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Oh, oh, hello there. Welcome back.

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Well, I guess if you're just starting this series of ours, welcome.

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But if you're coming back, welcome back. And I am Kendall.

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And I'm Bri with Guest Star Boo.

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Hey, boo.

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Be here at Perrin. She's here again.

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And this is when the light goes out.

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She doesn't meow a lot, but that would be cute.

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That would be cute. Gosh.

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OK, well, oh, my God.

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I don't know why I'm so jittery today.

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I haven't had no coffee, but you know what?

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Probably the lack of coffee.

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Lack of coffee. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

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Lack of coffee.

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But I've also been very dedicated to the gym lately.

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I'm so proud of myself. Yeah.

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Thank you. I I'm sure everyone or not everyone,

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but I'm sure a lot out there go regularly and they're like,

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it's not that hard, but hey, it's a big step for me.

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So yeah, I mean, for some people, like, yeah,

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I had never stepped foot in a gym.

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And so Simon's sister took me one time or two times.

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Two times. Oh, first.

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Sounds like the first time I've ever been to a gym.

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Someone had to take me there.

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And I'm like, oh, OK, this is OK.

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I guess. And I only went because I wanted to hang out with her.

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Unless I wanted to go to the gym.

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I've been on a couple of dates, gym dates,

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which I don't strongly suggest those.

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Maybe you maybe you guys do.

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Maybe you guys are super big

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gym worker at outers at the time or something.

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And you guys love doing that stuff.

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But me, oh, no, I will never again.

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I feel like it's not like a very personable.

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No, at least not for like a first or second day,

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maybe like a couple of dates.

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Yeah. Or there's like this one time that I had.

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Oh, what did I do? Where do we go?

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Oh, girl, I got so many stories.

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You can't even remember.

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She's right. No, I. Where was I?

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Fuck. Oh, we went to get we went to do.

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Um, not yoga, but Pilates.

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We went to do Pilates together.

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But first we got high, like a first date thing.

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Yeah. OK.

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But, um, yeah, we had gotten high.

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Went into the little studio.

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He actually worked there, too.

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We went to a little studio and she's like, OK.

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No, she first day works there.

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Yeah, he does.

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Um, so, yeah, that that date happened.

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It was a nice little plotty sesh with one of his good friends.

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I work there and it was awkward because I'm like, at first,

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I didn't know he worked there.

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I was like, oh, you work here because we're like sitting

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as cars smoking or whatever.

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And he was like, yeah, I work here.

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I was like, oh, shit.

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So, yeah, there's that.

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I remember later later that day, I got a ticket from Detroit.

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It was like, whoa, it was like a whopping fifty five dollars.

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For what?

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For parking in a handicap accident.

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I was about to say it has to be a parking ticket

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because that's the only thing Detroit cops are.

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I guess that's not even the cops.

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So like the meter maids.

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Yeah, the cops in Detroit.

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You know, they're there.

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They don't care about shit.

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Well, in my driving, they don't care.

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Yeah, the beating.

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No, they don't care. They don't give a shit.

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Well, you're doing like a hundred and like a thirty five.

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OK, yeah, that that that's if you're doing like

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forty, forty five, fifty.

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Well, it's going to say I didn't even want to go at the time

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because I was downtown at like some some bar

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visiting a friend with a friend and I parked like on the street.

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And I didn't even know I was parking here like the handicapped

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because the sign was so far away from where I parked.

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Apparently still apply to that area.

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So I was like, you probably could have fought that shit.

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I know. And everyone said that at the time.

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I was just being lazy. I just paid it.

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Yeah, I mean, that's just annoying.

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And parking is so fucking annoying.

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Yeah. Oh, my God, I'm sorry.

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Well, fuck you.

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There. Yeah, I was just going to say, oh,

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Cass, that new thing where they they give me every time.

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Every time I park in real oak, they like have this like sensor thing.

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So like if you back your car up and you like park there,

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if you don't pay it right then and there, they're going to take a picture

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of her because they have little cameras next side of them. Yeah.

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Well, seriously, fuck you.

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And they're confusing.

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Like they are.

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Like, I don't know which one is supposed to be like the spot that I'm

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parking and like the number and like they're so high tech.

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Like I know how to pay a Detroit parking meter,

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but like a Royal Oak when I don't fucking get it.

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It's all like app. You have to go on the app.

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You have to get this shit. You have to pay it that way.

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I come here once I got in here.

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Yeah, they do it on purpose just to get you.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do it.

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Ten dollars.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do it so many other places.

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But yeah, there's that.

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But we won't waste too much more time on our little ticket talks.

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Our Ted talks.

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Our Ted talks.

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About our lives.

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We're just going to start before we even start our case today.

