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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here, host and founder of Talking with the Source.
We are back with another episode and I'm here with my good friend HoHoHoS Robin from Hopper Paranormal.
Oh my freaking gosh. Oh my, these are the friends that I have people. Do you see this moron?
Only you. And you want, I just want to let everyone know who's watching right now.
He wanted me to wait for him with the camera off just so he could do that HoHoHo with the hat on.
Only him, only him. And he talks about me on this podcast. Hey Sarah, how are you? Sorry for stealing the hubby.
Paracrew podcast, what's going on everybody? And even they mentioned, look at the hat, laugh my ass off, love you brother.
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Before you do, hi, I'm Jason and this is my mom. Oh my God.
Brother Matt's in the audience. Well, listen, listen, listen. We got a great guest today. I want to bring him on. We've been holding him in the back for too long.
His name is Nando Desario. He's a portal to the paranormal. I want to bring him on right now. He's a brother, a great friend. Amazing people. What is up Nando?
Hey everyone, how's it going? How you been brother? I'm really well. How are you guys been? I'm losing the hat. I'm Jason and this is my mom.
I'm sorry to throw that out there. One thing I want to do. I'm sorry about this everybody by the way. Yeah. You know what? If I have to put up with you with a Santa hat and you can't put up with me for two seconds with a hi, I'm Jason, I'm a mom meme, then you know what? I don't like you anymore.
You know what? I used to have really high hopes for the UK people, but now you have totally brought down that hope. You can't live without me. You need me. You're right. You're right. All right. I'll give it to you.
Anyway, what I want to do is I want to actually bring something up real quick. This is something that me and you were talking about in the back on Nando. And I think this was something that I saw today that was a really important way just to remind people during this Christmas holiday.
It says, oh no, sorry, not that one. There was another one. There's another one that basically stated that everyone's on their own journey. You don't know what somebody's going through. So, you know, just be nice. You know what I mean?
Basically, that's in a nutshell, you know, and I just thought that was very important in this Christmas holiday, man, you know, to bring up and just remind everyone, you know, we're all going through some stuff. We all had some crappy couple of years with COVID and just everything with family.
And I know a lot of us have lost a lot of people. So, you know, you never know what someone's going through. So just, you know, give them the time of day and, you know, apologies as well to everybody that we haven't been on for a few weeks.
Yes, absolutely. Apologies for that. But we are back with Nando right now. I'm super happy we were able to reschedule. So, Nando, tell the viewers a little bit about yourself.
So, well, to be honest, I've been with Portal to the Paranormal since 2020. Daniel Winter started up the group. I initially was there to do like event planning, like get events booked on, look for locations to go and film, investigate.
But to be honest, I wanted to get more into it because my wife, Sarah's been in the Paranormal for, oh, Jesus, over nearly 10 years now, I would say, maybe just a bit under. And at first, and I think I've said this to you before, AJ, I used to call them the Ghostbusters going playing with their Ghostbuster friends.
Yeah.
But the thing is, you know, as we grow up in life, things happen, don't they? I think a lot of people that are in this field is because a high majority, I would say, have had some experiences that they can't explain.
And I've had that as well. You know, I'm not no medium or anything like that, but certain things make you think and then as you grow up in life, you sort of forget about those things.
And then I think where it was reintroduced to me with Portal to the Paranormal, I thought, you know what, I want to do more into it and see what we can document, what we can get as evidence, and see how much is real and how much is fake, if you get what I'm saying.
So that's what got me into being part of Portal to the Paranormal.
I think a lot of us are nearly sort of pushed into it really, aren't we, because not by anybody in particular, but by, like you said Nando, events that happen.
You know, something will happen and, you know, we'll have an experience, excuse me, or something will happen that you think, right, I need to look at this, I need to look at this more because, you know, this has happened.
And before you know it, you're caught up in it and you can't sort of get out, can you?
It is certain things. I'll give you an example. When I was much younger, I think I must have been about nine years old, I had a fear of sleeping in the dark, like a real terrible fear of it.
And now you're a Paranormal Investigator.
Yeah, I know, tell me about it. But you know what, there was one night I was laying on the bed and my grandmother had died quite early on in her late 50s.
And I woke up and she was literally sat next to me, like literally, but she wasn't the older grandmother that I remember. It was the picture that's on her headstone in the graveyard.
She was quite young, beautiful and she had this glow about her. And I think it's things like that, you know, you know, things have happened. But as you grow up, I don't know if it's, not people tell you not to believe it, but you sort of grow up and you do your own thing.
And, you know, and there's been a few occasions where specific family members for me, I've always had, I would say visits from family members, my grandfather, my doctor.
And I think just being part of Portal to the Paranormal has made, has allowed me to, you know, sort of understand the paranormal field a lot more than what I did before.
Because like I said, before Sarah got into it, I just didn't, not that I didn't believe it, maybe it was partly you're scared of it. I do think people are scared of the unknown, so they turn their head to it and say it's fake.
It's a load of cobs wallop and all that.
But yeah, but things have happened and I've got given an opportunity, I've taken it and I've loved it ever since.
I think we're all scared of the unknown.
Yeah, you know, I tell you what, you're right. I think a lot of people, especially for me, I mean, because I was the same way as you, man, I didn't believe it all like until I had my experience, my near death stuff, and my own experiences, I didn't believe it all.
I was totally against it. I mean, I had a fear of demons because I was a Christian, you know, and stuff like that. And I believed in an afterlife. But when it came to paranormal and stuff like that, I totally lost all hope after I lost my grandfather when I was 12.
And I just never, never crossed my mind until I started having these things happen. And, you know, I was actually terrified. And you're right. I think a lot of people are scared.
That's why they choose not to, you know, they should do that. Am I cutting in and out?
I forgot to shut my notifications off. So I've been seeing a couple pop up and I see Nando smile. So I'm thinking to myself like, well, I must be cutting in and out as I'm talking.
No, no, I'm just taking it in. I'm just saying.
I think you're right, though.
Hey, hold on. I want to say what's up to Anthony real quick. This is going to be our next guest on here. Wraith Will Podcast. Check him out. Wraith Hunters, you guys are awesome. So just keep up the good work, guys.
Go ahead, Robin. Sorry to cut you off. I'm just saying, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, we all have these events that happen.
I never, you know, I watched the programs and TV and stuff like that, most haunted and things like that.
But, you know, as much as I was intrigued by it, I never ever seen myself doing it.
And, you know, I mean, it was just something that to me was out there for certain people to do. And obviously I wasn't one of them.
You know, I mean, and then it's like something, like I say, something happens.
And, you know, my experience that time I was telling you about seeing that little girl.
And for some reason I felt I need to sit in that room in the dark and I was basically taken away.
And the stuff that she told me for it to be absolutely spot on when they look back in records, it's like, you know, I remember my mother in law saying to me, you've got to do this.
And I was like, I do. I really have because I can't ignore that, you know, I've picked up on an exact year.
I've picked up on three names, which was a little girl's first name, middle name and surname.
You know, I mean, I can't to me, I couldn't just like think, right. That's something that's happened and walk away.
You know, things like this happen like with you, AJ, and even Nando, these things sort of happen.
You know, when you sort of for want of a better word, when you when you dial in a little bit, it's like you get that sort of bug, don't you?
It's like you're like, I can't I can't not do this. Yeah.
There is some sorry, go ahead, Nando. I'm on my apology.
No, no, I was actually I was that there was something I wanted to actually ask you about about the thing you told us experience by your grandmother. But I want to hear what you're going to say to what Robin said first.
I was just agreeing with with Robin what he's saying.
Like you sort of delve into it. Not when I joined PTP.
It was more of a, you know, something in the background for me to something to do when I'm at home, you know, when I haven't got a lot to do.
