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What the fuck?
Okay, okay, for real though.
I'm Kendall.
And I'm Bree.
And this is When the Light Goes Out.
Hell yeah.
Well, we have had quite a week.
Bree has got so much done today.
You've done all the shopping in the world.
Guess your nails done.
Got an oil change.
Oh, did you really?
Oh, you didn't tell me that at first.
I should have.
I saw my oil change man.
We're on a first name basis.
I'm pretty sure I'm like two months behind, but it's fine.
You better...
You're supposed to get your oil change every four months or something like that, or every
like 3,000 miles, but because I live far from literally everything, I have to get an oil
change every month.
Do you really?
Dead ass.
Oh shit.
I feel like I'm being robbed.
That's a lot of fucking oil.
Yeah, and then I'll go, like I said, my oil change man because I'm there so often.
He knows me.
And I go or whatever, and then he'll be like, oh, you're like 2,000 miles past like when
you were supposed to get it done.
And I'm like, mind your business.
I had my dad check it.
He said it's okay.
Like it was okay for like a little longer.
Yeah.
Like I could wait a little longer because I'm not bringing my happy ass in here every fucking
two weeks.
That's expensive.
That's what I'm saying.
Like it's my car, not my nails.
I should not be there every month.
Oh, geez.
I'm literally so wack.
So I did that today.
Oh wow.
Okay.
And then I also studied for my exam.
Yeah, I saw that and I'm so proud of her.
She was studying when I came into the apartment and she's going to get this A.
And knocked out the five or six chapters of studying in like three hours.
Holy shit.
Also I'm sick.
Coming down with something.
I think Bri is sick every other week, but it's okay.
I literally used to never get sick and that's the crazy thing about it is I never used to
get sick and so until I started working at my current place of employment because I work
with a lot of not kids, but teens, I guess.
Like adolescents.
Adolescents.
And well, teens.
And I swear to God they every day must be bringing some type of crusty germs or something
into my world because why?
Why?
I swear I'm always sick.
Shout out to y'all who are getting me sick.
I know some of you guys watch this.
They're probably listening too.
No, some of them literally do.
Hey guys.
No, I noticed by y'all.
They're always liking our little pictures on Instagram.
Oh, I love that.
I literally love that.
So she's so much.
They're so sweet.
They literally make our likes on all of our Instagram.
I can tell you that right now.
Literally.
I don't know any of them, but shout out to you guys.
We love you.
I had, I think I told you guys last week that I went to, I went to New York for a week.
I went from, I think from the day that we filmed to the day we're filming now.
Oh no, yesterday.
It came back so Wednesday.
And it was fun.
I did a lot of shit.
I saw that Harry Potter play, the Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, which I strongly suggest
you guys go check out.
It's really good.
I did a lot of magic shit in it, which I didn't realize they would do.
I have to play boy.
He literally, he literally just whipped out the play bill from his frickin' laptop case.
Oh, there's a Chanel number five ad.
Oh my God, there is.
I have that perfume.
It smells like old ladies, but I love it.
Is it good though?
No.
No, it's not good.
Oh, you said it smells like old ladies.
But I love the aesthetic.
It was one of the first gifts Simon got me because he knew that I liked the aesthetic of it.
But it smells like old ladies.
Oh, that's lady.
Oh, I love it though.
It's funny.
I, knowing me, definitely followed one of the cute guys I was in the play.
He didn't follow me back though, so I didn't follow him.
You are.
And then we, or we, I went alone.
I had, did this thing called the edge, which is like the Midwest tallest, like, deck, like
outdoor deck or whatever.
So you can go out there, you can walk on it.
You can like go on the glass and see below.
Love.
I know what you're talking about.
I've never been to New York, but I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, it was very cute.
So if you guys want to see pictures, you can go on my Instagram.
This is Kendall Hudson.
And check that out.
Yeah.
Fuck yeah.
It was like good.
Yes.
Simon said hi Ken baby.
Hey baby.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I hope you guys like last episode.
I think last episode was really good.
That was the Alisa lamb case.
We're still, we're still carrying on with the whole connection to see soul month.
So today we have a interesting case, which I actually knew nothing about.
I did not know anything about this case and not know who this person was, but I had done
research and he does have some connection to the sea soul, which we will eventually get
there and see that connection circle back.
We'll circle back.
Yeah.
But I just wanted us to kind of learn a little bit about this weird ass man who did a lot
of shitty shit.
