Before we start this episode, a quick advisory.
Today's episode does cover sexual assault and child abuse.
If you don't want to listen, we do understand and we will catch you next week on the next
episode.
The horror began in June 1984.
Los Angeles was under siege.
Death waited in the dark at the hands of a man they called the Night Stalker.
I'm Kendall.
And I'm Bree.
And this is When the Light...
Goes out.
With a twist.
Hey everyone.
I'm your host today.
Oh shit, I bumped into the fucking mic.
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So this is all for you guys.
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Sorry we were gone for two weeks.
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Here's us making it up for you.
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Midnight.
It is.
Yeah, we're tired but we are fighting through this and today is this very special day because
not only is it Friday the 13th.
Not only is it part two of the Night Stalker aka Richard Ramirez.
But today Bree is telling the story.
She's wrapping it up for us.
Part two.
Alright, so take it away Bree.
It's story time.
Alright.
Okay.
So to set the scene, we are at the home of two sisters in their 80s in the hills in Monrovia,
California.
Mabel Bell aged 83 was in a vulnerable state of sleeping when a malignant figure walks up
to her bed post.
The figure starts to then tape her legs and hands with electrical tape to the four bed
post frames in the spread eagle position.
Sexually solves her and then begins to brutally batter her in the head with a hammer.
He had found lying around in the house.
He then leaves the room and walks down the narrow hallway to her sister Florence's fling
bedroom.
Nearby, he finds a heavy instrument and begins to beat her with no hesitation.
Fortunately, Florence had still been breathing though and clinging to her life when police
and ambulance arrived from a 911 call that a worried neighbor had made.
Oh my god.
This is like two innocent old ladies living together.
They're sisters.
It's so cute too.
And like pure.
And someone just comes in and does that shit.
It's also like pretty heavy.
Yeah.
It is pretty heavy.
So another crazy thing is that police found banana peels, mountain dew cans and other
half feet eaten food laying around the living room and kitchen.
It turns out that both Florence and Mabel both did not eat any of that and did not leave
it around the house.
So basically that means that Richard broke in, beat those poor women senselessly, killing
the one and then decided to ravage through their food.
Yeah.
Just stay in their house.
Just stay there and just get some food.
Like what the fuck?
Yeah.
Whoa.
That's not.
I'm sorry to laugh guys.
That's not.
I'm not laughing because it's funny.
I'm laughing because it's really uncomfortable.
Yeah.
That's heavy.
That's really sinister to stay in the house.
To stay in the house after the people you just beat in are living and creaking to death.
Yeah.
Right.
Clinging to life.
Yeah.
Clinging to life.
Thank you.
I'm sorry.
Oof.
What had also been found were two pentagrams that Richard left behind that were drawn
with red lipstick on Mabel's leg and on the wall.
So now Richard is just getting very cocky.
Yeah.
He's just leaving things behind.
He's just going for it.
Yeah.
He's also like changing his, not that he really had an MO, but I feel like he's starting
to get more.
He's adding to it.
He's getting really, yeah.
He's getting really like, oh, they don't know what, they don't know what's mean.
Yeah.
Like he's getting more cocky for sure.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Richard knows that the police are struggling.
So now he's leaving behind a signature symbol.
Yeah.
I guess kind of what, like feed them on.
Yeah.
Feed them on.
I think he's kind of like make poking at it.
Trying to get that trademark.
Yeah.
Like poking fun at it.
Serial color thing, yeah.
Oh.
Charles Manson and the Manson cult, they often did something very similar where they would
leave behind a symbol or a message that often said helter sculptor.
Yeah.
We'll have to cover them sometime.
That'll be really crazy.
So maybe he found inspiration.
I think he did.
It seems like he like did a lot of like.
Seems like he found a lot of inspiration.
Yeah.
This fucker did a lot of fucking usage.
Clearly.
Jesus.
Ironically, Inspector Frank Salerno recalls this familiar pentagram from an old case.
And so he goes and he finds this case file and he realizes that months prior in the LA
area, there was a driver that was pulled over for a traffic violation leaving the area where
officers had just received a call about a young girl that had been sexually assaulted
or sorry, sexually harassed by a tall, skinny, Hispanic man with long, curly black hair and
a terrifying grin.
That sounds familiar.
Sounds familiar to me.
When the officer had pulled this guy over, the man had no identification and so he pulls
him out of the car, checks him and says, stay here.
I'll be right back.
Rookie move.
You have to be a new guy.
Oh yeah.
For sure.
The cop goes to grab a citation slip and the minute the officer looks the other way, the
man flees leaving a pentagram on the dirty windshield of the vehicle.
How cocky, man.
He really took that time to make the pentagram before he fled.
Before he fled.
He was that confident.
Yeah.
He really said like, uh-uh.
I'mma do this.
And then I'mma leave.
What's chilling to me too is that like, we're just not hearing about these pentagrams in
this case, but like that happened before like he started doing these murders.
So like-
Yeah, this was like his first, maybe he like remembered.
Yeah, I guess so.
Like this is my thing I guess.
Oh wow.
Okay.
Um, so that person had unfortunately never been caught and that car was later found to
have been stolen and had been impounded.
So keep that in mind because this will come back later in the story as most things do.
So at this point, more and more is just starting to connect, but annoyingly all the evidence
was being found in various counties and that means different police forces are handling
each case, which means they're really not working together at this point.
Which is really fucked.
This actually happens a lot.
So those dots just are not connecting the way that we think they would.
Yeah.
Because the counties normally do not work together unless they know that like it's actually
happening and they have a case and they build it because that is a lot of them.
Which is so frustrating.
Oh yeah, I feel like these cases would be solved so much faster.
So much quicker.
Like this could have been done had they just-
Worked together.
Yeah, they noticed.
Yeah, definitely.
I guess it comes down to that too, but.
So the murder spree just starts to become a competition at this point.
Their police squads are being too stubborn to put their egos aside to catch this murderer
and they'd rather work independently rather than as a collective unit, it seems.
Now this case starts to literally get a little too close to home for LAPD County Sheriff Linda
Arthur.
According to the docu-series Night Stalker to Humphreys Serial Killer, on July 7th,
1985, Linda Arthur had been hot-tubbing with friends at her house when they had prepared
for bed.
Soon after, one of Linda's friends frantically goes up to Linda and says, hey, there's someone
calling your name outside from the backyard.
They keep yelling for Miss Arthur.
So Linda being a little frightened had sewer backyard and looks over to the next house
to see that it's her neighbor yelling for her.
She tells her, quote, my house has been broken into, he rapes me and cuffed me to the bed.
Please help, end quote.
Oh my god, that's frightening.
That is very scary.
Oh, imagine, oh, your neighbor.
