1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Hey, I'm Matt Brownell. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 And I'm Van Owens. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000 And I'm Tim Adams. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Welcome to Climbing the Mountain, where we dive into the scriptures and discuss themes, connections, and real life application. 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:33,000 We're kicking off a series here where we're going to examine the sermon on the mount and discuss implications for this teaching for Christians today. 6 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:40,000 This has been a very fruitful discussion, digging into what Jesus means by fulfilling the law. 7 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:52,000 It led us to question our very existence in space and time to what the role of the law may be and how those who lived in Jesus' day interpreted and misinterpreted the heart of it. 8 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Jesus calls us to a righteousness that surpasses that of the Pharisees. 9 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,000 The law was not intended to be a job description by which we merit God's favor, 10 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:11,000 and thankfully Jesus opened a new way for us to not be under law anymore or burdened in that kind of mindset. 11 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:18,000 The law was, however, intended to teach us the way of love, and nothing about that purpose has changed at all. 12 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:25,000 We just have a greater revelation of what it means in Jesus' teaching, both his life and words. 13 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Last time we read Romans 13:10, which says, 14 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Love is the fulfillment of the law. Likewise, in the Sermon on the Mount, in Matthew 7:12, Jesus gives us the golden rule. 15 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,000 So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them. 16 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:47,000 For this is the law and the prophets. 17 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Loving others in a way that not only does no harm, but is also proactively doing acts of love is what is intended. 18 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,000 However, we have to be careful when we say love is the fulfillment of the law, 19 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 that we don't adopt a worldly view of what love really is. 20 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:10,000 I think I want to pick up there again as we continue to talk about how love fulfills the law. 21 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Because where we left off last time was that we were just getting to how hard it is to actually love, 22 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,000 like Jesus teaches, turn the other cheek, be wronged financially. 23 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,000 It's something the world thinks is crazy and really pushes against. 24 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:33,000 There's a natural revulsion against what seems to many like too much or going too far. 25 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Jesus' definition of love causes many to either disregard as an impossible ideal, a fairy tale, or nonsense, 26 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 or just something we don't really like. 27 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:52,000 If we're really honest, we don't want to love like Jesus teaches. 28 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:59,000 It is radical. It is uncomfortable. It inconveniences us. 29 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 All of these aspects of love are totally against the values of our society. 30 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,000 But it's not just have it your way, right? Away. 31 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,000 First 21st century United States that squirms at Jesus' words. 32 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,000 How we feel and respond to Jesus isn't new at all. 33 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 It reminds me of a famous story Jesus once told when he faced the same dynamic in his time. 34 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:29,000 You know, when you had the scribe or teacher of the law come up and, hey, what's the greatest commandment, Jesus? 35 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:36,000 And he gives them the greatest, love the Lord your God, with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. 36 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,000 And the second is like it, love your neighbor as yourself. 37 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,000 But what does he do? He says he wants to be justified and say, well, who is my neighbor? 38 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Kind of slip out of that one. And then we get the parable of the Good Samaritan. 39 00:03:52,000 --> 00:04:01,000 And I think that that is the typical reaction of somebody who lives under law. 40 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Because he wants, what's he looking for? He's looking for a loophole. 41 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Who is my neighbor? Define that word neighbor, Jesus, for me so that I can justify the fact that I don't really love Matt. 42 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Because somehow Matt doesn't fit in my definition of neighbor. 43 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:46,000 It's the difference. And it is love. And Jesus spends a lot of time talking about it, both directly and indirectly. 44 00:04:46,000 --> 00:05:01,000 I think it's a big, big topic. And I think you see in the story of the Good Samaritan, he highlights a difference between the Jews and the Samaritans. 45 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:11,000 The Samaritans were looked down upon. Oh, this defiled, they had battles where Jews went and stormed Samaria and destroyed their temple. 46 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:21,000 And no love loss there. And he uses this Samaritan as the one, and what does he say at the end? The one who showed mercy. 47 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Getting back to one of the Beatitudes. For someone who was totally different than him. 48 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:35,000 Someone that would look down on him. But he's in need. Let me help him. 49 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:47,000 And when, you know, it's funny because you got like the equivalent of like a preacher and a song leader go right past him. 50 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000 No. 51 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Right. 52 00:05:51,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Could I read the rest of this kind of section in Matthew five and ask a question based off of that? 53 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Sure. 54 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:10,000 So we've been talking all about verse 17 and then just barely started to talk about verse 18. 55 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,000 I'll read all verse 17 through 20. 56 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,000 It says, Do not think I've come to abolish the law of the prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 57 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:28,000 For truly, I tell you until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished. 