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Before you start this episode, a quick warning, today's episode does cover sexual assault

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that some may find offensive.

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We do understand if this may be a lot and we will see you on the next episode.

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Listener discretion is advised.

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Happy Holidays!

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I'm Ken Kringle.

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And I'm Brianna Bells.

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And this is When the Lights Goes Out.

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No we need like Christmas music.

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No I hate Christmas music.

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Fuck that damn right.

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Oh yeah I'm put Christmas music.

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I hate Christmas music.

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I can't stand the Christmas.

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The only Christmas song I can actually somewhat stand is...

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Actually is there a Christmas song I can stand?

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I don't think there is.

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Literally no.

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I really really really want to say that I can stand the All I Want For Christmas is

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You but it's been played so many fucking times.

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I can't stand it.

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It's been played so many times.

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I used to love it as a kid and then yeah it became a trend and sorry Mariah.

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I'm just a Grinch.

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I don't like Christmas for any reasons.

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I don't blame you on some aspects.

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It's not what it used to be to me.

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Well I like like giving gifts and like obviously like getting gifts but I like giving them

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more but I just don't like Christmas in general.

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Like I don't like the holidays.

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I don't like how people are during the holidays.

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I feel like.

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I don't like holidays.

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I get that.

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No I'm very kind of ick these days.

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I think again when I get older and I start to look around I'm like this isn't what it

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used to be.

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I don't really like the holidays in general.

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Like any holiday.

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Any holiday.

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Like I like Halloween but I don't even think I like Halloween day.

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Like it's just like another day.

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I get that.

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It's all like.

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But that's like me and Simon's anniversary obviously.

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Well yeah.

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But like Halloween day.

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Facts.

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I don't really ever pass out candy or anything.

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But I don't really live in a place.

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It's very underwhelming.

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I feel like holidays are underwhelming and to me personally I feel like when I was little

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it was a thing because I feel like most holidays for kids are like a big over dramatic kind

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of like thing for kids and then you become an adult and then you're like well no it's

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not it's not fun.

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No it's not the same.

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I get that.

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I like the I like the Halloween vibes.

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I don't like the Christmas vibes.

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Yeah I feel that.

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I'm with you there.

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And then I just don't like the holidays in general.

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I feel that there.

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Notice that we haven't covered a holiday case.

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I know literally I was kind of like well I feel like that's so cliche so that's why

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I kind of was like let's just do the Cecil hotel series and here we are so.

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Also here in Michigan the weather is taking us from back a little.

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Just being a bitch to I want to say this whole entire weekend from what we know.

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Apparently we're supposed to have like some crazy amount of snow or like snowstorm but

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I honestly don't believe it.

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Like I'm not going to believe it until I see it.

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I don't know if that's just the type of person I am but for some reason like I feel like

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people are overacting like they normally do.

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They might be.

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I think we'll still get a white Christmas but I think that.

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But like this is Michigan like we're used to snow.

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Yeah we so are.

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I think this is every year soon as we get like a bunch of snow everyone goes crazy.

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I just think it's hopefully not going to be as bad as people say it is because currently

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it is raining which not to rush this episode but I do want to get home at a reasonable

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time so we don't have to put me through that and Bree also has to be up super super super

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early so yeah there's that so not yeah not too much banter today or anything but.

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Ever til last we digress.

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I love saying that it rolls off the tongue pretty well.

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It kind of does.

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I love it though.

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It's my new term.

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I love it.

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Well while I'm looking up our notes for today's episode if you guys have already listened

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to it which I hopefully I'm sure you have last week's episode was.

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Honestly they probably haven't you know how many views when we do two parts where people

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watch like the second video.

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Yeah what is with you guys in that.

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I noticed that when we were looking at our analytics you notice that everyone listens

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to the second part versus the first part and I'm like you know what I'm not going to go

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back and explain everything that happens the first time I'll just let you guys go and

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listen to it and then you can just let it continue here so let's just do that instead

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of giving you a brief overview about what happened because I think that's how that's

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how things are getting cheated here.

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Now we love you guys know the last though.

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We thank you guys for listening but definitely listen to the last episode.

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It's pretty good.

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And obviously if you haven't known already today's episode is an extension of last episode

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about Jack Unterweger who is the Vienna Schrangler and where he goes by many other names that

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they've given him or I should say the press has given him and he has done some terrible

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shit as we've already known.

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So let's continue part two.

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It's story time.

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Gather around children.

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Woohoo.

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So not long after Jack Unterweger had been admitted to the Stein prison he began taking

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and began having these literary courses that were held at the prison.

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He would take these literary courses along with writing courses and other literary just

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other literary specific classes.

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It's definitely the niche that he found for himself.

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He wasn't uneducated by all means but he had little to no education and life skills

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in general.

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So eventually while there he became an editor for the Stein prison magazine and the literary

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review that was also part of the prison.

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Now going back to part one just briefly if we think back to the last episode Jack had

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really been good at getting what he wanted and he started doing it at a very young age.

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He basically kind of manipulated his own grandmother and scared off his grandmother and he already

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had talked his way out of jail multiple times.

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So Jack got really creative this time.

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Now that he was learning to have better reading and writing skills he felt that he had gained

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a new talent.

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He used these skills to his own advantage.

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He could combine his manipulation techniques and writing techniques together to use it

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on the outside world.

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So in 1979 about three years into his sentence Jack began to write short stories, plays,

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poems, and even children's books.

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Yeah you did hear me right children's books.

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This man.

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Crazy right?

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He has no place writing children's books.

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I'll tell you that.

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Not at all.

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Not at all.

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And according to parkast's serocolor series Jack had been able to send his children's

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books to ORF and I didn't even tip to type out what the acronym means in my notes because

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it's all in German but it basically means Austria's national public broadcasting company.

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The parents ate these books up actually if you're surprised.

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Yeah I know.

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And it kind of just became big over Austria assuming that they had little idea about the

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infamous serocolor background that he had.

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I'm just assuming.

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But as time went on and his writing develops and increasingly got better and better, people

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began to learn who this man was but it just seemed that they have to they just seem to

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have forgotten about the murderer that he had committed against the woman or they did

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like maybe just didn't mind it.

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And a lot of these people reading his work were generally Austrians, well people of Austria

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reading that his work was pretty much just written in German so it makes sense.

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Though people did not need to do extensive research to understand what he did because

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his writing did that for him.

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And whatever he was writing convinced and started really having these citizens believing

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he was a product of prison reform.

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Now do I believe in prison reform?

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It's a slippery slope.

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I feel like, I don't know.

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I feel like it's a, it really depends first of all for me what someone has done and how

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often they have done it because I think that there is the availability for people to really,

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I don't know, open up and be able to say, hey I did something really wrong, I want to

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change, this is me and I'm being vulnerable to that.

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Other cases I feel like sometimes people think they can but when you have a bad habit especially

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when it's a habit like murder, I feel like that's hard.

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I don't know, what do you think?

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What exactly are we like talking about in prison?

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Prison reform in general.

