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It's me, Robin from Half-Firm Paranormal and talking with the Source. Unfortunately AJ
can't be here at the minute, he may pop in through the show but you're stuck with me.
Also we have a guest host coming in for half an hour or so, the one and only the paranormal
consultant Matt Barron will be joining us in just a second and we also have a fantastic
show for you tonight. We have a guy who you will know from the UK's TV programme Most
Haunted. He was a medium up until recently on the programme, he still is a medium, he
was on the programme for a while, he was a very very good addition to the programme and
he is a very very good medium and well known as well. He has come on talking with the Source
tonight to inform us obviously of what he's done in the past, let us know a little bit
about himself and maybe if he's doing anything in the future. But in the meantime we will
just see, he was having a bit of trouble logging in so we'll just see if he is on. And there's
Anthony, how are you doing brother? How are you? And just see, and here he is. Please
welcome everybody Chris Conway. Hello Chris. Hi Robin, sorry, bad start. Hi Robin, please
be here and to have a chat with you. Yeah, yeah, I was just basically telling everybody
they're going to practically know you from Most Haunted really, aren't they? Yeah, hopefully,
if they've watched the show then yeah hopefully. Yeah, I mean it was a good show, obviously
there was a, the sort of, had certain mediums on at certain times and I mean as far as I
was concerned you were always bang on with everything that you got and stuff so you know,
you were one of the better ones on there, in my opinion anyway. Thank you Robin, that
means a lot to me. No, no, definitely. But do you want to start by telling everybody
how you first, the normal question, how you first got into the paranormal? Yeah, of course.
I've been in the, I've been communicating, sorry, I've been communicating with spirits
since I was about seven years of age and it first became known that I had that gift when
I was in, I lived in a council estate in Glasgow and my parents, they heard me chatting away
to someone in the bedroom, they came through to see who I was talking to and they weren't
very happy that I brought someone in without asking them. So what they did, what they did
is they came through to try and get me into trouble and there was this strange little
boy, there was this strange little boy talking to what they thought was nothing. I was looking
into the corner and I was having this conversation. So my dad, he wasn't being totally serious,
he was asking who I was talking to and I told him that I was talking to this old lady and
an old man and I said that the old man speaks to me but the old lady just stands and smiles.
So my dad asked, well, who is the old man? And apparently I gave him this weird name
and I don't know what the name was now and he just kept going on, he was just winding
me up and probably about a week later apparently he was in a neighbour's house and he was telling
her about Chris having invisible friends and he says Chris being Chris, that's quite a
weird child probably, they're old age pensioners so they're all having a chuckle at this until
he mentioned the name and apparently when he mentioned the name the old lady's jaw hit
the ground because it wasn't the name of the old man that lived in our house before us,
it was his nickname. And the description that I gave of the lady was spot on and apparently
that's what she used to do, she would never speak, she would just stand beside him as
he rabidly on. So from there they knew that there was something a bit strange about their
son and I was quite lucky because it was taken away from being an invisible friend to suddenly
they were thinking, right, okay, this is a bit weird, has he got some sort of gift? And
because of that it helped me develop it because I think what happens to society, they convince
children that it's an invisible friend that they're speaking to and then what happens
is you lose the ability. So I think I was just lucky.
Yeah, definitely, definitely. Before we go any further I just want to introduce you to
Matt Barron there, our paranormal consultant. Matt, that's Chris Conway from Most Haunted
in the UK.
Pleasure to meet you Chris.
Hiya Matt, pleased to meet you.
You're doing well.
So Matt's quite big in the paranormal world in America so...
Fantastic.
Who have you been talking to?
Matt, it's your question man.
Well actually Chris, I just want to say I caught part of the story but I find it really
great that your family supported you like that and then it's really cool because a lot
of times when we investigate some people forget to talk to the kids that are in the homes
and you ask about the imaginary friends and stuff like that so that's really cool. That's
really cool. So I don't know where we're at so I'm just going to wing it but I didn't
get the script so I don't know. But so I hear you're on Most Haunted so how did that begin?
How did that career start for you?
It came about... I was on the local news about... I was doing an event. It was, from what I
can remember, it was a charity event and the news guys wanted to make a feature of it.
So they were doing a bit like Most Haunted. They were walking us around and apparently
the director of Most Haunted had seen that and I was then on his desk and Living at the
time wanted a few mediums to come in as guest mediums so they asked me to come in for three
shows so I said yeah of course. I'd done two shows and then they asked me, they asked Living
if it would be okay to not have guest mediums but to have a resident medium again. So Living,
they had watched the shows, they'd agreed that that was okay and I was then offered
resident mediumship so I kind of fell into it if the truth be known.
That's awesome. You never know who's watching or listening in. That's awesome.
Exactly.
And it goes in your favour as well. But the one thing I was going to say to you Chris
was the one I remember watching, I remember watching all the ones because at that time
it was before Most Haunted actually sort of went off for the sabbatical they had. I know
they're back on YouTube now but there was one in particular and I'm trying to remember
where it was. It seemed to me it was like an old castle and it started off at the start,
you and Yvette went into a room, it might have been in the actual keep, like an old
room and I remember you said as you went down you were like you know there's someone here,
there's someone there and if I can remember correctly you may have got something thrown
at you quite early on in that as well and you were able to actually communicate with
one on each side of the room or something like that if I remember correctly.
