1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,080 what are you doing my friend? 2 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:36,080 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 3 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:07,080 What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Talking with the Source podcast. 4 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Just myself today, AJ has been called into work early, so I'm doing today's show with a great show, a fantastic show, a great, great friend of ours. 5 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:29,080 You'll know whenever she comes on, but we always go on and show her support on hers, and we've got her on ours today. 6 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:39,080 But just before I do, I want to mention the Global Ghost Hunt. The May one has just finished. It was a fantastic success. 7 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:49,080 It's back again in October, and it'll be May and October every year. So go to www.globalghosthunt.com, sign your team up. 8 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:59,080 It's going to be fantastic, absolutely fantastic. But without further ado, I want to bring on our guest for today. 9 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:12,080 We have Laura Lee Potvin from the Angel Rock and the thing at the end of the bed, at the foot of the bed. 10 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:21,080 I say the same thing. It's such a long title. That's why. That's why. Thanks for having me. 11 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:27,080 Not a problem. Anytime. And like I say, you will be on again whenever AJ is here. 12 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:35,080 And then obviously we'll bring you on a third time when you and David can come on as well so that we can showcase everybody. 13 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:42,080 I'm going to have you on because you always support my shows. You are always there. You guys, I see somebody. 14 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,080 Twice a week, every week. 15 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:48,080 Well, no, but there's a regular here, Sandra Sharp. I already said hi to her. Hi, Charles Rudd. 16 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:54,080 And but people don't know, I always say it's Robin, but you come up as Hafrin Paranormal. 17 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,080 So this is him in the class here, everybody. 18 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:05,080 It's all right. It's just the way it is. I, I, I named my Facebook as that for the paranormal. 19 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:11,080 And then it just everybody knows me as Hafrin Paranormal, but it's all right. It's Robin. 20 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:18,080 So I got a little bit, I could change it a bit, but hey. 21 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:23,080 So what's going on with you then lately? What's been happening on your end? 22 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:29,080 Well, maybe what I'll do for people that haven't seen me before, I'll tell them a little bit about myself and the network I'm on. 23 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:39,080 So I am Laura Lee Potvin. I'm a Canadian clairvoyant medium, crystal Reiki energy healer, a cacic records practitioner, a spiritual teacher and mentor. 24 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:45,080 And you may see my grandpuppy because he's a little monkey and he's decided to chase a cat. And I'm also a registered nurse. 25 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:57,080 And I have been on UFO Paranormal Radio Network, also known as United Public Radio Network or very easily UPRN for four years coming up next month with the Angel Rock. 26 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:03,080 And the Angel Rock has actually been around for a long time. I was on a previous network and I used to do a show Monday through Friday. 27 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:11,080 And I recently started a second show with a very good friend of mine. I always did do two shows on UPRN. 28 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:18,080 The previous one, Love My Co-host, she had some personal things coming up and the show was sort of put on the back burner. 29 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:25,080 So the thing at the foot of the bat is new. On the Angel Rock on Monday nights, which is 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, 30 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:32,080 I say I have guests from all walks of life and whatever they're doing professionally or personally, they're making a positive change for humanity. 31 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:40,080 And they cover all aspects of the esoteric, the spiritual and a little bit of true seeking thrown in there. 32 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:50,080 Then with the thing at the foot of the bat, David Hansel, my co-host and amazing medium. We both have had near death experiences. 33 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:57,080 I've also studied them professionally and personally for over 40 years. And I believe I've had one as a toddler. 34 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:06,080 So he has a very big TikTok following and he does three minute videos where people ask questions that we always get as psychic mediums and such. 35 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:13,080 So we talked about that because I get the same. So that's what we do. We start with a topic on Thursday nights. 36 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:18,080 That'd be something kind of spooky or, you know, what happens when you die? Why do we have ghosts? 37 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:25,080 We let you know we're not experts, but we're sharing with you from our own personal experiences and what we believe we get from spirit. 38 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:32,080 And then you, the audience, we love to have you part of the audience because you direct where the conversation goes. So it's a lot of fun. 39 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,080 And that's on from seven to nine p.m. Eastern Standard Time every Thursday as well. 40 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Yeah, Mondays and Thursdays are always booked for me because I know that I'm watching the Angel Rock. 41 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:52,080 I'm glad you're there too. Sandra said my sister's face is the first time, Robin, because she's always known you as half-run paranormal. 42 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:58,080 See, sometimes though, like when was it? 43 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:08,080 Lately, what they're doing around where I live here is they're putting, it's like being back in the 50s, they're putting food fiber in. 44 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:17,080 Now, we've had it for a while now, but because they're constantly digging in the road, put more wires and stuff down and things like that, 45 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,080 our Internet goes in and out a lot and it will do for another few weeks. 46 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:29,080 And then once they finish around here, then it should be fine. So sometimes you'll see me and I'll be on the whole show comment. 47 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:37,080 And then other times you'll see like a comment from me and then half an hour later you'll see another comment because I've had to go and reset things and stuff. 48 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:44,080 I have three devices ready. I have had my show go black right in the middle, like no reason, whatever. 49 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:51,080 So I am ready and back on air in two seconds. I was going to add, I will be having Robin on with AJ. 50 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:59,080 AJ has been on the Angel Rock before, but you know what I forgot to mention, what was so important, especially with the show, I'm very well versed in the paranormal. 51 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,080 I lived in an extremely haunted house before this. I'm in a townhouse now that I rent. 52 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:12,080 And we shared our story on the Travel Channel's Paranormal Survivor, season four, episode nine, Demonic Hauntings. 53 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,080 And I'm also writing a book about the experience. It's quite the story. 54 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:24,080 Hey, Zach, man, he's another one of the regulars. Now you know what Robin looks like. 55 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:39,080 So what I was going to say to you, what I was going to ask you was, I know you've sort of touched on it, but the first initial question we ask everybody, get the boring question out of the way, is how did you get into the paranormal? 56 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:50,080 It's one of those questions that, you know, everybody has their own story. A lot of the time it seems to be, you know, from a young age. 57 00:07:50,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Now, obviously with me, I was trying to think. I must have been in my early thirties when I really, really get into it. 58 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:13,080 But a lot of people always seem to have it from childhood. I know that I seen one when I was a kid. 59 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:21,080 It was a lady that got the street from us, an old lady, and she passed away. And her husband, he was old and he carried on working. 60 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:29,080 He was a security man. And every night at the same time, he'd get dropped off at our end of the street and he'd walk up the street to the house. 61 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:39,080 And we used to see him every night. And there was one night we were out kicking football about and we knew the time that he always came home. 62 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Sorry, I'm laughing at the fact. 63 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:53,080 Yeah, I like the T-shirt. One night before, just before he came home, his wife had passed about three or four months prior. 