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Just a quick.

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I guess just some some news for you guys,

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just so you guys aren't too like, well, what's going on next episode?

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So we're at episode 29, right?

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Obviously episode 30 comes next week for you guys.

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And then that actually wraps up our first season, I guess, on our record.

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It does. Long enough.

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Seasons long season.

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Yeah, shameless or something.

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No, seriously.

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No, seriously.

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It's been two seasons.

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I know. Fuck.

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Yeah, we yeah.

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Yeah, well, we decided episode 30, we're going to cap it at that.

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We're going to leave you guys off with 30 episodes.

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We aren't we're not going to treat it like a real team.

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It's not like a TV show or anything.

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We're not going to just go away for a whole year or anything.

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We anticipate one second.

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Let me actually get my phone.

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I want to be wrong on this.

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I'm

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let me get my throat.

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So we will be returning.

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So we'll be completely just not posting anything all of April.

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We intend to be back on May 5th.

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dot it in your schedules, do whatever you do to remind yourself.

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But we will be we will be back.

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We just need a little break break.

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We just need a little break break.

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I think there's a lot going on next month for us.

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A lot of decisions being made, a lot of

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Bree is going to be finishing school soon.

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And by that time, I think in May, she'll just be in her way out.

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So yeah, we just got a lot going on in the next month.

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And we just really need a little time, if anything, on the show to just to catch up a little bit.

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I think it'll be really nice because we'll have a little area to just breathe.

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We can record whenever we want.

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And it doesn't have to be so late in the night.

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So I think that that was just some news that I wanted to run past you guys.

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And we'll of course just update you on everything that happens in the next month.

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We'll give you another reminder next episode.

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But yeah, there's that.

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I'll be in New York, which is exciting.

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And the big apple.

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But speaking of the big apple, a perfect segue into our case

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today, it takes place in the big apple.

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So let me just get all my notes for you guys.

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And let's just dive into the case right now.

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So today's case is called the back murders and the last call killer.

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And two for one special.

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A two for one double feature.

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I don't know why I got so excited.

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Unfortunately, yeah, two for one special.

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Seriously.

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All right.

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So this story initially starts in 1960s NYC.

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And prior to the devastating events of the back murders was

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yeah, another big event within the LGBTQ community.

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Man, what do people got against the gays?

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Girl. Oh, one quick thing I just remembered.

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Yeah, this is like our.

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How many times have we done?

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OK, last last week was it had gays included, but it wasn't fully gays.

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What are you doing, Bob?

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She's trying to bite the cork.

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I can't stop.

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OK, she's chilling.

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She's chilling. We're good.

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Sorry. Would it really be our show

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if we didn't get interrupted by Kat, at least once?

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No, it wouldn't be. You're right.

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I'm so scared as she jumps on like the laptop.

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It's over.

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So I don't think she will. OK, she's chilling.

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She she likes it.

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OK, anyways, I'm sorry.

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Jesus, we're talking about the gays.

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Yeah, we've done a lot of episodes on gays so far.

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We love the game. We love the gays.

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But yeah, so yeah, that this big event was the 1969 Stonewall

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protest and rebellion.

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And if anyone doesn't know what the Stonewall uprising was,

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it was truly a catalyst for the gay rights movement.

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And the United States and globally, quite honestly,

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on June 28th, 1969, the New York City police

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had raided this gay club called the Stonewall Inn,

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which is located in Greenwich.

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Sorry, it's called Greenwich.

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I think we said Greenwich before last episode.

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I can't remember, but probably.

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Probably, yeah, it's Greenwich.

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So that's Greenwich Village in New York City.

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The raid had it in fury.

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The raid had infuriated patrons and neighborhood residents

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that passed by and eventually everyone in the great

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global nation just kind of knew about it.

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And unfortunately, at this moment, people just had to watch

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police aggressively throw out just employees and patrons out of this bar.

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This event led to six days of protests and violent

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exchanges with the law enforcement that stood outside of the bar

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on Christopher Street and other neighboring streets and Christopher Park.

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Now, I did actually visit the Stonewall Inn before.

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It's the Stonewall Inn again.

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Is it's a club, a gay club?

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It's still running.

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It's still running. It's a great time, too.

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I went.

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What year is it?

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Twenty three. Twenty three.

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I went there in twenty twenty one.

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And yes. Yes.

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Yeah, we're going to say that. Yeah.

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I think that's when I went.

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I went in the first time, I think in twenty twenty two.

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Twenty twenty. Oh my god, I'm getting confused now. Fuck.

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I went in twenty twenty one for sure.

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And it was a really good time.

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I remember they were playing, I think it was like Madonna Night or something.

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I would hope there's such like an important

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peak of history, I guess.