I wonder if that's in the Rarerri jail possibly because I remember when we went to the jail
there was two different spirits sort of trying to get my attention. There was one who was
a murderer, he committed murder, there was also a young girl or a lady from what I can
remember from that one and when I was talking there was like a chain beside the door and
we all heard this chain rattle and there was nobody near it. One thing people do know about
me that watch me, they know I don't BS, if there's nothing there I'll say there's nothing
there but at this particular point there was nobody near this chain and it was behind the
camera so I was actually facing it and this it rattled right in front of my face and so
that was that was quite a freaky moment because it's all spying familiar so it could have
been that one. Yeah and I'm not knowing for getting scared because I'm a big believer
if you communicate with the dead and you know who's there it seems a bit strange that they
say boo and you jump and run. It's like a human being saying boo to you, you're not
going to run. Hence why it wasn't very often I was scared but sometimes I got freaked out
and that was one of the times that I got freaked out. Yeah it's a fight or flight and I'm swinging
every time you know. So actually Chris that actually leads me to a question that was actually
brought to me a few days ago by one of our friends and brothers. So there's a couple
of theories out there I'm sure you're aware of them that spirits see people very differently
than we see people. Do you like how do you think the spirit see me? Sorry Matt the line
is really bad I can't hear what you're saying. You guys hear me alright? I can hear you.
I don't know if it's because I'm on a phone because my camera wouldn't connect so I had
to resort to the phone I don't know if maybe it's the setup. Streaming on is a little finicky
when it comes to mobile devices I don't know why. But so we all there's a theory out there
that Chris that spirits see us differently than how we see them and we interpret them.
And there was a question brought up about people have gifts and abilities like medium
sensitive and stuff like that. What is your take on that? Do you think spirits see the
mediums differently or okay he's out. I'll bring him back in. I scared him. How are you
been brother? Haven't spoken to you in a minute. You alright? Not too bad not too bad. I agree
with Ray. You guys need to stop giving me links. Oh man. We've got George Alexander
we've got JD Hill we've got Raymond Newsome we've got the one and only New Zealander Janny
who's still drunk from last night by the way. He'll not appreciate me saying that. That'll
be me later. We don't mind. And Anthony he'll be back in again because he's just having
a connection problem so bear with us. I agree with Anthony there. What's Matt? I don't know.
What is Matt? Matt is a lifesaver that's what Matt is. Test results are still here. Sorry
I got picked out. It's alright it's the bad line so it's fine. Can you guys hear me okay?
Yes it's a bit jumpy but we can hear you. Yeah I don't know what's happening. I think
spirits are playing games. Yeah sometimes it's like this. It's not a paranormal podcast
without any tech problems. Sorry what was the question? Sorry. No you're fine. You're
fine Chris you're fine. So we there's I don't know if you've heard of these but there are
theories out there in the field that spirits see us differently than how obviously we see
them but that also includes mediums, sensitives, people with gifts and abilities. Do you feel
that is legit? Do you think the spirits are seeing people with gifts and abilities like
beacons with the lights? Do you think you know energy signatures have anything to play with
that or what's your name? Okay if I picked a question up properly from a really really
really bad line. Are you asking if spirits see us different from how we see them? Yes.
Is that the question? That and people with gifts and abilities. Right okay I think it's
different every spirit is is very different from from each other so it's just like on
this on this plane and some spirit don't even know they've passed on. Like for example I
was doing a paranormal investigation at the weekend there just in Nottinghamshire and
we were communicating with four men and with these four men they had been plotting something
so they were very secretive but the thing with them was they got killed when they were
trying to do the mission that they were plotting and the death was so quick they didn't actually
realise that they were dead. So what was happening was when we were doing a Ouija board with
them and they were actually telling me when I was communicating with them that they were
communicating with the dead so they were convinced that we were dead whilst we were talking to
them as if they were dead. So it was quite a strange strange thing but most spirit that
I do come into contact with they do see people with a gift different because it's almost
like a telephone box. I think they draw upon what energy because I'm a great believer of
talking about energy rather than talking about spirit because I'm a great believer that's
what links us. It's not so much that I'm sitting talking to someone's granny it's that I'm
communicating with the energy that that grandmother once had so the reason that I can communicate
with her is because I can use my energy to connect to her energy and between that we
can then focus and proceed with some sort of conversation very much like a telephone.
So I think spirit it's like a beacon because they can obviously feel our energy as well
so they can they can sense that when someone's energy can connect to theirs and allow them
aware that they're there and allow them to be able to communicate with me. So hopefully
that answers the question. Yeah that definitely works. Yeah so what I'm gonna do as well Chris
if it's all right with you I mean I know you told me that you don't you don't do many podcasts
but obviously we'll do the show now but because the connection is not great I'll also invite
you back on another time as well if you want to come back on again at some point. Of course.
And then obviously because AJ will be on as well I just need to say that AJ hasn't been
well and he is he's had to go to the hospital for something I'm not sure. He hasn't been
well so obviously I want him to be on as well because he has a few questions and stuff so
I appreciate it. That's absolutely fine with me Robin if we'll get in touch and we'll arrange
another date and then we can we can do this properly. I'll make sure that I'm on the computer
so we'll have a proper connection proper sound rather than all speaking like Daleks out of
Doctor Who to each other. Well Matt's like that all the time anyway so. You beat me too
I was gonna say that's usually my voice. Well hopefully hopefully AJ if you're watching
this brother much love to you and hope for a speedy recovery brother. Yeah. Seriously.
We'll get we'll get that organized guys that sounds fantastic. Yeah yeah massive solar
flares the next two days. Oh I heard about that. I haven't heard about it. Yeah there's
a bunch of that could be interesting energy wise. It could be. So do you still do you
still do the medium work. Yes yes. I do. Sorry I dropped off again there. And I do I do do
still still do a mediumship and I'm obviously I've stepped back from most haunted a while
back and I do still I do still do mediumship and person to person readings. I also do a
lot of ghost hunts paranormal investigations which I absolutely love because it means that
I can get personal contact with fans of the paranormal shows which I absolutely enjoy
because you get so much enjoyment so interacting with these guys and feeding off their energy
as they feed off mine and and with some really good nights. Yeah actually that's not a bad
eye that's not a bad thing that could be why the reception is on and off. Very possible.