64 00:08:53,080 --> 00:09:02,080 Now, she must have been in her eighties. And I was walking past her house and I happened to glance up to the top window and she was looking out the window at me. 65 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:11,080 Now, you know, it's like when we were kids, you know, if you go into your home and dad and say, I've just seen a ghost or like, get out. 66 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:17,080 You don't get, you don't talk about that. No, you don't. That's just silly nonsense. You know what I mean? 67 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:28,080 So, but that was my first first time, but I don't really count that because although I know I seen it, I wasn't believed. 68 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Whereas when I see my first one in my early thirties, it was like everybody straight away was like, wow, you know, tell us about it. 69 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,080 But, you know, and you get your belief. So go ahead. Yours. 70 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:53,080 Okay, so going back to memory, I need to be fifty eight. No, I guess. So my earliest memory, we lived in this old, old house. You guys heard me tell this story in the interrock before. 71 00:09:53,080 --> 00:10:02,080 But for your listeners, it was so old. This would have been about nineteen sixty nine. I remember my parents were redoing, you know, remodeling as people do. 72 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:15,080 And my mom steamed off, I believe it was thirty nine layers of wallpaper to get to the plaster walls that they could paint. And my bedroom, it was this old rickety bedroom upstairs, obviously. 73 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:22,080 But they had hardwood floors. You had to wear slippers. Otherwise, I remember all this. You would have got slippers in your feet and it was dark at night. 74 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:37,080 And I always hated thunderstorms and it was a really bad one going on. Everybody was in bed. I don't know what time that was. And I could hear back in the late 60s, early 70s, they had kind of this gauzy kind of lacy curtains. 75 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:44,080 So you could see what was going on kind of through the curtains. And it sounded like a tree was tapping on the window. 76 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:53,080 And I kind of peeked out from you guys like seriously about three animals here. I'm sorry. My cat is here. My dog. I apologize. Everybody wants to be here as I'm telling this story. 77 00:10:53,080 --> 00:11:01,080 So anyways, I heard this happening on the window and I look up and I thought it was just a tree and it looked like a claw. 78 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,080 And it was like scraping the window. I'm getting goosebumps. It's not cold as I'm telling you. 79 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:17,080 So I head under my covers. I remember going, please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. And something grabbed me like grab me on my upper back where your waist would go. 80 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:23,080 I've never forgotten that. So I don't know. That's the first paranormal experience I can remember. 81 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:34,080 But I know I probably more than likely I don't speak with my parents. But as the story goes, had a fever of 100 and almost six as most a three year old and kept seizure. 82 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:43,080 And the last time from the hospital, believe my parents and I was in the back room for very long and stayed in the hospital for a couple of weeks. I think I had in near death then. 83 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:54,080 Then when I was eight, I've never been able to find out what happened with this, but we moved into a new home. It was built from the ground up. It was a new development. 84 00:11:54,080 --> 00:12:10,080 And from the time the snow melted until it fell again, every single morning at three a.m. I woke up unable to breathe. I completely blew like passing right out like my parents would be up with me. 85 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:18,080 There was I think I don't know if you what number you guys dial is it 111 over in Europe for like we do 911. Yeah, there was nothing like that. 86 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:31,080 So, you know, my dad would shoot me up, throw me in the back of the car as he'd start driving to the hospital. I would come to they never found out what caused that they diagnosed me with asthma for lack of another thing. 87 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:43,080 But being a nurse, I can tell you it was not an asthma attack. So I've always had very strange, unusual things, even as a nurse, really incredibly unexplainable things, intuitive things. 88 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:54,080 I would pick up like just crazy stuff like one woman was about to head home on a bus three hours away. She'd been in the hospital for stomach pain. They couldn't find out what was wrong. 89 00:12:54,080 --> 00:13:03,080 And I just knew I don't know why I knew I would have 60 patients on nights or be two of us right. We had a really big floor at the time. I was a new grad. 90 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:16,080 And I kept spending a lot of time with her because I just something didn't seem right. And then all of a sudden, and I won't get too much TMI had I not been in the room, she would have died. 91 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:27,080 She literally exploded with blood. She had an aneurysm. That's what was causing the pain and they never picked it up. Thank God she hadn't been on the bus. She lived through it like had many strange things like that happen. 92 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:42,080 But I always say it was never looking for the paranormal. It found us when I really had the crazy stuff star. My previous home. It was insane. The stuff that happened and it all started with a dream that I remember like it happened 10 minutes ago. 93 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:57,080 It was probably about 16 years ago, something demonic, or said it was demonic gave me its name gave me its spelling. I couldn't find anything on it in the beginning but a couple years later I did find everything I've been told in this dream. 94 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,080 So that's kind of how it went. 95 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,080 Wow. 96 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,080 Yeah, it's been around me my whole life. 97 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:25,080 It's one of them ones where it. There's always something that your first memory of it your first, your first paranormal experience that gets you into it is always stays in your head for, you know, like, like you said, as if it was three hours ago. 98 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:31,080 You know I mean they all always seems to stay there clear as day you know I mean. 99 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:43,080 And, you know, we have will have will still do have a couple of times a year but we used to have a show on over here, like, like you have ghost adventures over there we used to have most haunted. 100 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,080 Don't know if you've heard of it or not. 101 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Well, I remember one night. 102 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,080 It had just basically started on TV. 103 00:14:53,080 --> 00:15:07,080 And I was doing a live and I was never sitting at me and Julie weren't long together at the time. And we're sitting and I'm flicking through the channels and all of a sudden they came to this channel, and, you know, it was a dark room. 104 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:15,080 And the cameras were in night vision. I know you can see was the door at the far end of the room, and a chair sitting in the middle. 105 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:26,080 And I was just sitting there with people talking and, you know, a strange, a strange sort of scenario when you're not really in there that much. 106 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:42,080 Like you're like, why the hell is this on TV watch this, you know, and then all of a sudden someone says you know, oh, we're doing a live ghost investigation you think, huh, cool, you know, I'm going to watch this for a bit it should be good. 107 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:47,080 And you're careful because there is no time and space on the other side. 108 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:52,080 Yeah, yeah, and then you're completely and already hooked. 109 00:15:52,080 --> 00:16:04,080 I thought you were going to tell me that somebody was something had because I've heard of that before and seen it's not happened to us but I have heard stories of people especially watching something alive. 110 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:16,080 And I think if you've just got the right scenario and the right energy, I have people have reported something occurring at their house while they're watching a live stream. 111 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:24,080 So I often said that I often said that right when they were doing a live investigation on TV. 112 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:38,080 And they're saying that all the things you know, we're calling upon such and such if there's anybody here, can you please make and I'm thinking to myself, if anything's in your house, and it's just sitting there watching and waiting. 113 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:44,080 It's going to hear that and think, oh, I've got the I've got the authority to do what I want. 114 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:54,080 I mean, I can do what I want to hear, you know, but I remember I watched it one night. This is the, this is probably the nearest experience to that that I had. 115 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,080 I watched it one night. 116 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:04,080 And there wasn't much happening in the show you know they were doing the usual different rooms different kinds of investigations and stuff. 117 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:15,080 And the very next morning, I was in work early, and I was standing on the shop floor where I worked on the store had opened yet. We were in. 118 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,080 It was like a supermarket like a big supermarket thing I worked at the time. 119 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:27,080 And there was only three people in the building, because back in them days, they didn't open 24 hours like to do now. 120 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:35,080 And we had to go in at six in the morning, because they had a bread delivery and we had to put all the bread on the shelves ready for opening. 