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No, you got no voice.
I'm the skeptic of the group, I'm afraid.
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Richard Felix, who basically you'll know him from if you watch UK's Most Haunted. He was on it.
And he does a lot of tours around Derby and Derby Geel and stuff. He's a paranormal historian. Great guy.
And he knows anything. So absolutely. So let's bring him in. Hold on one second. Here we go.
How are you doing? Good, good. So happy to have you on. A pleasure to be on.
Absolutely. So good to hear that we know friends from over here together. I couldn't believe it. I think that's so cool.
Yes, incredible. Charles Rosnay. Yeah, from Tom. You've got a fan already. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Thank you, Irene. I'll let you know, Steve. I'm not sure yet. Go ahead.
And we have, yep, we have Irene. Like I said, greetings from Tokyo. Thank you so much for tuning in from Tokyo.
We greatly appreciate you and World of Ghost. I want to say hi to Julie and everybody there.
And we just want to thank everybody who's watching right now. But Richard, I want to get to is, you know, I noticed that you obviously you love history.
It's one of the biggest things. I think that's amazing because I tell you, growing up in school, I first hated history.
But now being in this paranormal field, it's one I can't I love going everywhere. Museums, everything. It's one of my favorite, favorite things.
So I wanted to ask you, like, how did you get into the history side?
Because I know we're going to talk a little bit about how you got into the paranormal side and how you kind of face death yourself.
But first I want to ask you, like, how did you get into the paranormal historian side? Yeah, well, I mean, basically, it's a good guy.
You see, it's always been my passion in military history. Soldiers.
All I ever did as a kid was play soldiers. All I ever wanted to be was a soldier.
But it was always military and the collective military or all my life, basically.
And so so that's where the history. That's where the history of it started.
Then I became chairman of the Derby Tourism Association in the center of downtown Derby, Derby, as you guys would call it.
Yeah. And because of that, I got into local history big time, obviously dealing in depth with the history of the city of Derby, which that's not what we're about tonight.
You know, an incredible 2000 years of history.
Then from that came what can we do to bring people into the center of Derby tourism wise?
Well, York do ghost walks. So I started a ghost walk after I opened a heritage center in an old Tudor grammar school that went back, well, hundreds of years, 600 years.
And when I started doing the ghost walk, the first one I did, I thought was rubbish.
I thought I can't do this. I believe it. Yeah, I can't do it. And some of the stories to me were just nonsense.
So I spent another six months researching and realizing that ghosts and history go together.
And to just tell a ghost story, a ghost story, a ghost story, a ghost story could become, in my opinion, because these walks I was doing three hours.
We did a couple of haunted pubs on the way around and a candlelit supper at the end of it.
And so it really took at least sometimes three and a half hours.
And just talking, oh, there's a gray lady and there's a blue lady and a pink lady.
You'd be bored off your mind at the end of it. So I realized that I needed, although I can't prove the ghost stories, if I can tie in the history with the ghost story, the whole damn thing becomes so much more fascinating and provable.
Absolutely.
And I have to be honest with you where it came from. Then, obviously, when I got on to Most Haunted on series one, they told me originally they were going to brand me as the country's leading paranormal investigator, which I'm not.
I was. And when it actually came to that, they sort of branded me as a historian, which I mean, I left school at 15.
You know, I haven't got I got some GCSE. I got no I'm thinking of university. I didn't do anything.
So, yes, yes, I'm a local. I said local historian and I personally branded myself as a paranormal historian. Yeah, because the two go hand in glove.
Absolutely.
Simple as that. You can't get closer to history than seeing the ghost of Abraham Lincoln or Mary Queen of Scots or or whoever. You know, I mean, King William the third.
That's the big one. And that's where I come in, because, you know, tying the history with the ghost story, if you can, makes it so much more fascinating and valid, which is great.
You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And I realized that at the end of the end of my tours, my ghost whatever, you know, I get people say, well, God never realized that I never knew that, you know, in other words, not necessarily the ghost story, but the actual history behind it is absolutely fascinating.
And the two go together. And it also works with schools. Yeah.
Yeah. I like ghost and history. Effectively you're giving your own lesson, really, aren't you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, absolutely. I always remember years ago, I was doing the tour for when I ran this heritage center for school.
And it was January, it was wet, it was raining. And although I have an ability, really, to hold people's attention, these kids all I was getting really was, when's lunch, when is it lunchtime yet?
And so we got to this particular pub.
And it's the oldest pub in the center of Derby old timber frame building, and I'm standing outside and all I said was, oh, by the way, there's a ghost.
What? And I wasn't this was the ghost tour. This was a local history tour. And all of a sudden the kids stopped asking about what when's lunch.
They were fascinated. They wanted to know more about the body snatchers that used to deliver the bodies into the cellar of this building.
And then for the rest of the tour, all I was getting from them was, are you any more ghost stories?
And wow, they forgot all about the rain, all about the cold, and all about lunch.
It's wild. It's wild. Paranormal has attracted so many now. I mean, like if you think 10 years ago, right, Richard, it's like, it was a little, you know, it was popular.
But now it's like, it feels like it's just going through the roof now, like with all the people so interested in it.
I think it's great. I think it's great because you add in this history back to it. And, you know, when you're an investigator, a true investigator, you have to look at history.
And I think that's just amazing, you know. Yeah. And that's the big one. That's what I and when you know, whenever I go and wherever I go or whatever I do, you know, investigations, obviously TV wise.
I spend a lot of time beforehand, not only beforehand, but while I'm actually when I get to the venue, talking to the people that own it, run it, live in it.
Yeah. And talking to them about what about the history of the place so that I can try and work out myself who's haunting it and why they're haunting it.
Exactly. Yes. And that's so, so much more important. You know, what happened to them? Why are they still there?
Is there a pattern that you have found from all of your studies from all these different places? Is there something like a similarity or synchronicity that you found with these hauntings?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, very much. So, I mean, one one of them is a sort of a suicide thing.
Quite quite a lot of places that you find that, you know, someone killed themselves in the building.
You know, in other words, yes, the you know, let's try and find out, as I've just said, why they are still there because they shouldn't be.
Yes. Something has happened to them that's caused them still to be there. Yeah.
Unfinished business murdered. No one found the murderer executed for a crime they didn't commit. They're still waiting for justice.
And of course, another big one, actually, is is they loved it there and they stayed behind. Yeah.
There's a lot of awful lot of that when you go to a property, a house, sorry, a private house. Yeah.
You know, well, what happened there? You know, oh, well, you know, so and so committed suicide in the back.
OK, yeah. OK. Or so and so was murdered in the back. Yeah. OK.
Or no, no, no, no. We think it's the the old lady that lived there 50 years ago or 100 years ago that's not moved on.
And so why is she why is she suddenly started to get active?
Oh, well, we've been doing some work in the house. Aha.
Well, she she doesn't like what you're doing. Why are you knocking my wall down in my bedroom?
Exactly. Yeah. You're putting the kitchen in the dining room open for pan.
She doesn't want that. She doesn't know. So right.
Well, the other one, a prime example of the other week with a place I was at this guy had done some work on the house.
He moved the staircase. It's a cottage, a very good 17th, 18th century cottage.
He's good on DIY. He moved the staircase for one part of the lounge area for another.
And Brick took one of the doorways. Yeah. And lo and behold, just finished the work and the two of them are sat there having having their tea when they hear a cough of an old lady.
And they look up and there's this lady in Victorian clothing with a clay pipe in her mouth.
Walk past them without acknowledging them in any way goes towards the wall and goes straight through the wall where he's picked up the doorway.
Oh, and and they would lay in bed and hear footsteps coming up the stairs.