Good point the flares I think you could be could be right. Not just a pretty face. Anyway
I did have another question. It's just gone. Matt you go and I'll get this question back.
It's just completely gone. Fair. So Chris one of the questions I always like to ask
on my shows is what's one of your most memorable locations. What's one that just really sticks
out and why. TV wise I would say probably there's a couple that but there was one which
was a pressure was called Barclay Castle and the reason it sticks out. Nothing to do with
being absolutely terrified or anything like that. It was the spirit connection that that
I had got and the guy was a bit of a joker. Anybody that knows me I'm a bit of a joker
myself I like I like a good laugh I'm always I'm always cracking jokes and taking the pee
out of people it's it's what I do. And so it's I think that's why I get such a good
connection with this guy and the weird thing was he actually suddenly everybody around
a seance table got not just a fit of the giggles but if anybody watches the show back the tears
were rolling down my face the tears were rolling down the face everybody's face and what was
happening was drawers were flying out of the table and every time these drawers fell out
it went from people screaming to people laughing and the more the drawers kicked out the more
the worse the laughter got and at the end nobody could talk it was just the weirdest
situation ever and I think it was only something that my it wasn't my second show in most haunted
showing but it was recorded if that makes sense. So after the show they say this isn't
the kind of spirit you usually bring through is it? I don't think it's what we want every
time but that was probably one of the weirdest and another one was Carlisle Castle which
is just in the border between Scotland and England so there's a lot of history there
with the battles and the wars going on. Yeah there was a lot of fighting on that way wasn't
there between? Yes loads of it so when I went there at first the spirit weren't really what
communicated with me because I had a Glasgow accent I was from Scotland and there was a
bit of a hatred going on there and because apparently the Scots had taken over the castle
and then they'd put the castle back and I didn't think it was going to be a successful
night but it ended up with loads of activity they did eventually communicate and at one
point we were all standing and I turned round and Lesley Smith the historian was beside
me so I turned round I was looking at her I turned round to look somewhere else and
Lesley was across the room and I quickly looked round and she was still there and this happened
quite a few times to quite a few different people and it was quite a freaky experience
and apparently this particular room in the castle was infamous for shapeshifters. Yeah
okay. It's nearly like cloning in a way isn't it like the person's being cloned and in there.
Well if you run into another consultant run. I've got two questions for you Chris. Okay.
The first one is this one do you have global premonitions what have you seen and do you
know what they mean? Global premonitions it's something I don't dabble in because for the
simple reason I think it's this is I'm not insulting anybody here but I think it's too
easy to fake and no matter what you predict it's going to happen somewhere in the world
there's earthquakes every day there's storms every day there's floods every day it's too
easy to make yourself right and I think really what I think really what obviously you know
was I actually you know mentioning saying that you know there will be something but
do you actually have the premonitions even though you don't want to say do you? Yes I
do. Yeah yeah sorry yeah if that was a question yeah I do but it's something that I don't
as I say I don't leave myself open to accusations of fakery it's something I'm very guarded
towards I always have been. I don't like to tell things which are too easy for these wannabe
parapsychologists to jump on the keyboards and start saying well I could say that it
could be because of this or that so the way that I work is I point it out myself if I
tell something I say I'm telling you this but I'll be honest with you it's quite easy
to for anybody to come up with it and I'm not but by that I'm not saying every medium
that does that or psychic that does that is faking so please don't pick me up wrong in
that it's I'm not insulting anybody it's just something that personally I don't like to
do but everybody works differently. Yeah and the other question I have from Anthony great
brother of ours is what is your technique for the spirit board? My technique is simple
it's I know there's so much about blessing and turning the glass so many ways other people
will say drip candle wax on the back and my technique is just open the thing up it's open
it up speak to spirit make sure you've got somebody that knows what they're doing there
a medium who can control what's coming through if you've got someone who's in control of
the spirit energy there's no need for all the is okay to say bullshit yeah yeah there's
no need for all the dramatized bullshit it's to me it's there just to build up the atmosphere
which is cool which is good but I don't think it makes any difference because I've heard
people say it's evil and I'll ask them well if it's evil surely standing in a room asking
spirit to do something is going to have the exact same reaction because you're doing the
exact same thing do you know what just you saying that and I don't mean to cut you off
but I've actually been told and it's true when you think about it when you do a spirit
box session right like you use an app on your phone an sb7 whatever you want to use you're
effectively doing a vocal Ouija board really aren't you yeah really yeah even though I
will use the board myself but I feel more in control when I'm doing a spirit box because
I actually feel that I'm letting through what I want to let through whereas sometimes I
feel that the board sometimes it could be manipulated and something might slip through
that you don't want but yes you know and the other way I do think that people are right
when to say that a spirit box session is basically another way of doing it but as vocally rather
than yeah it's an electronic Ouija board let's face it a Ouija board the name Ouija comes
from it's a yes yes board it's we French for yes and ja yes okay and it's basically
when we'd strip all the Razzmatazz away from it that Hollywood put onto it and the films
in the 1980s it's basically a communication tool and before the Hollywood movies took
over and had it as a center of evil most families in Victorian areas had a Ouija board to use
to communicate and with spirit that they had lost in various wars and it was a party game
it was a party game it wasn't this big evil thing that it's made out to be nowadays and
children had them adults had them everybody had them it was just something a gathering
and you would you try and communicate to great uncle Albert.