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But like what does that entail?

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Prison reform, more being so, being forgiven for what you've done, being you know, from

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the outside world maybe even seeing it because you know how like some like serial killers

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maybe even if we're talking specifically about serial killers have tried to tell like the

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outside world that you know, please forgive me, what I did was terrible.

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Okay, so this is kind of like when like a prison lets someone off.

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Yes, yeah.

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Let's them out early because good behavior.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I feel like with lighter sentences, yeah but if someone murdered somebody like in cold

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blood, like not self defense, not like oh maybe like whatever, like if it was like cold

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blood murder, like no.

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No, okay.

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No, like him?

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Then we're on the same page.

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Him?

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Hell no.

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No, yeah, exactly my point.

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Like no.

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Like he should rot essentially?

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That's exactly my point.

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It's just that especially when you've been giving a life sentence, why should you be forgiven

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for what you have done?

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You have taken someone else's life and you're asking to be forgiven for taking that life

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and that you've changed.

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Whether or not you've changed in my eyes again, this is just me, you should be able to suffer

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with those consequences and if you are really sorry for it, you should be okay with having

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to suffer with those consequences.

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There's also many cases of like these literal murders like getting out early or getting

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out on probation or getting what is that called like where they like get out for like a week

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and then they go back.

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Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.

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There's a word for it.

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Yes, whatever.

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They might be yelling it right now, but it's okay.

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Yeah, you guys are probably yelling it.

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I can't think of the word right now, but like it's a thing.

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You're talking about a little peanut brain.

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No, it's okay.

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Like there have been many cases where like these people, murderers get out on whatever

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reason why.

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And they go and murder more like perfect example is him.

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Yes, thank you.

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There's like so many other cases too.

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I can't really think of any right now because I'm on the spot, but I definitely know about

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least probably two, three more of like people who got out early, got out for that week,

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got out for whatever reason, probation, and then they just go and commit more crimes.

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And they're given these freedoms.

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Like why do they deserve any freedoms?

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They don't.

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Like whatever.

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Like jail is full like and that you're used to let a murderer back into the general public.

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Like what do you mean?

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Yeah, no, you're definitely right about that.

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And I definitely agree with you.

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I don't think that someone should have that privilege, which is so irritating to me to

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think about.

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But for six years now into a sentence, Jack finished a memoir called Vega Foya.

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If I think I'm saying that right.

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It's actually in English translating to purgatory.

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So it was fully published in 1982 by Moni Scripta, which is currently actually a literary

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magazine company.

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And it wasn't until a year later in 1883 when it had been published as a physical book.

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Now this memoir had become an Austrian bestseller.

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This serial killer created a book about his life, which it's a little problematic and

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we'll talk about soon, but he created a book about his life.

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And he, wait, and at this time it was known that he was like a serial killer, but a murderer.

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Yeah, people know he murdered.

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Yeah, the one person.

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The one person.

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Yes, exactly.

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The general public scares me sometimes.

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Who are you telling?

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And like I thought about it too, because I was like, Oh, is this just like in Vienna?

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Is this just in Germany?

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Things like that.

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I'm not putting any nation against one another, but it's honestly the whole world.

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This whole entire world, we are all people.

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We all need to really...

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Do better.

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Do better.

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Do better.

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Yes, exactly.

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And so like I said, the memoir became an Austrian bestseller.

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This monster of a man had brutally assaulted, strangled, and killed women, and later became

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a fucking bestselling author from this.

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He natives really stopped viewing him as a serial killer.

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And after reading his book, they saw him as a man that had been neglected at a very early

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age, which led him to murder.

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And they just started seeing him as a victim.

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Are they the novicious criminal?

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It's the sympathizing.

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It's the sympathizing.

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You can sympathize for like...

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I know we kind of talked about this in Eileen Warner was this case.

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Yes, yeah, yeah.

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You can sympathize for what they went through, but you cannot sympathize for their actions.

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Thank you.

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Just because you had a terrible childhood does not mean that you need to go and murder

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now.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah, you did have a terrible childhood and that does incredibly suck.

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And yes, I do feel very bad that you had to go through that, but that does not mean

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that you have any right to take away or torture anybody else.

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And Eileen, yeah, beautifully put, because...

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Is that not an alternative opinion?

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No.

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It's like no.

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No, it's so true.

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Is this controversial?

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No, I hope not.

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Like guys, I get it.

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And honestly, I have people in my life who have been through a lot of trauma.

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I do too.

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So much trauma.

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And they turned out to be decent humans.

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They turned out to be decent humans.

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So what does that give you any right to take someone else's life because you're quote,

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unquote, trauma or him and his sake is quote, unquote, trauma and decide to just do this

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and then say, oh, let me write a book and just grains everyone's attention so they can

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sympathize.

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And the victim card when the victim that he victimized is now dead.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So from a podcast series I referenced before, they had actually included a opening excerpt

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from his memoir.

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I found that from that podcast series I had talked about Sarah Killers.

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I actually was going to buy their book or buy Jack Entori's book just to read through

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or rent it at least, but that book is $80.

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I am not doing that.

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So $80.

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To rent or to buy?

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To buy.

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You can only buy it and it's $80, at least from what I found on Amazon.

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So Jeff Bezos, I'm sorry, but that's not happening.

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Why is it $80?

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I was already in the same thing.

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Where's the PDF?

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Who has the PDF?

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Yeah.

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If you want to have the PDF, I would really like to look through it.

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The only problem about that is it's also in German.

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So I don't think I gained anything from that and I don't think it would be worth it either

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way.

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Who is the money going to at this point?

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I want to say in terms of like, I was going to say, he doesn't really even have a family.

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I want to say when things like that happen and necessarily maybe write something and

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it's worth something, I think it just goes to like an organization or something, quite

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honestly.

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I hope it goes somewhere good.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say for maybe like victims of something or something like that.

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I've heard that before, but I'm not actually sure about who the money goes to, but hopefully

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it's no one that has done shitty shit like him.

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And Bree's going to just quote this excerpt for us real quick.

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It reads, quote, My hands sweaty with fear were twisted behind my back and the steel

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chains tightened around my wrists.

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The hard pressure on my legs and back makes me realize my only escape is to end it.

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A new package of razor blades lies ready.

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Also a long leather strap.

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I have prepared for the minute of the last decision.

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I can see my body go to sleep with a final convulsion fleeing from this vegetative life.

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Is that the answer?

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End quote.

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So basically I think in a nutshell, Chuck just really starts his mind.

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My or right off just letting readers know I have committed a terrible act.

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I've learned my lesson and I hate myself for it.

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I am contemplating suicide.

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That's at least what I took from it.

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Yeah.

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All I kind of took from it was like I'm a shitty person and I want to kill myself.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'm a shitty person.

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I want to kill myself.

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Everyone give me attention.

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Yeah.

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Pretty much.

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Like I want everybody to know about it.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, sorry.

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Someone's turning on the car outside.

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It's very loud.

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My heat kicked on.

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Like he kicked on, someone's turning on their car.

