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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here, host and founder of Talking with the Source.

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We are back with another episode and I'm here with my good friend HoHoHoS Robin from Hopper Paranormal.

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Oh my freaking gosh. Oh my, these are the friends that I have people. Do you see this moron?

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Only you. And you want, I just want to let everyone know who's watching right now.

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He wanted me to wait for him with the camera off just so he could do that HoHoHo with the hat on.

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Only him, only him. And he talks about me on this podcast. Hey Sarah, how are you? Sorry for stealing the hubby.

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Paracrew podcast, what's going on everybody? And even they mentioned, look at the hat, laugh my ass off, love you brother.

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Yep, only him. Well guys, today I want to just do a quick shout out. This episode is sponsored by my good friend over at Dragon Novelties.

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Let me pull him up right now. Dragon Novelties. You have friends? Yes, I actually do have friends. But anyway, screw you.

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Anyway, head over to Dragon Novelties on Facebook. Check them out. If you like collectibles, anime, all different types of stuff like that, head over there.

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My buddy's got some amazing stuff you can buy right online through the store. It is located, if you are in the Connecticut USA area, it's located right in the Meriden Mall.

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So you can head there as well. Hey, since we're in this laughing joke spirit, I just want to post this because I posted this on my wall today. I thought it was pretty funny.

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Before you do, hi, I'm Jason and this is my mom. Oh my God.

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Brother Matt's in the audience. Well, listen, listen, listen. We got a great guest today. I want to bring him on. We've been holding him in the back for too long.

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His name is Nando Desario. He's a portal to the paranormal. I want to bring him on right now. He's a brother, a great friend. Amazing people. What is up Nando?

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Hey everyone, how's it going? How you been brother? I'm really well. How are you guys been? I'm losing the hat. I'm Jason and this is my mom.

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I'm sorry to throw that out there. One thing I want to do. I'm sorry about this everybody by the way. Yeah. You know what? If I have to put up with you with a Santa hat and you can't put up with me for two seconds with a hi, I'm Jason, I'm a mom meme, then you know what? I don't like you anymore.

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You know what? I used to have really high hopes for the UK people, but now you have totally brought down that hope. You can't live without me. You need me. You're right. You're right. All right. I'll give it to you.

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Anyway, what I want to do is I want to actually bring something up real quick. This is something that me and you were talking about in the back on Nando. And I think this was something that I saw today that was a really important way just to remind people during this Christmas holiday.

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It says, oh no, sorry, not that one. There was another one. There's another one that basically stated that everyone's on their own journey. You don't know what somebody's going through. So, you know, just be nice. You know what I mean?

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Basically, that's in a nutshell, you know, and I just thought that was very important in this Christmas holiday, man, you know, to bring up and just remind everyone, you know, we're all going through some stuff. We all had some crappy couple of years with COVID and just everything with family.

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And I know a lot of us have lost a lot of people. So, you know, you never know what someone's going through. So just, you know, give them the time of day and, you know, apologies as well to everybody that we haven't been on for a few weeks.

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Yes, absolutely. Apologies for that. But we are back with Nando right now. I'm super happy we were able to reschedule. So, Nando, tell the viewers a little bit about yourself.

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So, well, to be honest, I've been with Portal to the Paranormal since 2020. Daniel Winter started up the group. I initially was there to do like event planning, like get events booked on, look for locations to go and film, investigate.

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But to be honest, I wanted to get more into it because my wife, Sarah's been in the Paranormal for, oh, Jesus, over nearly 10 years now, I would say, maybe just a bit under. And at first, and I think I've said this to you before, AJ, I used to call them the Ghostbusters going playing with their Ghostbuster friends.

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But the thing is, you know, as we grow up in life, things happen, don't they? I think a lot of people that are in this field is because a high majority, I would say, have had some experiences that they can't explain.

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And I've had that as well. You know, I'm not no medium or anything like that, but certain things make you think and then as you grow up in life, you sort of forget about those things.

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And then I think where it was reintroduced to me with Portal to the Paranormal, I thought, you know what, I want to do more into it and see what we can document, what we can get as evidence, and see how much is real and how much is fake, if you get what I'm saying.

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So that's what got me into being part of Portal to the Paranormal.

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I think a lot of us are nearly sort of pushed into it really, aren't we, because not by anybody in particular, but by, like you said Nando, events that happen.

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You know, something will happen and, you know, we'll have an experience, excuse me, or something will happen that you think, right, I need to look at this, I need to look at this more because, you know, this has happened.

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And before you know it, you're caught up in it and you can't sort of get out, can you?

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It is certain things. I'll give you an example. When I was much younger, I think I must have been about nine years old, I had a fear of sleeping in the dark, like a real terrible fear of it.