I can imagine like, first of all, like the thought of, the thought of like your friends,
like someone's out there calling for you.
Like who the hell is calling for me?
Yeah, I'd be like why?
In the middle of the night, like it's late.
So like, oh, oh, that gives me chills.
Just thinking about, I'm like.
Stalker strikes.
Yeah.
And this is a, well, this is a LA.
LAPD sheriff.
So the fact, oh, like that has to be terrifying just to think about already as an officer.
Right in her backyard.
Like literally he's, right, he's stroke strikes right in her backyard.
Yeah.
Not the stroke.
The neighbor described the intruder as a tall Hispanic male with black hair in his early
twenties.
Chilling enough, one of Linda's friends had said she swore she felt eyes on the girls
while hot tubbing, but shrugged it off as being one of the neighbors or her eyes playing
tricks on her from all the steam the hot tub had produced.
Hell no.
Follow your intuition people.
No.
Follow your intuition.
Like literally when you feel eyes on you, eyes are on you.
Yeah.
Oh, that gives me chills.
Like, sitting in a hot tub and you're like.
I feel something.
Yeah.
And that's like a vulnerable state too.
Yeah.
Because you're in a swimsuit, you're like in a very.
You're probably drinking too, I would think.
In your own home, your own backyard.
Yeah.
You feel safe, but you're not safe.
Just to think it could have been like, I don't know, like I don't know if you got worried
that too many of them are, I don't know.
It's probably too many.
Too many of them, but like to think that a secret color was staring at you in the hot
tub.
Yeah.
And then goes for your neighbor instead.
Yeah.
Oh, please.
Oh my God.
Okay.
So all of that happened roughly between 2.30 a.m. to 3.00 a.m. and then that same day later
in the morning, one mile away in Monterey Park, six year old beloved grandmother, Joyce
Nelson, who had been relaxing peacefully in her home had been ambushed by an intruder.
He works fast.
He works very quickly.
Yeah.
Fuck.
And then it beats, bounded her arms and stomped on the side of her head so hard that he left
a footprint on the side of her head.
Holy fucking shit.
Holy shit.
You know how much force you would need to fucking.
Holy shit.
Yes.
Like that's a lot of fucking force.
You would need to stop on someone's head and leave a print.
That man had his stomping.
What were they?
Some fucking tennis shoes?
Yeah, they're tennis shoes.
Oh my God.
Oh, they're Vias.
Stop and boot.
Vias, they're Vias shoes.
I don't even know what a Vias are.
I don't think they're huge.
I don't think they're made anymore, probably not.
They're like, they're small companies.
I feel like they're probably like European.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, something like that.
Big in different countries.
Yeah.
Let us know if all of our European countries wear Vias.
Yeah, if you guys know, let us know.
Let us know if them bitches are like stopping boots because what the hell.
Oh my God.
Anyway, back to the very graphic.
Yes.
Okay.
Joyce Nelson definitely put up a fight.
The autopsy had shown that she had torn her nails off, clawing her intruder.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So she was fighting.
She was the strong, she was a strong one.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Oh, that's so sad.
But of course, this break in did not satisfy Ramirez's sexual needs.
So this monster walks down the street into the home of Sophie Dickman, where he had forced
his way in and just rapes her.
Oh.
Goes into her house.
Raps her.
At this point, more and more news stations were catching up on the commonality between
the murders.
So they're kind of seeing those patterns.
Yeah.
They're noticing these things or adding it together.
And the police are really trying to keep everything they know close to the chest.
So the killer does not suspect which murders they've connected together and kind of what
information they have.
Which is smart.
Yeah.
And I guess that's really annoying because I guess if you think about it, you always
see this on the news and like I feel like I always want more information.
Yeah.
Especially like with a lot of these cases.
They're normally pretty smart though for keeping it close.
But they're yeah.
Because I was going to say they it takes one minute to break it investigation because obviously
especially today, like we all have TVs.
We all have the news at our fingertips.
Yeah.
We're keeping up with that, especially for something like this.
Like we're keeping up.
Yeah.
We're going to keep up with it.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
But obviously the press is still very hungry to get their stories out there and they do.
You know, somehow some way the press be wild and they be wild and they get their info.
They did.
They really do.
So at this point, the police station begins to get flooded with calls from alleged witnesses.
At least 200 calls and tips are coming in in one day and the stations actually follow
up on every single lead they get.
Some actually are solid leads, but most are complete trolls and frauds such as wives claiming
it's their husband and print calls.
Okay.
I can imagine.
Don't waste police time.
That was a lot of time.
You know, don't waste their time.
I don't know.
Especially if they're following up on every single lead.
I was going to say that's a lot of money they're putting into investigation.
Oh, easy.
Time, money, energy.
Oh, everything.
Oh, we saw that with the Halloween party murder.
I believe where people, oh my God, there's so many phone calls.
Why?
And I'm pretty sure that's illegal, bitches.
Don't fucking...
It is.
Also, why?
Why?
You're literally messing with people's lives.
I can't even...
Oh my God, anyway.
Man, I will never, I will never get it.
I'll never get it either.
We are going to give the LAPD a little bit of credit because they were working overtime
to catch this guy and they are losing lots of time before that killer strikes again.
True.
I would be terrified as a police officer doing this case to think like, oh shit, like, are
their lives are in our hands.
Everyone in Los Angeles right now could be dead in the next morning because of this
ass hole.
Yeah, because we're not doing it fast enough.
Yeah, okay.
Man.
All right, so it's July 9th, 1985.
If you can recall, we did speak briefly about that stolen car with a pentagram that was
found written on the windshield.
After connecting the pentagram from the car to the pentagram at the grizzly murder scene
of the two sisters, Mabel Bell and Florence Lang, investigators finally request to inspect
the car at the pound where it had been kept for further evidence.
Unfortunately, the inspectors got to the vehicle a little too late.
I mean, obviously, it's what like months later.
Oh, it's been months later, yeah.
Obviously, it was too late to collect all those prints because they were all destroyed
while the car had been sitting in the 100 degree weather with the sun beating down on
it for months.
Yeah, I could have imagined.
It had been months.
Obviously, the sun, the wind, the rain.
It's gonna mess it up.
Everything.
Yeah, all the fingerprints and...
Oh, yeah.
Oh, wow, okay.
Although what investigators did find was a business card on the passenger side of the
car floor.
The business card was for a dental office in Chinatown with an address, phone number,
and the dentist's name, Dr. Peter Lang.
Hmm.
Finally, the LAPD and the investigators, they finally might have their best lead yet at
this point.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
In the grass, they had good evidence, but nothing to back it up.
Nothing to fully connect it to a person yet, but we're finally getting somewhere at this
point.
