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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here, host of Talking with the Source. I'm here with my good friend and other host, as he's out of the screen.

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It's Jason Voorhees from Hopper and Paranormal. I'm talking with the source.

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Jesus Christ. Do you see this shit people? This is what I deal with. Anyway, we have an awesome guest here. One of my good friends. Go ahead my friend, introduce yourself.

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What's up guys, I'm Ben Werbelow. Nice, awesome. So, a little bit of how me and Ben met. I work at a gas station near my house. He ended up coming in and we got into a paranormal discussion.

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Believe it or not, he might actually be joining the Coventry Circle Paranormal with me. We can get our schedules right. I wanted to bring him on today because he had some awesome paranormal experiences.

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I wanted him to share some with our viewers. So, any of the viewers that have your own paranormal experiences, please feel free to put them in the comments or anything. Just get involved in the conversation and we'll put it up on the screen for you.

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So, Ben, first question I wanted to ask you was, how old were you when you got into the paranormal? Was it ever since you were a kid or just something you got into later in life? What was it?

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I'd say as a kid I was afraid of the dark so I didn't want to have anything to do with really the paranormal. I think as I got older and maybe into college, well I guess it was probably high school age I would start exploring abandoned buildings with my friends.

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Buildings with friends and stuff like that. And just trying to conquer my fears at that point. I got that close at some point. So, we'd go to different places and see if we'd come across anything. So that's basically how it started back in my high school age.

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Nice, nice. What was I going to say? So, you, hey Ashley Hill, how are you?

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Ashley.

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Robin, I'm going to let you ask the next question because I have a couple that I want to ask but I want to save it. So go ahead because you don't know Ben like I know him.

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You've basically explained everything to me anyway.

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You're right, I did.

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You did. He was talking about you behind your back. See, this is what it was.

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He's not the only one but yeah, that's all good, definitely.

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No, no, I mean at the end of the day he said to you, you know, he said to me about how he's going to have you join his team and stuff like that. So, if he's down with that, then I'm down with that.

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Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, so it's something that's always been interesting to me and I think what really ignited that desire was when I was in college at Southern Connecticut State University.

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My freshman year we had Ed and Lorraine Warren come to our school, they give a presentation and they told stories about Annabelle from the movies. They didn't really mention too much about the conjuring but just Dudley Town, places in Connecticut, Union Cemetery, Monroe, stuff like that.

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So, I've been with friends, I would go and try and go to some of these places and so...

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I tell you what, Union is so hard to get into. I called the town, I spoke to the people, they will not allow anybody. Ed and Lorraine Warren ever since they went there, like people I guess gone, that went there and vandalized people, loved one stuff.

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At dark, they have a cop sitting there now and if you do come in, they prosecute you to the fullest. And they were like, you can go during the day and investigate if you want but you're not going in once dusk hits and I'm like, wow, like I even offered to pay and everything.

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So, they said that Ed and Lorraine ruined that cemetery and I was like, well, it's not them who ruined it, it's people going there and being disrespectful who shouldn't be disrespectful and they made a bad name for most paranormal researchers.

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So, tell me man, before me and you met at the gas station, was there any things that were starting to get you into the paranormal again or was it just right when we saw we just had that conversation just connected?

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Yeah, I mean I've always been interested and like wanting to do stuff, you know, not like why I do it like every year but I don't know exactly how the conversation came up. It just kind of seemed like it was just supposed to happen that day and then once it started, it just took off with it and ran.

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We were talking for like an hour and a half, right? It was like what, 12 at night, one at night?

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Yeah, it was one something, probably yeah, I mean about an hour, yeah, I was like, it went.

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A lot of stuff.

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Yeah, we sort of trust each other on, you know what I mean, on what we say so if he says you're good at it and stuff like that then I believe his word.

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There's another guest coming in and she's from New Zealand, she's very good.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, she's also a medium, correct?

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Yeah.

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She does like, she can do remote, like through your phone if you go live or do a messenger call and you go through your location, she can do the, through the phone, I can't remember what the word is, Nando.

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Hey, I want to say hi to Charles Rudd, Stanley from Boston and Nando, my brother, what's going on?

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What up, what up, what up?

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So tell me man, I know you told me, you told me one paranormal experience and I want you to save the serious one for obviously now, but tell them the one that you told me about before you tell the one that was, you know, the most serious one.

