1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,840 Hey, I'm Matt Brownell. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,480 And I'm Van Owens. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,160 And I'm Tim Adams. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:18,120 Welcome to Climbing the Mountain, where we dive into the scriptures and discuss themes, 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,280 connections, and real life application. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,960 We're kicking off a series here where we're going to examine the Sermon on the Mount and 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:34,760 discuss implications for this teaching for Christians today. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,120 Welcome back. 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,840 We are going through the Lord's Prayer, and this has just been wonderful. 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,240 It's been so fun discussing these passages. 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:51,400 We've only gotten through the first little bit of it, talking about our Father, our Father 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,080 in Heaven, and how it would be your name. 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:04,840 We are going to move in now to the last two requests that we're going to focus in on this 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,840 time. 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,680 Van, do you want to read the whole Lord's Prayer? 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,680 Sure. 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,920 Matthew chapter 6, starting in verse 9, this then is how you should pray. 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,960 Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be your name. 19 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:25,480 Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. 21 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,040 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,920 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your Heavenly Father will 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,160 also forgive you. 24 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:50,240 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. 25 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,240 Great. 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:02:00,120 Okay, so first off, how can we pray, forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,160 debtors? 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:09,080 Are we making grace conditional and not something that is by faith, but rather works? 29 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,800 All right, so I want to jump in here. 30 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:21,720 And I want to ask you guys a question, kind of to answer that question in my mind. 31 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:29,880 So what produces a good crop, like in a farming sense? 32 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Is it the rain or is it the farmer? 33 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,560 Yes. 34 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Mm-hmm. 35 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,560 Both. 36 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Yeah. 37 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:43,600 The farmer works really hard, repair the soil, provides good seed, right, removes weeds, 38 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,240 and it doesn't rain. 39 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,920 It's not going to be good. 40 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:53,920 But if you don't do those things, the natural thing is it's not going to be a good crop, 41 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:54,920 right? 42 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:55,920 Mm-hmm. 43 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,240 So I think that is the answer here. 44 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:05,440 When we talk about grace being like conditional or not, and we can get like really bound up 45 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:15,000 in this tight knot of we don't want to make it all about what we do, but Jesus made a 46 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,400 condition here, right? 47 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,440 Like he said, if you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven. 48 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:26,560 And saying that doesn't take away, if you think about the analogy, doesn't take away 49 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,880 the importance of the rain, right? 50 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,220 It doesn't take away the importance of rain producing that crop. 51 00:03:35,220 --> 00:03:41,120 If the rain's not there, if God doesn't forgive us, then we're host. 52 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:49,840 But at the same time, we've got to take seriously the fact that there are important things that 53 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:56,960 we need to do in order to be a good soil to receive that rain. 54 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:06,800 So I would say, yes, grace is conditional, and yes, grace is by faith, not through works. 55 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,880 It's really both because there's a synergy between what God's doing and what we're doing 56 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:11,880 here. 57 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Nice. 58 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Any other thoughts? 59 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,520 I think it gets on the nature of who God is and his attributes. 60 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:28,200 The idea of the name not just being like, oh, hey, John, you know, Matt, I don't think 61 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,360 of it as like a name like that. 62 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:36,120 I mean, that's a whole other topic, but I was looking at Colossians 3, 12. 63 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,920 Therefore, as the chosen of God, holy and dearly loved, put on affection, compassion, 64 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:47,080 kindness, humility, gentleness, patience, putting up with one another and forgiving 65 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,960 one another. 66 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:57,920 And that whole phrasing, if we go back to Moses asking for God to show himself and God 67 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:04,240 proclaiming the name of Yahweh, abounding with loyal love and faithfulness, keeping 68 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:12,040 loyal love to the thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, that right there, 69 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:19,040 the heart of what God's nature is, is what we're claiming to trying to become. 