1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,520 Before you start this episode a quick advisory. 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Today's episode does cover sexual assault and child abuse that some may find offensive. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,200 We understand if this may be a lot and we will see you next episode. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,160 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:37,680 Welcome listeners and newcomers. 6 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,160 You're all in for a treat today. 7 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:58,360 I'm Kendall and this is When The Light Goes Out. 8 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,360 Good day everybody. 9 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,920 I hope you're having a great wonderful week this week. 10 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,400 I know I fought through the week to get to the weekend. 11 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,480 But I'm feeling good. 12 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,640 I know you've probably noticed we did not post any content last week. 13 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,680 One of my friends actually asked me, y'all good? 14 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,240 Yeah, we're good. 15 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,240 We're good. 16 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:24,160 I really personally just needed a mental health week last week and I'm sure all of us can 17 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,560 understand with each other on that one. 18 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:32,400 I think a break now and then just really makes that much of a difference and just you know 19 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,040 makes you a better you. 20 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,040 I took away. 21 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,240 I took a lot more time. 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:44,320 I'm sorry to research our interesting topic today and I also took my fedas back to the 23 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:45,320 gym. 24 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:48,160 I mean, who would know that, right? 25 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:54,080 And I encourage you all of course to honestly take a break now and then really it's a lie. 26 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,600 It's a hard world. 27 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,720 The world is consistently moving and you just always need to wonder, hey, when can I take 28 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,720 my break? 29 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,000 When can I just sit down and just any who? 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,960 We're also probably wondering where the hell Bri is. 31 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,280 She she's she's okay. 32 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Don't worry. 33 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:20,360 Today we were supposed to record together, but she had took a spring to the leg. 34 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:26,200 She's fine, but the day was kind of taken away from her being at the clinic and I really 35 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,440 just didn't want her doing anything. 36 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,080 I just want her to chill, relax, do whatever she needed to do. 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,640 And I was just like, hey, I'll just do the episode myself today. 38 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:40,280 I'll make it pretty special for you guys. 39 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,360 And yeah, this is my first time hosting, so it's kind of weird. 40 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:49,400 It's kind of kind of cool, but kind of weird, kind of weird, but she'll be back, I promise. 41 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:55,080 And also before we dive into our case today, please, please, please remember to follow 42 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,000 us weekly. 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:04,600 Leave a review wherever you're listening and follow us on Instagram at WTLGL podcast. 44 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,840 We always post a carousel of topics. 45 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,340 Oh, sorry. 46 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:10,340 More like a carousel. 47 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:13,600 What is that thing that you call is it's called a carousel, right? 48 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Yeah, I think so. 49 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,800 I'm talking to myself now. 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,000 It is a carousel. 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,720 It's like one of those you probably know what I'm talking about. 52 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,320 But anyways, we post our topics on Instagram twenty four seven. 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,680 So if you ever want a nice reference to them, you want to just look back and you're like, 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,680 huh, okay, that makes sense to what's going on with the case. 55 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,440 That's where you go for us. 56 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:42,440 And you can also always email us at WTLGLIncrease at gmail.com. 57 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,840 If you guys have any listener tales, we haven't really talked a ton about that lately, but 58 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,480 I think that's more so because I mean, we haven't really got a ton. 59 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:58,680 And even if you think, hey, maybe it's a good idea, you never know, just send it in. 60 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,240 We'll read it and we'll see you. 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,760 Hey, so worthy or not? 62 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,760 No, I'm just kidding. 63 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,760 We'll probably love it. 64 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,120 Well, on that note, I won't waste too much time. 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,520 I know I could banter with myself forever, but we're not going to do that. 66 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,120 We're going to just dive into this case. 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,920 This case that we're going to cover today is a pretty gruesome one. 68 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:26,160 So I know that I put a sensory at the beginning of this, but still, I'm probably going to 69 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,600 give a little warning beforehand or I'm going to try to at least when things get gruesome. 