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Sorry about that.

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The person who lives below me is turning on their loud ass car.

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Is that what that is?

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Do you think it's their car?

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I think it's their car.

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Oh shit.

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Okay.

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I don't know though.

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But it does not look like it should be the loudest.

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Their muffler is loud as fuck.

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But I think it quiet down now so we're good.

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But yeah, no, I definitely think that it's definitely some bullshit and as we'll see

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later someone comes back to certify that this bullshit is bullshit.

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So we'll kind of wrap it around to that.

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But obviously he hasn't really, I feel like maybe contemplated this, maybe he has, maybe

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he hasn't.

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But the whole reason, you know, the whole reason to even call this name purgatory is

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if some of you are not aware purgatory according to Roman Catholic doctrine is the temporary

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punishment between heaven and hell and what souls are sent to this purgatory for their

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sins, having the ability to be cleansed of like their sins before having to be sent to

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heaven.

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So that's pretty much like what purgatory is.

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If you guys are still confused about it, just watch American Horror Story.

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I'm sure it was at season three or something.

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What was it?

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The American Horror Story Coven?

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They talk about purgatory.

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Do they?

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Yeah.

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If I'm not mistaken, I think in that season one of the witches after dying spoiler goes

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to like purgatory and she's stuck there or whatever.

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So there's that.

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You have to watch it.

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I have to watch it again.

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I actually rewatch it now too long.

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Really?

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I have to rewatch it again.

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But I do definitely remember that season.

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I think they talk about a couple other seasons.

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It's really good.

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But anyways, I'm getting off topic.

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Sorry.

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I definitely watched that and that's kind of like just a little overview about what purgatory

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is and that's just based off what I found and what I know about.

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In between.

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Yeah.

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In between.

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And so this is what Jack wants.

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He wants people to believe that he could be sent to this purgatory quote unquote being

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prison, reformed and sent back into society as a new man being heaven.

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So this isn't really what he believed and his intentions were the same as they always

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were though to deceive and continue taking what he wanted to take.

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Also I did kind of imply that all of Austria really began buying up his memoir and believing

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that he could be reformed.

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And a lot of people did by the book, but most people really were being.

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I can't speak today.

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Geez.

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I'm sorry.

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Most people that were being convinced and persuaded were Austria's elite.

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So when I say elite, I kind of mean government officials, musicians, socialites, actors,

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etc, etc.

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So this was the group that really believed that Jack Unterweger was a changed man.

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They'd read his story and see, wow, this guy has really been through so much.

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He was neglected by his father and mother.

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They made the mother mate her means through sex work.

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He was abused by his grandfather and it still went to find his neglectful mother later on.

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He didn't find her as he's telling, but he found his sex working on it, who then got close

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to but lost her because she had been murdered by a client.

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And if you don't remember that, it was in the last episode, so you can just go back

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and listen.

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But again, I mean, don't forget y'all, we don't know if his mother really was a prostitute.

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We don't know if his grandfather really abused him and his mother later recounted never even

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having a sister.

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So this book could honestly entirely be a fantasized piece of bullshit for all we know.

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But I mean, I'm just like facts.

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I'm just saying, I think it could be, but whatever.

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Um, but not only did Jack have this best selling memoir out and selling to the public, but

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he gave this hell of a nice readings to his office book from the shine prison.

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They literally let him do this.

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And again, many of these viewers were wealthy Austrian.

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I keep saying Australian, Austrian people that were captivated by the story.

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What they really loved about him was that to them, he didn't come off as a man looking

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for money or attention.

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He to them was a man that once murdered, but sought forgiveness.

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That's just what they believed.

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On top of this, they hadn't seen what Jack looked like prior to his televised reading.

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It's the 80s guys.

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So they couldn't just Google him and just see what he looked like like we can today.

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So they thought, you know, this is a big tall guy who's intimidating, scary looking, but

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in reality, if you've seen pictures of him at least, he was just a opposite actually.

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He was about five, five with a very small, slim, kind of boyish looking stature.

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And luckily for Jack around the same time, the Austrian government had just been taken

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over by an innovative group of people that also wanted to push for the, uh, sorry, ideology

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of prison reform.

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So he also had government officials leading towards this shit that he was selling, which

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is just so aggravating to me that a government officials would buy into this too.

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Not girl, not on my watch.

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So in 1985, these people began to petition for Jack Unterweger to be released from his

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sentence.

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He was the new face of prison reform in Austria, pretty much, I could say.

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Now to also mention and remind, he was also to serve a life sentence for the brutal murder

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of Margaret Schaefer.

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And as far as everyone knows, he has only murdered Margaret.

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No one, but the inspector, if you remember in Salzburg, inspector Angus Schreiner has

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connected him to the murder of Marista Horvath.

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According to Austria Germany laws at the time, if convicted for a life sentence, but then

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pardoned, the convicted felon must serve at least 15, 15 years sentence and at this

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point Jack had only served 10 years.

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So in the meantime, an Austrian film agency produces his memoir into a fucking movie.

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Dad.

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Deceased?

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Yeah, like a movie.

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Why?

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And you know what's worse?

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This, hold on.

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This, okay, the fact that I hate that they do this, did you see I'm getting off topic?

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No, go ahead.

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But what is that bitch's name?

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Casey Anthony?

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Yeah.

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Hulu made a movie about her and she's getting money from it.

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What is she really?

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Yeah, she is getting money from this movie that Hulu made.

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So every time someone watches, she is making money, even though she highly likely killed

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her daughter.

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That's just crazy to me.

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Oh, I want to know what you guys all believe about that case.

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I don't know if everyone's heard about it.

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It's a very, very big case in America.

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But um, yeah, Casey Anthony had allegedly allegedly allegedly don't come for us.

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Casey killed her daughter and she had been served a sentence.

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I don't know a lot about that case.

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We can cover it one day, but that is a pretty crazy case.

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Yeah, long story short, before we get to off topic, who made a movie about it, which is

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eerily similar to this and it's people who don't deserve fame getting fame.

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Yeah.

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And to make it all the worse on top of that, Jack had been actually invited formally to

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the premiere in 18, sorry, 1988 to the Fells Film Festival.

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And I'll post pictures of this because you can actually see him in the picture standing

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on the red carpet in this decked out outfit.

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It fucking annoys me.

499
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:46,200
We're giving this man who has been sent to jail for murder, the opportunity to make a

500
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,400
film out of his memoir and then you invite him to a fucking film festival.

501
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,000
What the fuck?

502
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,000
You can't make this shit up.

503
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,000
I have a lot to say, but I'm not gonna say anything.

504
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,040
And then on top of that, I'm also pretty sure when I was researching, I had Kim across his

505
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,400
IMBD page.

506
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,320
So that's just another thing in itself.

507
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,320
I hate that.

508
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,320
I hate it.

509
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,720
Oh my God.

510
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:17,360
So he has served that 15 years and he was served afterwards a psychiatric evaluation.

