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What's going on everybody?

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Welcome to another episode of Talking With The Source. With me, Robin from Half-Firms Paranormal on Talking With The Source and our guest host.

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I'm Dani from Paracrypt. How are you all?

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Yay! AJ can't make it tonight. Business is booming. So you're left with us two. He may pop in and out, but if he's wearing a dress as well, just ignore it.

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Bit of lipstick and all that. Anyway, we have a great show tonight, Jani. We have a fantastic show. But just first of all, Global Ghost Hunt. Check it out. We're full up for May, but we are available for October. So please check out globalghosthunt.com. Are you ready, Jani?

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I'm ready. I'm excited. I'm super excited. And I'm really excited to check out the Global Ghost Hunt too and jump on that for October. I didn't really know anything about it until you guys were here.

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Yeah. I actually forgot to mention it to you when we started talking for obvious reasons because I was too busy, like, you know, cramming myself and stuff like that. So.

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I sorted that out pretty quickly, didn't I? She is a hell of a...

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What do you call them? I forgot now.

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What do you call them? Oh my god. What are you calling me?

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She is a hell of a counselor. But anyway, without further ado, let's bring Shannon Rogers on. Shannon Rogers. Woohoo! Shannon! Hello, hello. Hello. How are you? How are you?

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I'm good. I'm in a much better mood after the most fun backstage with you guys. It's going to be a fun show.

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Were you talking to us backstage? I don't know. I talk to myself a lot. Who knows?

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I was just sitting there and some strange woman came in and I was like...

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You got the strange, right?

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I was having a vision. I was like, what about the vision?

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I feel like deja vu now.

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I know. Like we've done this before.

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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to start off with a question and then obviously, Janne, I have a few questions out of it.

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But it's the obvious first one. When did you first get into the paranormal and what happened?

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I would say around 2011 is when I first got into metaphysical first. I realized that was an intuitive empath.

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I just couldn't figure out why. I just knew I felt way too much and I had no prior influence to anything along this realm.

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I just I couldn't understand. People aren't supposed to feel like this. I just knew it.

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Then I went to Scotland back in 2014 and I had a life changing ancestral experience there.

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That's why I'm going back in October.

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That's when I started. It was more than just being an intuitive empath.

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I started seeing things and like shadow figures, hearing things, coming into my in between that place between laying down to go to sleep and actually being in a dead sleep.

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And then I went on my first paranormal investigation four years ago and I have been just like I was like, there's a place for people like us to get together and like camaraderie.

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I was so naive. But you know, I yeah. So I mean, I just know normally they call out this in asylum.

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It was like a virtual asylum.

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Yeah, exactly. And so I just you know, I just love connecting with spirit and it's just something I could never walk away completely from no matter what.

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And you know, I'm taking a little break right now from doing my podcast just for family reasons and everything.

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But it's something I can never walk away from and let go. It's just you know.

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Yeah, absolutely. So, Johnny, you have a few questions, haven't you?

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Yeah, first of all, sorry. Every time I drink juice, I always end up with frog fruit.

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Yeah. So just basically just to tell a bit about yourself in the sense of, you know, you said that you came into your gifts late.

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Yeah. Like, tell us a bit about your journey into that.

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I mean, as a child, I was an empath and didn't even know it.

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I just you know, when you I think when as a very young, young child, when you go through a lot of trauma,

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you and that's when you're still developing your mind and your true self and who you are going to be in this world.

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When you go through something really traumatic, I think it kind of makes you use other senses to kind of fill out the environment in the situations.

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And so I grew up empathic. I just didn't know what that meant. I just always have.

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But yeah, it was quite a journey. It was a lot of honestly misery because I just felt so different than the rest of the world.

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I really, really did. I had social anxiety. I would practice like I remember being in high school before I would talk to and I'm a social butterfly now.

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I was in high school and I would like try to talk to people.

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I would rehearse that sentence that I was going to say.

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And then when by time I would open my mouth to say it, it came out all crazy.

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Like I just because I knew what people were thinking when I would say it.

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I could feel what they were thinking and stuff.

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So it was just a weird thing that I just thought I was really weird and different.

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But, you know, then being able to know I was in Colorado and I was a compliance officer in the marijuana industry and on the medical side.

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And I had a patient come in and she was my first mentor and she's just like puts her elbow down on the countertop and she looks at me and slides her card.

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And she's like, I was supposed to meet you.

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And I'm like, oh, yeah, like you're supposed to meet me.

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But, you know, I went to my I read the book, The Law of Attraction by Jerry and Esther Hicks and that right there.

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It taught me how to get goosebumps just now. How to understand what energy is in spirit.

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You know, I think you have to really understand what energy is and how it works.

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So after reading that, that's when I met Lisa.

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And she was like, come on, you're going to go with me to some meetups, you know, some conventions to some classes and stuff.

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So we took classes on past life regression.

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We did meetups where we would just learn.

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I went to a class on how to conduct the stay on.

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And when we got there, they're like, I bet you thought we were going to do a stay on.

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We're not. They said it's dangerous.

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But they did teach us how to open a portal almost and then close it.

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I've done a lot of this weird different training and everything, but it was like such man, I just to really start to understand what is going on with yourself for the first time.

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And really excited about it and getting positive feedback and support.

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And with that, that grows, you know, that pinot gland starts opening up and stuff.

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Hey, Brian. Hey, guys.

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Brian Loverty is in the room. Yes, he is.

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Mr. Para Post himself and Diana is in the room.

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Jani, did you see that? I did.

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I just spotted her.

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Hi, everyone.

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So what you were saying there, Shannon, really is it's we resonate with that on most podcasts because it wasn't really socially acceptable.

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When I say back in the day, but I'm even talking like 20 years ago, if you even said, you know, right.

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Well, you know, I can see ghosts.

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People are like, you know, your parents and your parents to be like, you're talking a lot of nonsense.

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You know, got me a room.

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Actually, that's the whole part is people believe me now when I say there's spirit right there.

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History real quick. Yeah.

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I remember sending my dad, I got a picture of a photograph of one really, really good photograph and I showed that nearly everybody.

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I remember sending my dad, oh, I caught one photograph.

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He was like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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I was like, look at that. He was like.

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Anyway, I was like, no, not anyway.

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Explain it. He was like, anyway.

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I mean, he wouldn't even talk about it.

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It just wasn't so you accept that all.

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But I'm probably the black sheep of the family.

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I just had no clue that this world even existed.

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I really didn't. I mean, I lived a pretty boring sheltered life.

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I mean, growing up and stuff and we were pretty basic with the basic life growing up.

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And for the you know, for the most part, there were moments in my life that were pretty chaotic and traumatic.

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But, you know, as a child, but for the most part, it was just a normal, boring life.

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But I just didn't have that influence, you know, that wasn't on TV back then.

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You know, I mean, it's only forty five.

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So growing up, it just wasn't around. It was never talked about.

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So I just always remember they can like there's something I'm so different.

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I'm just so different. I've always felt like I was just different.

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But the connecting I think that it was through my.

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Realization, because I think anyone can.

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Has the can obtain the ability to connect with spirit in certain ways.

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You just have to get there. You have to open yourself up.

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And I think through starting the way I did, reading that book and, you know,

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and then going from that book to go on to classes and practicing cards,

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practicing, doing all the different things and actually trying to connect.