70 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:38,880 But I feel like this case in general is laid out to be a pretty gruesome case. 71 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:45,680 So just know that the next two episodes will be related to this case. 72 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:52,120 And if that doesn't really work for you, of course, as always, we understand we never 73 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:57,200 want to really violate anyone's ears too much. 74 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:03,240 But I really also feel like a lot of the things that we put into these episodes are very important 75 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:09,120 and it really makes you come to realize that, hey, these things in the world do happen. 76 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,560 They happen around us all the time, way more than we realize it. 77 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:19,880 And it's just really nice to know that as the podcast are feeding this history and this 78 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:25,880 information to listeners, you are all being able to understand to with me that, hey, you 79 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,680 know, this world is a beautiful world, but it comes with a lot of problems. 80 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,120 And I think we already know that. 81 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,360 But going into the cracks and crevices of it. 82 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,280 But without further ado, let's get into our story today. 83 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:47,160 All right, so our story today is a story that takes place in England. 84 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:53,680 So I thought it would be kind of cool to go to England today. 85 00:05:53,680 --> 00:06:01,080 I honestly feel like we don't cover enough or we don't cover a ton of stories outside 86 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,080 of the US. 87 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,560 And I'm like, I really want to do a lot more in Europe. 88 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,800 We're going to do a ton more just in other places, but Europe specifically, I've always 89 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,360 had a huge passion for Europe. 90 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,360 Europe, Europe. 91 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:20,160 And I've always wanted to really just be living there. 92 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,440 Honestly, I feel like you guys know me know that I have always loved the French language. 93 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,640 I learned French in college and I studied there. 94 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,000 And I've always been someone that's obsessed with just the European culture. 95 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,080 So I just always I thought it was time. 96 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Just dive into a case that takes place in England. 97 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,440 So there's that. 98 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,640 I know I knew nothing about this case, first of all. 99 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,360 This case stuck out to me just because it kind of related to one that we all know. 100 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:56,080 And it's all by the title of this episode, which is Dennis Nielsen, the British Jeffrey 101 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,480 Dahmer. 102 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:04,600 So you'll all understand why that is so much tied to they're so tied to each other, first 103 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,600 of all. 104 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:13,960 You'll also see a lot of not only parallels, but also a lot of just the deeper madness. 105 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,520 In this case, does take place before Jeffrey Dahmer. 106 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,920 I'll say that before we even start. 107 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,360 But you'll see why. 108 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,960 And by the end of this, you'll see why they tie them in together. 109 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,480 So here is episode 26. 110 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:34,960 On February 4th, 1983, one late evening around midnight, a tenant living at the Craneley Garden 111 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:41,240 Flats in Muswell Hill, North London calls for a drain specialist at Dino Rod to come 112 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,440 investigate a drain blockage at their complex. 113 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,120 Six other curious tenants had joined to see what the bloody hell was going on with their 114 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,360 drains and why it was getting clogged because this was a problem that all the tenants were 115 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,000 actually having. 116 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,440 One tenant among the rest came out to see what was going on. 117 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,480 And this was Dennis Nielsen. 118 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:09,280 A 37 year old, 6th one, kind of basic looking dude with a classic, with the 80s kind of 119 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,320 frames and the black hair. 120 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,120 Very very 80s look, I'll say. 121 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Mike Cataran, which is the Dino Rod employee that came out, informed the tenants that their 122 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,520 complaints about the drains being clogged is being looked at. 123 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:28,320 So to sit tight and he be getting to it and getting this situation dealt with. 124 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:35,840 So the specialist, Mike, grabs his equipment in a flashlight and descends into the manhole. 125 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Instantly Mike began to smell an odor. 126 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,600 Instantly Mike began to smell an odor. 127 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,680 So unbearable he started to gag. 128 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:54,440 After shining the light in the direction of the terrible odor. 129 00:08:54,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Mike was faced with this most horrifying sight for human eyes to ever see. 130 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,840 Like straight off a horror movie I could say personally myself. 