Hello, I am Kendall.
And I am Brie.
And you are listening to When the Light Goes Out.
Hey!
Happy happy Friday.
All your dreams come true.
It's another Friday.
And I like the color blue.
Hey!
Welcome everyone.
I don't like the color blue.
It's okay.
I actually don't either so it's alright.
I like red.
I don't like blue.
I want orange gal.
I like orange.
We're close.
I like the sunset orange.
Oh period.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like the good macaroni cheese.
Oh.
A darker.
No, like a little darker but yeah.
Yeah.
Hello everyone.
Thank you for joining us in another episode of our wonderful show that we have been going
on now for how long has it been?
Oh wow.
October?
Yeah.
Our first episode I think was like the end of August.
Oh August?
August, September.
September.
It was September.
September, October.
Okay.
I guess that makes sense.
Yeah.
Because it was like beginning of October.
Like right before.
Yeah.
And here we are.
We started the series.
Started the series.
The Cecil Hotel series.
Oh yeah.
That was a good series too.
That was fun.
Oh my gosh.
Well today's case in my opinion is like super, I don't say super but it has some parallels
to feel like the, what was the case that we did?
Uh, Elise Lam.
Elise Lam case.
Yeah.
Which is, it's really sad and really just crazy in my opinion but I mean hey, that's
why we're here to tell these stories.
I always say to you guys.
But first of all, I'm gonna need Jack Frost, Steve Void to pack his shit and get the hell
out of Mid West.
His bruh, I am ready for my spring outfits already and it's not getting any easier.
Fuck right off seriously with this weather.
So sick of it.
I literally had to chisel my car afterwards.
Chisel?
That's what you gotta do.
I get it.
Chisel the ice off.
It literally got to the point where my hands actually felt like they were frostbite.
They hurt so bad because I was chiseling the ice off my car for 20 minutes and it got
to the point where I was just so cold and frustrated that I started like smacking the
ice off instead of chiseling out at it and honestly it worked better.
So recommend.
10 out of 10 recommend.
Yeah, but maybe be a little careful just so you know you don't break your windshield.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Oh I love that.
Oh my gosh.
I hate the weather.
I hate the cold.
I hate the fact that Michigan just has so many seasons.
It bugs the hell out of me.
Never loved it.
Never liked it in my life.
But here we are.
We're here.
And I think also I like walked out this morning and all I could see was this trees covered
in ice.
Ice.
I forget that by even this thing.
Like ugh.
If you live anywhere else in the world and you don't have snow or you hardly ever have
snow and you're probably thinking what?
I love snow.
No.
Stop.
Don't.
Live here for your life.
Yeah.
If you want to you know, switch with me and you know, live here for a day, be my guest.
It's fine.
Seriously.
The ice was actually like broke off a branch of a tree.
Like on the way to your place.
I think like I was going to say on the way to your place there are so many like streets
like that are out.
Like no street lights or anything.
And it's just I have a video of when I was driving home from work, the lights were out
and it literally looked like a rave on the freeway.
Oh shit.
I have never seen that in my life before.
For like a mile or two miles stretch.
You guys can't see this obviously but that literally the street lights on the freeway
are just like flickering on and off.
It's like almost like some phenomena.
It's kind of creepy.
Like a fucking rave.
Like good fucking luck if you have seizures from.
Oh yeah.
Like epilepsy or something.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
That's really dangerous.
Oh my god.
Breeze looking at me taking pictures of me and boo.
As we're recording right now, we'll post it on her.
We'll post it on our Instagram.
That's cute.
Are they kid enough?
Can I see them?
I'm scared.
They're not the best.
You look good.
Since I'm ready now.
You look good but boo isn't really looking in the pictures.
Boo be.
I'm just having a cute little photo shoot but hold on guys.
Outdoor cheers.
Okay I got a whole bunch.
Sit idle.
Wait we're not done yet.
I was getting redone.
Fuck that is cute.
Okay bet.
Send that to me.
That's going to be another picture.
Okay.
Yeah this one's Instagram post worthy.
That's Instagram post worthy.
The other one was like Instagram story.
We both look so cute.
Boo.
I air dropped it to you.
Anyhoo.
Did you get it?
I don't know.
Yeah I did get it.
Accept it.
Yeah I got it.
You hear that?
I got it.
Back to the show.
We're sitting over here sitting each other pictures.
Okay Anyhoo.
This is so cute.
I had to say though on terms of just what the fuck is that?
I think someone's yelling.
Someone's like that's all I hear in the next room.
I'm like what the fuck is that?
I'm sorry guys.
I think someone's yelling outside.
Well I needed to say this.
On the note of just what the actual fuck for the week?
Tennessee.
Fuck Tennessee.
What the actual fuck is going on over there?
There has now been the first ban on Kona Ko adult cabaret performances aka track shows
in the state of Tennessee so that just pretty much means that it's an offense for a person
to engage in adult cabaret performance on public property or in a local location where
the adult cabaret performance could be viewed as a person who is not an adult.
So basically they're saying if you're a child below 18 and you see someone performing
and quote unquote adult cabaret you'll be arrested or you know.
This is a stupid law.
Fines or whatever so I am so sorry all of my queers out in Tennessee if you're listening
to us.
This is a stupid law.
Stupid ass law.
I don't care what they say.
Like I know this is a I know they're like don't say certain things on a podcast but
no fuck that.
Like what the actual fuck Tennessee.
This is literally like I feel like this is this is not against human rights.
It just seems like it.
I don't know.
It's just like it's just freedom of speech or to me or it has to be something.
I guess like segregation in a way but not necessarily.
I'm trying to think of the word for it.
I think I know what you're getting at.
What is that word?
I can't think of it.
No it's okay.
Segregation separation.
Don't hurt your mind thinking about it.
I'm hurting my mind.
The wheels are turning.
It's the most thinking I've done today.
No it's okay but no it that's just something I really have to just mention.
Well that was all of my like I guess true crime news.
I mean to me it's true crime but you were fucking.
It's a crime against humanity.
It's a crime against humanity but we're not going to Tennessee today.
Today we're going to California.
I want to go to California.
I want to go to California too.
That's going to be California.
Let's go.
Let's just go.
Done.
Let's just go.
Pack our bags.
Let's establish ourselves and just just go.
Let's just.
Pack our bags.
Pack our bags as we speak.
When the lights go out goes on vacation.
Ooh I like that.
Vacation episode.
Check out some spooky episodes and some Victorian California mansions.
We go visit the Winchester house.
The Winchester.
It is.
You're right.
It's in San Francisco I do believe.
Period.
Let's go.
Cool.
Let's go.
Well without further ado.
Oh without further ado.
Oh by the way I'm reading today's episode.
Oh Bree it's taking over today's episode.
What?
I'm excited for this.
What?
For anybody who likes when I do episodes.
Here you go.
This is your time.
It's not going to happen often.
This is a phenomena.