121 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,080 There was three of us in the building, there was the manager of the store. 122 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,080 And then there was me and another young fellow who were putting the bread out. 123 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:56,080 And it's funny because that wasn't even my department. They were looking for people to come in to do it, and nobody would do it and I was like, well, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm starting at eight o'clock anyway that morning so I'll start two hours earlier. 124 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,080 You know, two hours extra pay. Yeah. 125 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:07,080 But the manager was upstairs, me and this young fellow on the shop floor. And this was the night after I watched one of these. 126 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,080 He's at one end of the aisle and I'm at the other end and putting the bread on the shelf. 127 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:19,080 All of a sudden I felt a hand like that on my shoulder and push and I near fell, not nearly off my feet. 128 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:34,080 And I'm sort of thinking, you know, what was that I remember now I can really actually the fingers and all on getting you shoving on the young fellow at the other end of the aisle is a friend of mine, he was like, are you all right. 129 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:46,080 And I shut it down to him. Did you see that, and he says, well I've seen you near fall over. And I was like, well I'm glad you did because nobody else would believe me. I says I was pushed down. 130 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:54,080 And he was like, by who. I was like, you tell me. I don't know. Back at this time I didn't have that. 131 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:03,080 Robin because that's even harder if somebody doesn't really know you like they may be aware of you at work but if they don't know you well right and they're all talking. 132 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,080 That bloke over there he's lost his darn mind. 133 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:16,080 No, he knew me from work, he was a friend of mine and work but I didn't like socialize outside of work and stuff like that. 134 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:26,080 Like known that you wouldn't have said something like that even though we might not believe it, but you know what I'm saying probably because it wasn't, it wasn't the subject. 135 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:47,080 At that time I wasn't what I would call into it. It was just one of them things where if it was on TV, you were fascinated that there was people actually, you know, instead of running around filming after celebrities or going and playing football or sports and stuff I guess here, there was people on TV actually doing something different, you know what I mean. 136 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:59,080 So it was like bloody hell, you know, I have to watch this because if you see something on here it changes the game kind of thing. But no, it was just, I don't know where it came from. 137 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:08,080 It just, and there was nothing else after that but he said to me, he says, I've seen you near fall over. 138 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:19,080 And I remember saying to him, well I'm glad you did because if I told anybody about this and I was on the mail, nobody would believe me. I says I was pushed there and he says, by who? I was like, well I don't know. 139 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:25,080 I said but I felt the hand on my shoulder and I was pushed. I says and there's nobody here. 140 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:35,080 And he was like, oh right so then obviously he did believe me because when people were coming into work and he was like, hey you'll never guess what, you'll never guess what happened to him. 141 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:43,080 He believed you where there will be people that have known you well that would say that bloke over there, he's gone, start bathing mad. 142 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:49,080 Like somebody pushed him and he tripped over his own feet and we've seen that happen before. 143 00:20:49,080 --> 00:21:03,080 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. But like I say, you know, between my first experience and not, there was, there was quite a large gap where again I didn't really, although it happened and I was fascinated by what has just happened. 144 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:13,080 It was like, right, well, you know, you start doubting yourself, you know, did it actually happen? Did I feel a hand? Was I just off balance? 145 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,080 You're gaslighting yourself. 146 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:40,080 Looking back now, when I know what happened to me to get me fully into this, then I can say, well, yes, I do. But if I hadn't have had the things happen to me to get me into this, and I had never got into this field, then I'd probably still be sitting here now thinking to myself, but did I get pushed or was I just off balance? 147 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,080 You know what I mean? 148 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:54,080 It's one of them things that, although it's more, it's more acceptable these days, but there's still people that will call you completely and utterly bonkers. 149 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:08,080 So, what happened to us though, like the dream and the whole thing? Yeah, maybe that would be crazy. But when we knew we finally had a problem, there was, there was no mistaking it. 150 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Do you mind if I share a comment? There's a comment here. Yeah, it's your show, Laurel. It's your show. Well, no, she said the live stream incidents when people experience activity she's referring to are because people are connecting with what's going on and it naturally draws spirits to see an opening to present themselves. 151 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:48,080 I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The energy is right, right? Because like attracts like energy on this, this planet, I believe, too. And people are, a lot of them are in a, let's face it, when we're watching and you don't know what's going to happen on a live stream and you know it's a paranormal show, we're in a certain state of emotion. 152 00:22:48,080 --> 00:23:00,080 Some people like that, they're anticipating a jump scare or they might be anxious, they might be a little in a place of fear, right? And sometimes that can be a perfect, perfect match for something coming through that way. 153 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:13,080 It can. And I think as well with a lot of these shows these days, and I'm glad that some of them have changed it. I mean, I'll mention a name to you, Zach Baggins. People love him. 154 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:23,080 I don't even say his name. What I call him is Mr. Tight T-shirt wearing gentleman and everybody knows who he is. I'm dying to hear what you have to say. I'll stop. 155 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:50,080 So all I'm saying is, I'm actually glad these days of what they actually do because when he's addressing something, whether people will, some people will say he's real, some people will say he's fake. I've stopped watching him. I'm not saying what I feel, but I've, Ghost Adventures to me died when Nick Groff left, but that's just my opinion. 156 00:23:50,080 --> 00:24:05,080 I agree. I actually follow more Nick Groff. You know, I like to watch and I usually do it on YouTube and you guys have heard me mention it many times. I love Mewks Top 5 because he does not tell you what to think. 157 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:22,080 He will debunk things at times if he believes there's something not quite right. He also gets stuff sent into him from all over the world. One of my regular viewers sent me, I can't remember what it's called. Let me check it out. She sent me the name of another channel. 158 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:44,080 I'm a little bit on the fence about whether I like it. It's not nearly, I'm going to find the name. It's not nearly the same as Mewks Top 5, but his schedule is all over the place. So it'll tide me over in the meantime. And he does pick up some of the videos I noticed that are on Mewks Top 5, but he has had different ones. It's called Bizarre Bub, B-U-B. 159 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:57,080 So it's still not my favorite, but I like I said, it'll tide me over. But who I really enjoy watching, I wish to God I'd known about them when we were going through what we were. Because I knew nothing about the paranormal compared to where I am now. 160 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:07,080 It was a full-time job researching and talking to people and learning and learning and learning. And it's like going to a different planet when you're learning about the paranormal. 161 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:16,080 But they're the Foreman Brothers with Paranormal Nightmare. Hey, Janie, welcome. I don't know if you've ever seen them or not. Have you seen them, Robin? They're on YouTube. 162 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,080 No, no, I haven't seen them yet. 163 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:38,080 Okay, the reason why I like these guys, it's three brothers, Rocky, Josh and Sean. And they have been through the paranormal as young children. Sean especially, I think had some possession. It's quite a story. Now what they do is they use their own money. 164 00:25:38,080 --> 00:26:04,080 And they go around on weekends when they're not doing their muggle job or day job, and they go and help families that have had extreme hauntings. They go in, they don't go into rile anything up, they go into to pay respect, they want to find out they interview the people to hear their story, they share it, they then go in and they document some of the activity and it ends with a cleansing afterwards. 