511
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:23,680
The psychiatrist was Garhardt Kaiser and he felt that he was perfectly reformed and he

512
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,960
was restored to normal, quote unquote.

513
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,320
And the court then agreed.

514
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:36,640
So on May 23, 1990, Jack was released on parole not long after or sorry before his

515
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,920
40th birthday and was a free man.

516
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Now, well into his 40s as a successful author, Jack was also very wealthy as a man at this

517
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,720
point at least and was loved by so many people.

518
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,640
Literally why?

519
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:03,680
Again, not to be redundant and be like a broken record, but he killed somebody.

520
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,480
So just know that.

521
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:11,080
He started getting these big ass gigs to to speak on talk shows and interviews for magazine

522
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,560
articles.

523
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,800
This man was basically a celebrity and he was really feeling himself at this point.

524
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,520
I'll post pictures more about, you know, all the professional photos that he had taken

525
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,120
because it's truly just astonishing to me that he was even able to do this.

526
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:29,360
If I remember correctly, I think one is like him.

527
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:30,720
He's at a coffee shop.

528
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,440
You can't tell because he's just sitting on a black chair, but he's at a coffee shop

529
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,040
and he just looks so happy.

530
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,560
He's like pointing at the camera.

531
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,560
He got a dog.

532
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:45,040
I think it was like some kind of like, what's the, what's that dog from?

533
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,640
Oh, it's a German shepherd.

534
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,640
That's what I'm thinking of.

535
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,640
It makes sense.

536
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,640
German.

537
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,640
He had a German shepherd.

538
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,560
He had a German shepherd and picture and he's like pointing at the camera and it was by

539
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,880
this like really like famous photographer.

540
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:05,400
And then there's another picture of him that I'll post that is of him like shirtless and

541
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,640
it makes me like gag.

542
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:08,640
It's a gross.

543
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:16,440
Instead of his nickname being the Vienna Strangler, I feel like it should be like the most like

544
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,440
serial killer.

545
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,600
The most like serial killer.

546
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,800
That's a really good way to put it.

547
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,240
Because what the fuck?

548
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Yeah, literally, literally.

549
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,920
Why is everybody just like literally dropping their pants for this man right now?

550
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Like taking the pictures, letting him out of jail early.

551
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,640
You know what it fucks me up to?

552
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Is that?

553
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Yeah.

554
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,240
And that even that picture like of him shirtless, he has a big ass like chest that too that

555
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,360
he got, I guess, when he was in jail.

556
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,280
And it literally says in little words, make love not war.

557
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Like what the fuck dude?

558
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,480
Like you.

559
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Boy.

560
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,480
Make love not war my fucking ass.

561
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,040
Make it make sense.

562
00:29:54,040 --> 00:30:00,240
Again, you can go, you guys can go find that on our Instagram at WLGTO podcast.

563
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,240
Look, go look it up.

564
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,760
But it's definitely very aggravating to even look at.

565
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,680
So just know that.

566
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:14,200
So not long after his unfortunate claim to fame for lack of a better term, he's thinking,

567
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,080
okay, I need to go and find an actual job because I am a conniving piece of shit that

568
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,720
is only making an income from this book.

569
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,840
Okay, he didn't actually say I'm a conniving piece of shit.

570
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,840
I said that, but.

571
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,840
But he should have.

572
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,320
I had to shoehorn that in there.

573
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,240
Yeah, you're right.

574
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,440
So he ends up getting offered a job at the Austrian public broadcasting company as a

575
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,800
reporter.

576
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,440
The same people who publish his children's book, by the way.

577
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,960
Girl.

578
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,240
And let me just say, if this criminal can get this kind of work offered to him, I guess

579
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,960
we can do anything because what the fuck.

580
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,000
And nobody should be homeless because.

581
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000
You literally.

582
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
What?

583
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Okay, that's like a joke.

584
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:57,920
No, no.

585
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,320
Yeah, but they know what we mean, right?

586
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,320
I mean, come on.

587
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Like if a literal serial killer can get a job that easily, like we can be the president

588
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,520
of the United States and all the homeless people should be working somewhere because

589
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,720
what the hell.

590
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,600
I went to school and got my degree in multimedia journalism.

591
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160
And he's having a rough time finding things.

592
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,200
I'm having a time, bitches.

593
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,520
I'm having a good time trying to find.

594
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,080
And Mr. Man just goes and kills a woman.

595
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,080
And just because he's a reporter.

596
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,040
And finds a job, writes a children's book and gets famous.

597
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Like what the fuck?

598
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,040
What the fuck?

599
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,480
Yeah, thank you.

600
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,480
Thank you.

601
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,480
Like literally.

602
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,720
So when I had also been researching about what topics he was specifically enjoying

603
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,080
reporting about, you can only guess what he was invested in reporting into.

604
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Sex workers in the red light districts of various territories and countries.

605
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,720
LOL.

606
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,720
LOL.

607
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,720
So yeah, Friday, September 1990.

608
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,720
I didn't even put the date.

609
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,720
I'm sorry guys.

610
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:16,800
I don't even know where it went, but he flies home from his, he flies from his home in Vienna

611
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,040
to Prague to find a solid story to report on.

612
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:26,080
And oh boy, does he find a real one to create his own with.

613
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:34,040
Ironically, the same day he had flown in, 30 year old Bianca Bokova.

614
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,040
Let me guess.

615
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Goes missing?

616
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Yeah.

617
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Oh my gosh.

618
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,560
Who would have thought?

619
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Yeah.

620
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120
So she had gone missing.

621
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,840
She lived in Prague.

622
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,280
That night she had gone out with some girlfriends for drinks.

623
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Now it's unknown from my research if she was a sex worker.

624
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:59,040
She had been in a poly, oh, some say, according to different sources and I don't want to say

625
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,560
whether or not she was or wasn't.

626
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:07,400
Some say she was maybe in a polyamid relationship because she did have a husband or she was

627
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,200
having an affair.

628
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,440
I don't know.

629
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,520
It's not our business to really wonder, but her friends had known her to do this here

630
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,520
and there.

631
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,680
But allegedly.

632
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,480
But allegedly.

633
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,680
She wanted to hang out at the bar after her friends had left and her friends were not stoked

634
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,840
about it, but they offered her, I mean, they offered her rights back.

635
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,120
She didn't want to.

636
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,320
So they respected her wishes, assuming she didn't want to go and they just assumed she

637
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480
could home safe.

638
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,320
Days age, don't do that, but definitely understand where they're coming from.

639
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280
When you have a friend, the most you can do.

640
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,560
You can ask them.

641
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,560
Strongly suggest.

642
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
You can't force someone to do something they don't want to do.

643
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:58,720
So she wanted to hang out back at the bar and they had respect to her wishes.

644
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,320
But unfortunately, that was the last time she'd be seen alive.

645
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Saturday, September 15th, 1990, one day later, as hikers were hiking through the woods along

646
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:16,640
the Voltava River in Prague, they spotted the body of a nearly nude woman found only

647
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,920
wearing knee-high stockings in a wedding ring.

