WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.919 to keep a list of everybody who's asking for 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:04.940 these because I think I'm running behind. I forget. 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:12.060 No, no, no, it's fine. Alright, so again we're 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:15.500 talking about eschatology. Eschatology just refers 00:00:15.500 --> 00:00:18.420 to the end times and the study of the end times. 00:00:18.859 --> 00:00:22.059 We've gone through three of the four views so 00:00:22.059 --> 00:00:25.440 far and we're getting now to post -millennialism 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:29.370 and This is the one that you're probably least 00:00:29.370 --> 00:00:31.850 familiar with. So last week on millennialism, 00:00:31.969 --> 00:00:33.890 that was a new one for you. Now we get into post 00:00:33.890 --> 00:00:36.590 -millennialism. This one's new. And you've got 00:00:36.590 --> 00:00:39.090 your handouts there, so you can just start on 00:00:39.090 --> 00:00:41.149 slide three. Hopefully we'll get the slides up 00:00:41.149 --> 00:00:44.990 on the screen pretty soon, maybe. Technology, 00:00:45.090 --> 00:00:46.750 good thing you got them in front of you. All 00:00:46.750 --> 00:00:49.149 right, so post -millennialism, it holds that 00:00:49.149 --> 00:00:52.390 the kingdom of God is now being extended in the 00:00:52.390 --> 00:00:55.289 world through the preaching of the gospel. and 00:00:55.289 --> 00:00:58.729 the saving work of the Holy Spirit. Eventually, 00:00:59.390 --> 00:01:02.009 the world will be Christianized and the change 00:01:02.009 --> 00:01:04.409 character of individuals will be reflected in 00:01:04.409 --> 00:01:08.129 an uplifted social, economical, political, and 00:01:08.129 --> 00:01:11.409 cultural life of mankind. So when you think about 00:01:11.409 --> 00:01:13.069 post -millennialism, we've said this a number 00:01:13.069 --> 00:01:16.150 of times now, post -millennialism, they are the 00:01:16.150 --> 00:01:18.510 optimist, okay? Everything is hopeful, everything 00:01:18.510 --> 00:01:21.230 is optimistic, and they think the world is increasingly 00:01:21.230 --> 00:01:24.510 going to get better and better and better. But 00:01:24.510 --> 00:01:26.670 they don't believe that this means that every 00:01:26.670 --> 00:01:31.049 single individual will be saved. However, they 00:01:31.049 --> 00:01:35.329 would say that the majority of the world will 00:01:35.329 --> 00:01:38.469 become Christians. That the overwhelming majority 00:01:38.469 --> 00:01:41.069 of the world will become Christians. And it means 00:01:41.069 --> 00:01:43.629 that evil in all of its forms will be reduced 00:01:43.629 --> 00:01:46.730 to negligible proportions. And that Christian 00:01:46.730 --> 00:01:49.109 principles will be the rule. And that Christ 00:01:49.109 --> 00:01:53.750 will return to a truly Christianized world. Post 00:01:53.750 --> 00:01:55.409 -millennials believe that the Great Commission 00:01:55.409 --> 00:01:58.349 refers not just to the proclamation of the gospel, 00:01:58.510 --> 00:02:01.430 but an effectual change brought about through 00:02:01.430 --> 00:02:04.870 the preaching of the gospel. And so the preaching 00:02:04.870 --> 00:02:06.870 of the gospel will be effective in such a way 00:02:06.870 --> 00:02:09.250 that the hearts and lives of nations will be 00:02:09.250 --> 00:02:13.569 truly transformed by it. Now, one thing about 00:02:13.569 --> 00:02:16.169 post -millennials, so they're saying... Jesus 00:02:16.169 --> 00:02:17.889 has given us the great commission, go and make 00:02:17.889 --> 00:02:21.150 disciples of all nations, and we would all agree 00:02:21.150 --> 00:02:23.069 with that. Yes, we are to go. We are to make 00:02:23.069 --> 00:02:25.990 disciples of all nations. They would say that 00:02:25.990 --> 00:02:29.610 that command is not just about going to share 00:02:29.610 --> 00:02:32.550 the gospel, but it is about the promise that 00:02:32.550 --> 00:02:35.389 the nations will all actually become Christians, 00:02:35.689 --> 00:02:39.090 and that these nations will begin to rule under 00:02:39.090 --> 00:02:42.289 the law of God, and that they will be essentially 00:02:42.289 --> 00:02:45.860 Christian nations. In fact, I read one post -millennial, 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:49.199 you'll see it here on slide 9. They maintain 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.280 that Christ will not and cannot return to His 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.900 church and say, well done, good and faithful 00:02:54.900 --> 00:02:57.639 servant, until the task of global conversion. 