I'm Kendall and I'm Bree and this is when the light goes out
Sweet today is a little weird. We are recording midday
So in a different room in a different room
This is our third time trying a different room because I don't know if you guys noticed last episode
I am so sorry about that, but the airhead kicked on and the living room that we were recording in last time
And it just sounded very
Like moaning
Miss moans. Yeah, so sorry about that guys
Hopefully it's way better now. You know, we're just critiquing as we go. So bear with us there. We're still learning
We're still learning. We're still we're still trying shit out. So what can you do?
But I hope you guys did enjoy that last episode
about the Cecil Hotel because it was a very very gruesome and
depressing one so
Hopefully yeah, hopefully y'all learned something about that it was kind of
a
on a whim because I had struggled so much with
Trying to like figure out how to carry on with this month's set of episodes
But we finally got through it and here we are. So it's cool. I'm so excited to be here now and
Like I said, it's weird because we're recording at like one o'clock in the afternoon on a Tuesday
So it's like a usual like our usual day, but was it it's kind of like
Stay light. That's about difference. It's nice though cuz I'm not like half asleep. Yeah, it is true. Yeah
I think we might start doing this more more
daytime
Recordings and such so yeah, hell yeah
well
With that I won't spend too much time I
Do have a flight later on to catch I'm going to New York later. So excited for that
I bought tickets to go see Harry Potter on Broadway
So excited for that. It's Harry Potter and the Chris Child and if you know me
Well, you already know I love spooky shit, but I also love that wizard shit. So
Yeah, so that should be really fun and I'll be doing a lot there
So if you want to follow my little ventures in New York, feel free to follow me on insta because that is where I am most so
That's where he lives. That's literally where I live
Yeah, I spent all my time on there a lot of people spend the time on tiktok. I spend my time on
The Instagram so it's cool. It's alright. We're great
We're thriving
Super say that's what I
Work with like a lot of younger high schoolers, I guess and
Our new thing well my new thing cuz I'm like old is super slay super slay so slay and
Queen pussy slay
I'm gonna use that that's so funny. Shout out them. Shout out them. I know some of them actually listen to our show
Yeah, that's kind of you guys. Shout out you guys. Thanks for listening
Well, they're like some are like high schoolers and some are my age or a little younger. Oh, okay. Yeah
Yeah, but it's like slay. It's funny how slays coming back because it's not like the 2012 like slay
Slay it's like so slay. I guess like
Two different slays. It is two different slays. Oh my gosh. I love this. I'm learning so much right now
Yeah, they keep me hip. You're making me old. I didn't know this was even a thing
Yeah, you know, it's weird. I feel like
The more I am around anyone younger than I am the more I learn about different verbiage that people use like slang and stuff
Yeah, I know I just learned what Riz is what the hell is Riz? It's like
Like game basically like oh game like talking like how good you are like talking and like getting bitches basically
Oh shit getting girls Riz
Is you don't got any Riz guys I swear to the day Riz
Riz use it in a sentence. How do I use it in a sentence use it in a sentence today? Oh my gosh, y'all
I'm going to New York. That shit is gonna be so fun. I'm gonna get all the bitches
It's gonna be Riz better. He's right
No, it's like more like I
Have a lot of Riz or like I doesn't have any Riz like it's like
Oh, oh, oh, okay, I see so like oh my gosh, Bri is looking so fucking hot today
But I have no Riz. Yeah, I have no Riz like I would never be able to get her
Oh, I love that. Yeah, like that type of thing Riz. Oh, I love that
I love that. Okay. I'm using that for now on yeah
So you have like a lot of Riz cuz you're good at like getting dudes getting dudes
So you have a lot of Riz. I love that. Okay, but reason that for now on TM for trademarking that
And also just a side note, sorry, I don't want to go on attention
But I had to say this because I was angry about it already
I had told Bri before we started the show how I had lost my air pod at the coffee shop
several months ago and
I think this is like around the time we were just starting the show, but I had finally
like decided to get a new replacement for my left air pod and
Did not realize that it's like a hundred dollars for a new one and I'm like, holy shit
I feel like I paid enough like at least a hundred something dollars just for like both pairs
I didn't know it was that much. That's just crazy to me
Is it like that or turned off like you can't track it?
Yeah, well, I try to track it and it's just like not in existence. It's just I don't know
Maybe someone threw it away recycled it. I don't know, but I'm like damn that. It's a really expensive air pod
I didn't know it costs it so much
But it's cool
Oh, I tried so I tried so many times
It's like my my not coffee shop
I go to is like my home and I won't share which one so I don't triangulate everything but
It's one of my favorite places to go to
Some of these listeners know I'm sure you do
I'm like sure some of those braces are listening
But it's cool like I knew pair of beads have phones so I can edit our show with so
Hopefully our material just gets better and better with the more expensive equipment that we buy and we just get better. So sweet
Yeah, how you oh, I didn't know it's here now. It's before did it did you just get those done?