648
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,440
Her legs were spread apart and she had been noticeably strangled.

649
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,040
The investigators did find that she had been assaulted with an instrument of some sort

650
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,720
based on the vassional terror, but that instrument had not been found and the item she was strangled

651
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:39,080
with had been found either at the crime scene.

652
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:45,520
This victim was obviously in fact Blanca Volkava and she had left behind two children in her

653
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,520
wake.

654
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:52,600
It's really sad to me because she had a whole family and this asshole just took that from

655
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,240
her.

656
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:58,720
The next day of scouting the area, investigators did find her clothes and ID, but no evidence

657
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,600
indicating who had done this awful thing to her.

658
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:07,560
Oh, and if you were mildly wondering because I didn't technically say who it was, it was

659
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,360
yours truly, Jack Unterweger.

660
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Had to also mention that just because if anyone was thinking he has everything he needs, why

661
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,480
kill?

662
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,480
This is what he really wanted from the beginning.

663
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,400
This life the mayor brought him did not stop his ability to take these women's lives.

664
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:31,400
They only subdued it and then just continued the criminal tendencies.

665
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,880
And the book only really drew in sympathy from others to help him, I guess, flee prison

666
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,800
with no repercussions.

667
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,880
Now do I think he knew he would become famous from this?

668
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,280
No, I don't think he did.

669
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,080
I think he knew it would help him in his favor to get out of prison and have prison reform

670
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,240
because he knew of the timing of it and he knew that the government had been open to

671
00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:00,200
the prison reform kind of thing, but I don't think that he knew that he was going to become

672
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,200
famous from it.

673
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,520
So I think that's just him getting lucky, unfortunately.

674
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,640
But like I said, the police did end up finding Blanca's clothes and ID that she had on the

675
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:15,280
night that she was murdered, but no actual leads as to who had done this were found.

676
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,560
A couple of witnesses did tell investigators that they had seen her the previous night

677
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:27,080
conversing with a man in his early 40s and Winslaw Square, which wasn't very far from

678
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,040
Voltava River where she was found, but the description of the mysterious man cannot really

679
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,040
be defined enough to have details.

680
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:41,920
So far the proc police department as they knew they just had nothing to go off of.

681
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,920
The case really just ended up going cold all the while.

682
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,160
Unterweger just went back to Vienna undetected with no suspicions.

683
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:57,940
So on October 26, 1990, in Graz, Austria, 39 year old sex worker Bruhilda Maza was

684
00:36:57,940 --> 00:37:02,760
witnessed sometime after midnight conversing with a taxi driver.

685
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,400
Apparently they kind of knew each other and after the taxi driver drove off she had been

686
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:12,520
stopped by another witness, sorry, by another person that witnesses recount being a dapper

687
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:19,240
wild dressed man in his 40s seemingly wanting to pick her up, so she went off with him and

688
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:25,320
this would be the last time Bruhilda would be seen alive.

689
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:32,840
So January 5, 1991, nearly two months later, her body had been discovered.

690
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,360
Children were playing in the woods when they thought they had found a dirty abandoned

691
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,400
mannequin, but they didn't realize at first and after a closer glance they noticed it

692
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:48,200
was a woman's body.

693
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Whenever it's like a kid finding the deceased dead body of someone else it's just truly

694
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,160
terrifying.

695
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Traumatizing.

696
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Traumatizing.

697
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:03,280
Cannot think about or fabricate how it must be for me as an adult to see that.

698
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Cannot imagine when it must be like for kids to see that.

699
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,760
It's so sad.

700
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:14,240
So like I said, her body was found, like Blanca she had been sexually assaulted, stripped

701
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,160
of her hair, and her neck showed signs of strangulation.

702
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,920
Now by the way I didn't know this, but sex work is actually legal in Austria for anyone

703
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,480
over the age of 19.

704
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Didn't know that.

705
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,880
I know that it's legal in, what is that, Amsterdam where they have the red light district and

706
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,320
stuff like it's really not that uncommon in Europe.

707
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,720
Yeah that's interesting.

708
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:42,840
So it was really interesting, it was really like puzzling for, I mean if we're thinking

709
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:49,720
way, way back maybe to like a lot of early days we can like think about from Europe at

710
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,480
least like Jack the Ripper and things like that.

711
00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:00,360
But it was still a little weird that someone was just targeting all these sex workers.

712
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,760
So it was weird.

713
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,880
It was a weird thing.

714
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:10,360
Now the next victim I believe was in Vienna, the narcissist seemed to be accurate on this.

715
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:17,360
After Jack had returned on December 5th 1991, he had targeted 31 year old sex worker Heidi

716
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Marie, a hammerer.

717
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:26,680
It was until near stay actually of 92 when the hiker had discovered her body nude from

718
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,600
the waist down and her pantyhose wrapped around her neck used to strangle her.

719
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,560
So now he's just going for it.

720
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,680
It's this really, it was like him kind of killing year after year and now it's just rapidly

721
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960
progressed to month after month.

722
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,240
And it's like his signature trademark too.

723
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,240
Yeah it really is.

724
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,400
Isn't this how he killed the first victim?

725
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,840
Like how did they not catch on?

726
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,160
How did they not put one and one together?

727
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,160
Yeah that's what I'm saying.

728
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,600
Is he in a different country now?

729
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,880
He's back in Vienna so this is like the same area Austria like he's in that area.

730
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,720
Yeah like they literally should catch especially because he's like famous now?

731
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:06,720
Like he's a no-name.

732
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:07,720
That's what I'm saying.

733
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:08,720
Oh my god.

734
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,560
If frustrates me to the core and I feel like we're going to get a little more frustrated

735
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,880
in a minute here so just hold on to your butts.

736
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Just imagine how if you wouldn't have been let out how these women would literally still

737
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,600
have their lives.

738
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,600
They would.

739
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,760
They definitely, they definitely, I always think about that.

740
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,640
I'm sorry to like go off topic again but side note.

741
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,520
I always think about with these murderers, have they not killed these people?

742
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,160
How would their families turn out?

743
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,760
How much would the world change?

744
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Butterfly affects people?

745
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,560
Really?

746
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,560
Really?

747
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,720
We have to do a, we should do like a episode on that kind of thing.

748
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,200
That would be really interesting.

749
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:56,560
So early that year in 1991, yeah actually tried to write a play called Dungeon which would

750
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,360
be a prequel to his memoir.

751
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Some motherfuckers trying to be a playwright.

752
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,680
Literally.

753
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,960
Oh my god.

754
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,040
But good thing it wasn't making much money and the way that he thought it would and this

755
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:16,080
failure really just started to bother him because he cannot bear failing I guess.

756
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:22,280
So he wrote another play called Scrumaphore and this actually stretched to a couple different

757
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,560
cities in Austria.

758
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,400
Easy to note, when one of the performances had gone what's going on, he literally left

759
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,280
the production and found a sex worker.

760
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,360
Her name was Afrida Strength and Gros but instead of just strangling her, he actually

761
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:47,480
forced her to give him, give her his number of her parents and talk to them on the phone

762
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,720
while he was sexually assaulting her and killing her.