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.560 has been accomplished. And so they believe that 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:03.479 this is Jesus' promise to His church. He's going 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:05.580 to return. He's going to say, well done, good 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:08.419 and faithful servant. And they say this cannot 00:03:08.419 --> 00:03:12.659 be done. He cannot return until the world is 00:03:12.659 --> 00:03:16.139 actually a Christian world. Only then will He 00:03:16.139 --> 00:03:18.139 return. So what do they believe? They believe 00:03:18.139 --> 00:03:21.840 that this present age will get continually better 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:25.240 throughout the years. until the vast majority 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.680 of the world has become converted to faith in 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.520 Christ. Once that has been accomplished, it then 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:37.400 merges slowly but surely into the Golden Age 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.699 of Christianity. This Golden Age of Christianity 00:03:40.699 --> 00:03:43.680 is what they refer to as the Millennium. So we 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:45.199 all have heard about the Millennium. We've been 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.259 talking about the Millennium for four weeks now, 00:03:47.419 --> 00:03:48.979 probably a little bit more than that, you know, 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.819 because we've been in Revelation for 18 years. 00:03:54.510 --> 00:03:55.870 but we've been talking about the Millennium. 00:03:56.050 --> 00:03:58.009 So their view of the Millennium is that it does 00:03:58.009 --> 00:04:00.710 not refer to a thousand year period in which 00:04:00.710 --> 00:04:04.389 Jesus will return on earth and rule here. And 00:04:04.389 --> 00:04:06.689 it doesn't refer to the all millennial view that 00:04:06.689 --> 00:04:09.349 it refers to the entire church age. They believe 00:04:09.349 --> 00:04:12.469 the millennium refers to the time in which the 00:04:12.469 --> 00:04:15.370 world has been fully converted to Christ. The 00:04:15.370 --> 00:04:17.850 nations are ruling under the law of God. It is 00:04:17.850 --> 00:04:21.050 the golden age of Christianity. And that period 00:04:21.050 --> 00:04:23.730 of time, that millennium doesn't necessarily 00:04:23.730 --> 00:04:26.629 have to be a literal thousand years. It's just 00:04:26.629 --> 00:04:30.029 a metaphorical long time. And then Jesus will 00:04:30.029 --> 00:04:33.850 eventually return. the golden age and millennium, 00:04:34.230 --> 00:04:37.850 it will end with Jesus' return. And so, post 00:04:37.850 --> 00:04:40.750 -millennials, they set forth this spiritual kingdom 00:04:40.750 --> 00:04:43.790 in the hearts of man. Now, something that we've 00:04:43.790 --> 00:04:45.930 been talking about, if you want just some more 00:04:45.930 --> 00:04:49.410 words to put to it, the main type of post -millennialism 00:04:49.410 --> 00:04:54.110 found today is theonomic, preterist, post -millennialism. 00:04:54.470 --> 00:04:56.050 All right, so everybody's gonna remember that? 00:04:56.470 --> 00:05:00.829 Yeah? No big words tonight, right? Theonomic, 00:05:00.850 --> 00:05:03.790 preterist, Post -millennialism, theonomy, it 00:05:03.790 --> 00:05:07.930 just refers to God's law and then so they would 00:05:07.930 --> 00:05:11.290 say this is where they believe that the nations 00:05:11.290 --> 00:05:14.649 will eventually rule under God's law because 00:05:14.649 --> 00:05:16.410 they will be Christian nations, the governments 00:05:16.410 --> 00:05:18.810 will be Christian governments and so theonomy 00:05:18.810 --> 00:05:21.689 is just ruling in accordance with God's law. 00:05:22.170 --> 00:05:25.370 Preterism comes from the Latin meaning gone by 00:05:25.370 --> 00:05:28.970 and so the post -millennial understanding of 00:05:28.970 --> 00:05:32.750 Revelation is that all of the events of Revelation 00:05:32.750 --> 00:05:36.870 have already taken place. All of the events of 00:05:36.870 --> 00:05:40.600 Revelation took place in the first century. They 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.000 believe that the Great Tribulation occurred during 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.680 the lives of those who heard Jesus speak about 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.060 the end times in Matthew 24. So in Matthew 24, 00:05:49.100 --> 00:05:51.800 Jesus talks about the Great Tribulation and he 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.620 says that that generation will experience that. 00:05:55.019 --> 00:05:58.120 And so they interpret that to mean that the Great 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.180 Tribulation has already taken place. It took 00:06:00.180 --> 00:06:03.600 place in the first century. They would say the 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.259 reason Revelation speaks of events to transpire 00:06:06.259 --> 00:06:09.060 soon is because those events were about to happen 00:06:09.209 --> 00:06:13.310 in the lives of John's readers. So they maintain 00:06:13.310 --> 00:06:16.670 that even the Antichrist was a first century 00:06:16.670 --> 00:06:18.930 phenomenon. So essentially all the events of 00:06:18.930 --> 00:06:22.069 Revelation in their perspective have already 00:06:22.069 --> 00:06:25.310 taken place. The only thing I think they would 00:06:25.310 --> 00:06:28.629 say that has not taken place would be the Golden 00:06:28.629 --> 00:06:33.149 Age of Christianity, the Millennium, the unbinding 00:06:33.149 --> 00:06:36.189 of Satan and the future rebellion, and then the 00:06:36.189 --> 00:06:39.199 return of Jesus and the future judgment. But 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.740 pretty much everything else in Revelation, so 00:06:42.740 --> 00:06:46.079 the first 19 chapters, they would say have already 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.819 taken place. They