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It's like, you know, you can create these abilities that you can open them up.

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You can open, you know, tap into those areas. But, you know.

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Do you think it's more of like a personal journey?

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I know that for me, I, I, you know, my mom used to say to me, you know,

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it's just a part of your imagination. It's OK.

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But then do you find that as you've grown up,

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not knowing anything has helped you to learn more?

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I mean, kind of in a way I was just said I just was oblivious to anything like this.

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I just thought I was really just I was just weird.

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And I was a little weird, sweet, little, weird, quiet girl.

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But, yeah, I don't know. It's just it's just really hard to explain what it was like as a child.

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It's, you know, and I, I really.

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For the people that are natural born with gifts and stuff like that,

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that just always fascinates me because I had to work on it.

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I had to build myself. I had to grow with it.

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So it's an evolution, I guess, you know.

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And so it's always fascinated me. People that have known from an early, early age.

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I just knew I was weird. That was I didn't I connected.

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I tapped into like anyone someone's line as a child.

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I knew when someone wasn't going to come over when they said they would.

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I knew when someone's intentions were bad. I knew when I would say something,

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I look at just feeling that person's energy and demeanor.

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I knew what they were thinking and meant, but I didn't understand that.

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I didn't even like I didn't wrap my head around.

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That's just how I was. And I thought and that's why I thought I was just so different and weird.

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And now it's like, yeah, it's such it's a blessing in a tool.

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Weird.

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You know, it's like, you know, it's like, sorry, it's just I guess like like Diana said there,

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you've always been treated differently when when you would have claimed that you had something like that.

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People always sort of look at it differently. And it's like, you know, why should it be?

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You could go out there and could be a world class ballroom dancer.

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But you wouldn't believe that differently. You know, I mean, you go out there and be a world champion boxer.

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But all people are going to say is you're good at your sport.

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You're not treated no differently. So why, you know, why be treated differently in this?

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I just didn't know what it was. I didn't even have the first inkling

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that I might connect to energy or spirit.

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That wasn't even like in my thought process of my world. It was nowhere involved in there.

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So what are you left with when you don't have any bit of an influence influencing those thoughts even, you know, create like, hey, maybe this is what's going on.

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So I was just. Yeah, awkward.

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Awkward would be the thing to say, because it's like when it's hard to, you know,

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growing up with all the influences of being an adolescent and all the pressures of being an adolescent and being accepted

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and the social environment of schools and how cruel people can be.

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And then when you know what someone's reactions are to what you're saying or the way you're behaving or whatever, you know what?

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They're intent. Intent is very important when you can tell by, you know, when you can feel that that just makes you even just more like, OK, I'm not going to talk anymore.

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And but I didn't understand that. I just thought that was a normal thing and that I just wasn't normal.

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You begin to look at your peers, don't you? And you begin to see to see how, you know, just how differently they respond to things, even just sitting in the classroom.

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You would begin to see how, you know, oddly, you would read the room and they just weren't.

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And you're like, how can you not see that? How can you not understand that? So I get that.

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But my question to you then is, what does energy mean to you? So when you are reading energy, what does that mean for you?

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How do you interpret it? How is it that you, you know, how is that energy absorbed by you? Those sorts of things.

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Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.

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Energy to me is like everything is energy, everything in this whole world, atoms, everything like a piece of everything is made up of energy.

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Your thought love is energy, everything that you, you know, your thought process.

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That's why you got to be really careful about what you're thinking, because it is energy and you put it out in the universe.

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That's why you got to retrain yourself to be positive, which I have to do that cycle every few years, which I'm due to start getting back positive again.

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But energy to me is just, that's why spirit is just it's an essence almost in a way.

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It's it's a whole, we even explain it just exists.

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And that's what everything is. And we have all this energy vibrating and moving around each other.

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That's why it's, you know, it's so when someone's thinking something, they're submitting that, you know, about you and their demeanor.

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When you put that together, that's, you know, that's energy. Like I can I know what your energy is saying to me.

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You know, so it's just like I've learned to read people's body language without even knowing I'm doing it.

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I've learned to read people's facial expressions. I've learned the way someone eyeballs turn, you know, like a different direction.

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You know, so that energy to me is it's a vibe, you know, it's a frequency.

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The observant side of it, but like for you to interpret that, what is it that you do to read it?

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I just feel it. I'm a feeler. Yeah, not with my hands, but I am.

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I absorb energy around me all the time. It's just that I'm connected to energy, especially traumatic energy, which is more connected to traumatic energy.

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I'm more likely to get visited by things that are traumatic.

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But yeah, I just feel it. I feel it. And then it's now it's more than just feeling.

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Once I feel it, I'm seeing it. I can visualize like I don't even have to see that apparition. I can see it without even being a full bodied apparition because of the energy projected.

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Does that make sense? And it's just yeah, 100. It makes sense to me because I'm the same.

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But for anybody out there who is coming into their gifts or who has never or doesn't understand what they're going through, you know, for me to be able to ask these questions, it's OK for me to give my interpretation.

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But for somebody across the world to give them a different interpretation as well, it's really important for people coming into themselves.

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So that's why I was sort of just getting to that question. Well, it's great questions. I like it. You're making me think and I like that.

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It's something that something that we can all learn from as well. Exactly.

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Thank God for this for this community, because I tell you, you meet some great people on it like Scotty over there in the chat.

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What's up, Scotty? I see you.

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I get to meet Scotty finally in October at the Fearfest Paraclone in New Orleans.

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So that's going to be exciting. I have to watch my leg, though.

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But they changed the dates. So that's got 11. So that was it worked out.

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So I'll be able to do that and still make my trip to Scotland because that trip to Scotland is it's I when I was going through all these changes, like I need to go back to where it really all started.

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I was passed down. I know, girl, I'm getting the chills all over my body.

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I know that when I was there, what I experienced and what happened to me out of nowhere, I wasn't expecting it because I have I think I'm almost right under 40 percent Scottish.

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But being over there, like it was just insane. And when I was in Edinburgh, we were going to do a tour one night of the catacombs and all that kind of stuff.

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That was cool, doing the catacombs and everything. Yeah, they're good.

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And you got the fog and the cobblestones at night and they're all in period clothing and.

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Hell yeah. And so and we had had some scots, not too much, just because, you know, we're on vacation and they asked for a volunteer.

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And I'm like, I got you. I'm your girl. I'm your girl.

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And so I get up there and everything they were saying that what they would do to which is what I had happened to me in my in between.

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And that was the first time I had one of those moments in my sleep.

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You know, as I said, I call that place in between because what happened the night before we did the tour,

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we were saying at the Holiday Inn Express on the world mile and I went to sleep and.

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What would we call a dream, I guess, is I had this like swallows like jump in and like biting my fingers, but they weren't biting with teeth.

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They were squeezing my fingers so hard that my nails were popping off.

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And I was just like, what the hell is going on? And then, you know, through the progression of this experience,

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then I was like, my hands were down towards my feet and I was bent over and people kept pushing me and I couldn't make sense of it.

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You know, I was this is why I was interpreting in the way the message was coming across, but I didn't know that was going on.

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So I'm getting goosebumps again was just I can't explain the trauma in the heartache that I felt.

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So I mean, like when I was and I know and like it's a dream or not, because I'll usually wake up going, you know, just hey, Facebook user.