70 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,120 And without that, it's like, do you really believe in God's forgiveness if you aren't 71 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,200 willing to tap into that forgiveness yourself? 72 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,200 Yeah. 73 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,840 Yeah, we are trying to imitate. 74 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:37,760 And he is the one who initiates grace in the first place. 75 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:38,760 Yeah. 76 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:48,320 I think there is a strong, strong link here with our forgiveness and how we forgive. 77 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:54,200 I think if this wasn't clear enough, because sometimes I'll be honest, I've wanted to pray 78 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:03,240 this and God, you know, forgive, help me forgive others the way you forgive me. 79 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Like, you know, or just leave that other part off, please forgive me my sins and leave 80 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,400 me not into temptation. 81 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Oops, I missed that part. 82 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:20,640 You know, if this wasn't hard enough, he really nails the point in verses 14 and 15, right, 83 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,320 where he's saying, if you don't forgive others, God won't forgive you. 84 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,840 And he keeps going with it. 85 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:31,600 I mean, chapter seven, he's, because the same sentiment with the measure you use will 86 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,960 be measured to you. 87 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,400 So I think, yeah, this is really important that if we're going to, I mean, it's the 88 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,320 unmerc—the parable of the unmerciful servant, right? 89 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,320 He was forgiven a lot. 90 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,960 And then the master's like, shouldn't you have done that for your fellow servant? 91 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:56,640 Like, you know, we are, I believe we are called to imitate God, our master, and that's what 92 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:57,640 he wants. 93 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,480 And we, it may not be easy, it might take time. 94 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:07,120 I don't think that he's, I don't think this is like, I immediately, I forgive you right 95 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,120 away. 96 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,120 No, I mean, you have to deal with stuff for it to even be genuine. 97 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:17,640 But I think if we are the type of people who hold onto grudges, then we're in danger here 98 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,480 because we're not imitating God. 99 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,880 And I think that there is, so there's a part of this where I've been reading anti-right 100 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,600 lately, and he made one point that I thought was brilliant, he talked about how in John 101 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:36,080 1, it tells us that a part of the identity of Jesus is that the word became flesh. 102 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:42,400 And he said, and the word needs to continue to become flesh. 103 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,200 It's just our flesh now. 104 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,280 It's just the church's flesh. 105 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:55,840 And that the way, how does God's grace, how does God's forgiveness get out to the world 106 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,320 through our flesh? 107 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:04,840 So that if we, if we don't forgive, if we ask for forgiveness without granting forgiveness, 108 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,920 we're, we're blunting it. 109 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,800 We're, we're, we're becoming hypocrites. 110 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:10,800 Yeah. 111 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:17,280 We're, we're, we're putting on something and it's not real anymore. 112 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:24,800 So when Jesus says, God won't forgive you if you don't forgive others, it's, it's not 113 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,400 like it's an arbitrary thing. 114 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,760 Like God is deciding, okay, if they don't forgive others, then I'm not going to forgive 115 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,760 them. 116 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,120 It's almost like it's an impossibility. 117 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Yeah. 118 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,120 It can't happen. 119 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,120 You cannot be forgiven. 120 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,560 It's like you're, you're not part of the group. 121 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:41,560 Right. 122 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:45,040 The group is we're going to go out in the world and forgive other people because we've 123 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,040 been forgiven. 124 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,040 That's what we're doing. 125 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Right. 126 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,560 And that, and you, you're right. 127 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:56,480 You blunt the, the force of, of the gospel when you hide that amazing truth. 128 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:57,480 Yeah. 129 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:03,680 I think a lot of this is like, we talk about, is this prayer a template? 130 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:06,160 Like right there, you just take that one line. 131 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Like you could apply that to other aspects. 