No, they are so old. I actually was really about how I need to get them done. Yeah, look how grown out they are
Oh, they're not that I've seen so much worse girl. Oh my god. They are literally so grown out. No, you're over here looking good
I got my hair done for I got
So I got them arches now um so funny story because
We I won't spend too much time so we can go into the story, but my um
I last person wasn't there yesterday. So I went on a Monday. I get my eyelashes done usually on the like a Saturday
Oh, thank you eyebrows. Sorry. I'm delusional. I didn't get much sleep last night
but I had went to the eyebrow place to get my eyebrows done and
The lady that usually does some wasn't there and I was really hurt because she does some perfectly every time like I don't like my eyebrows
Way too arched or anything. I just like them cleaned up with just a little a little slant a little feel
But this isn't this newer lady that I went to it's like oh, I got you and I'm like, okay
Like she usually just does it where it's like just like she cleans it up and it's just like a little
It's a little arch. No, this bitch went ham on my eyebrows. She was like right though. They do okay
I'm like I was like nervous at first cuz I'm like she showed me and I'm like wow those
These are these are different for me, but I like so maybe I'll go back to her if I get enough reviews
We'll see
Like obviously like men's eye or eyebrows aren't supposed to be arched super arched. Yeah, but it fits my face
Okay, okay, hopefully and then I also got my hair cut. Yeah, I got the matching piece
I got the fade. I got the fade. I got the two-piece set
I
Just get like a clean. Yeah, I get like a
Lineup, yeah, I do I did get a little fade just because my hair just grows rapidly within two weeks
But but enough hair talk for now. We can move on to
something that we have all been waiting for
This story of Elisa lamb and we have so ready. We have boo
I'm so ready boo is laying up under her. She's like I'm here too. I want to listen so we love the audience
I'm gonna give her commentary. Oh, yeah. Oh before we start to just so you guys know if you guys hear page flipping
That is me
Usually I would put all of my work onto our tablet, but unfortunately I did not have time to do that
So we are going verbatim based on my notes. I have written down so
Bear with me. I'm like always if you hear any other random noises. It's the cats. Oh, yeah. Yeah, bunny
Her other cat is going beneath the blind slot. So that happens windows to the window
To the wall to the wall
So such under my balls
Okay, our tensions today are crazy
Okay, we're focused. We're here. We're we're present. I'm gonna get serious time to get serious. It's story time everyone
so as
You guys might have noticed today's episode is named what happened to Elisa lamb
Now Elisa lamb is a very very very popular
story that I'm sure everyone has heard about and
I'm just really
Excited to do the story because I've honestly been wanting to do this since we started the show
I just didn't know how I want it to ice
Not I silly
execute this
Story, so we're just gonna go through it get this story to her. It's like a real
Kind of like mystery. It is a mystery to crime. I think this is a familiar
Yeah, this is really one of the biggest I think to me at least one of the biggest
true crime stories
To date and at least the bigger true crime story is that a lot of people are a lot of podcasters at least tell so
This is our turn and this is our way of telling it so
Okay, well
Oh my god, I'm so glad we did sorry guys hold on that actually
Oh my god, she's just Christ. She jumped on the table. Oh
God, okay the price of having cats, okay?
so
They're lucky they're cute. I'll tell you that I'm gonna like
Okay, we're good. That was funny. Okay
Okay, Jesus Christ
so
Elisa lamb was born on April 30th 1991 in Vancouver British Columbia, Canada
She was the daughter of two immigrants from Hong Kong. Oh, not you two
Don't ever you would never she was trying to get on the table and try to wreck shit up to okay. We're good
Say swear
Seriously, though. Okay, they're gone for the moment. I'll be back. I am so sorry
We didn't even get through the first like sent it bullet
So like I said, Elisa Lam is the daughter of two immigrants from Hong Kong
She is the daughter of David Lam and I think it's Eena Lam from that was taken and
She also had a sister which I'm not sure if her sister was older or younger, but her sister
was oh
Duh, her sister's name is right here. Oh
Her sister's name was Sarah Lam. So she also had a sister and then she had lived with her parents
And growing up she was always known as being very bright
She was just a notable student too and she also went by Elisa Lam
but she had a
Actual name my actual can knees name which was Lam at whole ye
so
Elisa's parents were restaurant owners and Burr Burr Bear. I was at Burberry Burnaby British Columbia and while they were
working there, oh, I
Cannot speak
So why are they were working there?
At least I had also attended the University Hill secondary high school and then she eventually went off to University of British Columbia
Now what's interesting is that prior to her disappearance sources say that she was was not registered as a student
So I don't know what that means, but maybe she just
D registered as a student and we'll later figure out, you know, she was having a lot of problems and stuff
So maybe that was like a reason don't really know specifically why but you know, we can
Put our all odds on what we can so
So one thing about Elisa was that she was a huge blogger
At first I know right at first
She started in high school or secondary school with a blog named ether fields on blog spot
Which side note blog spot has been around since I think the internet was the internet and you can still use it today
But I think if I'm not mistaken, it's called blogger now and many people still use it to this day
It's more kind of now like a business type thing or like is usual at
Educational uses kind of like WordPress. I'm sure we've all used that before
But any who this have been in around 2010 and two years later
She maneuvered from blog spot to tumblr with a blog she names new Val new a newvo
We love tumblr
so these blocks were often her like
Digital getaway if you will and she just post about you know fashion famous quotes and just her day-to-day life
Quite honestly, but who hasn't done this all throughout college. I ran a travel event fashion blog actually caught the Kindle Chronicle
Do you remember that? Yeah, I even remember branch a oh branch a I had yeah, so I had a
Sight note again. I had a website in high school called branch a where I sold like clothes
And I actually did it really well. I saw a lot of clothes and stuff
Do you maybe I'll start it up again one day never know
But yeah, so that was I mean something that I feel like we can all just kind of site with and so now this was often her hobby
But not only what she post off
Post I mentioned, but also a lot regarding to her mental health and mental illness. I
Didn't want to retell the whole background of the season hotel by the way, but if you are curious
It's all in the episode 14. So go back. You don't have to listen to last week's episode to understand this episode
But it is really good to just
Follow our little deep dive on that one. So you should probably just take a gander listen to it. It's good
I promise but in case y'all really need just a quick review of the Cecil Hotel
And I just want to tell this now before we go any further
It was built in the early 1900s right around the time the Great Depression hit. I think that's right
The early 1900s. Yeah, yeah
Okay, yeah
And then the hotel that sits overseeing skit row over time develop an array of fatal fatal tragedies throughout its time
Living up to the infamous story of today's case Lisa Lam
I
I still am sitting with that story from last week about the baby that was thrown out of the building because that
Just doesn't sit right with me. But I know one where she fell and hit it by
Yeah, yeah, there was the one
Little case that we talked about. Yeah, you gotta listen. Go listen. It's crazy. It's truly crazy
Anywho in 2013 a Lisa had been experiencing a ton of withdrawals
Which she which I'm sorry, we will get into a little later, but she really thought it was time to take a break from school
So she decided to do some traveling to help ease a lot of that pressure and she had been that she had been just a countering at home
So she had came down to the United States for vacation
One of the main states that she really wanted to try out or just had her eye on was California
So she bought an Amtrak bus ticket instead out to San Diego on June
Sorry, January 22nd and she really loved just the city itself. It takes she took a lot of pictures
She later post on her blog of her visiting restaurants and the state San Diego zoo. Can I help you little bun?