165 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:18,080 And they give aftercare to the family after they've been in there. They don't just go in there to stir up a bunch of stuff which we have seen in many shows, and they leave people in a much worse place than they ever were before. 166 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:37,080 And I also enjoy the paranormal files. I don't always agree what Colin does. He's young, but I believe we need to support young people because they're going to be our future and what I like about Colin, I don't know how he does what he does, he puts out a three hour documentary practically every week. 167 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:51,080 His family's involved, his dad goes with him, calls him Papa Spooks, his mom's been there, his wife, his brother-in-law, and they don't manufacture activity. So they have gone to notoriously haunted spaces. 168 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,080 Yeah, anything they don't get anything and you get to see that. I appreciate that. 169 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:21,080 Yeah, yeah, what was said about the fellow with the tight t-shirt was that the one thing that I will agree with what he does is when he's doing an investigation and he's always asking for stuff to happen, but he's always saying, can you go to Aaron or can you go to Billy or 170 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:33,080 where if anyone was doing that and say, can you go and can you affect them and can you do this and you're not staying names, who's to say there's something in your house isn't thinking, ah, he's talking to me. 171 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:52,080 You know, I mean, the one thing I will say about him is that he, I like the way he's always naming who he wants the spirits to go to, because it, how can I put it, it narrowed down. 172 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,080 It makes me feel like they're manufactured, right? 173 00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:16,080 So yeah, yeah, and it means as well that the spirits in your home should really buy that by the time by this time know who you are so they'll know your names not Aaron or you will know your names not Billy or whatever you know I mean so to me, they're, they're humans who have passed, they're still quite smart. 174 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:24,080 You know, they still know what they're doing. So to me, it's a good way of doing it. 175 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:35,080 Well, okay, like, don't get me wrong, I watched Ghost Adventures and I forget who the two rotor rotor guys were in the US that Jason and Grant, God, why can I not remember the name of the show. 176 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:51,080 They were one of the first out there. And I never ever really agreed with a lot of stuff they would do either because half the time they were so far to debunking that they wouldn't even consider like the water's turning on by itself and this is happening and, oh well it might be a little thing here 177 00:28:51,080 --> 00:29:08,080 no people need more than that that's not normal. Fear can feed this, you know, activity in your home. And to me, I think a really good paranormal investigator, you've got a questionnaire you find out things, you get people to do a bit of their homework before safe 178 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:22,080 it's residential. Can you go back and maybe find out who lived in your home you may have to contact your city hall or whoever, go back through history see what kind of historical events have happened in your home, if you're not able to that's okay then we know, we know we need to do that homework 179 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:39,080 before we come in. What is happening? Who's experiencing it? I always say to people, please don't be offended I ask everybody this but is there any history of mental health issues? Are you on any medications? I'll also ask them, do you have pets? Do you have 180 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:53,080 children? You know, young children because sometimes that can indicate, you know, what your children and your pets are doing. Again, you're going to be checking for EMF and for things like that you're going to do a thorough investigation, but then you're going to go in there and you're not going to 181 00:29:53,080 --> 00:30:15,080 go in there to ask the spirits to put on a show, they're not trained monkeys and I feel that we should be treating spirit the same way we would treat somebody standing in front of us, you're not there to poke them and irritate them or rile things up and if you do have something nasty and negative, you know, it gets worse after you have somebody and they're doing that and then they don't help. 182 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:34,080 Like there's a guy right now what I'm going to say I'm going to call the paranormal files out he's on TikTok. This guy has got one of the craziest hauntings I have ever seen, and I don't think it's fake. Well, I kept saying okay, Colin you and your your brother-in-law and don't get me wrong I appreciate that they go around and everything. 183 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:47,080 They went in there to document whether it was something demonic or not. And then, after it got really bad. They went oh dude yeah you got a problem we can't help you with it. Well, why did you go in the first place. 184 00:30:47,080 --> 00:31:00,080 Like, if you're going to go go help like get them some help like this guy is still on TikTok I'll probably able to find them while we're talking. And that's what I'm saying like you can't leave people hanging like that was the worst for us when we first started going through this. 185 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:13,080 My partner Adele was from 15 feet across the kitchen, and he still stepped it to this day. He did not tell me for two days, because he still could not believe there was something not there. The through across the kitchen he had his volt meter out. 186 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:29,080 He's checking all the wires. And then we realized like everything else coupled with what we did. Yeah, he was thrown across the kitchen. So, we wanted somebody and we want you know when I said it was like we live in Thunder Bay in Northwestern Ontario on Lake Superior right in the middle of Kansas. 187 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:51,080 Right in the middle of Canada, we're about six and a half hours north of Minneapolis, Minnesota. But the next biggest city next to us is Winnipeg, Manitoba in a province next to us it's about seven hours away driving, and you can't drive through the lake so you've got to either go around the lakes to get to like Toronto area where there was a lot of help, or even go all the way around the other way into the United States. 188 00:31:51,080 --> 00:32:04,080 So we always said like we had to be sure what we were trying to do when people would try and help us, because we couldn't dial 911 paranormal help if we, if we got into worse situation what were we going to do. 189 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:28,080 Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, I like that because I've done a couple of house clearances and I always, if I take one on, you know, I'm there until until it's gone, or until there's literally nothing else I can do. But I know I've got someone else that I can say, right, can you come and take a look at this? 190 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:45,080 Right. Yeah, I want to say this to something's not my field of expertise. I have no problem saying it because I always say, if you had a leak in your pipes, you went on YouTube, could you kind of like fix it, maybe, sort of, but you're going to want somebody that does it every single day that 191 00:32:45,080 --> 00:33:03,080 knows how to fix a leak so that the tapes not, yes stop please, my cat, I got a letter out, I'm right here. But you want somebody that's a professional that knows what they're doing. I'm right here, sorry. Yeah, you're all right. And is doing it every day and that's the same with the paranormal. I'm grabbing a quick read here. 192 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:17,080 You're all right. I've got Henry Lee on here. He says good afternoon from the old Gilchrist County jail in Trenton, Florida. Okay, I'm right here. I can hear you. Sorry, I apologize about this. 193 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:33,080 So, yeah, you're all right. Henry Lee, if you, if you go on global ghost hunt.com you can actually enter your, your premises into locations for the global ghost hunt and I'll get you all the publicity out there. 194 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,080 Yeah, I'm right here. Sorry. 195 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:51,080 I hate getting up doing this guys I apologize that I know it's a no no. Here, okay now we got all the animals out that behave themselves. Just one in here. Sorry. So, have you seen the Ghost Brothers I think they're fantastic. 196 00:33:51,080 --> 00:34:09,080 Are those the African American gentlemen. Yes, yes I have seen them not in a long time but I have yes. I think they're hilarious. And they're exactly like me. They're serious about it, but like a little bit of comedy in it. You know I mean, when I go out in investigations, I'm completely 197 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:27,080 already serious but I like throwing a few little jokes in here and there. Yeah, I mean, my mother in laws my, my other team members in the skeptic. I'll quite freely say, you know, I've got the old tart with me you know I mean and things like that, you know, just, just, just 198 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:41,080 to me, I mean, I mean, that changes the energy right plus it's a lot more entertaining. Yeah, I've sent you the name of that video on messenger because I don't think I can post a link here. Right. No, that's okay. I'll have a look at it. 199 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:51,080 Okay, but this is what I'm talking about. So it's on the paranormal files. Yeah, it's called the possession of Maddie demon caught on camera. 200 00:34:51,080 --> 00:35:00,080 Now they are and they had some crazy stuff happen. I've gone to this guy's YouTube or to talk channel this Maddie. 201 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:07,080 Holy crap. And but you know what, what I'm also going to say is a cautionary tale. 202 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,080 When you're going to play with fire and you don't know what you're doing with it. 203 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:26,080 You're going to be educating yourself here's a him and his family were playing with Ouija boards for a year, Ouija boards are not evil by the way. Okay, but you need to know what you're doing. I have an analogy very quickly with this and I always say say Joe found out that he 204 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,080 some reason read somewhere that a chainsaw was great for cutting down a chain link fence. 