I think we went on an investigation and it was really exciting. You know, there's stuff that I'm sure we'll go into it, you know, different experiments, different equipment, and you sort of learn about and then you start developing your own sort of techniques and what you believe in, what you don't particularly don't believe, but you don't think it's for you.
You know, I mean, you got to find those suit you to be a good paranormal investigator. So yeah, but once I got into it, it was just like, what we do in next? Who's the next person we're going to because Sarah come up with the idea during the podcast, you know, and it just went on from there.
And the more people you get to speak to, the more you're learning. And I think the paranormal field, there's no right or wrong answer is all opinion based and we all need to respect. Firstly, I must say, you know, it can be quite bitchy.
And I apologize if people don't agree with this. But in my opinion, it could be quite bitchy. But what people need to remember, we all have different backgrounds, different beliefs, and we just need to respect it for what it is. No one means any disrespect.
It's just how people have developed their own ways in the paranormal field.
But yeah, once I got into it, it's, I love doing it now.
I love doing more than a normal job, you know, it's right.
It's a well, when you first start off, like, like me, after that, that event with me, it was like, well, let's go and have a look at a couple of buildings and stuff. But then, you know, I wasn't even recording, I was just walking around them, like abandoned
buildings and stuff. And then it was like, I might record one or two and then it goes on from that. And then, you know, my daughter, she does urban explorer and she was like, well, why don't you start a YouTube? And I'm like, no, I'm not gonna.
And she's like, no, no. So she pushed me towards that. And then, you know, I never had, I never had the inkling I was ever going to do a podcast until I met AJ.
And it was like, you know, then it was like being pushed towards it. Let's do a podcast. And, you know, before you know it, you know, you're talking to people from all around the world.
You know, you make these totally amazing friends from all corners of the world. You know, I mean, AJ, he's like a brother to me and I've never even met him in person, only over the phone.
But then you then you've spent before you know it, you've spent hundreds of pounds on all this equipment. You know, you've got this YouTube channel where you've got so many videos on it.
You've got all these people who watch all these videos. You know, you've got people sending you different locations and asking you to come and do their houses and stuff.
And before you know it, it's like you try you're trying to get a minute for yourself and you look back and think this this only ever started as as a little sideline, you know, and it's like before you know it, it's like, boom, it's your whole life.
You're right. And it's even things like when you're saying about the podcast as well. Sarah initially started the Thriller podcast.
She they were doing something during the lockdown period, we were trying to connect with people because that was really hard. A lot of people being stuck indoors, not being able to see family.
So we did like a games night, several great ways. And then by chance, she managed to get I'm not sure if his background, I think he might have been like some kind of demonologist or something along those lines.
And it's just Bill, but now it's built to the stage where we're connecting together where AJ messages me, would you be a co host, for example, so it's not just the fact that we're doing our own thing.
We're actually adapting to other people and we're working with other people. We had the pleasure of having Brian Lavery come down to the UK.
You know, so it just shows how powerful people might laugh about us doing the paranormal field. But in some aspects, we're a lot stronger than what other fields are. We connect in ways that other fields are not connected.
No, you know, you're right.
You know, I totally agree with what you're saying. I totally agree with what you're saying because you're right. There's a great connection aspect in the paranormal field when you find the right people.
You just have to weed the weeds out to find the roses in the bunch. You get what I'm saying? It's like because there's a lot of a lot of drama in this field. And I don't know why, dude, I have no idea why it's like everybody brings their luggage and drops it off in this field.
And that's not what this field is about. But it just seems like it's becoming more and more, especially with social media, you know.
But the thing is, is that we have a great group of people that we talked to and we're all about the research. And that's really what it's for me.
Like from the minute I started my YouTube, it wasn't like I'm starting YouTube and be the next Mr. Beast or I'm going to be the next Logan Paul. That was never my thing or next Steve Hoff or whatever.
That was never my goal. My thing was it was a place to put my videos because I didn't have money to buy a storage for my computer at the time.
I had a crappy computer. And I tell you what, it's like now I'm glad that I can show people this amazing clips of responses and communication and anything that I do in this field.
And it's just a great way to get it out there, you know. But it comes with its drawbacks.
I mean, then you get people that, you know, try to bash you online. You got to deal with that or your fake stuff. I don't let any of that bother me.
Some people let it bother you. But I, you know, I just gave him here for the research, you know, I'm here to find out what happened to me when I died and what I saw and experienced and to find out more answers.
But not to kind of switch gears. What I wanted to ask you about your grandmother who showed up for your experience or visitation.
He said that she was she looked not like the older woman that you remember. She looked like a younger. So I mean that with respect when I say you didn't know. Yes. Yes.
You're looking down on me. What are you saying?
You're telling yourself right now.
Yes.
You know, but yes.
So sorry, AJ. I didn't mean to interrupt. I just thought I'd be loving myself before I upset her.
He's got himself in trouble.
Right, right, right. Hey, if something goes flying across your room later, she's there.
I know. I know about it.
Right. Hey, no. But what I what I wanted to say about it, though, was it's funny that you said that in that detail about how she looked. And the reason why I say that is because when I had a meeting reading after my dad passed and I hooked up with a meeting that I now work closely with, I didn't trust any mediums before.
Like I literally didn't believe in any of it. I thought it was all just hoax like gas. I'm going to tap into this energy before I really knew energy and stuff about it. Like on a scientific term, I just didn't believe anything of it. And a lot of them, people that I've seen are hoaxes and just trying to steal people's money.
Well, this lady, it wasn't that she never was asked for money and does all free readings and stuff, which is cool. And it's just about helping people.
And when she connected with my aunt, she I mean, my my when she did a reading for my aunt, my dad came through in his 20s or 30s when he had a mustache, long hair.
But then when I had my reading, she was like, oh, wow. She goes, wow, your dad looks so different. He looks like Mr. Clean. And the picture that I've shared since that time is me and him, where we both have bald heads.
And that's how he looked is, you know, before he passed. And it's funny because I actually asked spirit about this in a communication session that I did. And they said the reason why that they do this on the why they show themselves at that, like they'll show themselves like that is because when we cross over, when we pass on or whatever, we can choose to show ourselves or whatever you want to call it in the time where we were the happiest.
So like if say my 30s was my happiest, I died at 80. I'm not going to show myself at 80. I want to I'm going to be in my happiest form, my happiest if they've you know, it's I guess according to spirit, if they crossed over, like I said, all theory, I don't know if any of the stuff I came through the box that I just told you was true.
But from things that I've lined up with synchronicities, that's kind of funny that you you said that detail.
I do believe in I do agree with you, you know, because growing up with my grandmother, she she was older, you know, she looked the age she should have been to come back.
Yeah, I keep looking up and I'm like, I mean, with respect, she presented herself to me in a way of that's how she wanted to me to remember her by, you know, she was a very pretty, you know, lady, you know, and I think that's the way I'm climbing out of my hold up thing.
But the past year a shovel. But then another experience was this is when I had kids, you know, me, Sarah and the three boys now one night I was sat up watching TV and no nothing particularly was going wrong.
It was just nice chilled environment in the house. Sarah was in bed, kids were in bed and the door slightly open.
I thought this is a breeze coming through. And I know I wasn't awake and I'll tell you why in a moment. But then my grandfather walked in to the room, like full apparition.
I could see his eyes, his face. And, you know, he was a cool Italian guy, you know, you know, like with the caps. You know, he coming chains and pinky ring.
Yeah, yeah, he had his he had his ring on. And he literally didn't say anything to me, but he had literally sat on the sofa next to me.
And, you know, and then I looked at him and I wasn't scared, but I was like, Wow, do you know, like, because I know who he was. So I wasn't scared of him.
But it didn't stop me running up the stairs and jumping on top of Sarah to know what happened. You know, I literally ran. That's how I knew I was awake.