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So yeah, I have a couple of good ones, you know, like, I mean, I could talk about using a Ouija board and stuff like that but if you want to just hear something just really, please, whatever experience you want to share.

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So, when I was in college, I was dating a girl who started like, who was into the Ouija board a lot and we've used it with a bunch of different friends and it was probably middle of October, and we asked it who would win the Super Bowl, and it spelled out GB.

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And for those of you that don't know too much about football, that's not even halfway through the NFL season anyway, whoever we're using it with, we live in the dorms or with high school friends or friends from college, wherever it was, every time we'd asked it who would win the Super Bowl, it spelled out GB.

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And so, about, you know, when the end of the football season ended, which was like, you know, end of July.

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The team we were saying is GB, it's GB, and GB ended up winning the Super Bowl that year so I wish I had some money on it but, you know, it was always, it was every single time, GB and I thought that was something that was interesting, you know, if there was sports books open then.

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But who would have thought like oh let me trust the board, right, you know what I mean, like am I really getting any answers but did you end up having any like bad experiences with the Ouija board? So we used it until probably for like a year or so.

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One time I was with some friends here in Durham and we're downstairs at his house using it and it just started going like really real fast and it would go so fast, it was like force, kind of was like strong and it was like, and it stopped and it spelled out.

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And then we started spelling go away. And then we started bugging out and then it said like it's like F-U-K-N-O-W and we're like, and then we're, but it was going so fast and we're just like, and it stopped right on these letters and we're like, it scared all of us so much and none of us ever touched it ever again.

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And we don't know what that is because it didn't want us using it so like let's stop right now. Yeah, they say that with the Ouija board, the reason why they tell people not to use it is because they say that it connects with the lower vibrational being so you'll always get something not so great.

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I've had great sessions too, I mean I've had a terrible experience but I've had great sessions with it too, I don't use it anymore but when I did, I've had sessions like you where nothing crazy or bad had happened or anything but I tell you what, it is a scary situation because you don't know what can follow you from that situation.

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So it's scary but I'm glad everything worked out. Yeah, it could have gone a lot worse I guess.

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Yeah, it's not the kind of thing that I would use I tend to stay away from that but I've seen it being done. I've stood in a room and watched it and people will say well if you're in the same room when it's being done, you may as well have your finger on the glass but

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I'm always curious about them. I'll watch them and stuff like that but as far as participating now.

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Yeah, everybody. No it's not. I feel like most people don't want to use them most people like, you know, that so. Yeah, definitely I'm totally with you on that I mean there's a lot of people that don't want to use them just because of the bad stigma the movies.

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Everything but I think the reason why people have such bad experiences, is because they go in with the intent thinking like, oh, I'm going to have a bad experience or I'm scared and I think that intent is such a big thing in this field when we're like trying to connect with these

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people and they're going to get disrespect, you're going to get disrespect in return I feel and it's happened to a lot of people where you see these people go into locations, and these spirits are so annoyed with people coming in like, oh, light up this light for me and it's like what am I a circus act you know if I was a spirit I'd be like no go kill yourself, you know,

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I just don't understand when people have certain intent going and be disrespectful. There is another side. There's another side of it for you hear the stories about these people who actually make them, and they actually put something into them as they're making it.

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I mean, whether it's a, like a spell or whatever they want to call it, the put bad intent into it as they're making it. So, if that's the case, then it's never ever going to house anything good, is it?

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No, no, never. I mean, but then again you know like how strong is whatever they're putting in it are they a cultist do they really know what they're doing like that's the whole aspects behind it you know, I mean, who knows, I mean just the energy alone we know that energies, you know, positive and negative I mean if you take a jar of rice, and you seal the jar up two

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jars, and each morning or each night, you say to one jar, very positive things, and then to the second jar you say very negative things, you'll actually see the positive jar, never change color and the rice will stay fine, but the jar that you've said negative stuff to the rice will

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start to mold and decay. So it goes to show that the energy actually, you know, energy in our lives actually have that. And Charles just said you know they have them to sell to children and yes I think that's so wrong.

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Because, you know, they can some serious could seriously happen to a child that doesn't know what they're getting themselves into but, you know, like I said, you have great experiences like Ben have had.

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And then you've had experiences like I had that got me away from using it where I had something attached to me which was horrible. I think if we didn't stop we could have had that happen.