205 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:48,080 Ask anybody he heads to the hardware store manages to buy chainsaw brings it home doesn't read the instructions but somehow miraculously gets it started. He goes over to the chain link fence he goes to cut it, and then is absolutely shocked when it kicks back and cuts off his arm 206 00:35:48,080 --> 00:36:05,080 is a chainsaw evil. No, it's a tool, where the problem lies is Joe did not do his homework, he did not get someone to help him and show him how to use the chainsaw. I think that that's what's happened without any judgment people do these things, but him and his family played 207 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:20,080 with this Ouija board for a year, then they went to some crazy haunted space which you will see in this video took some things from the home. And if we're going to talk about energy, which can neither be created nor destroyed but transferred from one place to another, including items 208 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:35,080 if there's some anything attached to wherever you're going to this is an abandoned place look like a lot of bad things happen there took it home and now he's wondering why I'll help rick says, which is dangerous. 209 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,080 Absolutely. 210 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:58,080 Absolutely. I mean, I, I will freely admit that I do not use Ouija boards. I never have done, and I, I probably never will do, because I, I do think that can be safe when they're used properly. 211 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:16,080 But I'll freely admit that I haven't got the first clue on how to use them properly. And I think that a lot of people out there who, shall we say, fake evidence. 212 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:30,080 Yeah, those in their investigation which makes them, you know, that was the first thing you think when you see someone doing a Ouija board is they're moving the plan yet. 213 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:46,080 Yeah, someone's in her finger too hard, you know I mean, that's the first thing you think of. And it's like, maybe they're not. But unless you're actually on this I'm actually there. I've watched and be done. 214 00:37:46,080 --> 00:38:01,080 Right beside the table, I actually was in an investigation I said I wasn't doing it. I didn't but actually student film people actually doing it. I still couldn't tell on the plan shirt. 215 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:10,080 I still couldn't tell whether everybody had their finger. Very likely on or whether one person was pressing on it. 216 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:26,080 I've seen a Ouija board for kind of sound with nobody touching it. Yeah, you know planchette that's been burnt. I have dealt with people not by choice that are possessed, levitating on camera that look at evil I don't ever want to see another person's face 217 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:42,080 on any beings face ever again, I have somebody that witnessed it not the levitation. This is before I was even really well versed with the gifts that I am now. That was quite scary. I always cut it, but I get lots of stuff like that I don't know if I'm meant to be dealing with it 218 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,080 not to that level of the extremity or extreme. 219 00:38:46,080 --> 00:39:01,080 That was pretty scary but what I was going to say to you is Ouija board is a communication device, but just as the Bible, the Bible evil no, but it was man made it was created and I'm not knocking the Bible, but I'm trying to say is collectively around the world when 220 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:17,080 you're dealing with energy, there is a positive loving energy, generally towards the Bible with Ouija boards on the other hand, just a tool, a communication tool and if you are taught how to use it properly I hear what you're saying can never verify yes 221 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:38,080 or no, but the other thing is collectively it has a very, very scary negative energy and belief system attached around it. Ouija board is no different than a pendulum. I use this with Reiki when I use it, but I'm going to show you why I can't use it as a pendulum. 222 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:49,080 So I'll try and hold my arm so it doesn't move stuff. So I can move this with my mind so I'm going to ask it to move back and forth and ask it to stop. 223 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,080 And I'm going to ask it to start turning counterclockwise. 224 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,080 I'm going to ask it to stop. 225 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:10,080 I'm trying not to move my arm here if I can put my arm down but you won't be able to see it. But what I'm going to you is, it's just energy. This is a communication device. This is no different than a Ouija board. You could actually draw a circle with a whole bunch of letters, right? 226 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:21,080 I usually put my arm and stabilize it so you can see it. I don't use it for myself, because I can control it. So I have a vested interest in it. I'm going to get the answer I want. 227 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:33,080 I don't have a vested interest when I'm checking people's chakras. The other thing people aren't aware of, we have communication devices within ourselves. We can use our body as a pendulum. 228 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:44,080 So you can be out, say you want to know there's a whole bunch of vitamins and you want to know what ones are good for you. You're going to look like a raving lunatic pulling out a pendulum asking, show me what vitamin is good for me, right? 229 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:56,080 And go in front, show me yes, no, no. But you can use your body that way. Your body can actually lean one way or the other. But again, I hear you about the Ouija boards. Okay. And we've heard many a story. 230 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:06,080 There's many, many horror movies out there. I always say, I don't know if it's true or not. I guess I believe the truth will always rise to the surface. But I hear what you're saying. 231 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:18,080 But I think when we have a collective of people and we've seen people with Ouija boards use them, that nobody's really forcing it to move when we are another, especially if they're asking something scary or trying to figure out what's in their home, for example. 232 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:31,080 Absolutely. I think to be honest with you, right? I know I've said that I've never used it. I have not. And I said that I will probably never use one. 233 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:50,080 Now I'm going to contradict myself here because I think that if I was, if there was someone who had years of experience with them and said to me, right, this is how you open it. 234 00:41:50,080 --> 00:42:04,080 This is how you use it. And this is how you close it. And taught me all the right things to do. And, you know, after you close it, you know, say these words as well, just to make sure there's nothing going to fall in. 235 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,080 Then I might actually consider. 236 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,080 Do you use ITC? 237 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,080 This is one I'm about to get to. 238 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080 Okay, I'm reading your mind. 239 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:34,080 Because, and the reason that I might, I might warm to use them one is because if I turn my SB7 or necrophonic or whatever I use on and I start asking questions, I'm just basically doing a vocal Ouija board. 240 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,080 You're opening up a channel to communication. 241 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:47,080 But where I want to go with this to support you with this is there's a lot better choices, I feel, than using a Ouija board than to have to whip out the Ouija board and use it. 242 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:53,080 I think we need to be comfortable from a place of what we're using to open communication. 243 00:42:53,080 --> 00:43:04,080 And then if you've been taught how to use, because I will tell people that have hauntings or have strange things happen, don't be whipping out the, you know, ITC or intertrans communication devices. 244 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,080 Because you have no idea where you're talking to. 245 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080 You have no idea. 246 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080 I did not do EVPs in my previous home. 247 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,080 I hated that warning. 248 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,080 But I did call into a good friend of mine's show. 249 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,080 That's how I know Zach man from Jason blend on paranormal soup. 250 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,080 He's on Sunday nights here. 251 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,080 I believe it's 10 PM. 252 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080 Central to 1 AM. 253 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,080 And he's on Facebook and YouTube paranormal. 254 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,080 So if you guys check it out, he's got great guests. 255 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,080 He's fantastic. 256 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,080 But he once in a while will have ITC night and he did. 257 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,080 And so I called in from the most active parts of my home. 258 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:46,080 And let me tell you, that was more than a class a plus plus plus plus EVP. 259 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,080 I don't know if you had a chance to listen to it, Robin, because I did have it pinned. 260 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,080 I'll probably repin it to the top of my profile. 261 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,080 But when you hear those communications, they were not planned. 