132 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,520 I don't know if Jesus is really hitting on that. 133 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,480 I mean, obviously forgiveness is the obvious point, but there are a lot of other aspects 134 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:21,360 of being a Christian that if we're not actually doing what we claim to do or claim to believe, 135 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,320 like it's, it's hard to spread the kingdom message that way. 136 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,200 You know, it's, it's, you're really stunting the growth of the kingdom when you do that. 137 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,480 So I think that's a really good point, then. 138 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,600 So moving on to the next temptation. 139 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,600 All right. 140 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,240 Why would Jesus pray for God not to lead us into temptation? 141 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,200 Is that something God would ever do? 142 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:50,160 I mean, if so, I don't think that would make God a very nice guy. 143 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,080 It kind of sounds bad if he's tempting people, right? 144 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,000 What, what's Jesus praying here? 145 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,120 I mean, especially when he combines the phrase with, but deliver us from evil. 146 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,960 I think this section is the most fascinating part of the whole prayer. 147 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:05,960 Yeah. 148 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:12,440 And the most confusing, um, like I did a real deep dive onto this and like broke down the 149 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:19,680 Greek and went into the Hebrew and kind of like I was trying to digest what is, what 150 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,400 is he really talking about here? 151 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:29,440 And I think the, the main point that I've come to is that the difference between a temptation 152 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,440 and a test. 153 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Yeah. 154 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Cause we like, that's a huge theme in the Bible throughout the whole thing is that the 155 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,280 test, but when it comes to temptation, it's not God. 156 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,280 It's Satan. 157 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,120 Jesus gets tempted in the wilderness, not by God, but by Satan. 158 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:54,120 And the idea of testing versus temptation, God doesn't tempt in, uh, in James one, um, 159 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,280 verse 13, no one is being tempted. 160 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Should say, I am being tempted by God for God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself 161 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:09,320 tempts no one, but earlier right before this in James one, blessed is the person who endures 162 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:14,960 testing because, uh, when he is approved, he will receive the crown of life that he has 163 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,320 promised to those who love him. 164 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Those are different words. 165 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:19,640 Yeah. 166 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:27,240 And the word testing here is the exact same word that in Greek as in the Lord's prayer. 167 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,160 So I don't think that that word temptation is really a great representation because, um, 168 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,560 the evil one is tempting. 169 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:38,120 So God's not leading you into temptation. 170 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,480 He's leading you into a testing by being tempted by evil. 171 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Like that's just going to come. 172 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,480 It's part of the world. 173 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,320 Satan's trying to tempt you and it's like a test of your faith. 174 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,960 Like Peter, Peter is sifted by Satan, but God's not making Satan do that. 175 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,960 Yeah. 176 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,520 He's saying that's going to happen. 177 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,680 Is this, this is, this is hard to digest, right? 178 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,880 Because you've got Jesus on the one hand is saying, you know, you get these passages 179 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,240 where you're testing proves your faith, which is more valuable than gold. 180 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,880 But then he's, Jesus say, Hey, don't even pray did not to get tested. 181 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,880 Right. 182 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Like let's avoid that. 183 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Yeah. 184 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Like lead us through all this temptation that's going to come and help us pass the test. 185 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:25,840 Okay. 186 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,840 Yeah. 187 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,960 And it's just to not fall away when we are tempted because we know it's coming. 188 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,720 The evil one is going to tempt us. 189 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Is it the desire that's at the heart of it that like that we'd be praying somehow to 190 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,520 not be tempted by these things like that our desires would be shifted toward? 191 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,280 I think it's like the word that comes to mind is overcoming. 192 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,440 Like we're going to fail. 193 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,840 We're going to sin. 194 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:59,800 But the idea of not letting that destroy you, like Satan is not in there to just annoy you. 195 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:05,320 Like he's here to ruin you and to lead you completely away from God, not to just kind 196 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,320 of put a rock in your shoe. 197 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,040 He's here to destroy you. 198 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,280 I mean, that's what we have to fight against. 199 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,560 And he'll use pleasure or pain. 200 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:14,560 Anything. 