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What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Talking with the Source podcast.
Just myself today, AJ has been called into work early, so I'm doing today's show with a great show, a fantastic show, a great, great friend of ours.
You'll know whenever she comes on, but we always go on and show her support on hers, and we've got her on ours today.
But just before I do, I want to mention the Global Ghost Hunt. The May one has just finished. It was a fantastic success.
It's back again in October, and it'll be May and October every year. So go to www.globalghosthunt.com, sign your team up.
It's going to be fantastic, absolutely fantastic. But without further ado, I want to bring on our guest for today.
We have Laura Lee Potvin from the Angel Rock and the thing at the end of the bed, at the foot of the bed.
I say the same thing. It's such a long title. That's why. That's why. Thanks for having me.
Not a problem. Anytime. And like I say, you will be on again whenever AJ is here.
And then obviously we'll bring you on a third time when you and David can come on as well so that we can showcase everybody.
I'm going to have you on because you always support my shows. You are always there. You guys, I see somebody.
Twice a week, every week.
Well, no, but there's a regular here, Sandra Sharp. I already said hi to her. Hi, Charles Rudd.
And but people don't know, I always say it's Robin, but you come up as Hafrin Paranormal.
So this is him in the class here, everybody.
It's all right. It's just the way it is. I, I, I named my Facebook as that for the paranormal.
And then it just everybody knows me as Hafrin Paranormal, but it's all right. It's Robin.
So I got a little bit, I could change it a bit, but hey.
So what's going on with you then lately? What's been happening on your end?
Well, maybe what I'll do for people that haven't seen me before, I'll tell them a little bit about myself and the network I'm on.
So I am Laura Lee Potvin. I'm a Canadian clairvoyant medium, crystal Reiki energy healer, a cacic records practitioner, a spiritual teacher and mentor.
And you may see my grandpuppy because he's a little monkey and he's decided to chase a cat. And I'm also a registered nurse.
And I have been on UFO Paranormal Radio Network, also known as United Public Radio Network or very easily UPRN for four years coming up next month with the Angel Rock.
And the Angel Rock has actually been around for a long time. I was on a previous network and I used to do a show Monday through Friday.
And I recently started a second show with a very good friend of mine. I always did do two shows on UPRN.
The previous one, Love My Co-host, she had some personal things coming up and the show was sort of put on the back burner.
So the thing at the foot of the bat is new. On the Angel Rock on Monday nights, which is 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time,
I say I have guests from all walks of life and whatever they're doing professionally or personally, they're making a positive change for humanity.
And they cover all aspects of the esoteric, the spiritual and a little bit of true seeking thrown in there.
Then with the thing at the foot of the bat, David Hansel, my co-host and amazing medium. We both have had near death experiences.
I've also studied them professionally and personally for over 40 years. And I believe I've had one as a toddler.
So he has a very big TikTok following and he does three minute videos where people ask questions that we always get as psychic mediums and such.
So we talked about that because I get the same. So that's what we do. We start with a topic on Thursday nights.
That'd be something kind of spooky or, you know, what happens when you die? Why do we have ghosts?
We let you know we're not experts, but we're sharing with you from our own personal experiences and what we believe we get from spirit.
And then you, the audience, we love to have you part of the audience because you direct where the conversation goes. So it's a lot of fun.
And that's on from seven to nine p.m. Eastern Standard Time every Thursday as well.
Yeah, Mondays and Thursdays are always booked for me because I know that I'm watching the Angel Rock.
I'm glad you're there too. Sandra said my sister's face is the first time, Robin, because she's always known you as half-run paranormal.
See, sometimes though, like when was it?
Lately, what they're doing around where I live here is they're putting, it's like being back in the 50s, they're putting food fiber in.
Now, we've had it for a while now, but because they're constantly digging in the road, put more wires and stuff down and things like that,
our Internet goes in and out a lot and it will do for another few weeks.
And then once they finish around here, then it should be fine. So sometimes you'll see me and I'll be on the whole show comment.
And then other times you'll see like a comment from me and then half an hour later you'll see another comment because I've had to go and reset things and stuff.
I have three devices ready. I have had my show go black right in the middle, like no reason, whatever.
So I am ready and back on air in two seconds. I was going to add, I will be having Robin on with AJ.
AJ has been on the Angel Rock before, but you know what I forgot to mention, what was so important, especially with the show, I'm very well versed in the paranormal.
I lived in an extremely haunted house before this. I'm in a townhouse now that I rent.
And we shared our story on the Travel Channel's Paranormal Survivor, season four, episode nine, Demonic Hauntings.
And I'm also writing a book about the experience. It's quite the story.
Hey, Zach, man, he's another one of the regulars. Now you know what Robin looks like.
So what I was going to say to you, what I was going to ask you was, I know you've sort of touched on it, but the first initial question we ask everybody, get the boring question out of the way, is how did you get into the paranormal?
It's one of those questions that, you know, everybody has their own story. A lot of the time it seems to be, you know, from a young age.
Now, obviously with me, I was trying to think. I must have been in my early thirties when I really, really get into it.
But a lot of people always seem to have it from childhood. I know that I seen one when I was a kid.
It was a lady that got the street from us, an old lady, and she passed away. And her husband, he was old and he carried on working.
He was a security man. And every night at the same time, he'd get dropped off at our end of the street and he'd walk up the street to the house.
And we used to see him every night. And there was one night we were out kicking football about and we knew the time that he always came home.
Sorry, I'm laughing at the fact.