We love it.
Not the phenomena.
The phenomena.
It's not going to happen often so you're welcome.
I love it.
Me and Boo are going to sit back and just listen.
Love.
I write people episode 25.
Woo woo let's get it.
Halfway through our 25s.
Halfway through our 50s.
I mean 20s.
Halfway through our 25s.
Halfway through our 20s.
Oh halfway yeah.
I was like halfway to 50.
You're like halfway to 25.
Halfway through our 20s.
That's my dumb ass motives.
That's my dumb ass mind right now.
That's my dumb ass mind.
You're like woo our 20s and I'm like 50s.
I'm like bitch.
I know I'm a crazy old cat lady but like damn.
Episode 25.
The disappearance of Matrice Richardson.
This was a fun case to really get into and investigate.
It's an interesting case.
Yeah.
Unfortunate case but interesting.
Yeah definitely.
Me and Bree had talked about this case and I feel like this is one of the most
cases that if you are strongly opinionated when it comes to.
True crime.
Or just cases in general.
The police forces and cases.
Things like that.
I feel like this is one of those.
Yeah no kidding.
You're gonna be yelling at the phone.
Yeah literally.
Wherever you listen to your broadcast.
Yelling at the speaker just like infuriated because I know I am.
Still.
Just ugh.
But further ado let's dive in.
Before we enter into the story this case takes place mostly in 2009 and we still
don't really know what happened to Matrice the night she went missing but let's jump
into the story.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Not get ahead of ourselves.
Matrice Levon Richardson was born on April 30th in 1985 to her parents Latrice Sutton
and Michael Richardson.
Though had been raised by her mother and stepfather Larry Sutton in Covina California which is
about 22 miles east outside of downtown Los Angeles.
Matrice's biological father Michael was sent to prison when Matrice was a little girl but
after he had been released a decade later he really wanted to change and be there for
his daughter.
Good for him.
Yeah I love a good father that could change his life around and I mean we all do bad shit.
We do it in our lifetimes but it's all about if he can change that.
And he did end up changing his life around actually.
He was starting to become a much more present father to Matrice and he did eventually end
up getting a job in healthcare.
Good for him.
Matrice's mother Latrice was always very serious about her daughter's education and really
helped her grow to become a very intelligent gal.
She was top of her class at South Hills High School in West Covina.
Here we it.
Smartass chick.
La-la-la.
Love girl power.
She was a very competitive cheerleader and most of her friends would describe her as
a very preppy California girl as well as her mother describing her as a girly girl that
was not at all outdoorsy.
Me too.
Yeah I guess if you look at pictures of her too and like every episode at WTLGO podcast
on Instagram we'll have pictures of her but she was really really pretty.
She was and I think like this and I'm not gonna say like I don't know for sure but I
want to believe that a lot of the things and a lot of the reasons she got away with certain
things throughout this case is probably because of how intelligent already but also how pretty
she was and so I think she yeah she not pretty privileged life.
She was a pretty girl.
Insert California girl by Katy Perry.
Literally yeah yeah there you go.
Yeah she's so pretty in fact that she eventually started getting into dance classes and pageant
trees and she really loved being in pageants.
She looks so pretty in her pictures too of her pageants and her like little chests and
I love it.
No kidding.
As Kendall was saying with all of that beauty that Matrice did have she definitely knew how
to use it to win the judges over and just like win everybody over in general and she
had a very outgoing energy, brains, charm, everything.
We love it.
So she was like Miss girl.
Miss girl.
Get you a girl that can do it.
Hey.
Around the time that Matrice had went to college.
Excuse me.
Not me.
Cupidy cracking.
Around the time that Matrice had went to college she really started exploring her sexuality
like most people do to be honest.
Yeah we all do.
Yeah when they're away from home.
In 2006 she made a very difficult decision to come out to her family as gay in fear that
her family would disown her but it was actually the exact opposite.
Her family fully accepted her sexuality and soon after Matrice would start dating her
then girlfriend Tessa Moon.
Good.
What a blessing to have a family that really supports.
I feel like you should say you're fully supports right?
Oh yeah definitely.
I was like I feel like you should because that makes it sound like your family does
not support you at all.
No they definitely do.
Jeanne, Mark, Mary they all do.
No I could say I guess as just being a queer person myself that it's really scary when
you first have to come out to your family and it's just all the emotions.
How do you guys get through this?
And I always tell any of the queer people out there too that it's always difficult at first.
To get past that it gets much easier so I cannot speak whether it's whether your family
does or doesn't like the fact that you choose the sexuality or not even choose because they
don't even choose it.
The one you're born with or one you just adapt into.
So I get it.
Again, wow.
For whatever reason I feel like your mama knew from a young age.
I think most moms know quite honestly.
I'm to say and not even only my mom, one of my friends moms is the same thing my mom
said.
I knew.
I know my baby boy or I know my baby girl.
I feel like your parents know.
Your parents especially they're so invested in your life.
It seems like Machisse's mom was.
Seems like that too.
You pick up on the cues.
You know your kid.
You know the cues.
Love, eventually Matrice did obtain a Bachelor of Arts degree in psychology in 2008 from
California State University Fullerton.
Cool.
That's a mouthful.
And soon after the now 23 year old moves in with her great grandmother Mildred who is
91 years old to look after her and just be there if she needed her.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Matrice really out here.
I know.
She's like a well rounded woman.
She really is.
Like good for her.
Matrice had some trouble looking for work at first so she started working at Santa Fe
Spring Shipping Company owned by her friend's father doing clerical work and still made little
to nothing.
So she ended up getting a part time job as a dancer at a LGBTQ plus go-go dance club
in Long Beach where she would adopt the stage name Hazel.
Hey.
Keep in mind too this wasn't like stripping.
This was just a go-go dancer.
Yeah.
So she was just like dancing her little pretty self.
She was like, I don't want to try and get me where it is because I know people all have
listened to us but there is one club I'll just say in Michigan broadly don't know where
it is.
That is very much like that and that I've been to before.
It's not a queer oriented like go-go dance club but it's like you could tell it's like
a very funky kind of fun.
It's kind of funky kind of fun.
Yeah.
It's not like a strip club.
Yeah.
People are like yeah and they might get like a little loose or something.
I've seen people like take off some layers but no one's ever you know fully just buns
out guns out you know.
I'm not gonna lie.
Kalabanga.
Hey.
Long Beach.
So at this point Matrice did not mind working the two different jobs.
She was really happy.
Had a stable income and she also was considering attending medical school to get her PhD in
child psychology.
Yes.
She is killing this shit.
I love this.
Queen shit.
Not long after this Matrice eventually found a forensic psychologist internship while
still having her nightclub job while also doing beauty pageants and also doing her modeling
shoots here and here and there.
And from her family's perspective she seemed to be perfectly happy.
Wow.
She's doing that all.
Although behind closed doors there was a lot going on between Matrice and Tessa's
relationship so her then girlfriend.