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Yeah, for the community.

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So it's it's super.

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They would be, you know, still trucking.

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Still trucking along.

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Oh, yeah, it's it's it's definitely, I think, just a great place to visit.

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If you guys ever are in New York,

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Grumwich Village is just a nice place to be at.

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They have other places to go to.

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To I also find out that same trip

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that Kerry Bradshaw's house is also right around the corner,

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which I love because fucking love Sex and the City.

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And yeah, it's just a great time.

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So if you guys are ever there or if you live there, I'm sure you know about it

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already, obviously, but it's a great time to visit.

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So how does this pertain to the rest of the story?

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Well, first of all, after the Stonewall Uprising eventually ended,

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the LGBTQ plus community was thriving.

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People were dancing in the streets, people through block parties.

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The gays were gang.

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I'll just say that gays were gang.

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The gays were gang, darling.

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They're serving hot.

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They're serving flawless.

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They love it serving serving.

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They're serving the server.

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They were serving that swirl.

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I love it.

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Swirl.

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I'm also not sure if this sorry.

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Sorry, the term for my mic a little bit.

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It's a little loud.

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I'm also not really sure if this win was eventually inspired by

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inspired Bowen culture, but the art form actually started in Harlem, New York

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only one year later, which was in defiance of the laws, which banned

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individuals from wearing clothes associated with the opposite gender.

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So in which they just responded by having competitions and passions

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and, you know, in the opposite sex clothing.

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So I guess that that I guess I don't know.

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Maybe that was compared to I don't know if that was I don't know,

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had anything to do with the riots or was at least inspired by it.

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But that did happen at the same time.

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And a lot of good change was being made to the Gromwich Village community.

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Although it only took one monster to ruin that feeling of freedom from the LGBTQ

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plus community, because between 1975 and 1976, six dismembered corpses

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of unidentified queer men would turn up in the Hudson River in trash bags.

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Jesus, we really jump it right into it.

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We. Yeah, we went from who to how.

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So kidding.

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Now you did just hear me say unidentified.

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Queer men, I'll explain a little later how they were identified as queer in a sack.

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There was already this feeling that the queer community was not protected

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by those that were supposed to protect them.

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Cock off the police and the police especially did not take a liking to anyone

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who was gay at this time.

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I truly personally feel like this case, which is tied out the back murders,

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could have been solved way sooner had the police put in more care into the case.

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Though, unfortunately, the families of these men would never receive answers as to who

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and who had committed these murders.

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So I believe they're just remaining.

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Yeah. And they're just remaining chandos.

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Now, the system and the press failed these people because of their sexuality.

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People even started coining the murders, the fat, the gay, the gay, the gay.

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The murders, the fact and the back murders.

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Yeah. It's fucked up.

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It's like equally fucked up and like kind of like, huh, I see your humor, but okay.

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I see what you did there.

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I see you. Fuck you.

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Yeah. Yeah. Fuck you.

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So as we discussed in our last episode, Curse Films chapter two, if you guys didn't listen,

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go back to it.

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Yeah, they connect y'all.

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Yeah.

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In Suspicions did fall on a man named Paul Bateson who had oddly appeared as an extra

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in The Exorcist.

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Again, it's an interesting episode.

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We'll check it out.

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So during this trial, during his trial for the murder of Variety reporter Addison Varrell,

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many law officials and reporters were left questioning his ties to a case of male bodies

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found in the Hudson River.

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The suspicions grew after an old friend of his had claimed to hear Paul relish about

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killing and dismembering multiple men throughout New York City.

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He was never tried for the murders, unfortunately, because there was not enough evidence to

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victim of the six murders, but from little comparisons against what he had already did

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to one crewman.

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It makes sense.

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First of all, throughout this period, Paul was known to frequent a club called Anvil

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and a club called Mindshaft, which are two queer nightclubs where they were.

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I don't know if these nightclubs are really fully into the queer cell culture of leather,

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but Paul was recognized to be one that went to clubs that were leather clubs or leather

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nights or had leather nights.

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And if people don't know again.

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So like, I guess to explain a little bit, leather, the term leather, it's kind of, it's

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a, it's kind of like a, it's a title, it's kind of, I don't even know how to explain

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it really.

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It's like a title for a subculture of the queer community.

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Yeah.

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Who like, like leather bondage almost.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, explain that you explained it perfectly.

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Yeah.

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And it's not, I mean, I'm sure at the time people saw it as demonic or some shit.

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Oh, probably.

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It's 60s, right?

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70s.

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So yeah.

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Easy.

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Easy.

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And, uh, it was probably demonic as hell.

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Yeah.

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So unfortunately, I mean, that was the outlook on this.

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Already you're gay, then you're doing all this leather stuff and it's dark and it's raunchy.