Chris I think you said it a hundred percent and I and I've said it before too it's a tool
a board is a spirit board is just a tool and to get any other tool you have to know how
to use it properly.
Chris Exactly as long as you've got someone there who understands how to control spirit
control the energy and not allow anything negative to come through sorry not come through
onto the board but anything to then come from the boards into the room and it's then you're
okay because a medium can control that they can allow the spirit to conform they can allow
them to come into the room to communicate via the board but if they try to do anything
sneaky or or even evil or nasty then a medium can really cut it off anytime they want and
I've done thousands of boards over god knows how many events and I've never ever looked
in the the mirror of my car and seen Frankie from the castle beside me because someone
who's linked to a building a historical building they're there because they're connected to
that building or they're connected to something that happened at the building they're not
interested in coming home with us to watch coordination street they want to they want
to be where they are they're interested in communicating with us because they it's a
it's a puzzle for them too it's something that we're working on hand in hand with spirit
then they're not interested in possessing anybody and taking and going home with them
it's they've been there hundreds of years they don't they don't want to that's good
I love that well guys I have to get going I have my I have my own show to get ready
for Nando we're going to be doing a quick show for the global ghost hunt here in a little
bit and then I gotta get ready for my show this evening not a problem I appreciate you
coming on much love it was fantastic to meet you Matt you as well hopefully we'll get to
speak in the future oh absolutely we'll be in touch good man have a good night have a
great night see you so lovely guy I've got two questions for he's a he's a fantastic
guy Matt is honestly he'll help you out to no end honestly yeah I can tell that he's
got lovely energy yeah yeah a couple of questions I want to ask you if you the first one is
if you can or if you want to answer you know I mean it's both but with within a Ouija board
I mean if I if I do a spirit box session on my investigation and I have that safety net
if you want to call it in that where I feel that when when when me and my mother-in-law
who who's in the chat actually Chris Boyle when we're on a location and I decide to do
a spirit box I feel fully in control and and so does she as to you know who comes through
if I'm if I'm trying to speak to a female spirit and there's a male that's speaking
over it and I'd be like right sir can you stand back and let the female speak and you
feel in control well if you can answer this is there any way with an actual physical would
you call a physical Ouija board with a glass where you can actually control or how do you
control who comes through and can you put them to you know to the back unfortunately
we can't control who comes through they're going it's it's like opening up your door
and hoping somebody nice comes in you don't know who's going to come off the street through
your door and into your house and that's you I won't lie you're opening yourself up to
that and that's why I always say do it with someone who has a gift and and I mean by a
proper gift not not saying they've got a gift but then things go wrong and trouble starts
and with the the spirit box I don't think you're inviting them in as much which I think
is where your safety net is and because you're listening to that you're listening and you're
listening for the boys to come through the the airwaves and control because electricity
and sound waves is the closest form to spirit energy that there is so that's why it's easy
for them to communicate via that that particular instrument so I think you've got that safety
net because you at no point are you inviting them in yeah you're there listening for them
and then communicating with them with a Ouija board you are inviting them in there's there's
no nice way to say that and but if you've got a medium there who's in control of the
energy you're safe you're very very safe yeah are you are you still based in Scotland or
are you based in England now no I'm based in Scotland I love Scotland I would never
I would never ever move away from Scotland I love the country too much and I'm not far
from Blackpool all right okay yes I know very well now there there used to be I don't know
if you ever heard of it or not but I'm going to give this as an example because this is
a question again that my mother-in-law in the chat has always asked me and I tried because
I do have the gift but I'm not as advanced as a lot of people are I tried to answer the
question really and as much as I can but I I towards the m6 there's a place it was
like the back of Blackpool it was called Whittingham have you ever heard of it I haven't no but
I do drive past that we very frequently right well do you know Garstine yes well if you
can pass Garstine you're heading towards Preston if you turn left I think it is and you head
as if you're heading away from the coast there was a there's a little village called Whittingham
and there used to be a massive old mental asylum there okay right it was abandoned it
was lying empty for years and stuff like that and people used to go and do ghost hunts
and stuff but they've now they've flattened it a few years ago and they're building houses
on it now the question that she always asked me and I tried the answer was the spirits
that were in that asylum are they they're basically then going to be the spirits and
then new houses because as far as they're concerned they're still going to be living
there like it was the asylum is that is that the way you normally you find it goes spot
on 100 spot on that's why they're not going to they're not going to go with it sure they're
not no they're not they're not going to leave no they're unless they're helped across they're
not going to leave they're there they're still seeing the scenery around about them the building
as their time they're not seeing it as an old run down house or building or mansion or castle
so when that building is taken away they're still connected to that land so they come
attached to the land basically then don't they of course they do yeah and that's what even in
investigations that I do there's most of the time I'll be bringing through spirit that are connected
to the building and I would say nine times out of ten then spirit will start to come through and say
oh well I was actually here and it was a farm or I was here and there was a tree here and I used to
do this and so they're still there they're still connected and it's so it's the exact same way when
that building is gone those spirits are still going to be around so then people who are moving
these brand new houses thinking they're brand spanking new are going to have a brand new haunted
house they are yeah they don't realize they've got a launcher I need to buy one of these I really do
yeah okay if you're doing this way quite often like I say you've got me on that facebook hit me up
sometime we'll try and organize something because it sounds like a plan yeah most of my events
are in England even though I'm based in Scotland and the only reason for that is
I don't know why this is but I feel and you'll probably understand yourself but I feel that
round about you're you're nodding them in Derby and these kind of areas they're all big big ghost