And yeah, so I think you guys will also see a lot of connections because I did between
this dude and Nicolai Jimmy Goliath.
So I can't tell you what episode that was at this point, but it was one of them.
It was one of the earlier ones.
It was one of our first ones.
I think that was like the third or fourth.
Yeah, I think so.
It was a short one, but it was a full one.
Yeah, it was.
He was a crazy ass dude.
Back in the pod lab.
Since then we've had two other room changes.
Two other room changes and this is our final and hopefully last one.
Hopefully final.
Well, we didn't even do so.
I can't speak.
We've been doing okay so far with our rooms.
So trying to.
We're trying.
We out here trying.
We never said we were good at this.
Yeah, true.
Don't at me even though I'm literally a digital media editor.
Okay.
No one had to know.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Or if you guys didn't know, I reminded you so.
Oh, before we start guys, you should go listen to Sizz's new album.
It's really good.
Okay.
That's what we'll talk about.
The only pop culture that we'll talk about.
Pop culture.
I like that you said that pop culture.
Why was I laughing like that?
Ew.
That was a really, I think it's the way I'm literally laying on the ground.
Yeah, yeah.
I think it's the way I'm laying.
It's like making me cough more and it's also making my laugh sound horrendous.
We're also, I feel like we're attached slap happy.
I'm slap happy.
Normally I'm freaking tired but I'm so slap happy.
I like this side of you.
I think I got a lot of dopamine today because I spent a lot of money and I love buying gifts
for people.
I fucking hate Christmas though, but I love buying gifts for people.
We now know what we're doing every time we start this show.
Spending money?
Spending money beforehand?
No.
But you got bills.
Imagine, that is a lot.
She got bills.
Maybe when we're rich and famous.
She got bills.
Yeah, that's very true.
Which is not far away from us.
She got bills.
Listen, but she got bills right now.
Oh, it's okay.
Same.
I actually have a bill coming up tomorrow.
Yeah.
Fuck you, Xfinity.
Taking all my money.
Oh, quick sign up too.
I told you this before the show, Bree, but I have to give some, well two things actually.
One, it's not very serious.
The other is very serious.
The first one is not very serious.
We need some, oh guys, I don't want to ruin anything, but watch White Lotus.
That's all I got to say.
Because season two, it's good as fuck.
It's so good.
Anyways, watch that.
But my second thing is, I need some tests for my brother because someone decided to steal
my brother's car right in front of our house.
With a camera.
And I did not know anything about this beforehand.
I think Bree had seen something on TikTok, but yeah, apparently they're out here at
Sillin' Kia's and don't know how that works or whatever.
But you guys, if you have a Kia, be careful.
Or a Nissan, I think you said too.
I can't remember if it was a Nissan, but it was another like car brand similar.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you guys have those, put them in a garage if you can or something.
Yeah.
Or behind another car.
Yeah, I feel so bad.
Yeah, my little brother, he...
Locked the car, really new.
Yeah, he just got this car literally this year.
With the snow money, right?
Yeah.
He was slipping it off and someone just came and took it.
So, yeah, that's really tragic.
Lock up your Kia's.
Lock it up.
What's the...
Oh gosh, what was that old video of like the...
It's like, hi to kids, hi to wife.
Hi to kids, hi to wife.
Hi to Kia's.
Hi to Nissan.
Hi to kids.
Literally.
I don't remember if it's a Nissan, but it's something.
It's a holidays and people are getting ruthless out here.
So, please, yeah, be careful with your cars.
I don't even care if it's not a Kia, not a Nissan.
Be careful with your cars because it's holidays and people act stupid and toriously for some
reason around this time.
So...
No one wants one on 2016.
I think I'm safe.
I got a lot of Bosnian though at least.
Yeah, people would rather your car than like, Bo, can you stop?
I didn't name my car by the way, so that's a thing.
Sorry, we...
That is also named.
Yeah, we name our cars here.
That's what we do.
So, all right, well, without further ado, it's story time everyone.
So, Settle In today is a weird, interesting, fucked up case.
Grab your popcorn and your blankets and hide your wives.
Hide your kids, hide your cockies.
No, no, for this case, hide your wives and hide your prostitutes.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
She's right because today we are covering the serial killer, Johan Jack Unterweger, aka
the Vianna Woods Killer.
Yikes.
So, we're going to go by Jack.
His name is Johan Jack Unterweger, his full name.
He also has the Vianna Killer, or sorry, the Vianna Strangler, but I'd rather just go
by his name for one because I don't love to go by ADS's when I tell a story.