According to several different sources in the summer of 2009 Matrice grew intimate feelings
for a regular at the Long Beach club she worked at and this girl's name was Vanessa.
Oh not Vanessa.
So the T on Vanessa is that T is that she already had a girlfriend and she made it very
clear to Matrice that she was not interested but Matrice was very convinced that she could
win her over.
Okay Matrice.
Not a good idea but.
I don't say do that if someone says no.
No they should probably say no.
One evening after Matrice's shifts she gets into her car and drives six hours from Long
Beach California to Las Vegas, Nevada to crash Vanessa's birthday party.
Yeah.
Six hours.
She's crazy for Vanessa.
When she did that Vanessa had no idea and literally just told Matrice I told you I wasn't
interested please stay away from me.
Yeah I mean I would too.
Yeah I would too.
But I couldn't imagine driving that far for someone I like and then saying that.
I mean I guess in this instance I wouldn't.
But she also told her no.
Yeah I guess in this instance I would have said okay they said no in the first place.
I wouldn't track them down.
Yeah at that point it's like stalkery.
It's stalkery and I guess she kind of got let off easy for that.
Yeah because that's definitely like red flag.
Love you Matrice.
Yeah a little of red flag.
Yeah definitely like a little much.
Vanessa would later tell press that she found Matrice to be acting out of place that night
and as if she was confused why Vanessa said what she had said.
This did come to light and when it did Tessa decided to end their relationship to which
Matrice was a little mad about but was not super bothered by and soon she had been invited
to be a guest model at the Playboy Mansion's Summer Nights party in LA.
Matrice sent back quick.
So quickly her focus shifted to her career.
Okay period she said break up other girl didn't want me Playboy Mansion.
Playboy Mansion.
Playboy Money.
Is that easy?
Apparently for pretty girls it is.
Oh whatever oh my god I love that.
I'm dead.
It seems like this is when things really started to get weird for Matrice.
Her family would start to recognize that she was drifting further and further away from
them.
She would never really answer her phone anymore and her mom would always recount getting out
and cryptic messages from her daughter and sentences she couldn't understand.
Yeah.
Sorry I'm gonna get a little weird.
Oftentimes when her mother Latrice would receive these messages asking if she was okay or if
she needed help Matrice would reply quote you told me I could be anything I wanted.
You told me I was Miss America.
You told me I was America's next top model.
Now you know what I want to be when I grow up?
Miss Mother Nature.
Because Miss America is a fake ass joke along with everything else we see.
So I'm trying to find my way to Michelle Obama to see if she'll talk to Mr. Obama about my
position in the White House.
Oh.
Does it not make sense.
I couldn't tell you what that means but what I can say is it seems very directive.
Like I couldn't tell you why but like it seems like I don't know I seem to ask her
mother I'd be obviously really worried because I'm like what is she talking about.
The first part.
The first part made sense.
It seems like.
And that seems like directed to her mom.
To her mom as if like her mom did something wrong to her or something or portrayed her
in some way.
So that's weird.
I don't know.
The Obama thing.
The Obama thing I yeah I don't know about that but.
This also was the era of MySpace so Matrice would make these long rambling posts on MySpace.
And based on the timestamps it was really clear that she would stay up all night long
typing out these long posts that made absolutely no sense to anybody.
MySpace.
I never had MySpace.
How I that's beyond my time.
Yeah I never had one.
I don't have that either.
I got a Facebook really late in the game.
I think MySpace for me like we're literally at your part so I guess when I first heard
about MySpace I wasn't really on like I was not allowed to have social media.
Yeah but I didn't have a phone or anything.
Yeah and then by the time I was able to have social media I was old enough to be on social
media and I just got an Instagram and I called it that.
And by the way her MySpace is actually still partially up and running but it just has old
photos of her and her coworkers at the night clubs or photos of her with Tessa.
I myself forget that MySpace is still running at all.
Yeah do people actually still like go on it every night?
They do it's still a running thing.
People use it all the time.
I've never ever ever heard anybody say that they use their MySpace.
I don't think we'll hear it from our generation.
That's so thoughtful.
We might be some like hipster friend that would be like oh yeah.
Oh I love MySpace man.
Who's looking at your MySpace though?
That's my question.
I love MySpace.
I love how about MySpace we're not judging you we just want to know why.
I'm just curious is all.
Like only because like I feel like no one else is on it so like who's like looking at
it.
Let's bring MySpace back.
Let's make it like cool.
I personally I prefer MySpace over Facebook.
I don't even like Facebook anymore.
Like I don't even I don't know.
I am not a Facebook person.
I've like recently come to like Facebook but that's only because of like all the family
stuff and stuff.
I guess yeah same reasons yeah.
I don't like or share anything though unless it's like.
Oh no well I do share my cute pictures.
Yeah of course.
You guys can find me there if you want to look at my cute pictures but you can also find
the same ones on Instagram.
This is Kendall Hudson.
Okay sorry moving on back to the story.
An example of a post that she shared on MySpace was on an investigation discovery docu-episode
saying quote have you ever woke up at 7 a.m. crying on a Saturday because now that you
see the light you see all the people lost in the dark welcome to my reality.
Oh that's very poetic but it's also very dark concerning concerning.
I'm scared.
It's very poetic though like it makes sense if you want to like dissect it.
But the posts are just told to get more and more bizarre and at this time she was about
24 years old.
Okay so like our age.
Yeah for like a brief reminder.
Yeah.
On September 15th 2009 Matrice makes a random stop at her aunt and uncle's house not too
far from her great-grandmother's house when her aunt recounts Matrice pulling up, getting
out of her car and throwing around little business cards with her stage name Hazel on
them and her information.
Interesting.
Her aunt was very confused as she said.
Because she didn't really see Matrice a ton and now she's just like scattering her business
cards onto her lawn in her mailbox and into the bushes and her car and then she sees Matrice
write a note to her uncle in incoherent writing, kisses it with the lipstick she wore and places
it on his car's windshield.
So she's definitely having like a little.
A little.
Maybe like.
It's looking like to me from this point and again I'm not, I am not a psychologist.
I cannot you know.
We're self-diagnosing right now.
Yeah, pretty much but to me it's looking like an episode.
It's looking like an episode just from, I mean I have family members growing up that
were, that have shown like small amounts of like random tantrums or things like that and
I always question to myself like growing up like why are these family members doing what
they do?
Why are they getting so crazy out of the sudden?
Why are they doing these random things?
Like throwing things against the wall and stuff and later to, to could later to kind
of find out it seems like it's mostly just bipolar disorder.
Sounds bipolar and like a manic episode.
Or a manic episode.
Yeah, it's definitely kind of what it sounds like.
It's definitely something.
It's leading towards that.
It's not like normal, yeah.
Yeah.
So the next day on September 16th, 2009 Matrice tells her great-grandmother that she had plans
with some of her friends and she wasn't gonna come home for dinner that night.