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I usually just wake up gasping. But I woke up so traumatized, even just something that simple.

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But I felt the emotion of it. I was kicked my heels so hard in the bed.

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I threw my back up against the headboard and was like freaking.

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I felt I felt like I just went through the worst thing in my life.

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And then I woke my ex up and he was like, are you OK? And I explained to him everything that I experienced.

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And then and I thought it was a dream.

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So the next night when we're standing there and they asked for a volunteer and I get up there and they said, well, if you have like a mole, freckles, red hair, you know, you were considered a witch.

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And if you wouldn't admit it, they would put wooden vices on your fingers and squeeze them until your fingernails would pop off.

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And this is what they told us. But I was looking at my ex and he looked at me and we're just like, what the hell?

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Because I explained I explained to him was like, they're not biting their squeeze and they're putting it's like my nails are off.

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And yeah, well, then they got to the part where they can if you still want to admit that you are a witch, they would make walk this plank with your hands tied to your your ankles, your wrists, your ankles, and they would push you over.

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And that's when I was like, I can't get the chills going.

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But that's when I got goosebumps everywhere.

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That's I love that experience because it meant something to me.

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I know that my ancestors, especially because they were from around that area, like I knew that they were speaking to me.

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I didn't really fully understand that at the time.

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But now that things progressed, that's when I started having different experiences.

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So I'm going back in October for eight days and actually one of them, the clouds is going because that's when the clouds and McCoy's is going to have an investigation and ask me to join on Halloween night in Sterling where they would do the beheadings and the witch trials and everything.

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So I'm excited about that.

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But my purpose was to go back and go the exact same place at Edinburgh where it all kind of began for me in a way for it really started to begin.

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And I just want to say thank you.

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What will you have of me next?

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Like, you know, so it's more of a pilgrimage to.

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I want to honor that and go back and say, OK, what else can you show me or give me because I'm ready to progress more.

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Did you do Mary King's clothes?

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Scott.

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I'm sorry?

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Did you do Mary King's clothes?

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Mary King's clothes.

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Yeah, I'm going to say no.

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I went to the castle.

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But if you on the Royal Mile up near the top of the Royal Mile, you've got you've got Holyrood Palace at the bottom.

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Well, up near the top of the town near where the where the vaults are, there's like a little underground city thing that you can go for a tour in.

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Yeah, I went I went down there.

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Yes.

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Yeah, that's fantastic down there.

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Yeah, it was. That was just like.

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That was like before I was like, did he kind of ghost hunting or anything?

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Hey, Matt. So it was a really unique experience.

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Like, I put myself in a really epic situation, especially from someone from the United States to be in the world mile in the catacombs doing all that stuff.

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At the time, like if I was a paranormal investigator, then I would have been like, what I'm doing?

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But, you know, it's kind of epic. It really is to travel across the country and to go do something like that from, you know, your ancestral land and stuff.

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So, yeah, I'm going back. I'm definitely going back and I'm going to just like.

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I want to see what else they can show me and I want to do it there and give my thanks and appreciation.

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So see, this is where I want to take Johnny when she comes over.

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This is like this. I think like healing as well.

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Healing your history as well and healing that part within yourself, because it's obviously, you know, you've obviously reincarnated and hence your gifts follow you.

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So, you know, I think that might be a big part of.

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Yeah, I think my ancestors, like, I mean, I really feel like they showed me what happened to them.

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Or maybe it was shown and I like it was just in the most weird, unique way.

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And like more as I evolve as a person, I know that was a message.

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And I'm going back. I'm going back. And that's Eileen talking about camping.

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Oh, I remember like three years ago when they had the worst ice storm in like the United States in the lower half.

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And everybody was like for 10 days, iced over and stuck.

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Well, I took David Childers and Eileen Jones on a camping.

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We had planned it for a few months. We were going.

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So we were pitching our tent in snow. So she gives me a hard time about like taking her like an ice storm to go camping.

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But you know what? We had fun, Eileen. You can't take from that. It's always an adventure.

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Oh, I'm a bit. Oh, it is, David.

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And you know what? Whatever goes, so long as you're going for the right reasons.

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Yeah, that's a pretty good reason to me.

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Oh, it was fun though, because we got a bonfire and they were burning tires.

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Thanks, David. Like my lungs appreciated that. So this girl and I, Chris, we got to gather firewood as anywhere as we could.

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We were looking for it. We come back. They're burning tires.

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Breathing that in. I was sick for a week, stuck in ice in a haunted hotel because after I left there, I tried to make it home and I couldn't make it all the way.

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So I stopped in Jefferson, the Jefferson Hotel. So it wasn't the worst place in the world to be iced in.

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But I was sick half the time in bed because of breathing that damn toxic tire smoke.

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But we had fun. We had bonfires and drinks. So.

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And that sounds like a great, a great event. Mine was mine was minus seven. That's about as cold as I've had to go.

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No, minus seven. That was in Australia.

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You know, yeah, that's that's we don't really get much snow there.

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Oh, you're talking Celsius. Yes.

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OK, because I was like negative seven camping. Wow. I'm thinking Fahrenheit, which is who?

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That would be Fahrenheit.

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Well, freezing would be 32 degrees Fahrenheit is considered freezing.

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So to be negative seven, I was like, wow, you're a trooper.

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I felt like I was a trooper. I was in the tent.

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We had a lot of activity. We put a lot on film that that way.

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Well, I can investigate in the cold. I did the Dumas Brothel up in Butte, Montana.

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Probably the most epically interactive haunted place I've ever experienced.

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And I want to go back. But it was so cold.

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It was I think six or seven degrees and it was just as cold outside was inside as it was outside.

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And then, man, but it was like I had my thermals on and my like

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big puffy clothes, my suit on and I love it.

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We're trying to get Johnny around the world a bit here.

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So obviously, at some point, she's coming to the UK to investigate with us.

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But when you go to America, when you go to America, Johnny, look up Shannon.

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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It would be good. It would be good.

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I'm heading over. I'm hoping to head over at the end of the year, if not the beginning of next year.

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But yeah, just we've just got so much that we've got planned planning and lining up.

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The list is growing. I haven't investigated much this year.

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I really haven't. I stopped doing the events with Paranormal Exploration of America.

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It was just too much. The traveling and I started a really good job working from home,

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which turned me into a hermit. But like I won't go outside my door for like two or three weeks.

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It's not healthy. So I'm trying to make myself get out.

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But I don't investigate as much as I used to. I mean, during COVID,

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I was investigating one to three locations a week.

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But I was like, oh, I'm on the road. I'm getting that.

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I got unemployment in the US. Yeah. So that was fun.

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But I said you can look someone else up now when you go to America and then you can investigate there at all.

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Yeah. Yeah, it would be good. It would be good. I'd love to like just go out.

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And, you know, there's there's so many paranormal investigation teams that I just have zero interest in, you know,

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and I think you probably understand what we're talking about backstage.

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You know, like I just but yeah, I think I can resonate with you.

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You understand, you know, things on that level.

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And so, yeah, I'm I'm keen to do that. I'm really keen to do that.

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Yeah, I just want to investigate with small personal groups that are put together, you know, and just I just don't have.

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I mean, I might join some public events. No, no big deal at all. I just don't have them anymore.

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And because the last one was just, you know, just sat in the back, you know, it was just I had to make some changes

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and take a little hiatus for a while and, you know, reassess what is important to me and what my.