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Yeah, it was good but ended up bad and we're like we're done, you know, because we knew it worked and knew there was something going on with it there was some thing that we were connected to that, you know, was interesting and then it got kind of scary at the end so

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we just left it at that. Yeah, well it's good that you guys knew what you're doing at that time too because if you didn't close it or something that would have been bad. Right. So tell us man I've been waiting to hear this one.

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So tell us this experience I want well I'm gonna go.

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I want to say one story about Dudley town I was after I'd seen them at college like you know we're talking with friends and like you know one of my friends had said they had gone to Dudley town, and was telling me a couple of different stories

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about like, he said, you know how there's no animals there it's like dead quiet. Yeah, you don't hear like any, any noises from any kind of living creatures.

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You know it's a bunch of like, basically foundation stone walls there's really not much in there but he said when he was there was at night, and he said one of the things I remember him saying is like that he saw this like flash of light flash like, I don't know maybe like five or so feet off the

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ground and it went this parallel with the ground, and it basically just flashed, you know like across in front of them and didn't hit like any trees it's like this light this like, you know, was basically said like a laser that shot shot through the woods.

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And then he said that he said that he was with a friend, and I don't remember whether it was him or his friend is one of them said to the other person.

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And the person was like no I don't you know I don't hear this noise and, and the person's like well what does it sound like, and then they were, they were told by their friend well it sounds like some kind of a machine in the woods or maybe a plane.

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But the other person never heard the noise right next to him right right yeah it was it was standing you know like within, you know, five you know, right right there within three feet of each other, you know so one person heard this noise and the other person didn't

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know what it was actually went there with my brother. I went there my brother had not really known anything about the background, he says that there was no animals like supposed to be that quiet so we're walking in there and started getting a little bit dark,

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and also my brother goes to me he's like he's like he's like, he's like, wait he's like do you hear that noise and I was like, I'm like what are you talking about, and he was like, and I knew exactly I knew what he was gonna say before I said it and he was

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like, he's like it sounds like a machine in the woods. And I was like you know I was like oh my god like, that's the same thing that that person.

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And I was like it sounds like a machine I said it sounds like a machine in the woods, and he's like, yeah he's like, and he's like you don't hear it I said no and he goes well maybe it's a plane.

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So without knowing anything about the story. The same thing happened to me and my brother and then I was like no I was like you know what my, my friend from high school like told me the same story.

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And, and then we just got like we were like a little nervous and we're like let's get the hell out of here. So it started getting dark and we were like, you know we don't want to get arrested we figured if we're there dark in the dark it might not be good but I'm just with

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the idea. He keeps telling me he wants to go. I would, yeah, go it's it's it's hard to find it probably was like we've gone up a few different times and went to the wrong place we finally knew we're in the right place, and it's really another thing

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like you think you in cemeteries, hard to go in Easton, this is even harder. Oh yeah, cops patrol like crazy for any viewers I don't know what Dudley town town is in Connecticut.

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Dudley town is an old town where the Puritans basically settled. And basically there was a curse that they believe that fell over this town just one thing after another and they basically abandoned this entire town.

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And like he was saying you know people go there there won't be any animals they won't hear literally anything. Um, but there's been so many recorded things going on like one of the first stories that I ever heard was these people went there these kids went

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there and they thought like, trying to act cool and they're like I'm a demon slayer and they're making fun of demons because this place is well known to have demons I guess running around it and when they left they were in their car driving and this truck was coming down the road.

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And the truck almost nailed them and they had to swerve off the road and the trucker stop and got out of the car and was like, Oh my god like I did not see your vehicle until I was about to crush you guys for some somehow they were cloaked, and this guy

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didn't see them. And they almost had a massive, massive death on that road but wherever they were going from but it was one of the serious things that I've ever heard coming from there and I've had a lot of friends that go there and stuff and have gone there and you know

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they said a lot of things like my ex girlfriend said the same thing. One of the well known things about there is that people leave their cars like park on certain roads, or somewhere I forget what road it is to Dudley town and they'll find like children handprints,

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and they come back, which is like the coolest weirdest thing, but I mean it would freak me out. But I've been dying to go there and I've been dying to put you know that place to rest because I want to know if it's as serious as, you know, everybody makes it out to be but when I hear

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stories like yours and stuff it makes me want to go even more man. Yeah, I think I remember one of the things that when the warrants were talking about the lifetime when the first stories I remember them telling was that I guess there was a couple that were there and they

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were going to spend the night, but like the woman or whatever. I guess she, she's like you know I can't stay over here and so she left but she left the man by herself and I guess when she went back the next day like he was alive but he whatever he encountered

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terror. He went through. He was never able to speak again. He was so afraid that like I guess he was never able to talk again and just kind of like, you imagine what you have to go through to lose your mind like that to lose your mind like that like I can't even imagine

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like what he would have saw. Yeah, experienced, experienced. Yeah, whatever. So, but that was one of the first things that I remember them saying I was like, well, don't want to go there alone. Yeah, definitely. Now do you get to go out with any of your friends now and go any places by chance I mean I know you're working totally all the time.

