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Hey, I'm Matt Brownell.

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And I'm Van Owens.

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And I'm Tim Adams.

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Welcome to Climbing the Mountain, where we dive into the scriptures and discuss themes,

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connections, and real life application.

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We're kicking off a series here where we're going to examine the Sermon on the Mount and

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discuss implications for this teaching for Christians today.

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Welcome back.

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This is our fourth episode now on anxiety and just another disclaimer.

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This is for the 95, 90, whatever percent of the time, you know, the anxiety that you get

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from worrying about things that in the world that just come along.

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And it's not for someone who is dealing with crippling anxiety.

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If you are, please, we want you to go get help.

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Talk to someone.

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Go see a therapist.

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Get medication.

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And then come back to these words, because these words are life.

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This is Jesus talking to us, and his words will help us to train our eyes on God, who

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is our good master, who knows everything about us and loves us and will provide for us.

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He is concerned about, we looked at the birds and the flowers of the field.

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And if he's so concerned with the details of these small birds and adorning the flowers,

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we know that he will take care of us.

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And so we can trust him.

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He is good.

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Let's come back to the scripture and start from there, Tim.

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Yep.

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Therefore, I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink, or about

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your body, what you will wear.

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Is not life more than food and the body more than clothes?

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Look at the birds of the air.

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They don't sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.

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Are you not much more valuable than they?

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Can any one of you, by worrying, add a single hour to your life?

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And why do you worry about clothes?

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See how the flowers of the field grow.

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They don't labor or spin.

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Yet I tell you that not even Solomon, and all his splendor was dressed like one of these.

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If that is how God closed the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is

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thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, you little faith?

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So don't worry, saying, what shall we eat or what shall we drink or what shall we wear?

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For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows you need them.

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But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you

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as well.

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Therefore, don't worry about tomorrow.

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For tomorrow, worry about itself.

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Each day has enough trouble of its own.

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Thank you.

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So the approach we've been taking here is to look at the different arguments that Jesus

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is making, and to use our brains, and to think through the arguments to help us battle anxiety.

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And so instead of running after the things that make us anxious, doing this thought exercise,

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and now we're getting to, in verse 30, some of the heart of what we've been discussing

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for a while now, what causes anxiety, little faith.

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And Jesus is using, I think it's, he may have just, I don't see it in other areas outside

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of the Bible.

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We translate it, you of little faith, but it's really little and faith, a conjunction.

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It's like he's calling them little faiths.

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He says, will he not much more clothe you, little faiths?

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Which there's something, I don't know, maybe not entirely endearing about it, but it does

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feel compassionate.

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He's addressing us as someone he wants to help.

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So the argument Jesus makes in verse 30 points back to God's character again.

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How does this statement about how God clothes grass and Jesus' comment about faith help

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us not be anxious?

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Yeah, this was interesting because when you brought up the fact that it's, you know, not,

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it doesn't appear many times.

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It looked like, oh, where else does it appear, right?

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And one of the places is Jesus is like asleep in the boat and the disciples are terrified

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because they think they're going to drown.

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Other ones to Peter, when he's been walking on water and then he falls into the water,

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he's scared and Jesus says, you have little faith like in that moment.

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And I've always wondered about that because I'm like, Peter's doing a pretty good job.

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To anxiety-ridden situations.

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And you know, I think how is Peter's faith little there?

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It's not that it's more little than the other people that are in the boat terrified, but

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it's little in the sense that compared to, you know, where it could be based on the thing,

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the person he has faith in, it's small.

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You know, my faith in like this plastic table being able to hold a thousand pounds or whatever,

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like it's not like maybe, you know, but probably not.

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So like my faith in this table is not significant.

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My faith in God can be significant because God is capable of like carrying that faith.

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So that's that I have not thought about that connection until you brought this up, Matt,

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but it seems like, you know, that just is saying you have a certain amount of faith,

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but it can be so much more if you allow it to grow.

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Wow, that's a really good point.

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Your faith can.