763
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,880
Bro what?

764
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,560
She's elevating it to another level.

765
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520
That's also so risky for him.

766
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,520
Very, very risky.

767
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,000
That's just traumatizing and that's also just terrible.

768
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Wow.

769
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,880
I can imagine having my child and like I don't know if, I don't, I don't know again.

770
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,440
She was a sex worker, I don't know if her family knew this or not but it's just crazy

771
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:24,280
to think that he had forcibly got her parents' phone number, caught them and then abused

772
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,760
her over the phone.

773
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,600
And saying that that even happens.

774
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:36,960
It's truly another level of just brutal and just terrible, terrible stuff.

775
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:42,720
Now before leaving Vienna between April and May of 1991, he'd murdered four more women

776
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:47,280
on top of the five women he had already killed by this point.

777
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,280
So he's at nine?

778
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280
Yeah.

779
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,280
Oh my god.

780
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,040
Four in one month by the way.

781
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Holy fucking shit.

782
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,040
He says it's like one a week.

783
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,960
It's one a week, literally one a week.

784
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:08,200
These women were 23 year old Sylvia Zogler, 25 year old Sabina Mosey, 33 year old Regina

785
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:15,400
Prim who like Alfreda had called Regina's family and taunted them while killing her

786
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,160
and 25 year old Katrina Roku also discovered strangled.

787
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,640
To make this all the worse, he's still a reporter keep in mind.

788
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,760
He went to Vienna's Rettlite District to interview sex workers that were terrified about these

789
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,320
murders that they heard about.

790
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,640
So he literally committed these murders and then he went out to report about the murders

791
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,320
that he committed to other sex workers.

792
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,400
Well, that's one way to get like interesting stories.

793
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,400
Yeah, right.

794
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,840
To report to commit something and then do it and then make.

795
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Yeah, right.

796
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,840
Like what the fuck.

797
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,840
Kind of innovative.

798
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,840
Yeah.

799
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,840
No, absolutely terrible.

800
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,520
It's a sinister innovative way to get your name out there.

801
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Yeah.

802
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Oh my god.

803
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,960
This man is like maniacally smart.

804
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Yeah.

805
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,360
All the while, police are just finding these terrible.

806
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,480
Women are just I mean, the police are just finding these women and stretch all over Vienna

807
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,960
and barely beginning to just notice the M.O. that this serial killer has are strangling

808
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,000
these women in their own underwear.

809
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,000
And they're not puzzle pieces together.

810
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,160
They're being it's very frustrating and I don't know what was going on with this department

811
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,160
at the time.

812
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,760
I don't know why they weren't connecting these together, but it's the same M.O.

813
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,480
It's the same thing.

814
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:41,640
But if you remember, Salzburg inspector Angus Schreiner, who again was connected to sorry,

815
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:48,240
connected him to the murder of Marisa Horvath, but did not have enough evidence to charge

816
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,680
him with was not letting this go.

817
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,840
He knew exactly who this was.

818
00:44:53,840 --> 00:45:01,960
And he was the badass that would get this story kind of off the top off the off the

819
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,720
off the ground, I should say.

820
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:08,360
Now this is really when the press starts to give the killer of these sex workers a name,

821
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,880
which they called him the Vienna Woods killer.

822
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:19,520
So Angus Schreiner calls the homicide sector of Vienna police and tells them, I think Jack

823
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,400
Unterweger, who was convicted of Margaret Schaefer's death is behind this.

824
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:33,000
But the Vienna replete, but the Vienna police were not convinced.

825
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,560
They don't want to believe that it's Vienna's reform star writer.

826
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,980
So they just didn't believe it.

827
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:45,320
So that same week, Jack walks into the Vienna police station to interview police about their

828
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,120
findings on this so called serial killer.

829
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Jack finds that the police have been struggling to find any evidence of the guy committing

830
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,600
these crimes, even though he's the guy doing it in the station.

831
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,440
He's so smart.

832
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,080
He's so equipped about that, like it's so crazy that he's so swift about doing all this

833
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,880
and no one, no one suspects it.

834
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:14,480
No one suspects it, even though he has this criminal record already of killing somebody.

835
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:22,560
So he interviews officer Edelbacher and he questions Edelbacher at least he had questions

836
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,200
what expector Schaefer had to say about Jack, even though he didn't want to believe that

837
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,280
Jack could do this and resort back to the violence.

838
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,720
To him, he had seemed like a changed man, but he wanted to follow up this tip and that's

839
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:36,720
what he did.

840
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:43,160
So Jack leaves the station and after interviewing Edelbacher, Edelbacher has sent police officers

841
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,520
to surveil him for the next couple of days.

842
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,040
So those next couple of days, officers have found nothing about Jack.

843
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,320
They followed him around.

844
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,480
He was just going to restaurants.

845
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,080
He wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary.

846
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:04,440
And on June 10th, Jack returns to Edelbacher to inform him that he was going to travel

847
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,880
to the US to work.

848
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,640
Now keep in mind, he's on, what's the word?

849
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,080
He's on probation.

850
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Yeah.

851
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,080
So thank you.

852
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,080
He's on probation.

853
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,440
So he can't obviously really just leave the state.

854
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,120
I mean, the state, he can't really just leave the country without telling somebody.

855
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:29,520
So he did let Edelbacher know that he was just going to go to do more work for his job

856
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,240
as a reporter.

857
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,640
And Edelbacher was okay with it.

858
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,120
He was some luck, but Edelbacher was still kind of wary about this.

859
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,000
He was kind of suspicious.

860
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,800
Really wish he hadn't done that.

861
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Because on June 1991, Jack flies into LAX.

862
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:57,200
He takes a car into downtown Los Angeles where he checks into the infamous, the one and only,

863
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,200
where you got this.

864
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,000
Cecil Hotel.

865
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,000
You got that right.

866
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,080
That's freaking infamous hotel.

867
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,600
The infamous hotel.

868
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:13,800
Jack under Rigger was once a, they resident at the Cecil Hotel.

869
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,200
A resident or a guest?

870
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,200
Guest.

871
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,200
Sorry, I didn't mean to say resident.

872
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,200
Oh, it was like he lived there?

873
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Okay.

874
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,160
So he was a resident, but he did check into the Cecil Hotel.

875
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,960
Well, guess as to how he found out about this hotel.

876
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:34,960
He read about the infamous serial killer, Richard Ramirez, aka the Night Stalker, and was so

877
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:41,120
enthused by who he was and what he had done that he found out about the Cecil Hotel and

878
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,040
he checked into this hotel.

879
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,280
So while in Los Angeles, Jack met up with Hollywood reporters and also toured LA to Sightseeing.

880
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,600
He also wanted on the side to find his American father who had lived in America and had some

881
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,200
reporters had to help him, but had no luck.

882
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,920
And I think this kind of just really angered him a little bit that he couldn't find his

883
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:03,920
father.