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What did you bring from that? What happened when you went through that? What did you come out with of of with that?

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Well, taking the break and pulling back.

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I just I don't know, because I think you get so caught up in the love and the excitement and the unity, you know, the camaraderie, whatever.

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And I just got kind of pulled into this world that, you know, when there are negative things that come up in my life,

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it bothers me internally. I really internalize things like that.

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And so when I would have negative experiences, it would be was ruining what my root core of why I was doing this was, you know, and I took it so personally.

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So I just had to back out and really realign with what I want to do with my life.

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What do I want to do with spirit? You know, what is important to me?

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So that's, you know, I'm not like angry at the world.

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I just really had to start getting right with myself and, you know, what my intentions are and, you know, what?

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Like I said, what matters? That's why we took a break from the show.

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Jen and I just have so many other things going on. It's not a dead project.

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It's just put it on hold right now. You know, got a lot of family health issues and, you know, moving and just a lot of different elements.

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It's like I really, you know, I've just got to make sure I maintain my core, which is my family, which is my personal, like my job.

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I have to take care of those things now as well.

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And friends that I've had for three or four decades that I wasn't as close to that I kind of pushed on the back burner for a while.

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I'm re-engaging in those relationships. They're always so important to me.

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So finding balance is I think is really key to find balance and just not to have too much anger about the way other people are, even though it's frustrating.

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So I'm learning to just let it be, let it be.

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Yeah, yeah, I think it strengthens you as well.

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You know, I know for me when I get dragged down or dragged out or pulled back from, you know, from certain things and especially my gifts,

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even in the moments when you try and shunt yourself away from him, like, I don't want to deal with this.

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I'm not listening. I'm cutting myself off.

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Give me a break. Yeah, like you do kind of you do end up going through a series of cocooning.

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And we need to do that. We need to go through that in order to to evolve within our gifts.

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And also learning that, you know, some of the bad decisions I made, you know, even though I had the best intent,

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were partly my fault for letting them happen and engaging in scenarios like I did,

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even though the treatment wasn't right. You know, I. So basically what I'm saying is I vest my experiences a lot better.

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I analyze and really think about what I'm putting myself in situations.

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I'm putting myself in think with both hand heart, you know, because I don't want to get caught up in the hyper.

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Yeah, I just want to say I'm really bad. You know, this last year and it was just like, oh, the public just discord.

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It was just like, oh, gosh, I don't want anything to do with this for a while.

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But now it's like none of that even matters. It's just I just I need to trust and love myself more.

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Not to be more cautious of situations I allow myself to get into.

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So I have you know, it's half my fault. Perfectly.

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And also, you know, when you're going through these things, the energy that you are radiating out,

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you know, where do you find that that that puts you, you know, so I know for me that sometimes when I will go through these stages.

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So my father just passed away last year and I've mourned and gone through all of these processes, you know,

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and then had covid and all sorts of stuff and like my house really derailed.

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And now I'm I'm kind of at that point where I'm like, I'm good now. I'm actually OK.

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But my life, because I've been stuck in that headspace for the last year,

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I can't seem to challenge forward because I've been stuck in that headspace.

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How is that? Does that process, you know, happen with you as well?

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How does that happen for you? How do you find your you internalize?

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And then it comes to fruition. Yeah.

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Even though I've been doing the podcast, like I still have been isolated myself from the I think the paranormal community for the most part.

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I really have. I mean, there's no way to say it. I had to have some healing going on.

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So I'm still in the process of stepping back out.

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But with boundaries and limiting how much of myself I put forward, you know, being my true what I put forward,

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my true self, but just, you know, like I said, balance, having that balance is so important.

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So I'm still in the process of, you know, I'm just going to create my experiences instead of being

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just thrown into experiences, if that makes any sense.

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I'm going to get to choose my environment and choose, you know, what I want my experiences to be and put my intent towards that.

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So I just got to, you know, take a little take a little break, man.

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I had me a little breakdown. I had to be in my room.

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I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, and I'm going to ask this question to both of you.

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Right. Do you not find that as you evolve in this field, you're you're if you want to call it intuitions also evolve as in like people you would work with.

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You know, when I first started out and any random team came to you and were like, we'll work with it.

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And you're thinking to yourself, yeah, we're going somewhere. Someone wants to work with us.

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And you'll work with all these different teams.

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You'll pick up bad habits or, you know, you'll get a bad name for yourself because you work with people who maybe fake stuff or whatever.

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And, you know, but I think as it goes on, people will say, you know, well, we'll work with you and you'll think to yourself, we'll see.

384
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000
You know what I mean?

385
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,000
But we're whereas people will come to you and they'll say, yeah, we'll work with you.

386
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,000
And you're like, yeah, all right. And then all the ones that come and they'll say the same and we'll be like, no, no.

387
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:08,000
You can pick. You can start picking and choosing if that makes sense of who you actually want to work with and who you don't.

388
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:22,000
I think evolving for me is, you know, there's people out there who, you know, who will claim that they're experienced, you know, or, you know, they came into their gifts quite late in life.

389
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:30,000
And then when you go investigating with them, you kind of realize that it's just a delusional representation of what they want to believe.

390
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:39,000
And then you've got those who are like, you know, just who it's the quiet ones.

391
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:54,000
It's the reserved ones. It's the ones who was just so petrified about allowing themselves to feel, you know, those are the ones that I'll go out with because those are the ones that I like to to help bring themselves out to flourish in their gifts.

392
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:10,000
You know, but it's evolution in my gifts. I know that I have gone from being, you know, a ghost hunter into evolving into this completely different gift.

393
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:18,000
What so you know that that I go Bush now, a lot of my stuff I'll do in the bush. I go and I'll Sasquatch, as you call it.

394
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:27,000
I do all sorts of stuff. I find all sorts of things in the bush like old old sacred sites and stuff like that.

395
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:37,000
But for me, it's evolving. It depends on the again, it does depend on the energy that you can exchange within a team.

396
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Nine times out of 10, I really just can't. It's not that I can't. I just find that respecting the authenticity of a team is very hard for me to to to grasp.

397
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:58,000
It's funny you say that because it you know, one of the reasons I quit doing events is because I found that I said I found myself sitting in the back.

398
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:04,000
I'm never going to call someone else. I'm never going to be that person because I'm not one to judge if someone's authentic or not.

399
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
I've placed but it just got to there was a school some situations.

400
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:14,000
I'm just I'm just I didn't want to be a part of what I was seeing because I didn't I couldn't buy with it.

401
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000
But I'm not going to. Oh, you know. And yes, I see what you're saying.

402
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Like, I'm not like I don't walk around with like pinging gifts like this, like, you know, like and throwing out energy rays and they're reflecting back and spirits whispering in my ear.

403
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:39,000
I don't live like that. It's when they choose to present themselves or show themselves or tell me something or, you know, it's just like the worst thing someone can do is to get in my face and go, can you read me?

404
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,000
And like back up that right there already just canceled any kind of energy.

405
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Yeah, it's invasive. It's very invasive. And it's it's not the way it works.

406
00:38:51,000 --> 00:39:00,000
You know, not for myself. You can't force that interaction. So like if I have something to say or if I see something or whatever, you know, I share it.

407
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:09,000
But it's not like I don't walk around like like this guru ability, you know, like I just don't do that.