But then for days after that, I could smell his tobacco because he smoked old open tobacco. And I don't know if you guys ever you might know of this, Robin, the licorice tobacco paper and the distinctive smell, you know,
Oh, Holborn had a smell and up anyway. You know, and I could smell that wherever I would go in the house. It was like he was still that like he had left that scent of him in the house. But it was just clear as day that he was there.
And like I said, I've not seen loads of stuff, but I've seen my family members have come to me. And that was like, you know, it was so clear. It was unreal. Like, and this is where this was later on in life. And, you know, it was amazing.
I think at that time, he was just letting me know that he's still around, you know, there was no direct message. But when you talk to people that are not involved in the paranormal and they don't believe, they look at you like you've gone crazy.
But yeah, you know, yeah.
Do you know what you've seen? Yeah, that was just a new experience I've had.
No, that's awesome. You know, it's funny that you said people look at you crazy because you're right. I mean, I tell you what I look at myself crazy sometimes, especially when I'm explaining an experience that I had.
So like a recent experience I was explaining to one of my friends. Now I bother him with all my paranormal stuff and he just won't even go near because he's terrified.
But I was telling the experience and I was like after I got done saying what happened that was like and I said all the synchronicities to make it understandable and everything why I think this was this.
And I after I got done, I said to myself, wow, that sounds freaking stupid. That sounds insane.
You know, I mean, but I totally agree with what you went through and I totally understand that it's real what you went through because after I had my experience where I saw that full bodied apparition twice in one time with my entire family solidly.
That changed everything for me. That was my go. That was my change to go into this field, even though I had my dear enough experience before it. That was my, my thing. And when you see some like that, especially like for you seeing your uncle, that's an awesome experience to see a loved one.
Yeah, like, I mean scary scary. Don't get me wrong.
I think like you're saying it sort of put me on the fence there where you know what there there's more to this. You know, I do believe after you pass on there's more to life. We just, we I know people make claims about what happens to us when we pass on, but we don't really know.
We don't know until we get there, we need to experience that for ourselves. But, you know, it does show those sort of experience does show that there is more to life after we are done on this earth.
And hopefully, you know, if I could just do a little bit of what my grandparents have done just making sure my kids always know that I'm around them, you know, that that'd be a lovely feeling because at the same time is a lovely feeling to know that I was very close to my grandfather, you know, and, you know, to have him come and say, you know, the cool guy that he was.
That's how he presented himself to me, you know, and it's like I was saying, my grandmother come in the way that I never remembered her by, but then my grandfather come in the cool guy that he was with his hat, you know, with his suit and his that smell that tobacco and his
paper, you know, and you can you can't say it's not real because you've seen it for yourself but no I did I know what you mean it sounds totally crazy though I totally get it. There is one question I do want to ask you about the smell and stuff about you smell the tobacco but first I just want to say one thing.
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My question was do you have a lot of experiences now as an investigator where you have smells and stuff that you can pick up on.
If I'm slightly honest, I do rely more and I depend on more of using technology based stuff like the course. Of course, yeah, I would never sit here and claim that I see things, you know, all the time.
Because I would, I'll be lying, but there is subtle things that I've seen, like, but you got to remember when you're going into an investigation, and when you're going into a location, you're going in the dark, your brain is sort of, you know, your
senses are heightened, but sometimes they tricks on you so you think you see some like a shadow figure walking past you. Yeah, you're like there's someone following, but that can be very easy explained or you hear a sound.
And you've got to bear in mind, like if a card if you're outside doing an investigation, for example, and you're in a bit of a like a field area.
And then a car door slams, it's, you know, Sam shop. Now from that sound the sound travels as it travels the sound changes. So by the time you get to hear that sound, you know, it might sound like something's walking in the bushes behind you.
It might sound like something's touching so you got to remember you got to be open to those scenarios people can sometimes be a bit too quick and go, that's paranormal. Well, no, it isn't. And I don't mean that, you know, I'm not trying, this is of my opinion, you know,
to be able to see the levels sound changes, same with lighting, you could see something come through a window for example, go out and investigate, and nothing's there. But how do you know that split second before someone's not there with a torch shining through.
You've got to be careful what you're putting down to paranormal and you've got to be very, you know, before you claim it on social media and I think this is where some people go wrong, you know is that they put everything down to paranormal, the slightest sound
movement. And, you know, and sometimes you watch the videos that you can see, you know, that the buildings that they're in a lot of these older buildings that they're not well insulated so there's going to be a draft through, you know, but getting back to your
question I diverse a little bit, you know, since doing the paranormal investigations. Yes, I believe I've seen certain things. I've witnessed, you know, slight movement but again, I don't let that cloud my judgment to, you know, you've
always got to be careful about what you're saying is paranormal, and you need to really make sure you've got all the facts and the location, what it's like weather conditions and everything.
You know, actually, absolutely. But the one actually the thing I wasn't about seeing what I asked you is actually was smelling. Have you had more instances of that smell like because you said, have you had other experiences while you were investigating
you've ever had that sense go off on your you know without just noticing something randomly not saying it's paranormal but something that you couldn't explain at the moment that was like oh wow you know that was a weird scent.
Yeah. So we were investigating a building in Portsmouth in Hampshire is called with her manner.
It's a really really old weird building, but we were up in the attic area.
And we were sat there and everything was cool and I sat there on my own for about 10 minutes.
And this weird smell and I can't say it's like, if I was to put do you know like the smell of rotten meat, like when you've left it out too long. It's a really like, yeah nasty yeah nasty smell to it.
Anyway, so I smelt that and it was like quite strong but it was in front of me like, if I can smell it in front of me. And it was just so weird that that smell was coming through, because then later on when we when I was talking to
that specific room.
That room was known to do illegal abortions in that room.
Oh no way. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, could that I'm taking it down. It could be in the smell of raw, like rotten meat.
But could that smell of, you know,
again, the reason why it was funny. It's funny you brought this experience up the reason why I brought that up this question was because when you said you had that smell that's something that's a, that's a sign that I've never gotten from a family
member, or from any paranormal experience I've ever had. I've never really dealt with smells, there's only been one occasion and I can really say maybe I had an experience but the reason why I asked you that question was, is that just like clairvoyant, being
clairvoyant or claircognizant, I mean clairaudience, clair all that stuff.
There's a clair for smells I believe and I don't know if it's cognizant I don't know what it what claircognizant or whatever it is I'm not too sure the exact one at this moment.
But I'm just one for that and I believe that we all have these inner senses, along with our outer senses that we do know of like to this day, and I just believe that those inner senses will go off like how you know you had that experience and you would have never
experienced that rotting flesh smell, maybe or who knows it could have been nothing but it's weird that it kind of synchronizes with the whole portion thing could it be that we don't know but it's funny that that could be one of your gifts to be honest, like, you know,
Yeah, do you know what, like I said, I don't claim to be gifted in any way, you know, I've got about now yeah, the thing for me, I've gone into this not knowing how in depth the paranormal is, you know, of course, you see it on TV, let's be honest a lot of the stuff, you know,
when you watch on TV, again, you got to be very careful because, fortunately, TV shows are there to get viewing so you know, and again, this is of my opinion, not saying it is but my opinion, they need to stage stuff to get viewing so they can continue doing,
you know, but yeah, like I said, my experience of very minimal, you know, I've not had those well, I'm still waiting for that well moment where, you know, when I'm out in a location and see something relating to that location that would be amazing, you know,
Dude, you saw your uncle sit next to you. What else do you need Nando?
Personal though that's personal. You know that I get that's amazing. But I want to see as we're investigating those moments, you know, when you see on TV, like the chair suddenly pulls out or going on and I would love to capture that sort of, you know, that sort of evidence and being able to share that with people.