I mean, oh, you're not bun. I'm sorry. You're boo
Okay, be quiet, okay
So she actually called this trip which I thought was really cute
She called this trip on her blog the West Coast tour, which I think is just so cute
I didn't think that we have so much so much in common because I think I would do something just like this
We're I would definitely do something like this call it the West Coast tour. Oh my gosh. I love it
The West Coast can doll I love it
But it's not about me. It's about Elisa. So I definitely
Would say I would do something like this at 21. Hell, I would do it now. So whatever
But now keep in mind she told her parents she would you know, make the trip alone and she wanted to do this for herself
Which I can't blame her but y'all if you do go on trips alone
I'll just keep at least one or two people you trust on your radar at all times because
Things happen not saying that she didn't but it's a dangerous word out there
True true true
Take the cautions precautions at least
So she did tell her parents she'd be safe and she followed up with them and that's exactly what she did
It's clear that beyond her just known personal struggle struggles her parents trusted her pretty well
So after leaving San Diego, she planned on moving to San Francisco and then Santa Cruz
And she made all this known to her
family but also to her blogging
now
That's my one problem with this because
It's great that you can you know, show friends how you might travel or things like that
But do not post what you're going or your schedule on the internet. It is so dangerous
And if I'm not mistaken if I mean, I know a lot of people use Instagram
But um, I think they're everyone's been talking about how Instagram does that thing now where if you post something
You can see your location unless you turn off the filter or like the function
Um, I know you I know there is an option, but I didn't know that it was just automatic. Yeah, it's automatic
So in order to just assign in order to turn that off. I think what you can do. I'm not sure specifically
for all phones, I'm pretty sure it's pretty similar but um
When you have the app like Instagram or Facebook, you can go to your settings
And then when you go to the specific app, um, you can see that the location it says while using
Usually people have while using on I would turn that off completely if you really want, you know
To post something or show people where you are. I suggest and this is just personally in my opinion
You should post it after you leave that place because I agree. Yeah, like you never know
who and what and I or you know, you never know who is watching
After this is over, you're gonna have to show me that. Yeah, I have to show you that. Yeah, it's yeah
It's kind of it creates me out just alone
So I can only imagine how many females or girls out there are like
posting this kind of stuff and you never know and now one thing I'll also say off topic is that not off topic
But off my notes is that um, Alisa
Alisa's still not on the phone
Alisa's story is still pretty much unsolved
So I don't know what happens. I don't know what happened to her
We're gonna give our theories and we're gonna give our conspiracies help the end but um as far as I know
We don't know like I have no idea. I have tried to like figure out. I think a lot of people have don't know at all. So
So on January 26 2013, Alisa arrived in Los Angeles, California
She actually attended a live taping and I didn't know this before she tap
Uh, she actually attended a live taping of the talk show Conan O'Brien
But oddly didn't get to sit in for the entire show and have been
Excorted off of the lot because of her alleged disruptive behavior
I checked everywhere for more information on this and I got nothing
But that is just sort of the average answer that I got. So I thought that was kind of interesting. She had also
That day checked in to the infamous hotel at 640 south main street. We know to be
The Cecil Hotel
Bum bum bum
I might put that in there this time again
So
Alisa had been assigned a hostile style room, which is generally a shared room with
bunk beds and
This had kind of been on the fifth floor if I'm not mistaken
She did have the money for an individual hotel room
But I think she was just trying to be very cost efficient for her trip. So she couldn't cut herself short and
Spend so much like cash
Though not even long after settling in her roommates that she had called in complaints towards Alisa
They'd explained that Alisa would leave cryptic notes to them saying things like leave or go away
Or she also locked the door behind the girls and then she would refuse to let them in without a password
Which let's keep in mind. She's 21. I don't know
About
Those specific actions and how that kind of to me it kind of just reflects a lot of
Childish behavior
So it's just kind of weird that that goes the way it did now all around giving up behavior
Was understandably spooky for the girls and only two days later the hotel management had
Relocated sorry Alisa to her own private room
And I'll also just to clarify this is all according to the hotel staff
I never found solid evidence that this was coming from the roommates themselves. So we're just seeking this from the hotel
But nonetheless Alisa kept herself thereafter
Just continued living her best life trip doing trips after trip
To different areas. She still was at the sea so but she was just kind of like going to different places like speakeasies
And different shops and things like that just to check out
On January 31st five days after checking in
Alisa had been scheduled to check out but as far as the front desk knew
This guest never checked out or had been seen around the hotel
She just seemingly vanished without any trace literally not only did the hotel never
Have alisa check out but she never contacted her parents that day
And like I said, Alisa was very good about making sure she spoke to her parents every day
She had been on that trip and she made sure that you know, her parents were at ease about where she was
So that very moment they didn't get that text that day
Or that call they knew something was right was not right about this
Her parents immediately contacted the LAPD and forming them about Alisa
They're just frantically on the phone explaining our daughter is 21 years old from briskolombia
She had never been to america alone before she was supposed to you know call us
We never heard from her. She was supposed to have from los angeles to santa cruz and we are worried that something may be wrong
Just as quick as they called her family had already been looking to book flights to come to search for her alongside the LAPD
So they already had it to california at this point
Prior to her family's arrival cops did attempt to search the hotel, but couldn't make a full sweep without legal permits
so
That's kind of annoying because you're trying to find someone who's missing and the hotel is not letting you do that but okay
And they're just kind of confined from searching the areas of the hotel like the lobby hallways
The meeting halls things like that. So they had no luck to that