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I haven't gone out. Really, any adventures probably since like around 2020 2019 was probably really it's been a couple years and so I've done stuff. I've been, you know, I was always interested but yeah I've been working a lot and busy in the summer times when

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is really prime weather you know what was that you need to get back right again get out there's a place down the road that you know like this is the town I grew up and there's a place on the road that has, you know, we've talked about the cemetery down there checking out.

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Yeah, but I definitely want to like, I do have a little more time now. So, I definitely hope I can't wait to do go on my next adventure. Definitely and we're gonna get out there because the place that he was talking about was the one that I had the attachment from.

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Hi Tracy, how are you. Thank you for joining us. Um, and that was a place that I had that you know that attachment Robin the last time I went because I forgot to protect myself and I've been dying to go back there because I got such great spirit box responses man and like just

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everything that was happening that night I went alone which are stupid, because I was terrified I'm terrified of the dark. I'm worried about someone attacking me not like ghosts and shit.

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Like an animal or something like a knife on me you know the thing is like when you go out by yourself you don't have anybody really to share that story with you, at least you have one person I got his film.

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Exactly. And if you even have one person to experiment with, you have a story with that person that you know for the rest of your life and a lot better than who's gonna believe me.

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Yeah, and the annoying thing as well is is the laws over there compared to here, because I go around abandoned buildings everywhere over here, and it's only a civil offense. So, if the police are called which sometimes they are.

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And, you know, they come and they just say, could you could you just move on, you're like yeah yeah fair enough. If you're damaging stuff if you're setting fire to this place. If you're, you know, if you give them a load of shit basically then then they'll say right, you know, you're coming with us.

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Hey we got on. We have Janie with us. Hey Janie.

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Hello everybody.

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I'm very good. Thank you. How are you? Good. Good.

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This is fantastic, by the way.

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Hey,

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Hi,

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Hi,

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So, Jenny I was just actually, I was just actually going to introduce you to my friend Ben here.

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Hey, what's up, what's up. How are you, please tell our viewers a little bit about yourself.

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So I'm currently in New Zealand. I'm originally from Australia, was born in New Zealand so I have come home.

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I do a lot of paranormal and cryptic research.

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A lot of it essentially is done in the bush.

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I'm not much for a location person.

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Only because the industry is flooded.

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But a lot of my talents are well served in the bush. So, as history has it, I've been able to find,

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you know, historical locations to Indigenous people. I have done,

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oh god, there's so many things.

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Yeah, yeah, I've actually sort of started getting into it.

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I do have abilities, so I've been able to sort of hone in on those, which helps me quite a lot in the industry.

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Awesome.

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And so a lot of my things that I do at the moment is to do with, obviously being here, I have teams that I work with in Australia and other things around the world.

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But essentially what I do is I can from here remote view and take my teams out.

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And so when they're out in the bush, I can direct them to, you know, we do a lot of, as you would call it, Sasquatch work, big foot work.

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But yeah, what I do is I will just take the team out, I will remote view and I will guide them to where they are in the mountain.

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I've led them out of the mountain when they've been lost.

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Yeah, so there's just a few things that, yeah, it's a broad spectrum.

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And her house is haunted as well.

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Thank you, Pada.

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Your house is haunted, isn't it?

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Yes.

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Welcome to the club.

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Yes, yeah. You know, it's funny how we always attract it, isn't it?

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The light in a dark room, isn't it?

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Absolutely.

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So what about yourself?

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I'm from Connecticut.

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I'm from the USA.

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Ben as well, obviously, because he's with me.

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And as you know already Robin, where he's from.

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But I've been...

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Not that you do because I don't.

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Yeah, I know.

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He's still walking with one thong on his foot, one jandal.