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And now you're a Paranormal Investigator.

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Yeah, I know, tell me about it. But you know what, there was one night I was laying on the bed and my grandmother had died quite early on in her late 50s.

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And I woke up and she was literally sat next to me, like literally, but she wasn't the older grandmother that I remember. It was the picture that's on her headstone in the graveyard.

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She was quite young, beautiful and she had this glow about her. And I think it's things like that, you know, you know, things have happened. But as you grow up, I don't know if it's, not people tell you not to believe it, but you sort of grow up and you do your own thing.

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And, you know, and there's been a few occasions where specific family members for me, I've always had, I would say visits from family members, my grandfather, my doctor.

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And I think just being part of Portal to the Paranormal has made, has allowed me to, you know, sort of understand the paranormal field a lot more than what I did before.

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Because like I said, before Sarah got into it, I just didn't, not that I didn't believe it, maybe it was partly you're scared of it. I do think people are scared of the unknown, so they turn their head to it and say it's fake.

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It's a load of cobs wallop and all that.

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But yeah, but things have happened and I've got given an opportunity, I've taken it and I've loved it ever since.

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I think we're all scared of the unknown.

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Yeah, you know, I tell you what, you're right. I think a lot of people, especially for me, I mean, because I was the same way as you, man, I didn't believe it all like until I had my experience, my near death stuff, and my own experiences, I didn't believe it all.

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I was totally against it. I mean, I had a fear of demons because I was a Christian, you know, and stuff like that. And I believed in an afterlife. But when it came to paranormal and stuff like that, I totally lost all hope after I lost my grandfather when I was 12.

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And I just never, never crossed my mind until I started having these things happen. And, you know, I was actually terrified. And you're right. I think a lot of people are scared.

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That's why they choose not to, you know, they should do that. Am I cutting in and out?

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I forgot to shut my notifications off. So I've been seeing a couple pop up and I see Nando smile. So I'm thinking to myself like, well, I must be cutting in and out as I'm talking.

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No, no, I'm just taking it in. I'm just saying.

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I think you're right, though.

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Hey, hold on. I want to say what's up to Anthony real quick. This is going to be our next guest on here. Wraith Will Podcast. Check him out. Wraith Hunters, you guys are awesome. So just keep up the good work, guys.

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Go ahead, Robin. Sorry to cut you off. I'm just saying, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, we all have these events that happen.

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I never, you know, I watched the programs and TV and stuff like that, most haunted and things like that.

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But, you know, as much as I was intrigued by it, I never ever seen myself doing it.

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And, you know, I mean, it was just something that to me was out there for certain people to do. And obviously I wasn't one of them.

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You know, I mean, and then it's like something, like I say, something happens.

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And, you know, my experience that time I was telling you about seeing that little girl.

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And for some reason I felt I need to sit in that room in the dark and I was basically taken away.

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And the stuff that she told me for it to be absolutely spot on when they look back in records, it's like, you know, I remember my mother in law saying to me, you've got to do this.

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And I was like, I do. I really have because I can't ignore that, you know, I've picked up on an exact year.

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I've picked up on three names, which was a little girl's first name, middle name and surname.

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You know, I mean, I can't to me, I couldn't just like think, right. That's something that's happened and walk away.

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You know, things like this happen like with you, AJ, and even Nando, these things sort of happen.

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You know, when you sort of for want of a better word, when you when you dial in a little bit, it's like you get that sort of bug, don't you?

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It's like you're like, I can't I can't not do this. Yeah.

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There is some sorry, go ahead, Nando. I'm on my apology.

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No, no, I was actually I was that there was something I wanted to actually ask you about about the thing you told us experience by your grandmother. But I want to hear what you're going to say to what Robin said first.

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I was just agreeing with with Robin what he's saying.

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Like you sort of delve into it. Not when I joined PTP.

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It was more of a, you know, something in the background for me to something to do when I'm at home, you know, when I haven't got a lot to do.

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I think we went on an investigation and it was really exciting. You know, there's stuff that I'm sure we'll go into it, you know, different experiments, different equipment, and you sort of learn about and then you start developing your own sort of techniques and what you believe in, what you don't particularly don't believe, but you don't think it's for you.

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You know, I mean, you got to find those suit you to be a good paranormal investigator. So yeah, but once I got into it, it was just like, what we do in next? Who's the next person we're going to because Sarah come up with the idea during the podcast, you know, and it just went on from there.

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And the more people you get to speak to, the more you're learning. And I think the paranormal field, there's no right or wrong answer is all opinion based and we all need to respect. Firstly, I must say, you know, it can be quite bitchy.

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And I apologize if people don't agree with this. But in my opinion, it could be quite bitchy. But what people need to remember, we all have different backgrounds, different beliefs, and we just need to respect it for what it is. No one means any disrespect.