That's correct. Not the stairs, not the stairs. Yeah, I'm going to say that.
It was from the stairs aren't there anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Bridget, I ask you this question because of just what you just said, right.
You know how she was using those doorways and the staircase that was no longer there.
Do you think just from just opinion wise, do you think that these these spirits, you think they're seeing the same layout as always.
But yet when they know that there's a renovation going on, how come they're still using that's the one.
Yeah, I get that. I like it. In other words, so you're she's upset because she sees her wall coming down.
Yeah. Or the wallpaper coming off her bedroom or whatever.
But she's going up the staircase that she's concerned about that they've knocked down.
Yeah. And how can how can that be?
Which is it? Yeah, exactly. Is she a time sleepy? Is she seeing it?
She's obviously seeing as it was going up the old stairs.
So how does she know that you're knocking the wall down or moving the stairs?
Or is that her making a point that she didn't want the staircase removed so she'll continue to walk up where it used to be?
Possible. Yeah, exactly.
Because it's the footsteps they hear. Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, a really interesting one. And yeah, don't know that one.
Very valid point. Very valid point.
It may not be may not be that she's that she's upset because, you know, like you said, she doesn't know that the staircase has been moved.
So why does she suddenly start to appear or do things after they've done damage to the house?
Or is it is it more because I'm a huge believer in what I call the stone tape theory. Yes.
Where where you you know, and there's a possibility.
And then so in other words, the demolition of the wall or whatever it happens to be is similar to knocking your old fashioned cassette recorder on the floor.
Sometimes it goes off. Could the disturbance in the building cause a replay to take place that wasn't happening?
There's too much more. Yeah.
So many theories in this in this paranormal field. But I tell you what, it's it's great that, you know, we think about this type of stuff because it's you wonder, you know, how could they be getting mad and but still walk up the stairs?
You know, and I wonder if that has something to do with the way our consciousness is when we leave this body, if it's on sometimes replay, like you said, that residual energy coming from the wood and everything that's around.
It's amazing theories. You know, I mean, too bad we aren't going to know until there isn't enough debate and discussion on this.
I'll tell you why, because basically it's all about scare factor. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I've been saying that's all it is. Yeah, that's all that's what that's what people love.
You're right. You're right.
And that's what all the TV programmes are about. Yeah.
Scare factor. Yeah. All of it. Everybody. Yeah. And the fact really gets me.
And that's included on Most Haunted, just the same as everybody else. Anything happens, everybody runs off.
Everybody screams. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know something, you know something, right? I'm going to let Chris take this over. Go ahead.
You're the opposite. No, I'm most haunted.
Oh, yeah. As soon as it gets to a good part on come the adverts, the cameras go off.
Tell me about it. I mean, but it's again, it's all scare factor. Screaming, running, fainting. It's real. You've got to keep the camera running.
Of course you have. Because you see, the thing that gets me is that we're there ghost hunting. We want something to happen. And everybody runs away.
So frightened. Including all of them ghost adventures. They're all the same. Yeah. Yeah. Black dressed in black.
As soon as something happens, they're so frightened. They're so scared. It's a bit like like going fishing and being frightened of fish.
I hate them. I don't like fish.
See, I was just going to say, Richard, whenever whenever you first went on most haunted then, were you were you supposed to be just in the studio all the time or were you on there to go out on location as well?
Well, from on the lives, you see the very first live Dudley Castle, I was as far as I knew I was because they told me they were going to brand me as the country's leading paranormal investigator.
Well, you know, I wasn't. I did ghost walks and tours and blah blah blah. And I turned up expecting to be a paranormal investigator with me with me dousing rods and crystal and PMF and I was told no, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry. You're in the tent. You're in the marquee. You're you're an expert. So I was ushered into the on the sofa in the studio with Matthew Smith, Dr. Matthew Smith, the skeptic.
Again, the two of us. And that's how the first and then from then on, I was branded as the historian. But on every every program, every series, you know, unless except live.
I was out in the field with the with the crew as a historian. But sometimes it varied. Sometimes I'd be sat with monitors in the studio, not the studio, but in one of the rooms.
And but usually out with the crew investigating the same thing. Yeah. And then again, on some of the lives, I went then went out. Sometimes I was in the studio. Sometimes I was out again investigating with them.
Yeah. So it varies.
Yeah.
One clip that I want to mention to you that I'll never forget was I was watching it. You were on location with them.
I can't remember where you were, but you were you were in an old building. You were in a basement. And I think it was you.
And it might have been David Wells sat at a table trying to get the move. And all of a sudden it shot towards you.
Oh, God, that was no tell you what it was. It was Bottlewidden Castle in Wales. And it was me, Carl and Stuart in the cellar.
And it was a metal table. And I've had more more success with metal tables than anything.
And it's incredible because it shot across at me. I mean, that would frighten anybody.
I'll tell you. But the silly part about them is it happened twice.
I wouldn't be as skeptical.
And they only put it on once.
But basically, there was you can see the camp for once. You could actually see where everybody's legs were. There's no there's no possible way that they could have shot that table like they did across at me.
That really was. But it happened twice.
Yeah, I remember watching it. It was instant.
That was really and that was a good one. And then the other one, I actually first only time in my life, I've actually had a table rise off the floor.
And it happened in a place called Taunton, Taunton Castle in Somerset. And funnily enough, that was a metal table.
More energy then. Obviously, lots of energy. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah, I think metal is a great conductor for energy.
So I'm wondering with that energy, you know, especially how we measure EMF and all that kind of stuff.
I'm that obviously is the reason, you know, having all that energy with your guys energy there along with. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you see, that's the whole crux of the matter. I'm fascinated by that. The advert, not the beginning ghost energy.
Because I want some of that because I want to change the name, you see, from ghost to energy.
I like it. I like that. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a word that we use that means to be frightened of.
You're right. Oh, yeah. That's what it is. It's it's it's about 4000 years old.
And it was I won't go into it was basically a proto Indo European word called ghost G.H.O.I.D.Z.
And it meant to be frightened of. And from that came, well, guess what?
The word the old English word, ghast, G.H.A. Have you ever been a ghast at something? No, I think ghastly.
Yeah, it's frightening. Yeah. And that's we label anything that we don't understand as a ghost.
But it's an energy. That's that's what ghosts are. And that's what we are. Yeah.
We're learning new things every day here. Yeah. And you cannot destroy energy. First law of thermodynamics.
You can either create or destroy it. That means that energy that you and by the way, I'm talking about the inward.
I'm not talking about the vessel that held the energy. I'm talking about the energy within you, your mind, your consciousness, your ego, your soul, your soul.
Call it what you would you. That energy is unique to you. And it can't be destroyed.
No. And there's only one you on this planet. There may be doppelganger.
There may be people that look like you, but there's only one inner you on this on in the universe. And that energy that is you can't be destroyed.
So some in some form, it has to go on. Don't ask me how or where, but it has to go on.
And that's the word that we should be using. Well, and not really.
You know, I don't think if I advertised an energy walk, people would come on it.
Yeah, I wouldn't know.
Normal shows nowadays, especially all around. All you're seeing is demon portal to hell.
Tell me about it. You know, and it's like and I understand because it's a marketing aspect, but there's so much more to than the negative to that.
I know that. I know. I know. I know. And all the groups are full of terror. And sorry, Charles, but, you know, terror and fright nights and day you come on a walk with those and a tour with those and every ghost program.
I don't care what they're all running away. They're all the demons that are going to get you later.
And it's just rubbish. Your attention.
Yeah. When I say sorry, it is rubbish because it entertains people. You're right. It creates an interest. Yeah, that's what I say.
And so people. Yeah.