884
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:14,400
Well, one night on June 19, 1991, in downtown LA, 35-year-old sex worker Shedin Exley had

885
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:22,560
gotten to a cab from her home making her way to 7th Street to begin her work that evening.

886
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:27,520
This area was also known as Skid Row.

887
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Not long after, she was approached in a car by a man in his mid-40s with a very nice dapper

888
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,080
looking outfit on.

889
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,880
He wrote down his window and he asked her how much.

890
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,360
He had broken English, but was clear enough for her to understand, and then he looked

891
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,440
mighty wealthy, so she tells him how much it is, and he invites her into the car and they

892
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,360
drive off.

893
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:59,440
They drive down 7th Street over the bridge along Los Angeles River and park in a deserted

894
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,040
light in Boyle Heights.

895
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:08,880
The next day, on June 20, 1991, Shedin's body was found near a pile of garbage discovered

896
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,680
by a group of girls passing by.

897
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,960
Her body was found somewhere to the rest, nude with her bra wrapped tightly around her

898
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,360
neck indicating that she had been brutally strangled.

899
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:30,280
In the next couple days, Jack decides to participate in the LGBTQ Parade in West Hollywood.

900
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,280
Yeah?

901
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,280
Yeah?

902
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,040
This man.

903
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,040
And nothing happened.

904
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,540
It was like nothing happened.

905
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:44,680
He even partnered and rode along with the LAPD to watch him for his article about LA violence.

906
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,280
This man is literally a fever dream.

907
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,760
Yes, this fuckface gets in a car with LAPD, rides around with him as he's a fucker that's

908
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:57,280
over here committing these crimes, and then on top of that, he goes to a fucking queer

909
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,280
parade.

910
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,280
What?

911
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,280
What?

912
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Oh, I'm sorry guys, I get a little into it, but June 28, Jack finds 33 year old sex worker

913
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,880
Aynira Rodriguez near the CISA Hotel.

914
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:18,880
She had just gotten to town from a greyhound, and unfortunately she had been a heroin addict,

915
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,560
so she paid her addiction through prostitution.

916
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,640
He drove her to a similar spot like Shannon in abandoned parking lot outside the city

917
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,720
and strangles her with her own bra, leaving a syringe needle beside her, beer body.

918
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:39,280
So not long after this, on July 3, Jack had checked down a successful Australian filmmaker.

919
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,720
His name is Robert Darhelm, I'm sorry if I butcher that.

920
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:52,200
He actually lived in the hills of LA, and Jack had basically wanted to check him down

921
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,880
to help him make his memory into an American version of his film, which fuck off, don't

922
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,840
bring that over here.

923
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,440
And I guess this interaction did not go well.

924
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:09,240
Darhelm knew who he was and kind of mocked him, and this really just pissed Jack off.

925
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,720
So what does Jack do?

926
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:16,680
He finds 26 year old Sherry Long, who looked to become a star, who moved to LA, but found

927
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:22,080
no luck and became an addict to drugs soon becoming a sex worker to pay for them.

928
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:28,000
She met Jack on the street, Jack had picked her up and drove her outside of the town,

929
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:34,800
out of the public view, where he once again assaulted, strangled, and left her dead body

930
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,200
in an open parking lot to be found days later.

931
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,760
So July 20th, he decides to leave Los Angeles and heads back to Vienna to publish his story

932
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:50,080
on the crime in America, ironically, and the next day Jack is confronted in the cafe by

933
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:56,640
his step-cousin, who you guys may remember from part one, Charlotte O'Hower.

934
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:03,800
We talked about her last episode, she was his ex-cousin who lived with him, their grandfather,

935
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,800
their grandmother.

936
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,040
She had read his memoir while he had been away and was furious about the lies that he

937
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,040
told.

938
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,480
This asshole tried to act like he didn't know who she was when she walked up to him,

939
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,040
and then she pulled out a photo of her, him, and their grandparents, and she threatens to

940
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,600
tell everyone the truth about his story, and you know what he tells her?

941
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,280
Be quiet or something that may happen to you.

942
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:36,160
So understandably, she was fearful and agreed, but she isn't the only one that tried to

943
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,920
tie things together.

944
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:44,200
Because not long after in September of 1991, Jack finds an article that seems to suggest

945
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,800
that the Viennese police finally have suspects.

946
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,200
Jack starts to begin freaking out.

947
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,600
So he goes back to Sergeant Autobocker to question about the Vienna Strainler for his

948
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,760
story.

949
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,800
When Autobocker tells him, we've got nothing so far, but we're keeping it across the chest,

950
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,040
we might have leads.

951
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,560
So Jack starts really thinking, they're onto me.

952
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:11,680
In reality, Autobocker lied, Jack was the main suspect, the only suspect.

953
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:18,240
So on October 7th, 1991, Jack returns to Autobocker, and Jack is seemingly taking more notes for

954
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:23,040
his quote unquote work for his reporting job, and he tries to wiggle in these different

955
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:30,040
alibis to kind of throw Autobocker off course to make him think that it's not him.

956
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:35,720
And I think Autobocker was kind of just trying to decompress Jack, so he wouldn't think Jack

957
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:39,040
was onto the police, and Jack believes it.

958
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,560
It's business as usual for him.

959
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,920
He's like, okay, I think I'm good.

960
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,880
And he goes on his merry way.

961
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:53,400
Also on November 16th, 1991, Jack meets an 18 year old Bianca Rack, who was a young girl

962
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,560
that had Jack tied up.

963
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:02,120
I think I don't know where she came from, but they just seemingly got this romantic

964
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,560
thing going on.

965
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:09,360
These two actually moved in together and pretty much groomed her into being his fiancee,

966
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,160
long story short.

967
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,240
And by the next year, they were married.

968
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:19,800
It is not known why he found and chose Bianca to be his wife, and I'm not sure if that was

969
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:28,000
his life, but I do know for sure that that was his fiancee, but she was seemingly naive

970
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,680
and had kind of had a thing for him.

971
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,120
So it's kind of weird.

972
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,040
And I think he was just kind of using her for leverage.

973
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,640
So that that would make sense.

974
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,640
Yeah.

975
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:40,920
But Jack is an idiot.

976
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,440
And this did not help because the case against Jack was getting very strong.

977
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,000
They even assembled a whole team specifically looking into Jack.

978
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:59,000
So February 1992 had came and Jack read an article in the paper saying, quote, murder

979
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:04,200
series and arrest warrant for Jack Unterweger.

980
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Immediately Jack fled.

981
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,480
They're onto him.

982
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,280
And it's in time because that next day, the Viennese police forced their way into Jack's

983
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,640
home where he had already left and fled.

984
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,280
And they found receipts to purchases that he had made in Los Angeles.

985
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,640
The Vienna police had contacted the LAPD to which they had then been able to connect the

986
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,360
Los Angeles murders to Jack Unterweger.

987
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:34,680
So now they had solid evidence and the question stands, where the fuck did Jack go?

988
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:39,720
So he had convinced and taken him and Bianca to France where they then bought tickets to

989
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:40,720
New York.