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It's just how people have developed their own ways in the paranormal field.

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But yeah, once I got into it, it's, I love doing it now.

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I love doing more than a normal job, you know, it's right.

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It's a well, when you first start off, like, like me, after that, that event with me, it was like, well, let's go and have a look at a couple of buildings and stuff. But then, you know, I wasn't even recording, I was just walking around them, like abandoned

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buildings and stuff. And then it was like, I might record one or two and then it goes on from that. And then, you know, my daughter, she does urban explorer and she was like, well, why don't you start a YouTube? And I'm like, no, I'm not gonna.

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And she's like, no, no. So she pushed me towards that. And then, you know, I never had, I never had the inkling I was ever going to do a podcast until I met AJ.

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And it was like, you know, then it was like being pushed towards it. Let's do a podcast. And, you know, before you know it, you know, you're talking to people from all around the world.

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You know, you make these totally amazing friends from all corners of the world. You know, I mean, AJ, he's like a brother to me and I've never even met him in person, only over the phone.

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But then you then you've spent before you know it, you've spent hundreds of pounds on all this equipment. You know, you've got this YouTube channel where you've got so many videos on it.

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You've got all these people who watch all these videos. You know, you've got people sending you different locations and asking you to come and do their houses and stuff.

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And before you know it, it's like you try you're trying to get a minute for yourself and you look back and think this this only ever started as as a little sideline, you know, and it's like before you know it, it's like, boom, it's your whole life.

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You're right. And it's even things like when you're saying about the podcast as well. Sarah initially started the Thriller podcast.

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She they were doing something during the lockdown period, we were trying to connect with people because that was really hard. A lot of people being stuck indoors, not being able to see family.

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So we did like a games night, several great ways. And then by chance, she managed to get I'm not sure if his background, I think he might have been like some kind of demonologist or something along those lines.

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And it's just Bill, but now it's built to the stage where we're connecting together where AJ messages me, would you be a co host, for example, so it's not just the fact that we're doing our own thing.

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We're actually adapting to other people and we're working with other people. We had the pleasure of having Brian Lavery come down to the UK.

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You know, so it just shows how powerful people might laugh about us doing the paranormal field. But in some aspects, we're a lot stronger than what other fields are. We connect in ways that other fields are not connected.

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No, you know, you're right.

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You know, I totally agree with what you're saying. I totally agree with what you're saying because you're right. There's a great connection aspect in the paranormal field when you find the right people.

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You just have to weed the weeds out to find the roses in the bunch. You get what I'm saying? It's like because there's a lot of a lot of drama in this field. And I don't know why, dude, I have no idea why it's like everybody brings their luggage and drops it off in this field.

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And that's not what this field is about. But it just seems like it's becoming more and more, especially with social media, you know.

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But the thing is, is that we have a great group of people that we talked to and we're all about the research. And that's really what it's for me.

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Like from the minute I started my YouTube, it wasn't like I'm starting YouTube and be the next Mr. Beast or I'm going to be the next Logan Paul. That was never my thing or next Steve Hoff or whatever.

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That was never my goal. My thing was it was a place to put my videos because I didn't have money to buy a storage for my computer at the time.

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I had a crappy computer. And I tell you what, it's like now I'm glad that I can show people this amazing clips of responses and communication and anything that I do in this field.

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And it's just a great way to get it out there, you know. But it comes with its drawbacks.

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I mean, then you get people that, you know, try to bash you online. You got to deal with that or your fake stuff. I don't let any of that bother me.

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Some people let it bother you. But I, you know, I just gave him here for the research, you know, I'm here to find out what happened to me when I died and what I saw and experienced and to find out more answers.

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But not to kind of switch gears. What I wanted to ask you about your grandmother who showed up for your experience or visitation.

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He said that she was she looked not like the older woman that you remember. She looked like a younger. So I mean that with respect when I say you didn't know. Yes. Yes.

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You're looking down on me. What are you saying?

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You're telling yourself right now.

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You know, but yes.

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So sorry, AJ. I didn't mean to interrupt. I just thought I'd be loving myself before I upset her.

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He's got himself in trouble.

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Right, right, right. Hey, if something goes flying across your room later, she's there.

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I know. I know about it.

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Right. Hey, no. But what I what I wanted to say about it, though, was it's funny that you said that in that detail about how she looked. And the reason why I say that is because when I had a meeting reading after my dad passed and I hooked up with a meeting that I now work closely with, I didn't trust any mediums before.

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Like I literally didn't believe in any of it. I thought it was all just hoax like gas. I'm going to tap into this energy before I really knew energy and stuff about it. Like on a scientific term, I just didn't believe anything of it. And a lot of them, people that I've seen are hoaxes and just trying to steal people's money.