And so I can't criticize them for it because Joe Public loves it in the same way as when you go to a theme park. You go on the scariest one there is. Yeah, absolutely.
Because you want to end up with your stomach in your mouth.
I'm not only that, but the scariest right there will have the biggest, greatest lights run out as well.
Yeah. And so, so I cannot criticize TV companies for creating ghost programs. It's scary.
And I cannot criticize I cannot criticize paranormal groups that advertise themselves for people to come along for a fright night.
There you come up because Joe Public loves it. That's what people want to be scared. They want to be scared.
They are. Why not? Well, don't we all but there's room for a real ghost program. Yeah.
No, it's never happened. No, it's because of that marketing aspect.
I don't think if someone actually watched a regular, you know, paranormal investigation, because I mean, you know, they cut out all the boring stuff and they leave.
Yeah, it's like really going to watch a seven hour thing of basically watching a five and a half hours.
I know they would not. But you're right. There's room for a documentary type program.
Absolutely. Not not not not. How can I put this? Not as you just said, sitting for seven hours on an investigation.
No, no, they're done. They're fine. Investigations are great. And if something happens, because things will happen.
Absolutely. People will jump. Yeah, which is fine. I don't have to make people jump at home.
But there's room for a real documentary type program that explains to people what ghosts might be.
I can't say what ghosts are because there is no proof of course. Ghosts exist, actually.
I know. You know, I've seen a ghost. I've heard a ghost. I've traveled with it. I can't prove it. Yeah, unfortunately, the world about it.
But I can't prove it. Yeah, I get it. I'm full body solid apparitions stand in front of my entire family, which they were all skeptics.
I mean, you know, most a lot of heavy, heavy Christian people. But we saw it solidly appear in our dining room for like up to a minute.
It literally just in front of us. I mean, shocked us all. I mean, I mean, I thought I was crazy beforehand until I saw it.
And that's what got me into this paranormal field. Yeah. That's experience.
It started having these weird things start happening to me, which led to that all experience.
But I tell you what, you know what, no matter what we do, you know, it's like we can't have that one moment where we're ready and we got the.
You know, if you took a photograph, people wouldn't believe it. You're about to say it's a fake.
Believe it. There is no and all of your family that saw it.
You know, you saw it. They know they saw it.
But nobody will believe it. Well, sorry, that's not quite true.
Nobody will be sure that that's what you saw.
Yeah, you can't prove it.
And I tell you what I do find fascinating and forgive me for this.
But basically, if you've got a guy that obviously we're talking to lots of people, some in America that happened to be in Wal-Mart and he somebody another guy.
So I'm still to jumpers to to to pull over two sweaters. Yeah.
Yeah. And he goes up to the security guy and tells him.
And as the blokes leaving the shop, the security now grabs him, takes him off the cops come arrest him before you know it.
He's in court. Right. And the guy that saw him steal those two sweaters is a witness.
Yeah. And he comes to court and he puts his hand on a book that's been written six hundred years after the event and says, I swear by my imaginary God.
Yeah. I tell the truth, the whole truth and I mean, and he says, I saw that guy steal those jumpers.
And guess what? All those 12 people in the jury, the judge and the whole of the people believe him.
Yeah. If I say to you, I saw a ghost at 20 past three on a Friday afternoon in Derby Jail. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. How much did you have to drink? Yeah. Were you overtired?
You're right. And the same entry got you're absolutely right.
People think of this, you know, this is a very like just regular thing to think about, but we don't think about that.
And you're absolutely right. You know, it's a proof of any of the stuff that we do.
I mean, even when people like, you know, I'm a Christian, stuff like that. I grew up as a Christian, but I've different religions.
But the thing is, though, is I'm with you on that. You know, we don't technically know.
We can't say 100 percent proof just because some person thousands of years ago wrote a couple of things and done over and over.
You know what I mean? And all those times back in the day, those church leaders and stuff like that, they wanted it to be manipulated to their benefit.
So how do we know? That's truly what they were saying. You know, I get it.
We believe it. We kill, slaughter, maim, torture in the name of something that nobody's ever seen.
They're right. But you tell them you've seen a ghost. No way. Backers, the man's not job.
Yeah, I think it called to get called a job over here. Yes.
Yeah. Over here, too. I mean, I was so scared to share my experiences, even with my family at first.
You know, yeah. And it's like, you know, I started having to happen and I started being able to show spirit communication things.
That's why I like to focus on spirit communication now. Instead of just the entire thing, I like to focus on using different
different devices to actually hear them come through and manipulate these frequencies and stuff like that.
Because, you know, when you get like certain swear word or certain like that, you know, it's not going to be on these radio frequencies.
So I want to get those type of things or something relevant that can be said back so people can hear it, see it, whatever they need to do to understand that something is real.
Because that's the only way people will really actually kind of believe. You know what I mean? Which is kind of bad.
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Fascinating subject. I tell you something else, Richard, which is like that is like is like UFOs.
If someone says, well, I've seen a big disk in the sky, all these lights on people go, no, you didn't know.
No, you didn't. No, I know that. So right. Yeah. And again, same thing.
How about the school? So they had a UFO land at the schoolyard. These kids saw this. They interacted telepathically with it. But yet it's like, oh, no, sorry. Forget about it.
No, it didn't happen. You know, overtired. Yeah. Yeah. Same old story all the time. Yeah.
And I just find it incredible that we're, you know, but in the 21st century, but no ghosts don't exist. No such thing.
But to me, I'd say it's almost becoming it's becoming a new religion. The paranormal side of things. Spiritualism. Call it what you will.
Because there's the church loses its grip. I think that's the way of putting it. Absolutely. People still want an answer. People still want to believe you're right.
That there is something else. Yeah. It's growing on a on a vast scale now that people's belief, I suppose, in in an afterlife.
But that's no different to what the church has been saying. You're right. Yeah.
The thing about it, the thing is, as well, Richard is I remember having some Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door. Right. And the obvious, they knock your door and they want to come in and tell you their scriptures and all this.
Yeah. And I actually said to them, if you can answer my question, I actually give them three questions. It says we can answer any of these three. You can come in and talk to me. And one of them was I said to them, if you say that there's no such thing as an afterlife, that there's no such thing as ghosts and spirits and stuff.
I says, how come if I was to bring you in here, get a table that has numbers and letters around it, put a glass in the middle and say, put your finger on that. You wouldn't do it.
They couldn't answer it.
You're right. You know, right.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Again, we're talking of the same same thing because at the end of the day, we're talking of people that die and come back.
Yeah, they're talking of a guy that was executed, crucified, buried and three days later, whoopee, he came back again.
Yeah.
So is the resurrection the first ghost story?
That's what it must be.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, Rich, listen, on this podcast, you talk whatever you want about.
I'm all about every single belief known to man.
So I don't judge nobody.
So please, my friend, I totally agree with you 100 percent.
Don't feel it.
It's amazing.
Amazing.
This needs to be talked about.
This does.
Oh, it does. Of course it does.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I don't understand.
We've been waiting, AJ, haven't we?
We've been waiting for a podcast that gets right into the nitty gritty of it, haven't we?
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
That's me, Mr. Nitty Gritty.
But the thing is, Richard, you know, these podcasts that we have and you have these different guests on and we've been lucky enough to have some great guests, obviously including yourself.
But it's about their paranormal experiences and what they believe.
But to get someone like yourself on with that knowledge is going to question them things.
Do you know what I mean?
People don't go as far as to question some of that stuff.
No, I know that.
They just say, no, we don't believe in it or yes, we do.
But that's as far as it goes.
Yeah.
There's a lot more to it.
Right into it.
And that's I have, like I said, a very inquisitive mind.
I'm very skeptical, very skeptical about about an awful lot of it.