262 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,080 That was filmed live. 263 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:05,080 And it was both Halloween shows when I called in and it is creepy what comes through there. 264 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,080 Hello, she's at. 265 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,080 Hi, she's at. 266 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:22,080 Yeah, no, it's I've often said I had someone like years ago when I first started investigating and I I was in the Indian abandoned building. 267 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,080 And there was this other team in there. 268 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,080 I didn't even know they were in there. 269 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,080 I met up with them and we were talking and they were the usual questions you get when you first meet another team. 270 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,080 You know, what kind of equipment have you got? 271 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,080 Yeah. 272 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,080 And then and then they were like, oh, do you not use in the way to board? 273 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,080 And I was like, no, no, no, no, I don't believe in them. 274 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,080 I don't I don't I don't believe in, you know, bringing stuff in. 275 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,080 And then they were like, well, so what kind of communication do you and I was like, well, I've got a spirit box in the bag. 276 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,080 And they were like, well, but that's basically a Norwegian board. 277 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,080 And I was like, that's right. 278 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:08,080 I was super for a minute and I thought, you know, I should just go home now because, you know, you've just got me, you know, and it is it is. 279 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,080 But I feel more comfortable and that that's. 280 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,080 Yeah. 281 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,080 So what's wrong with that? 282 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,080 Then you're going to get comfortable with. 283 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:23,080 But but then again, I have I have heard of a right. 284 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:31,080 I'm going to say this wasn't going to, but I'm going to say I have heard of a case where my mom, right. 285 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,080 My mom would would say to me, right. 286 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,080 She doesn't even know, right. 287 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:44,080 My burning mind, I'm 45 years old, turn 46 this year, and she doesn't know that I do ghost hunting because, you know, 288 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:51,080 well, she's got a she's got a little England, but she doesn't actually she's things that just watch on TV because the thing is, 289 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:56,080 she was before she had her three strokes, she was quite high up in the church. 290 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,080 Got you. 291 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,080 Right. And it was like, you know, you'll burn for that. 292 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,080 You'll burn if you do that. 293 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,080 You know, all this kind of stuff you get, you know, I was like, right. 294 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:16,080 So, you know, so then what happened with her and she will not admit it, but I'm telling you now this freaked her out. 295 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,080 There was friends of hers were doing an Ouija board one night. 296 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,080 Now, she wasn't there. 297 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,080 She was told about it by a credible friend of hers that wouldn't normally lie. 298 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:36,080 They were doing this Ouija board one night and it turns out that a man came through. 299 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,080 Right. 300 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:43,080 Now, I'm going to mention the guy's name and the reason I'm mentioning it is I'm not wanting to upset anybody. 301 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,080 I mean, I don't think anybody listening to it. 302 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,080 Will you shut up, wherever you are? 303 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,080 Right. 304 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,080 You must have all kinds of spirit around because they've been acting up. 305 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,080 They never do this. 306 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,080 Yours, I've talked to you before and now all of a sudden, right. 307 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,080 So this guy's name is quite a quite a rare name. 308 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080 So this is why, right. 309 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,080 His name was Arthur Berryman. 310 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,080 Right. 311 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:17,080 Now, my mom knew him when they were kids and, you know, like a group of friends kind of thing. 312 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,080 And as they grew up, you know, some groups sort of go away and other groups, you know. 313 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:29,080 And anyway, this guy had sort of went his own way with other friends and stuff, I guess, but she just knew him. 314 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,080 And the guy was killed, right. 315 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:38,080 Was murdered. 316 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,080 Oh, goodness. 317 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,080 One second. 318 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,080 No problem. I'll keep talking. 319 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,080 So it's so nice to see all these people here. 320 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,080 We could talk forever about Perryman. 321 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,080 I've closed the window. 322 00:47:52,080 --> 00:48:01,080 So anyway, one night, this group of friends of my mom's had been probably, I don't know, drinking or whatever they were doing. 323 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,080 And they decided, oh, that's doing a Ouija board. 324 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,080 Now, she would say she wasn't there. 325 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,080 Drinking and. 326 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080 I know. 327 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,080 I know. 328 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080 Ouija board. 329 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,080 OK. 330 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,080 She wasn't there. 331 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,080 But what happened was they got the board. 332 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,080 Is there anybody here? 333 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,080 And it was going, yes. 334 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,080 Are you male or female? 335 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,080 Are you male? 336 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080 Yes. 337 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,080 And so they they said. 338 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,080 How did you die? 339 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,080 And it spelt out murdered. 340 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,080 And they said, can you tell me your name? 341 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,080 Now, one of the people who was doing, if I can remember correctly, one of the people who was doing the board. 342 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,080 Was a friend of my mom's and had been a friend of his as well. 343 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080 So we knew the story. 344 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:57,080 Now, this this lady that in particular that was was sort of was like touching the plan on and off. 345 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,080 But it wasn't really her energy. 346 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,080 It was other people who were doing it. 347 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,080 She was sort of, you know, when it started to move, she was sort of removing her hand. 348 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,080 You know, that's that's weird kind of thing. 349 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,080 It spelt out that guy's full name, the author and the buryman. 350 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,080 And apparently this woman got up and ran out of the house. 351 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:21,080 She was like, I'm not these other people who were doing it didn't even know about this. 352 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,080 And this guy had come through saying that he was murdered and what his name was. 353 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,080 And I remember, you know, I can't even think over her. 354 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,080 I'm talking to someone about it. 355 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,080 She didn't tell me. 356 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,080 I think she must have been like talking to me about it or whatever. 357 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,080 And it was like, you know, what? 358 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,080 You may not want to believe in it, fair enough. 