Apparently Matrice and her great-grandmother always share dinner time together unless Matrice
had other plans or if she was working.
So her great-grandmother just says okay, have fun.
Matrice hops in her drop top.
No.
Matrice hops into her 1990, had a Civic and she drives from South LA to Malibu and according
to Google Maps that would be about an hour to an hour and a half drive.
But you know with traffic and I've heard LA traffic's fucking horrible.
It's pretty brutal.
It could be like two to three hours.
And something else that's important to make note of is Malibu is not what many think Malibu
is.
Malibu has a lot of nice big homes and beaches but they're mostly or for the most part are
very secluded and private.
Most people that go to Malibu just go to get away from the busy life in LA so there's
really not that much to do.
That's what I see whenever I think of like Malibu.
I think of like some beaches and stuff like that but like if there's homes it's just like
they're all secluded because you know.
And they just want to get away.
Yeah.
A lot of acre.
Like a lot of acre of land from all the wealthy people.
The wealthy people with the money.
We'll get there one day.
On a podcast called and that's why we drink.
We love that podcast.
It's a great podcast.
They briefly mentioned that after Matrice's family later found out she was in Malibu they
knew she was interested in attending Pepperdine University in Malibu.
Oh I've always wanted to go to Pepperdine.
That was like one of my like.
Bro that's the Zoe 101.
It is isn't it.
I know you see.
Oh wait no that was Hannah Montana that I was just doing.
No that was kind of.
Was the Zoe 101 or was it.
No it was Zoe 101 yeah.
No the thing that I was doing I think was Hannah Montana but I meant for Zoe 101.
Oh sorry.
It's Zoe 101 for sure.
Okay okay.
That's so cool.
If any people watch Amber Shull I love her she's so.
Amber Shull.
She's like a beauty.
Oh she does like true crime.
No no no she's like a beauty YouTuber I guess but she's known for her like broke bitch tips
so she.
Oh oh.
Had like no money when she first started and now she's like really successful and stuff
and she just creatures like be a bad bitch basically.
She's super great but anyway she went.
Be a bad bitch.
No that's like her whole brand she's so pretty too.
But she went to Pepperdine and she has like a tour on her YouTube of Pepperdine University
and it's so weird seeing it because it's literally Zoe 101.
Oh shit.
It seems like a class school to go to I'm not gonna lie.
Wait Quicks I know I'm so sorry to to tear so far away from this but um.
If anyone goes to any high rank schools let me know cause holy shit I want to know what
that's like.
I'm not like I don't know my lifetime.
Yeah I know.
I'm like cause me and my not very high rank school.
I was thinking about that the other day I was like I wonder if we have anyone that goes
to like UCLA or NYU that is just like oh I like this show a lot and we just don't know
that.
Korea I hope so.
We got some smart cuties out there.
We got some smart queens and things out there.
Oh.
Um so yeah they knew that she was interested in attending Pepperdine University in Malbu
so they figured that maybe she went to visit the campus and get a tour.
Like a campus tour.
Yeah just thinking of anything at this point.
Other than that though they knew no real reason of why she'd want to go to Malbu all alone.
During that drive friends of hers also recounted receiving these erratic text messages from
Matrice that they couldn't understand and later on that same day so it was October 16, 2009
Matrice eventually does arrive in Malbu and she pulls into a high end restaurant called
Jeffries Geoffries Malbu off the Pacific Coast Highway which just random fact it just so
happens to be right down the street from Steven Spielberg's Malbu mansion.
Oh.
Okay Steven.
Hey Steven.
Okay.
Yeah Kendall's a star.
Put him in.
I'm a star.
Hi.
Um so she drives up into the valley lot because she's bougie in her 1990s on the Civic.
Vintage.
The valley man just started to leave one of his cars that he was sitting in waiting for
customers walks up and tells her one second ma'am well I parked the car in front of you.
When he gets back he finds Matrice in his passion to see rambling through his CD collection
in his car.
Oh okay.
When he asks um what you doing?
Matrice responds I'm here to avenge the death of Michael Jackson.
Okay.
All right.
Um so just like all of us.
All right.
He's a little confused and he responds what?
And she just responds and says it's subliminal.
Oh.
Oh shit.
It's like artsy.
She is artsy.
She's artsy.
She's artsy for sure.
Wow.
Subliminal.
That sounds like a very like tumblr.
That sounds so like early 2000s too.
Like I can see that in a movie like it's subliminal.
The valley was super chill about this.
He even gets in the car with her and politely asks her to step out and then she asks him
hey is Vanessa here?
Confused he says um no there isn't a Vanessa that I know of.
So she's so picking about Vanessa.
Yeah.
They both get out.
He goes inside, lets the workers know she's a little weird.
There's something off about her so just like keep an eye out.
Watch out for her.
The restaurant is pretty accommodating and they say it's just cool to let her in and
we'll watch her and see what happens.
So Matrice does eventually walk into Jeffree's Malibu.
Jeffree's Malibu.
And she's seated at a table by herself and she orders an ocean breeze cocktail and a
Kobe steak dinner.
That sounds so good.
That sounds a good ass meal.
Oh I never ocean breeze Malibu in Malibu.
Ocean Breeze cocktail in Malibu.
Oh sorry.
Ocean Breeze cocktail in Malibu.
Yeah.
You could imagine what that tastes like.
That sounds amazing.
I'm starving right now too so anything sounds delicious.
Honestly I didn't eat dinner either.
No I didn't either.
After her drink comes she gets up and she walks over to a random table and she just invites
herself to sit.
There's not really a source that clarified this but it said that this was a table with
a couple of people sitting at it.
So a few people.
They all greet each other.
They're pretty nice and they ask her where she's from and she says I'm from Mars.
Okay.
I'm not.
Sister.
I don't know how you would respond.
I'm not very, I think personally I keep saying I.
I feel like I always say I.
I'm just relating to it I guess.
I feel like I'm not great at like, I love talking to people.
Don't get me wrong.
Well like when someone comes over to my table and says like when I'm at the coffee shop
and I'm researching, when I'm researching like one of our topics or something, I've had
times where like random people have come to just sit or like they'll be like can I just
sit like here, it's busy here or whatever and I get it like fine.
But like I'm just still awkward.
Like I am not a awkward person but when someone random comes up to me and just randomly bards
me out of nowhere and they're like hey I'm like oh hi.
I gotta like go off-scripts.
I'm not ready to talk to people.
So the people at this table weren't rude or anything but they're kind of just like okay
whatever and just playing along with the awkward moment.
I'm rude.
Yeah I'm rude too.
She starts talking about random topics like astrological signs with these people but they
aren't really understanding what she's saying because she's talking very quickly.
Okay fair.
I'd be into that, I'd be like so what sign are you?
I'm a Scorpio.
Who is it?