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Not all leather, I will say not all leather parties or things like that are super,

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you know, intense things that people might think of when it comes to just leather parties.

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They just want to have fun.

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They just want to lay back and chill and do their thing, be free, whatever else.

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Be themselves.

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Be themselves.

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Yeah.

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And many men that would go generally went to keep things on the low and discreet.

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And Paul was known from those around him to be really into, again, the leather subculture.

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So when some of the body parts were found, so were their outfits.

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The outfits all were leather nightclub gear that tracked back to Greenwich Village, where

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a lot of queer men in the community frequented the two leather nightclubs.

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I guess they also had tattoos that were kind of like resembling the queer or like queer

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symbols.

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They also kind of gave it away, but that is pretty much what gave it away that they were

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queer.

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So there was that.

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And then there were never ruled a cause of death nor a name to any of the bodies.

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So unfortunately, that sucks.

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How did no one know that their people were missing?

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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No one knows.

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Like they, and I think the true problem about this case specifically is just that no one

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cared.

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The NYPD and the collected and the press and the collected them, they just didn't care.

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They saw them as the facts in the bags or whatever they call them.

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And I guess at that point too, like some of those people might have been disowned from

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their family and disowned.

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And that's yeah, I was going to say nine times out of 10.

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Yeah, if people are going to move to, you know, New York or something or at this time,

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at least they would definitely, if they were curious specifically, and they're on the streets

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or something, most of the time it was because their family says own them.

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So unfortunately, it's just sad to think that we don't know who these people were.

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They still have never identified who these people were.

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And the case is technically still cold because they didn't pin anyone for this murder.

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Like they didn't put it on anyone.

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So it's just out there.

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It's just still there.

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Which is just so sad.

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Now Bateson ultimately was sentenced to 20 years to life in prison in 1979 for the murder

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of Addison Verrell, which we talked about before.

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And he had served 24 years being released in August of 2003 and went rogue after somewhere

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in upstate New York.

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And no one was really aware for a long time if he was even still alive.

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But curious researchers later had found out from the Social Security death index that

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he in fact had passed away in September 15th of 2012.

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So he did end up passing away.

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But let's keep the scene going.

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We're still in New York, 1979.

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After Bateson had initially confessed to the murders, a lot of New York residents felt

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like they could just breathe again.

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And they could just, you know, go back to just things the way things were.

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And they could just live their lives in a happy life again.

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But sadly, in 1981, the global HIV AIDS epidemic hit.

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And it hit hard.

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By 1991, the New York queer community were struck with fear again because it seemed that

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the back murders weren't long ago and yet they have this epidemic but now more dismembered

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bodies turning up.

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Yeah.

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More dismembered bodies.

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On May 6th, 1991, sanitation workers collecting trash near the New Jersey Turnpike find dismembered

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remains of an unidentifiable John Doe spread throughout various trash cans all lined up

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next to one another.

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And I'll say that again.

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Bread throughout various trash cans lined up next to each other.

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That's not just you're throwing someone's remains into one freaking trash can.

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No.

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Oh, excuse me, chills.

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You're separating them and then placing them side by side.

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Yeah, like what's the point?

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You could have put them all into one.

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Yeah.

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And like that sounds morbid, but I don't know.

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It makes sense.

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Like, is this like as if they caused or they wanted this to happen?

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Yeah, the mind of someone who's crazy.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I don't, uh.

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So when police arrived to the scene, they had discovered around the trash cans a black

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blood stain bed sheet.

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Next to that they saw he saw.

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What was that?

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That was my hood.

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Oh, um, when police arrived to the scene, they had discovered around the trash cans

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a black blood stained bed sheet.

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Black blood stain?

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Yes.

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So it was already colored black and had blood all over.

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That's, you can't see a lot of blood on the black.

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Yeah.

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So it's been a lot.

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So yeah, and there was that.

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And then there was a saw.

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So the saw was like right next to it.

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And I guess like, I mean, he left all the evidence.

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He left all the evidence.

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And then on top of that, there was like late latex gloves and they're both completely

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covered in blood.

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Now the facts, the DNA, I guess this is the 70s.

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You and they didn't give a shit.

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Yeah.

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I don't think DNA.

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Well, technically this is the 80s.

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This is the 90s now.

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So technically.

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Oh shit.

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Yeah.

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They got shit for that.

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Wait, but wait, we'll get to it.

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They actually don't yet.

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We will get there.

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I promise.

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No, we'll get there.

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I promise you.

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Inside one of the trash cans though.

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So around we have all this scattered evidence and inside the trash cans just sits his wallet

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inside one of the trash cans where his body parts have been.

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This was identified as 54 year old Peter Anderson.