Now, I don't know if you all remember, but the ceso hotel has 700 rooms
so
Even if they really wanted to check every single room that's a lot of rooms to just you know
Grow on and check and make sure that you know, this one person is safe and
Not in harm's way
So the cops even brought police dogs to check the exterior of the building including the roof to see if they find anything
And they found nothing which considering how she was found is kind of bone-chilling that she didn't they didn't see anything at that time
But we'll get to that in a minute
Now I did watch a witness interview online given by a woman by the name of katie orphan
at the time katie had been working at a bookstore called the last bookstore which is kind of
ironic
Right next door to the ceso hotel
And katie had claimed that she had actually seen a lisa the day that she went missing
katie described to remembering a lisa coming into the store and being very overly
Outgoing sort of as if she was getting overly excited to be there
She says that she just aggressively just want answers and questions about the books and things around the store
She even referenced friends and families back home assuming that she'd be taking some of those souvenirs back home to give to her
her family as presents
So back over at the ceso
Police were not able to search every room in the hotel
But they were able to check the hotel room that she had been staying in
And everything was left in her room
They found a passport a wallet and her clothes. Now what they didn't find was her phone
Almost as if
Intended she was going to come back, but there was no sounds of foul play as they say so
So there is no foul play nor first entry nothing taken from the room
Now the room wasn't necessarily found in a clean and orderly fashion, but it wasn't ransacked either
So this kind of stumped investigators
Oftentimes if it was kind of a burglary it would show signs of you know, first entry things like that
And not even the search that the canons could do found a scent based on her clothes
But the investigators did find one piece of evidence and this piece of evidence
Still gives me anxiety to watch today after seeing it at least eight times
And what i'm referring to is the elevator footage
now
I'll try my best to describe the video in detail, but it's easy to it's easier at least to just google
Elisa lamb elevator video footage
um
I watched this last night as I was researching and
I had to turn on something a little more lighthearted. I think what did I turn on I turned on?
What the fuck did I turn on oh I turned on home alone too
I couldn't I couldn't it gives me it gives me chills
So on the phone elevator footage the cctv footage
Elisa is wearing a red jacket with those Palazzo capri licking pants. Did you ever have any of those?
When I was in like elementary school
Yes
I think this is an entry school thing third grade I feel like
They always drove me crazy seeing people walk around in them, but that's beside the point. I'm off the cuteness. That's for sure
So she's wearing this and she walks into the elevator pretty calm
She bends over to press the elevator button
She stands back
Like kind of backside of the elevator where she stands still for a good like four seconds
The door does not close
She quickly kind of peers out in the elevator and kind of looks both ways and then sticks her head back in the elevator
She then kind of pivots her body to one side of the elevator as if she's hiding from something
Then she moves closer to the elevator panel and hides in the corner
Then after she stands there for a good like minute or so
She then peeks her head back out of the elevator
Then gets out of the elevator shuffles herself around in this weird like
manic like
Robotic
Kind of acts or something
Then she moves to the side
Still outside of the elevator kind of where the camera can't see it and then she raises like her arm
It looks like and kind of like folds her arm over her as if she's kind of stressed or something
And then gets back into the elevator. She starts pressing every button on the elevator panel
Then she gets back off starts moving her hands and gestures that truly creeps me the fuck out
And
It's like as if she's like talking to somebody. I don't know. It's weird because if you're looking at the video
Do you remember the video specifically?
Yeah, I do it's very um like she seems kind of like
Frantic yeah, like she's frantic very it's very um
Just spooky I guess yeah actions are very
I don't want to say like robotic but definitely very like
Like not normal. Yeah, not normal. It's not it's not like
And like okay, there's conspiracies after like I said, we'll cover and we'll talk about that elevator
thing in a minute, but um
What really like is just
Eerie to me is that she is she looks super like she looks often like
Generally scared like she looks like someone is like following her or something
But like what's creepy to me is that like
There's no one there on the the camera footage. Yeah, at least there's nobody we can really see no one we can see
Yeah, I can't remember correct me if I'm wrong
Probably not you because I don't know if you'll know what I'm talking about but the people listening
I feel like I recently saw something maybe I'm making this up though
So where someone like noticed that you do see like a hand or like a
Like for like a split second
Yeah, maybe you can look that up. Yeah, let's look at um
I might be making that up though
But I feel like no you might be right because you know what I also heard and I didn't put this on my notes either
Is that people assume that there's footage missing of it? Yeah, I did also hear that too where you can like tell that it's been cut
That's so fucking creepy and we're gonna of course talk about that, but let's see. Hold on guys. Look this up. I'm looking it up
Alisa
Okay
Oh, they have this boy in 4k. Okay. Let's see
Okay, yeah, so she's getting on the elevator
So she's like bent over like I said
Yep, so she pushes the button she stands in the corner
And it's like she's just standing there for a bit like
Five minutes. Okay. So like she's going towards the elevator door. She like quickly looks both ways puts her head back in
Stands to the side again
Shuffles to the corner and then she's just standing there as if like something's
Watching her and then she's peeking her head out again
And I think this is when I think she's
Maybe that's the part it kind of looks like there's something over there kind of like in the corner
Yeah
Well, yeah, she's moving like weird shuffle motion and she's getting back on the elevator. She goes back out
She gets she goes outside of the camera's view as if she kind of knows the cameras there or something
And now this is the part where people think she might like it skipped
Because you can't see her on the film, but it's almost like she lags right here
But it's hard to tell
And it's just
Yeah, she's just standing there like I don't even know what's going on
And yeah, so like she's getting back on the elevator like she's stressed out
She pushes off the buttons on the panel
And you know what's creepy?