Without any delay, investigator detective Frank Salerno and Gil Carrillo find this dentist
to interview and find out that the suspect had just been in their office several days
prior.
Oh, fuck.
So had they found this business card sooner, they may have been able to catch him.
In addition, the name that the patient used being Richard Mina and their address on file
had both been fake.
Ugh.
This guy is clever in that way.
Let's tell you that.
He's not very smart in some way.
He's not very smart in a lot of ways, but he's smart about covering up his tracks in
that name.
In that name, in that name sense.
It's crazy how like this fucker is so dumb that he can't fucking remember to clean up
his shoe marks or whatever he has laid behind, but he's so good about covering up his name.
What they did get was an x-ray of the suspect's teeth and detective Carrillo hands it over
to one of his friends that happens to be a dentist and his dentist friend tells them,
quote, hey, I think we are close to cracking this case.
We have found these x-rays we think belong to this unknown killer.
What can you tell me about it?
End quote.
Mm-hmm.
So the dentist looks at these x-rays and says, quote, I can tell he's going to be back.
He's got an impacted tooth that is going to be killing him soon if it's not already.
He'll be back.
Yeah.
End quote.
The two investigators then figure out a plan to catch their target.
In doing so, they place two undercover cops to come in and wait for Richard to arrive for
that next dental appointment.
Because obviously that tooth killing his dumb ass.
Killing his dumb ass.
Fucking bitch.
Once again, remember at the beginning we said he has some fucked up teeth.
He has some fucked up teeth.
He really does.
Again, we'll see him pictures and then again you can look it up on our Instagram at WGGLTLGL.
I try to say it quickly at WTLGO podcast.
Check out those teeth.
Yeah.
They're not ugly.
The undercover cops come in every day for the next week hoping and praying that this
guy will come in so they can corner him.
But of course, he never comes in.
Fuck.
So nothing comes to that.
The investigators are just like, all right, well maybe we're wasting our time having our
guys go in, wait for hours every day.
So let's just pull our guys out, replace them with a silent alarm that'll alert us as soon
as the dentist sees them.
Okay, so dentist sees them arrive, hits that alarm, notifies the cops.
Easy.
Right?
Yeah.
You thought.
July 15th.
Okay.
Okay guys.
Yeah.
Same day.
They pull the undercover cops out, install the alarm system.
Richard Ramirez comes in for his appointment.
Cops had just missed him.
Oh my God.
Only did they pull out their cops and miss physically being there when the dentist actually
did hit the alarm multiple times.
Might I add the alarm completely malfunctioned so the cops never notified.
Oh my God.
I would be so fucking mad.
Well, first of all, I'd be mad as a cop for this fucking come chapter not working the
right way.
Fuck.
Yeah, literally.
Your guy is right there.
It's the same day that you pulled out your cops.
The same day.
The same fucking day.
Oh God, that really bites.
So once again, back to square one.
Oh God.
So we're at five days later, July 20th, 1985, murders still continuing.
We're at Lendale, California now onto our next victim.
Judith Needing Arnold had pulled up to her elderly parents house with her daughter after
trying to reach them via phone all day.
Her parents were Max and Linda Needing.
Nighting, Needing.
Singus Needing.
Needing.
Okay.
When she walked up to the home, she immediately knew something was off because her parents'
gate to their backyard pool had been open and she knew they were very, very particular
about keeping that gate closed.
Fair.
The side door to the home was also wide open.
Once she entered the home, Judith let out a blood-curdling scream because she had just
found her parents sprawled out on their bed.
The entire room had been ransacked and covered in blood.
Apparently both of her parents had been killed from gunshot wounds and knife wounds to their
upper torsos.
Specifically Max, her father, had nearly been decapitated.
Just imagine having to explain why your child can't go in their grandparents' house.
That's so sad.
Just thinking about having your daughter with you and she hears her scream.
I can only think about that because growing up, my mom was always really always worried
about ever crying or screaming or doing anything around us and my brother because she was always
like, I don't want that.
I don't want my kids to see me in that state.
I can only imagine seeing your mom terrified in that sentence and just walking into that.
Oh my god.
And your parents, like, oh my god.
This guy is just going off on the rocks.
A second murder occurs that same day on July 20th.
You can tell by the evidence that it was the same person just miles away in Sun Valley.
The same person committing the crime just miles away in Sun Valley.
So obviously how did investigators know it was the same person because there was a perfect
imprint of a via shoe at the scene of the crime.
Oh my god.
Yeah, it's always a shoe.
I told you guys.
I told you.
I told you I'm part one.
He always had a spot on the litter box.
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Oh my god.
It's awful.
Okay.
No, literally.
Oh my god.
So the victim of this senseless crime was 32 year old.
Shayna wrong.
Covenant.
Where is that?
Shayna wrong.
Covenant.
You're right.
We're going to go with that.
I'm definitely wrong.
Yeah, you're right.
Shayna wrong.
Covenant.
That sounds better.
Yeah.
They were immediately shot in the temple at point blank range.
Wow.
Ramirez had shot and killed that victim.
He walks down the hall to his terrified wife and six year old son and violently sexually
assaults them both.
Fortunately, they did both live.
But unfortunately, they will live with that for the rest of their lives.
I'm like the kid like.
Why the kid?
Why?
Why the fuck leave the fucking kid out of it.
Don't like don't leave everybody out of it.
Yeah, don't touch anybody but like I like a child.
Like the kid six years old.
Six year old little boy.
And like in the in the in the again, I don't know really know how to frame this the right
way but like he's leaving these people alive and I feel like that's just as bad as killing
them like you're killing their souls when you do shit like this.
I mean they're just going to live like.
They have to live with this in fear.
Trauma I can only imagine what trauma that would leave you with.
God's.
Some strong.
Sorry, I'm going to do that.
Oh my God.
All right, so we're into the new month of August 6 1985 specifically the night in Northridge,
California.
Ramirez casually stumbles upon the home of Chris and Virginia Peterson.
He walks in goes into the bedroom takes out his pistol and shoots Virginia on the left
side of her nostril.
Then as Chris Peterson steps up in the bed after he hears that you shot in the right
side of his head.
Oh my God.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my God.
So incompetent like point blank range just.
Yeah, and he probably thinks we're good.
Okay.
Amazingly enough Chris still managed to chase the intruder out of his house.
I mean he had been shot in the head and Ramirez was still holding the gun and Chris just
chases him out of the house.
Imagine giving shot in the face and still being.
Wait, this isn't funny.
I'm so sorry.
This isn't funny.
But Ramirez is getting chased out and calls him a bitch.
Yeah, she does.
Why is Chris the bitch Ramirez is the bitch.
Chris is not the bitch.
This man.
I can only imagine fucking Richard Ramirez's scrawny stupid ass like running being like
bitch.