hunters yeah and then when you sort of move away from from the midlands etc you I personally find
that you've not got the same the same passion as the people there have it just seems to be the
the epicenter of of the ghost hunting world so yeah and that's why I tend to base myself
not base myself but doing most of my events down there because um it's and
involve the guests because that they've done it so many times that they're coming with a good attitude
and I'm a big believer when I'm doing a ghost hunt I like to make people laugh I'm from I'm from
Glasgow it's what we do and you're Irish so you're the same it's it's what we do it just comes that
through to us and um and I'm a big believer of doing that on a ghost hunt because people I'm not
being disrespectful to spirit or to any of you guys but I'm going to take the piss out of you
because it builds up the energy as soon as you start laughing as soon as something's going on
you'll hear something behind you and that's that's it's almost as a spirit they're using that energy
but at the same time they're thinking hold on a minute you guys are here to see me so I'm going
to show you that and they'll do something and then bang it's all started again whereas without laughter
that energy is gone and it's replaced by boredom and by my experience because you get tired you
hit the wall that we all know about you hit that wall and if you've not got a mechanism to
boost your way through that wall you're just going to give up and if it and that's when it gets quiet
yeah yeah the uh we we did a few up there actually we did uh the Edinburgh vaults
yep done them a lot of times yeah and we also did the Mary King's close
yep done that a couple of times yeah yeah well the Edinburgh vaults we did it we were actually
were on a tour of them and they took us into the into the what they call the first room like a big
room and the guy was obviously he was all dressed up in his old clothes and he was giving us this
whole talk about you know what it was and stuff and I remember I because I had my mother-in-law
and my partner uh she passed away in January but she was with me as well sorry to hear that
no it's okay it's okay and we were there along with with the rest of the people and I turned to
the the guy was talking everybody's listening to him and I happened to turn there was a gap in the
in the people and looked over into the corner of the room the dark corner and there was a guy
standing there and he had like a cloak on and like a nearly like a top hat on and he was just
standing in the corner watching all of us and the guy who was actually this this was a spirit guy
by the way yeah he was doing the tour he says this room is renowned for a guy called the call him the
watcher oh yeah yeah and I was like that's exactly who that is I'm looking at now and I was I was
nudging into him going look over there look they're like you know where where and like you know one of
the things that we have in this job you know what I mean where you're saying look at that people are
going that's right and yeah the lucky is if you're crazy but that this guy he was clear as day to me
he was just standing there and he was just watching us it's an ice cold stare in his face
just he didn't move he didn't blink he didn't he just stood watching and then when he says
that's the there's a watchman in here and I was like that's exactly who that is
I know exactly who you're talking about I'm assuming that you because there's two sets of
bolts there's the there's um if you've got me and things close and then when you go down it's a while
since I've been up and I've not got a good memory but there's blair street bolts which is more like
it looks like a wine cellar an old old wine cellar and caves so you're walking through all these
caves and then yeah that that's that's um mr boots I think they call them the name does sound
familiar now you say that but this guy was saying that people it must be a nickname for him the
watchman the watcher that's right that's right but but as I'll be honest though I'm the kind of person
that I've got a terrible memory so I make stuff up as I go along so mr boots probably isn't the
name I convince myself that I'm right and I'm always wrong I'm sure that ringing the bell from
something that does yeah yeah I've got a terrible memory but it's definitely the watcher you're
right he sits watching you stands watching you and I know exactly what room you're talking about and
I have seen him myself he's quite a menacing figure yeah I mean the only thing about it is
that I don't like is it was a it was a tour so it was like you know you got a little talk with him
and then you had to move on you get a little talk and you have to I like having my own time
you know I mean this guy's over in the corner watching me I'm just starting to communicate
with him you know what I mean exactly you're being ushered on you know next yeah I've never
been on I've never done a tour I actually um had hired the the vaults out so I did it overnight
um quite quite quite a few times um in fact we we used to do it was the dog charity I can't um
um that Glenn Acora is I think Glenn's the is she the president of it or I can't remember but I did
it as a favor to to to Glenn um I went and did the ghost hunt for her and then that was that was for
the charity to raise them the money for the poor wee dogs and then I've done a few different ghost
hunts there as well after that so it's I can imagine what the tours would be like because
it's numbers isn't it they just want you in and out so they can they can get the next paying customers
through exactly exactly but there is one place I'd love you to go to at some point and tell me what
you think and it doesn't cost anything okay it's oh it's just outside Glenrothes okay it's called
Thornton Fever Hospital have you heard of it I haven't no right it's just I can't remember
exactly where it is but I think it's on google maps it's when we were up there we were looking
for places to do and I found this one and when I when I when we pulled up it was like there was
wire fence and all around it but there was gaps in it we just we just stepped through
yeah there was one sort of building it would have reminded you of like a like an old pub and restaurant
and then behind it there was all these long like buildings big corridors and stuff that you could
tell it had been a hospital at one point it was just really you know you walk you walked in there
was one of the rooms it's just like one single wheelchair in the middle of it you know really
really creepy wow this was quite early on in my journey so at that time I wasn't sort of the kind
of one that would be like right I'm not moving from this room till I get something yeah it was
like it was like right this is creepy couple of photographs quick videos let's go but it's
abandoned it doesn't cost it it's just now when I was there it was just lying wide open oh you need
to send you need to send me the the details for that that's a really interesting place yeah it's
a little town called Thornton it's just outside Glenrothes I'll try and find a pen for you
I'm sure you have it somewhere yeah please that sounds an interesting place it reminds me of I
don't know if you've ever done Newsham in Liverpool yes have you done there that's a fantastic place
it sounds like that but obviously not as big as Newsham because Newsham is huge but it does remind
me of it sounds very much like that and Newsham is one of my favorite venues to do it's such a
if you're ever doing Newsham again you'll be a sure and I'll come down and I'm grand with you