359 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,080 But why can you not acknowledge this? 360 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,080 Why can you not actually acknowledge this? 361 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:56,080 You know, this is just class A proof that, you know, OK, you might think to yourself, 362 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080 well, it's not the right thing to do from what you believe in. 363 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:03,080 That's fine. But at least turn and go, you know, wow, there's something there. 364 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,080 I understand. 365 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,080 So I don't know. 366 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:16,080 It's just it's not the kind of kind of thing that I I would I would do here say. 367 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:22,080 But you don't have to like we've kind of agreed it's communication. 368 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,080 And, you know, again, I'm not trying to get as we would say in the light work. 369 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,080 You know, normal field. Oh, we were here. 370 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,080 It goes back to science that every energy. 371 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:40,080 Right. We're energy and, you know, beliefs, our thoughts, our words and our emotions are some of the most powerful things out there. 372 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,080 And people do not realize this. 373 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,080 And I use the example of including our belief systems. 374 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:53,080 So say you're terrified of a Ouija board or you've got a real fear or you've got a belief system about it. 375 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080 You could potentially affect whatever is going on there. 376 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,080 Right. You really, really could. 377 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,080 And I, you know, depends who you talk to. 378 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:07,080 I know from my own personal experiences, the only thing that really helped the physical attacks. 379 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,080 And I have pictures of this because I don't think anybody was going to believe it either. 380 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,080 There my partner's been bit. 381 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,080 We've been scratched. There's a picture of me with a handprint on my chest right here. 382 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,080 It was combing my hair. I did not touch it with a brush. 383 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,080 I just felt burning. I told you my partner's been thrown 15 feet across the kitchen and what have you. 384 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:45,080 And I always used to say when I was first learning that lower vibrational energy, meaning anger, depression, using drugs or alcohol, sadness, anything like that can put it makes you more open to something coming through or you having some problems. 385 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,080 Because like attracts like like energy, you're dealing with negative energy. 386 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,080 It's going to feed off of something like that. 387 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:58,080 But once I started to understand about energy and raise the vibration, I hate to hear that word. 388 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,080 You need to raise the vibration. 389 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:08,080 But it's true because we no longer had any more physical attacks or anything. 390 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,080 Once I understood the principles of that. 391 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:19,080 So where I'm going with this big, long explanation is if somebody has a negative view or they're afraid or whatever it may be with the Ouija board, 392 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,080 you have no need or no business using one. 393 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:26,080 Like you said, you're still doing spirit communication using ITC. 394 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,080 You're comfortable with it. 395 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,080 It works for you. 396 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:33,080 And a story, right? Yeah, absolutely. 397 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,080 Absolutely. 398 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,080 You know, it's that like I say, it's not my preferred go to. 399 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:44,080 But who's to say that in the future, you know, I if I find it, 400 00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:53,080 I'm going to go use one because as much as you want to say, and I'm talking to global you that you have no worries about it or whatever. 401 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,080 This or that. It's just a tool. 402 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,080 Like I said, yeah. 403 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,080 But I know I've had a pretty vivid imagination. 404 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:05,080 I know I've seen enough and heard enough and I don't watch horror movies, but there's lots of trailers and things out there. 405 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,080 We've all seen it. 406 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,080 So that's in the back of your mind. 407 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,080 So do I need to use them? 408 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,080 No. 409 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,080 So I don't. 410 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080 I guess people feel comfortable. 411 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,080 They know how to use it properly. 412 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,080 And they feel like I do have a friend actually over in Austria. 413 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,080 I don't know how he found me. 414 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,080 He's very intriguing gentleman. 415 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,080 And he actually uses EMF meters. 416 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,080 He takes a reading before. 417 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:41,080 And then he starts communication with the Ouija board and documents when he uses EMF meters to prove the existence and what he picks up on audio and video. 418 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,080 I've never met somebody that that investigates that way. 419 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,080 Certainly a unique way of doing it. 420 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,080 Yeah. Yeah. 421 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,080 Yeah. It's just one of them things. 422 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,080 Some people use them. 423 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,080 Some people don't. 424 00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:00,080 I mean, some people don't actually believe in ITC and some people do. 425 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080 So my partner is one of them. 426 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,080 And he's such a skeptic. 427 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:13,080 And he's always that you're just seeing what's coming through because somebody's written it on the on the screen. And I'll say, well, then don't turn on the video part. 428 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,080 Just listen to the audio. 429 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,080 Put your headphones in and listen, because I do believe in ITC. 430 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,080 We had four entities in our previous home. 431 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:29,080 There was a thing that I and I'm still going to tell you, am I 100 percent convinced that this thing was what it was? 432 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,080 I don't know. 433 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:36,080 Because as I understand it, you say something demonic does not give you its name and its spelling. 434 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,080 I was given that it was very powerful. 435 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:44,080 Whatever was in here and what it told me, I indeed did find in the legend and lore rate. 436 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,080 Hey, Steve, oh, right down. 437 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,080 You know what he told me. 438 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,080 And it was not a common denominator. 439 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,080 Sorry. 440 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,080 Demonic name. 441 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,080 I was raised Roman Catholic, forced to go to Roman Catholic school. 442 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:02,080 I always say no longer subscribe to religion and people say, well, don't you have a belief in a higher power? 443 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,080 Not that it's anybody's business. 444 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,080 But yes, I do believe in God for me. 445 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,080 And I have no judgment with what people believe in. 446 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:14,080 But my whole point is I did find out what this what I had had in this dream years before. 447 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,080 Then we had something called Super Mario. 448 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,080 If you're old enough to remember that. 449 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,080 And there was a little guy in the game called the Shy Guy. 450 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,080 He looked like he was a little Grim Reaper at the hood, the hockey mouse like Jason. 