The elevator is not shut
The elevator door never closes
Like that alone just gives me goosebumps because I'm like
Like right away you would think that the elevator would do something like make some kind of like adjustment or whatever
It doesn't even touch
She goes back outside the elevator
And then this is when she like it's like talking to somebody like she's like she's like making like hand motions
And you can hopefully see her mouth moving
Yeah, we don't see her mouth moving either though. No, but you do. Oh you do. Oh wait, let me see
Go back
Oh, she is she's like it's like she's telling someone like
Like do this do that
Okay, so okay, that's happening and then
Yeah, and then she just walks off yikes
Oh my gosh, okay, yeah
So that all happens within like two minutes and 30 seconds
So that's like a two minute 30 second long video of her doing that
but the thing is like I said people
Have speculation that someone or somebody
May have tampered with the evidence of the cctv footage
So it's hard to know. I can't tell
If you guys have any like thoughts or anything like let us know because I want to know
I want I want to know what happened here because I can't I can't figure it out
I'm trying to look it up. Maybe I'm just making it up, but I can't know
I did try to look it up
The hand motions. I think you're right. I think you're honestly onto something there because uh, I feel like I've hurt something
Somewhere about that, but I'm not sure
I remember
But it's just so annoying because at this point everything's become a conspiracy around like this entire like
Um this entire case, so it's hard to know but I I do think I personally. Oh, well, we'll get to that in a minute
A surge just blew. Oh my god
Did you hear that explosion? Yeah, something just exploded. Oh my god. Our power just went out. Oh my god
I'm so creeped out now. We're talking about this and our power just went out
I'm so fucked up. But I mean we're still recording but
Oh my god, is everything okay out there?
Yeah, I don't know where the thing would be like what way the
Jace is crossed
Don't you just love and you're talking about spooky shit and your power just goes out
Okay, we're we're back. We still haven't we have no
We have no um such
We have no power power. I don't know what happened there. Um, apparently a transformer blue. Yeah, you could hear it from here
Yeah, it was loud as hell. Yeah, it was very loud. Oh my god. That was scary
Um, how funny that it's like now and I'm like why now?
It's cool. So we'll just continue the dark. It's all right. It's not like we don't do it already. Yeah, right
Sorry, I got about that. Okay. So where we left off
When the light went out
That was that was that was a good one. You had to admit that was a really good one
The light literally goes out
Um, so where we left off we're talking about the um elevator and all and we were really looking into that in everything
No matter how incriminating that video is unfortunately police had never figured out
Anything from that like nothing came up it
So we'll talk a little more about the conspiracies in a moment
So the morning of february 19th 2013
Approximately three weeks after Alisa Lam had gone missing
Guests at the Cecil hotel began sending a complaint after complaint about how low the water pressure is in the building
Many claim that the water had a weird taste to it and just didn't taste right
Others claimed that the water levels were just barely capable to bat bat even
And some referenced the room's water to be pitch black
So the concierge dials up the hotel maintenance worker santiago lopez
The only thing that he can think of to do is check the water tanks on the roof
But in order to do so he must first go into the highest level of the building
Design the alarm system scale the side of the fire escape to the roof of the building
Where he then climbed up more stairs to a 1000 gallon water tank
Which is sorry there are one out of four by the way on top of this building
Then open a heavy 20 pound latch to reveal the problem
And he did just that
But when he did do this he involved something very truly terrifying
What he saw in a deep dark water tank was
The decomposed and bloated body of Alisa Lam
Truly tragic so sad. I know
No, she was found naked with her clothes floating right beside her faced up with her watch and room key
Now her body was found covered in this weird sandy unidentified texture
Which I still don't understand what that was
And so the question is how the hell did this one
Small girl get to this roof and inside this closed water tank
Heavy heavy water tank and by the way it was based on the judge later on that had claimed that the
Um lever to open the water tank was 20 pounds
Again, if you've seen pictures of Alisa Lam, she's a small girl. So to think about how she can
herself
Unarm a whole alarm system that would the moment you open the alarm system would identify it would notify the downstairs
Conceers and then it would just make an alarm sound
So that would happen and then she would have to find climb that fire escape up to the very top
Which would
Already be noticed by somebody in my opinion if you see someone climbing a fire escape to the very top of the building
But maybe even if not
How does she un-latch this heavy ass?