990
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,680
Then from New York, they went to hide out in Florida.

991
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,320
So they're back in the United States.

992
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,160
While in Miami, Jack had gotten Bianca as a go-go dancer.

993
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,360
He kind of convinced her to do this.

994
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,200
And while she did that, he worked on where they flee to next.

995
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:03,000
So Garrett Schmidt, who was a editor for Success Magazine, actually found Jack and told him,

996
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,240
hey, you know, you're on the run and I won't turn you in, but if you do an interview with

997
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,800
me, I can wire you some money and help you flee.

998
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,840
And so Jack agreed, unknowingly, that the money transfer was wired to alert authorities

999
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,920
of Jack's whereabouts.

1000
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,040
So they're getting pretty smart here, I guess.

1001
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,560
And thanks to Garrett, this actually really happened.

1002
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:26,920
This really helped.

1003
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:32,960
So that next day, Jack had gotten Bianca to go in and get the money for him, to which

1004
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,720
she agreed.

1005
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,520
While she went in, he sat in the car, but noticed something was off.

1006
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,120
He was looking around and noticed that there were cars that people were just staring at

1007
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,680
him in.

1008
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,600
And at that moment, he knew what was happening.

1009
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:53,040
As soon as Bianca had came out, he shouted, telling her to hurry up, we need to go, but

1010
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,680
she couldn't hear him from afar and wasn't speeding up quick enough.

1011
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,320
He had just sped off.

1012
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,640
This went down the block, making it only so far before the police had trapped him and

1013
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,520
immediately cuffed and arrested him and Bianca.

1014
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,200
So now he's finally caught.

1015
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,880
He was held in a Miami jail while Vienna and Los Angeles authorities worked together to

1016
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,880
build a case against him.

1017
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,360
They thought that he had just killed these two places.

1018
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:23,000
They were madly wrong because in his Miami apartment, authorities have found a journal

1019
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,400
according, I'm sorry, emitting to his murders in various countries in Europe.

1020
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:37,880
So on May 28, 1992, he was sent to prison in Vienna to weigh his trial.

1021
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,960
He couldn't bear to be back, so he wanted to seem suicidal at first to cut his wrists,

1022
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,560
but he's a dumbass and they just banished him right back up.

1023
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:55,240
And he sat left rotting for the next two years until the trial began on April 20, 1984.

1024
00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:03,160
And there he had begun being tried for the 9 to 11 murders of women between Prague, Vienna,

1025
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,560
and Los Angeles.

1026
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,320
These weren't even all the murders that he had committed, but they were the only murders

1027
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,200
that they could really tie him to.

1028
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:16,280
On June 28, Jock Unterweger was found guilty of the murders and was set to spend the rest

1029
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,960
of his life behind bars.

1030
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:27,560
But the next day, on June 29, 1994, at Graz, Giacomini Prison, Jack's body was found hanging

1031
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,440
from his prison cell.

1032
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:36,040
He had used a jaw string on his pants to hang himself from a coat hook.

1033
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,760
Good riddance.

1034
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,080
This piece of garbage took his life because he could not bear to deal with the consequences

1035
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,400
of the murders that he committed.

1036
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,840
Seemed like he was doing pretty good to me until he got thrown back in jail.

1037
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,560
Yeah, hell yeah.

1038
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,680
And may he rest in distress.

1039
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,400
And if Purgatory Israel, I hope he never leaves it and I hope he fucking, fucking...

1040
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,720
If any of that's real, he's in hell.

1041
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,720
He's in...

1042
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:58,720
Oh yeah, he's definitely in hell.

1043
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:08,760
But yeah, that is the case of Jack Unterweger that takes us to the ends of the Vienna Stringler.

1044
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:14,280
Thanks for hanging with us through that long episode, I think today was pretty long, but

1045
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:21,080
a lot of that needs to be said and I hope I can give a lot of those victims the voice

1046
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,720
that they needed to be heard.

1047
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:30,040
I truly am just taken aback even from taking those notes based on the shit that he actually

1048
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,960
had done because it's just crazy to me.

1049
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:39,240
This man did murder at least almost up to 11 and on with these murders and it's just like,

1050
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,240
why?

1051
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,240
For what?

1052
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:48,120
Like, I get the mama drama shit, I get the torture and the whatever that he may have

1053
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:53,720
been through as a kid that he had supposedly said that he had been through, but quite honestly,

1054
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,840
I'm like, dude, like, he had no reason.

1055
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,360
These women had lives.

1056
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,440
These women had children to take care of.

1057
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,640
They needed to stole that from them.

1058
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,360
Not only did you do that, but you wanted to extend that to by going to another country,

1059
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,960
many other countries and just taking other people's lives.

1060
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,960
Yeah, and just keep doing it.

1061
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,960
Just keep doing it.

1062
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,960
It's just so crazy to me.

1063
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,960
But yeah, that is the end of that.

1064
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,920
Before we wrap up fully today, we had kind of given you a little Easter egg about the

1065
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,400
next case that we're going to be talking about and it's not going to just be one story.

1066
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,320
We're wrapping up this year with two.

1067
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,360
We'll ask, sorry, that's wrong.

1068
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:41,520
It's one story, but two parts, just to be clear.

1069
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,880
I think you guys can go back and figure it out yourselves, but it will be a good one.

1070
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,640
It will be a good way to end up the year.

1071
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,960
So, Merry Christmas.

1072
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,200
Stay safe.

1073
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,720
If you live in the Midwest, I'm sorry.

1074
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:55,720
Stay warm.

1075
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Yes, stay warm.

1076
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,600
If you live anywhere else in the world with a lot of snow, stay warm.

1077
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,520
We love you.

1078
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:09,840
As always, the ways to reach us are going to include Instagram at WTLGO podcast and Kendall's

1079
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,080
personal Instagram at this is Kendall Hudson.

1080
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:21,080
Our Facebook page, when the lights go out, Twitter WTLGO podcast, our email WTLGO increase

1081
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:27,520
at gmail.com and our YouTube WTLGO podcast, hope and post some stuff there, maybe within

1082
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,400
the next new year.

1083
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,000
As always, feel free to DM, comment, or email any stories that you want us to cover for

1084
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,080
next year as well as send in listener stories as well.

1085
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,440
We really want to read them and feature them.

1086
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,960
And that is all.

1087
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Thank you so much for listening to today's episode.

1088
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,280
Tune in and join in and supporting us.

1089
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,320
We'll catch you in the next episode.

1090
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,320
Hell yeah.

1091
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,320
Happy holidays.

1092
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:55,320
Woot!

1093
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,320
Episode 17.

1094
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,320
Episode 17, y'all.

1095
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,320
We're making it pretty, pretty, pretty far.

1096
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,640
I'm so proud of us.

1097
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,680
And again, Merry Christmas.

1098
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,680
We love you.

1099
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:14,560
We'll hope you get everything you wish for, including our beautiful voices.

1100
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,280
And with that, we will see you when the lights...

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Goes out.