because we went once to Newsham with a company I'm not going to mention their name but
they were they were useless absolutely useless we we booked it for the three of us again and
it was the last three places left that was the next four we booked it online we turned up and
they were standing outside with a manifest letting people in and they were like your names aren't on
the list you can't come in it's your people yeah and we were like no we booked it last night and
we had to actually show them the online receipt that we had so that they would let us in now they
let us in and the crowd that we were all sort of sitting there in these chairs that were giving
this talk before the start of it and they asked had anybody there any spiritual medium qualities
anything they got any my mother-in-law's sitting there with me going put your hand up and I'm like
no no not yet not yet just leave it just leave it nobody was nobody was saying anything and then all
of a sudden they were like he is pointing to me and they were like the kids were being yeah the
thing is we're like all right okay and then that was it now we went downstairs first to the corridor
where all the little work rooms were you know what I'm about yeah yeah I know exactly where you are
we were standing there at the bottom of the stairs beside the toilets and we were standing
and we're standing we were split into a couple of groups but our group was standing there and it was
complete pitch black and had one of these glow glow ball things I had on the floor and they were
trying to get spirit to move it and as we're standing there and the guy was was asking for
the moving stuff like this at the corner of my eye I seen something moving I turned and this figure
and it was a it was a lady it was a like a they call them a sister didn't it it was a nurse
it was a nurse call them a sister she she had come in and she walked she walked down the corridor
and walked into the toilet and I was like I said excuse me I was like can I someone needs to
there's a a spirit's just walked into that toilet there and my my friends were going and they were
like yeah you carry on anyway and I was like you're joking ah I just just told you there's
someone moved walked in there and you're more interested in getting this ball to move I think
do you know that's that's one of the reasons I started doing I run my own events now um and
it was one of the reasons to be honest with you Robin because I was getting hired in by some
companies and you're at their hands it's um and I don't like I'm a big believer like like I feel
your you are yourself the way you're speaking there that when I do an event I like to do a walk
a walkabout at the start the way the guys see on tv let them see what's what's around and after that
the guests are the kings and queens it's up to the experience is for them they're not they're not
here to watch somebody else do it I think it's so much more of a buzz for someone if we ask is
empty getting any names or anything or any images after we've told them what's there and then if
somebody says well actually I'm getting the name Lisa and then somebody else you can see the face
when they're thinking oh I was actually getting Lisa and it's such a buzz for them because they
they've then got that experience that they can they can go home to get it they get the
they they they what's the word I'm looking for they're hooked they just they want to do it again
they don't want to sit and watch everybody look how clever I am I'm going to I'm going to show you
this is what to do oh I've just seen someone no no no no no you'll see someone when I tell you
that's what's going to happen yeah it's not like that it's an investigation exactly and they get
them they get the bug when they're like like you and stuff like that it's it's sort of it's enticing
people to you know yeah come on and come on investigation but like you know don't make this
your only one you know do a few of them sort of compare what they get and of course of course I
mean the ones that that come on in my investigation I'm lucky because they're fantastic people they
they tend to to go in quite a lot of the state with me and there's no bad there's no destructive
guests there's no anything because they know when they get there it's it's their night I'm there
and the team are there to to help them get an experience we're not we're there just to to give
them our experience give them our knowledge but let them tap into that knowledge and get their
experience and that to me it's it's what it should be about it's it's it's you I would be
bored watching somebody else do stuff because I would be thinking I don't actually give a shit
whether your palm moves or not I actually that night we're talking about I actually could have
went home early because it was it was that bad now you're you're going to know where I'm talking
about when I say this the naughty boys corridor yes yes right yes they were telling us about the
one little boy that had been locked in one of the rooms by the polish and he'd been locked in there
too long and he died okay right I think you've heard our story yes right so our little group
were up there burning mind this guy had a manifest with everybody's name vocation everything on it
apart from ours so he didn't know anything about us right yeah he was like this little door here
this little room is the one where the where the boy was locked in and he died he was locked in
here too long we're looking for someone if they want to go in here on their own and be locked in
this room everybody just stood there and I went I'll go yeah let me act he was like anybody
anybody and I'm like I'll go anybody anyone at all anyone oh right okay then you go right you're
joking yeah so then I goes in he says I'm gonna lock it as you crack on lock the door turn the light
I don't give a shit you know I mean I'm on after one heart he closed the door 10 minutes later I'm
sitting there and I'm listening to him outside the door and I'm thinking you know they're not
even asking for anything to happen to me you know I mean I'm waiting on the you know go into that
room and whack him over the head with something I'm sitting there yeah yeah yeah touch him in a
particular place yeah yeah and it's like you know nothing nothing at all so then I sort of
knocked the door and he opened it and I was like will it come out now yeah okay hello
I comes back out and we're standing again in the circle in this corridor and he said I don't know
you probably know this one as well he says the door at the very bottom sometimes and there's no
wind or draft tends to bang yeah yeah he says what I want to do is I want to I want someone to go
down there and I want them to sit on the floor against the door but it's shut he says and then
if we try and get the door to bang the person that's sitting will feel it going like that and
you'll know there's nobody there anyone want to go I'm like I'll go anyone honestly same again
yeah you can say to me right far enough you go down then I went down the bottom of the corridor
sat down it didn't even ask for the door to move like hell it's the point because he couldn't he
couldn't read me he read the other one I was just about to say that yeah I was just gonna say that
and he's writing something that's jumpy yeah he did a new ouija board you know in the downstairs
kitchen yes he was trying to call that the morgue all right and he was like well do an ouija board
in here because it was the morgue right fair enough just just crack on and do it yeah but the