It's Ron, if you're listening to this, my friend Ron, he'll be like before you go on
the date or he'll be like after a date he'll be like so what's his sign?
And I'm like I didn't ask.
I don't know.
I forgot to ask.
I'm bitching you guys know I'm gonna figure that shit out before the date.
I always forget to ask that question.
I'm pretty sure I knew Simon's like pretty fast.
Really?
Fuck.
He's an Aquarius bitch.
I think I'm still like a novice right?
Novice is too good right?
No novice is like new.
New.
Beginner.
Yeah I'll say I'm a novice.
That's where I am.
No it's a humble beginner.
Humble beginner.
So the server comes over and asks are you all okay?
And they the server even offered the table a free drink because they knew that they let
this girl in and she was acting a little out of pocket so he was just trying to be like
hey guys you doing okay?
One guy at the table was saying she's bizarre but manageable.
Me?
That's what everyone says about me.
She's bizarre but manageable.
Bizarre but manageable.
And she had seemed super friendly so no one found her like threatening or anything.
They just thought she was a little weird.
Yeah.
If anything they actually just found her entertaining so she eventually goes back to her table,
eats her meal and at that point though she's like still going back and forth between the
two tables.
Yeah.
She's like maybe she's taking a bite and then she's like hey.
Hey.
How y'all doing over here?
Eventually that table does leave when they finish eating their meal and so does Matrice.
So she gets up and she heads for the door.
And she does, the manager runs up in front of her and blocks her from leaving to tell
her that she hasn't paid her bill.
Her bill added up to a whopping $89.51 and she tells the manager that she had figured
that the other table she sat with had paid her meal and the manager like literally stared
at her and told her no they didn't pay for your bill.
This is a Wendy's.
She then says well I'm busted what are we gonna do?
She just says that.
I'm busted.
Oh wow.
I feel like we're like laughing a lot but it's more because it's very bizarre.
But obviously clearly this is like a, she's definitely mental crisis.
The situation that she's in to me isn't a laughing matter.
Like I don't, I think we understand that by now there is something going on.
Clearly wrong.
She's definitely going through like a mental break.
A mental break and something's happening.
Even if something isn't right with her it makes sense to, I mean make light of some
things that are coming out of the situation because you know when it comes to like the
small things like the guys and you know the people at the restaurant they seem really
nice about this kind of thing.
Where I feel like most people like kind of like-
What if like turned her down or asked her to leave?
Or asked her to leave or like been assholes and it seems like this whole situation like
everyone kind of really just wanted her to be a guest there and they didn't really want
to make a big situation of it.
Yeah they wanted to like you know help her I guess.
Yeah yeah definitely all sad.
Yeah definitely not a funny situation but you know giving the yeah the bizarre predicament
it can be like a laughing matter in my opinion.
The manager would later state that she did seem very out of it as if she wasn't a trans
like state.
She was speaking a lot of weird gibberish under her breath.
So the manager instructs one of the hosts to dial the police and the hostess tells the
operator we have a guest here that's refusing to pay her bill.
She sounds pretty crazy.
She may be on drugs or something.
We want you to come up here and give her a ride.
Not long after the call about probably like 10 minutes later the police arrive and they
ask her what's up what's going on.
Tell us about yourself.
Like appeasing questions.
Yeah like just to calm her down.
Yeah just to like be at the good cop you want to make sure they don't go crazy on you.
She says my parents are dad my mother is mother earth and I live with my great grandmother
Mildred.
They say okay do you think you could give us a phone number to someone we could call
to help you out.
She does end up giving them her grandmother's phone number and when they get Mildred on
the phone they explain the situation to her and she's completely lost and confused at
this point because the whole time she thought Matrice was out with her friends in South
LA.
Yeah she wasn't far from home.
She was right down the street.
Yeah and she ended up in Malibu so she's like what the fuck.
Way far away from where she was supposed to be.
So the first thing Mildred wants to handle is on pay bill.
So she's like I'll go grab my card pay the bill over the phone but unfortunately the
manager says you can only pay in person because you have to sign for it.
So she tells the manager I don't think I can do that I'm 91 years old and I really shouldn't
drive that far at night.
The manager tells Mildred well the only other way to pay would be by faxing over your information
but Mildred didn't own a fax machine.
That really sucks it's like you're trying to solve this problem.
Yeah like she's trying her best.
She's like I will literally pay you.
Yeah this is not helping.
Let me pay you.
Give me my give me your like oh my god I'm sorry shit.
Take my money.
I'd be like forge my signature bitch you have my permission.
Yes.
How annoying.
I'm 91 years old and I drive my dad.
Yes he's literally an elderly woman like you're.
Yeah you're gonna make a drive up there to sign a piece of paper girl.
Oh god.
Soon the LA city sheriff's department arrive and Mildred is still speaking to Matrice on
the phone.
Mildred would later share that Matrice sounded very unbothered by the whole situation as
if it was fun or like funny.
That's what I was expecting.
Matrice really worried her grandmother which I mean her great grandmother which as it should.
It would definitely worry me.
That's definitely.
Oh my god.
Some alarm bells that she thinks this is funny.
Yeah.
So Mildred calls up Matrice's mother Latrice and catches her up on all that the police
told her about while the police are giving Matrice a sobriety test which crazy enough
shows that she was very much indeed sober.
Police were surprised by this considering that when they went through her car, her Honda
Civic, they found three pints of alcohol, a case of beer and less than an ounce of marijuana
in the center console.
Oh.
At that point they decided to impound her car but that's like probably what the like officers
or everyone was thinking at first is she's clearly on something.
Yeah.
But this just goes to show that she definitely was just having like a mental break like she
was definitely not on anything.
Yeah, definitely.
So they did end up arresting Matrice on grounds of defrauding an innkeeper which is basically
just like stealing without paying.
Yeah.
And marijuana possession for the less than an ounce of marijuana they found in the car.
I'm not surprised.
And at that point too it was illegal because it's 2009.
Unfortunately I guess.
2009.
Latrice calls the Malibu Lost Hills police station and asks the deputy if Matrice was
at their station and if they would be releasing her that day.
She stated that she was stressed and worried for her daughter's mental health and begged
them not to let her leave until she arrived the next morning.
The deputy assures Latrice that her daughter will remain in the holding cell until morning
and she can come get her then.
But unfortunately Latrice would never get that phone call from her daughter.
Matrice got to the station, got her mugshot and was placed into the holding cell.
I don't love that picture but here's a side by side.
Oh yeah.
She looks so pretty in the left one.
I know.
She definitely does look like she looks tired.
So we were just like looking at her mugshot picture and there's, I'll post this one to
her Instagram, the one that we're looking at right now is like a side by side photo
of Matrice.
She looks amazing.
Probably for her pageant.
Probably for her pageant or modeling shoot or something.
And then the other one is her mugshot and she looks like she is tired.
She doesn't look herself.
She's not there.
Yeah.
She doesn't look herself.
So I don't, that's blatantly clear.