58 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Therefore, anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. 59 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,000 But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 60 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:48,000 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. 61 00:06:48,000 --> 00:07:00,000 So I think we kind of touched on this a couple episodes back of like surpassing the righteousness of the Pharisees, but I don't think we talked about it too much. 62 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And I think it's important for us to discuss it like in this conversation, we're talking about fulfilling the law. 63 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:23,000 I guess the question I have in the short term, Van, is like, how can I have my righteousness surpass that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law and not feel under law? 64 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Right? Like that part of part of me feels like that's just that feels burdensome, right? To have that high of a bar. 65 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:45,000 And so can you talk some more about how you think that that's that's a command of Jesus that we if we don't have that, we will not. 66 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 And you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven, right? 67 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:57,000 So how can we have how can we have a righteousness surpass that of like the Pharisees and not feel totally burdened? 68 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Like actually embrace the fact that Jesus says like my yoke is easy. 69 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 My burden is light. 70 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Well, so I'll answer that question like I answer almost every single question that anybody ever asked me about the Bible. 71 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 I'm not sure. 72 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:18,000 And I will dig deeper into it in my personal study. 73 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:24,000 But I can tell you what I think based on what I know right now is that. 74 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Well, so first of all, when you think of Pharisees, it's very important. 75 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Or it was very important for me to understand who the Pharisees actually were because I just had a very simplistic picture of them as the bad guys in the New Testament. 76 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 They're the bad guys. 77 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Pharisees are the bad guys. 78 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Disciples are the good guys. 79 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Black hats and white hats. 80 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Right? 81 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,000 And and obviously that's a that's a severe oversimplification. 82 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:00,000 There's really no such thing as black hats and white hats anywhere in the world. 83 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 All of our hats are variations of gray. 84 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 So that's part of it. 85 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:24,000 And I think that the key there is when he says in verse 19, but whoever practices and teaches these things that it's that again, it goes back to the it goes back to the practice. 86 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,000 It goes back to the doing. 87 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:40,000 And part of where the Pharisees started to fail is they became they became too self congratulatory. 88 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:51,000 They became too full of the fact that we're the ones who are actually doing it to the point that they stopped doing it. 89 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:58,000 They became, you know, it's the parable of the the the Pharisee and the tax collector. 90 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Thank you, God, that I'm not like all of the evil people who don't pay attention to your law. 91 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:20,000 And I give a tenth of everything that I have and I and they they just lost track because they had gotten so well at obeying the. 92 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:32,000 The the the hedges, they got so they got so good at maintaining the hedges that they put around the law that they never paid any attention to the law. 93 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:41,000 And so they would they would they would say, I can't give money to my parents because I've promised it to the temple. 94 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000 I can't support my parents. 95 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:58,000 And therefore, and what they were doing was they were ignoring the law that said, you know, honor your father and mother by honoring a law that they created themselves. 96 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 So they lost track. 97 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,000 And I think that that is that's what the Pharisees did. 98 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 And I think it's a human tendency. 99 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Yep. 100 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,000 We always need something to put us back on track. 101 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:23,000 And that is that is that is when you think of it that way, you're more fulfilling the law instead of being under the law. 102 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,000 I hope that kind of answered your question a little bit. 103 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 But I think it's a really good question. 104 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:36,000 And I think it's really worth contemplating because that's one of those verses that when you read it, it takes you back, right? 105 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 You're like, so I have to be more righteous than a Pharisee. 106 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Impossible. 107 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Can't do it. 108 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Yeah. 109 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,000 And I think you, you're right. 110 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 The Pharisees, Jesus described them as whitewashed tombs. 111 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,000 And it really is something that God sees on the inside. 112 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,000 He sees our hearts, right? 113 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:03,000 And I think there is a quality of relationship and trust on God instead of trusting yourself because that's what the Pharisees were ended up doing. 114 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And that's why Jesus called them hypocrites, literally actors. 115 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:14,000 And, you know, they were putting on a good show, but they didn't, they didn't really mean it from their heart. 116 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,000 It wasn't like an expression of overflowing love and gratitude to their creator. 117 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,000 It was, I've done this job. 118 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Now I deserve my wages and Paul turns it on its head. 119 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 You're a sinner 120 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 So you deserve death. 