131 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,400 He found chunks of mangled rotting flesh and bone. 132 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Now police and investigators were immediately called. 133 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,760 Mike had initially thought that this was an animal. 134 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Spoiler, it was an animal. 135 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:27,040 So Mike tells tenants he and his supervisor will return in the morning to try to get this 136 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,000 mess cleaned up. 137 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,360 The next morning the Dino Rod employees come back to clean the backed up flesh when Mike 138 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,560 notices what was the other previous night looked to have been already cleaned. 139 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:44,400 Though they still notice that small bone fragments and flesh were still caught throughout the 140 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:51,520 drain leading up to the top floor apartment belonging to tenant Nilsson. 141 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,640 So the police call the police to investigate the problem. 142 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,680 And not long after the police arrive and tenants are all questioning what the hell is going 143 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:00,680 on. 144 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:01,680 You see police everywhere. 145 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:03,760 I get it. 146 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,880 When they walked up police had been told that there were these bone fragments they had 147 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:13,440 found and led up to that specific flat. 148 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,200 I like to call a flat instead of apartment. 149 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:27,600 But they had been led to Dinsons flat and noticed that he wasn't there. 150 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:33,160 But another tenant said that he'd be back from work later that afternoon so they waited 151 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,000 and waited. 152 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,640 Eerily that morning while Dennis was at his desk at work while the police were investigating 153 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,840 what was going on here at his flat. 154 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,400 A colleague will later state that Dennis had been acting weird and jokingly turned towards 155 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:56,640 them and said quote if I'm not in tomorrow I'll be ill, dead, or I'll be in jail. 156 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,680 So later that evening Dennis had returned home from work and he's met with Detective 157 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:09,200 Chief Inspector Jay and Inspector Jesus Muckster and another officer waiting to ask Dennis 158 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:15,000 a couple questions about the weird remains that were found in the manhole that connected 159 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,960 to his flat. 160 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,960 As soon as Dennis opened up the door the inspectors were rudely bombarded by the pre-trufying 161 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,760 smell of de-comp. 162 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,880 Well when Inspector Jay asked what that smell was Dennis calmly answered quote what you're 163 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:37,720 looking for is stored in the bags around this apartment. 164 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Inspector says quote stop messing about where is the rest of the body unquote and Dennis 165 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,120 walks over to the bedroom and points to a wardrobe. 166 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,000 When the inspector walks over to open the wardrobe in it are two massive black trash 167 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,560 bags. 168 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:59,100 Dennis is then handcuffed and brought in under suspicion of murder which I would definitely 169 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:06,440 arrest him to and on the way to the police station Inspector Muckster asks are we talking 170 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:15,240 about one body or two here and Dennis immediately replies quote 15 or 16. 171 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:21,600 So I know that's crazy and you're partly wondering who in the world is Dennis Nielsen. 172 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:29,000 I personally am not sure if a lot of our listeners I know we have a lot of listeners over in 173 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,640 Europe and I'm personally not sure I know we have I know we have a handful of listeners 174 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:41,960 over in England I'm not sure if any of you listeners are over there know a ton about 175 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:49,440 him or not I know that he is infamously known to be again like the British Jeffrey Dahmer 176 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:57,240 and things like that like this he is infamously known as the British Jeffrey Dahmer and he's 177 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,360 also known as the Muswell Hill murderer. 178 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:05,680 So that actually kind of goes hand in hand with today's episode because today is going 179 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:10,920 to be called that and then you're going to notice in part two it's going to be called 180 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,160 the Muswell Hill murderers. 181 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,320 So I just felt that those two kind of go hand in hand with each other with how the story 182 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:26,920 goes again and he had been known to have killed at least 15 I am not kidding you 15 young 183 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:37,440 men and boys between 1978 and 1983 and this monster was brought to earth on November 23rd 184 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:43,440 1945 if I'm not mistaken he is not a Scorpio we don't claim him I think he just made it 185 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:49,440 on that cusp of the Sagittarius but I might be wrong if I am wrong that's embarrassing 186 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 but I think I'm right. 187 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:57,160 So yes he was born November 23rd 1945 and Firstburg Scotland. 188 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:04,960 Firstburg itself is known to be a very pretty small fish village in the council area of 189 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:10,120 Amber Sheenshire I'm sorry if I butchered that in Scotland. 