201 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,280 Whatever you can do, whatever you're vulnerable with is what's coming at you. 202 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:26,320 And might not the same situation be a test or a temptation depending on who your king 203 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,320 is. 204 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,320 Yeah. 205 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:36,000 That, you know, we talked earlier in the prayer about your kingdom come. 206 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,080 Remember God is your king. 207 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:46,880 So when you're in a situation that is difficult, that you have to make a moral decision about 208 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:52,560 not saying that all situations are like this, but it might be more of a temptation if God 209 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:53,560 is not your king. 210 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:54,560 Yeah. 211 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,560 I think tying those two together is interesting. 212 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:01,280 Oftentimes when I'm praying, um, your, your kingdom come, your will be done. 213 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:07,600 I'm actually thinking about how, you know, God, make me desire the things that you desire, 214 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,320 not the things in this world. 215 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:18,040 And so when you get down to temptation or test, it, it kind of goes together in a way. 216 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,320 I love what you're saying there. 217 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,760 Um, so, right. 218 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:30,600 Deliver us from the tests, deliver us from, from things being a faith destroying temptation. 219 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,960 Instead, let it build our faith in Jesus and in God. 220 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,200 And, um, I love this. 221 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,200 All right. 222 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:46,360 So, how do each of these parts of Jesus's prayer connect to each other? 223 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,520 What's the big picture about how Jesus is teaching us to pray? 224 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,080 Is there an overarching theme or point? 225 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,080 Yeah. 226 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:55,080 That's a big question. 227 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,080 It's a hard one to answer. 228 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:07,840 There's so many in there, but I think the, the two big points for me come down to one 229 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,840 one. 230 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,000 God is the one, I mean, really, I guess it's one. 231 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,500 God is in control. 232 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:18,600 God's in control of where I'm going to go in life. 233 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,200 It's his purposes, not my purposes. 234 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,840 God's in control and I can trust him because he's my father and he cares about me and he's 235 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,760 in control of, and he's had power to, to do what he's, uh, his purposes are. 236 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,200 Um, and God is going to control and we'll take care of my like day-to-day needs. 237 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:43,120 Um, so it's, when I, when I'm just, you know, when I come into prayer, I tend to take control 238 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,120 or fear that I'm losing control. 239 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:54,680 Um, this is actually a prayer about submission to, um, the, the loving control of, of my father 240 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,400 who sees all things, who knows how the whole universe is supposed to be. 241 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:06,680 And if I walk in his path and doing his will, he's going to take care of me. 242 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Yeah. 243 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:15,800 I think that it is, it, it's, it's, there's so much genius in it. 244 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,720 It's, it's prayer, but it's more than prayer. 245 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,880 It's, it, it, it helps us to understand submission. 246 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:32,400 It helps us to understand what part of what goes on in our life is God's and what part 247 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:37,040 is ours and how those two things need to go together. 248 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:44,520 How the, the submission of our will to his will, um, makes us more powerful, makes us 249 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,560 more like him. 250 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Uh, it, it's the, but that, I, that I think is the overarching thing is that it is, um, 251 00:16:54,720 --> 00:17:08,400 it is a prayer that is, uh, that causes change that at the, at the end of the prayer, when 252 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:15,040 it's talking about who we are and what we do, that is guided by the beginning of the 253 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:20,240 prayer when it's talking about who God is and what he does. 254 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:27,720 I think the way this prayer, what always struck me about this prayer, um, is how different 255 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,160 it is from, I think my idea of prayer now where it's like, I'm trying to give God everything, 256 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,320 but this prayer is just so short. 257 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,800 And so, you know, it's, it's just right to the point. 258 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,040 And I think that the way I'm starting to think of it, just even after this conversation, 259 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,360 it's like, we, we talk about all these things surrounding the words that were actually spoken. 260 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:53,320 And when we pray this prayer, all those things are coming into our mind and wrestling around 261 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,320 in there. 262 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,320 It's almost like a reset. 