even say when Revelation speaks 00:06:49.819 --> 00:06:53.220 of a 42 -month period, it's referring to the 00:06:53.220 --> 00:06:56.819 42 -month long persecution under Nero, or the 00:06:56.819 --> 00:07:00.860 42 -month long Jewish war with Rome, or the destruction 00:07:00.860 --> 00:07:05.819 of the temple. Now, the hardest thing with post 00:07:05.819 --> 00:07:09.519 -millennialism is when you're reading post -millennialists 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.980 or a defense of post -millennialism, and I've 00:07:11.980 --> 00:07:16.160 read a lot of them, the hardest part is trying 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.660 to make the case using scripture. That is not 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:22.060 to say that their beliefs are unbiblical. That's 00:07:22.060 --> 00:07:25.139 not what I'm saying. But trying to prove their 00:07:25.139 --> 00:07:28.139 case with scripture seems to be difficult with 00:07:28.139 --> 00:07:31.759 them. I read one post -millennial yesterday. 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.029 There's a chapter in a book, this, famous scholar 00:07:35.029 --> 00:07:37.449 Lorraine Botner, he was writing this chapter 00:07:37.449 --> 00:07:40.209 on post -millennialism. A whole defense of it, 00:07:40.610 --> 00:07:43.230 and there was one reference to scripture in there. 00:07:43.709 --> 00:07:45.269 And so as I'm interacting with that, I'm like, 00:07:45.310 --> 00:07:48.189 this is really hard to critique or, you know, 00:07:48.509 --> 00:07:50.990 I want to make the best case for post -millennialism. 00:07:51.029 --> 00:07:53.170 That's what I'm doing here. I'm making the best 00:07:53.170 --> 00:07:55.750 case for each of these views. It's hard. to make 00:07:55.750 --> 00:07:58.529 the best case for something when someone's not 00:07:58.529 --> 00:08:01.069 making the best case for themselves. So I'm gonna 00:08:01.069 --> 00:08:03.589 try to help you understand where they get their 00:08:03.589 --> 00:08:06.629 beliefs. So some scriptural foundation for post 00:08:06.629 --> 00:08:10.350 -millennialism. A big one for them, Psalm 22, 00:08:10.470 --> 00:08:14.990 27. All the ends of the earth will remember and 00:08:14.990 --> 00:08:17.370 turn to the Lord and all the families of the 00:08:17.370 --> 00:08:21.350 nations will bow down before him. Now, something 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:23.250 you'll notice with a lot of these scriptures 00:08:23.250 --> 00:08:25.910 is that none of the other views would disagree 00:08:25.910 --> 00:08:29.810 with this. We all believe this scripture is true. 00:08:30.689 --> 00:08:33.450 Post -millennials would say that this takes place 00:08:33.450 --> 00:08:36.590 during this earthly life, during the church age, 00:08:36.970 --> 00:08:39.629 and so they would say that all of the families 00:08:39.629 --> 00:08:42.230 of the nations are gonna come down and bow down 00:08:42.230 --> 00:08:45.450 before Jesus now. They would not say this speaks 00:08:45.450 --> 00:08:48.269 of some future date where Jesus returns or even 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:50.529 towards the end. but this is something happening 00:08:50.529 --> 00:08:53.750 now. Another big one for them is Psalm chapter 00:08:53.750 --> 00:08:58.009 2. As for me, I have set my king on Zion, my 00:08:58.009 --> 00:09:00.990 holy hill. Ask of me, and I will make the nations 00:09:00.990 --> 00:09:04.110 your heritage, and the ends of the earth your 00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:07.730 possession. You shall break them with a rod of 00:09:07.730 --> 00:09:11.049 iron, dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 00:09:11.870 --> 00:09:14.870 Now therefore, O kings, be wise, be warned, O 00:09:14.870 --> 00:09:17.909 rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear. 00:09:18.110 --> 00:09:21.590 and rejoice with trembling kiss the sun lest 00:09:21.590 --> 00:09:25.149 he be angry and you perish in the way for his 00:09:25.149 --> 00:09:28.070 wrath is quickly kindled and blessed are all 00:09:28.070 --> 00:09:31.909 who take refuge in him so again post -millennials 00:09:31.909 --> 00:09:33.990 would argue that these verses do not predict 00:09:33.990 --> 00:09:37.389 a future reign of christ after his return but 00:09:37.389 --> 00:09:40.250 they speak of his present rule in such a way 00:09:40.250 --> 00:09:43.899 that the nations will be his heritage now Kings 00:09:43.899 --> 00:09:46.779 and rulers are told to serve God now because 00:09:46.779 --> 00:09:50.100 all nations are expected to submit to Jesus now 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:54.340 so that the entire earth will become Christianized. 