thing is it's like you know he was he was saying right I'm getting it through here uh about someone
who has a military background and one of the guys was like yeah I'm in the army and I was like but
you but the details that you have that you're reading out about people you know that there's
someone in the army you know I mean so were they asking sorry button Robin but were they asking
people for the details I don't know what they were asking for because I didn't we didn't do it
in time I don't honestly know I'm not gonna say yes no I'm not gonna accuse anybody all
all I can say from my point of view is that they seem to have a lot of infer it could be complete
coincidence they yeah they are even my mother-in-law says it was the right farce it was that they
they seem to have no matter what they said someone in the group was like yeah yeah that's me
you know me and it's like you know really what you're looking for as well and and you're probably
the same as me in that you're actually looking for someone that or or nobody to answer a certain
question and you think right well okay well maybe maybe I'm wrong or I'm not maybe I'm not picking
up right but that's definitely coming through anyway and you know because you're going to have
positives you know I mean of course and to me if I was a guest at a ghost hunt I wouldn't want
somebody's granny or something I would want the people linked with this building coming through
yeah that's why you're there you're there to investigate the building yeah because everybody
else apart from one person who's in the army don't give a shit they want to know who's who's
connected with that building who are we investigating tonight what's what's the back stories what's the
nothing we want to know we want to know what to expect we came away that night thinking that
it was a fantastic building it was definitely haunted because of what we all and we all
experienced things in there three of us it was definitely somewhere that we wanted to go back
to again at some point but we've just paid 69.99 per head yeah it's an expensive place
for a complete and utter basically shit show exactly that's that's that's a shame and I um
read that one that's exactly it it felt like they were all regulars with the with the team
right so they knew them at the back of their hand it's it's see I can see both sides a tricky one
for a medium because if if you're very good you've done homework because no matter what somebody
tells you you can go and find it of course you can um it's we're in an electronic world now but
and if you're not good if you don't run enough through your shape it's
yeah I agree it's a difficult one for actually bringing stuff through but at the
for it for a building for an investigation they're not there for a
a stage show they're there for the spirits connected to that building because if you're
just going to bring through Charlie was in the army I think you were a nurse and I think you
were somebody was somebody a brickie and you might as well just stand in the living room
because what's the point to go to these fantastic locations when you're not connecting with the
ghosts that are at the locations it just seems it seems a bit counterproductive and it does I'll be
honest it does seem very arranged for the sounds of it it does seem I'm obviously I don't know who
the group are and I'll probably get attacked by them now but you won't you won't get attacked by
them I'll not mention them I know I'm joking actually I actually don't care I'm not the kind
of person that cares but I tell you what honestly you know what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna bring this
down in shortly I mean obviously definitely get you back on the game when AJ's on but definitely
honestly when you're ever you're down this way anywhere at all doing them hit me up and let me
know I'll we'll come along definitely fantastic I'll let you I'll give you a message I'll let you
know and the dates that I'm coming down and we'll get something organized we'll we'll go anywhere
like that you know when it's with reputable people like yourself yeah I mean that that's it just
it was like I say it was really really early in in our journey we hadn't done many investigations
at all and it was like when the opportunity came up it was like well let's go and see what these
what we call at time professionals or let's see what what their investigating techniques are and
yeah and it was like you sort of nearly came away from a thing and if this is what it's about what
the hell am I even doing in this yeah I was going to say it's I think unfortunately there's so many
companies now um that it's kind of diluted and it's potluck a lot of the time unless you know
unless you've been they've been recommended by somebody it's kind of potluck what you're
what you're grabbing and because it's so easy to set a website up or a facebook page up or
and buy a few gadgets and it's and unfortunately I think people that go to
a company that aren't as maybe experienced and then what can happen is it puts the people off
because they think if that's what this is about I'll watch it and tell you because that was boring
um and I didn't pay all that money to watch somebody else do stuff I didn't pay that money
yeah to be she'd to be like some cattle yeah just enough for the money we think that's what
we thought yeah yeah without without a doubt um and it's one of the reasons I tend to try and
stay away from the more um inverted commas popular um rinsed ones places because of the fact that um
they're the the price goes through the roof and one of my part of my ethos is I I want to give
people investigations but they don't need to get a mortgage to get a bloody ticket um I like to keep
my tickets if possible I like to keep the tickets about 29.99 um but every now and then I'll like
I've got one coming up in August that's 39.99 but it's I don't like to go into it to make loads of
money it's it's not what I do it for I do it because I love I love the people I love meeting
meeting the people that that go to these investigations I love chatting to them
hearing the experiences and um what their thoughts of different things are
and that's that's what I get out of it and I think as you say I think a lot of
other companies because I see the prices myself and I think how the hell can people afford that
for people going to a ghost hunt you're talking 200 noy pounds sometimes
and I'm thinking if you if you're a regular ghost hunter how the hell can you justify having to pay
that and and I think I think it needs reset a little bit the full the full ghost hunting
industry get back to basics get back to just doing doing it for the reason we do it do it because we
we watched it on tv as a kid or you watched cartoons the kid that entailed it and you're there
just for the experience you're there hoping to get scared you're there hoping to hear a noise feel
a touch um it's to me that's what gets you you hooked one little touch could seem like nothing's
standing about all night but it's that little touch because you know well hold on a minute this team
haven't bullshitted they've not went into every single room and they've been getting thrown off
walls and bricks have been thrown and they've actually stood there they've called out they've
called out they've called out they've tried a board the board's not moved they've tried
table tipping and everybody gets nights like that but what happens is when they do get something
happening they're buzzing because they know they're leaving that night with 100 or 99 percent
certainty it's not been manufactured by somebody wanting to make a name for themselves and I'm a