Yeah, I like the T-shirt. One night before, just before he came home, his wife had passed about three or four months prior.
Now, she must have been in her eighties. And I was walking past her house and I happened to glance up to the top window and she was looking out the window at me.
Now, you know, it's like when we were kids, you know, if you go into your home and dad and say, I've just seen a ghost or like, get out.
You don't get, you don't talk about that. No, you don't. That's just silly nonsense. You know what I mean?
So, but that was my first first time, but I don't really count that because although I know I seen it, I wasn't believed.
Whereas when I see my first one in my early thirties, it was like everybody straight away was like, wow, you know, tell us about it.
But, you know, and you get your belief. So go ahead. Yours.
Okay, so going back to memory, I need to be fifty eight. No, I guess. So my earliest memory, we lived in this old, old house. You guys heard me tell this story in the interrock before.
But for your listeners, it was so old. This would have been about nineteen sixty nine. I remember my parents were redoing, you know, remodeling as people do.
And my mom steamed off, I believe it was thirty nine layers of wallpaper to get to the plaster walls that they could paint. And my bedroom, it was this old rickety bedroom upstairs, obviously.
But they had hardwood floors. You had to wear slippers. Otherwise, I remember all this. You would have got slippers in your feet and it was dark at night.
And I always hated thunderstorms and it was a really bad one going on. Everybody was in bed. I don't know what time that was. And I could hear back in the late 60s, early 70s, they had kind of this gauzy kind of lacy curtains.
So you could see what was going on kind of through the curtains. And it sounded like a tree was tapping on the window.
And I kind of peeked out from you guys like seriously about three animals here. I'm sorry. My cat is here. My dog. I apologize. Everybody wants to be here as I'm telling this story.
So anyways, I heard this happening on the window and I look up and I thought it was just a tree and it looked like a claw.
And it was like scraping the window. I'm getting goosebumps. It's not cold as I'm telling you.
So I head under my covers. I remember going, please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. And something grabbed me like grab me on my upper back where your waist would go.
I've never forgotten that. So I don't know. That's the first paranormal experience I can remember.
But I know I probably more than likely I don't speak with my parents. But as the story goes, had a fever of 100 and almost six as most a three year old and kept seizure.
And the last time from the hospital, believe my parents and I was in the back room for very long and stayed in the hospital for a couple of weeks. I think I had in near death then.
Then when I was eight, I've never been able to find out what happened with this, but we moved into a new home. It was built from the ground up. It was a new development.
And from the time the snow melted until it fell again, every single morning at three a.m. I woke up unable to breathe. I completely blew like passing right out like my parents would be up with me.
There was I think I don't know if you what number you guys dial is it 111 over in Europe for like we do 911. Yeah, there was nothing like that.
So, you know, my dad would shoot me up, throw me in the back of the car as he'd start driving to the hospital. I would come to they never found out what caused that they diagnosed me with asthma for lack of another thing.
But being a nurse, I can tell you it was not an asthma attack. So I've always had very strange, unusual things, even as a nurse, really incredibly unexplainable things, intuitive things.
I would pick up like just crazy stuff like one woman was about to head home on a bus three hours away. She'd been in the hospital for stomach pain. They couldn't find out what was wrong.
And I just knew I don't know why I knew I would have 60 patients on nights or be two of us right. We had a really big floor at the time. I was a new grad.
And I kept spending a lot of time with her because I just something didn't seem right. And then all of a sudden, and I won't get too much TMI had I not been in the room, she would have died.
She literally exploded with blood. She had an aneurysm. That's what was causing the pain and they never picked it up. Thank God she hadn't been on the bus. She lived through it like had many strange things like that happen.
But I always say it was never looking for the paranormal. It found us when I really had the crazy stuff star. My previous home. It was insane. The stuff that happened and it all started with a dream that I remember like it happened 10 minutes ago.
It was probably about 16 years ago, something demonic, or said it was demonic gave me its name gave me its spelling. I couldn't find anything on it in the beginning but a couple years later I did find everything I've been told in this dream.
So that's kind of how it went.
Wow.
Yeah, it's been around me my whole life.
It's one of them ones where it. There's always something that your first memory of it your first, your first paranormal experience that gets you into it is always stays in your head for, you know, like, like you said, as if it was three hours ago.
You know I mean they all always seems to stay there clear as day you know I mean.
And, you know, we have will have will still do have a couple of times a year but we used to have a show on over here, like, like you have ghost adventures over there we used to have most haunted.
Don't know if you've heard of it or not.
Well, I remember one night.
It had just basically started on TV.
And I was doing a live and I was never sitting at me and Julie weren't long together at the time. And we're sitting and I'm flicking through the channels and all of a sudden they came to this channel, and, you know, it was a dark room.
And the cameras were in night vision. I know you can see was the door at the far end of the room, and a chair sitting in the middle.
And I was just sitting there with people talking and, you know, a strange, a strange sort of scenario when you're not really in there that much.
Like you're like, why the hell is this on TV watch this, you know, and then all of a sudden someone says you know, oh, we're doing a live ghost investigation you think, huh, cool, you know, I'm going to watch this for a bit it should be good.
And you're careful because there is no time and space on the other side.
Yeah, yeah, and then you're completely and already hooked.
I thought you were going to tell me that somebody was something had because I've heard of that before and seen it's not happened to us but I have heard stories of people especially watching something alive.
And I think if you've just got the right scenario and the right energy, I have people have reported something occurring at their house while they're watching a live stream.