263 00:17:55,320 --> 00:18:01,000 You pray this short prayer and you get all of that extra that surrounds it, boiled into 264 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:07,160 your, into that one little section and that, that is what you're having to think about 265 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,040 as you pray it. 266 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,040 And it's genius. 267 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,040 I mean, it boils down the whole Testament, the idea of the kingdom and it hits all these 268 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,160 points and all of these things are coming and rattling around in my head when I think 269 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,240 about these prayers without having to actually read them. 270 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,280 Like it's a reminder. 271 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,280 Yeah. 272 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Like it's so cool. 273 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,360 I just love that. 274 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:33,040 In some ways, this prayer is almost like the, I mean, the beatitudes I could say is the 275 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,680 heart of the prayer, but the sermon, but this part feels like it's the heart too somehow. 276 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,680 You know, it's right. 277 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,880 It's almost in the middle. 278 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:47,840 It's, it's in the context of what he's talking about in Matthew six. 279 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:53,720 It feels like it just picks up that theme throughout everything we've been talking about 280 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,520 with the beginning with how it would be your name, right? 281 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,520 This is for God's glory. 282 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:04,520 And then each of those things, you know, it's not your public prayer for your own self. 283 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:11,080 For, you know, we were talking about how often we, we, if we start to pray this prayer, it 284 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,080 won't check. 285 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,080 Right. 286 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Nope. 287 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,080 It's not about you. 288 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,840 It's about God. 289 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:26,160 And relationship with God as a father and it's very personal and it just goes down to 290 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:34,960 so seeing God for how incredibly worth worthy he is, how holy he is and reorienting our 291 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,200 lives to his glory and not our own. 292 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,720 And all of those things are kind of in service of that larger theme, I think. 293 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,920 Yeah. 294 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,920 So if we have time, we have time for one more question, I think. 295 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,480 How did Jesus follow this pattern that he delineates in his, this prayer here? 296 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,360 How did, how did he use the Lord's prayer as a template? 297 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,760 Some examples that come to mind? 298 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:10,360 I thought immediately of Gethsemane is that was a, that was a time when of intense difficult 299 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:19,720 things for Jesus and it was a, it was, you know, it was literally life and death and 300 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:28,520 his prayer was if it's possible, after all the angst and anxiety of what he's going through, 301 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,240 I thought what I'd be praying is God, there has to be another way. 302 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,560 I just, I don't think I can do this. 303 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,640 I don't, I don't want to do it. 304 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,500 It doesn't make sense. 305 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:42,400 I'm the best thing that's ever walked on the face of the earth. 306 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Can I stay here a little longer? 307 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,080 It just doesn't, I just can't deal with it. 308 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:58,040 But Jesus, the words that we get are, if it's possible, may this cut past from me, but not 309 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,320 my will, your will be done. 310 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,760 And it's very succinct. 311 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:10,560 And maybe he went through a lot of other anxiety before he got to that point, but the point 312 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:18,520 that he got to was a mirroring almost of the language from the, from the Lord's prayer 313 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,200 here is not my will. 314 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:28,000 I, if it's, if it's possible, please let it pass, but I don't want this to be what I 315 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000 want. 316 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,680 I want it to be what you want. 317 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,600 Yeah, that's so good. 318 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Your will be done. 319 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,120 That's the one term that I think sticks out in my head the most about the Lord's prayer, 320 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:42,920 but actually just going through the, this whole section here, I mean, in verse 41, he's 321 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:48,400 in Gethsemane and he says to his disciples, pray that you will not enter into temptation. 322 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,400 Same word. 323 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,400 Yeah, yeah. 324 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Same word. 325 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,640 It's like, that's fascinating. 326 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:59,320 I mean, like he even puts that in there and it says, my father, you know, it's God that 327 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:06,840 invoking the father as, as the ultimate and like his authority over his own is just like 328 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,960 that one prayer is fascinating. 