big believer and I think we need to go back to that we need to go back to to looking for the small
things not looking to see what happens the kind of things you see on tv because what people don't
realize is a ghost hunting show if there's adverts on that channel it's 45 minutes
take away the adverts you've got 45 minutes you've got the build up to the venue where they're
talking to the historian the medium blah blah blah blah you've got so there's very little for
the actual investigation but that investigation has been filmed overnight so what's what's happening
is the the exciting bits are getting picked out so when you when you watch it on tv it seems as if
oh look at they get they get everything happens but what they don't see is that they're standing
about a lot of the time waiting for something to happen but obviously that's that's not going to
make tv because people will be bored and so I think it's just people understanding that and
and I think people once they do understand it and they start to really go regular they start to see
it as what it is an investigation it's it's not so much a scare factor it's investigation it's that
it's that buzz that you get and you don't get me wrong you do want a fright you do want to be scared
but you want to be scared knowing that bloody hell what was that and wake up in the morning and think
I still have no idea what that was I want that to happen again and we need to get back to that we
really do we need to forget you know what it's like as well though as you know I'm I agree with
what you said 100% about the the money situation you know you don't want to be paying 50, 60, 70
70 pound a head when you're going and doing these but the thing is if if you do pay that and and you
get a shitload of activity yeah you'll you'll you'll come out of that thinking right well it was
expensive but it was worth it I've just justified that by what I've actually got but then if you
went there and paid 70 80 pound a head and it was a complete farce like we were on you just think
I can do it myself you feel cheated yeah you feel cheated and that's the problem because it's a
a catch 22 and that's why I don't blame the big companies for when it's a big venue because
these venues charge a lot of money um they're like one two three thousand pounds higher fee
and so they're trying to the companies then need to try and get that back and it's it's a really
fine juggling act to try and make that work and that's why I tend to to look for hidden gems
that haven't been discovered they've not been over investigated people are paying what I'm
roughly what I'm paying to to hire the venue which I agree with the the the owners and
and everybody's having we're not having every single night exciting but we're all having a good
time it's whether it's because I've laughed my socks off or I was scared stiff or it's it's a
different experience every time we just don't know what's going to happen what to expect and that's
what it should be it really it really really should absolutely well Chris I want to thank you
very much for coming on I it's been my pleasure I've really enjoyed chatting very once before and
it was that there was something come up but like I say even through the technical difficulties
that we had this time we've still managed to pull the show off so yes I've really enjoyed it
yeah and I'll obviously I'll stay in touch with you I'll get you back one again
and like I say when you're whenever you're down this way at all for any kind of a
ghost hunt hit me up as well we'll definitely come down without without a doubt I should I
should do that Robin I'll I'll give you a a wee message either tonight or tomorrow and I'll let
you know the dates that I'm coming down and we'll get something organized and we'll uh we'll do our
best obviously to to come along and perfect sounds up sounds up sounds a plan and I'll definitely
come back on I've really enjoyed it and we'll do it we'll do it with without any glitches
without me holding a phone like that
before you go do you want to shout out any of your uh anything that you have any websites or
anything like that you have um I don't I don't really do a website anymore I just I tend to
communicate with people over my Facebook um because it's more it's more personal people um
if they want to ask me something the message me or the post on the wall and and that's where I
that's where I advertise all my ghost hunts that's where I chat to people and have a laugh with people
it tends to be through my through my Facebook and the next ghost hunt I've got coming up in August
that's in um at this moment I'll probably book something before then but it's in Derbyshire and
it's a an old Edwardian school that I've managed to find and it's a really big building and there's
a lot of um sad episodes connected to the building for example the man it was a private school the
man that that set it up he passed away and passed the school on his son one day his son left the
building as he did every day and that was in the 19 early I think it was it was the early 1900s I'm
sure but I could be wrong um and he was never seen again nobody knows what happened to him he just
left the building never came back and there's lots of tragic stories like that linked to this building
um and it's it's well known for being haunted amongst the local village so it's one that I'm
really looking forward to and if anybody's interested in that just um come and chat to me on Facebook
and some other lads have said obviously your Facebook's under your own name it is yeah because
that's where I found it anyway yes yes it's under my own name so just friend request I don't know if I can
write it on chat um I think it's just yeah just Chris Fonway it's under yeah so just friend request
I'm going to add you yeah what I'm going to do as well Chris uh either tonight or tomorrow is I'm
going to send you the names of a few cases that I've I've found uh around sort of uh Lancashire
and there's even one in Lincolnshire and stuff like that oh I'd really appreciate that and then obviously you can
you can sort of maybe I don't know whether you'd be able to put the feelers out for them or not but
without a doubt I'd really appreciate that Robin that'd be fantastic well dude but like I say I will
stay in touch with you anyway yeah please do please do yeah definitely absolutely and uh we will have
you on again uh yeah I'll look forward to it I think we're booked up until probably the end of May so
maybe June if that's all right yeah June's perfect for me yeah no problem at all we'll get it organized
we'll see you again in uh in June but I'll be in touch anyway I'll stay in touch with you
yeah please do fantastic thanks very much Robin thanks Chris take care guys bye bye
well there you go lovely guy lovely guy I've I've been friends with him for quite a bit now on
Facebook and uh yeah he's he's a really good guy so do look him up and do try some of his uh ghost
hunts out you'll not be disappointed definitely not uh just want to shout out global ghost hunt is
starting in May uh we've got the first one in May coming up and then there's one in October
global ghost hunt.com check it out check the website out honestly it's going to be fantastic
but for now from little old lonely me Robin from half iron paranormal I'm talking with the source
it's goodbye and we will see you again tomorrow evening we have heller madison from
kindred spirits and anyway if you're gonna watch just google her she's been on a few different
uh tv programs so she's on tomorrow night it's a special show so we will see you then bye for now