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I know.

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Peter was a investment banker from Philadelphia that had been primarily visiting Manhattan

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for a political fundraiser.

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Now Peter had been married twice to both women and separated from his second marriage the

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same year actually that he was unfortunately brutally murdered in 1991.

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My sources didn't say whether or not he was out to anyone but after his murder his friends

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would later comment that they knew he was kind of into men and after he had finally

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got divorced they had figured that he would kind of open up and be a little happier.

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But unfortunately he really never came out and leading up to his death.

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He just never seemed happy.

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So that this is really heartbreaking to even hear.

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He left behind two children and witnessed statements claimed that he had been seen

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last alive alone at the townhouse bar in Midtown.

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Now the townhouse bar was a piano piano almost a pizza piano and jazz club that a lot of

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older queer men have frequented at the time.

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If not older men it was just younger men attempting you know to pick up some sugar

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daddies.

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And I know right sounds like me.

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And then I think it's still running today.

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I'm not sure but I kind of watched one one documentary and it was going on.

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It was really recent.

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So I think it's still open and just not sure about the clientele these days.

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But any who July 1992 one year after the murder of Peter Anderson 57 year old computer cells

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rap Thomas Mulcah I hope they said that right was found in the same spot.

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Peter Anderson had been found on the same age.

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Yeah.

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So again it was found that he was dismembered and his remains were spread throughout several

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different trash cans and it was near the New Jersey turnpike.

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According to sources and court documents Thomas had a have been a father of four that lived

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00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,120
with his wife and children in Massachusetts.

504
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:10,280
Now his wife actually had reportedly known that Thomas was actively having affairs with

505
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,840
other men or at least she found out which I cannot imagine that situation that she was

506
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,960
in that has to be a lot.

507
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,920
Thomas had flown in from Boston for work in state of Manhattan and he actually had had

508
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:31,480
a presentation to give at the World Trade Center which rest in peace 9 11 and later

509
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,080
on during an investigation investigators would track Thomas's credit card down to the townhouse

510
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:44,360
bar once again where Peter Anderson was also seen last a month earlier.

511
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:50,960
Almost a year goes by so now we're in the spring time maybe May of 1993 and 44 year

512
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:57,040
old male sex worker by the name of Anthony Marrero is found dead similarly disposed in

513
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:02,840
trash cans after disappearing months earlier but this time he wasn't dumped at the New

514
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,640
Jersey turnpike the other like the other two.

515
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:13,320
Anthony's remains have been found in a very rural area of New Jersey this time so it kind

516
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:20,800
of sounds like maybe this serial killer is getting kind of creative and trying not to

517
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:27,000
get caught in by yeah getting crafty but it still seems like he's like he said before

518
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,520
getting a little I don't know like he wants you to find these kind of things because he

519
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:40,760
just had he wants like how can you explain it like he wants the five minutes of fame

520
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,800
without being caught exactly exactly like he wants people to know like what he's doing

521
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:54,240
but he doesn't want them to know who he yes yeah and yeah I do agree you're definitely

522
00:27:54,240 --> 00:28:02,160
wrong on that part and we'll see how far he gets with this so that same year July of 1993

523
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,680
another dismembered body of an unidentified man was found this time in Rockland County

524
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:14,320
New York at a rest stop off a highway after investigators took hold of the scene they

525
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:21,960
had a pathologist identify the John Doe as 56 year old Michael Sakara Michael Sakara

526
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:28,760
had been openly out as gay and he worked for the New York law journal and was last seen

527
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:35,240
at Grandwich Village the same area where the six queer men started disappearing a decade

528
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:42,280
prior and have been labeled the back murders hysteria had again turned into chaos in the

529
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:48,240
ltbtq plus community wanted this killer caught as soon as possible people were afraid they

530
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,480
were thinking you know I go out all the time now had to stay in the fear is around me I

531
00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:00,120
get it I get it so one big complication that arose from the New York police department was

532
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:08,760
that this killer's ML seemed really tricky this person this this person would go into

533
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:14,640
the city to find their victim but then dispose of them outside of the city limits the flock

534
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:20,360
of officers that came to help this specific case just seem to be a little more caring

535
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,120
or at least more authoritative of the situation rather than the last case I can actually say

536
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,840
but it's still got a little hard for this this case just because I guess it makes sense

537
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:40,960
if if something happens oh that's a weird situation because I mean in terms of the police unit

538
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,840
you kind of have to leave it to the people that find it I guess in another in another

539
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:54,320
kind of county or another area so I guess it does get a little gray yeah so eventually

540
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,200
press heck out word and since the serial killers and most seem to be praying on victims at clubs

541
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,880
before they closed they coined the killer the last call killer makes sense now the one thing