But but over 30 years of doing this, I have spoken to so many.
I mean, I mean, the amount of you see when I do a ghost walk, it's not like a tourist type ghost walk.
That's sort of I don't dress up in a top hat and ring a bell.
And I mean, and people talk to me all the time and they give me their accounts at the end or during or whenever.
And over 30 years of this, I've spoken to thousands and thousands and thousands of people that have seen, heard, sense, felt, smell ghosts for want to keep calling it.
And there's too many of them for it not to be real.
Exactly.
I doubt in my mind that there's something in it because I've just and the accounts I get, I call them accounts, not stories, by the way.
Accounts is the difference.
The accounts I get are so similar, but these people have never met.
They're from different ages, different countries, different parts of the country.
Never of course, they've never met.
And their accounts are almost the same.
But they're talking about somebody else in a different place, in a different house, in a different, you know, but honest to God, that's why I know it's real.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And it's lovely to know that because it is very nice to know.
AJ, read that question.
That's a good one.
Not even really a question.
I mean, it's kind of a question.
Yeah, but it's kind of a statement, too.
I mean, with it goes Carl Hutchins says Richard, he goes with the church, it's got almighty yet we have through history.
So many gods.
So who is this almighty?
And you know what?
He's actually truly right.
I mean, like I said, I was born a Christian, raised a Christian, all stuff, but I've studied multiple religions and I have a lot of Christian friends who will say they'll be like, well, you know what?
If you don't worship this religion, then that's it.
You're going to hell.
It's not.
Or I'll kill you.
You worship a different.
You know, my Santa Claus has got a green coat.
Yours got a red one.
How do you justify that?
Whoopie, I already.
An orange one or a green one.
Yeah, I'm the first to admit that.
I mean, as a person who was growing up in Christianity, I'm the first one to say that now.
You know, like I've studied all these different religions.
Who are we to say that we're right in everyone else?
No, no, no.
I know, isn't it frightening?
No, you know, you're right.
You're absolutely right.
Yeah, absolutely.
And again, I mean, tell you what, that there has to be.
Well, now you see here I go.
You see, my thoughts are, you know, what's got a spaceman?
You're right.
Yeah.
Because because I mean, Captain Cook, right, when he landed in, I don't know where, Tehiti or whatever, you know, with this big thing that floated on the water with big sails.
And they landed and they got these things called, well, bang sticks that they pointed at it.
So when he went bang, the person fell down dead.
And he was a god for a period of time until it turned to get a bit like Jesus in a way because they killed him.
But, you know, they killed Captain Cook in the end.
But he was a god to the natives of whatever country it was.
Now, my thoughts are, you know, this big bright light in the sky that that that hovered and come on and came down and these these guys that yet we see the only way anybody could fly 2000 years ago was by having wings.
Not a rocket booster or anything like that.
So, you know, they had to have wings.
And, you know, that sort of thing around the head, you know, was that a glass bowl?
You know, that was a come on.
You know, I actually I totally agree with that, too.
I mean, think about it, too. Like, look at all these old civilizations, Samarian.
I mean, all these different people, they have all these accounts, Egyptians.
They have all these hieroglyphs.
It's what we would call spaceships now are planes or whatever.
But what do what what were they seeing?
You know, and they use symbolism a lot of those times. Right.
So what would you say from what you've learned through the history and stuff like that?
Richard, what would you say? Again, I'm a huge believer that again.
Here we go. Are we really so self-centered and bigoted as to believe that we on this earth are the only planet within infinity that has life on it?
No, no, by the way, who told us that? Exactly. Exactly.
Who tortured Galileo and kept him under house arrest for the rest of his life because he came up with this nonsensical idea that the earth that the sun revolved around the earth.
Yes. Yep. I was just actually I was watching a documentary today about all of that.
And I was saying how we first believe that then we believed, you know, what was it?
The other or the sun we revolved around. Yeah, we were the center.
I mean, there were just so many things that we've learned, so much we haven't learned yet.
But yet we still make this justification of, well, this is it.
You know, and we don't know, you know, in science. Yeah, there's so much we don't know.
We're a galaxy, right? And they're saying that there's millions of other galaxies out there.
And we have one planet in this galaxy that has human life.
So what's to say that these millions of other galaxies all have one planet as well as human life? Yeah. Yeah.
Who knows? Beyond beyond what's beyond the beyond. Exactly.
And through a black hole and keep going and beyond infinity. Oh, my God.
Yeah, it's quite frightening when you think about what what could be out there.
But then again, the other one is, you see, like the ghost business, don't be frightened.
Why should we be frightened of aliens? You're right. Why?
And it's Hollywood. Yes, it is. World of Worlds.
So you see, if a spaceship landed, we'd do we'd nuke it. You're right.
You're right. Right away. They wouldn't know.
They wouldn't wait to see. But how do we know they're hostiles?
Is that true? Yeah, absolutely. Because of Hollywood. Yes. Yes.
It's crazy how our media can shape our beliefs, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
You know, so much so. But it's the same with it.
It's the same with getting back as the same with the paranormal, because the media
will be the first ones to advertise this new, you know, horror film
or this new paranormal series coming out.
But then someone comes out and says, yeah, well, I've seen the ghost.
No, you didn't. No, no, no, no. I know that. Yeah.
Oh, boy. I love it. I love it.
But you know, it's also fascinating is that they also talk about, you know,
not about just about energy, but our law of vibration. Everything is moving.
You know, so it's like between vibration and the law of energy.
It's like, how can we sit here and just like, you know, just think of one little thing?
There's so much that we don't know about this field. But still, it's like if you I think if
science actually took the minute to see what we've already learned, we can put some
some kind of explanation into this field. I truly believe.
But we're still obviously going to blaze away of probably what the real truth of the whole matter is.
I think we need to look at it in this, you know, sign of simplest form like this and see what we already know.
Because I put my hand on these knowledges like that, you know.
Yeah, you're so right. And the problem is, you see, science, they don't they don't do ghosts.
Yeah, you're right. That's the problem.
There's no proof, you see.
And so science doesn't really want you know, I get ridiculed by by by people, you know, with letters after their names.
They tell me there's no such thing as ghosts.
And all I quote to them is next time someone quotes to you that there's no such thing as ghosts.
Just quote to them that for the last 400 years, men with letters after their names, astronomers have
peered into the night sky through their telescopes looking at ghosts.
Because by the time the image of that dead star travels millions of light years to the end of his telescope,
he's actually looking at something that no longer exists.
Yes. Yes.
Isn't that the thing is ghosts? Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
How about how about we just heard a scientist just observed that a planet was getting sucked in by a black hole and ripped apart.
But it happened three hundred and seventeen like million light years away.
That means it's already happened three hundred and fifteen years ago.
It's a ghost. Yeah, you're right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or at times.
Is that what?
Yes, it's a ghost because it's no longer there.
Exactly.
And time's infinite.
So it'll happen whether it's before or after anyway.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And you know what?
As human beings, we have to label stuff to make us justified and feel better.
And I think that's why.
That's so right. Yeah.
And we shouldn't. We shouldn't.
I don't know.
There's room.
I've never done it, but I don't know why I haven't.
But I need to create something called the Great Paranormal Debate.
Yes.
Where we have it on an international scale, probably internet wise based.
I think I say we make it happen.
I would love to be a part of it with you.
I would love to do that.
Absolutely.
It could become quite heated.
It could become quite controversial.
But this is what is needed.
But the first thing you've got to get away from is the scary stuff.
Yeah.
You're right.
Yeah.
And that's why I.
And the thing is, paranormal, right?
Paranormal used to be a word that size.
Now it's that size.
There's so many different subcategories.