408
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,000
It's just it happens. It definitely happens. And the biggest thing was learning to trust.

409
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
And I have a lot of people going, no, I think you're a psychic. I'm like, no, I'm not.

410
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,000
I'm an intuitive impact that have mediumship qualities is what I like to say.

411
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:31,000
You know, it's just I'm not one of those sit there and be approached to read someone like Jen can do that. I can't do that.

412
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:40,000
It's invasive to me to be approached. Now I have I have helped people through that process, but it was because what they were going through is all his traumatic situations.

413
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,000
I was able to help them. I like helping spirit. I like helping spirit versus helping humans a lot of time,

414
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,000
because they get left in the dark, you know, and they need healing, too.

415
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:57,000
You know, energy, energy never goes away. It doesn't dissipate. It is just form. That's it.

416
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:03,000
So, yeah, yeah. No, I agree with that. And it is spirit.

417
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:09,000
You know, I think Sam, Sam Thomas has just said, you know, like it's not up to it's not up to me.

418
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,000
It's up to the spirits if they let me. And that is really, really true.

419
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:21,000
You know, I was sort of helping somebody before like last weekend and I was like, you know, you need to think the spirit that's come through,

420
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:28,000
because without them, I can't bridge the message to you, you know, and if they don't show me, then then I can't help you.

421
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,000
You know, so it is the spirit. One hundred percent. It is the spirit.

422
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:41,000
And if they don't if they don't bring what they want us to the energy, if they don't bring us the energy, the visuals, the you know,

423
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,000
they don't talk to us any of the any of the ways in which they can communicate with us.

424
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,000
There's nothing we can do. You know, we can pick up energy and read it,

425
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
but it's not always going to be as accurate without them coming to us.

426
00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Be an intuitive empath like I have. OK, so have you ever said, OK, shadow figures used to line my walls at night.

427
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:10,000
I had to. And then if I go to sleep, then I'm seeing almost like, look, if a kid did a drawing in the black background

428
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,000
with neon lights as the drawings and they're like faces doing all this and I'm or, you know,

429
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,000
if I'm opening a door and that in between state, that means a tons of spirits are coming in.

430
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Like it's always like, again, I'm opening a door and people are coming in and I'm welcome.

431
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000
I'm like, OK, you know what you just did? Like you're bringing.

432
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,000
But always like because I have had spirits like.

433
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Like, yeah, on the show, it shows one time they're trying, you know,

434
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,000
translation of it or, you know, I had something negative like and yeah, long story.

435
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:51,000
But you ever put your boundaries up so much or like, man, I wish that would start happening again.

436
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Even though I don't, but I do.

437
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000
It's just like, you know, sometimes you put your boundaries up so much in this for protection.

438
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:05,000
But I do miss because I had to tell the shadow figures, let me sleep like you just stay in line in the walls,

439
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
like all the way around the room all the time.

440
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,000
And I'm like, I need to work in the morning like let me.

441
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Sorry, let me break. And you know, it's like you can talk to me in the morning.

442
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
My sleep is important. You're not allowed to do this anymore.

443
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
And it just kind of stopped. And sometimes I miss that.

444
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Not in the moment when it's happening, but then like, as you know, when you have an experience, it's always like, oh, you know.

445
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Yeah, you know, I think a lot of times the spirit has to have the trust with you.

446
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000
And obviously you have the trust with the spirit because it may sound strange.

447
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:45,000
People thinking, you know, well, it's just you talking to a dead person, but there's still that trust there.

448
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,000
That spirit won't give you the information you want if they don't have that trust with you and vice versa.

449
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:57,000
So it still does work a lot of the way like it did when they were alive.

450
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Howard, you're a mess. Sorry. It's so distracting.

451
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:11,000
I'm always like, oh, what is Howard saying today?

452
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
Howard's my mother.

453
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000
I sleep with this thing.

454
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000
But yeah, I sometimes and it's.

455
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Yeah, I go through times when things get really quiet for a while and all the same, I really miss that and boom, something starts happening again.

456
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:35,000
You know, it's just and I try to tell people just, you know, like houses don't have to have someone die there.

457
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
They can, you know, like spirit is literally everywhere, everywhere.

458
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Like you don't have to go to a haunted location.

459
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,000
It's just what we do because it's a vested place that we want to have the experiences at.

460
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,000
But you don't have to go to like haunted locations to connect with energy, to connect with spirit.

461
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,000
It is everywhere. Just sometimes when you try to have those interactions, you got to be careful.

462
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
And I learned do not do that at your house. Don't do it.

463
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Don't do it where you live. Like like saying don't poop where you eat or something like that.

464
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Like your own home, man, because I had a world of craziness happen at a house I lived in.

465
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
And that's why I was on that show. It goes through in my life.

466
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:23,000
It was I had an insane experiences and I almost just moved into another house that I know was active.

467
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:30,000
And I'm like, that might have been a really bad situation that I would have put myself into of just some things you can't fix.

468
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
You know, and that's why I had to move out of that one house.

469
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Some things are just out of your hands. You need to back up and go away.

470
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,000
So I fold in, you know, on the show, it shows I was only there for like nine months or something.

471
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,000
I was there for two years, like 23 months, 23 and a half months.

472
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,000
And it just got to the next what drove me so deep into the paranormal field even more is because I was trying to figure it out.

473
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
But what I should have done is just move the hell out of there.

474
00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:01,000
That's what I was going to ask you next. I was moving on to next was do you want to tell the people who haven't actually seen that show

475
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,000
what your episode was actually about, what actually happened?

476
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:11,000
OK, so on a ghost through my life, it's Eli Roth presented it on Travel Channel and Discovery Plus.

477
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,000
It was a series premiere, season one, episode one. I looked horrible in that thing.

478
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,000
I was just I'm still talking about like, I can't believe even my daughter was like, Mom, they did you wrong.

479
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000
You look horrible. But anyways, it was about a house that I lived in.

480
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000
I was subleased in this home from someone.

481
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,000
They called me up and like, look, me and my girlfriend want to move in together. But this is a four bedroom house for a thousand dollars a month.

482
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
You know, maybe you can just move in, pretend to be roommates and you just kind of take over the lease.

483
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,000
And the landlord just think we're roommates, even though I won't live there anymore.

484
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:49,000
And so, OK, well, right after I moved in, this person's brother had committed suicide, not at the location like I showed on the show.

485
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:56,000
But that's when things got crazy, because, you know, the person I was subleasing from had lived there for like five years.

486
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:01,000
And his brother was just there. And I mean, it just oh, gosh.

487
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
And I knew there was a little lady there. I've picked that up right when I was there.

488
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000
She was like, this is mine. She did it all on her own.

489
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,000
I described what she looked like to the landlord one day. And he was like, yeah, that's that was what she looked like.

490
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Because I sense the pride she had is I did this on my own. This is mine.

491
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,000
It's like a rural ranch style house and by the lake.

492
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,000
No, it wasn't like the house they had on the show. My gosh, I wish I would have dealt with bad energy if they live in that house.

493
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:31,000
But I don't know. It just it kind of opened up a portal of just negative stuff happening.

494
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,000
And the more I tried to figure it out, the worse it got. I guess I fed it energy.

495
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
You know, I was a lot less. I was a little bit more novice back then.