00:09:54.940 --> 00:09:58.340 Another passage that I found in defense comes 00:09:58.340 --> 00:10:02.340 from Isaiah chapter 2 verses 2 through 4. This 00:10:02.340 --> 00:10:05.460 isn't in your handout, but you can just mark 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:08.240 it down to read later. But the verses say it 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.460 shall come to pass in the latter days. that the 00:10:11.460 --> 00:10:13.879 mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.399 at the highest of the mountains and shall be 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:21.399 lifted up above the hills and all nations shall 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.539 flow to it and many people shall come and say 00:10:24.539 --> 00:10:27.480 come let us go up to the mountain of the Lord 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.039 and to the house of the God of Jacob that he 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.019 may teach us his ways and that we may walk in 00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:36.440 his paths for out of Zion shall go the law in 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:39.019 the word of the Lord from Jerusalem He shall 00:10:39.019 --> 00:10:41.659 judge between the nations and shall decide disputes 00:10:41.659 --> 00:10:44.600 for many peoples, and they shall beat their swords 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.700 into plowshares and their spears into pruning 00:10:47.700 --> 00:10:50.159 hooks. Nations shall not lift up sword against 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.799 nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.379 So post -millennials would claim that when the 00:10:57.379 --> 00:11:01.259 Bible speaks of latter days, it's referring to 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:04.580 the church age, not end times, but to the church 00:11:04.580 --> 00:11:07.159 age, and since it refers to the latter days there, 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.259 they claim that now is the time when all nations 00:11:10.259 --> 00:11:13.899 are going to flow to the church to worship the 00:11:13.899 --> 00:11:16.700 Lord. They go on to say that you can clearly 00:11:16.700 --> 00:11:19.419 see the Christian influence that has come upon 00:11:19.419 --> 00:11:21.179 the nations because the nations are no longer 00:11:21.179 --> 00:11:23.080 warring with each other. They're putting down 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:25.179 their instruments of war, and they are having 00:11:25.179 --> 00:11:27.259 peace with each other, and it's because they 00:11:27.259 --> 00:11:30.960 are flowing to the throne of God to receive instruction 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.740 from him. They also point to the parables of 00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:38.320 Matthew chapter 13 as evidence for their view 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.019 and they claim that the parables of Matthew 13 00:11:41.019 --> 00:11:43.679 show that God's kingdom will grow to encompass 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.100 the whole earth during the church age. So do 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:48.899 you remember any of the particular parables from 00:11:48.899 --> 00:11:54.179 Matthew 13? Any of them stand out to you? That 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:59.440 sounds like my second born. Yeah, it's got the 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.740 four soils in there. It's also got the mustard 00:12:01.740 --> 00:12:04.980 seed, you know? You sow something small, but 00:12:04.980 --> 00:12:07.720 then it becomes this big plant, right? And then 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.779 you read about how something like the, what is 00:12:11.779 --> 00:12:13.879 it? The stuff you put in bread, I'm blanking. 00:12:14.250 --> 00:12:16.250 the yeast. Yeah, you put a little bit of yeast 00:12:16.250 --> 00:12:18.870 and then it rises and so they point to the parables 00:12:18.870 --> 00:12:21.470 and say, Jesus is teaching that you put something 00:12:21.470 --> 00:12:23.389 smaller, here's something that starts small, 00:12:23.750 --> 00:12:26.169 but it grows to encompass the whole world. And 00:12:26.169 --> 00:12:28.870 they say that's clear evidence that though the 00:12:28.870 --> 00:12:31.750 church starts small, the church will eventually 00:12:31.750 --> 00:12:35.370 encompass the whole world and nations will turn 00:12:35.370 --> 00:12:38.389 over to Christ. They would say their strongest 00:12:38.389 --> 00:12:43.500 case comes from 1 Corinthians chapter 15. 1 Corinthians 00:12:43.500 --> 00:12:50.320 chapter 15 says, for he must reign until he has 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.019 put all enemies under his feet. When all things 00:12:54.019 --> 00:12:57.960 are subjected to him, then the son himself will 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.700 also be subjected to him who put all things in 00:13:00.700 --> 00:13:04.899 subjection under him that God may be all in all. 00:13:05.230 --> 00:13:07.909 Post -millennials argue that these verses clearly 00:13:07.909 --> 00:13:11.450 show that Jesus' rule must extend to all nations 00:13:11.450 --> 00:13:14.269 in such a way that the entire earth is brought 00:13:14.269 --> 00:13:17.450 into subjection to Him. And once this universal 00:13:17.450 --> 00:13:21.169 rule is achieved, then the end will come. So 00:13:21.169 --> 00:13:24.309 that main verse that they really like to put 00:13:24.309 --> 00:13:29.429 forward is, He must rule until He has put all 00:13:29.429 --> 00:13:32.169 enemies under His feet. They would say, Jesus 00:13:32.169 --> 00:13:35.009 is ruling and reigning now, and His rule must 00:13:35.009 --> 00:13:38.289 extend in all of the nations until everything 00:13:38.289 --> 00:13:41.590 is in subjection to Him. Now again, it is important 00:13:41.590 --> 00:13:43.809 to note that I don't think you're going to find 00:13:43.809 --> 00:13:46.929 anyone who disagrees with this verse. Whether 00:13:46.929 --> 00:13:48.710 you're a dispensationalist, whether you're a 00:13:48.710 --> 00:13:50.490 historic premill, whether you're an all -mill, 00:13:50.990 --> 00:13:54.029 every single person that I know of who's a Christian 00:13:54.029 --> 00:13:57.870 would say that Jesus is ruling and reigning now. 00:13:58.649 --> 00:14:02.269 Does anyone in here disagree with that? No? Yeah, 00:14:02.370 --> 00:14:04.950 everybody agree with that, yeah? Okay, let's 00:14:04.950 --> 00:14:06.549 just make sure we're all on the same page. Jesus 00:14:06.549 --> 00:14:09.549 is seated at the right hand of God. He is ruling 00:14:09.549 --> 00:14:11.549 from on high. We're all in agreement there, right? 