190 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Now like many of our discussed serial killers Dennis did not experience the best childhood 191 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:25,800 he was born to a Norwegian soldier that traveled to Scotland in 1940 named Olaf Mangan Mielsen 192 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,720 and his Scottish mother Betty White not Betty White the actress we know this okay moving 193 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,680 on along with Dennis were also his brother Olaf Nielsen the second and Sylvia Nielsen 194 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,800 not sure if they were older younger I didn't find any sources that specified that for sure 195 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,960 but either way right from the beginning it was clear that Dennis's father Olaf had 196 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:55,440 no interest in having a family he never spent time with any of his kids and often left Betty 197 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:02,600 alone for months and just for her to care for the children eventually by the age of 198 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:09,000 six years old his father was completely out of the picture eventually Betty remarry to 199 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,720 a man named Adam Scott and had four more children and then sent Dennis to spend time away with 200 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:22,480 his grandfather for a while now Dennis's 62 year old grandfather Andrew was allegedly 201 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:30,200 very strict ill tempered and just single-minded as kind of that type of guy I guess a man's 202 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,840 man I don't know but despite Andrew's ways he and Dennis actually got along really well 203 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,880 they instantly grew a really strong bond with another they go on walks for hours they often 204 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:48,720 fish together and his grandfather would tell Dennis about all the tales about sailing and 205 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:55,720 selling us a young man it's like one of those like when I was a boy I have gone a season 206 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,160 you know whatever whatever else so Dennis was really happy because it's said that he 207 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:07,480 didn't really like his half-father and so having his grandpa was like a real father figure 208 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,320 to him though that same year that Dennis was sent away to live with Andrew on Halloween 209 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:19,360 day 1951 his grandfather had been found dead that morning in his fishing boat being that 210 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,240 Dennis was six at the time he did not understand that his grandfather was dead and eventually 211 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,880 he was sent back home with his mother they held an open casket funeral and he saw his 212 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:37,680 grandfather laying there and asked his mom when was grandpa going to wake up and like 213 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:45,240 Marnie parents probably would Dennis's mother had just kind of said he's taking a long nap 214 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:51,320 or you know he's in a better place so it's one of those you know oh okay well I feel 215 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,920 like you're putting that image in their kids head but you know you know grandpa's okay 216 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,000 he's in a better place he might come back one day and I think that's the kind of notion 217 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:07,800 that he got in his head not saying that this losing of another figure of a male in his 218 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:13,480 life had to account for anything he did later on because what he does later on is terrible 219 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,520 but that I'm not I of course don't want to mess that up with each other but I do want 220 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:25,080 to say that as a kid that does suck and especially when it's like your parents want to protect 221 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:32,760 you but they don't want to hurt you it's kind of like a double it's sword in a way so days 222 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,280 eventually turned into months and later on after Dennis was caught he will later claim 223 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:43,720 that this at this time he was six years old and it was his most vivid memory because one 224 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,160 day he had a father in the next day he was gone and when I say father he was meeting 225 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:55,840 his grandfather after his grandfather's death Dennis grew up and started to develop a terrible 226 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:01,600 habit of collecting pets especially pigeons he would keep them for a short period of time 227 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:08,320 and then viciously slaughter them I think Betty found this kind of as a phase but not completely 228 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,240 sure he'd go down the same trails alone that he and his grandfather would go down which 229 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,120 I don't think that's terribly I don't think that's weird at all quite honestly I guess 230 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:23,160 that's just everyone grays in their own ways kind of a thing I have my times to where I 231 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:29,920 definitely have needed to grieve my own way and he will also write about the scene his 232 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:36,120 journals all the while he was still be killing innocent birds though in grade school Dennis 233 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:41,920 seemed to have been a pretty average student he later claimed that he'd become infatuated 234 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:47,960 with the son of a local minister but it was clear to Dennis that he had no interest in 235 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:54,000 school and it showed in his grades and it kind of slipped at the age of 15 years old 236 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,040 he dropped out of school to join the army for Dennis joining the army was the best decision 237 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,320 he had ever made so this is something he really liked to do he loved the discipline of the 238 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:11,880 army he