496
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:49,000
So I was feeding it, you know, just my curiosity, my, you know, acknowledging it with the fear levels of things that I had happened.

497
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:54,000
And I was like, I'm laying in bed one night and I could see my then he was too, you know, was he too?

498
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,000
I mean, one and a half, two years old. His bedroom was catty cornered from me down the hall.

499
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
I could see his door and in the kitchen I had the Vinnahood light on.

500
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,000
So there's a little bit of hall translate, you know, translating down the hallway. A little bit of light translate down the hallway.

501
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:16,000
And I see just billowing shadow figures walking out of his room, which is where the portal was, walking out of his room and going into the kitchen.

502
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000
And I was like, I was so scared that someone would stop in front of my door and just stare at me.

503
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,000
That was my first experience with shadow figures. And I'm just like, like, I was horrified.

504
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:33,000
I mean, and then I would see like there was like, you know, like a sparkler for fourth, like celebrations that they do not pretty quick.

505
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:41,000
A fraction of a second. What those sparks look like is what I was seeing coming out in the blue and amber colors coming out of that room.

506
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,000
And so I called someone and like, this is going on and like asking what they want and, you know, try to cross them over.

507
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,000
And I was like, I am not sitting down. I hope it's like 30 spirits.

508
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:55,000
I mean, I was like, I mean, anxiety big time, because, like I said, it wasn't just seeing them.

509
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:02,000
I was feeling this emotion. And that's what's just like it isn't always just seeing or having these experiences of how it makes you feel.

510
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,000
You know, and I was just like, I was, whoo, you out of my little boy's room.

511
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,000
And that's where and I but my little boy's room, that's where I saw the brother that had killed himself.

512
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,000
He was sitting on the bed in my son's room staring out the window.

513
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,000
When I walked in, I was just like, crazy. Stay where you're at.

514
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
You don't need to come visit because I'm talking about you, please.

515
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:31,000
But I saw him there, you know, it's just and so that to be in my son's room and then things just got just started.

516
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Something opened up and it was like the way I felt like it.

517
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:44,000
I feel like it was like a like a central station for things to get to where they're going to go, like a stopping point.

518
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Does that make sense? And it was really weird living in that house because you never knew what kind of energy I was laying on my stomach one time.

519
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:58,000
And I felt these in my leg was like hanging off the bed from like my knee below my knee down.

520
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:04,000
And I was just about to fall asleep and I felt two wiry hands like long fingers grab my ankle and pull.

521
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:11,000
And I'm like and then things that were seen at the house and other people witnessed it wasn't like, you know, 90 percent of things that happen.

522
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,000
Other people were there. I got thrown out of a chair like it was crazy stuff.

523
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,000
And I was scared to death. It was during covid. I had nowhere to go.

524
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:24,000
So, you know, my ex flew by night. We separated my son's dad.

525
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,000
We separated three months before our lease was up and people I left because I wasn't going to be in that environment anymore.

526
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:37,000
Well, he flew by night on the last month. So it ruined my rental history. So it was hard for me to rent a place.

527
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,000
So I had to kind of stay where I was at and then the lockdown trying to figure everything out.

528
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,000
So I felt I felt trapped in that house. I really, really, really did.

529
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,000
So I've lived in a house quite similar.

530
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,000
We were there for four and a half years, but had similar things.

531
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,000
And the people that moved in after us lasted nine months.

532
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:05,000
And then and then the rumors started that I would walk through walls and and I am I was a witch and all sorts of stuff.

533
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,000
And I do all sorts of lovely things in the house. And but it wasn't it was just there.

534
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000
And, you know, being a magnet for them, that the stuff was just off tap.

535
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:22,000
You know, I'd hold birthday parties for the kids and they would have, you know, you'd get the kids come running up the stairs.

536
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Oh, I've just seen this and I've just seen that.

537
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:33,000
And one of them described they saw a man, they looked out the bedroom window and on the neighbor's house, a man was standing there with a decapitated head in his hand.

538
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
And these guys are like six years old, seven years old.

539
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,000
You're kind of like probably not the thing that they would imagine at that age.

540
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Yeah, they have to believe in what they're saying, aren't you?

541
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Yeah, you like you don't see that, right?

542
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Well, my son, literally, I pulled up in the driveway and there's this app, what's it called?

543
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Marco Polo, where you can video chat each other and, you know, send videos to each other back and forth.

544
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,000
And I was driving back to the house. My roommate was watching my son while I went to the store or whatever I was doing.

545
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,000
And I was sitting in the driveway for a while talking, doing this video.

546
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:16,000
And I looked up and I see a little boy on my front porch, wearing like a swim top and swim shorts, a little Hispanic boy, about two or three years old.

547
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,000
And I'm just like, I got to let you go.

548
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,000
I know what I just seen. And then all of a sudden he was just he had his hands on this red porch chair that I had.

549
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,000
And he was just gone. And I'm like, what in the world?

550
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,000
So I reached out to goosebumps again.

551
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:39,000
I go inside and I'm talking to someone on the phone about what was going on. I think it was Beth Allen. I can't remember who I was talking to.

552
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:48,000
But I'm sitting there and then my son is in the living room playing and he's spinning in circles and like throwing toys in the air and laughing.

553
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,000
And I'm like, what the hell is he doing? He's interacting with that little boy.

554
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,000
But then what got weird is he looked at me because my son, you know, I left his dad when I was two months pregnant.

555
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
He has no idea what he had no idea what the word daddy even meant.

556
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,000
And he just looked at me. He goes, where's mommy and daddy?

557
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:15,000
And I'm like, yeah, so it's like I'm telling you, I've gotten goosebumps like crazy tonight or today.

558
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,000
It's not nice to you. It is. You'll grow the channel then.

559
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Oh, no. He's like, we'll go to the Waffle House and have breakfast.

560
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000
And he was like, why is that man crawling on the ceiling?

561
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,000
He came in the bathroom one time at my mom's place. We were upstairs and he opens the door and I'm like, hello.

562
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:38,000
I'm in the bathroom. He's like, why are the people from the other side of the mirror at the front door and who's buried under this building?

563
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,000
I'm really forward. I'm like, oh, no, this is how he talks.

564
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,000
And I don't talk shop around him. I don't talk about all this stuff around him.

565
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,000
So, yes, Howard, I'm definitely going to be at Fear Fest.

566
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,000
I was telling that earlier that I'm going to be a speaker there and it's going to be a really good time.

567
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,000
I'm really excited. What are the dates again, dear?

568
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Because I know it's not October.

569
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Get your tickets while they last.

570
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Get them, get them.

571
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Oh, man, I still got such a long day ahead.

572
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:19,000
I took off Monday and Tuesday from work because my dad's having surgery and I'm going to get some packing done as well.

573
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,000
And, you know, guys, send out some good vibes to my parents if you can.

574
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Having a lot of bad health issues and it's like my.

575
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
There you go.

576
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,000
I think on that note, too, I just want to say good luck with all of that.

577
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,000
You're on quite a quite a big journey, you know, for yourself and for your family.

578
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,000
And, you know, going through these is never easy.

579
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,000
And so I just want to send out my, you know, my well wishes and hope everything goes well.

580
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,000
And if you need someone to talk to, by all means, just contact me.

581
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
I'm good for things like that.

582
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,000
I believe in these years.