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The left shoe, he's still walking with the left shoe.

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Yeah, well, listen, I have two left feet so I could completely understand.

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That one.

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Biggest cluck you'll ever meet.

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I've been in the world for almost 10 years now as just a researcher doing, you know, investigations and stuff like that.

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But I switched my investigations now to...

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I got away from residential and stuff like that.

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I wanted to do more spirit communication work.

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So I've been focusing a lot on that now.

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I mean, I do go out to locations.

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I like to go to like the older cemeteries that we have over here from like the 1600s and stuff like that.

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I still go to locations that are famous and stuff.

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But I like doing stuff that isn't what everybody else is doing, if that makes sense.

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Yeah, what he's talking about there is dressed up as a woman and standing on the street corner.

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I didn't hear about that.

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Yeah, he's just...

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I didn't see him in any clothes in there.

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Hey, Ben, welcome to Coventry Circle Paranormal.

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Yeah, yeah.

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See what I do with Janie? See?

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Where men are ladies and ladies are ladies.

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Oh, gosh.

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Well, anyway, Janie, before we were coming, Ben was sharing some experiences.

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And I wanted to know if you could share some of your most profound paranormal experiences with us.

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OK, probably profound.

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Oh, there's quite a few.

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So I will share one of my favorites that was in the bush.

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You want location favorite?

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No, no, no, no, anything. Anything you want to share.

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OK, so one of my favorites would have to be at a place called Mount Tiburgaugan in Sunshine Coast,

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which is in Australia.

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And so I was out, you know, this is a fairly new location for me.

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I'd been there once before and then went out again.

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And when I...you sort of park in the car park and it's all bush, it's right in the middle of the bush.

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And you walk down and there's a...in the center of this national park is a mountain.

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And it's sort of like a...I'd have to get photos for you if you're to understand.

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But it's a beautiful, beautiful mountain national park, very rich, very, very lush.

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And so I've walked in and I sort of stood at the top of this hill.

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So as you kind of leave the car park, you walk into the center and then you go down, just sort of down a little bit,

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you know, down a little bit of a hill.

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And I'm standing at the top and I started taking photos.

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You know, the instinct kicks in and you start taking photos.

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And I noticed during when I was scanning through that it looked like at the end,

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so all the trees would come over into a beautiful little archway.

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And I noticed at the end that it looked like a door.

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And I thought, now, I took photos from here last time and I never noticed that before.

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But, you know, like I thought, sometimes we can miss things.

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It's not uncommon.

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So I get down to the bottom and I thought, no, this is feeling not right.

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So I put my hand on the ground and as soon as I sort of put my hand down and I looked up

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and right before my eyes was a complete slaughter field of old Indigenous people.

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Oh wow.

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And so one of them was sort of looked over at me and he just reaches his arm up and they were just torn.

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They were, you know, blood everywhere.

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There were things missing.

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It was a slaughter.

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And I'm standing there processing and just observing everything that I possibly can,

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as much information that I can before it closes.

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And I stand up and I looked at the friend who, you know, one of my friends who had taken me

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and he said to me, what did you see?

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And I said, it's a slaughterhouse.

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Like, and he said, you know what?

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The Indigenous people in the area, they knew that, so what would happen is when colonisation happened,

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the English would come in and they would round up all of the males in surrounding towns

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and they would lead them to one place and then they would kill them.

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And they never knew where this particular area was.

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They knew what happened.

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They just didn't know where it was.

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And so I was able to put that to rest, you know, to be able to give them that information.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's crazy because you're, you know, having an ability, people think that it's like this grand thing,

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but in reality, it's like it's a curse and a gift.

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You know what I mean?

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It's like, it's crazy.

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You know, the thing, you know, especially seeing something so horrific like that, it's just, you know, it's wild.

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But I mean, even Jennifer was shocked by what you just said.

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I mean, we all are.

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I want to switch this question over to Ben real quick.

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So, Ben, what do you think happens when we die?

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In your own opinion?

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Everyone has their own opinion.

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No one's an expert.

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Just tell me, what would you think happens when you pass away?

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Honestly, I really have no clue.

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I don't really think about it much.

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I just kind of like, you know, there's something because I know there's, you know, like just with the experiences

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that we've obviously all had that links that there's some kind of energy out there.

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I don't really know.

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I mean, like I just try and enjoy life while I'm here.

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I would, man.

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Hey, it's a big question to ask, you know.