Literally.
Like fuck you.
Fuck you.
Wait.
Okay.
Wait.
Okay.
Let's rewind for a minute.
Hold on.
So I was Chris I'd be like, ah fuck you bitch.
You shoot a guy in the face.
This man still gets up and chases you while his head is more specifically right side of
his head.
The right side of his head.
He gets shot and he still chases you and you call him a bitch.
No, you will pussy bitch.
You okay.
Like what?
Oh my god.
No, I can't.
I can't.
No, Ramirez.
No.
Oh my god.
Okay.
This guy gets shot in the how.
How do you have the energy to even get up after getting shot in the face?
That adrenaline is something.
Oh, adrenaline is no joke.
Oh my god.
Wow.
Okay.
So after this incident, police get the closest accurate composite sketch that they have
gotten this far.
Good.
The Northridge police immediately released that to the public.
So his face, what the fuck just happened?
Oh, why did it just go all the way up to the top?
Anyway, police immediately released it to the public and his face is now out there.
Good.
That's a fucking shaggy.
For everybody to see.
And this is when all of the stores all over Southern California really start getting an
increase in gun sales, locks, weapons, everything.
Everyone is.
Everyone is terrified.
I would be too.
Okay.
Frame it for a minute.
Okay guys, POV.
You're in Southern California in the 80s.
You're like living your best life.
And then.
You're like drinking like Mai Tai's by the pool.
Mai Tai is by the pool.
You're like Sunday California.
You're like going up beach on the beach.
Yeah.
You're listening to the Eagles.
You're listening to Hotel California.
You're like welcome to Hotel California.
Any time.
And then.
You hear on the news that people all over California, not even the one place are just
turning up dead over California.
All ages, all ages, all genders, kids included.
And it's it's like the same person.
He's getting crafty enough to break in where people aren't hearing him and.
Leaving some alive to.
Yeah.
Leaving some alive.
Like how can you sleep?
At this point, like at the first, his first murder was like not knowingly.
Yeah.
Or one of his first.
Yeah.
Knowingly.
But now he's knowingly leaving people alive or at least allegedly what we know.
Yeah.
He's knowingly leaving people live at this point.
In the worst way.
Barely alive.
Oh my God.
And obviously he's like literally just on a rampage to harm and kill anyone.
Yeah.
Who he can break into.
Yeah.
Whoever left their door open, whoever left that window.
He is on it.
I just want to go back in time and be like everyone lock your doors like please.
Yeah.
Literally time machine back.
I just feel like please.
Everyone lock your doors.
Please.
God.
He is on that shit like butter and toast.
Like.
God.
I accidentally forgot to lock their window that night like he's on it.
Like he knows.
He's on it.
His spidey senses tingling.
Tingling.
Fucking dick.
Yeah.
No kidding.
So like at this point the media outlets in California they start to give him a name.
So now he's finally got his serial killer nickname.
First they call this killer the walk-in killer.
I hate that walk-in freezer, walk-in closet, the walk-in wet killer.
Don't like that.
Walk-in freezer.
Walk-in closet.
Then the Valley intruder.
We're getting better.
I still have a little bit of it.
The Valley intruder.
It's a lot like the Hillside Stringler.
That gives a lot.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then finally the Herald examiner deems the murderer that seems to fancy murderingly
at night the night stalker.
Okay.
I think is more fitting.
It's definitely fitting.
The walk-in killer terrible.
The Valley intruder like I can see that that makes sense.
California the Valley and he is an intruder.
He is an intruder.
I almost okay like I I'm for giving a murderer the alias because people know who he is right.
Like like they put this.
Oh yeah but I get some that fucking cop.
But I get some that cop and I was just gonna say that like I was just gonna say that you
took the words right out my mouth.
I'll say snitch.
Yeah.
Like it's just like I don't like the fact that people that choose to murder get these
aliases and then they get confident and like oh fuck like I'm like I'm some kind of like
villain.
I hate to miss that.
Yeah.
Like they think there's some kind of like Disney villain like no bitch like you're killing
actual people that are living like fuck you.
Oh fuck off and burn in hell.
All right.
So moving on to the next victim.
Oh look.
I'm 35 year old Ellis Abouoth who had been shot in the temple with a 32 caliber handgun.
If you guys notice the type of son of mess up he did change his weapon.
Yeah.
It seems like 22 to a 32.
His surviving wife who like many other innocent victims had been devastatingly sexually assaulted
to husband shot wife sexually assaulted.
Seems like an ongoing thing with him if he can find it.
But then the recent murders are pretty standard.
Yeah.
Wow.
When the wife did try escaping his grass Ramirez did show at her quote don't look at me don't
look at me and quote so exclaiming.
Yeah.
Don't look at me.
Okay.
Elias responded quote I swear to God I won't and quote and he says quote don't swear to
God swear to Satan and quote.
Oh fuck off.
I feel like swear to Satan don't kill me.
Yeah.
Okay.
Wait.
But wait.
I guess if you think about it that's not even make sense because like I guess you because
I was always told and I'm just like to coming from like my little Christian background.
I was always told don't swear to God.
So like wait.
Wouldn't you want to swear to God if you're a Satanist.
I don't know.
Period.
You kind of write.
Why are you like okay you catching on to my.
I get you.
Make it make sense Richard make it make sense like okay.
She's like I swear to God I swear to God I swear to God and he's like don't swear to
God swear to Satan.
He thought he was like he thought he was being.
He thought he was big game.
He's a.
You know what fuck this bitch up fuck this bitch up because.
No.
Okay.
So at this point Ramirez decides to move his madness to San Francisco on Eucalyptus
Avenue to yet again break into the home of Mr. and Mrs. Pan.
But Eucalyptus like that's been so peaceful.
I'm like.
I love a little Eucalyptus.
Eucalyptus.
That sounds.
I live on Eucalyptus.
That sounds like nothing bad would happen but.
Yeah.
We're in for it.
He must have fucking marked this on a pen and been like this is where I need to go fuck
shut up.
Listen to this.
He shoots Mr. Pan and then once again proceeds to sexually assault his wife and this time
shoots a bullet into her head.
Just like the unfortunate murder and attempted murder of the two sisters from July 15th or
whenever.
Yeah.
The older like the two sisters older sisters.
He had the nerve to eat the food out of their refrigerator and but this time this time he
regurgitates it back up and then masturbates onto their living room carpet.
Yeah that's that's bad.
That's.
What is the point of regurgitating it back?
Oh I'm out of lots of words.
Yeah okay moving on.
The entire time Miss Pan who had been shot in the head had been holding on to dear life.
Oh thank God.
So okay.
Luckily is transported to the hospital barely breathing and once again Ramirez leaves a
pentagram carved onto the door with words beside it saying Jack the Ripper.