Like latch it's just it's weird to me. So
Alisa staff was ruled accidental with by bipolar disorder being the attributing factor
So what I did not really share in the beginning is that Alisa was diagnosed with bipolar disorder prior to her west coast trip
And her and her family were sort of learning how to deal with this at the time
I didn't want to say this at the beginning. I feel like a lot of people do when they cover this story, but um, I feel like
I feel like when we're telling a story, I don't want someone's
Health to be a reason as to why something happens. I want you to just understand
What happened as is so that was just the reason for that
But according to sources, they are claiming that she had some sort of psychosis
She had um had a mental break and somehow ended up getting into the water tower. Now that was according to sources
It's possible, but certain people experiencing bipolar disorder may have hallucinations
Which after watching the elevator video footage, it's possible
But it's still a theory and I guess it's a theory that we can't ignore
So a full autopsy wasn't done actually because of how badly decomposed she was
Which I think we should keep in mind considering
What they do role her it's deaf being but
Taking as you will the reports did show that she died sometime around midnight
Some sources also say that she may have not have taken her
Entity to presence correctly. She was on entity present pills
And the autopsy showed as she was supposed to take two
She only taken one from what they found in her system. The other pill is a anti-psychotic
So according to WebMD, not taking one pill but taking the other can be very dangerous and call hallucinations
So it's again, it's possible. It's a thought maybe that's something that did happen
Seemed that there were no signs of foul play which is absurd considering she had been marinating in water for three weeks
She
If maybe she was raped or she was put into the water tank, we wouldn't know
Because the DNA would have been washed away way long ago
And think about it like like I said these people of the seesaw that were staying at the seesaw were drinking this water
I heard people were also calling that only because the water pressure was bad but because the water was also gray
Yes, yeah, I don't think you mentioned that but I briefly mentioned that was black, but oh, yeah, okay
It was um and it like tasted weird to yeah drawing a lot of attention
Yeah, it was uh weird because I had also read that there was a coffee shop
Um within the sea soil and I think when they were trying to make like, you know the coffee and such they had realized that it was a
Darky dark murky color. That's crazy for three weeks
For three weeks like I cannot imagine going to a hotel not knowing that
You were drinking the water of someone that was resting in a
Water tank for like weeks like
Weeks oh my god, I would never be able to drink fossil water again
Yeah, I would be like traumatized
I would be very traumatized. I can imagine what those people I'm oh, it's just it's so so gross
And then like like I said
It's hard to say that she was
deemed
I mean
dead by
no foul play because
Again, how would we know that because I don't know. It's just weird to me
I mean like I said DNA would have been washed away by water water does a lot of damage to a body
Oh, so makes it decomp a lot faster. Yeah, you're right. It does make it decomp a lot faster
So that's what I'm saying like if she was gone from the water
I'm saying like if she was gone for three weeks
How do we know that she wasn't murdered or how do we know that something wasn't put
To limits other than just her herself putting herself in danger. It's just so weird to me
And now her parents did file a wrongful death
On the stay on main which is the name of the host sea soul that changed her name back in 2011
Which I know I think people always believe that they changed her name because of this death
But they actually were already changed by 2011 this happened in 2013
So it was already set and done by the name change
But the suit had made a dismiss. Uh, sorry the suit had been dismissed because the judge shared that the
The what happened was kind of a unforeseeable tragedy
Being that where this was also
Happening to Lisa was an area that was off limits to the public and guests
So let's just get into the conspiracies here
So the number one conspiracy murder
Some people believe that the that the
Death of Alisa lamb may have been by an employee at the hotel
This
Could be very plausible only because of the footage if we think about the footage and all
She had been on this footage and then as people say it had skipped and so maybe the hotel
someone at the hotel maybe had
Had curtsy or had temper with the cctv footage and maybe it was
You know sees the sea soul tell protecting their own
Don't know
They would also know the alarm system and how to open it and all that
But the only thing with that one is it would be very difficult to carry
Oh girl up a fire escape. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good point and up the water tower. Yeah, so that's a that's a good question
like what happens with I mean, that's
You have a fires you have a alarm system. So why didn't that go off when she got up there? Like that doesn't make sense
one thing I can think of is maybe
Without alarm system wasn't
set. Yeah, like maybe it was malfunction. Maybe it was. Yeah, maybe it was malfunction that day, which is very still
weird to me, but that's a thought that is a good thought
Another one online students had called out a heavy metal musician
Names morbid as a prime suspect
Now morbid who tells his story in the episode of the crime scene the vanishing at the Cecil hotel series
which is
On site note on Netflix. You guys can watch it. It's really good
He explains that he was mistakenly linked to the crime after internet users realized that he had stayed in the hotel a whole year before
Lam's disappearance
so
Can it be him?
And I felt bad for that guy because I was watching that and this guy was brutally just, you know, thrown
Death threats left and right
about this case and I just felt so bad because this man wasn't even in the area at the time
But that was there and I just wanted to give that as a
As a statement to think about
But if Alisa was murdered it would be making more sense to me because
How this is laid out that
She actually texted on tumblr or on her tumblr feed that she had felt like she was being followed
He's leading up to her disappearance
And the hotel she went post
And at the hotel sorry, she would post that she felt eyes were on her
21st 7 which is very creepy considering the CCTV footage on the elevator
She definitely seems paranoid on it and
It's definitely a possibility. So that's something I'm strongly standing against
Personally because it would make sense
That's why I said guys you never know who is watching you
You could see that a lot of your friends might be watching you even on like instagram on your stories and stuff like that
But you never never know. I always look at the very bottom of my instagram stories
If you ever look at that there's a lot of random people that look at my stories. So
Take that as you all not only because I'm my podcasting but there's a lot of random people
So creepy enough
They actually never found her cell phone like I had said and her tumblr was still updating after she had been found dead
in the water tank
But also to be fair at the time and I'm not sure because I don't really use tumblr a lot but
Apparently there is a option on
tumblr that allows you to queue your posts
So
Maybe that's what that was but it is a little eerie that they never found her cell phone
She also was out of speak easy days prior or days leading up to her
Her her founding so there's a good possible. I guess exclamation maybe as to
Someone was using her phone, but that's also weird. Why would they use her tumblr and post stuff there? So I don't know
Especially like some things that has to
Like I don't know how to be like like like relates. Yeah relates to her. Yeah, so that would be really weird
But like I said, I'm still sticking with so far the fact that
Someone may have been following her because she did say that
And yes, she did have a lot of mental
Problems and things like that. But at the same time
I don't always think that that can be resolved as saying she did it herself. So we don't know