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I don't know.

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I'm going to ask you the same thing, Janie.

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What do you think happens when we pass away?

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What do I think or what do I know?

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Well, I know you're going to say no.

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I'm going to say no because I want you to tell us what you know, but I just, you know, I say it like that to make it sound better.

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Okay.

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So in my own experiences from what I remember, I have, you know, when you pass, you are met by your genetic ancestors.

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It is like a string, same as what you would find as you go into the ether.

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And you're met by these people who, or your family as per se.

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And you go through in a session, sorry, you go through a review of your lifetime.

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I don't know if you understand things like the Toth tablets.

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I recently did some research on that as well, just to, you know, find understanding.

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And I guess you could say, you know, if there was more information to it.

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And I do believe that the Toth tablets do talk a lot about what happens when you pass and the different ascension levels.

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My belief system isn't like the textbook everybody jumps on the groups, you know, T-shirt kind of thing.

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I view things the way I view things, whether they're right or wrong.

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But I do believe that once we do pass over, we don't leave Earth.

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Now we will either become reincarnation.

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Everybody believes in reincarnation in the Toth tablets.

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They talk a lot about, you know, having to go through a thousand years in spirit realm before you reign,

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before you're reinstated back into Earth and to be approved because there's only so many people that can be on Earth as people.

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And so my thing is, I do feel that every soul is inhibited on this planet,

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whether it is via a tree, a flower, a bee, a, you know, particle of rivers, rocks.

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You know, you could be a tree standing for a thousand years and then all of a sudden die, but be reincarnated as a human.

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You know, those are the things that just that I believe.

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It doesn't mean that they're right or wrong.

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I believe that sometimes paranormal, and you'll freak about this, but this is a belief system that I have.

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Only from work that I've done that this has come about.

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But I feel that sometimes human interaction with paranormal could also be a lot to do with, yes, there's spirit realm,

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but there's also spirits passing.

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So we all know that when we sleep, we will go into, you know, most of us will go into the ether.

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Some of us will astro travel into different dimensional realms.

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Now, what if on passing, while you were doing a EVP recording or a spirit box session

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that I was asleep on this side of the planet traveling around and just so happened to come past you?

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Yeah, no, I mean, I totally believe it.

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I mean, I've actually traveled once and I tell you what, it was the most crazy experience I've ever had, like crazy experience I've ever had.

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So I totally agree with that. I totally do agree that our consciousness when we sleep will travel,

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like we'll leave this body and travel to other realms and stuff like that.

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That is something you truly believe. Yes, I do too.

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Yeah. So my thing was like, you know, what if, you know, for that one instance that, you know, like I said,

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once you're doing the spirit box session and I just happened to come past and hear it and then come down and go like,

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oh, hey, how are you going, you know, mention my name.

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And then all of a sudden people are like, well, we've got a ghost.

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So, you know, I'm not discrediting that there's spirits and that because absolutely there is 100 percent and there's residual energy.

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And we all know that, you know, plasma or that sort of stuff.

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We do understand that ghosts are absolutely here and around us.

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And yeah, I also feel that sometimes, you know, and no one's going to ever know that.

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But it just might be that somebody who's in astro travel mode might just be popping into a spirit box.

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Yeah. It entered that. I mean, that for me was kind of.

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Kind of mind blowing thing to come across.

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It's so funny because I've talked to a lot of different mediums and, you know, some of the stuff they said obviously resonates with what you said.

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But, you know, it's so crazy because if people actually like heard a lot of the stuff that mediums like yourself get,

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they would be like, well, that's not what I believe because of religion or because of this and this.

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And it's sad that, you know, it has such a hold over everyone like religion itself, like it has to be this way or no way

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that we can't be open minded and think maybe that, yes, this has a piece of it, but there's so much more.

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And like I say to people, I feel that God's so much bigger than any one book that you could put any information in.

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And I just feel that we can learn from every single one of the religions, not just one in particular.

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And I think they all have knowledge that we can take and learn from.

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But when I hear mediums, I mean, some of the amazing stuff you guys have told me about the afterlife is nothing what we would expect.

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I think when you really date back, obviously, a lot of the, you know, the rewriting of history

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and the closing off of so much information because of, you know, greed and all that sort of stuff.

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We've all heard it before. You know, I think that when you date it right back, you know, the Indian cultures,

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I know for my cultures, like I'm Polynesian, so I'm Fijian, Samoan, Maori, Irish descent.