Fuck off.
See that's that thing again.
The word like oh I can be like this killer.
I feel like he like almost but then again I feel like he almost forgets what his signature
is because it's like sometimes he'll do this sometimes he'll do this.
Yeah.
Sometimes he'll do this.
That's the thing he's so everywhere.
Killing the wife just sexually assaulting the wife letting her live.
Do drawing the pentagram like it just seems like.
It's a game.
It's a game for him.
Kind of like going back and forth.
Yeah.
Every other murder it's like something different but the same.
Just exactly what it sounds like.
Oh wow.
Okay.
This man.
All right.
Moving up.
That was gnarly guys.
Sorry about that.
Keep saying that.
Moving on to the next one.
It was a sunny California afternoon and the paper boy is delivering his daily newspaper
when he spots a 1976 orange Toyota station wagon slowly creeping throughout his neighbor
hood or sorry the neighborhood he was in.
At first he's thinking nothing of it.
Maybe the Toyota is looking for an address.
Maybe he's looking for a person.
Yeah.
Unascendable.
But then as the man passes by he looks directly at the paper boy with piercing eyes behind
his dark black curly hair.
Oh that's frightening.
Immediately.
All I can think of is like the picture that I can't get out of my head of Richard Ramirez
and again when you look at him you see like pure nothing.
Yeah.
Like there's nothing there.
There's nothing there.
There's no soul.
It's pure evil.
So immediately luckily this kid he's reminded of those composite sketches that he had seen
in the news and he warns police immediately.
Yeah.
Like whatever.
Let's him know.
He gives them the license plate the make and model of the car and it is given to the press
and almost instantly a man calls the police recognizing it to look a lot like the car.
His friend got stolen weeks prior in Chinatown.
I wonder if he did that after the best take point.
I was going to say yeah he seems to be going to Chinatown a lot.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
That's really interesting actually.
The car had later been found abandoned in a lot where police finally finally got a fingerprint.
Oh my God.
Well it took about a fucking year.
So at this point we have footprints at some of the scenes, a composite sketch of what
he looks like, a teeth x-ray from the dentist and now the fingerprint from the stolen car.
So we got a good amount of evidence to pack this in with a pretty bow.
Hopefully.
True.
So like Kendall just said investigators have everything they need to tie this all into
the one killer and obviously the killer is a murderer.
He's tied to all these break-ins.
It's not different people.
It's one guy.
No it's one guy.
The police need to catch this one guy.
Crazy enough, a little spoiler, the police were actually not the ones to catch him.
You know what?
I can be surprised.
Stay with us though.
Because I think we both know what happens at this end and it's fucking crazy.
I don't think you guys are going to guess.
I don't think you guys know.
Unless you know.
Don't look it up.
Fuck.
Don't look it up.
Put the phone down.
Put it down.
Put the Google down.
What happens at the end of this is fucking insane.
Literally hold onto your hats.
Hold onto your underwear.
Hold onto your butts.
Hold onto your avias.
Avias?
Ah!
Seriously though.
Oh shit.
Okay.
Grab your blankie.
Grab your cat.
I'm into it.
I'm like terrified right now.
I'm like afraid to go home.
Like damn.
Like this world is crazy but keep going.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
No apologies.
One day out of the blue random LAPD receives a call from a woman that says her father frequently
hangs out around the Grey House.
Oh that's okay.
Rich!
It's late.
One day out of the blue random LAPD receives a call from a woman that says her father frequently
hangs out around the Grey Hound station in downtown.
In LA there is a little strip of street that is called Skid Row.
I don't know if you guys remember that if you listened to our other episodes.
Hotel Cecil.
Cough cough.
At this point in LA on Skid Row officers later found out that he had been staying at
the hotel Cecil.
Ding ding ding.
Obviously if you've been listening and following to our podcast you know why we did this.
Yeah.
Ties right into that hotel.
Oh my gosh.
See how that comes full circle.
Wow.
That's crazy.
The Cecil Hotel guys.
Gotta give it to them.
Fucking hotel man.
It's because it's in fucking Skid Row.
It makes sense.
It does.
It really does.
So the woman who called LAPD she says my father has befriended a strange guy.
He goes by the name Rick and my father believes that he matches those composite sketches that
are in the news.
When they interviewed that lady's father the father casually mentions yeah I know Rick.
He's your guy.
He told me he committed a murder in Monterey Park and used a 22 semi-automatic pistol to
do it.
I wonder when.
Like why are they confessing him out.
When did he tell him this.
Like I hope it was like I hope when he learned that information and told his daughter like
I hope they called immediately.
How casual.
Like oh yeah that's a guy.
Yeah that's your guy.
Yeah that's him.
I think Casually told me one day that he just killed this couple.
Why didn't you tell me that.
Like literally.
What made you hold this for me.
Is that not illegal.
With holding information.
Yeah.
I think it might be but also at the same time like I feel like.
But I get yeah it's a super slope.
I feel like it's probably certain like elements or something.
Yeah that makes sense.
I don't know.
I feel like there's a lot of like loopholes.
Loopholes that makes sense.
Yeah I don't really know.
So I mean obviously the investigators do exactly what me and Kendall just did.
They glance at one another and then oh shit look.
Oh yeah.
Because this information was kept from the press.
Yeah they wouldn't have known that.
So exactly like you just said no one would have known that.
Unless they were the killer or had come in contact with the killer.
And it just so happens that around the same time up in San Fran a police informant recovers
a diamond bracelet that was given to his wife's mother in San Pablo that he believes was stolen
also in California.
Upon some investigation the San Francisco inspector Frank Falzone goes and interviews
the wife's mother and she says yeah my boyfriend gave them a bracelet to me.
His name is Armando Rodriguez.
She says Armando had given her the bracelet from her friend Rick and if they're looking
for him Rick wears a black ACDC hat and a black members only jacket and has bad teeth.
Who do we know that has all of those qualities?
He.
If I was that girl I'd be so freaked out.
After tracking down the Armando Rodriguez guy in El Sabrante California inspector
Falzone finds out Armando knows who this Rick guy is but will not tell him who he is.
So Falzone kind of smacks the sky a little.
Give him a little.
Good cop back cop.
A little smash around.
I'm gonna do wrap around.
He got you.
Wait tell them what do they know about that TikTok.
Yeah I don't really know like the literal preface of it but they just always take a drink
and they're like I'm gonna do a little wrap around.
Wrap around.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
That's like literally us right now with like coffee.
Like we're like we're gonna do a little wrap around.
A little wrap around so we can get this episode out to you guys.
Seriously though.
So he's doing his routine.
He's smacking them around a little figuratively not literally or maybe literally we don't really
know.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was.