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So Tim, on that a little bit on that is that I think one of the what I wrote down for this

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is that usually when I'm, this is Jim and this is not everybody.

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So we have made the disclaimer that like if you're having crippling anxiety and you need

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help, please go get help.

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Most of the time I'm not just anxious about nothing personally.

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Like it's there's usually a reason I'm anxious.

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There is a cause of my anxiety.

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It's not just I like when I was out of work, I was anxious and I was waking up at 3am every

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day and I couldn't go back to sleep because I was anxious about like it was, there was

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a reason behind my anxiety and it's usually because there's a bad situation and I don't

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see a way out of it.

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Like I just don't see how this gets better.

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It just feels, I feel stuck.

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I feel like I can't get dig myself out of whatever hole I happen to be in and I don't

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see a ladder to get out of the hole.

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And so I think when I combine this with the previous statements Jesus makes, it seems

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like he's trying to reframe the situation as looking at it, that instead of looking

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at circumstances and looking at how bad the situation is, he's trying to say, look, there's

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this, there's this external thing that can feel overwhelming, but there's also a solution

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to the feeling of the overwhelming, which is to have my faith grow and to grow in my

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faith and that's not necessarily linear and that's not necessarily quick and it's not

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necessarily easy, but there is a way out of this.

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It may not be the way out I'm hoping.

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I usually, if I'm in a hole, I would like a ladder because I want to get out of the

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hole, throw me a rope so I can climb out.

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But Jesus is also saying, I won't, that's not necessarily how it works, but there is

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a way to get out of this situation and that's for your faith to grow.

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And I think on top of what you said, yeah, your faith in Jesus can grow and you can have

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more faith in him so that you can actually handle these stressful things and these anxiety-inducing

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things because they are real and in these people's world, these anxiety-inducing things

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for the people that we're struggling to eat, it's not like they're going to listen to the

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sermon and then all of a sudden, oh, hey, a bunch of food just landed on my table.

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I mean, they weren't going away and so Jesus gives them a path to improve.

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To improve.

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I love that.

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That is a great point.

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It reminds me of your faith which is more precious than gold, it being refined and this

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is so great that we can grow in our faith and that it is God who, because it's God, is

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the object of our devotion and this is a growth opportunity, our suffering.

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We talked about it before.

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The suffering, none of what Jesus is saying is suffering is going to avoid you now.

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Like you're just going to walk through magically life and nothing bad will ever happen to you,

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convert, quite the contrary actually.

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I think in, what does it say?

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In Acts 14 it says, through many hardships will enter the kingdom.

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I think that, you know, this all reminds me of a couple of different passages that have

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like a shocking start and then a comforting end.

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One is John 1633.

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I think it's 33 where Jesus says, in this world you will have trouble.

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And I'm like, great.

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I don't want to hear that.

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I thought I was coming into the church to avoid trouble.

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He says, in this world you will have trouble, but then he says, take heart.

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I have overcome the world and that the trouble, alleviating the trouble comes from being with

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Jesus and Paul goes a little bit further in Philippians chapter four.

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In verse six he says, do not be anxious about anything.

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And I'm like, okay, that means I am perpetually in disobedience of the scripture because

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I'm almost always anxious about everything.

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But he says, do not be anxious about anything.

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But then he says, but in every situation by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, present

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your request to God and the peace of God, which transcends all understanding.

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He doesn't say, we'll solve your problem.

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The peace of God, which transcends all understanding will give you exactly what it is you feel

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like you lack.

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He says, the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard your hearts and

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your minds in Christ Jesus.

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And that to me is the scriptural sort of prescription for the kind of anxiety that we're talking

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about.

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Because what I need is protection from, I love that it says protection for my heart and my

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mind.

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Something that transcends all understanding.

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I don't have to try to rationalize my situation and try to think I am upset about this situation

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and it's directly related to this thing that I did wrong in my past, or it's directly

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related to this thing that is wrong with society, or it transcends understanding.

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And he's going to guard my heart and my mind, my part of it is in those situations, prayer,

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petition with thanksgiving.