542
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:17,000
I skipped over that is crucial oh are you biting me no I'm so sorry I thought she was

543
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:25,320
trying to bite me I was like oh Jesus Christ she's not menace she's she is a menace she's

544
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:33,640
trying to play though no it's okay she's scared I didn't even I didn't even realize she was

545
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,400
that was your leg I thought she was trying I thought you had something dangling that she

546
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,840
was trying to get because I think she sees you move in the apple pencil around and she's

547
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,680
like oh I want to play with it yeah I think she was like thinking about jumping on you

548
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:52,240
god damn it boo okay I got my fear for the night and Jesus Christ the second time she

549
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,400
scared me so many times and then I scared you with my foot oh yeah you did give me a

550
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:07,840
little jumpy today so I'm sorry we're here left off the press eventually had coined the

551
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,240
killer the last call killer one thing I had skipped over that's crucial is when the several

552
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:20,960
bodies were found any evidence had already been found washed of prints so they had really

553
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,440
no nothing to go off of in terms in terms of the prints I know Bree had briefly mentioned

554
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,600
like towards the beginning that it seemed like weird that they left so many different

555
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:39,360
things laying around they did but there were no prints although there were one bloody hand

556
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:47,880
print found on one of the scenes but unfortunately right before this case happened they didn't

557
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:58,080
have any way to effectively look at the prints so yeah there is that the consistent murders

558
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,200
of queer men in New York did seem to stop for a chunk of time after the discovery remains

559
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,360
of Michael Sakara have been found in 1993 although families of all these victims were

560
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:17,280
left with no idea what happened to their loved ones who had done it and why there was not

561
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:25,840
a break in this case until 2001 so that really sucks and that means that eight years had

562
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:33,800
gone by with no lead or answers for any of these murders no justice so unfortunately

563
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,320
in situations like this where the case is never solved right away it just really becomes

564
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:46,200
forgotten about in the media and not on anyone's mind other than the victims loved ones I guess

565
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,120
and as far as anyone knew the killer could have been long gone at this point the only

566
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,800
reason that this case was even considered to be reopened prior to the break in the case

567
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:03,560
was because Thomas McCauley or I think it's McCauley the father of four his wife was so

568
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:11,440
persistent to get justice for him which is crazy this man was having an affair and she

569
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,600
still was there to find out what happened well I feel like in a way it's like yeah be

570
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,520
mad but also in a way it's like you still have love for that person yeah and I he did

571
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,240
have for other children too and like you still have love for that person he's the father

572
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:34,240
of your kids yeah I'm not surprised like I mean like if I was her I'd be upset like

573
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,080
yeah out that he was having affairs I'd be upset that he was cheating I'd be upset that

574
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:45,120
he wasn't living his true self yeah but you have to think I guess like he said if you

575
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,160
especially have four kids you've lived a long time together and you have a long history

576
00:33:50,160 --> 00:34:00,760
together it's not like a light switch yeah yeah so yeah that just really sucks and eventually

577
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:07,800
in 2001 like I said the case was reopened and now DNA testing had evolved to be able

578
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:16,160
to be applicable for the NYPD to use so this method of DNA testing is called vacuum metal

579
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:23,040
deposition deposition deposition yeah deposition probably out of where they know yeah something

580
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,160
like that and this technology actually came from the Toronto Police Department at the

581
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:34,040
time and they had allowed this type of tech to be used for this case for the NYPD so look

582
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:41,440
at Toronto stepping up to the plate like so this new technology allowed for police to

583
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:48,400
go back and recover fingerprints from the objects at the crime scenes and lift prints

584
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,520
so this new technology allowed for police to go back and recover fingerprints from the

585
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,920
objects at a crime scene and lift prints after this they can cross examine the prints with

586
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:06,680
anyone in the police database and figure out if it makes any matches luckily after running

587
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:16,640
a couple tests their system found a match to the fingerprints of a I said patriotic

588
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:25,440
what the fuck does I even mean I meant to say a pediatric yes what if I mistype is

589
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:34,560
it patriotic I said patriotic to anyone say where was wrong it's late yes thank you yeah

590
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:43,160
he had been a PGA page pediatric she said it nurse at the Mount Sinai Hospital and this

591
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:58,880
person's name was Richard Rogers all right now the question stands as to why a pediatric

592
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:07,120
pediatric thank you nurse was found in their database with a criminal record yeah no kidding

593
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,480
so it turns out that this Richard Rogers guy already had prints taken from a murder he

594
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:21,040
had already committed you know I just realized Bateson and Rogers now are both working in

595
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,600
health what's going on there in New York I don't know but moving on they really did

596
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:34,080
in 1973 Richard was tried for the murder of his then roommate Fred Spencer while attending