121 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 That's the only thing you can earn in that system. 122 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Unless you are viewing it differently through a lens of relationship with God, your father, who loves you and you're trusting in him. 123 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 And then the righteous will live by faith in a sense that way. 124 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:57,000 And I think to me, it conjures up other verses that Paul writes, you know, when he talks about love tying it back to does love fulfill the law? 125 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:10,000 You know, he said, you know, in 1 Corinthians 13, before he gets into describing all of how wonderful the law of love is and beautiful, you know, people recite these at weddings all the time, right? 126 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:22,000 But before that, he says, Hey, if I do all this religious activity and even offer my body up to the flames, but have not love, it's meaningless. 127 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 It's worthless. 128 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 I have nothing. 129 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:30,000 And you got to think like, Oh, wow, you could do all that and not have love. 130 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Right. 131 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Right. 132 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Exactly. 133 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Yeah, it's true. 134 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:51,000 And there's when I was studying for this, there's a early Christian called Lactantius and he just says, like, what you say has no power unless you actually do it. 135 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 That sounds like that's kind of what you guys are saying with the Pharisees. 136 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Like they, they were professing, they were actors, right? 137 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,000 They professed, they became actors at some point along the way. 138 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 I mean, I don't think they were always that. 139 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Right. 140 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:14,000 But they're professing one thing to follow the law to follow God's commands in his heart, but they had, they had lost sight of it. 141 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:26,000 That is when we come back to the Sermon on the Mount, it's, it's hard to actually think about what Jesus is saying without talking about. 142 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,000 You can't, it's harder to be an actor. 143 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,000 I think it's still possible. 144 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Right. 145 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:42,000 But it's, it's hard to look at a scripture that says to, to not be angry and to settle, like leave your gift at the altar. 146 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:52,000 So you can go be reconciled to your brother and, and feel like, oh yeah, I'm totally doing great. 147 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:57,000 If, if I'm, if my life is full of strife and chaos. 148 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Yeah. 149 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:11,000 But yeah, I just, I think I'm going to need to keep on wrestling with this because it's, it's really hard for me personally to, to get this, to get that. 150 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:28,000 That walking with Christ in like a relationship means living out all of these teachings and for that to be just an absolute joy. 151 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Right. 152 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Like that, that sense of seeking after righteousness and like just being pure at heart for they will see God. 153 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:47,000 I think it's, it's so easy for me personally to like get lost in the weeds and I don't actually see God and there's something in my heart that's not pure then. 154 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:54,000 So I know that as we're continuing to talk about the Sermon on the Mount, that's one of the things that's in the back of my head. 155 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Yeah. 156 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:08,000 How, how do I embrace living a life that is fulfilling everything that Jesus wants me to fulfill. 157 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Right. 158 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:19,000 And to experience the abundance that he promises with that because I, I can get bound up and thinking that all I just need to do the things. 159 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 But then I'm not experiencing abundance and so I'm like, I know there's something off there. 160 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,000 So, yeah, I, and I feel you on that. 161 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:39,000 I think that if once you've been a Christian for any amount of time, you start to run up against this thing where is my faith is my religion performative. 162 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Am I just, am I just out of habit doing all of this stuff that makes me look like a man of faith? 163 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000 Or am I really a man of faith? 164 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:58,000 I asked myself that question every day, sometimes, and a lot of times multiple times during the day. 165 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:06,000 So much so that I thought I need to find out what the opposite of performative is so I can know what that is. 166 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 And I couldn't really find anything. 167 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:19,000 If I couldn't really, the best one I found said behavioral and I thought, but isn't my behavior how I perform? 168 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Or doesn't my behavior somehow affect the how I- 169 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Aren't they the same thing? 170 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 And I think in some ways they are. 171 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:39,000 And I, this is, this is something that I tell, that I tell every young Christian who asked me, how do you stay a Christian for all those years like you've been? 172 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 And I said, it's a, it's such a thin line. 173 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,000 It's that, you know, it's that straight and narrow path. 174 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:56,000 And it's impossible to stay on unless you're wrestling almost the whole time. 175 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:08,000 You have to be, you have to be constantly engaged in that tension of, am I just, am I just talking a good game? 176 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Am I just performing? 177 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Is this just become my habit? 178 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Or is it real? 179 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And the only way to really know is to be deeply and individually and constantly connected to God through the Holy Spirit. 