00:14:11.590 --> 00:14:14.450 Jesus is ruling and reigning now. So no one disagrees 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:17.169 with that, but they would say he has to rule 00:14:17.169 --> 00:14:19.809 until everything's in subjection to him. Therefore, 00:14:20.029 --> 00:14:22.490 the whole earth, the whole world must be in subjection 00:14:22.490 --> 00:14:24.950 to him. And that means that the whole world is 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:27.149 gonna become Christian. Not every individual, 00:14:27.570 --> 00:14:30.659 but the majority of individuals. So when they 00:14:30.659 --> 00:14:34.139 look at Revelation chapter 20, they agree with 00:14:34.139 --> 00:14:35.919 the all -millennials that the thousand years 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.700 is metaphorical and symbolic. However, they believe 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:42.139 the millennium begins after the majority of the 00:14:42.139 --> 00:14:45.879 world is converted to faith in Christ. Post -millennials 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.320 agree with all -millennials that verses one through 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.620 three refer to the spiritual binding of Satan 00:14:51.620 --> 00:14:54.639 that takes away his ability to deceive the nations, 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.440 and it ensures that the gospel can go forward 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:01.429 with success. Post -millennials offer a unique 00:15:01.429 --> 00:15:03.789 interpretation of verses four through six, though. 00:15:04.330 --> 00:15:08.309 So if you remember verses four through six, dispensationalists, 00:15:08.309 --> 00:15:10.470 they said it refers to two or three different 00:15:10.470 --> 00:15:13.870 resurrections. You have the resurrection of New 00:15:13.870 --> 00:15:16.090 Testament Christian believers, you have the resurrection 00:15:16.090 --> 00:15:17.909 of Old Testament saints, you have the resurrection 00:15:17.909 --> 00:15:21.070 of unbelievers. Historic free mills said that 00:15:21.070 --> 00:15:23.669 this refers to the resurrection of all Christians 00:15:23.669 --> 00:15:27.789 and then all non -Christians. and the all -millennials 00:15:27.789 --> 00:15:31.090 said that the first resurrection referred to 00:15:31.090 --> 00:15:34.909 those who have died but now are living with Jesus 00:15:34.909 --> 00:15:36.830 in heaven. They have died but they have come 00:15:36.830 --> 00:15:38.690 to life and they are ruling and reigning with 00:15:38.690 --> 00:15:41.610 him in heaven. Post -millennials, on the other 00:15:41.610 --> 00:15:44.409 hand, they believe that this first resurrection 00:15:44.409 --> 00:15:48.269 refers to being born again. So we were spiritually 00:15:48.269 --> 00:15:51.710 dead, but we have been made alive in Christ. 00:15:51.750 --> 00:15:54.649 And so they say that that's what the first resurrection 00:15:54.909 --> 00:15:57.309 It refers to, so therefore they believe that 00:15:57.309 --> 00:16:00.470 everyone who is a Christian is currently taking 00:16:00.470 --> 00:16:04.529 place in the rule and reign of Christ. Verse 00:16:04.529 --> 00:16:07.009 5 refers to all the spiritually dead people who 00:16:07.009 --> 00:16:10.029 will not be raised until the last day. Verses 00:16:10.029 --> 00:16:12.429 7 through 10 refers to the releasing of Satan 00:16:12.429 --> 00:16:15.710 and his rebellion against Christ as well as Christ's 00:16:15.710 --> 00:16:19.210 victory over the rebellion. And then comes the 00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:22.769 end when Jesus will escort all people to judgment. 00:16:23.179 --> 00:16:25.519 And so if you just look at some key points of 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.139 post -millennialism, they are hopeful, they're 00:16:28.139 --> 00:16:30.580 optimistic, they believe that the world is increasingly 00:16:30.580 --> 00:16:33.620 getting better. The vast majority of the world 00:16:33.620 --> 00:16:36.600 will be converted to faith in Christ. This leads 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:39.600 to the golden age of Christianity, which is the 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.919 millennium in their view. During the millennium, 00:16:43.059 --> 00:16:44.940 the world will be Christianized, nations and 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:47.480 governments will be under the law of God. They 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.379 believe the millennium is not really a literal 00:16:49.379 --> 00:16:52.220 thousand years. First resurrection refers to 00:16:52.220 --> 00:16:54.740 being born again. Towards the end of the millennium, 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:56.820 Satan will be unbound and will lead a rebellion. 