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And prayer in and of itself is an acknowledgement, I need God, I'm turning to God, I'm not turning

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to myself.

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And I think that's maybe a good transition into the next scripture, but I love what we've

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been talking about here with this, that Jesus is really highlighting here in his appeal

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to faith that for us to see God for who he is, God is all powerful, he's loving, he

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delights in the details of our lives.

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But so if we can just move on to the next verse then in verse 31, he begins with another

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therefore or so.

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It's a continuation of the argument begun in the previous verse, Jesus is tying together

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his examples now in a statement about God's provision for us.

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How does knowing God as our heavenly Father, which is a reiteration of the framing also

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found in the Lord's Prayer, how does that help us not be anxious?

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And then you were just talking about prayer, how do we use prayer to battle anxiety and

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also keeping in mind that previous episode we had on the Lord's Prayer, how does considering

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the pagans help us understand Jesus' argument here?

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So one of the things I was thinking of when you said knowing our heavenly Father is knowing

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the scriptures and knowing the text.

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And I think whatever anxiety-inducing situation I happen to have, the better I know the story

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of God's people, the more I can relate that situation to the story of God's people, whether

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that's feeling like I'm constantly running around and I think about Jacob who he never

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really settled, he was always through much of his own doing, having to relocate and kind

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of pick up and start new and never really had a great opportunity to sit down and be

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still and be, build roots.

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So or just general dysfunction and every single anxiety-inducing situation, I can see it in

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the scriptures and because I see it in the history of God's people, it makes me less

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surprised by it and it makes me think that this is not, I can pray through and go, instead

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of praying like, God, why is this happening?

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I can reframe in my prayers using the text to go, God, this is normal, this is part of

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living with you, I want to learn to handle this better.

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And instead of it being a prayer about, God, why is this happening?

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This shouldn't be happening.

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My prayer is, God, how do I handle this with you in the right way?

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Because I should expect this.

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I love what you're saying there, Jim, because it just reminds me how grateful I am that

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there are so many mess ups in the Bible, because I feel like I'm a mess up all the time.

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And it's great to see how God deals with people.

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And so to bring in the scripture into your prayer life, I think that's a really, really

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great thing that we can do.

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Yeah, I think it's important too that it's interesting that Jesus mentions the pagans

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here.

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And he talked about in the Lord's prayer, you shouldn't just babble on.

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I don't think he uses the word pagans there, I think he says Gentiles there.

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But the world in which they live, the Greco-Roman world, the gods were just like, you know,

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really powerful dudes.

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They were just people.

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And they were capricious, and they were sometimes nasty and vengeful for no reason.

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And so if you were praying to that type of God, then you do babble on.

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You say as many words as possible.

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Their concept of religion was to do as much as possible to appease as many of the gods

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as possible so that they will throw you a bone every once in a while and not throw a

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spear at you.

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And so they had to be very frenetic in the way that they pursued their gods, because

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there wasn't the assurance that God loves me.

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There was only the assurance that God is bigger and stronger than me.

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And for us, we have the assurance that God loves me, that God is a giver of good gifts

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to those that he loves.

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And so we can find solace and we can find peace, as it's said in Philippians.

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Peace for our hearts and minds when we settle down enough to remember who our God is, to

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remember that God is our Father, to remember that our Master is over us and has our best

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interests and our best selves in his mind all the time.

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And I think this is a great point you're making, Ben.

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And I think for our hearers, you might be thinking, well, I don't believe in the pantheon

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of gods.

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I mean, our culture is pretty atheistic.

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I think that I read a statistic.

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In the U.S., there are now, it's crossed the threshold of over 50% of people don't believe

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in any god.

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And don't go to church and all that.

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And the ones that do, we could, well, I'm not going to go there.

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We could do a whole separate podcast just on that.

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But the point is, what's the common denominator if you don't believe in God or any gods or

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anything like that?

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It's still all on you, just like the people back then, oh, I got to pray many words to

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oh, did I pray to the right God for the certain thing about the harvest or about this thing?

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And oh, I forgot.

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And oh, it's my fault.