Well, here's a question for you. Right, let's twist it slightly right is that I've seen apparitions before of people, right, but it's always been family members of Julie's, I have never ever seen or had contact with anybody from my family.
Now, if you're listening up there, come and see me. You know what I mean? I find it strange, you know, I have two grandfathers that have gone of two grandmothers that have gone of a cousin that's gone of an uncle that's gone, you know, I mean, I don't have a big family, don't get me wrong.
I don't have a big family at all. My family's tiny. But, you know, it's always people and I've seen what one, two, three, three clear apparitions in my lifetime, and it's only been of Julie's family members.
And it's never been any of mine and, you know, I sometimes think to myself, well, you know, I, I can see things I can hear things I can communicate sometimes, you know, and why am I only seeing and communicating with people from Julie's side of the family, even though I got on really well with them, you know what I mean?
Well, you know what it is, man, I, you know, it's funny, a medium told me one time that the reason that could be is because you might like, you might be blocking yourself not fully open when it comes to your family.
And that could be the reason why your quote unquote gifts, as we call it, are working in that moment because it's a little more personal when it comes to your family.
But someone else guards or your guards completely down, you know, trust me, I'm blocking myself night. Anybody up there. Come on. No, there's always there's always an inner thing that we don't understand.
I think that's that can block the connection. I truly don't think we completely fully understand. Obviously, what we don't understand how to do this communication.
But tell me what's one of the most amazing experiences you've had, Nando.
On an investigation on investigation. So one of I think one of it is this was earlier this year, we went to a place called Mana Farm and we try and document everything we do everything raw.
We don't edit anything. So we go live and we literally will set a camera in front of what we're doing so people can see we were in this old church.
It was me and a guy called Luke that's on the team. And we had a couple, a very simple capital where if it gets touched it flashes.
Anyway, we had it on the table. And literally we were asking questions because we had the spirit box on.
And we asked that Are you here? And then you hear a voice saying I'm here. But as that happens, you see the capital just move across the camera.
But bearing in mind, so when I'm talking about this altar, there's a big rope. You can actually go next to the altar to move it and you can see me and Luke are in front of the camera.
And all you see, Leslie, because he's quite new again. And all you see is Luke's face sort of go, whoa. And then when we look back at the footage, you literally see the capital from here and then it just like gently moves across on its own.
That was quite cool. That was you're over here. I want to see a chair move. I need this and that you got a ball to move. I mean, you're getting shit to move. Listen, we're paranormal investigators.
We know I don't know. We always want more. But we're human, damn it.
That was quite a cool moment. And the other one for me would be when we were with Brian, Brian Loverty, Hunterphobia Canada, and Let's Paranormal. So we took Brian to Royal Victoria Country Park.
It was where I don't know if you guys know Florence Nightingale? Yeah, it was the nurse at one when it used to be a hospital. Oh, it goes back and this hospital was absolutely huge.
And I think it got burnt down. But there's a section of it still there that they turned into a bit of like a cafe in the museum. But we're outside. And Brian was going around introducing everyone.
So hi, my name's Brian. This is Sarah. This is Lex. This is Nando. And then out of nowhere it goes hi Nando. Now I know people might say the the spirit box is a radio station.
It goes through a sweepstake, which I agree. But how often would you hear the name Nando come through on the radio? My name is not a usual name.
So when that come through, I was just like, oh, wow, that that was quite funny. But then since then, since then, and again, I've got this on footage as well that I can share with you guys after.
Every time that we seem to use a spirit box, there's been a few other occasions my name keeps coming through. You know, we did.
Burzard and Brickworks is an old, an old museum, it's a museum now, but it's where they used to do the bricks and build bricks and everything.
And we were sat down. And again, we were introducing ourselves. We were sat in a circle. I think it was just me, Dan and Luke again. And we started talking amongst ourselves and my name just come through out of nowhere.
And it's just like, but then I do think sometimes could this be where they're saying my name, could it be a family member? Like, like I said, I've experienced, especially with my grandfather, you know, seeing him.
Could this be him? Like sort of protecting me in a way? Because, you know, some people see it. What we do is wrong and blah, blah, blah, which I don't agree with as long as you're respectful.
To say my name specifically, you know, it makes me think could that be him? Like sort of watching what I'm doing and letting me know that he's around. But again, that's an opinion. There's no hard evidence to say for sure.
Could this be my brain tricking me to make me think it is my name? But when two other people hear it as well, it's hard to sort of debunk that. Do you know what I mean? Because I'm always open to debunk it.
I agree. I totally agree, man. And that's why we always record obviously those type of sessions so that we can get, you know, we can hear all the responses we do miss.
One of our viewers, Pamela, she said the same spirits might actually be following you around Nando. Have you ever thought of that?
Yeah, that, that I'm and I agree. Could it be? Yeah, I've got such a strong connection with my grandfather that he's with me.
Yeah, you know, but I think as we go through this journey and as we do more investigations, I'm sure we'll start picking up stuff and, you know, see what happens.
I have the same whenever we're right, because it doesn't matter how many people are right with me.
Anytime we're doing a spirit box and I normally a question I ask is, can you say one of our names? It's here now. And every single time my mother-in-law Christine, she goes by Chris and it says Chris.
It never says Robin. It never says anything else. You know, people, all the people that are there.
But I'm just going back to what you were saying, Robin, you were saying about why do you think you're connecting with your partner's family instead of your own?
Not saying that your partner has had any kind of bad times. We've all suffered in one way or the other. We've gone through bad experiences.
But do you think your family don't come to you because they see that you're OK? I believe that this is an opinion. I'm not saying I'm right, but they can see that you're content.
You're happy. And I think maybe my background where I've had a few challenges over the years, shall we say.
And some of those challenges have made me weak in myself where lack of confidence may be, you know, maybe that's why they're still around to reassure me that I don't.
I don't want to sound. I like that. You can say it as it is. I'm not going to take any offense.
I don't want to sound disrespectful towards you. And I get what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree with that because the only reason being that, yeah, in myself and the health, I might be all right.
But, you know, everything that we've been going through, you know, like obviously with Julie's illness and stuff like this and, you know, a couple of her family members and stuff dying.
And I've been I've been the person that's that's tried and had to hold it all together, you know, when when when everybody else was sort of, you know, feeling down and that there's times.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Stop. You're right there. Did you ever think to yourself the reason why you might be seeing her family members is because you are the one that has won the gift to be able to to you are the one that holds it together.
So they know that she needs that reassurance right now the most because she has that disease.
So what if they're doing that for you so that you can let her know to brighten her up and maybe yours are with you. There's not communicating right now because of your connected with them for a reason.
You know, I'm not going to interrupt you, but I just want to throw it out there. No, no, I agree. It's quite possible.
And I'm not absolutely fine. I haven't got a problem with communicating with anyone from her side of the family.
But just when you're going through these times and you know, you're you're sort of struggling to hold things together and you know, there's times, think yourself.
I could just I could just do with the with the as well as going to spend silly, but a five minute chat or, you know, or even just to see like my uncle, I was quite close to my uncle when he, you know, and then he obviously died.
And it's like I could I could just really do with, you know, a bit of a bit of a boost in that way.
You know, like, yeah, but it's like it's like I'm not I'm not knocking her family and I've heard from her listening.
Come and see me as well. I don't mind. By the end of the show, we were going to be there during the prep.
We're going to be all hectic because of you guys. You know, you get where I'm not trying to give a sob story or anything like that.
You know, I mean, I'm not I'm just trying to sort of say that there, you know, there has been times when when on not selfishly, but me personally, me could have done with a with a little, you know, even a little appear.
Hello, I'm here and go. Let me be honest with you right now and excuse my language, everybody, but fuck that shit.