loved what they enforced he loved the physical hard training and he felt wanted 239 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:19,640 well liked and just wanted by all his comrades really the main area where Dennis worked in 240 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,920 the army was catering and it was catering to like the other army units so like cooking 241 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:34,160 propping food etc etc so this is where he learned the art of butchering I I'm not just 242 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,400 talking about cut up some you know raw steak and serve it to soldiers I'm talking about 243 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:45,680 butchering these animals and doing the whole operation from scratch and it's gruesome 244 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:53,080 to even think about but Dennis was fascinated by the shot crazy just a little listen Dennis 245 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:59,360 was well liked and not super bullied for his liking towards guys which also kind of started 246 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:05,360 opening him up to experimenting Dennis is starting to find discreet guys over campus 247 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:11,520 with similar sexual curiosities as his he even found some male sex workers that he had gotten 248 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:16,680 contacts with while serving in the Middle East but casual hookups just really started 249 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:21,960 to get boring for him and it wouldn't ask arousam as much the guys he would sleep with 250 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,480 it would just have one nice sense with him and then leave and Dennis wanted more than 251 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:33,240 that as time had passed on in the army Dennis began to find different ways to arouse himself 252 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:42,440 and not in healthy ways either at some point Dennis found this clay mineral called talc 253 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:48,400 which can be a very harmful thing to your body it's kind of like a it's a yeah it's 254 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:55,920 like a mineral but he would use us he would really grows he would strip his self bearer 255 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:02,800 cover himself in powder blew his lips to appear dead and then masturbate to himself in the 256 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:09,160 mirror after a decade into serving for the military Dennis have found a guy that he was 257 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:15,200 really into this was 18 year old private he found while stationed on the Shetland Islands 258 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:23,280 in Scotland this was big for him because when a man had entered his life he had felt loved 259 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,760 again although this guy knew Dennis was only stationed temporarily and just wanted to save 260 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:35,320 friends while hooking up it's understandable this outrage Dennis he did not take it easy 261 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:41,720 at all reports say that shortly before Dennis went back home to the base he said that poor 262 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,440 guy stuff him fire along with some photos in the movie footage that had apparently made 263 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,720 when they were just goofing around eventually Dennis also got fed up with the army and the 264 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,520 politics around it so he moved back home to first bird with his mom and siblings although 265 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:06,440 so he wouldn't stay as long as he had intended to I am not 100% confident on this note but 266 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:12,560 apparently after a couple weeks of moving back in with his family Dennis and his brother 267 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Olaf Jr had gotten to some ugly argument about how he can't come home to a F.A.G. 268 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,120 and we know what that is I'm not I'm not gonna say it and so Dennis left home and never 269 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:35,760 came back just decided to leave so this is when in December of 1972 Dennis and his 20s 270 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:42,000 had moved to England so he's not in Scotland he's in England now and he decides to take 271 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:48,120 up police training to join the Metropolitan in the Lenten England the Metropolitan I 272 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:54,600 think it's like the police force I don't know for sure don't at me now not long after 273 00:22:54,600 --> 00:23:01,440 being hired as a officer Dennis was re-exposed to death seeing bodies and morgues viewing 274 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:08,480 autopsies of these bodies which eventually just get began to just grow into this wild 275 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:14,480 and gross fetish now none of this death really bothered Dennis what really ended up being 276 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:20,840 the big deal breaker for him was when a co-worker in him had caught a gay male couple engaging 277 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:26,360 an intercourse off the side of a road near their vehicle Dennis cannot bring himself 278 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:32,360 to arrest the couple at the time so he told the co-worker no and the co-worker kind of 279 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:39,400 gave him shit for it a little bit and so he just decided to quit because of that one altercation 280 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,760 being that Dennis just decided to quit on the spot like that put him in a really bad in 281 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:50,360 tough situation with money he saved no money he spent most of his earnings getting drunk 282 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:57,560 at pubs and at clubs and just edging more towards poverty he ended up selling his general service 283 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,960 medal to make do with the flat that he had after a couple days he just decided you know 284 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:09,120 what I'm just gonna sign up for unemployment benefits and see how much I get back and he 285 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:14,480 didn't get much but he was offered to work for the English Civil Service which is job 286 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:22,760 center I think again I did a little research on what job center was I think it's honestly 287 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,080 helping if I'm not mistaken correct me if I'm wrong helping other