Honestly if I was this close to cracking the case I'd be fucking mad.
I'd be using this man.
Oh god yeah I would too.
He also at this point is threatening his freedom too and after 20 minutes he says okay okay
Richard Ramirez.
His name is Richard Ramirez.
Fucking Armando what the hell.
Why are you even friends with him?
Like why are you.
Why would you be friends with him first of all if you're gonna wrap him around but also
like good that you got him.
No like why are you friends with him in the first place if he's literally a serial killer
and also why are you protecting him.
I wonder if Armando was like one of those.
He not.
I don't know a lot about like California personally but I know there's some sketchy areas and
I know that I mean we have listeners if you guys don't let us know but I don't know maybe
Armando was probably like some he's probably sketchy already.
He had to be.
He had to have been sketchy because you're hanging out with also the girl's father though
like if you're hanging around this guy and you're because she said that.
Like he hung out around like he hung around so scared roll a lot so her father had to
be sketchy too.
I guess I guess as a cop you can't really you know obviously do much about somebody
who's sketchy but you can't get something out of them if you try.
That's scariest a cop I could imagine being a cop.
No I couldn't either.
Oh my god.
That's crazy.
So Richard Ramirez was obviously already in the system with that criminal record he already
had of petty crimes so it did not take long for the investigators to take that fingerprint
from the stolen Toyota and find the match for it.
Obviously leading back to Richard Ramirez.
So they have a name and they have a mugshot to match.
Halla guia.
Halla fucking Lula.
Lula.
It's late y'all.
God.
118 to be specific.
They're fighting again.
The kiddies are fighting.
All right.
So we are in August.
It is the morning of August 31st 1985.
Richard Ramirez had been returning to LA from visiting his brother in Arizona and returned
via Greyhound to downtown Los Angeles.
I really wonder if he did anything in Arizona that never got found out.
You know what?
Can we ask that question?
I'm going to bring it up at the end for a brief moment but okay I'll let you finish.
Okay.
We're almost there.
Okay.
The police were finally ready this time.
Every camera around the Greyhound facility is being operated by the police.
They've placed undercover cops in the station to pose as the homeless and they wait for
him to come through that entrance of the building.
But as soon as he walks through the station he recognizes the undercover cops because
although the cops had been dressed in dingy clothing trying to play that part of the
homeless they were still too clean and shaven and manicured to pass off as actually being
homeless.
So Ramirez with that stretchy feeling he turns back around and heads out of a back exit.
Again it's weird because he's so it's like I'm not going to call him smart because he's
not fucking smart.
I'm not going to.
He has intuition though.
He has a good intuition and I mean even to like look around and like be like oh like
I have some nice cut hair he is not homeless.
That's really.
That must be a cop.
But it's also probably paranoia.
Yeah I could see that.
And he just so happened to be right.
Yeah and I guess if you're thinking about it he doesn't know that the police are on
to him they're there and he's like oh I think they're undercover maybe not for me but I know
they're here.
Yeah.
He knows what he did.
Yeah he does.
Fucking bitch.
So after he slips up.
So after he slips out that back exit he does walk down the street and he runs into a liquor
store.
As he does that he looks down and he sees his face on the front page of a newspaper.
Now keep in mind Ramirez had no idea that the police had actually figured out who he
was while he had been away.
So he begins to panic as the newspaper reads a title that states stalker suspect named.
So at this point what does he do?
What else can he do?
He quickly darts out of the store onto a public city bus and just when he thinks he is in
the clear one of the passengers on this bus looks up at the man sitting directly across
from him looks down at the newspaper and back up at Ramirez wide eyed in complete shock.
So imagine seeing the serial killer you know is loose.
Like right in front of you.
Looking up casually.
With the newspaper in your hand.
On your way to work.
You're on your way home.
You fucking see a serial killer standing right in front of you like holy shit.
I feel like I don't.
I am not okay.
Sorry I'm gonna take a Uber.
I don't even.
Like obviously like I know what to do but I feel like what do I do?
Yeah.
I don't know I'm probably being shocked.
Like I would be in shock myself.
Oh easy.
But luckily this passenger although he is in shock or although they are in shock they
pull the emergency sap cord.
They get off and they go to the nearest phone.
Obviously once again we're still in the 80s they don't have those cellular devices.
Yeah.
Those big dinosaurs.
Yeah they got big dinosaurs.
I'm gonna say that we're gonna get our millennial and gen Y.
Gen Y.
No.
Baby boomer.
No it's baby boomer.
It's gen Y.
I think it's gen Y.
Gen X.
No we're gen X.
We're gen Z.
Oh we're gen Z.
I think it's gen X.
Yeah.
Gen X.
Oh yeah we're gonna get our gen X.
We're gonna get our millennials.
Don't talk about the big cell phones.
No y'all have some dinosaurs.
So I'm gonna get our little ones.
Don't talk about the big cell phones.
So obviously they don't have their iPhones on them so they have to go outside and use
a pay phone.
Makes sense.
So this encounter really had other people that were riding the bus very weirded out
obviously.
Yeah they're like what the fuck is going on.
Yeah they're like why the fuck did this man just like freak the fuck out run off the bus
and make a phone call.
Like what the fuck's going on.
So they're all looking around at this point and they start noticing the man sitting at
the back of the bus.
They're all pointing and saying that's him.
Oh my god.
So he jumps off the bus and begins to sprint down the street into ongoing traffic which
only causes more attention.
Fuck he think he is.
Like a superhero.
I don't know why it's wrong with this man.
He's on fucking drugs obviously.
He has to be.
And the fact that you think you're bold enough and you're I don't know if you think he's
God or what but he thinks he's Satan's helper.
Satan himself.
I don't know what the fuck he thinks he is.
But dude running into ongoing traffic not not not not Spider-Man literally like this
isn't you would think this is a movie.
This actually happened you guys like what the actual shit.
Also if you can hear me I'm adjusting my legs and my feet.
Oh yeah.
That is my heart.
I swear.
I didn't even hear that.
So obviously that's drawing more attention to him and the police do eventually catch
up to him via car and helicopter as he is running through streets attempting to ditch
them.
How the fuck do you think he's gonna run a helicopter anyway?
At this point he attempts to hijack a woman's car and a man seeing this altercation wax him
in the back of the head with a metal pole.
Hell yeah.
Period.
Where the fuck are you getting a metal pole from?
He keeps that motherfucker saying I'm in.
He's like oh hell no.
I'm screaming.
Obviously many people just saw this man walk another man in the head with a pole.
So after they see this happen less than four minutes an entire mob begins to form and chase
him down the street on some vigilante shit.
That's crazy.
They eventually begin to beat the living shit out of him so badly that his scalp had been
bleeding and bruises had covered his body.