So the deputy that took Latrice's call never informed the watch commander about the call
explaining that Matrice was not okay to leave the prison until her mother came to get her
and the deputy ended up going home.
So at this point, just to clarify, deputy was the one that received the call.
Watch commander is the one watching over her.
She goes home and does not tell the watch commander about the phone call.
Big mistake.
Very bad miscommunication.
Yes.
Definitely simple human error, but a big one.
Couldn't go a long way.
Yeah.
Matrice didn't even know that her mom called worried and said she'd pick her up the next
day.
So around 1230 AM, the watch commander lets Matrice out of her cell and tells her you
can either stay in the lobby until morning or you can leave.
It's times like this.
I wish I could just go back in time and be there to be like, Hey, no, don't do that.
Please.
Don't let her leave.
Let her stay, please.
Her mom will be here in the morning.
It's okay.
Matrice asked to make a phone call to her friend.
Then after she tells the watch commander she was leaving and that her friend will come
get her.
So Matrice walked out of the station into the night.
This is midnight, by the way.
1230 AM.
Her car was impounded 12 miles away from the station and the deputies wouldn't give her
ride to her car and just keep in mind that Malbu is very rural.
So she's just like wandering at that point.
That's so fucking messed up.
I can't believe that the deputies didn't even.
But you know why it's crazy is that I think, I don't know where I like when I heard about
this case the first time, one of the interviews had connected it to Mel Gibson in the area
because apparently he has a house in Malibu.
And I think they were saying that like, it's ironic that they don't want to give her a ride.
Yeah, they would give Mel Gibson a ride to his car when he had the same like problem
when he was drunk or something and they just gave him a ride.
Like privilege.
At 535 AM, Latrice calls the station first thing to a range bail.
But police tell her that Matrice is free to go around midnight 30.
Latrice is freaking out.
She hangs up and then she calls back asking if she can file a missing persons report right
away.
But the deputy advises that she wait a couple hours because she might turn up.
No.
I hate when I do that.
So stupid.
Don't wait.
Like literally makes things so much worse.
I think they say this at morbid over exaggerate.
Like, don't do the least amount.
Like even with police, whether it's police officers, whether you see something that you
think is like happening like over exaggerate.
If you think something is wrong, like.
Yeah, make it sound so much more worse.
More worse than it is because.
Or else they're going to.
It's too late.
It takes a minute for something to happen to somebody.
The first 24 hours are literally the most crucial in a missing person too.
Because the fact that they're telling her to wait a couple hours.
Stupid.
An hour later, a former news anchor Bill Smith calls the station six miles away in Montenito,
Montenito, telling police that there was a black female wearing a black top and blue
jeans about five five laying on his porch.
When he asked her if she was okay, she responded just resting.
Oh, oh my heart.
I just got let out of midnight.
I was going to cry.
I was like, yeah, I feel bad for her because it's like 24.
And then like I just think about like people I know myself, like I was alone and I was
having troubles like and this again, this goes beyond just like her having another mental
like a mental breakdown or something like this goes beyond in anything that goes on
within your body.
Like when you are neglected because the police doesn't want to help you or like keep you
even like safe from going outside at 12, 30 in the morning, I couldn't imagine.
Like, I would be terrified.
Like put it, put it, P, P of the real quick.
If let's say you go somewhere, let's say you go to some foreign state or
country you've never been to before.
It's like, imagine if you're in both fuck nowhere and you've been arrested.
Let's say you've been arrested for, you know, being drunk and being loud in
the street or some who knows.
And you get arrested.
You're at the station.
They let you go in the middle of the night and you have no way of getting home.
You don't have your car.
Your stuff is all in your car.
Midnight.
And it's midnight.
Like what the fuck do you do?
Or why would you even let people, it's just so frustrating.
But it's interesting though that, cause in a case like that, I would stay in the lobby.
Yeah.
Interesting that she would want to leave.
Mindset was still not clear because she left.
Clearly like, I feel like most people would have stayed.
She stayed there if they had the option.
Yeah.
But that's the thing that sucks.
It's just that like, I know that the person that was doing, yeah, it's not her fault,
but I also know the person, I guess, quote unquote, that didn't know that she needed to be let out.
Like she kept, she had to stay there.
Which is let her go in the middle of the night anyways.
Like why that time though?
Yeah, that is really random.
But it's also like not necessarily their fault.
Cause we don't know.
Yeah.
I guess miscommunication though, I think is definitely something.
Like fuck everything up.
Yeah.
Gotta be careful about.
Yeah.
So just a reminder, she's laying on this man's porch.
She tells him that she's just resting and it took Malibu police three hours to show up on scene.
See that, there you go.
By the time they came, she was long gone because she left minutes after the police were called.
And sadly, this was probably the last sighting of her life.
Two days passed and police decided to start a search for Matrice after Latrice had repeatedly called the station multiple times.
The matter was handed to LAPD's missing persons unit.
And they did find she prints similar to the ones Matrice wore that night when she left the station.
The prints appeared to be walking then running into Malibu canyon, which they chose not to inspect.
Okay.
After a couple days, there were still no leads and the LAPD missing persons unit eventually hands over the case to LAPD homicide unit.
The homicide unit gathered all of her latest social media account posts and text messages to deem that prior to a disappearance,
Matrice Richardson had been sleep deprived for multiple days, considering what they ranked up.
It seemed that she would write about a hundred lengthy posts a day.
So just back to back.
Making her stay on social media.
My psychologist also looked into her case and shared that Matrice had most likely suffered from undiagnosed bipolar disorder.
So what we were thinking.
Investigators did find her phone, keys, wallet and her ID in her car.
And she also had $2,000 in her bank account.
So I mean she had enough.
Yeah, she was able to pay the bill.
That's so weird though.
It's like even, see that's the thing.
Again, I'm not a psychologist.
I can't diagnose anyone the right way or the wrong way, whatever.
I can't do anything.
I can't say anything, but what I can say is maybe my opinion.
And I think that in that case where she was at the restaurant, she had money.
She had $2,000 sitting in her bank account.
She had money to cover that.
And it's like, why put yourself through that if you could have just resolved it.
So that's what I always wonder.
I'm like, what plays into someone's psyche versus something that should just be there and known.
Like if you have that, get yourself out of that situation.
Don't be yourself deeper in it and then get yourself arrested.
She would have avoided all of this.
All of that.
So I'm like so skeptical.
I'm like, why would she put herself through all of that?
Like she could have just been on her way.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe not with the marijuana possession, but.
Yeah, true.
Oh, okay.
When the investigators checked her phone records at the station to see who she called to pick her up.
She called her grandmother four times, but Miljord would later admit that she may have been asleep.
But if she heard her phone ring, knowing her great-granddaughter was in trouble, she would have answered it.
Okay.
That was gross, probably napping.
LAPD, a homicide unit, were confused as to why Malbu Sheriff's office just let someone with potential mental illness walk free,
with no money.