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Well, this lady, it wasn't that she never was asked for money and does all free readings and stuff, which is cool. And it's just about helping people.

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And when she connected with my aunt, she I mean, my my when she did a reading for my aunt, my dad came through in his 20s or 30s when he had a mustache, long hair.

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But then when I had my reading, she was like, oh, wow. She goes, wow, your dad looks so different. He looks like Mr. Clean. And the picture that I've shared since that time is me and him, where we both have bald heads.

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And that's how he looked is, you know, before he passed. And it's funny because I actually asked spirit about this in a communication session that I did. And they said the reason why that they do this on the why they show themselves at that, like they'll show themselves like that is because when we cross over, when we pass on or whatever, we can choose to show ourselves or whatever you want to call it in the time where we were the happiest.

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So like if say my 30s was my happiest, I died at 80. I'm not going to show myself at 80. I want to I'm going to be in my happiest form, my happiest if they've you know, it's I guess according to spirit, if they crossed over, like I said, all theory, I don't know if any of the stuff I came through the box that I just told you was true.

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But from things that I've lined up with synchronicities, that's kind of funny that you you said that detail.

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I do believe in I do agree with you, you know, because growing up with my grandmother, she she was older, you know, she looked the age she should have been to come back.

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Yeah, I keep looking up and I'm like, I mean, with respect, she presented herself to me in a way of that's how she wanted to me to remember her by, you know, she was a very pretty, you know, lady, you know, and I think that's the way I'm climbing out of my hold up thing.

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But the past year a shovel. But then another experience was this is when I had kids, you know, me, Sarah and the three boys now one night I was sat up watching TV and no nothing particularly was going wrong.

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It was just nice chilled environment in the house. Sarah was in bed, kids were in bed and the door slightly open.

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I thought this is a breeze coming through. And I know I wasn't awake and I'll tell you why in a moment. But then my grandfather walked in to the room, like full apparition.

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I could see his eyes, his face. And, you know, he was a cool Italian guy, you know, you know, like with the caps. You know, he coming chains and pinky ring.

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Yeah, yeah, he had his he had his ring on. And he literally didn't say anything to me, but he had literally sat on the sofa next to me.

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And, you know, and then I looked at him and I wasn't scared, but I was like, Wow, do you know, like, because I know who he was. So I wasn't scared of him.

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But it didn't stop me running up the stairs and jumping on top of Sarah to know what happened. You know, I literally ran. That's how I knew I was awake.

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But then for days after that, I could smell his tobacco because he smoked old open tobacco. And I don't know if you guys ever you might know of this, Robin, the licorice tobacco paper and the distinctive smell, you know,

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Oh, Holborn had a smell and up anyway. You know, and I could smell that wherever I would go in the house. It was like he was still that like he had left that scent of him in the house. But it was just clear as day that he was there.

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And like I said, I've not seen loads of stuff, but I've seen my family members have come to me. And that was like, you know, it was so clear. It was unreal. Like, and this is where this was later on in life. And, you know, it was amazing.

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I think at that time, he was just letting me know that he's still around, you know, there was no direct message. But when you talk to people that are not involved in the paranormal and they don't believe, they look at you like you've gone crazy.

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But yeah, you know, yeah.

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Do you know what you've seen? Yeah, that was just a new experience I've had.

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No, that's awesome. You know, it's funny that you said people look at you crazy because you're right. I mean, I tell you what I look at myself crazy sometimes, especially when I'm explaining an experience that I had.

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So like a recent experience I was explaining to one of my friends. Now I bother him with all my paranormal stuff and he just won't even go near because he's terrified.

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But I was telling the experience and I was like after I got done saying what happened that was like and I said all the synchronicities to make it understandable and everything why I think this was this.

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And I after I got done, I said to myself, wow, that sounds freaking stupid. That sounds insane.

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You know, I mean, but I totally agree with what you went through and I totally understand that it's real what you went through because after I had my experience where I saw that full bodied apparition twice in one time with my entire family solidly.

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That changed everything for me. That was my go. That was my change to go into this field, even though I had my dear enough experience before it. That was my, my thing. And when you see some like that, especially like for you seeing your uncle, that's an awesome experience to see a loved one.

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Yeah, like, I mean scary scary. Don't get me wrong.

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I think like you're saying it sort of put me on the fence there where you know what there there's more to this. You know, I do believe after you pass on there's more to life. We just, we I know people make claims about what happens to us when we pass on, but we don't really know.

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We don't know until we get there, we need to experience that for ourselves. But, you know, it does show those sort of experience does show that there is more to life after we are done on this earth.