So I often said that I often said that right when they were doing a live investigation on TV.
And they're saying that all the things you know, we're calling upon such and such if there's anybody here, can you please make and I'm thinking to myself, if anything's in your house, and it's just sitting there watching and waiting.
It's going to hear that and think, oh, I've got the I've got the authority to do what I want.
I mean, I can do what I want to hear, you know, but I remember I watched it one night. This is the, this is probably the nearest experience to that that I had.
I watched it one night.
And there wasn't much happening in the show you know they were doing the usual different rooms different kinds of investigations and stuff.
And the very next morning, I was in work early, and I was standing on the shop floor where I worked on the store had opened yet. We were in.
It was like a supermarket like a big supermarket thing I worked at the time.
And there was only three people in the building, because back in them days, they didn't open 24 hours like to do now.
And we had to go in at six in the morning, because they had a bread delivery and we had to put all the bread on the shelves ready for opening.
There was three of us in the building, there was the manager of the store.
And then there was me and another young fellow who were putting the bread out.
And it's funny because that wasn't even my department. They were looking for people to come in to do it, and nobody would do it and I was like, well, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm starting at eight o'clock anyway that morning so I'll start two hours earlier.
You know, two hours extra pay. Yeah.
But the manager was upstairs, me and this young fellow on the shop floor. And this was the night after I watched one of these.
He's at one end of the aisle and I'm at the other end and putting the bread on the shelf.
All of a sudden I felt a hand like that on my shoulder and push and I near fell, not nearly off my feet.
And I'm sort of thinking, you know, what was that I remember now I can really actually the fingers and all on getting you shoving on the young fellow at the other end of the aisle is a friend of mine, he was like, are you all right.
And I shut it down to him. Did you see that, and he says, well I've seen you near fall over. And I was like, well I'm glad you did because nobody else would believe me. I says I was pushed down.
And he was like, by who. I was like, you tell me. I don't know. Back at this time I didn't have that.
Robin because that's even harder if somebody doesn't really know you like they may be aware of you at work but if they don't know you well right and they're all talking.
That bloke over there he's lost his darn mind.
No, he knew me from work, he was a friend of mine and work but I didn't like socialize outside of work and stuff like that.
Like known that you wouldn't have said something like that even though we might not believe it, but you know what I'm saying probably because it wasn't, it wasn't the subject.
At that time I wasn't what I would call into it. It was just one of them things where if it was on TV, you were fascinated that there was people actually, you know, instead of running around filming after celebrities or going and playing football or sports and stuff I guess here, there was people on TV actually doing something different, you know what I mean.
So it was like bloody hell, you know, I have to watch this because if you see something on here it changes the game kind of thing. But no, it was just, I don't know where it came from.
It just, and there was nothing else after that but he said to me, he says, I've seen you near fall over.
And I remember saying to him, well I'm glad you did because if I told anybody about this and I was on the mail, nobody would believe me. I says I was pushed there and he says, by who? I was like, well I don't know.
I said but I felt the hand on my shoulder and I was pushed. I says and there's nobody here.
And he was like, oh right so then obviously he did believe me because when people were coming into work and he was like, hey you'll never guess what, you'll never guess what happened to him.
He believed you where there will be people that have known you well that would say that bloke over there, he's gone, start bathing mad.
Like somebody pushed him and he tripped over his own feet and we've seen that happen before.
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. But like I say, you know, between my first experience and not, there was, there was quite a large gap where again I didn't really, although it happened and I was fascinated by what has just happened.
It was like, right, well, you know, you start doubting yourself, you know, did it actually happen? Did I feel a hand? Was I just off balance?
You're gaslighting yourself.
Looking back now, when I know what happened to me to get me fully into this, then I can say, well, yes, I do. But if I hadn't have had the things happen to me to get me into this, and I had never got into this field, then I'd probably still be sitting here now thinking to myself, but did I get pushed or was I just off balance?
You know what I mean?
It's one of them things that, although it's more, it's more acceptable these days, but there's still people that will call you completely and utterly bonkers.
So, what happened to us though, like the dream and the whole thing? Yeah, maybe that would be crazy. But when we knew we finally had a problem, there was, there was no mistaking it.
Do you mind if I share a comment? There's a comment here. Yeah, it's your show, Laurel. It's your show. Well, no, she said the live stream incidents when people experience activity she's referring to are because people are connecting with what's going on and it naturally draws spirits to see an opening to present themselves.
I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The energy is right, right? Because like attracts like energy on this, this planet, I believe, too. And people are, a lot of them are in a, let's face it, when we're watching and you don't know what's going to happen on a live stream and you know it's a paranormal show, we're in a certain state of emotion.
Some people like that, they're anticipating a jump scare or they might be anxious, they might be a little in a place of fear, right? And sometimes that can be a perfect, perfect match for something coming through that way.
It can. And I think as well with a lot of these shows these days, and I'm glad that some of them have changed it. I mean, I'll mention a name to you, Zach Baggins. People love him.
I don't even say his name. What I call him is Mr. Tight T-shirt wearing gentleman and everybody knows who he is. I'm dying to hear what you have to say. I'll stop.
So all I'm saying is, I'm actually glad these days of what they actually do because when he's addressing something, whether people will, some people will say he's real, some people will say he's fake. I've stopped watching him. I'm not saying what I feel, but I've, Ghost Adventures to me died when Nick Groff left, but that's just my opinion.
