349 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000 Sweet. How can people find you. 350 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000 I have a website which is Victoria dash health. 351 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:31,000 com and I'm further being the show notes and no one needs to figure out the last name. And then your audience can choose to link out to whatever social media platform from there that they spend the most time on. 352 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Well, thank you so much for being here you've read it so much insightful information and I really appreciate your time. Thank you.