583
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,000
I was I was a snivel and wreck a couple of weeks ago.

584
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
Oh, I bet. Yeah.

585
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:12,000
I just want to cancel a podcast or a speaking appearance at a podcast at the

586
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000
two thousand twenty three West Texas Paracon.

587
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000
And they're good friends of mine, but I just had so much going on like with

588
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
the car wasn't working properly.

589
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000
My dad having surgery and it's coming up on the 12th.

590
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,000
And I'm like, I had the hardest thing I had to do was message them and tell them,

591
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,000
like, I just can't right now because I'm in the middle of moving.

592
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000
And I felt awful about it, completely awful about it.

593
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
But it was just like my dad takes care of my mom.

594
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
But he's the one that's going to be having his organ removed and all kinds of crazy stuff.

595
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,000
So, yeah, I'm not going to go too deep into that.

596
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,000
But yeah, any good vibes are welcome because I got to get them and absolutely.

597
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,000
And you'll get them all from us. Yeah. Yeah.

598
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Definitely. And it's like it's like anything in this in this community again.

599
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,000
You know, I mean, people people reach out for each other where it doesn't happen

600
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,000
anywhere else that I've I haven't witnessed anywhere else anyway.

601
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,000
I mean, you don't go on telling sob stories to get people saying, you know,

602
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:13,000
oh, God, love you enough. But you tell your story because you resonate with someone else.

603
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,000
And before you know it, you then become good friends with that person.

604
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
That person's helping you through. Yeah.

605
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:27,000
And then you go from from that to then someone else with the with similar kind of

606
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,000
of problems going on. It just it just sort of spreads out through.

607
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,000
You get a lot more a lot more friends and stuff in in this community than you do anywhere else.

608
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
And my opinion, it's just like a healing and compassion, isn't it?

609
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Like that's that's really you're in a world of empathic people. Yeah.

610
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,000
I think the people on their side as well.

611
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
The people can actually resonate where you're coming from.

612
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000
They understand where you're coming from because on a different level, you know,

613
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,000
journey into the paranormal. They've been through similar anyway.

614
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,000
Like my family, they don't get me like all my relatives and stuff.

615
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
They're not mean to me or anything, but they just don't.

616
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,000
I'm different than them completely. I'm more besides I'm more like my dad in Florida.

617
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:15,000
I've you know, I got my spirit from him. I got, you know, a lot of who I am from him.

618
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,000
So I don't I've never really lined up with my family from here.

619
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:23,000
If I didn't look like I'm not where I was adopted, but like just who I am as a person is just completely opposite.

620
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,000
I'm not talking about paranormal. So just in general, it's so opposite of them.

621
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,000
So it's always this like awkward vibe. It's still love.

622
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,000
There's still love there and appreciation for each other, but it's just there's a disconnect and that's that's hard.

623
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:43,000
You know, so I think I was always like that until I found until I found my people

624
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:49,000
and they do begin to present when I don't know for whatever reason the universe thought I was ready,

625
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,000
but they do begin to present. And when you do, you know, that sisterhood starts and, you know,

626
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,000
I've got them around the world. And and for me, that's really important because I've needed that.

627
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,000
I grew up with all boys, you know, lots of siblings, lots of male mates.

628
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,000
I was one of the boys, you know, because I couldn't resonate with with too many people.

629
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:19,000
But when you but when you do when you do find them, you know, you do learn to appreciate yourself more

630
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:27,000
because I learned to then adapt to actually feeling like I was accepted in, you know, in these social groups.

631
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:36,000
So, yeah, I find that if when when the time's right, when the time's right, you know, it will come.

632
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,000
It will come. And you've probably already got your selected few. No doubt.

633
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Yeah, I have like, yeah, I definitely have my tribe. It's just I'm learning more of who my tribe really is.

634
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:54,000
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, and it's really hard to resonate with that, you know, like this and to accept yourself in that environment,

635
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:03,000
you know, because you've been I know for me, like I'm 47, I've spent so many years, so many years rejecting people.

636
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
Yeah. And we've we're all like that.

637
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,000
We're all like that because we just can't trust people. You know? Yeah.

638
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Mark, I'm out of Fort Worth, Texas, but I'm really out of anywhere because I'm quick to travel.

639
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
You're gypsy in this, isn't it?

640
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,000
I'm just like, oh, we're doing a retreat up in Colorado this weekend. I'll be there.

641
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Let me book my flight. If I'm able to financially do it, I'll like spontaneous.

642
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:39,000
It's like it's like I was saying earlier just before, you know, like I was, you know, people who through all these times,

643
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:49,000
you know, I started talking to Jani and Diana, who's in the chat and instantly I started feeling better because it was someone to talk to.

644
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,000
And then I contacted you about coming on the podcast.

645
00:58:53,000 --> 00:59:00,000
And when I explained obviously what was going on and stuff, and if you were like, I've got your back, if you need a chat, just go on.

646
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,000
It's like, you know, I have people on the street I live on that wouldn't say that.

647
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:10,000
And they seen a hundred people outside my house in a funeral car leaving on the day she was buried.

648
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,000
And that one would appear around and say, oh, yeah, if you need a chat, come in for a cup of tea or something like that.

649
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,000
But yet people online from the other side of the world are willing to give you their time.

650
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,000
I think it's fantastic. Right.

651
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Yeah, love. I mean, I mean, we'll learn.

652
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:38,000
I'm a complete fucking idiot. But I mean, until then, you know, make your own mind up.

653
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:43,000
So, Shannon, where are you going from here?

654
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,000
To pack. No, I'm kidding.

655
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,000
Yeah, yeah. And where I'm going from here, I'm definitely like I said, I got to make that little pilgrimage back to Scotland in October.

656
00:59:53,000 --> 01:00:01,000
Doing the paragon at the end of September and beginning of October with the Fear Fest, Howard Petrie and the gang.

657
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,000
Let's see.

658
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,000
I'm putting the podcast on hold for a while. Definitely going to start it back up.

659
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,000
It's just there's just other things that really mattered more at the moment.

660
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:17,000
So I don't know. I just wanted I want to start doing a lot more.

661
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,000
Just go on a sit in a graveyard by myself or with one other person at night.

662
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:35,000
You know, or in the daytime and just really not making a big production of some of the connecting with spirits as we tend to do sometimes because, you know, I want to really start channeling and honing that back in a little tighter.

663
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,000
And so I can really evolve. You're ready to evolve.

664
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:45,000
I mean, I'm ready to evolve and I'm really ready to focus on what the real true intent of what why I love this.

665
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,000
Why I love doing what I do. You know, I want to really make that a priority.

666
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,000
So I do want to do a lot of just smaller stuff.

667
01:00:52,000 --> 01:01:02,000
And, you know, I love doing podcasts with people because I meet people people like you like you're my new bestie.

668
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:12,000
You know, I just love getting to know people, you know, especially because, you know, people can it's just a better way to get to know someone's by actually having a conversation with them.

669
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,000
So I love doing those and they'll put mine on hold. I'll do the podcast. If I enjoy them.

670
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,000
It is this good point. It's good to point people in the same direction in that.

671
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:43,000
Yeah, I mean, you've obviously got a, you know, a heap of stuff lined up enough to keep your nose still in the game, grounding yourself, re re, you know, allowing yourself to go through that cocoon moment with your family and then to come back out, you know, with all new new new energies and new intentions and new strengths.