00:16:57.460 --> 00:17:00.500 Jesus returns to defeat that rebellion and then 00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:04.119 comes the end when Jesus escorts all people to 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.019 the throne of God for judgment. So we had to 00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:11.059 rush kind of through that to get it done, but 00:17:11.059 --> 00:17:14.319 now that we are done with the four views, what 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.920 are your questions on eschatology? Do you want 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:19.240 me to try to clarify anything for you? Do you 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.519 have any points that you would like me to address, 00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:26.799 anything like that? There have been some questions 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.220 about where I stand on eschatology. You're welcome 00:17:29.220 --> 00:17:35.880 to ask that at this time if you would like. Go 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:44.240 ahead, Kaylee. Yeah, that's a good question. 00:17:44.420 --> 00:17:46.160 So anybody watching online, the question is, 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.279 do Post Mills interpret some things literally 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.420 and some things symbolically? I think that applies 00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:54.880 to every eschatological view, not just Post Millennials. 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.900 I was having this conversation with my buddy 00:17:56.900 --> 00:17:58.900 Brad. Again, if you're watching, I love you, 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.359 but we pick on each other. We got into a debate 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.500 about this earlier today on the phone. So he's 00:18:04.500 --> 00:18:06.920 a dispensationalist. Dispensationalists say they're 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.099 literalists. They interpret everything literally. 00:18:09.690 --> 00:18:12.869 But they don't, because the 70 weeks have to 00:18:12.869 --> 00:18:15.910 be interpreted symbolically. A week is not actually 00:18:15.910 --> 00:18:19.609 one week, it's a period of seven years. So we 00:18:19.609 --> 00:18:22.549 need to extend some grace and understand that 00:18:22.549 --> 00:18:25.309 everybody interprets some things literally and 00:18:25.309 --> 00:18:27.329 everybody interprets some things symbolically. 00:18:27.809 --> 00:18:29.450 Dispensationalists, again, they say they're literalists, 00:18:29.470 --> 00:18:31.170 but then you look at the seven churches and they 00:18:31.170 --> 00:18:34.789 would say, well, it's not just that they're addressing... 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.119 these seven churches in Revelation, but these 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:39.619 seven churches actually symbolically represent 00:18:39.619 --> 00:18:42.500 different ages throughout church history. So 00:18:42.500 --> 00:18:44.819 yes, they interpret some things literally, some 00:18:44.819 --> 00:18:47.559 things symbolically. Same thing with all mills, 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.960 historic pre mills, post mills, everybody is 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.720 the same on that. So good question. Anybody else? 00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:56.599 Points on eschatology that you would like clarified? 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:02.140 Anything that's confusing? Anything like that? 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:27.980 Caroline. Yep Yeah, it depends on like your branch 00:19:27.980 --> 00:19:32.500 of Numerology, I don't know that that's is that 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:34.140 the right word for it. I don't think it is I 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:38.380 think there's something else Yeah So there's 00:19:38.380 --> 00:19:41.380 a question about numerology and if that's helpful 00:19:41.380 --> 00:19:43.960 to use in the Bible, if that contributes to eschatological 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:46.799 views. Basically it's when you look kind of too 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.519 deeply into numbers or make bigger deal out of 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:55.079 numbers than they are. I've seen people... anytime 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.480 there's any sort of event happening in the world, 00:19:57.599 --> 00:19:59.700 there's gonna be an eclipse. And they're like, 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.559 the eclipse is happening on seven 13. And if 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:04.619 you look in the Bible at Matthew chapter seven, 00:20:04.779 --> 00:20:07.740 verse 13, and so they like really read into that 00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:10.259 kind of stuff. And the thing is every verse number 00:20:10.259 --> 00:20:12.650 and chapter number. it's not in the original 00:20:12.650 --> 00:20:15.710 text. Like I've seen our manuscripts, there's 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:18.029 no numbers there. So that was added. So you can't 00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:19.430 just say, well, look at chapter seven, verse 00:20:19.430 --> 00:20:22.470 13, because that was added by man to be helpful. 