Yeah, you can't just rule. We can't just rule that. Yeah. Yeah
Um another one
Was that she was a victim of a snuff film and the la pd wanted her to cover the top
Now that is a really interesting one because it's plausible to
The la pd may have strongly
felt that
They needed to
Protect her own almost like the thought of the hotel doing it. So maybe she saw something. She wasn't supposed to
Maybe she had
Been
Silent to her
Quietly silenced at the hotel and they covered it up that way
I could see it. I wouldn't bet it pass them. I'm not saying the la pd
Did anything don't see us, but it's just a theory. This is just all of us things I found online
one other one is
A weird correlation between a movie. I don't know if you've heard of this um correlation before brie
But it's kind of weird and I kind of give you a weird synapsis on it. Actually, I'll let you read it
But I'll kind of quickly explain to you sources had made this correlation between a lisa staff in a
2002 japanese horror film cut talk water
So according to marie claire dark water was adapted into an american version starring jennifer connelly and
john c wrightly in 2005
In both films based on koji suzuki's short story floating water a mother and daughter named
Dalia and sissilia find dark water leaking from their bedroom ceiling
They soon discovered that the apartment above theirs has flooded and the family who used to live there disappeared under mysterious circumstances
Dalia eventually finds the body of the little girl who once lived in the apartment above and discovers she'd been abandoned by her parents
And drowned after accidentally falling into the building's water tower
Many have pointed out that the film's most basic plot points mimic that of elisa lam's death
With la pd being led to the roof of the ceso hotel after guests complained of black tinted or dark water coming from their taps
So that I mean that's a that's a weird correlation
Yeah, that is like really creepy really similar fairly similar and that again, that's the movie that came out
Um, the story itself came out in 2002 the movie that was an american version was in 2005. So there is a good chance
I don't know it's weird that that correlates so well
And that that happened the way it did. I don't even think
A chronicle story says she's even seen that movie or even knew that story existed. So that is really really weird
Um, just be a coincidence
It could be a bit coincidence. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of things that happen in movies that you know
Corrally a lot. Yeah. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah good point
um, and then one last um
weird little
I guess
Conspiracy is the elevator game
now, I don't know if you've ever heard of the elevator game apparently it is a um
um, origination from uh, korea and Japan
It's essentially just a step-by-step ritual that is believed by some to blur the lines of reality
and so some believe that
The reason for alisa is sitting so many of the buttons and such correlate with the game that this is played in korea and japan
and so, uh
Bri is was going to read just how the game played out and how the steps played out for uh, this game already so
the elevator game
um
So it looks like there's like a little preface
There are many steps to playing and surviving the elevator game and as we've been warned
It's imperative that you follow them precisely and in the exact order
In the game you will need at least one player and an elevator in a building with a minimum of 10 floors
Um, and here's how you play. So step one
Um, let's say you are the player you enter an elevator alone or with another player
No outsider can enter the elevator with you nor can you leave at any point if you do exit the elevator you must start over
Um step two then you ride the elevator from floor to floor in a specific sequence
Up to the fourth floor down to the second floor up to the sixth floor
Back down to the second floor up to the tenth floor and then down to the fifth floor
And you are not allowed to get off at any of the floors
Um, step three when you get to that fifth floor if you encounter mysterious women
Do not look at her and do not answer or interact with her in any way
The consequences of engaging with her are said to include the possibility of never returning to the real world
Step four push the button to descend from the fifth floor to the first floor
Here's where they say things could get crazy if the elevator operates normally and takes you to the first floor exit immediately
And do not look back or talk to anyone
But if instead of taking you from the fifth to the first floor the elevator begins to go up
Well, congratulations. You're being allowed into another world or so they say
Alternate alternatively you might resist the urge to freak out and instead simply press the emergency button
And wait for the fire department to arrive with help
And then it states
So now you know how to punch our ticket to this portal to another world
Elevator game believers say all sorts of things might happen at this point
Things might look different and might be dark and spooky and the power might be out and no one else will be around
Some players have even claimed that they look out the window and saw only a red cross in the distance
You might even lose consciousness
If you're like me though, probably the thing you'd like to hear in this situation is to know how to get home
Well, elevator game aficionados have an answer for how to return to
So this is just how like the steps to return safely from the other world
So the way home has several steps all of which players say you must follow exactly
Lest you get stuck in the other world. So step one
You must get on the same elevator you rode before
Finding it might be a problem, but um
They advise that you keep searching until you find it
Step two once you enter the elevator again move the floor from floor to floor in exactly the same sequence you did originally
four two six two ten five
Upon reaching the fifth floor press the button to the first floor
And then if the elevator starts to send the elevator
And then if the elevator starts to sending again quickly press the button for any other floor before you reach the tenth floor
Or as I've suggested before you can simply press the emergency button have a seat and wait for help to arrive
I hope you don't suffer from claustrophobia
No, so yeah that that
Is pretty much the game of the elevator game, which I'm not playing that game. So fuck that. No, thank you
No, I don't want to get stuck in a different realm
Who the hell ones get stuck in a different realm? I mean that definitely is like
It looks it looks really close to what that game is. So I'm not gonna lie like but like not really in a way because
Although she is like hitting those buttons the elevators clearly not moving and then she's like stuck
Yeah, I was gonna also say that
To me it looks like based on what the keys
Say like you're pressing she presses
Whatever buttons to begin with when she gets on the elevator
And then she's like frantically looking around and then she gets back on the elevator and then she's hiding
And then she gets back off of it gets on it to push all those buttons
It correlates well with the game only that the elevator doesn't move like brie said so
That kind of checks itself out. I mean do I believe that this game may be some
Um true ritual or whatever. I don't know can't say don't know what that exists, but it could be who knows who knows
um, but
I'll think I'll ultimately I just think that's just uh
just a really really creepy just
Game to play I don't know why anyone able to play that but if you guys want to play tell me how it goes if you get
Yeah, let us know if you get sent to another dimension
um
Give my wishes so
But yeah, um, so as of today, unfortunately, no one really really knows what
actually happened to alisa lamb as of course, I said it before
she was deemed um dead by accidental and
people believe that
It was due to her mental health
again
It's hard to believe that and it's still hard to believe that a small girl like the way her
was could do all of that if you see the water tank
It's a 20 20 pound heavy water tank
Lever like I said, she was floating up
In the tank so for her to get into the tank she would have to shut that tank door
So that's still like question mark to me because I'm like, how can she that one person get into the water tank?