I feel like I'm giving that person way too much, you know, credit and cat credit is not
due to them for killing people because we do not do that.
And this guy's a douchebag, so there's that.
But yes, like I said, this guy's Austrian, I keep wanting to say Australian.
He's an Austrian serial killer.
And early on, Jack as a kid never even really had the opportunity to live the typical childhood,
which we're not surprised by that.
The kind of childhood where his parents, you know, would nurture or just give him, you
know, some self, some, sorry, safe and sustainable home to live in.
But it's not that.
He seemed to have gone and grown up through plenty of violence.
And he was born to his mother, who was Teresa Antuega, and his father, Jack Becker.
And he was born on August 16th, 1950.
Now understand historically, five years prior to Jack's birth and 1945, World War II had
just ended, that thing.
And so with the Allied forces from Britain, the United States and the USSR and France,
they all remained in Austrian Germany.
And after war, the nations kind of began to slowly rebuild.
That's what they do after war.
They rebuild.
That is pretty much what these allies are doing.
This rebuilding of Germany and Austria persisted and continued for at least 10 years, well
into the year Jack had been conceived.
So during these years, the birth rate in these two countries, again, Germany and Austria,
began to dramatically increase.
And a massive baby boom had just let out.
But citizens of Germany and Austria started to not just procreate with each other.
They began to procreate with allies of the four countries I mentioned, Britain, the US,
and the USSR and France.
Often it was Austrian and German women that were with the male soldiers.
So the women began having kids with these men, leaving pretty much the women to raise
these children by themselves, which is really fucked up.
This was not all male allies, but it was a big portion of them.
And Jack, unfortunately, was a product of this neglect, along with 30,000 other children
that were left with their mothers, which is kind of tragic to think about.
Jack's mother, Teresa, was a country girl from Austria, notably a barmaid.
She took a trip to Italy, and along the way she met an American soldier named Jack Becker.
Allegedly, his mother, Teresa, at the time, engaged in sex work, being that it was just
an easier way to survive with the hard times, and this guy was one that eventually just
got her pregnant.
Now we can only really refer to only so much information from this case, so it's rightly
argued if Teresa was forced into sex work, or if she chose to go into sex work, so we
don't know.
But either way, who are we to judge?
She did what she had to do.
It was inferred that her relationship with Jack's father was an intimate flame.
With what was supposed to be a gift of bringing a child into the world, only really challenged
Teresa, she couldn't really afford to survive on her own, and she was barely surviving by
a thin needle, but bringing in a newborn into the world and supplying it with proper food,
living, and health was just difficult.
So she resorted to returning to Austria and made a long list of petty crimes.
These kinds were often just fraud and thefts.
I'm sorry I said just, that's not good, but she did.
So I gotta note something you guys.
My conductive research are from various podcasts, books, and articles, which per usual is posted
in our show notes to review in sight, but most of what all this information is provided
by comes directly from Jack Unteriger.
He had written two memoirs, which were intended to be drawn by sympathy.
So.
Boy, nobody's sympathizing with you.
No one is.
You'll see why.
Trust me.
Whoa.
Like, whoa.
And just have that in your bout, because I think that's just something to note.
I think that he has a lot of that, and you'll notice that within this.
But also, I am certain that story after story, you will recognize the most male serial killers
and for sex workers, but it's because they are often easier to target.
They figure that no one will look for them.
These monsters see sex workers as lesser than, and they do not view them as human beings
at all.
They just see them as people like it, or not even people.
They just see them as things that get paid for pleasure.
And that's just so sad to me.
It's so nasty.
Like, these are human beings.
These women are living, breathing people.
Like, that's their job.
This is their job.
This is what they know.
Like, you don't know their background.
You don't know where they came from.
You don't know what kind of predicament they're in.
It's not fair to see any person in my eyes as lesser than unless they're over here killing
people like Jack.
Yeah, literally.
Like, I see him as lesser than.
Definitely.
Fucking piece of shit.
But anyways, they don't deserve to die because some loon has mama trauma.
That's all I gotta say.
Yeah, what is he gonna say in his memoir?
Like, my mom was a bad mom.
Yeah, that's exactly what-
And I didn't know my dad.
Wait till we get to the-
So I went and killed women.
Wait till we get to the end of this.
It's gonna piss you off.
I promise you.
The bullshit that he likes to pull is just beyond me.
And we'll see by the end of his, I guess, story, quote, unquote, that he gets us.