329 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:16,080 And then there's also the idea of the name. 330 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Like I'm just so stuck on the, the idea of the name as a, as an important point in, in 331 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,920 Jesus and in the history of Judaism and in the whole Old Testament and the Holy Scriptures 332 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:36,920 and when Jesus prays to be glorified in John 17, says, I revealed your name to the men 333 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,880 who you gave me out of the world. 334 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,880 I mean, he's revealing the nature and name of God. 335 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:51,280 And when we pray to respect that, like, or treat that as holy and hallowed, like it's, 336 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,280 it's about Jesus. 337 00:22:53,280 --> 00:23:00,800 Like he, it, it doesn't say I, I Jesus am all of these things in the Lord's prayer. 338 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,880 He's just teaching us how to pray and we're praying to the father, but I mean, Jesus is 339 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,920 representing all of these things. 340 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,920 Yeah. 341 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:13,440 And he, he acts on it after he says his prayer, he lives the exact prayer out. 342 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,560 Like he's not tempted. 343 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,600 He's the one that actually brings the kingdom. 344 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,520 He's the one that actually treats the father as holy and respects him. 345 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,720 And he does his will, not his own. 346 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,680 And like he just fulfills this whole entire prayer after he says it. 347 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,680 Yeah. 348 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,920 It's pretty awesome. 349 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,720 It's pretty, it's just so cool. 350 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,280 And his own prayers, like just show that they're threaded with the same themes. 351 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,280 So cool. 352 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,280 Yeah. 353 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,360 John 17 is like this long form prayer. 354 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,440 It's one of the longest, I think it's the longest one we have that Jesus gives. 355 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,640 And so, you know, it starts with Jesus calling God father. 356 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,160 He talks about glorifying. 357 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,880 He asks God glorifies Jesus, his son, so that your son may glorify you. 358 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,720 So it's all about God's glory. 359 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,840 He's praying for his followers, you know, this communal aspect that God's going to 360 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,000 strengthen us, protect us, protect us from the evil one. 361 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,760 So there's a lot of those same themes in there as well. 362 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,880 And that prayer feels particularly poignant for me because it's, it's what Jesus is kind 363 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:26,080 of leaving with his disciples right before he goes to the cross. 364 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,360 And obviously he leaves us much more, but that he, you know, near the beginning of his 365 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:35,400 ministry teaches them to pray in Matthew six. 366 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,520 And then in John 17, he's showing them one more time how to do this. 367 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,120 I think that means a lot. 368 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,120 Yeah. 369 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,120 Yeah. 370 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,000 This was the one I thought of too, right away. 371 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:52,000 All of the similarities you all have mentioned about the father, glorifying him, you know, 372 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:59,080 sending his followers out into the world just as he was sent and that, you know, keep them 373 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,800 from the evil one, right? 374 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,000 I mean, there's just so much in here that it's wonderful to see he's so consistent. 375 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,160 He's not like verbatim doing everything or even necessarily like he jumps around a little 376 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:16,560 bit, but those things are right in the heart of what he's praying. 377 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,560 This is awesome. 378 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Yeah. 379 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,560 This is really great. 380 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,560 Thank you guys. 381 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,560 Thanks. 382 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Terrific. 383 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:47,840 Okay, we did it in one. 384 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,840 That was good. 385 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,360 I'm glad we got that in one because that would have been a really short one after that. 386 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,560 Let's recap everything we just talked about. 387 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,240 After we did the recap, it would have been like one more statement. 388 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,640 Yeah, that was good though. 389 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,640 Thank you guys. 390 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,360 I was very interested to see how this was going to go. 391 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:11,920 Like I had no idea how I was going to behave when like the, you're actually, you know, 392 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,840 it's on record because I'm usually a ranter. 393 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,840 Yeah. 394 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,000 You needed well, raining it in, but still letting your excitement go. 395 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Yeah. 396 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,400 I've been on for a long time.