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And so I have a lot of similarities between the cultures where, you know, they talk about this mountain being a sister,

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this water stream being, you know, but when you really date back even past that, it's all the same.

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It all dates back to the same things. They all talk about the great floods. They all talk about the sky people.

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They all talk about, you know what I mean? So and the different ascension levels and, you know,

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how humans used to live for a very long time and, you know, 800 years, but we've been squashed down over the years of control.

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It's kind of like putting a big fish in a small fish bowl, you know, small fish in a big bowl.

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Like they grow to the size of that, of their brain capacity and what they can take.

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And so- Not to stop you right there, but science actually just came out and said the reason why things were so much bigger back in the day

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was because the oxygen level on Earth was greater than it is now.

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And that actually contributed to a lot of growth in like, you know, animals and plants and us and all this stuff.

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That's why you would see, you know, humans in in biblical times being 10 feet tall or whatever along those lines.

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And I think science just kind of clarified all of that that is being said because they figured out that, you know,

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the oxygen level on Earth has dropped so significantly that that's why we're having, you know, a lot of things are smaller and stuff like that.

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So, I mean, who knows? I mean, but like you say, I had to stop you there because that, you know, that there's so much truth in what you're saying.

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Thank you. Yeah, I do.

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You mustn't have an 800 years of this. I'm struggling to get by on 45. Yeah.

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I'm going to do this. Good. So good. Oh, yeah.

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Charles says when I asked to travel, I had my main spirit guide go with me and ask another guide watch my body.

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Yeah. Yeah, that can be done. Is that a smart way to go about it?

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Um, you know, what is the strawberry taste like to you?

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You know, true, true. It's an individual thing. If he feels a lot safer for somebody to be guarding his body, then so be it.

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I'm I'm just different. Like, so when people bring to me their experiences, I, you know, I don't relate them as what I experience because that's just egotistical.

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You know, like, who am I? You know, I'm just another person going through this plane as well. So, you know, each to their own.

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It's how that's how every person does their own thing and what what's comfortable and safe for them. And it's on their own ascension level.

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Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that. Robin, you have any questions you'd like to ask them?

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I today, like I said, today was just going to be a short live, but I just wanted to, you know, come on and share some of Ben's experiences.

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Introduce Ben, because he'll probably be getting seen more often and go from there.

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But just started. I have a lot. My story is getting better and better as I go on. This is a little warm up.

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So any questions? Yeah, you have any questions for him, Janie, anyone? Anybody hungry?

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I've not come across any of you before, so this is all exciting for me. So, Ben, have you just started in the paranormal industry?

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Is that right? I mean, like, I've always been interested. Yeah, but like I hadn't really, you know, besides just gone out with friends and gone, you know, this stuff for fun.

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I haven't really. Yeah, I haven't really pursued it. I've always been interested.

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I always wanted to, you know, like from watching like the TV show Ghost Hunters back in the day and like, man, that'd be like so much fun.

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Like, I wish I had a crew to go do that with, you know. So yeah, when he met me, I was like, well, I'm looking for a sidekick.

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So I was like, why not bring him on in and, you know, break the cherry, right?

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That's how it stops. Welcome to the rabbit worm. Right.

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It's like when I met AJ, I was an idiot. Hey, I'm still an idiot.

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Well, not much changes there, people.

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But yeah, but Janie, I want to say thank you so much for coming on.

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I'm going to actually talk to you when we get off of this, because I want to actually schedule you to come on if you wouldn't mind being a guest and coming on and sharing more of your information.

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I don't want to share too much of your stuff now because I want to save it for when you come on.

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But I want to talk to you back and see if we could get you scheduled and stuff. That'd be cool.

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100% fine. Absolutely. Before I do go though, I want to show what Jennifer White just said.

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She said, so when you sleep, you're saying your spirit leaves your body. Is your experience what you dream, what your dream about kind of thing?

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That makes sense. The last thing she said. Go ahead, Janie. I'll answer that.

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OK, so, you know, I believe again, not everybody has to believe this, but I believe that I have seven souls to my body. What I do with my seven souls is basically guide and direct them with the help of my spirit guides.

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And so seven levels of ascension to me has been able to develop me to go and do these things. So one is like, I guess you could say in a trance-like state, I can teleport, but only mentally, not like physically.