people get jobs I 288 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,800 think that's what that is so his political and social views really kept him from making 289 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:39,040 any friends at this new English Civil Service job they also found him odd and abnormal but 290 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:46,160 he felt happy with the job so just started refocusing on love so that brings us to January 291 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:53,520 1974 one night while out Dennis meets a young Tony something named David Gallachan and they 292 00:24:53,520 --> 00:25:00,520 hit it off he went home with Dennis they hook up several weeks go by and they are a couple 293 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,760 in love and officially dating so Dennis has his first official boyfriend after a month 294 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,400 or so goes by and they decide it's time to move in together so they do they move into 295 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:20,640 195 Malrose Avenue in north London this is one of the infamous flats that sees a lot 296 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:28,000 of dark shit so keep that address in mind eventually months turn into years and the 297 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,720 two have even bought a puppy named bleep oh my god I think that's so cute when I look 298 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,880 that up and I'll say that so right now bleep is okay throughout this whole story I just 299 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,600 have to say that but everything was great although David started falling out of love 300 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:50,600 for Dennis of course this wrecked Dennis but he tried to ignore his feelings about this 301 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,880 and filled the void with finding guys at bars again working extra hours at work and drinking 302 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,880 copious amounts of rum every night by the way unfortunately for the sake of humanity 303 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:10,160 around Christmas time in 1978 Dennis I got into the deepest point of his lonesome and 304 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:17,200 depression this is when Dennis decides to commit his first murder according to Dennis's 305 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:25,000 confession on December 30th 1978 Dennis meets this kid at Cricklewood Arms Pub this was 306 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:32,040 18 year old Stephen Holmes who at the time was an Irish laborer Dennis Sweet talked Stephen 307 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,200 they went back to Dennis's flat where they both drank themselves asleep now sometime 308 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:43,280 in the middle of the night Dennis wakes up according to him he's thinking I don't 309 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,040 want this to end so Dennis grabs the necktie he had near the bed grips the kid's neck 310 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:55,600 with the necktie and squeezes until the kid was fully unconscious, drawn to his head into 311 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:01,720 a bucket of water, bathed his now dead body and dried it he wanted to keep his corpse 312 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:08,040 out but got paranoid someone would find him so Dennis lifts up the floorboards throws 313 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:14,520 Stephen's body into the pit underneath the floorboards where he will remain rotting for 314 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:21,120 the next 8 months the first murder really worried Dennis for a couple of months but 315 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:25,760 eventually he was ready to get back out there and start searching for his next victim you 316 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:32,120 know once you just do one you just keep doing it right no that's wrong you don't the second 317 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:37,880 victim would have been 20 year old Andrew Ho but Andrew actually got away while being 318 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,560 strangled by Dennis in his flat he got away and went to police but decided later not to 319 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:49,160 press any charges for any reasons I definitely think personally that this could have been 320 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:57,560 just because at the time it was just strongly shone upon and I don't fully know but I could 321 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:03,800 you could wonder I feel like you definitely wonder so this made Dennis's second victim 322 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:10,400 20 year old Kenneth Okadon Kenneth was a Canadian student that I think was 323 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:17,320 studying abroad or visiting England December 3rd 1979 Kenneth decided to hit up some gay 324 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:24,360 clubs in the area and one of the pubs Kenneth happens to me a man named Dennis they come 325 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:29,240 first and they get to know each other a little and Dennis offers Kenneth a tour of London's 326 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:36,720 landmarks so of course how could Kenneth say no to a free ride around town they leave after 327 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,920 the tour Dennis convinces Kenneth to come over to his flat for some music and drinking so 328 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:49,000 at Dennis's flat and while Kenneth is distracted with headphones on that Dennis that gave to 329 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,480 him Dennis sneaks up behind Kenneth and strangles him with an electrical cord until he hears 330 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:03,280 Kenneth's neck snap I am not kidding you can't make this stuff up so then Dennis lays 331 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:09,760 Kenneth down and he lays him beside him on the bed and just decides to go to sleep just 332 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,560 a forewarning this next part is very grotesque so if you wanted to just skip ahead a little 333 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:22,000 bit for this I don't blame you so the next morning Dennis washes the body dries the 334 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:28,560 body he takes the polaroids of the corpse engages in sex with it then places his lifeless 335 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,800 body into a garbage bag underneath the floorboards next to the others but even more horrifically 336 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:42,800 Dennis sticks up and replace it Kenneth's body four different times four different times 337 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,680 every time