So this is all that.
Now to note, Jack was later diagnosed with borderline narcissistic personality disorder,
and with this diagnosis, Mer often comes with exaggerating one's success or seems
oneself as nearly untouchable.
Sadly, we will see that this tends to work in his favor.
I mean, the saddest skis for a man was released from prison after killing a woman because
of a petition, which we'll see.
So it really just is working in his favor and it's fucking frustrating.
She meant like this doesn't teach a killer not to kill, it just shows them that you can
do whatever you want and then-
And get away with it.
There's no repercussions or punishment.
So now knowing this, also consider that this info about his mother could honestly be fabricated
from what just his views were and just what he thinks about his mother.
There's no solid supported evidence to argue that she voluntarily was a sex worker, but
it's taken from what he says based on what he published.
We do know that she did get into petty criminal activity based on her police records and
it's already hard to know what is right from wrong, but we'll usually just take from what
we have.
Let's just say that.
So moving on.
Jack had eventually been sent to live with his grandfather during his youth.
No specific knowledge of the age, but he had to just been around two or three years old
when this happened.
He claims that his grandfather, friend-nouned Frizer, was a drunk that trained Jack to basically
become an accomplice to criminal activity throughout his youth.
But as it is told, he was neglected, food and a nurturing relationship with his grandfather
and often seen a revolving door of sex workers coming and going from the little hut that
he and his grandfather had lived in.
Now according to podcasts, serial killers, Charletta Hauer, which was Jake's grandfather's
stepdaughter, long line family there, will later pre-test Jack's allegations years later.
She would claim that her and her stepfather, friend-nouned, had lived together for years
before Jake had even been born, and she never saw this side of him that would be her father
sleeping with other women and having other women over.
Someone lying here.
Something's not true.
Yeah.
Something's off.
But from her side of things, this was all fabricated and there was a fabricated lie to sympathize
with what he would do later.
So there's that.
Now Charletta's mother, Maria, also attested to this, sharing that she lived in the household
with Fernand, Charletta, and Jack.
I put Jake right next to it by accident, but we'll skip right over that.
And she says that, you know, Jack was raised with better morals than he depicted.
So clearly he's lying.
Right.
But neither of them argued that Jack's grandfather had been neglectful or abusive towards Jack.
So it's solely argued that Fernand was just a loyal person to his family and would never
have brought in affairs to their household.
So it's still hard to know.
Like, did he get abused?
Or maybe that part is true.
And maybe what he says about his grandfather sleeping with other women and stuff is false.
We don't really know, I guess.
But Maria could say that her grandson was very diabolical as a kid and he was a menace.
And to say the least, he just was not a very good kid to have around, which is crazy.
And this goes back to the whole thing of narcissism.
He is not taught and he's not comprehending that what he does wrong should be punished.
He just knows, I can get away with these things and I can get what I want.
Understandably, Maria is like, okay, I cannot live with this cricket child anymore.
He's gotta go or I leave.
His grandfather chose him and in 1958, she was fed up and left.
Jack was born in 1950.
So at the age of eight, he was personally rotten and manipulative to the point where
he chased off his own grandmother.
That's insane.
Yeah.
Eight years old and like literally being a menace to society.
Yeah.
And I mean, it was a step grandmother, but still, like, that's just crazy to me.
I can't even think about an eight year old having that over me.
It's just crazy to me.
So this child was a bad kid and I guess his attitude was just way too much.
Eventually CPS came and took Jack away from his grandfather for unexplained reasons and
was sent over to his grandfather's sister.
So here's the question.
We know he killed many women and most of his young telling is dependent on his angle.
Why am I explaining what we think he may have fabricated against, what people have
lived with him, have to say about him?
Well, because what Jack shares may be a lie or it may actually be somewhat true.
His step cousin and step grandmother only comment on what they knew from him for a short
amount of years that they lived with Jack and his grandfather.
So they never denied that he was abused by his grandfather, just that Jack made shut
up and got what he wanted.
Now there are also several years on the counter for where Jack just lived with his grandfather.
So I guess they couldn't really know.
Maybe he did become an abusive alcoholic and invited sex offers over.
I'm not really a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist either, unfortunately.
So I can't say for sure this is true, but neglect and lack of parental authority over
a kid, sure to me just sounds like the result of borderline narcissistic personality disorder.
If you ask me, I don't know.
You say look at our result?
Yeah, like overall.
I don't know.