451 00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,080 I have almost a picture of that. 452 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,080 But my guys could see it. 453 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,080 My partner, my two boys. 454 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,080 Then we had a female shapeshifter and she was almost she was a doppelganger for me. 455 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,080 She would take on my form. 456 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,080 And there's numerous incidences we had with what looked like me. 457 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:47,080 But I was like down in the basement and it would happen up in the kitchen or she'd be doing voice mimicking. 458 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,080 The last man was the infamous Shadow Man. 459 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,080 And we had to. 460 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,080 Yeah. 461 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,080 Yeah, there's loads of stuff out there like that that people will tell you. 462 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,080 Absolutely loads of stuff that people say. 463 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,080 Well, my friend trademarked the name of it. 464 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,080 Heidi Hollis. 465 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080 She's on Coast to Coast AM now. 466 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,080 And she's the one that first came out with that name as she says. 467 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,080 So she does she does have it trademarked. 468 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,080 I think it's Shadow Guy, Hat Man or something. 469 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,080 She writes stories for children that may be experiencing it to support her. 470 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,080 She's done a lot of good work with it. 471 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,080 Hi, Kelly. 472 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:31,080 She does a lot of the people will write in and she'll share their stories and things like that, too. 473 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,080 So she's doing good things with trying to help people, at least. 474 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,080 Yeah, absolutely. 475 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,080 Absolutely. 476 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,080 Well, we've we're coming up to nearly an hour. 477 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,080 So that's what we usually run for. 478 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,080 So but we've only got through a little bit of the stuff we're going to talk about. 479 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,080 So you're going to be on the top for hours, right? 480 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,080 You're going to be you're going to be on several times. 481 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080 You know, you know, you know, you are so. 482 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,080 But Kelly says, hope you tear well. 483 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,080 Well, I'm fine. 484 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,080 I'm sorry. 485 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,080 I'm sure Laura Lee's fine and all. 486 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:11,080 So do you want to share your stuff and what you have coming up? 487 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,080 And I'll give you want to give David a shout as well. 488 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,080 He can. 489 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,080 OK, thank you. 490 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,080 Well, thank you for having me. 491 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:25,080 And like I said, I'm getting I've had a day on once, but the plan was always to have a day on and then have both of you on. 492 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:32,080 So I am on United Public Radio Network, which is also known as UFO Paranormal Radio Network, or just UPRN. 493 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,080 And I have a show Monday nights called the Angel Rock from six to eight p.m. 494 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:44,080 Eastern Standard Time, people from all walks of life, whatever they're doing professionally or extracurricularly, they're making a positive change for humanity. 495 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:49,080 We cover all aspects of the esoteric, paranormal, spiritual little bit of truth seeking. 496 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:57,080 Then I also have a newer show on Thursday nights as my very good friend, David Hansel, and it's called The Thing at the Boot of the Bed, seven p.m. 497 00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,080 to nine p.m. Eastern. 498 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:07,080 And we actually take a topic and you guys that are in the audience are a big part of the show, your comments, your questions. 499 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:15,080 And we try to answer as best to our ability as we can, either through our personal experiences or also through what we get from spirit. 500 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,080 I'll handle David first. You can always write to him. 501 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:28,080 He's an amazing medium, and I'm sorry, Angel channels as the animal he does communicate with animals to he's on Tick Tock and it's called the Spirit Experience. 502 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,080 He's also on Facebook and YouTube. 503 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:37,080 He has a website called They Whisper to me. Should you ever want a book, a reading or anything with them? 504 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:42,080 That's the only way to get a hold of him, because lots of people are pretending they are him and it's not him. 505 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:53,080 Also, if you ever want to get a hold of me and get a hold of me on Facebook dot com forward slash the Angel Rock and I have two groups, Paranormal University for many of the things Robin and I are talking about right now. 506 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,080 And then the Angel Rocker tribe for many of the spirituality type things. 507 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,080 Other than that, I'm just doing podcasts, trying to get my resin business launched. 508 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,080 And yeah, but thank you for having me. 509 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:11,080 Not a problem. I look forward to watching the Angel Rock tomorrow night as per normal. 510 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:20,080 I know who my guest is, but my authors that I'm having on so I can guarantee is going to be interesting because the person I'm trying to find I have my resin. 511 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:28,080 I have my resin journal and I'm trying to see where I put it was right here. I was going to show you guys some of it. Oh, here it is. 512 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:36,080 So these are some of the things I make. This does not do it justice. This is all hand painted and poured with resin. So it doesn't have to be pink and purple. 513 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,080 It's actually holographic, but these are the type of things I do on my spare time. 514 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,080 Nice. Nice. 515 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:53,080 I have a spiritual line. So I'm making some pendulums. I have runes. I have chakra stones. 516 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:59,080 I have crystal reiki and I will reiki them with different crystals like charging plates. 517 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:05,080 And then I have like you name it. I have over 200 molds. So I'm looking right now to get the store set up. 518 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,080 So I will make sure I let a very nuances open. 519 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:14,080 Yes, and make sure you let us know and we'll put it on our link tree talking with the sword as well for you. 520 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,080 Thank you. I find with you went by too quick. 521 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,080 I did indeed, didn't it? 522 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:27,080 But this Noraly, I want to thank you again for coming on. It was quite a short notice compared to what we usually do. 523 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,080 No problem. 524 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:34,080 And like I say, you'll be on again quite a few times, I'm sure, because we've got a lot to talk about. 525 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:38,080 I know we always do. 526 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:43,080 But I let you go for now and I shall. I shall see you on the Angel Rock tomorrow night. 527 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,080 All right. For sure. Thanks, Robin. 528 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,080 Thanks for coming on. 529 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,080 Thank you. 530 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:54,080 Thanks. Bye. 531 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,080 Right, people. That was a great episode. I could talk to that lady for hours. She's absolutely fantastic. 532 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:07,080 She is a great friend of ours here talking with the source. And honestly, honestly, do check her stuff out because I can't say it enough. 533 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,080 She is fantastic. Thanks to everybody who was watching, who commented. 534 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:19,080 And please, like I say, at the start of the show, please do go and check out global ghost hunt dot com. 535 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,080 A lot of stuff coming up as well on that. 536 01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,080 And please do go to talking with the source link tree. 537 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:36,080 There's a lot of stuff on there as well. Follow our individual channels, Half-Horn Paranormal, Coventry Circle Paranormal, My Journey Paranormal and all the other things as well. 538 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:55,080 But for now, from talking with the source, until next time, it's goodbye. 539 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:16,080 Bye.