That's what I'm saying.
Phone, transportation, or ID.
I mean, in reality, it was like not the person, the watch commander's fault, letting her go.
It was definitely the deputy that answered that phone call that promised that he would let the mother know.
Yes, it's not the watch commander's fault in the sense of like, they didn't know that the mom called her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this is like a good point. LAPD, homicide unit, made a good point of like, they knew that she had mental illness.
Yes, yeah.
And I'm assuming the watch commander would know that.
Would know that.
There would have to be some type of like meeting before they leave, right, where it would come up.
Yeah.
Like a sign off.
Yeah.
The main thing about this case too that I know of is that, is that they did not, and from what I like, just notice about this case is that they did not do full.
Like reports like they should normally, like they didn't do correct investigations.
They didn't. I think when you're supposed to log everything, that's the officer, right? If I'm not mistaken.
And I think they just missed everything.
Like.
Okay, but wait, because in response to that, in response to, you know, LAPD being like, what the fuck y'all doing?
Yeah.
To MailBoo Sheriff's Office, they said that she showed no signs of mental illness or intoxication.
She was fine and she's an adult.
Oh, they said shut the fuck up.
And that sounds more of like a cop out.
Like they were like, she was fine.
She looked fine.
She looked fine to me.
Yeah.
Whatever.
It was also questionable, that was a questionable response because the CCTV footage facing her cell shows her shaking the cell bars.
Like she wants to get out probably.
See, yeah.
Okay.
Like, it's all laid out for you.
So at this point, I believe this is like 10 days later now, on September 29, 2009, the board of supervisors approved a $10,000 reward for anyone that had any information
of Matrice's disappearance, but nothing came about it.
Instantly, this case became very big.
Matrice appeared on the cover of People Magazine in November 2009, and media outlets from all over were just like attacking this case and eating it up.
The LAPD conducted months and months of search parties, as well as her own family in the area, and they found absolutely nothing.
There was a sighting in Las Vegas, but it wasn't her, and the case sadly ended up going cold.
We're starting to go cold.
I thought the cold hit me for even sadder cold.
Yeah, no kidding.
On August 9, 2010, so about a year later, state park rangers in a remote part of Malbu Canyon,
AKA that dark canyon where the police initially skipped over during their first search because they didn't feel the need to,
came across mummified human skeletal remains.
The skull was found separated from the spine and about two miles away from where the former news anchor reported the woman on his porch.
So essentially, for the skull to be separated from the spine is insane.
And it was only two miles away from that guy's porch, which means she ran, walked and ran.
It was suspicious.
Well, like, when they first tracked her whereabouts, they tracked the prints, and they were like walking and then running,
and they went into that, um, the Malbu Canyon.
That's weird, though, that they didn't decide to track into it.
But the thing is, is what I'm trying to say is that was only two miles away from the porch.
So two miles is not that much of a walk.
Oh, that isn't.
No, it's not.
It is like a kind of long distance.
But like, if you're looking at it the way, like, if you're looking for help or something like that,
or if you're walking to find something, I feel like two miles can be quick like that.
But it's the fact that she probably ended up like passing away shortly after she left.
Oh, no doubt.
I think she, I guess we don't know.
Like those two miles.
Yeah, I was gonna say I guess we don't know.
But I think that she's like walking and running, and then, I mean, she just hears,
I feel like she wouldn't have stayed in the canyon for that long for her to have been like.
She probably would have just stayed where she was, if anything, if she really just wanted to sleep or rest.
Like why would she leave?
I feel like.
Well the cops are called, so maybe she was just trying to find somewhere else.
Yeah.
But it's just the fact that it was literally shortly after she left the guys porch,
and then she ran and walked two miles away into the Grand Air then.
This is a whole year after that.
Holy shit.
And that they found her.
Yeah.
Yes.
And to be honest, I mean, for her spine to be separated from her skull.
From her skull?
That would mean.
That's not normal.
That's, yeah, that would be like foul player if she like.
Yeah.
Really badly injured herself.
Like if she fell.
She would have to do some hard stuff.
I think that would have to be like a fluke of falling.
I don't think your body would just like fucking explode like that.
No.
Like your head.
It would take a lot of force.
That's scary.
Yeah, that's not scary.
I'm questioning.
So if you guys can guess that body was positively identified as the remains of Matrice Richardson.
And the disappearance led to obviously a lot of questions and outcry before and after Matrice's remains were even found.
The Richards Richardson family fights to this very day.
Very, very hard to have justice for their daughter's death.
And how the Malibu Sheriff deputies handled her arrest and the middle of the night release to this day.
Amen.
As they should.
According to Los Angeles Times, the county's then office of independent review concluded in a report that deputies at the Malibu Lost Hill Station
acted appropriately the night Richardson was released and gave her the chance to say voluntarily.
They had no legal justification, the report said, to deprive her of her freedom.
Again, fair.
It's like a fair statement, but it's also like how the fuck did you guys not see that something was clearly off with.
That is just the bug.
Also, where was the disconnect of like, we have a lady here who's like freaking out and she's very clearly on drugs or mentally ill.
You guys need to come pick her up.
Yeah.
So they come pick her up and arrest her and then they're like, oh, she left behind me.
She was, no, she was not fine.
Did they not did the restaurant like not tell you, I know for sure.
Yeah, she was saying all this weird stuff.
She like did this.
She went over and told the people that she's from Mars.
Like, where was that disconnect of like, oh, we didn't know.
I don't know this is sweet either.
So I was afraid to put this up before because please don't come for me.
Please for throwing out allegations, but not fact allegations.
Like, yeah, allegation.
This is just solely from what I saw speculation on the internet, but I saw some speculation that reportedly and they didn't report this down or anything.
But apparently some say that the police have went back to the restaurant that they got her from before she was found and they tried to make it seem like she was going crazy or something.
I have been an episode more than she actually was and they said that they wouldn't do that.
So I'm not saying that that happened.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but that's something I saw and it kind of like got my attention.
Yeah.
Matrice's mom, her family and many supporters still believe that there was fall play and that the police covered up whatever happened.
Maybe it would have happened.
Yeah.
Although the LAPD has denied there being any fall play.
Although who knows because the manner of death was never determined by LA County's coroner's office.
But what they can identify like death from like thousands of years ago and they can't identify her as yeah, hers is just...
We don't know.
I doubt that.
In 2011, the Richardson family got a little bit of justice as much as they fucking could.
They sued the county and they received a settlement of about $900,000.
Okay.
Can't bring her back, but...
You know.
You know you made a dent in the justice system a little bit.
Yeah.
Hopefully.
About paying bills and general expenses.
Yeah, hopefully.
And free and all fees and all.
The case is currently an open case, although cold.
And more recently in March of 2022, so like last year, the LA County Board of Supervisors raised an extended reward of $20,000 for any information leading to their arrest and conviction of anyone responsible for Matrice's death.