Oh my god.
Had it not been for the police interfering moments later the mob would have literally
killed him.
Yeah 100%.
Ramirez was even quoted saying quote thank god you guys showed up and quote because
you know now he wants to say god fuck you thanks Satan you guys.
Yeah fucking piece of rotten piece of garbage dumpster fire.
Practice what you preach.
Anyway I wish that they would have killed him actually no I wish that he rods in prison
and then experiences prison and then dies.
Yeah yeah yeah.
And then gets killed.
Oh yeah yeah.
I feel like that's better.
Yeah.
But anyway I'm glad that the mob beat his ass.
I'm glad they beat the shit out of him.
You know I did see I think when I was looking at.
There's a video of it.
I think there's not a video but I think I have seen the it was like aftermath of it
I think and you see the crowd like around the car.
I remember the picture I don't know if it was a video or a picture I remember seeing
but it was one of it and I think like you saw his head like bandaged up and stuff because
he was so fucking beat up.
Oh great I mean it's just like a sense of relief like finally like this guy who has
been brutally murdering and just assaulting and hurting people all over.
He deserves to hurt.
He gets his.
No kidding he gets his own medicine.
He gets his own medicine yeah.
So once brought into the station they positively identified him as Richard Ramirez aka the
Night Sucker.
He had been transported then from the Holland Beck Sheriff's station and crowds of people
filled the air.
I don't blame them.
At this point it's October 24th 1985 and the child Richard Ramirez for the 14 murders
is a mad house and is truly the definition of a media circus at this point.
Yeah oh I definitely believe it.
I always think we weren't even alive around this time and I'm like we know.
The prosecution aims for the death penalty and the defense is aiming for the insanity
plea all while Ramirez is having a fucking ball.
He is intrigued by the attention he is getting.
He laughs whenever his attorney argues with the prosecution and a couple different times
he lifts his hands up to the press revealing a pentagram that he had tattooed on his palms
and it rains out Hail Satan.
We definitely have to post that picture.
When being escorted out of the room.
What a man.
Like I mean obviously he thought of himself as some type of celebrity and to make it all
worse he ended up receiving fan mail.
Oh yeah I heard about that.
NSFW photos from groupies.
You name it he received it.
Yeah.
Whatever you romanticize and killers I will never know.
Why what is about that.
I can't I think we talked about it before.
It would be cool to do like an episode on the cycle like the psychological like why
do people do that.
Yeah.
During the preliminary hearing the detectives and prosecutors decided not to include the
child molestation charges to avoid traumatizing the kids that had been sexually assaulted
anymore than they had already experienced.
Understandable.
So they just focused on the murder charges.
Fair.
You don't want to put the kids in that again.
But I do think that he deserves the charges.
He deserves the charges unfortunately I think.
He deserves all the charges.
Yeah.
I'm not a lawyer or anything.
Yeah I was gonna say I'm not a lawyer or anything but I think you would need to have
witnesses there.
Oh yeah he would.
And you would need the kids there if you want them to.
But I think it was a good idea that they got a lot of it.
It's already so.
That makes me want to cry.
Like these children I am so sorry.
Literally babies.
So sad.
But I mean obviously there was a lot in this case so building the case took another three
years before the trial proceeded and well Ramirez was held for 43 crimes and 13 murders.
Yeah good.
That's insane.
I feel like it's still not even all of them.
Police had taken around 140 witness statements and one of which was our girl Maria Hernandez.
Hey Maria.
I love you girl.
I love you.
That's my home girl.
She is the baddest video of the world.
This girl gets literally shot at.
Her roommate dies and she comes back.
She's like.
To the trial.
You fucked up and you thought you were gonna kill me.
You know what.
Are you sure you want to do it again.
And there's a video too.
She goes to the trial.
There's a video too.
I remember seeing the video and she is walking boldly down this like she is coughing.
She got her heels on.
She got her cuteness outfit on.
And this girl comes through.
She yeah she's in let me tell you.
Maria's in her bag.
She is not letting this guy get away.
Like I mean to stand up to a serial killer and be like you thought you shot me but you
didn't.
Are you sure you want to shoot me again.
Yeah.
And then she comes to the fucking trial.
She's like hey but she's like the meme of Emma Roberts.
Oh you thought you saw the last of me.
American Horror Story where she turns around and she's like you thought you saw the last
of me.
Literally it's like that.
Maria is a fucking icon.
Stan.
Oh my gosh.
Fuck Beyonce.
Maria.
Literally Maria Hernandez.
It's people like this that need to be celebrities.
These people have been through it.
Maria needs a platform.
I want to hear her story.
So coming to a close on September 20th 1989.
So like we said this was a few years later because it took a while.
The verdict did declare Ramirez guilty on all charges.
Oh thank you fucking god.
As they should.
Oh sorry.
As they should.
I'm so glad.
Thank god.
On November 7th 1989.
That's my birthday.
Oh my god.
I didn't even hear you say that at first.
I'm sorry.
I didn't even click either.
I didn't even click with me.
Oh my god.
What a treat.
Kendall's birthday.
November 7th 1989.
I wasn't born yet but yeah.
Richard Ramirez had been sentenced to death by gas chamber when he was escorted out of
the courtroom.
He had passed by the reporters and he gave his infamous chilling quote quote.
I'll see you in Disneyland.
That is so fucking chilling.
So he's like insinuating that hell is like Disneyland.
Is that what he said?
But it's a good time for him.
That's what he's saying.
That's a good time for him.
He's like hell stay in love stay in love hell.
I was gonna be like Disneyland for me.
He's like he's like you guys want me to go to hell but I'll be happy there.
That's what he's trying to say.
Like I'll see you there.
I hate this man.
Oh fuck right off.
No really.
He's not even showing like any sign.
Like he's a little bitch for the first point for calling someone else a bitch saying to
someone else don't you know don't swear to Satan.
I mean don't swear to God.
Swear to Satan.
And then he also got frightened off.
I think in part one when I had said how he like you know like couple had you know woke
up or whatever and he got frightened off.
So he is clearly a little bitch.
Oh for sure.
Ben and he is a balls to first of all get a tattoo of a fucking pentagon on his hand
and make jokes about it and then he says shit like that where he's like you never see him
do something.
All his victims like he doesn't care.
Fuck off with the fucking narcissism.
And according to find a grave in Marin County prison after two decades on death row on June
7th 2013.
So ironic.
Okay.
Obviously like.
Oh that was really like recent.
It's not really recent.
We're in like 2023.
Yeah.
It's like 10 years ago.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
He was aged 53.
Richard Ramirez was in fact pronounced dead from B cell lymphoma which is a cancer of
the lymphatic system.
Lymphatic.
Lymphatic system.
Good riddance.