You be selfish because sometimes you need it. Sometimes you need that that reassurance. You need that help because there's times where I'll be outside.
I'll be looking up at the sky and I'm like, Dad, I need your help, man.
I fucking need to talk to you right now or Graham, where I miss you.
Like, I need to talk to you and you know what's crazy? Every time I'm crying my eyes out, I'm literally looking up the sky and I'm doing that literally right after whether it's an Uber.
I pick up whether it's some just anything. I'll meet somebody that will come into my life out of nowhere and it'll have something to do with my father somehow.
It'll be connected and I to so be selfish, man.
I mean, I get it because I get so mad, too, because my family, every time I do all these communication sessions, I was doing communication sessions for people from around the world.
I was able to do it through Streamyard.
I was able to do video calls and we run the boxes and I would do it live and then I would go back and, you know, review it and then send them that as well.
And I tell you what, we would get some we would get their family members coming through every time that they would be able to verify on their own, which I wouldn't know any of the answers that they were getting, how to relate to any of it.
And they would be getting they'd be like, oh, my God, that was this person.
That was this person.
And I would get so mad because I'm like, I can help anybody around the world with this with my connection, but I can't help myself.
Why is that?
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I agree with Nando with what he was saying to an extent.
But then in my own head, there's a there's a like an all extent above that, that that I'm sort of I'm sort of looking for.
And maybe I should be going like that and said, I'm going like that.
You know, I mean, I'm what.
But it's just like, you know, why?
Why is nobody from my side coming to me?
You know, I mean, and it's sort of, you know, I want verification like anybody else does.
You know, if you father or, you know, if any of her family who have gone want to come and sit here with me and talk and stuff and I can film it and stuff.
I don't mind.
You know, I mean, I really don't.
But it's like when you when you look at it and think, you know, I've never even had it like like a smell from any of us, you know, or a voice or zero from my side.
Yeah.
And, you know, I get that you may have had experiences with your family.
And another thing that I think like sometimes subtle things can happen that you can't explain.
And that could be an indication that is your family.
And what you're saying is right.
What I'm saying is what I believe what you're saying is what you believe.
And I think that's what we why we gel as a, you know, when we can talk.
Because I don't disagree with what you're saying, Robin.
I agree.
You know, and what I say is, is another an opinion.
None of us are right or wrong.
And I think, you know, you're looking for that clarification, you know, and it just shows you've had your moments where you need to be able to connect for yourself.
And you're wrong about being selfish, as I was saying to AJ in the back before we started.
Sometimes you need to be selfish.
Sometimes you need to do you first, especially it sounds like you've gone through a lot.
You know, you get into that cycle where everyone's put first, which as a father, as a husband, I get that I would do that with my family.
But sometimes you do need to take that step back and go, well, what about me?
We sort of lose ourselves in everything else.
Have you ever tried maybe again, this is an opinion or maybe a suggestion.
Have you ever tried communicating directly with your family through, you know, sitting there on your own, maybe put the spirit box on and see if that because it could it be the case that they're waiting for you to go to them before they just go.
I like it could be but AJ and me have tried it.
And the thing is, I know that's obviously no, no, but this is what I'm going to say.
Right. I know that's obviously yourself that they wouldn't know.
But, you know, we have done spirit boxes and, you know, we've asked for family friends, but not sort of mine, but like my sister's friend, for instance.
And she she came through and it's like whenever we asked for my uncle, nothing.
You know, I mean, we asked we asked for other people that's not necessarily connected relation wise to me.
Yeah. And you will come through and say, you know, and then I'll say to AJ, well, I will ask for such and such and he'll ask for that.
Not yeah, he won't get an answer.
And dude, I'm going to be honest, I really truly think just like how John with the shadow with shadow said, give the people not being able to communicate, you know, with their own relation with the whole family is more common than you think.
And it's funny that he says that because I totally agree with what he's saying.
I think when we're connecting with your sister's friends say we both don't have relation to that friend.
I mean, yeah, you know, or you might be friends or whatever, but there's not that connection with her like your sister has.
So we're taking that connection of ours away from the situation.
And I really do think that that's a big part in communication because it's so hard for me to connect.
I mean, the only one that comes through at all with my family and I haven't had anybody come through except for subtle signs like Nando talked about pennies, feathers, certain things that I know it's them.
The only person is my father and he'll come through and say his name every single time I turn the box.
He'll let me know he's there.
And it's an amazing feeling to have to be able to do that and talk to him.
And another person just said, actually, Raymond, he just said, Yeah, I struggle with communicating with so many people in my family.
It's not a lack of love for them.
There's a barrier routine.
What's being said and understood to the point that we don't talk.
And I wonder if that can also cause connection problems to you know what I mean with having problems with family.
Is it or is it I've often sorry, Nando, I've often thought of this one. Is it a case of what we've spoke about one time before?
Is it a case of the other side not being allowed to tell you events that could happen that will happen or talk about events that have happened?
So the only other thing that I can think of is that the family members are not allowed to come through because they're afraid of what they will tell you.
If something if something bad is going to happen to you and three months, for instance, they're maybe afraid of, you know, of of of changing the timeline.
I tell you what, there could be a bunch of different things.
I mean, Nando, you want to say we're going to say I'm going to switch this over to something else.
But what I was going to say is and again, don't take this the wrong way when I say this, Robin.
OK, go ahead. Listen, you never have to say that with our brother.
But when you're talking about you always start to be respectful.
You know, we're talking about someone's family and you know, you never want to.
But, you know, sometimes when you look into spirits, you know, people say spirits have different stages.
Like sometimes there you got one spirit and you get another spirit.
Now, it could be something when they're on this living planet that, you know, we get characters that are quite strong, like really loud, strong characters.
And sometimes you get casted in the back, don't you?
Where this character is so big, you don't have a voice.
Could it be a case of your your wife's family that are quite big characters and they've got quite strong energy that are able to communicate with you?
We're not saying that they are.
But again, it could be someone where your family and what their energy is not strong enough, it's not able to prove.
So they're being blocked just because of your connection with your partner.
And yeah, it could possibly be, you know, because they do say that spirits have different sources of energy.
And it takes a lot for them to be able to build up themselves.
You know, like I've said, and just because with my experiences, I've never actually asked it to happen, if that makes sense.
I'm grateful for it, but I've never gone out and and sometimes it's come at the moments where I've needed it the most.
And that's why I'm on the opinion that, you know, could it be they know that I'm struggling.
So they've just come in and sort of just if they could, they put their arm around their shoulder if they were still here.
Yeah, they're trying to do for me.
But again, we all have opinions and no one's right or wrong.
We're just trying to make we're just trying to make sense of it.
And we're in a situation and all our situations are different and we all come in at different angles.
And every one of us have a right to have that opinion.
And no one is wrong.
You're not wrong.
I'm not wrong. Not even AJ.
You know, it's just we need to accept and be able to, you know, put our opinions across without anyone taking offense.
And I think that's why everyone is very sketchy at times to have an open and honest.
Do you know what I mean?
Because you do get people that that take it the wrong way.
And it's like, no, wait there. Hold up.
I'm not saying I'm right, but this is my opinion.
Robin, you come in and you you agree to a certain extent.
It's all good. But we all have different beliefs.
And I think, you know, it could be a number of reasons, Robin.
But I bet you anything, you've had subtle experiences that you've not caught where your family have been around you.
So I do believe very strongly.
Right. Even if they don't physically come to you or physically let you know that they're there, they are around you.
I do not believe, you know, especially when you're very close, like you're saying about your uncle.
I've always been very close to my grandfather.
And I know for a fact he is with me, I would say 90 percent of my time here.
You know, he is with me one way or the other.
I don't always like I said, I don't always pick up on him.
But I do know he's one person I can always say that he's around me.