597
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:41,280
University of Maine apparently for unknown reasons Richard decided one day to grab a

598
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:49,680
claw hammer and beat his housemate to death with it but for reasons we we won't ever

599
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:59,200
understand Richard faced a murder trial for this and was just exonerated yeah so who the

600
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:07,000
fuck is this Richard Rogers guy well Richard Rogers was born June 16th 1950 in Plymouth

601
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:13,720
Massachusetts he was the eldest of five other siblings and was raised by both his father

602
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:18,360
which was he was a lobster man which I think it's like yeah I don't know if that's a cook

603
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,840
or you catch lobsters but his mother was a telephone operator so he had that he had

604
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:38,840
five siblings and I lost my place okay a telephone operator thank you since the early years Richard

605
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,880
parents kind of had a hunch that their son had been queer but that wasn't the main concern

606
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:52,160
because what the main concern was had happened in the late 1960s it was between either 1966

607
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:59,800
or 1967 I get both no matter the way I look at it Richard being around 17 at the time

608
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,880
had literally grabbed a knife walked next door to his utterly neighbor's house and just

609
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:15,160
stabbed her and it got him institutionalized and released in 1968 only one year later

610
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:25,360
yeah yeah yeah allowing him to graduate high school yeah now yeah I know same minus two

611
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:32,240
now in the university he attended Florida Southern College and he had went for his

612
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:38,360
bachelor's degree he was well known to be very quiet and very to himself but eventually

613
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:45,120
he graduated went to University of Maine in 1973 for a graduates program this is when

614
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:54,320
on April 28th 1973 Richard struck his housemate on the back of the head eight times according

615
00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:03,040
to autopsy reports Fratric Spencer was still alive he had been bludgeoned eight times was

616
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:12,200
still alive yeah it wasn't the official cause of death Fratric died from asphyxiation so

617
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,440
basically he was being bludgeoned to a pulp and wasn't enough for Richard so he just

618
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,600
decided to place a plastic bag over his head until he wasn't breathing so keep in mind

619
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:31,080
this was all happening in Maine at the time not New York so Richard drove from home near

620
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:38,240
the University of Maine down routes 116 until he got to a forest called Bird Street and

621
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:44,960
he had just dumped his body there like it was nothing he was found days later on May

622
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:54,680
1st 1973 by two cyclists and police found Fratric's post office key still in his pocket and they

623
00:39:54,680 --> 00:40:01,800
chased it back to the home where they found so much blood in the apartment crazy amounts

624
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:08,960
now no accurate reason came from the reason why Richard decided to do this to his name

625
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,960
but his housemate for no reason or his neighbor but his housemate and according to court files

626
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,480
on this case the two did not get along very well during this interrogation Richard claimed

627
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,760
that it was self-defense which he took to court to explain to jury insisting that his

628
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:32,120
roommate attempted to attack him with a roofing hammer he got a hold of it and struck Fratric

629
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,800
eight times in the head and after deliberating for only three hours the jury found Richard

630
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,600
not guilty how the fuck do you not find someone guilty you just whack someone in the head eight

631
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:50,600
times you then place a plastic bag over their head how is that not murder how is that self-defense

632
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:57,960
stab delayed like how many years ago yeah yeah he went yeah you're kidding you're kidding

633
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,760
me so after being acquitted in 1973 Richard had moved to New York where he practiced and

634
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,400
studied at Pace University's School of Nursing which quick side note I actually was supposed

635
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,080
to go to Pace University we see where that happened so I stayed here in Michigan shout

636
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:21,920
out Pace University a pace how's it going I have some friends there too well anyways

637
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:28,880
he graduated in 1978 and hired and was soon hired after into the Mount Sinai Medical Center

638
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:37,400
to work in the pediatric ward this led up to I said that right oh my god this led up to

639
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:45,400
2001 when the police finally got a lead on Richard who they learned have been a pretty

640
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:53,000
appalling person to say the least now we're back at May 28th 2001 so please want it Richard

641
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,360
to willingly come to the station they went to his shop at Mount Sinai where they tell

642
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:05,080
him hey we think you're a victim of credit card fraud will you agree to come with us

643
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:15,000
and come to the station to answer some questions and Richard just says yeah sure so stupid stupid

644
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:21,320
so as Richard gets to the interrogation room detectives just come right and say it sorry

645
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,080
dude but we're not here for some credit card scheme we've been investigating this murder

646
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:34,320
case and you're a prime suspect not a direct coat but that's a good part of what they

647
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,880
said at first Richard plate Koi acting like you didn't really know what they were talking

648
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:47,440
about then he admitted that he recognized the last known victim Michael Sakura but he quickly