To me, if you're getting neglected by your family, either way you look at it, like even
if you don't lie about his grandfather being a piece of predator and hat woman over, I
mean he still got neglected from his mom.
His dad he never knew.
And then he's over here getting moved around from his grandfather's house to his grandfather's
sister's house, all these other things.
So I don't know.
To me, it kind of seems like even if he could scare away his step-grandmother, I don't know.
It to me sounds like some kind of result of your winnings and I'm not getting punished
for anything I'm doing if he is being a bad kid.
So.
Yeah, I can see where he's coming from there.
I don't think narcissism would be rooted in neglectful behavior and a sense of being neglected,
but I see what you're saying of like he's not getting punished.
He's not getting punished.
I could see that where he's thinking like, oh I'm getting away with these things.
I'm so much better than everybody else.
I'm getting away with these things.
Nobody ever punishes me like I can do whatever I want.
I can see that.
Yeah.
But yeah, I was about to say that's a really bold assumption.
Yeah.
But yeah.
It is.
I see where you're coming from.
Yeah, it's just crazy to me.
I'm still thinking about an eight year old child like scaring away a grown ass woman like
that to me is like you have to be doing something bad.
Yeah.
Like he's clearly being a menace to society.
Yeah.
So that's just crazy in its own self.
So not long after he had been released and around this time at this point he was a teenager
so he had pretty much been in jail for some time.
He had found a woman on the street, she had gotten the car with him to which he then drove
her to a creek not far outside a city in Austria.
And while at this creek he had found a still pipe and sexually assaulted her with it while
simultaneously masturbating on top of her.
Wow.
Yeah.
The proper term for this fuck shit is sexual sadism and many serial killers seem to find
this as a pleasure starting out the way they do.
I did find the name of this woman but she seemed to want to keep everything private
and here we keep everything private for victims if they say keep her private so that will
remain anonymous but this woman did make it out alive to tell the story which is.
God she's alive.
Yeah.
I could have imagined how it being to look like.
Very traumatic yeah.
Yeah and she did immediately set out police and the police tracked down Jack and sent
him right to prison.
Good.
Again.
Soon after he was sent to a psychiatric ward in Salzburg for attempting suicide and after
his quote unquote treatment he was then released on good behavior.
So you know everything's all good and dandy now right.
It's hard to believe that he was released on good behavior.
From yeah.
From assaulting somebody.
Not only that but he's been a menace since he's literally or no not only that but he's
been a menace since eight years old.
Literally eight years old.
I doubt good behavior.
So Jack randomly decides to become a radio DJ.
That is actually so random.
The most random thing.
A radio DJ.
Which I think is just crazy because I'm like like how does that level out with your fascination
with assaulting and raping women all over Austria which he was still doing at this time by the
way.
He got right out of jail and just continued doing what he was doing already.
You don't learn your lesson the first fucking time.
Not only that but like how are you about to make a whole persona for yourself and put
your name out there as a radio DJ.
People know like radio DJ's names like that's just a thing like the back of their hand and
he's going to be out here being a menace.
Yeah.
Eight years old.
Yeah.
Now he's like has like a I wouldn't say he's like necessarily famous but he's well known
at this point right.
He's getting he's like getting known.
If he's a radio DJ.
Yeah people are really knowing his name at this point.
Yeah.
Okay.
And this assaulting and the raping is just not enough for Jack.
Hurting and assaulting is just too easy as apparently it comes to him.
So what does he do next.
He heightens the odds and decides to start murdering.
All right.
That's just the next step.
Yeah.
That's the level that you take next.
You guys you just start fucking murdering people.
No you don't fuck your ear.
Oh my god.
So.
This man.
A 25 year old creation woman by the name of Marie Marista Horvat and her husband motto
had just moved to Salzburg Austria helping for a better life.
No God.
At the time Marista was only a maid and on March 31st 1973 she had a couple friends and
wanted to visit them in the city.
She had let her husband motto know she'd come back later that night.
But when my dog got home from work he realized that Marista had never returned home.
He asked neighbors and no one knew where she had been.
It was like kind of weird and it was not like her to be out so late.
So something was off.
The next day on Sunday April 1st 1974 a group of young boys have been hiking just outside
of Salzburg when they spotted a female body in the shallow waters of Salzgauck Lake.
A father and son fishing nearby heard the screams of the boys and immediately notified
the authorities.
When her body was found she was naked from the waist down.
Her wrists had been bound with a red black and silver necktie.