So obviously he never made it to the gas chamber which I think he deserved.
He should have lived longer and I feel like he still got the easy way out by getting cancer
because he got cancer.
His victims were killed by him.
Like.
Yeah.
Like I feel like you should have brought it in jail.
Yeah.
Cancer was like the easy way out.
I guess some people.
Yeah.
I guess if I'm thinking about it I feel like some people would think maybe like oh he should
have just died right then and there like when he first got sentenced but no like right
now.
He was not there before the death penalty but let him rot in prison.
For a number of.
That had experienced.
Let him.
Yeah.
Prison for a few years and then kill him.
I agree.
Like you are a shit ass person.
You deserve to do some time for your shit ass crimes.
See that's always the conflict.
Yeah.
I was gonna say that's always the conflict and running thing that everyone has different
takes on like the death penalty because we've talked about it so many times.
And I always say like I'm okay.
So I'm in this case totally for the death penalty.
This man had they not caught him.
He would have never stopped.
Like he would have never stopped.
Especially because he was so random with it.
And it's so random and I'm so thankful it's crazy what they can do with like like with
evidence.
Like it's just crazy how investigators can connect so many things together and then
narrow it down to this one person.
So like when you're talking about how like the necklace like the informant like got that
necklace that's crazy that like someone in like the investigators in San Francisco was
like oh shit.
I think I know what this is going like I think this could be something.
So he he goes forward with it and like looks into it and everything and a little bit low
and behold this man was right.
Like it was it belonged to this to Richard Ramirez after he now was acting like this
fucking alias or whatever.
Whatever happens.
But wow.
That's just wow.
And all of that being said that is the case of the night stalker.
Wow.
Let's give I mean you guys can't give her a round of applause.
I'm going to give her a round of applause.
You did amazing guys oh my god.
She's going to be back for more.
Don't worry.
Oh my god you did so good.
I'm so proud of you.
That was good.
Wow.
That was her first one.
That was her first full episode.
We were at well over an hour.
So we know it's okay.
You did amazing.
You really took my pants off on that.
That's not a weird you really.
You blew my mind.
He blew my mind.
That's way better.
Sorry.
Yeah.
It's late.
I can't even think but a more serious note.
Our hearts go out to these victims.
Yes.
Families.
Of course.
This is of course we were able to you know make late hearted jokes about some of this
but well obviously not about the murders or anything.
No.
Yeah.
Definitely about but our hearts go out to their families.
I cannot imagine and I cannot imagine the people who survived.
I cannot imagine you guys are survivors.
You guys have a story to tell even though it's terrible.
Yeah.
That's what we're here for.
We're fucking survivors.
Put your name out there.
Let everybody know that you're a badass because what the fuck especially Mr. Man who especially
Maria and especially Mr. Man that got called a bitch.
Yeah.
You went on a bitch.
You are not.
First of all I can't see a bitch getting shot in the face and then having to chase her
and chase and chew her out.
I'm still stuck on that.
That's crazy.
But like Chris Chris for Chris yeah but for Maria too like she is so so strong.
She's a final girl.
She is a final girl and Chris and the kids there because they're the final girls and
wow.
Again I'm so happy that we were able to cover this case because it's an early one.
Again our laughing our commentary our comedy on maybe specifically the killer and making
fun of the killer is just always a nice it's a nice relief but at the end of the day it's
all for the victims.
We're here for the victims and maybe one day if the victim someone that is connected to
this case might listen to this episode.
I hope they know that we covered this in the best way in the best careful and caring way
possible and I hope that they can still get closer because wow it's crazy what one person
can do.
It's crazy that one person can ruin so many lives.
Oh my god so many families so many lives.
It's eye-opening and like and just like and like when I researched like going through
like part one just like having part two like you really start to and we don't want to scare
anybody purposely.
I mean yeah we have a true crime podcast yes we do paranormal episodes here and there but
when it comes to the true crime episodes we are here to tell someone's story.
We are here to warn everyone else that people like this exist.
I don't want to say that there's going to be another ritual mirrors.
I don't want to assume anything like that I don't want to put that out there but I do
want to say that there are crazy people out there and stay alert stay aware stay aware
watch over your back lock your fucking doors lock your windows because you're in your own
backyard doesn't mean that you're inherently safe.
Yeah I still get chills from like the quote that the one friend of the police officer
had said where she had felt being watched in the hot tub like that gave me chills.
Yeah that definitely was cool.
And I started to drive home like I am freaked out.
Lock your car doors as soon as you get in.
Lock your doors.
I cannot imagine.
Well just story be safe be vigilant be pay attention.
Pay attention yeah and we thank you guys for sticking with us through the last two episodes
of the Night Stalker aka ritual mirrors.
This was a big case we worked on it for a while now so I hope you guys liked it.
I hope you guys appreciate it and again I'm sure you guys understand it took us a minute
to get through you know the last couple weeks it's been a lot for I think both of us but
we're back we're sticking strong we hope you guys stick strong stick through with us.
We're working on the New Year right and the next episode we will not give it away yet
but we can tell you it's gonna be a spooky episode.
It's about time we go back to that because we have not covered a spooky episode since
I couldn't tell you when.
Couldn't tell you the last episode.
Black Eyed Children or The Black Eyed Children?
The Black Eyed Children was one.
We did the first movies.
That was maybe the first movies I think was the last one.
Yeah that was back in October.
It's January.
I think it was I don't know we'd have to go back.
We'd have to go back.
We'd have on the fuck episode 19.
Kendall's been grinding people.
No seriously.
Full credit Kendall's been grinding.
Thank you I appreciate it yeah I've had some restless nights of like doing the research.
I've been bugging like Bre texting her like hey this is sound good does that sound good
and Bre's like.
Literally whatever you write is amazing.
Yeah thank you I appreciate it.
Do you want to try this new concept?
I'm like of fucking course.
Cool because yeah we have some cool things coming up this year and I'm proud.
Like I said we're gonna work a lot harder on getting a TikTok ready.
We want to do a lot more for the show.
We really think that the shows getting traction and we're happy about it.
We just want to make sure that we're getting as much as we can to it and making sure that
you guys appreciate us and what we do.
We love doing it and we're happy to be here.
With that said please make sure to like follow we never say that make sure we do at the end
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Make sure to like us or follow us wherever you're listening to us.
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We really want to get to doing some listener stories.
So if you guys have any stories if you guys don't feel like typing it but you've heard
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We will link our of course again Instagram's emails and all that in the show notes so you
can find those in the show notes.
Until then and until the next episode we will see you next when the light goes out.
Good night or sorry not good night.
You might not have listened to this.
Yeah whenever you're listening to this.
Good morning or good night or good afternoon.
We'll see you soon.
Bye.