00:20:23.430 --> 00:20:25.049 So it depends on how you're using it, right? 00:20:25.089 --> 00:20:26.730 So if you're using it like that to say, hey, 00:20:26.849 --> 00:20:29.109 this event corresponds with a chapter and verse 00:20:29.109 --> 00:20:31.369 number, I don't think that's helpful. If you 00:20:31.369 --> 00:20:34.349 are reading things into scripture, that's not 00:20:34.349 --> 00:20:36.289 helpful. But if you're looking at numbers and 00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:38.779 trying to ask, the question, what's the best 00:20:38.779 --> 00:20:41.059 way to understand what's being communicated by 00:20:41.059 --> 00:20:43.440 this number? Then I think that's helpful. So 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.460 when you have the 70 weeks, you have to deal 00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:47.559 with that, right? So you can either interpret 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:50.460 it as 70 literal weeks. You can interpret it 00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:53.460 as seven periods of time or 70 periods of time. 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.019 You can interpret it as every week is seven weeks. 00:20:56.740 --> 00:20:58.579 When you get into revelation and you look at 00:20:58.579 --> 00:21:01.599 numbers like 144 ,000, it could be a literal 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.619 144 ,000, or it could be 12 times 12 times a 00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:07.819 thousand. 12 tribes of Israel, 12 disciples of 00:21:07.819 --> 00:21:10.980 Jesus, number of completion. So it depends on 00:21:10.980 --> 00:21:13.259 how you're trying to use the numbers and I think 00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:15.559 there's a helpful way and I think people can 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.980 always press it too far. I don't know if that's 00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:22.740 a good answer. Okay, I have a way of talking 00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:25.460 a lot about a lot of different things and maybe 00:21:25.460 --> 00:21:27.119 there's something in there you can take away. 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:49.369 Anybody else? Yeah Doug. Yeah Yeah, I mean there 00:21:49.369 --> 00:21:52.809 are a lot of instances in the Bible where a period 00:21:52.809 --> 00:21:55.769 of time is is different for us than it is for 00:21:55.769 --> 00:21:59.549 God and so It could be a literal thousand years 00:21:59.549 --> 00:22:01.869 and it's good. It could literally be Jesus gonna 00:22:01.869 --> 00:22:03.509 return He's gonna set up a kingdom here on earth. 00:22:03.529 --> 00:22:06.099 It's gonna be a literal 1 ,000 years Or it could 00:22:06.099 --> 00:22:08.480 be metaphorical and symbolic, because Revelation 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.819 is a very symbolic book. And so it's just one 00:22:12.819 --> 00:22:15.460 of those things where you can't say with certainty 00:22:15.460 --> 00:22:18.019 it's definitely going to be this. Because you 00:22:18.019 --> 00:22:21.559 can straw man any position, right? So I've seen 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:23.880 people who are not dispensationalists or not 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.900 historic premails say, well, this is the only 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:30.059 place in all of scripture that ever refers to 00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:33.980 a 1 ,000 year period on earth. And they act like 00:22:33.980 --> 00:22:36.559 that's just an absolutely dismantling argument. 00:22:36.940 --> 00:22:39.799 But here's the thing, the Bible only has to say 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.599 something once for it to be true. So Jesus only 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:45.140 once said, I'm the way, the truth and the life. 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:46.519 We would never go, well, that's the only place 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:49.339 where he said that. So obviously there has to 00:22:49.339 --> 00:22:52.519 be, so that's not a good argument. but also there 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.359 is something to be said for the fact that this 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.200 is the only place and so we have to wrestle with 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.720 these issues. So my whole point in bringing this 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.200 to you is to say we don't need to be quick to 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.500 dismiss all these other views and just say like 00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:06.660 oh they're not taking scripture seriously or 00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:08.559 they're just going with the times or this or 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:11.720 that. people are basing their views on scripture. 