649
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,640
realized that the police had already known and linked him to these murders so he just

650
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,800
came right out and said nothing more actually he just left it at that so he requested that

651
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,680
he just get an attorney until investigators could construct a solid case against him they

652
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:13,480
held this asshole bail bond at one million dollars so he wasn't going anywhere and and

653
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:20,320
during the search of Richard's home in Jersey investigators just started to find more and

654
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:28,040
more evidence to find Richard guilty of the murders and they would use this in court period

655
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:36,280
October 26 2005 was when his trial finally began during jury selection Richard was offered

656
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:43,280
a plea deal this plea deal said if he pleaded guilty to manslaughter he'd only receive

657
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:50,760
two thirty two year sentences with the possibility of parole after 15 years I said only that's

658
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:58,400
a self-life sentence on top of this deal he was also though offered another plea deal

659
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,960
that basically just said if he pleaded guilty to the third degree murder of the investment

660
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:10,440
baker that I had mentioned Peter Anderson he will only receive 10 to 20 years in prison

661
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:19,040
so you're telling so just to simplify this he's given these plea deals they simplified

662
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,960
it down to 10 to 20 years in prison for the murders of dozen or not even a dozen but who

663
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:31,440
knows how many people and they're just gonna be like yeah you can take it you can leave

664
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:40,200
it yeah yeah but fortunately Rogers decided to decline the deal so yeah I know right no

665
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:45,680
asshole deserves to be walking around freely like that now during trial several witnesses

666
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,200
testified against Richard some of these being some witnesses that discovered the slider remains

667
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,840
the fingerprint comparison analyst and the investigators themselves when searching through

668
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:04,200
Richard's home their investigators had told the jury that they reported finding a medication

669
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:13,640
often used as a date rape drug called for said highlighted passages in a book mentioning

670
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:22,840
decapitation and dismemberment a New Jersey roadmap marked exactly where the bodies have

671
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:33,520
been placed boiling hot see polaroids of shirtless men with stab wounds drawn on them oh my god

672
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,560
oh oh oh and you know what you know what else what carpet fryers found consistent to the

673
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:46,840
ones found on Thomas McCauley's body it's almost it's almost like he did it like oh

674
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:53,440
my god so they actually found him one more thing that they also found the plastic bags

675
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,520
the same plastic bags that were made by the same plastic bags or that bodies are found

676
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:07,800
in so there's that too one leak later in November 2005 after three hours and 45 minutes

677
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:15,720
of deliberating the jury found Richard Rogers guilty on all charges Richard was sentenced

678
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:23,000
to two consecutive life sentences for unfortunately only two of the murders the murders that he

679
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:30,480
was tried for were 44 year old Anthony Moreiro I think I said that right and 57 year old

680
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Thomas McCauley so that is pretty much the end of that story yeah wow yeah that that's

681
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:50,000
a whole lot of bullshit yeah I just thought that was a crazy case and I kind of hope I

682
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,800
kind of tied the two cases in kind of okay all around I just think it's just so crazy

683
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:05,680
that um two serial killers back to back like decade to decade or era to era could just

684
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:14,880
uh uh in the same place uh but I hope that you guys found that story interesting I hope

685
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,440
that um I don't even know what to say next after that how do you even come back for that

686
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:27,600
that's a lot as always our hearts go out to the families of those victims and that's just

687
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:34,480
terrible about the ones that didn't even get identified yeah yeah that is and it's like

688
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,360
it's like Paul is unfortunately not alive anymore so we will never know that's not unfortunate

689
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,640
well it's unfortunate is sake that like fortunate that we won't be able to know fortunate that

690
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,720
he's not alive because oh we don't yeah we don't we don't care about him but we do care

691
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:55,400
about the fact that he took to his grave yeah what he did with these people and we don't

692
00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:01,320
even know who they are yeah that that really is unfortunate part with the um which are

693
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:09,680
the side of things uh like uh it's just crazy to me but um he is still alive to this day

694
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,760
he is uh held in prison for the rest of his life but he is alive so if you like to send

695
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:24,880
him a box of shit you can do that go for it say it's from us it's fine well with that

696
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:32,160
um I think we can wrap up this episode for us uh stick with us till next week we have

697
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:38,480
a fun episode coming up for you guys can't wait for it cute spooky episode yay great

698
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,440
way to wrap up our season and um I think I think that's all I don't really have anything

699
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,640
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700
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:56,120
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701
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702
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703
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704
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up take it easy everyone bye you need the sound of like the clicking of a light bulb

705
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,640
click oh I should throw it in when you pull the lamp like a lamp shade down yeah shade

706
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:37,160
but the pull like that's got the chain oh I'm chained up we'll see you when the lights

707
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:44,160
goes up bye