672
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:50,000
So, you know, best of luck with all of that from all the way from over here in New Zealand.

673
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:58,000
New Zealand so bad. I was going to ask where exactly New Zealand is beautiful. I definitely want to go. It's on my list there in Romania.

674
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:06,000
I have a friend in Romania that it was actually more in Scotland. I got that in Scotland. He was from Romania and I became really good.

675
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:18,000
It was in 2014, but I came really good friends with him and his girlfriend and then they had a baby and they got married and they had a baby. So throughout the years and they're like, anytime you go to Romania, you can have her flat in the mountains for free.

676
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:24,000
Okay.

677
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:42,000
I was going to go like I was literally planning a trip because I took my daughter to a really amazing trip and it was my son's turn their adults now kids, but I was going to take my son right before COVID hit I was planning out a trip to go to Romania and I was going to take him and then of course, go would stop that but timing is important.

678
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,000
So I'll go when I'm supposed to.

679
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:55,000
I'm always down. I'm like, like, where are you stationed or stationed out of where where's home and I'm like, everywhere, like everywhere.

680
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:02,000
Why haven't you bought a house, because I don't think that's a good idea because I don't you know I'm

681
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Yeah, my foundation is in Texas but I don't see this being my forever home I don't I would, I would move to Scotland and a heartbeat. It's not that easy you know so you can make it a little bit here.

682
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:33,000
It's not going to be that drastic.

683
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:46,000
So, and watch the night man here in bagpipes, something just live like lights up in me I don't know what it is I just love it.

684
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:51,000
It's a, it does make the hers in the back of your next time.

685
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Especially if they're playing them properly.

686
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:13,000
You're like, what the fuck is that in the cello I love to hear the cello I could just listen to that and sip a glass of wine or water or whatever but I love the cello it mesmerizes me the same way that the bagpipes do.

687
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Yeah, definitely.

688
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:26,000
So, you will come on again sometime Shannon. Yeah, absolutely when I kick things back up again it's it might be a while but you know it's not a dead project.

689
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:50,000
I think AJ didn't get a chance to speak to you either so and he'll want to, he'll want to speak to you, and yeah, we'll have a lot more questions and you and you to be speaking a lot more as well in between then so you'll know each other a little better.

690
01:04:50,000 --> 01:05:01,000
Well, thank you very much Shannon for coming on. Yeah, thank you for having me really appreciate it. And I know that Johnny enjoyed herself didn't you.

691
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,000
Absolutely. Absolutely.

692
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:23,000
And it's really good to hear the perception of other people with their gifts and you know like I tend to kind of knuckle right down to the heart and guts of things as you realized, and you know, and to be able to help other people it's not just something that I can say to somebody.

693
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:37,000
It's hearing it from from another, you know, true medium. And that's and it's really important because there are a lot of new you know especially with the world and the children that are being born now and the new gifts that are coming out and, you know, for them to

694
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:58,000
understand themselves as we never had the chance to learn within ourselves, you know, and had to go through the process I know for me I wouldn't know a lot of stuff about metaphysics or you know quantum physics or parapsychology all that sort of stuff you know like I wouldn't know anything.

695
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:18,000
If I didn't want to know about myself, because nobody else seems to understand what I was going through so I had to learn. Right. And by doing so you I evolved and my gifts evolved and you know again the leveling up process and so you know which I think by the sounds of it is where you're at yourself.

696
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:29,000
So yeah, I mean for people listening and watching, you know, it's really important because without people like us, they're sitting in limbo still.

697
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,000
Yeah, no.

698
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Thanks for your insight because it was really valuable.

699
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Likewise.

700
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000
Absolutely.

701
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,000
And we'll, we'll do this again sometime.

702
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,000
It was fun. It was fun.

703
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Thank you Shannon for coming on and do you want to just give it want to just share any of your stuff that you're doing already want to just leave on hold for now or you can go on my website.

704
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Paranormal explorations of America calm I know it's long but the way you couldn't mistake it, get it wrong. Or you can get me on Facebook send me if you send me a friend request I'll happily accepted to send me a message let me know you're sending on because I don't accept them like I used to I deleted

705
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:23,000
like 3700 people like six months ago and I'm like, I want to know the people that I'm communicating with every day but I will absolutely accept it.

706
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000
You know, the show.

707
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:39,000
The calling the forgotten files, you said it's just put on hold we were almost done with season two 13 episodes and each season or halfway through but just put it on the whole for a while so yeah I'm definitely going to be around still I'm just going to be a little different

708
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:44,000
but you can definitely get ahold of me if you want to talk become friends I'm cool I'm good.

709
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000
I'm not too mean.

710
01:07:46,000 --> 01:08:00,000
No problem at all. Well, like I say I appreciate you with everything that you're that you're going through I can resonate with that and all I can say is, you know, I'm here for a chat if you need it, Johnny's here.

711
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,000
I'm sure AJ is the same and just, you know, I mean you've.

712
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:09,000
We don't we don't you're going through so likewise you got to.

713
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Yeah, yeah, reach out, reach out any of us at all and ditto.

714
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:22,000
We, we will keep in touch with you anyway. Have you any you want to say Johnny before she goes.

715
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:28,000
Oh no just I'm I'm love it, love it, love it's been really good really good getting to know you.

716
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,000
Thanks for having me co host.

717
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000
Yeah.

718
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Building bridges connections.

719
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,000
You'll be cool. Some more as well. I know I know.

720
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:52,000
If you type in Shannon and then put my middle initial M Shannon, period, ROG, er s, then it's a lot easier to find because there are a lot of Shannon Rogers out there but yeah you put the em in the, in the middle of it.

721
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,000
And it's a lot easier to find me.

722
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,000
Yeah, Shannon Rogers.

723
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Thank everybody for watching and their input in there in their funny joke.

724
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:13,000
We've been entertained.

725
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:20,000
So again, we'll see you on here again soon Shannon will will stay in touch with you. Yeah.

726
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:29,000
And good luck with everything that you have coming up. Thank you. And we'll see you again pretty soon. All right, awesome.

727
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,000
Bye.

728
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:36,000
Bye.

729
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,000
That was a great show.

730
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,000
It was good. That was fun.

731
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,000
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

732
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:57,000
You did a great job and you're there to help out whenever you know I mean, whenever you whenever you want to come on or if AJ can't come on or if I can't get on.

733
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:06,000
I'm happy to do it like I said with work permits. I'm good to go which you know, Diana says it was awesome.

734
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Yeah, thanks.

735
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:13,000
Miss you Diana we've got to catch up.

736
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:19,000
And, and me should I know we've got to catch up.

737
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,000
She just be sitting there just going, oh wow.

738
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,000
I go got in the day.

739
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Right. So, what I will do before we go is again just want to shout out a global ghost hunt. Check it out.

740
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,000
Go on talking with the source.

741
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:47,000
You'll see all our back episodes on there, and there's a lot more to come a lot more really good people to come.

742
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,000
Check it out.

743
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:57,000
Check out the script does as well. And you'll see a lot of Johnny stuff on there and you'll also see her back on here as well.

744
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,000
So, it's goodbye from me.

745
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,000
And it's a farewell from me.

746
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,000
And we'll see you all again, pretty soon.

747
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,000
Bye everyone.

748
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:19,000
Bye.