Her ankles had also been tied together by her own penny hose and her mouth had been
gagged with supplies from a first aid kit such as a gauze and cotton bandages.
Her face had been severely bloated which indicated that she had been brutally beat.
Poor girl.
That's so tragic.
Imagine moving to a country like yay new beginnings.
And then this happens because some fucker decides to just be a terrible human.
Yeah and I can imagine the young boys having to find it.
Like that's traumatizing to some childhood by the way.
Oh my god.
So the next day Mato has submitted a police report and immediately was notified and identified
a body that had matched the description that had been given to the police.
The body was in fact that of his wife Marista Horvat.
Inspector Angus Schirner.
I think I'm saying that right.
Oh sorry not Angus.
Uh Agus.
It's Agus Schirner.
Spent most months looking for her killer only having a necktie as a lead to who had
done this.
The tie was traced back to a shop in Vienna but the story had no record of who bought
it that day and who it was sold to.
So the case slowly began to become cold.
Now on April 4th 1974, four days later Jack had been arrested for attempting to illegally
cross into Germany from Switzerland.
So he was held in custody for four months and he was released then working as a server
often job hopping using the same serving occupation and in August of 1974 he had gotten a job
as a disc jockey with women still filing complaints against him that he was doing the exact same
thing so nothing changed with this guy.
Nothing gets by on this guy.
The fact that he's getting out of jail so often I think that's really giving him the
advantage of that narcissism thinking that he can get away with it.
So I cannot tell you why he's being released so often and why he's being off with like
all these different you know, slots on the risks.
I looked everywhere does not tell me why it's fishy but that's that's the information as
is.
So in mid December of that year which was 1974 Jack somehow found love in a hopeless
place with a young German girl named Barbara Schultz.
Not the Rihanna.
I had to throw in that reference.
So not even a week into knowing each other had gone by when they both agreed to travel
two hours to her parents house but not to meet her parents to rob them.
And she was in on it.
She was in on this shit.
Wow.
How the fuck do you find a bitch that decides to do this with you?
Like what?
Wow.
Her own parents?
Wow.
But when they arrived she actually got cold feet.
So instead they tried to think of other ways to rob cash.
So while pondering on other ways to make money because apparently getting a job is an option,
Barbara just so happens to spot her old friend Margaret Schaefer walking down the street.
So Jack's sinister gears start turning.
Now while he's sitting as Mercedes.
Wait hold up.
Mercedes?
Yeah.
He was.
I was this man that afforded a Mercedes.
I'm wondering.
Didn't he like just get out of jail?
Yeah he did.
I'm wondering the same exact thing because you know what?
I actually was curious about that.
Didn't find anything about how he fucking bought a Mercedes.
I'm wondering if you ever seen him if he was stolen or he stole the money to buy that
car.
Yeah and he doesn't have a job because he's out here robbing people so like.
Matilda girl.
Me, me, me, me, me, me.
I don't know the words.
Matilda girl.
This motherfucker.
Okay.
Sorry.
Back in action.
I hate you.
I'm sorry.
Back in action.
I hate this guy.
Yeah.
I mean I hate like obviously all of them but like this guy.
He is a trip.
Yeah.
A true trip.
Keep going.
So like I said he's sitting in this Mercedes and he turns over to Barbara and he says,
Hey, since she was once your friend and she'll trust you, you should lure her into the
car for a ride.
We can just disorient her and just rob her.
So her friendship clearly didn't mean shit to her to Barbara because she nods and she's
happily agreeing with it.
What?
Oh my God.
Your own friends.
Not even if it's your old friend, it's still your friends.
So Barbara gets out the car.
She goes up to Margaret and she tells her that she should come hang out with her and her
boyfriend to catch up.
It'll be fun.
So Margaret says, Sure, why not?
They walk over to the Mercedes and get in.
Margaret reaches over to shake Jack's hand and they drive off.
Once they get to a quiet, dimly lit street, Jack turns off his headlights, turns around
and strikes Margaret across the head with a heavy instrument.
Poor Margaret.
How scary.
He grabs her by her shirt and literally pulls her forward and to like towards the front
of the car and he tells Margaret to remain silent and comply.
He takes the bell that's on Barbara's coat and ties it around her hands and kind of like
ties it behind her back so she can't, you know, do anything or whatever.
So Margaret is struggling to get loose and Jack demands money.
So she complies to which she only actually had 30 marks on her, which is about $17 in
US currency today.
So he's yelling at her for having this small amount and frantically she says, It's okay.