180 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Yeah, I think that's it. 181 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:40,000 I think for me, it's surrender, which then sets me free. 182 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,000 You know, when I surrender my, I'm trying to do it on my own power because that's my natural inclination. 183 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:52,000 And then I surrender, what a weight off, you know, and I'm trusting God's word again. 184 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 I'm trusting him and that he'll take care of me. 185 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,000 Okay. 186 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:02,000 And then suddenly the way I act after that is a lot different than when I'm, oh, rigid. 187 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:18,000 And I think the other thing I was thinking is you guys are talking, I mean, the Pharisees are, I think a warning to all of us that we, it's so easy because it's natural human nature to try to do this on your own and fail every time. 188 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:24,000 But I was thinking about how there is a sense that you do labor, right? 189 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,000 Labor of love for 1 Thessalonians, Paul's grateful for their labor of love, right? 190 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,000 So, but love, I think is foundational to that, to that labor. 191 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,000 It energizes and I think the faith is the thing that connects it. 192 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,000 And I think for me, there's a scripture I want to read from Galatians. 193 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Galatians 5:6. 194 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:59,000 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. 195 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:05,000 And then further on, he talks about how the fruit of the spirit is love, right? 196 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:11,000 And I think I get the sense that there is this, the Holy Spirit working through us. 197 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Again, I loved one of the earlier discussions we had about the Holy Spirit being so integral, even though he's not explicitly referenced in the Sermon on the Mount, you get the sense you need God to do this. 198 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Yeah. 199 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:31,000 So, what does it mean to live more righteously than the Pharisees? 200 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:37,000 It's to live a life where it's faith working through love. 201 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000 That sounds like, yeah, I think that's a lot of it. 202 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 That's it for me. 203 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Like, your faith is energizing into love. 204 00:20:47,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Paul says to Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:5, the aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith. 205 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Yeah. 206 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000 I mean, that's helpful for me. 207 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:17,000 And I see so many parallels there with what Jesus says in the Beatitudes when he starts this whole thing about being poor in spirit and recognizing our need for God. 208 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,000 And that is... 209 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:32,000 But then also knowing that if I'm poor in spirit, Jesus promised not to let me hurt the kingdom of heaven. 210 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:44,000 So, like, I can have a sincere faith recognizing my weakness, but also that God is working with me in this process. 211 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:52,000 So, we're running short on time here, but I do want to wrap this up a little bit in it. 212 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:59,000 And I think there's a scripture that does it for me when we're talking about the Old Testament and the New Testament, the two covenants. 213 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:05,000 And in Romans 9, because I want to connect these two. 214 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:11,000 I think that they're on the same foundation of faith working through love. 215 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:20,000 And Paul says in Romans 9:30, what shall we say then that Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it? 216 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:30,000 That is a righteousness that is by faith, but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. 217 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Why? 218 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. 219 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:55,000 And you hear that big as if the law was intended from the beginning to be obeyed through faith in the God of the Exodus or the God of the resurrection. 220 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Right? 221 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Right. 222 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 That's interesting. 223 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:05,000 I've actually never noticed that, those two words, in quite that clarity, Matt. 224 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:10,000 I just appreciate you sharing that. 225 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:34,000 Yeah, it's to think that in a way, I mean, just as there were faithful people in the Old Testament who walked faithfully with God and did pursue obedience to the Mosaic covenant as faith. 226 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Yeah. 227 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,000 We got a Hebrews 11 full of them. 228 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Right. 229 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,000 That's their lotted for their faith, all Old Covenant and all faith. 230 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Yeah. 231 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Yeah. 232 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,000 I mean, that does, it helps me to see the continuity here of what Jesus said 233 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 I'm not abolishing the law. 234 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 I'm not blowing it up here. 235 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,000 This is a fulfillment of what came before. 236 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000 He's just, I don't know if it's, we say he's just making it clearer or he's right. 237 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:16,000 He's fulfilling, he's climaxing and he's culminating it, but that this has been, this has been God's way of working with those people for forever. 238 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000 It's pretty cool. 239 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Yeah. 240 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,000 It is. 241 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,000 It is. 242 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,000 Thank you for this discussion on what it means to fulfill the law. 243 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Next time we dive into the topic of anger, which is such an important topic for us to listen to Jesus' teaching on in our day and age. 244 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Thank you.