I agree. I actually follow more Nick Groff. You know, I like to watch and I usually do it on YouTube and you guys have heard me mention it many times. I love Mewks Top 5 because he does not tell you what to think.
He will debunk things at times if he believes there's something not quite right. He also gets stuff sent into him from all over the world. One of my regular viewers sent me, I can't remember what it's called. Let me check it out. She sent me the name of another channel.
I'm a little bit on the fence about whether I like it. It's not nearly, I'm going to find the name. It's not nearly the same as Mewks Top 5, but his schedule is all over the place. So it'll tide me over in the meantime. And he does pick up some of the videos I noticed that are on Mewks Top 5, but he has had different ones. It's called Bizarre Bub, B-U-B.
So it's still not my favorite, but I like I said, it'll tide me over. But who I really enjoy watching, I wish to God I'd known about them when we were going through what we were. Because I knew nothing about the paranormal compared to where I am now.
It was a full-time job researching and talking to people and learning and learning and learning. And it's like going to a different planet when you're learning about the paranormal.
But they're the Foreman Brothers with Paranormal Nightmare. Hey, Janie, welcome. I don't know if you've ever seen them or not. Have you seen them, Robin? They're on YouTube.
No, no, I haven't seen them yet.
Okay, the reason why I like these guys, it's three brothers, Rocky, Josh and Sean. And they have been through the paranormal as young children. Sean especially, I think had some possession. It's quite a story. Now what they do is they use their own money.
And they go around on weekends when they're not doing their muggle job or day job, and they go and help families that have had extreme hauntings. They go in, they don't go into rile anything up, they go into to pay respect, they want to find out they interview the people to hear their story, they share it, they then go in and they document some of the activity and it ends with a cleansing afterwards.
And they give aftercare to the family after they've been in there. They don't just go in there to stir up a bunch of stuff which we have seen in many shows, and they leave people in a much worse place than they ever were before.
And I also enjoy the paranormal files. I don't always agree what Colin does. He's young, but I believe we need to support young people because they're going to be our future and what I like about Colin, I don't know how he does what he does, he puts out a three hour documentary practically every week.
His family's involved, his dad goes with him, calls him Papa Spooks, his mom's been there, his wife, his brother-in-law, and they don't manufacture activity. So they have gone to notoriously haunted spaces.
Yeah, anything they don't get anything and you get to see that. I appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah, what was said about the fellow with the tight t-shirt was that the one thing that I will agree with what he does is when he's doing an investigation and he's always asking for stuff to happen, but he's always saying, can you go to Aaron or can you go to Billy or
where if anyone was doing that and say, can you go and can you affect them and can you do this and you're not staying names, who's to say there's something in your house isn't thinking, ah, he's talking to me.
You know, I mean, the one thing I will say about him is that he, I like the way he's always naming who he wants the spirits to go to, because it, how can I put it, it narrowed down.
It makes me feel like they're manufactured, right?
So yeah, yeah, and it means as well that the spirits in your home should really buy that by the time by this time know who you are so they'll know your names not Aaron or you will know your names not Billy or whatever you know I mean so to me, they're, they're humans who have passed, they're still quite smart.
You know, they still know what they're doing. So to me, it's a good way of doing it.
Well, okay, like, don't get me wrong, I watched Ghost Adventures and I forget who the two rotor rotor guys were in the US that Jason and Grant, God, why can I not remember the name of the show.
They were one of the first out there. And I never ever really agreed with a lot of stuff they would do either because half the time they were so far to debunking that they wouldn't even consider like the water's turning on by itself and this is happening and, oh well it might be a little thing here
no people need more than that that's not normal. Fear can feed this, you know, activity in your home. And to me, I think a really good paranormal investigator, you've got a questionnaire you find out things, you get people to do a bit of their homework before safe
it's residential. Can you go back and maybe find out who lived in your home you may have to contact your city hall or whoever, go back through history see what kind of historical events have happened in your home, if you're not able to that's okay then we know, we know we need to do that homework
before we come in. What is happening? Who's experiencing it? I always say to people, please don't be offended I ask everybody this but is there any history of mental health issues? Are you on any medications? I'll also ask them, do you have pets? Do you have
children? You know, young children because sometimes that can indicate, you know, what your children and your pets are doing. Again, you're going to be checking for EMF and for things like that you're going to do a thorough investigation, but then you're going to go in there and you're not going to
go in there to ask the spirits to put on a show, they're not trained monkeys and I feel that we should be treating spirit the same way we would treat somebody standing in front of us, you're not there to poke them and irritate them or rile things up and if you do have something nasty and negative, you know, it gets worse after you have somebody and they're doing that and then they don't help.
Like there's a guy right now what I'm going to say I'm going to call the paranormal files out he's on TikTok. This guy has got one of the craziest hauntings I have ever seen, and I don't think it's fake. Well, I kept saying okay, Colin you and your your brother-in-law and don't get me wrong I appreciate that they go around and everything.
They went in there to document whether it was something demonic or not. And then, after it got really bad. They went oh dude yeah you got a problem we can't help you with it. Well, why did you go in the first place.
Like, if you're going to go go help like get them some help like this guy is still on TikTok I'll probably able to find them while we're talking. And that's what I'm saying like you can't leave people hanging like that was the worst for us when we first started going through this.
My partner Adele was from 15 feet across the kitchen, and he still stepped it to this day. He did not tell me for two days, because he still could not believe there was something not there. The through across the kitchen he had his volt meter out.