You know what I mean?
There's so much to talk about in it.
You go into, like I say, UFOs.
You go into the biblical times.
You go into, you know, you could go on forever about it and still not cover it all.
I know.
But what does that word paranormal mean?
Well, para, Latin, for running alongside.
So in other words, something running alongside the normal.
Paranormal.
Yeah.
As they got living and them who have passed still living alongside of us.
Yeah.
What about supernatural?
Well, it's actually natural, but it's just a bit super.
Yeah.
So not scary.
Supernatural.
Oh, God, supernatural.
Oh, the paranormal.
Scary, scary, scary.
No, it's not.
Ghosts are not there to get you.
They were you and me.
You know what I've learned?
Like we went to me and a buddy of mine.
We recently rented out the old Montana State Prison last year around May.
Wow.
And I was just me and him, the entire compound.
I tell you what, most amazing experience, lights off, night vision was great.
But all these spirits, they weren't that we heard so much negative stuff.
Right.
And I went into the devil worship sale, did everything they told me not to do.
And, you know, sit all this stuff, but nothing happened, obviously.
But the thing was, is that a lot of these spirits, I feel that they're some of them are trapped in these places.
And they get sick and tired of these people coming in, poking and do that.
So why do you think you get scrapped?
You know, why do you think you get this after from them?
You know, like so you can't look at them like, oh, it's a demon because it's not.
It's these people.
If you were me, we're stuck.
Nobody gets us.
We're going to get pissed.
You know?
Yeah.
Don't get me wrong.
We know when it was a evil spirits, silly word.
But basically we do.
We know that if you were if you were evil, if you were an evil spirit, you were a demon.
If you were an evil person in your lifetime, when you pass over, that will go with you.
Your ego goes with you, your personality.
So they will still be, you know, don't think for one minute that Hitler is now wandering around picking daffodils.
No, he is what he was.
He was what he is or is what he was, you know, and always will be.
So there is evil.
We know there's evil, but it's not.
Demonic, it was there's no such thing as demons, but that's another thing created by the church.
Thank you.
I believe the same thing.
I believe that after all that I'm like, you know what?
It's something that we personally make up and we, you know, upon.
It's that scariness.
It's that adrenaline rush we like, you know?
Yeah.
That's right.
It's like these programs as well when they're trying to get more viewers and stuff.
So they'll go in somewhere.
Like you said, Richard, they'll go in somewhere.
Someone in this room of this house, for instance, has been trapped there for hundreds of years.
And they go in there and they're going, yeah, well, is that the best you can do?
Come on then.
Hit me.
The person is going to say, do you know what?
I'm not having this.
That's right.
You're so right.
Again, respect is the other word that has to be used in the...
I sometimes forget, but Chris reminds me of always saying please and thank you after everything.
Never mind swearing at him and effing and blinding at him.
And come on, you know, that's what most haunted started doing.
Of course, it's just pathetic, but never mind.
But you know, the show was good and everyone loved it.
No, but you know what?
For you to be able to share your opinion like that and their honest opinion, I respect that because even though you were a part of it, you've seen what you didn't like in the parts of the paranormal that need to go.
And I think you're right.
I think we do need to have either a documentary film or something along those lines that is more along the real lines.
I mean, hey, it may not be super entertaining all the time, but you know what?
We have to go and we have to one, get away from all these labels that we create ourselves.
Not only been around for thousands of years, but not only that, we also have to like learn to go and that we're dealing with people like you and me.
Show respect, show love, you know, like if someone is trapped, that means they're stuck in that whatever night cycle, you know?
They need help.
Yeah, you're right.
Oh, and I fully agree that we should come in with respect.
You're absolutely right.
I mean, the word, respect.
They were human once.
Yeah, they should command the same respect as we would give to any other human being.
They still think they are human.
Yeah, they were and they think they are.
Some of them, you know, haven't moved on for whatever reason.
Exactly.
They still think they're living on this plane and they're going to like the old lady that walks through.
If someone speaks to you, you want respect.
You want to be spoken to the way or you speak the way that you're talking to someone to speak to you.
Yeah.
And so you're trying to get a response from anybody by being rude to them.
Just don't get you.
You're not going to get anywhere, are you?
Well, you turn around and walk away because I would.
Of course you would. I would, yeah.
Or smack them in the mouth, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
And that's what normally happens and then it turns into a princess.
You're right. Absolutely.
Yeah, it's true.
You're right.
Yeah, it is. It is true in a way.
You know, it's fascinating in that way because you're going to get more, to me, you're going to get more activity.
The nicer you are to these people.
If you go into the old farmhouse you find at the side of the road and we have done.
Yeah.
And you know, you go in there and you're like, oh, you know, this farmhouse is all this stuff's a load of shit land here and all this kind of, you know, and then and then you start, you know, oh yeah, there's nothing happening here.
You haven't got the guts and stuff, you know, you know, you're going to you're going to get activity.
You're going to you're going to get views.
Yeah, you know, but you're not going to get it for the right reason.
No, no, no.
You're going to say, if you're here, could you please, if possible, move a chair or.
Yes, absolutely.
I always start always start with when I'm doing a beta seance or whatever I'm doing.
I the first thing I say is good evening spirits.
I've introduced myself.
I'm the group around the table.
Yeah, he's ready.
He's Johnny introduces themselves.
Good evening.
You know, we only come here in respect for you.
We have no fear for you.
And I hope you have no fear for us from us and respect guys.
That's what what it's all about.
That's what you'd expect.
You'd expect to be respected.
Of course I would.
So so should they.
It's the same.
Yeah.
It's an interesting one.
I've always I've come up with this one recently.
What do ghosts do all day?
Right.
Yeah.
Exactly.
What do they do when they're not telling you to get out or blinding at you or throwing?
What do they do?
The rest of the what you know, when we're not when we're not there.
Yeah.
It's a little case asking him to do this.
This is really do this.
What actually do they do for the rest of eternity?
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
Gina just said, listen to Richard.
She said that, you know, above over here, she said spirits must get fed up with us asking questions all the time.
And I truly agree.
You know, I mean, think about it.
If you're in your space, you know, we don't really truly understand consciousness.
But if you think about it, that energy, wherever we whatever we truly are down to the cellular level that leaves this body, that's so intense that this energy, it's like we don't truly understand.
How could we just say like, you know, you know, that they go somewhere else or what are they doing all day?
Like you said, you know, they can go in their own.
Do they have a local?
Do they have meals?
Oh, boy, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
See, the thing as well is right.
Do you not also think if I use the example again, if you go back into one of these little farmhouses, right.
And there's been 150 paranormal investigators are before you and you walk into one room and all there is is a table in a chair and the set that someone sits on the chair and says, can you please move the table?
Maybe they're thinking themselves.
I've done this 150 times and not doing it again.
Maybe they're not getting activity, not because there's no one there, but maybe it's the other day.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree with you.
It's like yourself when you get a kid asked the same question over and over again.
Yeah, yeah.
What's that? What's that?
I don't know.
You must get on the ghost tours, Richard.
You must get one question.
Yeah.
Sorry.
So you must have one question that really riles you that you get asked all the time on the ghost tours.
Good question.
Good point.
The other question I get, of course, is, have you ever seen a ghost?
That's the thing I get more than anything.
Yes, I have.
So yeah, that's probably the question.
I'm trying to think of anything that actually riles me that, you know, gets on my nerves.
No, no, no.
I mean, I get an awful lot of people with open minds that are, you know, that are prepared to be convinced.
Yeah.
And that's what I try and do.
Me and AJ were discussing this the other last week because when we come on, when we do the podcast, we normally start with, you know, so how did you get into the paranormal?