No, I don't want to switch the subject.
But I mean, I don't want to like switch the topic quickly.
But I want to I want to get off this topic.
I want to say to you, one, thank you for coming on.
And I want to know some techniques that you use out in the field.
What are some experimental stuff that you do on the field?
Because I know you're into science, man, like me.
And I know, you know, you try different experiments.
So tell me, what are some of your favorite?
What are some of you do?
What are some of your experimental?
So one of the favorites got to be the EVP recordings.
And, you know, I think they're one of the hardest things to debunk.
So if you're picking up a voice that no one else is there, you know, and it's not your own, you know, that's hard to do.
Punk.
Necrophonic.
You know, we've used that.
Now, I'm a bit on the fence with this one.
The reason being is not saying it is the case, but a lot of these apps are designed to throw out words.
And, you know, it could be just at that precise moment.
It gives you the word that you want.
But necrophonic, you know, it doesn't work on signals or anything because you can turn the you can turn the phone on to airplane mode and it works absolutely fine.
You can still get into it without any problem.
Yeah, because there's a bank in the bank actually is phonemes.
It's not words.
So it has no words in the entire device.
There's absolutely no words.
If you actually have a word that's clear as day that comes out, it's actually something manipulating the device.
It's actually phonemes that Keith Walden has actually programmed into it and he mixed them in a way of clips.
So that's why they're gibberish and they sound like weird and shit because they're slowed down, reversed, all messed up.
And I'll tell you what, a lot of people have a false positive when they ask yes or no questions because when you get a yes, there's a lot of things in that app.
That's going on in the background as well.
So on the phone, but EVP, the spirit box, I do like the spirit, the SP seven.
Oh, yeah, because again, even though it goes through a radio suite, there's certain words that it tells you, you know, we did it.
We went to an old mansion in Manchester.
I'm trying to think what the name of it is now.
Antwerp.
Thank you.
Wow.
Robin, you saved me, man.
UK people.
Have you been there, Robin?
I haven't been. I keep meaning to go.
But apparently now it's only it was classed as abandoned at one point.
But now it's you've got a book to go there.
Yeah, because the people that actually live on the other side of the mansion, they live on the opposite.
But we were downstairs in the basement and we had the spirit box on and we were just trying to think of different ways of communicating with the spirit.
Because sometimes they don't want to give you direct information.
So we come up with it's like a game.
Like, can you repeat the word?
I'm going to say a random word.
Can you repeat it?
And at that moment, I thought this ain't going to work, you know, and I'll be, you know, I'll do it.
But anyway, so we'll go around and then I think Dan, he turned around and goes, can you say pineapple?
And then we wait because you got to give a bit and then clear as day, it come out pineapple.
Yeah.
Right.
And that was amazing and we were getting really good responses because we went around a few times and there was no one.
But the seller had a lot of mannequins in like body parts.
And then we were and then he said, can you say what I'm holding?
And it said hand because it was part of the money.
So the equipment again, like I said, with a lot of the stuff that we do, we've got to be careful.
Like, you know, when you're using the EMF meters and everything like that, you got to be so careful when it flickers.
You know, you've got to be careful.
Is there electrical things around that's making that flicker that you've not caught yet?
Even your IR light will make it go.
Yeah.
So, you know, and what we tend to do, we do like a sweep of the building just to get a feel for it, you know, and, you know, trying to, you know, work out the rooms that have hardly anything there and just sort of work there.
Hey, Charles.
How we doing?
My family lives in Flower Mound.
So, welcome, Texas.
Yeah.
And I don't work much.
And I've got that big mural that was up the stairs, haven't I?
Yeah.
It's a weird feel.
Yeah.
It was weird because we slept in there that night.
We spent the whole night there.
And what did you do besides like, well, what did you end up doing?
Because I know you said you said EVPs, you said spirit boxes, but tell me, was there any other like experimental type stuff do you do?
Yeah.
So one thing we do tend to do, and this is something slightly different.
So if you're in a group of people, we get people to stand facing the wall, for example.
And we ask the spirits to go around and touch someone on the shoulder.
And we all know where we're positioned.
So we're not near each other.
And then you sometimes get like spirits that will come up and physically touch you on the shoulder.
We ask for physical contact as well.
You know, we don't solely rely on equipment.
We try and do different things to, you know, do that.
You know, there's some experiments that we've tried that I look at and I think it's not for me.
But a lot of it is based on your senses as well.
I do try and work more now with, you know, teaching myself how to see things, what to know is could be paranormal, what is not using your ears and things like that.
I think the most important piece of equipment is yourself.
Dude, I tell you what, man, the older that I got and the more experience I get in this field, it has become 90 percent my senses and what I'm feeling in the environment, things I'm experiencing.
And 10 percent basically all scientific type equipment, you know what I mean?
But the thing of the matter is, is like, obviously, you always got to make the environment controlled if you're doing an experiment, stuff like that, because you don't want anything to mess up like the EMS and the IR, all that stupid stuff.
The thing is that like I kind of lost where I was going with this.
But the point I was trying to make, I think, was that I love how you guys are doing those type of experiments and stuff like turning your face towards the wall, doing stuff like that, using this equipment.
Because any new type of experiment that we can use, even that wall, like facing the wall and having a spirit touch you, that's using a sense.
You know what I mean? That's using feeling and to have an experience where you're actually asking it and then it happens.
The only problem, it's so hard to document for people to understand it.
Do you know, it is hard to document because I think the field, unfortunately, is reliant on more technology based.
You know, people need to, you know, people need to see it.
And I think the problem is because there are so many fakers.
Am I allowed to say that on the show?
No, you can say fakers out there.
But because you've got so many fakers that claim to, oh, I've been taken over.
Oh, this has happened to me. Suddenly, they're walking and suddenly they clapped, you know, and it's just so frustrating because sometimes you can have that physical connection.
With a spirit where it puts people off telling other people because they're like, oh, I don't want to be branded as one of these fakers because there's so many of them.
But I think everyone in the paranormal field that are doing it the right way can hand on heart say they've had some kind of paranormal experience where they've been touched or, you know, I'll give you one example.
If it's all right, I don't want to know.
Please, we held an event at a place in Portsmouth again called Fort Whitley.
And there was a gentleman and he was walking down the tunnel with me just before we start the investigation.
And he says, Look, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't believe in any of this.
And I was like, mate, do you know what? That's fine.
I'm happy that you've come. You know, I'm happy that you're willing to participate.
You know, he was doing it more for his missus and his missus mother because they're really into it.
Anyway, so we stood in the tunnel and this is where the necrophonic comes into it.
Like I said, certain things have happened where it makes me think this could actually work.
So we stood and we started doing a call out.
Nothing was happening. And I was like, OK, let's put the person that I don't believe in anything into the room.
You know, and I was like, you know, you don't believe in any of this.
Nothing's going to happen. You know, anyway, so he stood in there and I was like, OK, can you tell me the person's name that's gone into the tunnel on his own?
He said his name clear as day. Right. OK. Could it be a coincidence? Maybe.
OK, fine. Let's go on. So we're like, OK, so you know who he is.
Can you tell us something about him? It said his partner's name and his sister's name, one after the other within seconds.
Wow. So we don't have a clue what's going on.
And then suddenly it's like, I'm here with you. And then we're like, OK, it's a sentence.
I'm here with you. And then we said, I'm not going to say the guy's name because he does watch a lot of these podcasts.
And I said, you know, where it's personal, you've got to be mindful. But we looked over and go, do we do you know who this could be?
He goes, yeah, I think it is. But don't I'll go, do you want to give him his name?
No, let's see what happens. Who is this? Is your dad? Is dad?
And then I'll go, well, can you do something else like touch him or put and as I said it, he goes, something's just pulled my hair.