He's checking all the wires. And then we realized like everything else coupled with what we did. Yeah, he was thrown across the kitchen. So, we wanted somebody and we want you know when I said it was like we live in Thunder Bay in Northwestern Ontario on Lake Superior right in the middle of Kansas.
Right in the middle of Canada, we're about six and a half hours north of Minneapolis, Minnesota. But the next biggest city next to us is Winnipeg, Manitoba in a province next to us it's about seven hours away driving, and you can't drive through the lake so you've got to either go around the lakes to get to like Toronto area where there was a lot of help, or even go all the way around the other way into the United States.
So we always said like we had to be sure what we were trying to do when people would try and help us, because we couldn't dial 911 paranormal help if we, if we got into worse situation what were we going to do.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, I like that because I've done a couple of house clearances and I always, if I take one on, you know, I'm there until until it's gone, or until there's literally nothing else I can do. But I know I've got someone else that I can say, right, can you come and take a look at this?
Right. Yeah, I want to say this to something's not my field of expertise. I have no problem saying it because I always say, if you had a leak in your pipes, you went on YouTube, could you kind of like fix it, maybe, sort of, but you're going to want somebody that does it every single day that
knows how to fix a leak so that the tapes not, yes stop please, my cat, I got a letter out, I'm right here. But you want somebody that's a professional that knows what they're doing. I'm right here, sorry. Yeah, you're all right. And is doing it every day and that's the same with the paranormal. I'm grabbing a quick read here.
You're all right. I've got Henry Lee on here. He says good afternoon from the old Gilchrist County jail in Trenton, Florida. Okay, I'm right here. I can hear you. Sorry, I apologize about this.
So, yeah, you're all right. Henry Lee, if you, if you go on global ghost hunt.com you can actually enter your, your premises into locations for the global ghost hunt and I'll get you all the publicity out there.
Yeah, I'm right here. Sorry.
I hate getting up doing this guys I apologize that I know it's a no no. Here, okay now we got all the animals out that behave themselves. Just one in here. Sorry. So, have you seen the Ghost Brothers I think they're fantastic.
Are those the African American gentlemen. Yes, yes I have seen them not in a long time but I have yes. I think they're hilarious. And they're exactly like me. They're serious about it, but like a little bit of comedy in it. You know I mean, when I go out in investigations, I'm completely
already serious but I like throwing a few little jokes in here and there. Yeah, I mean, my mother in laws my, my other team members in the skeptic. I'll quite freely say, you know, I've got the old tart with me you know I mean and things like that, you know, just, just, just
to me, I mean, I mean, that changes the energy right plus it's a lot more entertaining. Yeah, I've sent you the name of that video on messenger because I don't think I can post a link here. Right. No, that's okay. I'll have a look at it.
Okay, but this is what I'm talking about. So it's on the paranormal files. Yeah, it's called the possession of Maddie demon caught on camera.
Now they are and they had some crazy stuff happen. I've gone to this guy's YouTube or to talk channel this Maddie.
Holy crap. And but you know what, what I'm also going to say is a cautionary tale.
When you're going to play with fire and you don't know what you're doing with it.
You're going to be educating yourself here's a him and his family were playing with Ouija boards for a year, Ouija boards are not evil by the way. Okay, but you need to know what you're doing. I have an analogy very quickly with this and I always say say Joe found out that he
some reason read somewhere that a chainsaw was great for cutting down a chain link fence.
Ask anybody he heads to the hardware store manages to buy chainsaw brings it home doesn't read the instructions but somehow miraculously gets it started. He goes over to the chain link fence he goes to cut it, and then is absolutely shocked when it kicks back and cuts off his arm
is a chainsaw evil. No, it's a tool, where the problem lies is Joe did not do his homework, he did not get someone to help him and show him how to use the chainsaw. I think that that's what's happened without any judgment people do these things, but him and his family played
with this Ouija board for a year, then they went to some crazy haunted space which you will see in this video took some things from the home. And if we're going to talk about energy, which can neither be created nor destroyed but transferred from one place to another, including items
if there's some anything attached to wherever you're going to this is an abandoned place look like a lot of bad things happen there took it home and now he's wondering why I'll help rick says, which is dangerous.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. I mean, I, I will freely admit that I do not use Ouija boards. I never have done, and I, I probably never will do, because I, I do think that can be safe when they're used properly.
But I'll freely admit that I haven't got the first clue on how to use them properly. And I think that a lot of people out there who, shall we say, fake evidence.
Yeah, those in their investigation which makes them, you know, that was the first thing you think when you see someone doing a Ouija board is they're moving the plan yet.
Yeah, someone's in her finger too hard, you know I mean, that's the first thing you think of. And it's like, maybe they're not. But unless you're actually on this I'm actually there. I've watched and be done.
Right beside the table, I actually was in an investigation I said I wasn't doing it. I didn't but actually student film people actually doing it. I still couldn't tell on the plan shirt.
I still couldn't tell whether everybody had their finger. Very likely on or whether one person was pressing on it.
I've seen a Ouija board for kind of sound with nobody touching it. Yeah, you know planchette that's been burnt. I have dealt with people not by choice that are possessed, levitating on camera that look at evil I don't ever want to see another person's face
on any beings face ever again, I have somebody that witnessed it not the levitation. This is before I was even really well versed with the gifts that I am now. That was quite scary. I always cut it, but I get lots of stuff like that I don't know if I'm meant to be dealing with it
not to that level of the extremity or extreme.