But that is all.
That is the mysterious disappearance and death of Matrice Richardson.
Good job.
That was a really good job.
So proud of you.
That case...
Oh boy.
Clearly, I always have to share my thoughts.
I personally believe that she definitely was in like a manic episode.
She ran her happy ass away from the guy's porch because he called the cops.
So she was scared that she didn't want to get arrested again.
She ran to the canyon where she fell.
Like that's...
That's your theory?
I think it was just like a simple shot.
She may have accidentally fell or something.
Like she fell and maybe she fucking hit a rock on the way down in the wrong spot.
Because I mean that spot like in between your spinal cord.
So maybe she fell backwards or something.
Yeah, like I'm pretty sure if you hit it hard enough like it can cause some type of separation or something.
Yeah, one part about... I guess the hardest part about reporting true crime is that it's very hard to acquire autopsy reports or not that I would want to look at them but like even photos really understand like the placement and stuff because I feel like one thing is hard to figure out to me is what position was she found in.
Like she may have been in a canyon but was she found like under like a couple levels of like SSG that fell or did she like was it right on the surface level?
Like she was just there and found.
So that's also weird.
My opinion would change if she was found depending on where she's found.
From what it sounds like.
Like that's the only thing I can think of.
But I mean clearly if they found her like at the entrance or surface level where clearly she probably wouldn't have felt and I would think that there is some type of foul play.
But it also seems like random.
The last thing and I'm not just saying like I want to believe it because I love the conspiracies.
I really don't want to believe that the police could be capable of covering up things.
I'm not saying that it hasn't happened in the past because we all know what officials to be capable of.
No kidding.
I don't want to believe it.
If that was the case and I'm saying it is again.
I'm not throwing that out there and saying this was the case.
But if it were to be the case.
I could see it in the light that the police knew that they weren't supposed to let her go.
And after they had let her go.
I think maybe they knew that she wasn't coming back or something.
I don't say that.
I honestly don't think they did anything to her physically but I could believe that they may have known that she was just gone and they may have looked for her.
I feel like it's just crazy to think though because like you said there were so many search parties and no one found her for all that time.
But it's still a little shady to me because when you have mentioned the part where they saw the footsteps leading up to it.
That's what I look at.
And then decided not to look into it.
They didn't investigate.
Investigate that area.
How would you just be like oh those are her footprints and then be like oh we're not going to follow those.
And then Park Rangers find her a year later.
So that's what's really just weird to me that somehow that one area just decided to get overlooked.
And then you know what Park Rangers found her.
So then that does have me thinking that she would have probably fallen or she was in a hidden spot because a year later and Park Rangers found her.
Park Rangers found her.
You would think that if she was in an obvious spot or noticeable spot that like passerbyers would have found her.
But nevertheless what an interesting just case because it just comes to show like you really have to again if you see someone in your family or friends.
Anyone that's around you or associates that are having a manic episode or something and just because they're not diagnosed with something doesn't mean they don't have it.
They just may not be diagnosed yet or you know if even you you're having really sour thoughts all of a sudden because I think there's a there's a if I'm not wrong about this.
If I'm not wrong I believe that it's shown to be that when you have bipolar disorder sometimes it doesn't show until your early 20s.
Yeah.
So maybe she was 24 so maybe it was just starting the show.
And that was what was happening.
I think it's kind of started showing with I mean that makes a lot of sense the whole Vanessa thing kind of showed there because when you said that she was at the ballet part she was like is Vanessa.
Yeah it's Vanessa here.
I think she was still kind of like struggling about the Vanessa thing even though it seemed like maybe she wasn't.
That's very much definitely I agree with you there because that is something that someone with diagnosed bipolar disorder.
I was gonna say something sparks it something like impulsive.
Yeah acting on your thoughts and something it wraps inside of you taking.
Yeah exactly.
Like she really was like I'm gonna drive six hours and Vanessa is gonna be so happy to see me and just like a distorted view on reality where I was like we would be like if I were to drive six hours and go surprise her like she probably think I'm crazy.
I can't do that.
Like she'd think I'm crazy.
I'd ruin everything.
Yeah.
Like ruining any chance I have.
Yeah I can't go.
Things like yeah that makes total sense and again we're not diagnosing her.
I mean they weren't unfortunately weren't able to in time.
I mean the psychologist did say they did say they figured that this was the case and I mean it really sounds to me personally.
Yeah yeah yeah I'd be self diagnosed and people all the time.
I yeah it's really to do that.
It's so easy to do that.
I feel bad sometimes by doing that but it's truly simple here because I feel like we have a psychologist to back us up.
Yeah I mean it's really textbook though.
Like I'm not gonna lie.
No you're right.
No you're definitely right about that.
And the way she was acting definitely sounds very textbook to me.
Her death is a fucking mystery.
I mean I think that she probably just fell but like who the fuck knows.
Her spine was her head was just so beautiful.
It's so weird to me though.
I just can't wrap my head around it because I'm like I don't like when people I guess when I'm looking at it I'm not on the outside looking at it.
I always get like kind of mad because I'm like when people die or something and they were like oh well they were you know bipolar and stuff like that.
I feel like someone has knowledge of knowing before they die but it was late too so I'm like I'm thinking if you know like you said like if she slept and I think like.
Yeah I don't think like she fell because she's bipolar.
Oh yeah yeah yeah.
She just fell because she fell.
Yeah because she fell and it was late.
It was late that night.
Yeah because it was she got let out at 12 30 and then I think it was 5 30.
It was 5 something.
It was really early in the morning so maybe it's not dark but like she's fucking tired.
She's sleep deprived.
It's that she hadn't slept in three days.
Yeah she might have slept in just.
Yeah like she's disoriented because she's tired.
Yeah.
I just so wish the I don't know I just wish it was handled in a different way.
I think this case this case could have been completely.
So much better.
So the truth could have been alive today had they dealt with this situation in a different
way had they have not you know made her feel like some kind of like.
Crazy criminal and crazy person like what the way they kind of like didn't and again
it just comes back to like that one little thing like had the had the officer that got
that call just told the other person because they know they're not going to be there all
night.
That was like the domino effect.
Yeah.
The real domino effect would have been like Matrice deciding not to pay when she cut off.
Yeah.
Like clearly altered mind state.
Yeah.
So the real reason this all starts is because of that like you were saying.
Yeah.
It just didn't get communicated.
The communication was off and I feel so bad because her mom really seemed like.
She cared.
She knew.
Like her mom knew and she cared and her mom was like I'm worried about my daughter and
I really feel like something's off about her.
I really need to make sure she's going to be okay there.
I'd be interested.
I'm sure it's out there somewhere but if like bipolar or mental illness runs in her family.
That's a good question.
I do wonder that.
Wow.
If anyone knows let us know.
Yeah.
Let us know.
But again that was what a great what a great case to just share to everyone and I hope this
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