Like I have more like it's on my parents house and she gets them her house keys.
Oh my God.
I would probably do the same thing if I was in that predicament.
I would be freaking out.
I understand.
Like you don't know what to do.
The first thing you think is stay alive as long as possible, right?
Like that is what you want.
So give them what they want.
So they then drive over to Margaret's parents house.
No one is luckily home or her parents are at least so they're not in a harm's way.
So Barbara breaks into the house, steals some clothes and a hundred marks, which is approximately
$57 in today's American currency.
What's this really worth it?
Like 70 bucks?
Like a little bit more than 70 bucks.
Not shit.
Yeah, by the way.
Okay.
And some clothes like.
Were they Gucci?
Like what the like?
No, I doubt that.
I highly doubt that.
Like walking around with only $17 in her pocket.
Yeah, I like was it really?
Oh my God.
Your own friend.
Literally so.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So like I said, Barbara takes the money, she takes the clothes and she goes back into
the car where Jack has Margaret held hostage.
As they drive off, Jack insists something be done about Margaret because she cannot be
let free and with little hesitation, bravado ads and ignoring Margaret's plea to be a good
friend and let her go.
They drive to a secluded wooded area and I just got chills just saying that I could
imagine playing like imagine your best friend me like begging for help and you're just ignoring
them like that.
That hurts.
That's cold blooded.
It's so cold.
So they had jumped into this secluded wooded area and tells Margaret to take her clothes
off in which she refuses.
So he punches her in the face and both Jack and Barbara forced to ship her bear.
Jack then proceeds to get off the car.
He goes to the trunk, takes out a still bar and takes Margaret's bra and then begins to
drag Margaret out of the car by her hair.
While nude by the way into the dark woods.
He does ask Barbara if she wants to join but she decides to weigh in the car.
So when Jack finally gets far enough into the woods off the trail, he begins beating
her with a still bar assaulting her with a bar.
He then takes her bra and strangles her with it.
15 to 20 minutes later Jack returns to the car, tries off with Barbara disposing of the
bloody still bar and his boots and then tosses them out a couple miles away from where they
left Margaret late dead.
Margaret's body was not found for another three weeks.
A couple of hunters stumbled upon her bear and battered body.
Her bra was still found wrapped around her neck too.
It's just so tragic to think about.
Now unfortunately I don't know how her body was found if it was decomposed or what not
because it is around the winter time in Austria so I don't know specifically if there's a
lot of snow or whatever if it's super cold but I can imagine it's probably cold.
She may have not decomposed a ton so she may have still been intact.
Don't know for sure but that's that.
The next month in January of 1975 Jack and Barbara find a 16 year old named Maria to help
them commit a couple of acts of theft.
Where they find this girl don't know.
But at a certain point they all planned to stage a kidnapping on her parents in demand
ransom.
Fortunately the police co-inert both Jack and Barbara then they were both sent in for
questioning.
The police actually were able to connect the death of Margaret Schaefer to Barbara and
Barbara's dumbass immediately read it out Jack and served a letter of sentence.
So Jack was charged with the murder of Margaret which good news and he was then sent back to
Salzburg to wait a trial.
At the same time Inspector Agassinner who saw this on the news in the papers he was
the dude that was assigned to the Marista Horvath case really started to connect the
dots.
Eventually he flew in to Salzburg to question Jack.
Now Inspector Schaefer did catch Jack in a couple lies about where he was that night
that Marista was murdered because his albis were just not matching up and they're a little
loose but he still had no solid evidence.
This trip did ensure Schaefer that Jack was in fact the killer of Marista Horvath but
sadly Jack was never charged with her murder and her case still remains cold today.
In 1976 Jack's trial for the murder of Margaret Schaefer began and almost immediately he just
confessed everything.
But it was far from the truth.
He told the court as he was mugging her in the woods he saw his neglectful mother in
her face and raged swell within him and he blacked out.
That is the saddest excuse for a fucking man of ever heard in my life.
You did not fucking black out bitch.
You knew exactly what you were doing and you planned this right before you did it.
So don't tell a fucking jury that you did this by accident or you blacked out.
Yeah there was an intent.
Like he literally had, he just so happened to have a steel bar in his trunk.
Thank you.
Like an emergency?
Yeah no.
In case he fell like murdering obviously.
And he literally brought it with him when he was dragging her naked body across the woods.
Like he knew what he was going to do.
He knew exactly what he was going to do.
He knew what he was going to do.