That was pretty scary but what I was going to say to you is Ouija board is a communication device, but just as the Bible, the Bible evil no, but it was man made it was created and I'm not knocking the Bible, but I'm trying to say is collectively around the world when
you're dealing with energy, there is a positive loving energy, generally towards the Bible with Ouija boards on the other hand, just a tool, a communication tool and if you are taught how to use it properly I hear what you're saying can never verify yes
or no, but the other thing is collectively it has a very, very scary negative energy and belief system attached around it. Ouija board is no different than a pendulum. I use this with Reiki when I use it, but I'm going to show you why I can't use it as a pendulum.
So I'll try and hold my arm so it doesn't move stuff. So I can move this with my mind so I'm going to ask it to move back and forth and ask it to stop.
And I'm going to ask it to start turning counterclockwise.
I'm going to ask it to stop.
I'm trying not to move my arm here if I can put my arm down but you won't be able to see it. But what I'm going to you is, it's just energy. This is a communication device. This is no different than a Ouija board. You could actually draw a circle with a whole bunch of letters, right?
I usually put my arm and stabilize it so you can see it. I don't use it for myself, because I can control it. So I have a vested interest in it. I'm going to get the answer I want.
I don't have a vested interest when I'm checking people's chakras. The other thing people aren't aware of, we have communication devices within ourselves. We can use our body as a pendulum.
So you can be out, say you want to know there's a whole bunch of vitamins and you want to know what ones are good for you. You're going to look like a raving lunatic pulling out a pendulum asking, show me what vitamin is good for me, right?
And go in front, show me yes, no, no. But you can use your body that way. Your body can actually lean one way or the other. But again, I hear you about the Ouija boards. Okay. And we've heard many a story.
There's many, many horror movies out there. I always say, I don't know if it's true or not. I guess I believe the truth will always rise to the surface. But I hear what you're saying.
But I think when we have a collective of people and we've seen people with Ouija boards use them, that nobody's really forcing it to move when we are another, especially if they're asking something scary or trying to figure out what's in their home, for example.
Absolutely. I think to be honest with you, right? I know I've said that I've never used it. I have not. And I said that I will probably never use one.
Now I'm going to contradict myself here because I think that if I was, if there was someone who had years of experience with them and said to me, right, this is how you open it.
This is how you use it. And this is how you close it. And taught me all the right things to do. And, you know, after you close it, you know, say these words as well, just to make sure there's nothing going to fall in.
Then I might actually consider.
Do you use ITC?
This is one I'm about to get to.
Okay, I'm reading your mind.
Because, and the reason that I might, I might warm to use them one is because if I turn my SB7 or necrophonic or whatever I use on and I start asking questions, I'm just basically doing a vocal Ouija board.
You're opening up a channel to communication.
But where I want to go with this to support you with this is there's a lot better choices, I feel, than using a Ouija board than to have to whip out the Ouija board and use it.
I think we need to be comfortable from a place of what we're using to open communication.
And then if you've been taught how to use, because I will tell people that have hauntings or have strange things happen, don't be whipping out the, you know, ITC or intertrans communication devices.
Because you have no idea where you're talking to.
You have no idea.
I did not do EVPs in my previous home.
I hated that warning.
But I did call into a good friend of mine's show.
That's how I know Zach man from Jason blend on paranormal soup.
He's on Sunday nights here.
I believe it's 10 PM.
Central to 1 AM.
And he's on Facebook and YouTube paranormal.
So if you guys check it out, he's got great guests.
He's fantastic.
But he once in a while will have ITC night and he did.
And so I called in from the most active parts of my home.
And let me tell you, that was more than a class a plus plus plus plus EVP.
I don't know if you had a chance to listen to it, Robin, because I did have it pinned.
I'll probably repin it to the top of my profile.
But when you hear those communications, they were not planned.
That was filmed live.
And it was both Halloween shows when I called in and it is creepy what comes through there.
Hello, she's at.
Hi, she's at.
Yeah, no, it's I've often said I had someone like years ago when I first started investigating and I I was in the Indian abandoned building.
And there was this other team in there.
I didn't even know they were in there.
I met up with them and we were talking and they were the usual questions you get when you first meet another team.
You know, what kind of equipment have you got?
Yeah.
And then and then they were like, oh, do you not use in the way to board?
And I was like, no, no, no, no, I don't believe in them.
I don't I don't I don't believe in, you know, bringing stuff in.
And then they were like, well, so what kind of communication do you and I was like, well, I've got a spirit box in the bag.
And they were like, well, but that's basically a Norwegian board.
And I was like, that's right.
I was super for a minute and I thought, you know, I should just go home now because, you know, you've just got me, you know, and it is it is.
But I feel more comfortable and that that's.
Yeah.
So what's wrong with that?
Then you're going to get comfortable with.
But but then again, I have I have heard of a right.
I'm going to say this wasn't going to, but I'm going to say I have heard of a case where my mom, right.
My mom would would say to me, right.
She doesn't even know, right.
My burning mind, I'm 45 years old, turn 46 this year, and she doesn't know that I do ghost hunting because, you know,
well, she's got a she's got a little England, but she doesn't actually she's things that just watch on TV because the thing is,
she was before she had her three strokes, she was quite high up in the church.
Got you.
Right. And it was like, you know, you'll burn for that.
You'll burn if you do that.
You know, all this kind of stuff you get, you know, I was like, right.
So, you know, so then what happened with her and she will not admit it, but I'm telling you now this freaked her out.