Which is a boring question to start with, but when someone comes on like yourself, you can't say, you know, I've seen that investigation last week and then, you know, I met you two years ago and then near the end of the podcast go, oh, so how did you get into this, by the way?
It's a question that, as boring as it is, you've got to start with it really.
I agree with you.
Oh, absolutely.
And it is something that people want to know as well.
Yeah.
Because there are different ways, you know, some people have got into it.
How many people have got into it because of Most Haunted?
I cannot imagine.
Loads.
That's the thing that I, I, what's the word, I thank them for, or whatever, because that single program created more argument, more debate, more discussion, and more research than any ghost program ever has, and set the scene for most ghost programs that
are still going, still going now.
For the right reason, the wrong reason, it doesn't matter because it's created an incredible awareness of the paranormal.
Most, most huge discoveries on the planet have been made by amateurs.
You're right.
So you don't know one day what, because people have watched, you see, okay, we've got so many paranormal groups running around playing at Most Haunted, trying to be Most Haunted.
But who knows what they may discover one day.
Exactly, they may have something groundbreaking.
Yeah.
Especially if they deal with it in the right way, with respect.
Yeah.
Then who knows, who knows.
Richard, I wanted to ask you this question.
The question I was going to ask was, okay, so our energy, right?
You know, we talk about how, you know, God is this divine energy and all this type of stuff, but the thing is, like, I truly believe that our energy is so powerful that we have the capacity, just like quantum physics says, you know, positive attracts positive, negative attracts negative.
I believe that with our consciousness and stuff, I believe we have the ability to create these certain things with our energy. So like what I mean is bringing in the intent of what we're about to do, say if you're going to use a Ouija board and you have the intent to try to, you know, contact something negative, you're going to get that negative outcome most likely towards it.
Or if you try to attract something positive during a ghost and spirit communication, I believe that we can create these type of things.
You know, so I mean, I was going to ask you, what do you believe in that?
I mean, I believe that we are not that far from Star Wars. I think we totally underestimate the ability, the power of the human, not of the human brain, but of the human mind.
Yes, and I believe that I mean, for instance, poltergeist activity. I believe that most poltergeist activity is back to energy again and created by you either by pre pre pubescent children that have gotten so much going on in their that they hate the parents.
They hate everything. They can't understand what's happening in their own mind, in their own body. And they're so and they're angry and the energy that comes from them is I think we are mentally capable of moving things.
I do too.
Because our thoughts have frequencies and frequencies have weight.
And that means we are mentally mentally capable of moving things in the same way as not quite the same. But but light has weight. It doesn't actually have weight.
But it when light hits mass, it causes the mass to move.
And that's why space shuttles have light sales on them.
Because light could cause them to move. And that's but it's light isn't physical.
But it can do it. And our thoughts can do the same thing. And so we can not only can we move things, but we can influence.
I truly believe that.
And that's why I'm not 100 percent sure about a Ouija board, a table, a glass, whatever. Is it is it your dead granddad up there that's coming down through your mind, your mind, your mind, your mind, down your arm, through your fingers, onto the table and making it move?
Or is it the nervous energy from you?
Yes. Collectively you because personally, I've never seen a Ouija board move with only one person on it.
Yeah, exactly.
Or a table or a glass.
You need the energy.
I think it looks, I seen it once, but it looks fake. It looked like mentally they were just moving it.
That's what I thought. That wasn't the person.
But in reality, you know, when there's two or more people, obviously you can think more.
This word you see energy.
Yeah.
But yeah, I absolutely agree with you. So we can influence.
I mean, there are I'm not sure what, but there are animals out there that can actually mentally stun their prey.
And cause it to freeze. And then they get it.
But it's not the roar of the tiger that does it. It's God knows how mentally capable of doing it.
I mean, God almighty, you know, we don't know enough about what's going on.
Sorry, I'm pointing at that. That's wrong. It's the whole of it.
I think the brain is actually the hard drive.
Yeah.
Is that right? Do you think it's the same lines, Richard, where if you're walking across the road and a car comes along and beat its horn or whatever.
And instead of automatically running, you freeze and then the car hits you.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Because normally you're walking across the road, a car comes around the corner at, you know, whatever regular speeds.
And you think, right, you take your heels and you run to the other side of the road.
But sometimes people just freeze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.
Similar situation. Only the difference there, I think possibly is that it's a sound.
Whereas the the animal that does it actually doesn't make a sound.
It's not the roar of the tiger that causes you to freeze.
It's so I'm not saying it is a tiger that does this.
I can't remember what animals it is, but some animals can mentally freeze their their prey for seconds while they're pouncing.
I'm come on. And there's so much more so much more to that side of things.
And I think that's something that many of us realize.
We are mentally capable of actually sending images to loved ones while we're still alive.
Yeah. Call crisis apparitions.
Oh, come on. There's so much.
I tell you, we nobody realizes the potential of a really good TV documentary.
No, I don't think that.
Richard, get it going on. We're up for it. Yeah, I think it could be quite something.
We may learn more from it. That's what I mean.
We have to learn is by offended by opinion.
You know what I mean? Like, obviously, we don't truly, truly 100 percent know.
But the thing is, it's like, why don't we discuss it?
Because it can open up new possibilities for our research. Why?
Indeed. Yeah. Yeah. And we don't because we're all too busy running around screaming.
Exactly. Right. Right.
They don't want to be scared. Yeah.
And that's fine. And that's commercial. That's fine.
But don't get me wrong. There are of course lots of I'm not criticizing.
There are lots of paranormal groups out there that that a don't do it for a profit.
They don't do it commercially. There are genuinely, genuinely out there trying to find more out, you know, to prove what it's all about.
Yeah, there's no doubt about that. There are. But Richard, do you ever will.
So I think we'll have a proof. Yeah. Do you think we ever will?
I'm not saying millions of years. I'm just saying in the next, say, 10, 20 years, do you think we may?
I think the only way that it'll ever be proven is if all of our ancestors can come back and be around us when they're a bit like the day of the dead in Mexico or things like that.
Which again, they believe that. Yeah. But other than that, I'm not so sure.
Because, for instance, if just supposing just supposing I go down to the jail tomorrow night and I capture, I actually capture a ghost.
Yeah. And I get it in a bottle. I actually managed to do it in a bottle and it's in there. Let me out. Let me out.
There is a real ghost in there. Oh, my God. Yeah. OK.
And so the only way I'm going to prove that it's real is by I'll rent the Albert Hall in London, which has about 6000 people in it.
And I'm going to actually unleash it live, live to the world on the stage on the Albert Hall with a live audience, live audience of 6000 people.
And so I pull the cork out the bottle and out comes the ghost, just like a genie.
And everyone's going, oh, my God, people get up and run. People want to know more. They can see through it.
I put my hand through it and I said, right now, that's not enough. That's not enough.
Because basically everyone at home on TV was, I've done that done by mirrors. That's done.
That's a hologram that's that pre recorded. It's this is that anything.
I said, well, I'm going to get all 6000 people to come up onto the stage and meet the ghost and talk to the ghost and put your hand through the ghost and do and ask you questions.
Anything. And so people come up to the stage and the ghost.
Oh, do you know what? I was with your mother last night.
I remember she was actually killed by a number 37 bus on Waterloo Road in London in 1948.
She hadn't got his stockings on because of blah, blah, blah, because of the war was still on.
And she got a basket with two apples, three oranges and an oh, my God, this is absolutely right.
And it has a message for nearly all of the 6000 people on the stage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone at home would say they were all paid to say that.
Exactly. You're never going to win. No, no, no, no.
I don't think unless all of our ancestors come back to everybody all the time.
Yeah, and then it just becomes the norm. Yeah.