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And hopefully, you know, if I could just do a little bit of what my grandparents have done just making sure my kids always know that I'm around them, you know, that that'd be a lovely feeling because at the same time is a lovely feeling to know that I was very close to my grandfather, you know, and, you know, to have him come and say, you know, the cool guy that he was.

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That's how he presented himself to me, you know, and it's like I was saying, my grandmother come in the way that I never remembered her by, but then my grandfather come in the cool guy that he was with his hat, you know, with his suit and his that smell that tobacco and his

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paper, you know, and you can you can't say it's not real because you've seen it for yourself but no I did I know what you mean it sounds totally crazy though I totally get it. There is one question I do want to ask you about the smell and stuff about you smell the tobacco but first I just want to say one thing.

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Everyone please go check out a view beyond the magazine is a parallel magazines absolutely amazing. Check it out. Just totally great so I just want to say shout out to drawing with shadow. Shout out to a view beyond.

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And like I said, Anthony before shout out to you my friend Ray throw a podcast love you guys.

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My question was do you have a lot of experiences now as an investigator where you have smells and stuff that you can pick up on.

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If I'm slightly honest, I do rely more and I depend on more of using technology based stuff like the course. Of course, yeah, I would never sit here and claim that I see things, you know, all the time.

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Because I would, I'll be lying, but there is subtle things that I've seen, like, but you got to remember when you're going into an investigation, and when you're going into a location, you're going in the dark, your brain is sort of, you know, your

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senses are heightened, but sometimes they tricks on you so you think you see some like a shadow figure walking past you. Yeah, you're like there's someone following, but that can be very easy explained or you hear a sound.

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And you've got to bear in mind, like if a card if you're outside doing an investigation, for example, and you're in a bit of a like a field area.

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And then a car door slams, it's, you know, Sam shop. Now from that sound the sound travels as it travels the sound changes. So by the time you get to hear that sound, you know, it might sound like something's walking in the bushes behind you.

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It might sound like something's touching so you got to remember you got to be open to those scenarios people can sometimes be a bit too quick and go, that's paranormal. Well, no, it isn't. And I don't mean that, you know, I'm not trying, this is of my opinion, you know,

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to be able to see the levels sound changes, same with lighting, you could see something come through a window for example, go out and investigate, and nothing's there. But how do you know that split second before someone's not there with a torch shining through.

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You've got to be careful what you're putting down to paranormal and you've got to be very, you know, before you claim it on social media and I think this is where some people go wrong, you know is that they put everything down to paranormal, the slightest sound

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movement. And, you know, and sometimes you watch the videos that you can see, you know, that the buildings that they're in a lot of these older buildings that they're not well insulated so there's going to be a draft through, you know, but getting back to your

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question I diverse a little bit, you know, since doing the paranormal investigations. Yes, I believe I've seen certain things. I've witnessed, you know, slight movement but again, I don't let that cloud my judgment to, you know, you've

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always got to be careful about what you're saying is paranormal, and you need to really make sure you've got all the facts and the location, what it's like weather conditions and everything.

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You know, actually, absolutely. But the one actually the thing I wasn't about seeing what I asked you is actually was smelling. Have you had more instances of that smell like because you said, have you had other experiences while you were investigating

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you've ever had that sense go off on your you know without just noticing something randomly not saying it's paranormal but something that you couldn't explain at the moment that was like oh wow you know that was a weird scent.

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Yeah. So we were investigating a building in Portsmouth in Hampshire is called with her manner.

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It's a really really old weird building, but we were up in the attic area.

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And we were sat there and everything was cool and I sat there on my own for about 10 minutes.

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And this weird smell and I can't say it's like, if I was to put do you know like the smell of rotten meat, like when you've left it out too long. It's a really like, yeah nasty yeah nasty smell to it.

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Anyway, so I smelt that and it was like quite strong but it was in front of me like, if I can smell it in front of me. And it was just so weird that that smell was coming through, because then later on when we when I was talking to

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that specific room.

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That room was known to do illegal abortions in that room.

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Oh no way. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, could that I'm taking it down. It could be in the smell of raw, like rotten meat.

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But could that smell of, you know,

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again, the reason why it was funny. It's funny you brought this experience up the reason why I brought that up this question was because when you said you had that smell that's something that's a, that's a sign that I've never gotten from a family

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member, or from any paranormal experience I've ever had. I've never really dealt with smells, there's only been one occasion and I can really say maybe I had an experience but the reason why I asked you that question was, is that just like clairvoyant, being

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clairvoyant or claircognizant, I mean clairaudience, clair all that stuff.

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There's a clair for smells I believe and I don't know if it's cognizant I don't know what it what claircognizant or whatever it is I'm not too sure the exact one at this moment.