There was friends of hers were doing an Ouija board one night.
Now, she wasn't there.
She was told about it by a credible friend of hers that wouldn't normally lie.
They were doing this Ouija board one night and it turns out that a man came through.
Right.
Now, I'm going to mention the guy's name and the reason I'm mentioning it is I'm not wanting to upset anybody.
I mean, I don't think anybody listening to it.
Will you shut up, wherever you are?
Right.
You must have all kinds of spirit around because they've been acting up.
They never do this.
Yours, I've talked to you before and now all of a sudden, right.
So this guy's name is quite a quite a rare name.
So this is why, right.
His name was Arthur Berryman.
Right.
Now, my mom knew him when they were kids and, you know, like a group of friends kind of thing.
And as they grew up, you know, some groups sort of go away and other groups, you know.
And anyway, this guy had sort of went his own way with other friends and stuff, I guess, but she just knew him.
And the guy was killed, right.
Was murdered.
Oh, goodness.
One second.
No problem. I'll keep talking.
So it's so nice to see all these people here.
We could talk forever about Perryman.
I've closed the window.
So anyway, one night, this group of friends of my mom's had been probably, I don't know, drinking or whatever they were doing.
And they decided, oh, that's doing a Ouija board.
Now, she would say she wasn't there.
Drinking and.
I know.
Ouija board.
OK.
She wasn't there.
But what happened was they got the board.
Is there anybody here?
And it was going, yes.
Are you male or female?
Are you male?
Yes.
And so they they said.
How did you die?
And it spelt out murdered.
And they said, can you tell me your name?
Now, one of the people who was doing, if I can remember correctly, one of the people who was doing the board.
Was a friend of my mom's and had been a friend of his as well.
So we knew the story.
Now, this this lady that in particular that was was sort of was like touching the plan on and off.
But it wasn't really her energy.
It was other people who were doing it.
She was sort of, you know, when it started to move, she was sort of removing her hand.
You know, that's that's weird kind of thing.
It spelt out that guy's full name, the author and the buryman.
And apparently this woman got up and ran out of the house.
She was like, I'm not these other people who were doing it didn't even know about this.
And this guy had come through saying that he was murdered and what his name was.
And I remember, you know, I can't even think over her.
I'm talking to someone about it.
She didn't tell me.
I think she must have been like talking to me about it or whatever.
And it was like, you know, what?
You may not want to believe in it, fair enough.
But why can you not acknowledge this?
Why can you not actually acknowledge this?
You know, this is just class A proof that, you know, OK, you might think to yourself,
well, it's not the right thing to do from what you believe in.
That's fine. But at least turn and go, you know, wow, there's something there.
I understand.
So I don't know.
It's just it's not the kind of kind of thing that I I would I would do here say.
But you don't have to like we've kind of agreed it's communication.
And, you know, again, I'm not trying to get as we would say in the light work.
You know, normal field. Oh, we were here.
It goes back to science that every energy.
Right. We're energy and, you know, beliefs, our thoughts, our words and our emotions are some of the most powerful things out there.
And people do not realize this.
And I use the example of including our belief systems.
So say you're terrified of a Ouija board or you've got a real fear or you've got a belief system about it.
You could potentially affect whatever is going on there.
Right. You really, really could.
And I, you know, depends who you talk to.
I know from my own personal experiences, the only thing that really helped the physical attacks.
And I have pictures of this because I don't think anybody was going to believe it either.
There my partner's been bit.
We've been scratched. There's a picture of me with a handprint on my chest right here.
It was combing my hair. I did not touch it with a brush.
I just felt burning. I told you my partner's been thrown 15 feet across the kitchen and what have you.
And I always used to say when I was first learning that lower vibrational energy, meaning anger, depression, using drugs or alcohol, sadness, anything like that can put it makes you more open to something coming through or you having some problems.
Because like attracts like like energy, you're dealing with negative energy.
It's going to feed off of something like that.
But once I started to understand about energy and raise the vibration, I hate to hear that word.
You need to raise the vibration.
But it's true because we no longer had any more physical attacks or anything.
Once I understood the principles of that.
So where I'm going with this big, long explanation is if somebody has a negative view or they're afraid or whatever it may be with the Ouija board,
you have no need or no business using one.
Like you said, you're still doing spirit communication using ITC.
You're comfortable with it.
It works for you.
And a story, right? Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
You know, it's that like I say, it's not my preferred go to.
But who's to say that in the future, you know, I if I find it,
I'm going to go use one because as much as you want to say, and I'm talking to global you that you have no worries about it or whatever.
This or that. It's just a tool.
Like I said, yeah.
But I know I've had a pretty vivid imagination.
I know I've seen enough and heard enough and I don't watch horror movies, but there's lots of trailers and things out there.
We've all seen it.
So that's in the back of your mind.
So do I need to use them?
No.
So I don't.
I guess people feel comfortable.
They know how to use it properly.
And they feel like I do have a friend actually over in Austria.
I don't know how he found me.
He's very intriguing gentleman.
And he actually uses EMF meters.
He takes a reading before.
And then he starts communication with the Ouija board and documents when he uses EMF meters to prove the existence and what he picks up on audio and video.
I've never met somebody that that investigates that way.
Certainly a unique way of doing it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's just one of them things.
Some people use them.
Some people don't.
I mean, some people don't actually believe in ITC and some people do.
So my partner is one of them.
And he's such a skeptic.