Right. So we broke for, you know, like a bit of a tea break.
He went back up to the hub area where we set up our, you know, refreshments and everything.
And I kid you not, from a guy that said to me about an hour before, I don't believe in it, he was sat in the chair nearly in tears.
His partner and his mother had to cuddle him, you know, and you see the change.
He was not expecting it. And one of the last messages before we did break, he goes, you need to carry on with what you're doing.
And it comes out in a full sentence. And we said to him, do you understand anything that happened?
He goes, I understand every message I just got. But the change in what he went through was, you know, phenomenal.
And you can't be one. That's the reason why I do this work. Not to interrupt you.
But that was the reason why I do this work is because of that experience right there.
Because somebody who probably would have never done anything like this, got dragged along, doesn't believe,
all of a sudden has the most amazing experience with one of their loved ones,
especially somebody that they miss but aren't going to be open to you about it,
and then break down in front of you because they had an experience.
And you know, that's the reason why I express this field so much and why I share videos of communication sessions and stuff.
Because when there's undeniable stuff like that, I can't say that we're communicating with a ghost
that looks like a sheep floating in the middle of the air. You know what I'm saying?
I don't know what we're actually communicating with, but I do know that something is manipulating these devices
and communicating through them, saying personal things to us that it should not be saying,
along with swears that should not be on the loud on the radio.
And that's what I love the most is when I get a swear like a F you or this from like an angry spirit or something at first,
because right there through SB7, it's not going to come on the radio. You're not going to hear F you on the radio.
You know what I mean? So how do you explain that? You know what I'm saying?
So it's unexplainable things like that. And I express it because there could be someone out there that I want them to go out and experience this,
even if it's not even in their wheelhouse, so they don't believe. Just go out and try it,
because you could have the best experience your life like that guy did.
Yeah. And I think just to a lot of people that bash what we do, I've put it down to three reasons.
One, they've got nothing better to do. They're in my opinion trolls. So, you know, go away and find something else to do.
Two, they haven't got the intelligence, the know how to do that, what we do themselves.
You know, so what they do, they try and beat other people down that are working hard and trying to, you know,
show people what we can do in this field. And three, it's jealousy.
You know, one of the biggest thing, the green eyed monster comes out in a lot of people in different ways.
And I think sometimes when it's paranormal investigators on paranormal investigators is because one side of it is not happy
because one person might be doing a little bit better. But I think that's the big reason.
I think if you take a step back, no one's doing better than others.
We're just doing it our own way and we're just putting some pieces together what we're finding.
You know, Robin's done things which I think is great. He's done a series on the celebrity graves.
And I think that's great. You know, we're all doing different things and getting different evidence.
Why do you get a bitch about it? Just because Robin's doing something that I haven't done, does that make any difference?
No, he's done something else.
I've often said, sorry, I've often said and this is a motto I have in this field, is that a lot of these people who we would call fakers,
again, not going to mention names, but they are out there and we know who they are.
And they may have 25,000 subscribers on their channel and I've got 550.
But I'd rather go up slowly by using 100 percent real evidence than go up drastically fast, faking stuff.
You know, and one thing that I say sort of relates to that is these people that got the big YouTube channels
and all these subscribers and everything that we know have staged certain evidence, that's great for them.
You're happy to go through your life deep down knowing that you're a liar.
You're deceiving people. You know, you're deceiving people.
You're making people believe something that's not true and disrespecting the locations and the history.
If you're happy to go through life like that, then good on you.
But I would rather live my life of, you know what, the evidence I present might be minimal,
but at least I can say this is true. This is facts of what I've found.
And I'll go to bed at night knowing that I've given people a true insight of what we do,
because sometimes we go on a live and we sit there and nothing happens at all.
But we don't stop recording. We will continue recording.
And now people watch us, you know, having a laugh.
You know, me and Luke will start talking about something totally different, you know,
because I don't believe that we should just film the good stuff.
You know, it would be great to do it all the time.
But, you know, we need to show people that there are nights that we were sitting in the tunnel for six hours
and absolutely jack shit happens. But it's the truth.
Well, hey, tell me, tell me what you're thinking.
Hold on, hold on. Hey, Nando, what do you think about this?
Pamela, I completely, 100% agree with what you just said in the comments.
She says, yes, the more one investigates, the more likely one is to have a personal experience.
Also, I think one actually becomes more sensitive to the possibility of something happening.
It's like one becomes more attuned to that other dimension, be it goats or whatever.
And what's great about her saying that is I totally I have noticed that myself.
My connection has grown. The more that I go to, you know, certain places or I go to, you know,
so even cemeteries I love going to the real old ones like I become I became more attuned
and then adding meditation into that's helped a lot with my connection.
I mean, do you do anything to further your connection?
You know, I'm always OK.
So the way I go into I don't do this with her, but I always think about loved ones around me.
So I always make sure that the people that mean the most to me, you know, like I said,
my grandfather was is a big person to me because I, you know, growing up, I would go to a shop.
He owned an old antique shop, for example, and I would sort of get myself in the mindset of remembering those moments.
And I think that helps me to remain grounded and, you know, not fear what I might be going into.
You know, so I'm you know, and I do use that before I do an investigation.
As time's gone on, do I feel more connected to places and feel more things?
Yes, I think because you're opening yourself up in a way that you don't realize sometimes.
You know, I've gone in this not knowing how, like I said before, how in depth paranormal is, you know,
and the kind of things. And I think the more experiments that we're doing, not just with equipment,
but using our own bodies, you're opening yourself up naturally to allow things to come to you.
So I do think I've connected more with with spirits or with things to that.
And as I said, could be Karen, not saying it is, but could be.
But that's something for me to evidence and document and then, you know,
continue that journey and put it all together to say, well, this is what's happened from day one.
And this is how it's gone throughout the journey. So I'm on to that.
God, Robin, you want to ask them because I'm going to keep going. If not, go ahead. Honestly, go ahead.
All right. So my other question I wanted to ask was, so how do you document your evidence?
Is it just by video? Do you write stuff down? Because for me, I have notebooks of stuff written down,
like all types of stuff. I mean, I was even journaling sleep, like dreams and stuff for a while
because I was having a lot of like premonitions and stuff that were coming true.
But how do you write down yours? I mean, how do you do yours?
So it's a bit like what you do. So one of the biggest thing is having cameras set up at locations.
So we will have cameras set up at specific locations.
And when we return to ones that we've been to before, you sort of get an understanding of which are the hot spots,
shall we say, for things to happen, like equipment going off, tables being moved.
So you set up cameras. And if something happens specific to a person or something to us, we write it all down.
So at the end of the evening, we put it all together. So because I think we need because sometimes we separate into separate teams.
We do different things and come together at the end of the evening.
We can say, well, Sarah did this in the barn, for example, and got this.
We had exactly the same thing, but we're in there at different times.
So we do write down a lot of the stuff as well.
Audio is a big thing. So we'll put in like EVP recorders out, you know, and then go through the EVP recording.
Because I think other thing people don't realize is how much work is that you've got to go through after the event or after the investigation.
Oh, I know. You know, because sometimes, especially with cameras, things can happen that you've not even seen until you've investigated it.
Do you know what I mean? And you can't even watch the footage once either because you're going to miss it, especially if there's eight hours on that footage.
You're like, dude, you know, I noticed, too, man, but I went to Montana and I had like four cameras with me.
I realized that like being there for like seven hours or nine hours or whatever it was, I had so much damn footage, dude,
the look through I was I am not even done yet. Like, you know what I mean?
Like that's how much footage and I don't think people realize how much goes in, you know, goes into it and stuff like that.
So, you know, it's great to talk about. It's a lot.
And we can be here all night and talk about different things is, you know, again, people need to realize there's a lot of stuff that is involved is not just put a camera up.