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This is all messed up.

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And so the pressure is still on you.

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And instead of no, no, God is all powerful and isn't it wonderful?

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He loves us.

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Yeah.

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I was thinking about the way you were describing a van.

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I love the way you describe the gods of the Greco-Roman world because it's almost like

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they're like a wild card, like that friend that some of you might have had and some of

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you might not have.

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It's like he could be either real, he or she could be either fantastic and great or they

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could just completely flip out and you're like, OK, this isn't, I don't want to be around

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you anymore.

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That's sort of how those gods, when you read the story seem, that's why they're fun stories

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to read.

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But that's the thinking about it in the context of that's the gods of the Greco-Roman world.

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And if this is mostly a Jewish audience, they didn't necessarily believe that, but I have

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a hard time believing they weren't at least semi-aware of it.

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And so Jesus reassuring them that I'm not like that, the God you're with and the God

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you're choosing to serve in the first episode of this section we talked about, the God we're

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choosing to serve is not that.

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He loves you.

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You can trust that he loves you.

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He's not a wild card to use 21st century language.

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He's consistent.

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He will not just on a whim decide, I don't like you anymore and throw a lightning bolt

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at you.

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Well, in our world, it's maybe the equivalent to the pantheon of gods would be, OK, what

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do I need to make my life right?

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If I just get my health and nutrition right, so I'm going to focus on that.

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Oh, but I also need to focus on my career.

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And I need to make sure that my career is right in the right place and that I have, but

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I also have to focus on my family and make sure that everything in my family is OK and

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make sure that my marriage is good.

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But I also need to make sure I get my need time and I have to make sure that.

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And so those are those all become for us like a sort of pantheon of gods.

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And we don't know which one to pay attention to at a time.

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We don't we don't know which one to pander to it so that we can make sure.

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And then we and then we leave that one alone and we say, OK, I'm going to focus on my career

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now.

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And then suddenly your children are going off on the deep end.

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OK, I need to focus on my family now.

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But if I focus on my family, I can't get that promotion.

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And if I but if I don't get the promotion, if I don't take care of myself and get some

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me time and escape and get away, then I'm frenzied in my mind and you just like you're

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you're you're all out of chasing after these things.

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That's what that's what Jesus said.

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The the the the pagans chase after and it's always a chasing after.

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And with God, it's not a chasing after with God.

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It's a sitting and understanding that you don't have to chase it.

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He's given it to you.

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You just hit on something pretty profound there with comparing this to idolatry because

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I think you're right.

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These are things that we pursue, we desire and you're right when we when we give our

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attention to them.

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We we get all out of whack because in our life goes out of control because it gets back

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to one of the fundamental things.

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We should not be sitting on that throne.

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It should be God.

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Yeah, right.

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Wow.

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I think I love what we've been covering here.

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I'm going to maybe start another question.

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We won't probably have time to get through all of it, but I'll just say one other thing

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here, which I think we've been hitting on with this question that we just asked was

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about how I think what he's drawing out here with the the little faith statement.

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It's a continuation of that that really anxiety puts us on the same level as unbelievers because

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we are running around chasing like you said, Van, these things that everyone in the world

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everyone else in the world chases.

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We're not acting any different.

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And so our faith is not in God and the same things that make the the world worry or even

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thrill that people in the world should not be the same things that we do.

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And I love that we can have that piece that transcends understanding.

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I love the the Philippian scripture you shared.

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The other one I was thinking about was in 1 Peter 5 that we can cast all our anxieties

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on him because he cares for us.

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So let's just do another question another time.

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So what we looked at here was how great God is, how we can have faith in him that it is

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wonderful that we can because he is limitless and because he is the source of our faith,

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we can have real security and our faith can grow because we are looking to a limitless

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God.

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And yeah, we might have trouble in this world, but we can overcome the world because Jesus

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has, we can spend time with him, the overcomer.

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And our troubles can be alleviated.

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So I love what we've been talking about here, bringing in scripture, praying, really going

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to God.

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This has been a great discussion.

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Thank you.