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But I'm just one for that and I believe that we all have these inner senses, along with our outer senses that we do know of like to this day, and I just believe that those inner senses will go off like how you know you had that experience and you would have never

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experienced that rotting flesh smell, maybe or who knows it could have been nothing but it's weird that it kind of synchronizes with the whole portion thing could it be that we don't know but it's funny that that could be one of your gifts to be honest, like, you know,

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Yeah, do you know what, like I said, I don't claim to be gifted in any way, you know, I've got about now yeah, the thing for me, I've gone into this not knowing how in depth the paranormal is, you know, of course, you see it on TV, let's be honest a lot of the stuff, you know,

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when you watch on TV, again, you got to be very careful because, fortunately, TV shows are there to get viewing so you know, and again, this is of my opinion, not saying it is but my opinion, they need to stage stuff to get viewing so they can continue doing,

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you know, but yeah, like I said, my experience of very minimal, you know, I've not had those well, I'm still waiting for that well moment where, you know, when I'm out in a location and see something relating to that location that would be amazing, you know,

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Dude, you saw your uncle sit next to you. What else do you need Nando?

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Personal though that's personal. You know that I get that's amazing. But I want to see as we're investigating those moments, you know, when you see on TV, like the chair suddenly pulls out or going on and I would love to capture that sort of, you know, that sort of evidence and being able to share that with people.

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Well, here's a question for you. Right, let's twist it slightly right is that I've seen apparitions before of people, right, but it's always been family members of Julie's, I have never ever seen or had contact with anybody from my family.

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Now, if you're listening up there, come and see me. You know what I mean? I find it strange, you know, I have two grandfathers that have gone of two grandmothers that have gone of a cousin that's gone of an uncle that's gone, you know, I mean, I don't have a big family, don't get me wrong.

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I don't have a big family at all. My family's tiny. But, you know, it's always people and I've seen what one, two, three, three clear apparitions in my lifetime, and it's only been of Julie's family members.

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And it's never been any of mine and, you know, I sometimes think to myself, well, you know, I, I can see things I can hear things I can communicate sometimes, you know, and why am I only seeing and communicating with people from Julie's side of the family, even though I got on really well with them, you know what I mean?

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Well, you know what it is, man, I, you know, it's funny, a medium told me one time that the reason that could be is because you might like, you might be blocking yourself not fully open when it comes to your family.

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And that could be the reason why your quote unquote gifts, as we call it, are working in that moment because it's a little more personal when it comes to your family.

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But someone else guards or your guards completely down, you know, trust me, I'm blocking myself night. Anybody up there. Come on. No, there's always there's always an inner thing that we don't understand.

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I think that's that can block the connection. I truly don't think we completely fully understand. Obviously, what we don't understand how to do this communication.

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But tell me what's one of the most amazing experiences you've had, Nando.

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On an investigation on investigation. So one of I think one of it is this was earlier this year, we went to a place called Mana Farm and we try and document everything we do everything raw.

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We don't edit anything. So we go live and we literally will set a camera in front of what we're doing so people can see we were in this old church.

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It was me and a guy called Luke that's on the team. And we had a couple, a very simple capital where if it gets touched it flashes.

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Anyway, we had it on the table. And literally we were asking questions because we had the spirit box on.

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And we asked that Are you here? And then you hear a voice saying I'm here. But as that happens, you see the capital just move across the camera.

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But bearing in mind, so when I'm talking about this altar, there's a big rope. You can actually go next to the altar to move it and you can see me and Luke are in front of the camera.

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And all you see, Leslie, because he's quite new again. And all you see is Luke's face sort of go, whoa. And then when we look back at the footage, you literally see the capital from here and then it just like gently moves across on its own.

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That was quite cool. That was you're over here. I want to see a chair move. I need this and that you got a ball to move. I mean, you're getting shit to move. Listen, we're paranormal investigators.

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We know I don't know. We always want more. But we're human, damn it.

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That was quite a cool moment. And the other one for me would be when we were with Brian, Brian Loverty, Hunterphobia Canada, and Let's Paranormal. So we took Brian to Royal Victoria Country Park.

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It was where I don't know if you guys know Florence Nightingale? Yeah, it was the nurse at one when it used to be a hospital. Oh, it goes back and this hospital was absolutely huge.

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And I think it got burnt down. But there's a section of it still there that they turned into a bit of like a cafe in the museum. But we're outside. And Brian was going around introducing everyone.

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So hi, my name's Brian. This is Sarah. This is Lex. This is Nando. And then out of nowhere it goes hi Nando. Now I know people might say the the spirit box is a radio station.

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It goes through a sweepstake, which I agree. But how often would you hear the name Nando come through on the radio? My name is not a usual name.

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So when that come through, I was just like, oh, wow, that that was quite funny. But then since then, since then, and again, I've got this on footage as well that I can share with you guys after.