Float her way up
Shut the water tank and then you know just be in there that and she would have also had a strip naked before she went in
Yeah, she would have to strip naked
Throw her close into the water tank
Get into the water tank shut the door behind her and then and then what like I don't know and she didn't seem to be suicidal
It just doesn't seem
Practical to me. She seemed like she like I said from the bookstore
She seemed like the lady had said she was looking to get her family like
knickknacks and stuff to take back home and she was like
Look excited to be going to other places and stuff. She was actually getting her like her stuff together
After figuring out a lot about this like mental health and her disorder that she had so
I don't know
And then she said that she felt like she was being followed and stuff. Yeah that part really just gets me because she said that actually
um, I don't think I mentioned this even
uh at the beginning but
Uh, right before she said that she started traveling. She said that she felt uh online presence because I think when she had an issue
She said it showing her like locations and stuff. I think that was when she was like, oh, shit
Like I shouldn't have showed my location and I think that's when I don't know. She turned it off or whatnot, but I do know it kind of
kind of
Creeped her out a little bit and so I think that was also a point to this too
Was that she felt this whole entire time that she was being followed
I can't say whether or not. Maybe it was part of the fact that you know
according to uh, the optopsy she had taken her um, her pills the way she was supposed to
So maybe she was I don't know. Maybe she was
Seeing things maybe she wasn't seeing things and she was really onto something
It's hard to know but I think it's just such a mysterious case because of the way that she
Was acting. Yeah, plus the fact that you know, she turns up dead
Yeah, plus the fact of like how would she have done that by herself
Plus the fact of like
How would someone have done it?
Like like let's say someone did kill her. How would they have carried her body up into
You know the water tank while also having her having her holstered over their shoulder. Yeah over their shoulder or something
um and like
I mean and let's say like they didn't kill her first like maybe they put her in there and she was still alive like
How would they have carried her up the fire escape and up the water tower which is huge. Yeah, that's true. There's a lot of steps
While she was alive, would she not be kicking screaming yelling you what yeah
Was she tranquilized? Did they find anything in her system? Like that's the weirdest thing
It's just something to me when I hear this case
Based on what I've shared with all of you
Something doesn't add up to me. Something's missing like something is a lot missing
There's a lot missing to this case that just doesn't make sense because I'm thinking about it too and I'm like
okay
Like bria said all these things don't add up like no matter how the way you look at it based on murder
Like if it was a murderer, how was it one person that did this?
It had to be at least one more than one person in that case and they just really
Track they clean their tracks up very well. The other thing is that if she did this herself
It would have been a struggle like why would you go through all of that?
Just to you know end up dead in a water tank that doesn't add up either to me
And it's just like no matter how the way you look at it whether it was suicide or whether it was accidental to me. It's like
This girl wasn't a very big girl. I can get past that like how could she do all this? How could she she's tiny?
She was tiny and how could she get past? You know that video was the last video they saw of her that that red
You know sweater had talked about in those pants that was the outfit they found in the water
So that was the night she was last seen
So it's just weird to me how
you know
All these things could have aligned the way they did and for the forensics and the you know
The scientists to say oh this was accidental
It just doesn't they just rolled it out too easily to me. I don't know. It's just so crazy to me and I just
I don't know. It's definitely a weird case. I've heard a lot of conspiracies involving the hotel and them trying to turn it up and
Maybe it was someone in the hotel and I think you know the manager was being sketched
I'll point to that and I honestly if it's not someone that was really following her
I honestly say maybe it was don't again. Don't sue us, but
Based on the evidence you never know. I mean it's closed now as of today
Um, I did check too is permanently permanently closed. They did change the name to the stay
On main and that was the name of it up until I closed it. Um, I think they're remodeling or but they're trying to
They're trying to remodel but they're not opening up to the public for like uh staying there anymore. They're keeping it as a
like a
Not a museum, but like uh, what's the word?
I'm attracted almost or
Yeah, like an attraction. Yeah, I think it's like being mostly turned into like just a monumental structure just to keep there
So they're not gonna tear it down or anything as far as I know
They're gonna keep it there and they are renovating but I think it's pretty much just becoming kind of almost like a museum
I feel like they wouldn't they shouldn't re renovate if they're
Planning leave it as is. Yeah, like if they're planning on like making money off of it to show people who are curious about like
Yeah, or what it looks like or you know people like us who are interested in its history. Yeah, whatever whatever I feel like
Revenivating is just like pointless. I think that's
These these how it looks. That's what I'm saying and I think it's more irritating to me because
I feel like it's been like
Over the years that they have kept re renovating. They see the hotel
Over and over and over again. So based on all these deaths that have happened
Even if you know, we wanted to figure out what happened
We couldn't because all this is being tore down and rebuilt over and over again
And that makes it very hard to be able to understand what's going on at the hotel
Because cases can still be solved years and years on the road. I've seen so many cases. I think I
Can't even pin point one. Oh the boy in the box. He just told me about that one. They identified who the boy was
Which is a gruesome case in itself
But that you know gave justice to the family of that child who had once passed away back in I think what it was at the 50s or 60s
so
DNA testing things like that can still be used. It's just about
How you proceed to use it and things that get cleaned up and stuff like that just make it so much harder. So
but I do hope that one day Alisa's lamb Alisa lamb story can be
Resolved in the right way or solved in the right way and we can
Finally get the clarity to know what happened to her because
At this point to me, I think there's just not enough evidence to really figure out what it is
And as of today it is a mystery. So
Wow, that's just insane that this even happens and being that we did cover this case
Me traveling puts me in a little bit of a weird space because
Just knowing that alone. It's kind of creepy and such but uh, it does make you want to be just more careful
Honestly, I think that's a real good reason to even share these stories
Obviously because you know anything can happen. Nothing is guaranteed
Fortunately and these kind of ages nothing is guaranteed. So
But there we go. That is the case of Alisa lamb
us
I like to us serious. I'm sorry. No mysterious
Yeah, that is a mysterious case of Alisa lamb
Um, let us know what you guys think about that. We are really just um
Interested in hearing what you guys have to say about this case
If you guys have any more information about it things like that, let us know we're always here to accept more information
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