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I can send my certain souls off in dream state. They'll go and retrieve information and bring it back, which is to answer your question. Also, things like remote viewing, certain souls that have been allowed to encompass those gifts for me is what brings them back to me.

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So that information is then relayed. Yes, you do leave your body. If you are astro traveling, this is the key to astro traveling is your actual spirit will up and leave your body.

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And that is the difference between I can keep my soul intact, my spirit intact, but send off my spirits to go and do these things for me.

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Does that make sense? Yeah, no, that made complete sense. I appreciate that. So hopefully Jennifer understood that. I mean, I understood it completely. She said that's, hold on, I'll put it up right now. She said that's so surreal. I really want to know more about being an empath.

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Okay. So being an empath is again a little different. Again, this is just my belief, but I believe that empathic is to do with your internal self and the level of, you know, it deals with a lot of like human type things.

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So compassion, you know, feeling your senses, being able to look at somebody with body language with and just feeling it's feeling your environment. It's feeling that, you know, everything on the molecular levels to be able to see what is resonating.

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You know, you know, when somebody walks into a room, you look at them and you feel, you feel if they're an angry person, you feel if they're a happy person, you can feel if they're sad or, you know, those sorts of things.

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So when they come in, that's an empathic contribution that we have just been instilled with. So you're probably empathic and don't realize it. Some people's levels are just higher.

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Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I totally agree with that 100%. I'm one myself. It could be a pain being an empath. Let me tell you, picking up on everyone's energy if you don't protect yourself, it sucks.

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Robin, before we go though, anything you want to say? Because we're definitely having Janie come on because there's so much knowledge. I want to have her tell the viewers. And Jennifer said, thank you. That makes sense.

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Welcome, Jennifer.

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No, it just it does make total sense really when you think about it.

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Yeah, it does. Well, just everybody has all their different ideas. And that's what's that's what the annoying thing is, because one person will believe that and somebody else will believe something else and believe something else. But hey ho.

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I think the key to all of that is that we don't instill and enforce what somebody's belief is, because, you know, I know for me that if somebody was to sit there and choke me with their belief, I would be intimidated and straight away cut off any kind of spiritual connection

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whatsoever out of fear that I'm wrong. And the biggest problem in the paranormal and cryptic industry is people choking people out and saying, I'm I'm I know I know you don't. And it's it's a poison.

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They are being poisonous to the industry because we are all individuals. We all are living a different path. Doesn't mean I'm right or I'm wrong. These are just my beliefs from my journey that I've been shown.

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Yep. And like I say on this podcast all the time, anybody that claims they're an expert in this field is a liar. There's no such thing as an expert in this field. We all have opinions. We all have theories.

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Unfortunately, science, you know, it doesn't want to bring this in past pseudoscience, which I hope one day they do.

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Considering they just released on the CIA, the FBI website about the Gateway Project, which has to do with astral travel and the mind and ESP and all that stuff. So check that out, guys, on the FBI website or the CIA website.

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Oh, a long time. I'm just hoping that one day that they get, you know, they really put it into the actual scientific realm to find out what's going on. And then maybe one day, hopefully we could say someone's an expert. But until that time, nobody's an expert.

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There are still levels upon levels above that. And, you know, when you're going through, if anybody, you know, wants to claim that they're an expert, jump down quantum physics avenues, jump down metaphysics avenues.

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You know, it's OK to sort of understand small, but quantum physics is quantum physics. Like there is no end to understanding that it is just a continuum.

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And, you know, like I go through a lot of that information because I need to understand, you know, I will level up all the time.

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I'm continuously leveling up in my gifts and I need to understand what is happening to me.

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And so this is why my knowledge base is so vast is because I have, you know, I have that need to know who I am.

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Yeah, no, definitely. And I think that's so important. And I think that's awesome that you do that because the amount of knowledge that I could just feel coming off of you.

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That's why I want to have you on because just this little bit of time you've instilled us with a lot of knowledge that we would have never thought of if you had you not shown up.

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So I really appreciate it. But I want to thank Ben and I want to thank you, Jenny, for coming on.

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Please stay around until this gets over so we can talk in the back and get you scheduled.

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But thank you guys for coming on. I'm going to end the session now. But I appreciate you guys all.

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All the viewers, thank you so much for watching. And this has been another small pre-episode of Talking with Source.

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Thank you all.

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Beautiful. Thank you. Bye, everyone.