And he's always that you're just seeing what's coming through because somebody's written it on the on the screen. And I'll say, well, then don't turn on the video part.
Just listen to the audio.
Put your headphones in and listen, because I do believe in ITC.
We had four entities in our previous home.
There was a thing that I and I'm still going to tell you, am I 100 percent convinced that this thing was what it was?
I don't know.
Because as I understand it, you say something demonic does not give you its name and its spelling.
I was given that it was very powerful.
Whatever was in here and what it told me, I indeed did find in the legend and lore rate.
Hey, Steve, oh, right down.
You know what he told me.
And it was not a common denominator.
Sorry.
Demonic name.
I was raised Roman Catholic, forced to go to Roman Catholic school.
I always say no longer subscribe to religion and people say, well, don't you have a belief in a higher power?
Not that it's anybody's business.
But yes, I do believe in God for me.
And I have no judgment with what people believe in.
But my whole point is I did find out what this what I had had in this dream years before.
Then we had something called Super Mario.
If you're old enough to remember that.
And there was a little guy in the game called the Shy Guy.
He looked like he was a little Grim Reaper at the hood, the hockey mouse like Jason.
I have almost a picture of that.
But my guys could see it.
My partner, my two boys.
Then we had a female shapeshifter and she was almost she was a doppelganger for me.
She would take on my form.
And there's numerous incidences we had with what looked like me.
But I was like down in the basement and it would happen up in the kitchen or she'd be doing voice mimicking.
The last man was the infamous Shadow Man.
And we had to.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's loads of stuff out there like that that people will tell you.
Absolutely loads of stuff that people say.
Well, my friend trademarked the name of it.
Heidi Hollis.
She's on Coast to Coast AM now.
And she's the one that first came out with that name as she says.
So she does she does have it trademarked.
I think it's Shadow Guy, Hat Man or something.
She writes stories for children that may be experiencing it to support her.
She's done a lot of good work with it.
Hi, Kelly.
She does a lot of the people will write in and she'll share their stories and things like that, too.
So she's doing good things with trying to help people, at least.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Well, we've we're coming up to nearly an hour.
So that's what we usually run for.
So but we've only got through a little bit of the stuff we're going to talk about.
So you're going to be on the top for hours, right?
You're going to be you're going to be on several times.
You know, you know, you know, you are so.
But Kelly says, hope you tear well.
Well, I'm fine.
I'm sorry.
I'm sure Laura Lee's fine and all.
So do you want to share your stuff and what you have coming up?
And I'll give you want to give David a shout as well.
He can.
OK, thank you.
Well, thank you for having me.
And like I said, I'm getting I've had a day on once, but the plan was always to have a day on and then have both of you on.
So I am on United Public Radio Network, which is also known as UFO Paranormal Radio Network, or just UPRN.
And I have a show Monday nights called the Angel Rock from six to eight p.m.
Eastern Standard Time, people from all walks of life, whatever they're doing professionally or extracurricularly, they're making a positive change for humanity.
We cover all aspects of the esoteric, paranormal, spiritual little bit of truth seeking.
Then I also have a newer show on Thursday nights as my very good friend, David Hansel, and it's called The Thing at the Boot of the Bed, seven p.m.
to nine p.m. Eastern.
And we actually take a topic and you guys that are in the audience are a big part of the show, your comments, your questions.
And we try to answer as best to our ability as we can, either through our personal experiences or also through what we get from spirit.
I'll handle David first. You can always write to him.
He's an amazing medium, and I'm sorry, Angel channels as the animal he does communicate with animals to he's on Tick Tock and it's called the Spirit Experience.
He's also on Facebook and YouTube.
He has a website called They Whisper to me. Should you ever want a book, a reading or anything with them?
That's the only way to get a hold of him, because lots of people are pretending they are him and it's not him.
Also, if you ever want to get a hold of me and get a hold of me on Facebook dot com forward slash the Angel Rock and I have two groups, Paranormal University for many of the things Robin and I are talking about right now.
And then the Angel Rocker tribe for many of the spirituality type things.
Other than that, I'm just doing podcasts, trying to get my resin business launched.
And yeah, but thank you for having me.
Not a problem. I look forward to watching the Angel Rock tomorrow night as per normal.
I know who my guest is, but my authors that I'm having on so I can guarantee is going to be interesting because the person I'm trying to find I have my resin.
I have my resin journal and I'm trying to see where I put it was right here. I was going to show you guys some of it. Oh, here it is.
So these are some of the things I make. This does not do it justice. This is all hand painted and poured with resin. So it doesn't have to be pink and purple.
It's actually holographic, but these are the type of things I do on my spare time.
Nice. Nice.
I have a spiritual line. So I'm making some pendulums. I have runes. I have chakra stones.
I have crystal reiki and I will reiki them with different crystals like charging plates.
And then I have like you name it. I have over 200 molds. So I'm looking right now to get the store set up.
So I will make sure I let a very nuances open.
Yes, and make sure you let us know and we'll put it on our link tree talking with the sword as well for you.
Thank you. I find with you went by too quick.
I did indeed, didn't it?
But this Noraly, I want to thank you again for coming on. It was quite a short notice compared to what we usually do.
No problem.
And like I say, you'll be on again quite a few times, I'm sure, because we've got a lot to talk about.
I know we always do.
But I let you go for now and I shall. I shall see you on the Angel Rock tomorrow night.
All right. For sure. Thanks, Robin.
Thanks for coming on.
Thank you.
Thanks. Bye.
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