And then I'll be asked why don't that and there's a question.
Why don't our loved ones always just show up if they can manifest?
How come they do not? And I ask them, they don't know.
And I ask this constantly, you know, and I mean, my father passed away in 2020 and he constantly comes through,
says his full name through the spirit box. And it's really fascinating.
And the thing is, I always ask them, well, why won't you manifest in front of me?
Why don't you do it physically? And he goes, I just he goes, I won't.
It's not going to make a difference. You know what I mean?
I know, I know. But you know, but it's like I get it.
You know, why don't they? And then it goes back to that thing where is it us manipulating the environment?
You know, energy. But again, where the energy was in that.
Exactly. And of course, people will then say, oh, well, of course, they're not allowed to.
Why does they're not? Yeah. Who says they're not? Who goes back to God again?
Either. Yeah. Yeah. The church won't allow it. No, no, that's right.
I think God. I don't know. I don't know.
And I want to say you're right. Some do come back and I have had I have had visits by what I believe to be people who have recently passed away.
They were family of mine. Something recently happened that I saw my grandmother full bodied.
I mean, she was talking to me, I heard her voice and everything.
But the thing is, though, is that even when we have those experience, it's still at least to me, I don't know for everybody.
But to me, it's like I always want more. It's never enough.
And I feel like no matter what we give to this community of paranormal, I feel like it will never be enough.
That's right. That's right. And do not find as well.
Do not find as well that when that happens, because of everything that goes on and because of all these things that people say, you'll see that.
But then a while later, you think to yourself, well, did I actually say it?
You start doubting yourself. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I doubt every experience that I've had. Yeah. Me too.
I doubt it. But I mean, I think you have to if you really are or if you really are true to the research and you really are true to this field, I think you have to kind of doubt it, though, too.
Yeah, absolutely. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, there's energy. We know science.
We put to it. So I totally agree that I'm so happy we're having this conversation.
But the funny thing is, they attack us. Exactly. You're right. Both the church and science.
You're right. You're absolutely right. And it's sad that we can't all come to an agreement or work together.
But I'm hoping that for the common good of mankind. Exactly. Yes.
Exactly. Wow. Yes, they believe in God. Yes. It doesn't. Wow. Amazing. Absolutely.
Well, Richard, I want to ask you, since we got immediately into the history stuff, we broke off into debate.
What got you into the whole paranormal thing before you got with, you know, before you first got into it?
Because I'll be honest with you, it was purely and simply becoming chairman of Derby Tourism and realizing that I needed to find some way of getting people to come to the city of Derby.
And I thought, well, because be honest with you, although I've been frightened of ghosts all my life. Yeah. For no reason.
For no reason. Sorry. I mean, I never thought that nothing happened to me at all until I was 27. Nothing.
So nothing scared me other than kids that used to tell me ghost stories when I was very young.
They were older than me and they used to tell me and it terrified me.
I was very impressionable. And so I had a fear of ghosts, but not an interest in ghosts.
And it really started with me researching to get this ghost walk right, to believe in it.
And that's how it started purely and simply by realizing that this ghost walk, the first one I did was rubbish because it was silly stories I didn't believe in.
So I needed to believe in what I was talking about. Yeah. You're right.
And that's why I'm still to this day, 30 years on, still doing the same thing, having to believe in what I'm talking about. Yeah.
Can I just say one thing there before we go any further? Carl Hudson put a comment up now.
The best place he's ever been for a ghost investigation was Living Hall. That's where we are. Really? Well, I'll be damned. There you go.
Carl, Richard, have you ever been there? No, never been. Lidham St. Ann's is that? It is, yeah. Yeah.
No, never been. Well, you know where you've got to come to. Put it on the list. I know. That's it. That's it.
Put it on your list right after Connecticut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
There you go. Richard, I'm going to have a word with Charles and see what we can do about coming over because the potential could be good.
Because I do a show and all sorts of stuff. I do a show called Psychic and Science, a three hour stage show where I interact with the public.
The audience interacts on the stage. Everything from glass divination, table tilting. The whole works. I bring the audience on.
It helps if it's a haunted theater or haunted place. But yeah, I do all sorts of stuff. I sing for my supper, literally.
I like it. I think it's great. I think that's a great thing to do, too. You know, get people involved. Let them have a very experience, you know.
Yeah, I do. And the other thing I do is a dinner called Dining with the Dead, which is a four or five course meal with ghost stories in between.
I love that. That goes to treat as well. Tell me. Yeah. I'm watching Richard. How they can get involved in one of these things that you do hold.
Where can they find the information? Richard Felix dot co dot UK. Richard Felix dot co dot UK. My email is Richard Felix at GMX dot com.
Richard Felix at GMX dot com. But all my DVDs, my books, everything is on Richard Felix dot co dot UK. Awesome. Well, thank you so much.
My tours, where I'm going, what I'm doing and all sorts of stuff like that. Richard, we have a question for you from Dan. Well, as Richard, do you believe a ghost can drag you out of bed?
No. Why don't you? Why don't you? I'm sorry. If someone tells me that if it happened to them, who am I to say didn't? Yes. And I can't.
But personally, no, I don't. He goes, if you don't, why don't you? Why don't? Because number one, I'm not an expert.
You know, somebody's how can a ghost talk? It doesn't go to a voice book. Yeah, it's got the energy.
It hasn't got fingers. Yeah, energy. Yeah. But why would it want to drag anybody out of bed? Yeah. Really? I'm not funny.
But if someone has been, then, you know, I don't know, some form, some energy force has done that.
What be in energy? Yeah, I don't know. But it was a ghost. But if it was, why would that ghost want to drag you out of bed?
Yeah. What have you done to be dragged out of bed? Yeah. It's like, who did you piss off? Yeah.
You know, I'm the same with scratches and things like that, you see. You know, ghosts doesn't got fingernails. Yeah.
You know, the thing is, I've actually I've had that happen to me and it's weird because when it happens, it's like I don't feel that it's more like an energy.
Yeah. Yeah. Back to the energy thing, you see. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I really do. I'm not sure. I'm not like I was get sick as well. You know, but I tell it as it is.
Snap. My tea is nearly ready, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. So is mine.
So Dan says, Dan said, Richard, in the case of the Anfield poltergeist in the lounge of the 16 members in the Society of Paranormal Research at the same time,
a lot of objects were thrown around among other witness on different occasions, even a police officer as witness.
Do you believe there was an evil ghost there or another reason? What do you think was there?
Richard, I don't think there was an evil ghost there. But then again, I have said, you know, now I think some there's some form of energy that did it.
But you see that there was two prepubescent girls in the Anfield poltergeist, I believe.
And again, I just believe it's it's back to an energy thing that happened.
The first question I always ask with obviously they were witnesses.
But I always ask, you know, when they talk about poltergeist activity, the first question I say is, was it a council house?
Why was that got to do with it? Well, one of the easiest ones, because the council won't give you you don't like the neighbors and you want an exchange,
but the council won't let you move. So invent a poltergeist, an evil poltergeist terrifying the kids.
It gets on the newspaper and then it gets on the local news on TV.
And before you know it, the council feels they are duty bound to move you to another property.
Yeah. And that happens a lot. You know, yeah. And then the other one, then that host is liberal or something that doesn't even have.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the other one, I always ask, is there any pupa, there's no children in the house.
Absolutely. And the energy from them can cause things to move or people that have got mental problems.
Yes. You know, energy. Yes, I totally energy, energy.
Yeah, I totally agree that my father had a form of schizophrenia.
And even though he was totally able to work, he was a great guy, a big dude.
I mean, he was a strong group. I mean, but he would literally we'd be sitting in the living room and he would just look to the left.