I've caught some of you again. You've got to go back and think logically about everything that you do.
You know, you can't just put it down to paranormal.
You've got to be careful because there's certain things like the floors.
It could be all flooring. It can creep. There's so many different things.
And I think sometimes people are too quick to say this is paranormal when actually there's a logical answer.
And the same with us. Sometimes we get excited.
But then you forget to think logically because you're in that moment and you're like, well, but then when you go back to it, you need to think and make sure that you're clear and well, I'll show you this.
Right. So I'm going further.
I got this. I got this as a gift one time. Right.
And I keep forgetting to use it all the time. No.
Look at this.
I tell you what, those are great to have actually, because I used to have one myself and those actually have a lot of stuff in it.
Yeah, there's a lot. I tell you what, Nando, I just want to say it's great.
Thank you, Robin. Yeah, that's awesome. Hold on.
Show it again, because I'm going to put you full screen.
But no, the inside.
And then the pages inside, you can mark down your location.
So I'm going to put that somewhere there.
What date you were there, all the stuff that happened.
So anyone listening on Spotify, IR radio, any Google podcast, Amazon, all that kind of stuff.
If you want to see what Robin just held up, just go to our Facebook.
You'll be able to see it on there.
It's called Paranormal Investigation Logbook.
I'm sorry for rudely being interrupted by my UK best friend.
No, I'm just joking.
Nobody cares about your handy dandy notebook, damn it.
No, I'm just joking.
But what I want to say was it's so good to hear someone, especially a team that's writing stuff down still, because I know a lot of people that don't do that.
They'll more like type it or they'll type certain things, or they'll just have like a little notebook and then they'll transfer it over to something else.
But I'm old school man with the paper stuff.
My dad always doing it, but I have to write stuff down because there's stuff that I'll forget if I don't.
And it's like, I'll have notebooks of just stuff written places.
It's bad.
But I just want to say, man, thank you so much for coming on.
I do want to announce one thing, and that was in the new year, I was going to start doing like a couple of weeks of Paranormal Investigation classes.
And I wanted to actually see, Nando, if you would join me in doing these free classes for people and maybe just give them some insight that we have.
I mean, we're not like we said, nobody's experts.
But I see a lot of people charging so much money to help these new people get into the field.
And I'd rather just do it for free, man, because it's simple.
We can put equipment up that we use, explain the, you know, the technology behind it.
And, you know, if people are interested, I'll be happy to take part in that.
But again, one thing I would say is it's all opinion based.
You know, that's the thing.
People, if they want to get into the paranormal, they need to do it for themselves.
We've all done.
You know, the only way that you're going to find out real evidence and how things work is by doing it your own way.
Never try and beat someone else.
Just be who you are.
And that's the best way to investigate.
And that's the way I would leave it on that.
I'm going to end it on that.
But I tell you what, that was awesome as an ending right there.
I don't even want to talk anymore, actually, because that just totally threw me off my game right there.
That was good.
That was that was like a speech and a half right there.
I like that.
You've got a business, Nando.
You've got a species.
I can shut AJ up.
Go on me.
Seriously.
But yeah, I just want to say thank you, man, so much for coming on.
But yeah, to all the people that are going to be doing in the new year and have Nando with me, we're going to do free classes for new people
who want to get into this field, even spirit communication, show you like techniques that I use that I've helped others with and that work for me.
And we'll show evidence clips and we'll talk about the equipment and talk about logging and just doing real paranormal investigation work and stuff.
So if you guys are interested, we're going to do that in the new year.
It's going to be free.
We're not charging nobody.
There's too many people out there charging two hundred dollars for paranormal investigation classes, which is crazy.
But we're always going to do classes for free with us.
I mean, it's like like Nando just said, it's everyone is on their own journey in this paranormal field.
You have to be yourself.
You have to do it for yourself.
No matter what.
I mean, my evidence will never be your evidence.
Your evidence will never be mine.
Robbins will never be ours.
You know, and that's just something that we have in this field.
But Nando, shout out where they can find you at.
I'm going to put your full screen shout out everything and let them know what's up.
So you can find us on www.portaltotheparanormal.co.uk.
We are on Facebook, Portal to the Paranormal, Instagram again, and also on TikTok as well.
So if you want to and we highlight a lot of our evidence on TikTok.
So if you want to head there and have a look, please feel free to.
And if you ever want to reach out, if you ever got a question about the paranormal, again, feel free to reach out and we'll be happy to answer.
Any questions that you may have.
That is awesome, man.
Well, Nando, man, again, for like the 15th time.
Thank you so much for coming on, man.
Everyone will be seeing Nando on as a guest time to time because he's just an awesome dude.
And I love your family, man.
I hope you have a Merry Christmas, my friend.
And to all the viewers, Merry Christmas to you guys.
If we don't see you before the holidays, hopefully we will, though.
And he will be coming to your chimney, so everyone might fire.
Nando, love you, my brother.
I will see you. Thank you for having me on, guys.
And thank you for all the questions from the audience as well.
It's been great tonight.
Not a problem. Thanks, man. Bye. Take care.
Wow, man. Awesome, dude. Awesome show, man.
I had such a great time talking to Nando.
And, you know, from the couple of weeks ago when you were dealing with some things and I had him on, man, it was just awesome.
Because he runs a podcast. He knows, you know, all that stuff.
So he was asking questions that I never thought of.
And just just very intelligent the way he looks at things.
And I love that about Nando.
And that's why I think also why we guys, why we click so well, all of us, because we're learning from each and every one of us and everyone that comes on the show and Nando show and all this stuff.
They all learn from each other.
And I think that this was field has to be about right, man.
You know, we have to work with each other because we only accomplish like a lot.
If we work together, if not, this progress is going to be so small, like it's been for decades.
I mean, yeah, there's been some leaps and bounds, but we need some giant stuff.
We're still, you know, we need some clear communication, some clear stuff, some compound evidence that we can, you know, use.
And I think that we can do it.
And I think that in the next few years, people start working together and it keeps going the way that it is with growth.
I hope this field really becomes something in the scientific aspect.
Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're going to go through your life as an investigator, not one to communicate with anybody, you know,
I'm wanting to go on your own and want to do things on your own and fake stuff and that.
And it's just welcome to your own life of being a loner.
No, you're right, man.
And welcome to your life of being irrelevant, because these people who do that, you know, and you know, we talk to anybody.
I don't mean that in a funny way. We talk to anybody.
We'll have the podcast. We can bring people on.
We can find out what they're like.
Yes, come back to the very start of the podcast.
We'll have an experience that wasn't very nice.
So, but this is the way this is where it goes.
We only find these things out when we talk to people.
And if you're not willing to work with people, if you're not willing to talk to people, if you think you're better than anybody else,
you're living on the island of relevancy.
You know, a lot in this field gets caught up nowadays with fame and YouTube and stuff like that.
And the only thing that one thing that I want to teach people, especially with this field, is just to know that it's got to be a personal journey.
It's not a get rich quick. It's not a get famous.
I mean, if you want to fix it by all means, or if you're looking for a TV show and you're all about entertainment, you don't care about this work at all.
I mean, then that's up to you. But I tell you what, the entities or whatever we talk to the spirits, whatever you want to call them, this energy,
they will figure it out for themselves what to do with people that fake stuff.
And I believe that a lot of people have certain bad experiences when they do mess with things they don't understand too much.
But anyway, man, this has been a great show.
I want to leave with one thing and that is hi, I'm Jason. And this is my mom. Oh, my God.
Hey, my name is a Jacob Paso. I am your host and founder of Talking with the Source.
I'm here with my great friend is Robin from Habermas Paranormal and talking with the source.
And you have watched another episode of Talking with the Source. See you again soon.
Later.