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Every time that we seem to use a spirit box, there's been a few other occasions my name keeps coming through. You know, we did.

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Burzard and Brickworks is an old, an old museum, it's a museum now, but it's where they used to do the bricks and build bricks and everything.

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And we were sat down. And again, we were introducing ourselves. We were sat in a circle. I think it was just me, Dan and Luke again. And we started talking amongst ourselves and my name just come through out of nowhere.

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And it's just like, but then I do think sometimes could this be where they're saying my name, could it be a family member? Like, like I said, I've experienced, especially with my grandfather, you know, seeing him.

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Could this be him? Like sort of protecting me in a way? Because, you know, some people see it. What we do is wrong and blah, blah, blah, which I don't agree with as long as you're respectful.

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To say my name specifically, you know, it makes me think could that be him? Like sort of watching what I'm doing and letting me know that he's around. But again, that's an opinion. There's no hard evidence to say for sure.

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Could this be my brain tricking me to make me think it is my name? But when two other people hear it as well, it's hard to sort of debunk that. Do you know what I mean? Because I'm always open to debunk it.

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I agree. I totally agree, man. And that's why we always record obviously those type of sessions so that we can get, you know, we can hear all the responses we do miss.

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One of our viewers, Pamela, she said the same spirits might actually be following you around Nando. Have you ever thought of that?

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Yeah, that, that I'm and I agree. Could it be? Yeah, I've got such a strong connection with my grandfather that he's with me.

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Yeah, you know, but I think as we go through this journey and as we do more investigations, I'm sure we'll start picking up stuff and, you know, see what happens.

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I have the same whenever we're right, because it doesn't matter how many people are right with me.

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Anytime we're doing a spirit box and I normally a question I ask is, can you say one of our names? It's here now. And every single time my mother-in-law Christine, she goes by Chris and it says Chris.

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It never says Robin. It never says anything else. You know, people, all the people that are there.

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But I'm just going back to what you were saying, Robin, you were saying about why do you think you're connecting with your partner's family instead of your own?

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Not saying that your partner has had any kind of bad times. We've all suffered in one way or the other. We've gone through bad experiences.

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But do you think your family don't come to you because they see that you're OK? I believe that this is an opinion. I'm not saying I'm right, but they can see that you're content.

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You're happy. And I think maybe my background where I've had a few challenges over the years, shall we say.

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And some of those challenges have made me weak in myself where lack of confidence may be, you know, maybe that's why they're still around to reassure me that I don't.

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I don't want to sound. I like that. You can say it as it is. I'm not going to take any offense.

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I don't want to sound disrespectful towards you. And I get what you're saying, but I don't necessarily agree with that because the only reason being that, yeah, in myself and the health, I might be all right.

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But, you know, everything that we've been going through, you know, like obviously with Julie's illness and stuff like this and, you know, a couple of her family members and stuff dying.

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And I've been I've been the person that's that's tried and had to hold it all together, you know, when when when everybody else was sort of, you know, feeling down and that there's times.

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Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Stop. You're right there. Did you ever think to yourself the reason why you might be seeing her family members is because you are the one that has won the gift to be able to to you are the one that holds it together.

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So they know that she needs that reassurance right now the most because she has that disease.

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So what if they're doing that for you so that you can let her know to brighten her up and maybe yours are with you. There's not communicating right now because of your connected with them for a reason.

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You know, I'm not going to interrupt you, but I just want to throw it out there. No, no, I agree. It's quite possible.

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And I'm not absolutely fine. I haven't got a problem with communicating with anyone from her side of the family.

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But just when you're going through these times and you know, you're you're sort of struggling to hold things together and you know, there's times, think yourself.

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I could just I could just do with the with the as well as going to spend silly, but a five minute chat or, you know, or even just to see like my uncle, I was quite close to my uncle when he, you know, and then he obviously died.

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And it's like I could I could just really do with, you know, a bit of a bit of a boost in that way.

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You know, like, yeah, but it's like it's like I'm not I'm not knocking her family and I've heard from her listening.

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Come and see me as well. I don't mind. By the end of the show, we were going to be there during the prep.

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We're going to be all hectic because of you guys. You know, you get where I'm not trying to give a sob story or anything like that.

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You know, I mean, I'm not I'm just trying to sort of say that there, you know, there has been times when when on not selfishly, but me personally, me could have done with a with a little, you know, even a little appear.

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Hello, I'm here and go. Let me be honest with you right now and excuse my language, everybody, but fuck that shit.

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You be selfish because sometimes you need it. Sometimes you need that that reassurance. You need that help because there's times where I'll be outside.

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I'll be looking up at the sky and I'm like, Dad, I need your help, man.

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I fucking need to talk to you right now or Graham, where I miss you.