00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:13.920 They just come to it with a different approach 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.339 for interpretation than we do, and we need to 00:23:16.339 --> 00:23:18.380 be respectful of other Christians who disagree 00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:22.279 with us, especially on issues of eschatology, 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.220 okay? So, again, that's not something to get 00:23:26.220 --> 00:23:28.059 worked up about. If you want to disagree with 00:23:28.059 --> 00:23:30.579 me on that, that's fine. We can still be friends. 00:23:31.820 --> 00:23:33.940 If you want to disagree with me on Jesus, we're 00:23:33.940 --> 00:23:35.799 going to have a serious conversation about that 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:38.619 and talk about it, but this is not something 00:23:38.619 --> 00:23:42.240 to get up in arms about. Any other questions, 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.519 eschatology? Anything you want to know that I 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.700 can try to answer? I don't have all the answers, 00:23:46.759 --> 00:24:54.720 by the way. I've just read a lot. Yeah. Yeah 00:24:54.720 --> 00:25:08.920 Yeah, yeah, I'm not the type of person the only 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.099 time I will engage in an eschatological conversation 00:25:12.099 --> 00:25:14.960 is if you're going to straw man my position then 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:17.059 we're gonna we're gonna open the Bible and we're 00:25:17.059 --> 00:25:18.920 gonna I'm gonna make the case for why I believe 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:21.720 what I believe But I will never start a debate 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.900 and be like I can't believe you hold to this 00:25:23.900 --> 00:25:26.859 It's like I've got better things to do with my 00:25:26.859 --> 00:25:31.279 time than that my buddy today The reason we got 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:32.900 into that conversation is because he was trying 00:25:32.900 --> 00:25:35.279 to straw man my position and I was like, okay 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:36.880 Well now I've got to open scripture and you're 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.240 gonna be on the phone with me for the next hour 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.430 So you started this just understand that But 00:25:42.430 --> 00:25:44.390 there have been questions about where I stand 00:25:44.390 --> 00:25:47.569 on eschatology. Here's what I'll say. I have 00:25:47.569 --> 00:25:50.829 gone back between two positions, at least early 00:25:50.829 --> 00:25:53.569 on in my faith. I would go back and forth between 00:25:53.569 --> 00:25:56.750 historic pre -millennialism and all -millennialism. 00:25:57.130 --> 00:25:58.950 I've never been a dispensationalist. I've never 00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:01.529 been a post -mill, maybe one day. Who knows? 00:26:02.069 --> 00:26:04.390 We'll see. But I've gone back and forth on those, 00:26:04.430 --> 00:26:06.470 but I've been an all -millennial probably for 00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:09.250 the past five years pretty consistently. And 00:26:09.250 --> 00:26:11.950 that's my view. That's how I understand revelation. 00:26:12.109 --> 00:26:14.049 I can defend that with scripture. I'd be happy 00:26:14.049 --> 00:26:16.170 to back it up. I think I made the case for all 00:26:16.170 --> 00:26:18.809 millennialism last week when I told on it. But 00:26:18.809 --> 00:26:22.210 that is not to say that I have to be right. I 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:24.109 could be wrong and someone else could be right. 00:26:24.190 --> 00:26:26.250 But this is something that we can disagree on. 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.009 So that's where I stand on eschatology. Hope 00:26:29.009 --> 00:26:30.650 we can all still be friends after this. Yeah, 00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:33.990 we're good. Sure. No, Caroline says no. We're 00:26:33.990 --> 00:26:37.150 never talking again. All right. Anything else 00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:44.619 you want to say before we close? That's right. 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:49.079 I agree. Yeah, so This is again where I come 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.960 back to this and say There are people who are 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.160 smarter than me on every side of this and they 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.299 hold to every position There are doctors who 00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:01.680 were Dispensationless there are doctors who were 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.539 post mill and on mill and historic pre mill It's 00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:08.720 it's foolish to try to say that we think we've 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.960 got it all figured out Have your view be able 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.720 to defend it with scripture, but at the end of 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:20.150 the day Show grace. Michael, as always, you get 00:27:20.150 --> 00:27:20.789 the word of wisdom.