You've not told me differently.
Don't use this fucking excuse.
Like dude.
Yeah the court saw right through his bullshit a temp for sympathy and he was then sentenced
to life in prison at Shainton prison.
So you would think that's the end of the story but that's actually far from it.
Cause Jack Unterweger went on to commit some pretty gruesome crimes.
What happened next?
That's a secret I'll never tell.
XOXO.
Oh sorry I can't say that.
Not that.
Oh my god.
Yeah well actually yeah we're going to have to wait till part two to see what happens
cause it gets pretty crazy from here and you'll be pretty shocked to see what happens.
Don't look it up but.
So how many people did he end up murdering?
He actually ended up murdering 14 to 16 people and that's only the people we know that he
murdered.
Wow.
And I only covered a couple.
Yeah.
Wow.
Some of them are pretty brutal so I might, I did cover some today that were really brutal
and I apologize for that.
I felt some people really need their stories told.
There are some stories I may not be able to tell just for quality reasons.
I want to keep it somewhat cleaner.
I did tell a lot today but I want to keep, I don't want to put a lot of heavy stuff on
us so I will cut some things out just for the sake of you know, mental health reasons
things like that.
I don't want people being overwhelmed.
Yeah, yeah I don't want people to become overwhelmed about you know, the things that we tell or
anything.
I want us to learn.
I want us to take in a lot of this information but I also want us to you know, go along with
the story.
So yeah, there might be a couple I might keep out.
I don't do it purposely.
I just want to make sure that nothing is too gruesome here or anything.
But we will cover part two next week.
We actually have a nice little gift for you guys coming up because you will get three
more episodes this month and there's only two more weeks in the month left so we will
be doing a very special case at the end of the month.
It's going to be a two-parter.
But you know what it is but she's going to be like she doesn't.
I have to remind her after the show.
I'm not going to tell you guys what it is but we're going to come out with two episodes
in one week.
It's going to be a great one because you guys all know who it is.
I'm not going to say who it is but just know.
I have the memory of a squirrel.
I don't even know what he's talking about and I know that he told me because I know
that we went over it but I truly have the memory of a squirrel and I'm also just always
in doing something and being busy.
So I get that.
Those things just kind of get forgot about.
All you guys need to know is that and this is your hint.
Another case that we do this month is somehow connected to the Seasill Hotel.
So take that little hint.
Oh I remember.
You remember?
I remember.
Okay.
Okay good.
How can I forget?
Yeah.
Well yeah that's our little gift to you guys.
We're going to be doing a two-parter in one week so you guys are going to get that.
You're going to get this next week.
It's going to be a lot for us but it's going to be fun for you and fuck yeah we're going
to kill it.
So.
Happy holidays.
Woo.
Yeah.
I'm sorry again guy for that really hard, really hard story.
We will continue it next week and until then.
I'm going to go to the third.
No it's okay.
I don't ever really tell you either.
All right.
My voice sounds so weird right now.
Oh my god.
Anyway.
As always the ways to reach us are going to be Instagram at WTLGO Podcast.
Yay.
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Go like my pictures from New York.
Oh yeah they're really good too.
Thank you.
They deserve it.
I literally got strangers to take pictures of me so if you don't like them I'll be sad.
French strangers.
French.
Oh I spoke French with them.
That was so fun.
I never could just speak French with people.
Love.
That was a treat.
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Send us ideas.
Send us your stories.
We're still looking to compile that video.
We still think it'd be really cool.
Nobody is wanting to give us stories.
Yeah.
Maybe one day.
We're waiting.
Maybe one day.
Yeah.
Like I said before, we have, at least I have plans for us a lot of cool stuff next year.
But I don't want to release it until we start ranking up a little more followers and a little
more love.
So like I said, tell your friends, tell your family, let them know that we are here.
The holidays are coming up so when you're with all your family, let them know.
Let them know.
I know you're going to be around them.
I will literally come to your house when I want.
But I will literally, I'll give you a cute little individual greeting.
Let's say that.
That's cute.
That's fun.
Love.
That's fun.
I don't know how many I can do but yeah, that'll be fun.
Boo will attack if y'all don't send us suggestions.
Boo's a menace.
And she's crazy.
Yeah, she is.
She was actually really good this episode.
Oh, she was.
She wasn't doing too much or anything.
She kept wrapping her towel around the mic a couple times but not on pink everything
that was pretty good.
But with that, we will see you next when the light goes out.
A bientôt.
Ciao.
Bye.