But what's going on? He'd be like, you didn't just see that man in the top hat with the suit to just walk through the kitchen or the dog that's sitting next to me barking.
I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, he's a chill. You know what I mean?
But I want to say to Dan, I want to say he said, I hope you don't mind all the questions.
Think your work is fantastic, Richard. Learn more from you than I ever did at school.
And Dan, you have nothing to worry about. On this on this podcast, we want people to ask questions.
We want people to get involved. And they're actually gone. Exactly.
One thing he did ask right before that was he said, Richard, he said, what did you think about your regression that you had a while back?
Did you believe in it? What did you think of that regression?
I've done too, and I might say, I think there's a possibility that there is something in it because I believe that we actually all did that.
That there are different degrees that we can we can progress on to.
And I believe it's a little bit like not passing your driving test first time. You have to reset it.
So I think sometimes that's why there are people that have got absolutely no past lives that seem to come through because they actually passed to the next level.
And there are others who didn't pass to the next level. I have to come back again.
So there might be somebody with three or five past lives because that energy that goes somewhere has to go somewhere.
Does it sometimes come back and occupy?
And I don't believe in the same thing that Hindus believe in, like like a production line or a newborn baby, dead person soul, newborn baby, dead person soul.
I don't believe in that, but I believe that we sometimes have to come back again because we're not ready for the next level.
Absolutely. Where that level is and whether you do really play golf at one of the levels or the pub.
Right, right. Hey, I hope so. Right.
I've got one more question.
I've got one more question for Richard before we go. When people say this is another one that gets me.
Yes. Something happens in a building, a haunted building, and they say, oh, someone's opened the portal.
Do you believe in that kind of thing? Yes, I think there is a possibility.
Yeah, because it yeah, because again, they've got to come from somewhere. And there may be the maybe energy portal energy.
Yeah, I mean, it's just a little bit similar to back to this.
All I keep going about is energy, of course, is is that a prehistoric man used to build stone circles on energy sites.
He knew more than we realized about energy and stone and that. Yeah.
And the Chinese erect pagodas on energy sites in the ground and the same way as they stick needles in energy points on people's bodies.
It's the same sort of thing. Yes, yes, I think highly likely that portals could well be energy sites that somehow a call it what you will a spirit soul or whatever can can can come through.
Yeah. Yeah, but again, I think it's more of an energy thing again.
Yeah, I think that's a great I think that's a great, great way to look at it, too.
Like I said, you know, we go back to the you know, always energy thing all the time, because really that's like I said, like you said, and what we all said, you know, we are down to the cellular level energy.
I mean, we don't know how it works. We know what time we all know we're able to affect things electronically and stuff.
So we know that it is energy and we know that we are energy, which I find great.
I do have two things. One question that I for Gina, she said, looking forward to my loan vigil tomorrow in the Derby.
I know Gina is actually spending 13 hours alone in Derby Jack.
Well, will she be alone because we know for well that normally.
Yeah, she's spent and she's actually raising cash for to keep Derby Jail going to be quite honest with you because we have lots of different expense.
And she's actually trying to raise money tomorrow night by spending 13 hours alone in Derby Jail.
We do have a slightly aggressive, funnily enough jailer who ran the place that that when I say aggressive, yeah, aggressive, not evil, aggressive, that still thinks he runs the place.
And it's going to be an interesting night.
And she's basically if you if you want to donate to it, if you go to Gina Sunderland's Facebook page, she has a way of just giving, I think.
She's already raised some cash for me. She does a fantastic job for me, actually.
And yeah, God forbid she's 13 hours alone in Derby Jail. I wouldn't do it. I'll tell you.
No way, Jose. Christine would do it. No, Christine wouldn't do it.
No.
Please ask me and also ask you this question, Richard. She says, Do you watch American TV shows such as Ghost Avengers? And what do you think of them?
And yes, I do watch all the American TV shows, some I do like, some I don't like.
Like, for example, I've been a huge fan of Ghostbusters since the beginning.
But what people need to understand about the entertainment industry like me, Richard and everyone's been talking about is 50 percent entertainment, 50 percent real investigating.
Yes, Ghostbusters, I have had people that worked with Travel Channel that have worked with them.
And yes, they do do their own investigation. You have to understand in entertainment, they have to produce something.
So even if even if they don't feel something, I'm sorry. But yes, sometimes they have to they have to do it.
Now, when you're in this field for as long as Richard has been for some of these guys that do do these shows, they are probably a little sensitive to this energy or they may have some type of sensitiveness to it.
So you can't discount that. But in the same time, when it comes to entertainment, you have to understand it's 50 percent this and 50 percent this.
So, you know, I mean, you have to take it with a grain of salt, like what Richard has been saying.
But to see people who aren't in entertainment, right, Richard, they're doing this for the right reason. You'll know what is what is real.
Yeah. But I like what you've just said about after a period of time, a sensitivity to it, because I always say I'm not mediumistic.
I'm not psychic. I'm not a sensitive. But I believe I have become sensitive to the subject.
And I respect them. And I believe that they respect me.
Yeah, which is what it's all about. Back to finish on the word respect.
It's back to respect. Yeah.
It's all about Richard. One more question.
Go on. I can smell the curry. Will you please come on here again sometime?
Of course I will. Only two, please. Let's do another hour and a half. Yeah.
I love it. I don't know what you have planned.
So yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything. Anytime you like. Get in touch with me.
Excellent. AJ and Christine will add you on Facebook as well.
Yeah. And Richard, I wanted to say I wanted to say that I'm going to be in contact with you because if you're going to come to Connecticut to do Paracon, that'd be great.
I'd love to see you there. I mean, it's great to be in. Yeah.
And even though it's supposed to be Darby, but Darby, Connecticut would be awesome to see you at.
And I'd love to see you there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, let's do it.
I would love to have you there. I mean, I can organize a few events while I'm there to pay for what I'm doing, you see, to pay for my.
Yeah, let's do it. Please. I mean, if I can help you set something up, please let me know.
Also, please. Yes, please. Awesome. Awesome.
I want to thank every single person who has watched. I know Richard is so grateful for the questions.
I know I am. Everybody is. So, Richard, anything you want to leave?
Can you leave them with some places that they could check out everything like you did before so they can come to your site, help you with whatever?
Yeah, Richard, Richard and Felix dot co dot UK. The books are on the DVDs are on the tours, the places I go, what I'm doing all on Richard Felix dot co dot UK.
Only to please answer any questions or anything. Yeah. Come and talk to me.
Richard. Fascinating person, my friend. I'm so happy I got a chance to actually.
And a pleasure. Really. My friend.
And I thank you so much for the work that you're doing with the ghost tours, with everything.
I mean, keep even Gina keeping these places alive is something. Yeah.
So important, Gina. Thank you for putting that in the in the comments.
Richard's Richard stuff. Richard Felix dot co dot UK. Richard, again, thank you so much.
And thank you. Good afternoon.
You. I'll stay in touch.
Yeah. Cheers guys. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
Oh, that's so cool. It's oh, oh where'd you go?
Actually, actually, Chris. Oh, oh no.
There we go. Sorry Chris, my apologies but oh man, I just want to.
That was amazing.
That was a good podcast. That was. Yeah, that was the thing that I want people to understand.
You know, we're not here to like judge people. We're not here to judge religion
We're not here to judge people who believe in what they believe in
The thing is is that these are conversations no matter what you believe in that we kind of have yeah
And if you're in God, you're right
And if you're in this field, you have to you can't just say every single thing is this it has to be
Everybody has an opinion
Matters that's the problem. It's like whether you believe in that opinion or not
It's still somebody's giving them respect going back to what that is. So important also
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