he we dug up the body he admitted that he would do some really gross wings 338 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:53,120 to it that I'm not going to mention on the show and then leaves his body in the armchair 339 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:59,960 while Dennis ate dinner drank watched television and went to work it was like it was nothing 340 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:06,640 his third identified victim was later identified as Martin Duffy so Martin was kind of a troubled 341 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:14,080 16 year old from Maryside England at the time of Martin's death he was a homeless hitchhiker 342 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,440 I am not sure about a ton of his background I can only imagine again that could have been 343 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:27,240 I mean based on maybe just who he was his parents didn't accept him who knows but on 344 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:33,920 May 13th 1980 Dennis invited the kid over to spend the night at his place while Martin 345 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,160 slept on Dennis's couch Dennis hops on top of Martin and strangles him unconscious with 346 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:47,080 his bare hands I don't know if you guys can even picture this I don't even want to but 347 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:54,040 imagine how much force it could take to strangle someone unconscious with your hands like that 348 00:30:54,040 --> 00:31:00,080 is a lot of pressure and a lot of force that you had to put into something human neck is 349 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:09,560 a lot of it's fairly tough so just thinking about that is crazy so Dennis drags Martin 350 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:15,200 into the kitchen fills the kitchen sink with water and John's a minute this time Dennis 351 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,960 literally bays with Martin's corpse he kisses it and along with other grotesque things that 352 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,320 again I'm not going to mention he talks to the body he even comments the corpse and 353 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:32,000 then continues the same thing with Martin's corpse for days after eventually the body 354 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,440 but obviously right and when it became too bloated he placed the body with the others 355 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,800 in the floorboards when the smell became too much for him he would just decide to start 356 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,480 spraying the bodies with insecticide to rid of the hundreds of maggots and on top of that 357 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:55,880 smell he would top it off with some deodorant spray I am sorry but deodorant cannot coat 358 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,240 the stink of even a living human you thought that that would work I don't care if that's 359 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,880 even anti-perspirant spray that that doesn't work on on no no I'm sorry sir it's not 360 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,480 it's not going to happen like I said that wasn't going to work so Dennis brought himself 361 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,120 to dissect and dismember the three bodies in his bathtub he boiled their severed heads 362 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:24,880 in a large cooking pot so that he could boil the skin off for bone he placed the parts 363 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,360 in the suitcase and buried them in the garden that he and his ex-partner had built together 364 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,920 can't imagine although Dennis's next two victims luckily escaped from the clutches 365 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,720 of this monster he also did luck out though neither victim reported that Dennis attempted 366 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:47,240 to kill them and he just got away with it so some of you may be wondering at this point 367 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,760 where in the world are the other tenants at aren't there other tenants if he's living 368 00:32:51,760 --> 00:33:01,840 in a flat you know yes there are I don't know how this got beyond the tenants but honestly 369 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,920 none of the tenants that lived in this specific location that he lived had really knew that 370 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Dennis was doing anything they knew that he had guys over but I think it was one of those 371 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:18,280 things that was more like he's gay so I don't know about gay people you know leave him alone 372 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:25,200 that let him just do his thing whatever whatever so I again I don't know can't say for sure 373 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,440 but I think that was the mentality and often he would bring these victims sometimes they 374 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,520 would get away but again I think people just brush it off as that's a gay thing I wouldn't 375 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:44,640 understand that that's their thing whatever and he did it in a very low key way so somehow 376 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:50,520 he just really got away with it for a very long time Dennis had a small window of time 377 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,960 where he actually halted the horrors he inflicted on these young men because his landlord wanted 378 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,920 to renovate the building that he was living in the existing tenants were moved to a separate 379 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,120 housing space for some time but I guess Dennis came to an agreement that he could stay in 380 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:13,000 the attic of the building months later Dennis got his flat back and the flat he had was on 381 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:20,480 the bottom floor where he eventually reached his next and fourth victim this was 27 year 382 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,920 old Billy Sutherland Billy was living in the area of north London he didn't make a living 383 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:33,200 from prostitution and had been approached by Dennis Billy and Dennis conversed a little 384 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:40,760 Dennis let Billy in to drive back to his place where after not long Dennis strangles Billy 385 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,800 until he is out of breath he finishes him off from drowning he rapes him and dismember 386 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,760 his body the next victim is 27 year old Malcolm Barlow he had grown up in orphan in London 387 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,400 with a learning disability he met Dennis in a more romantic way this was a sweet and innocent 388 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,680 guy that I'm talking about Malcolm I'm not talking about Dennis fuck Dennis I'm talking 389 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:12,240 about Malcolm Dennis I'm sorry oh my god Malcolm was a very sweet and innocent guy that just 390 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:18,640 really wanted to find love and had also unfortunately just fell victim to a person that could not 391 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:24,720 care less about anyone's emotions and was just a monster and I can even consider him 392 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:32,800 a human by 1981 Dennis had successfully raped tortured and dismembered a dozen men and young 393 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:39,120 boys just in that one apartment he would just repeat the process of inviting these boys 394 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,280 over and getting them in a vulnerable state and assaulting them and dismembering them 395 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:51,600 and shoves them under his kitchen sink like what in his wardrobe and his under his floorboards 396 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:58,040 and he would just dispose of them months later like you had time to think about this before 397 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,520 you did it and he just goes in and just does it and it's just so gruesome to think that 398 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,920 even being a tenant even it's crazy to think that they didn't smell anything or didn't 399 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,360 have too many thoughts about what's going on some people were curious but I don't think 400 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,840 anyone really dove in so it was just kind of like he was getting away with all of this 401 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:24,040 and it's just so sad too because there are survivors but those survivors were just and 402 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,800 I don't blame them in some way just terrified to even come out and come forth with what 403 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:35,080 happened to them and like I said not many people nor police really reported the missing 404 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,160 guys even if they figured they might have been missing from the general area because 405 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,000 many of them were either queer they were thrown out of their homes they were male escorts 406 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,320 or they ran away and the notion kind of was around them in this time that you know they're 407 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:57,160 queer they wanted to go missing or they're a little less human for selling their bodies 408 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,720 they're gay they just wouldn't understand things like that which is just so sad because 409 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:09,640 it's just like you just you're so mad because you're like I wish that people did more for 410 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,920 these these young boys or you know at least they were shown a path a better path because 411 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,960 they were human too and they didn't deserve to lose their lives because some area asshole 412 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:26,960 just decides to come in their life and take that away from them in 1982 eventually Dennis 413 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:33,040 did feel that it was time to move out of the flat that he lived in because of the suspicion 414 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,280 some neighbors I just think that he was starting to coward because he kept making up excuses 415 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,880 as for the smell I guess reading this now I will say there was one tenant that had claims 416 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,960 later on that he had told them the oldest stem from structural problems with the building 417 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:58,680 but come on you know that is not structural problems so Dennis moves out of his flat on 418 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:07,880 195 Melrose Avenue and now moves to a second floor flat at 23 greenlee gardens and Muswell 419 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:14,280 Hill which was in the same area of north London Dennis later claimed that he purposely chose 420 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,880 the top floor flat at Muswell Hill I think it's muscle and Muswell I'm gonna get that 421 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:27,200 right to quote suppress the murders I don't think again this was because he wanted to 422 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,000 stop killing I think it was because he didn't want to get caught but either way it didn't 423 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,960 matter because even living on a top floor apartment didn't stop him from killing and 424 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,240 eventually he found new ways to dispose of the bodies and things just got way worse than 425 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:50,920 they've already gotten then you'll just have to wait to find out in our next episode so 426 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:59,320 that brings us to the end of part one of our Dennis Nielsen case but you know what I figured 427 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,880 since I am already doing this and my so just keep it going I'm just gonna release episode 428 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:12,880 27 to you guys let's say Monday so if you're listening to this at the time it comes out 429 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:20,160 I think this is coming out Friday and then you will have this episode 27 which is part 430 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,480 two of our Dennis Nielsen case on Monday have to split it up a little bit so I can't 431 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:31,160 print crunch from two too closely but you will get it and you won't have to wait too 432 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:38,280 long so stay tuned for that and of course thank you all for listening again this is 433 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:43,600 new for me this is actually kind of crazy and I was kind of nervous doing this but you 434 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:50,760 know you guys are very supportive I think you all for listening continue listening give 435 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:59,000 us all the left that you can anyway you can and yes we hope to see you next when the lights 436 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:23,360 go out.