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Like, I need to talk to you and you know what's crazy? Every time I'm crying my eyes out, I'm literally looking up the sky and I'm doing that literally right after whether it's an Uber.

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I pick up whether it's some just anything. I'll meet somebody that will come into my life out of nowhere and it'll have something to do with my father somehow.

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It'll be connected and I to so be selfish, man.

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I mean, I get it because I get so mad, too, because my family, every time I do all these communication sessions, I was doing communication sessions for people from around the world.

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I was able to do it through Streamyard.

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I was able to do video calls and we run the boxes and I would do it live and then I would go back and, you know, review it and then send them that as well.

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And I tell you what, we would get some we would get their family members coming through every time that they would be able to verify on their own, which I wouldn't know any of the answers that they were getting, how to relate to any of it.

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And they would be getting they'd be like, oh, my God, that was this person.

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That was this person.

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And I would get so mad because I'm like, I can help anybody around the world with this with my connection, but I can't help myself.

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Why is that?

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That's what I'm saying.

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That's why I agree with Nando with what he was saying to an extent.

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But then in my own head, there's a there's a like an all extent above that, that that I'm sort of I'm sort of looking for.

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And maybe I should be going like that and said, I'm going like that.

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You know, I mean, I'm what.

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But it's just like, you know, why?

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Why is nobody from my side coming to me?

269
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You know, I mean, and it's sort of, you know, I want verification like anybody else does.

270
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You know, if you father or, you know, if any of her family who have gone want to come and sit here with me and talk and stuff and I can film it and stuff.

271
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I don't mind.

272
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You know, I mean, I really don't.

273
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But it's like when you when you look at it and think, you know, I've never even had it like like a smell from any of us, you know, or a voice or zero from my side.

274
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Yeah.

275
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And, you know, I get that you may have had experiences with your family.

276
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And another thing that I think like sometimes subtle things can happen that you can't explain.

277
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And that could be an indication that is your family.

278
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And what you're saying is right.

279
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What I'm saying is what I believe what you're saying is what you believe.

280
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And I think that's what we why we gel as a, you know, when we can talk.

281
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Because I don't disagree with what you're saying, Robin.

282
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I agree.

283
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You know, and what I say is, is another an opinion.

284
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None of us are right or wrong.

285
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And I think, you know, you're looking for that clarification, you know, and it just shows you've had your moments where you need to be able to connect for yourself.

286
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And you're wrong about being selfish, as I was saying to AJ in the back before we started.

287
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Sometimes you need to be selfish.

288
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Sometimes you need to do you first, especially it sounds like you've gone through a lot.

289
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You know, you get into that cycle where everyone's put first, which as a father, as a husband, I get that I would do that with my family.

290
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But sometimes you do need to take that step back and go, well, what about me?

291
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We sort of lose ourselves in everything else.

292
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Have you ever tried maybe again, this is an opinion or maybe a suggestion.

293
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Have you ever tried communicating directly with your family through, you know, sitting there on your own, maybe put the spirit box on and see if that because it could it be the case that they're waiting for you to go to them before they just go.

294
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I like it could be but AJ and me have tried it.

295
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And the thing is, I know that's obviously no, no, but this is what I'm going to say.

296
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Right. I know that's obviously yourself that they wouldn't know.

297
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:19,660
But, you know, we have done spirit boxes and, you know, we've asked for family friends, but not sort of mine, but like my sister's friend, for instance.

298
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And she she came through and it's like whenever we asked for my uncle, nothing.

299
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You know, I mean, we asked we asked for other people that's not necessarily connected relation wise to me.

300
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Yeah. And you will come through and say, you know, and then I'll say to AJ, well, I will ask for such and such and he'll ask for that.

301
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Not yeah, he won't get an answer.

302
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:58,660
And dude, I'm going to be honest, I really truly think just like how John with the shadow with shadow said, give the people not being able to communicate, you know, with their own relation with the whole family is more common than you think.

303
00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:02,660
And it's funny that he says that because I totally agree with what he's saying.

304
00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:07,660
I think when we're connecting with your sister's friends say we both don't have relation to that friend.

305
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:13,660
I mean, yeah, you know, or you might be friends or whatever, but there's not that connection with her like your sister has.

306
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So we're taking that connection of ours away from the situation.

307
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And I really do think that that's a big part in communication because it's so hard for me to connect.

308
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I mean, the only one that comes through at all with my family and I haven't had anybody come through except for subtle signs like Nando talked about pennies, feathers, certain things that I know it's them.

309
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The only person is my father and he'll come through and say his name every single time I turn the box.

310
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He'll let me know he's there.

311
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And it's an amazing feeling to have to be able to do that and talk to him.

312
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And another person just said, actually, Raymond, he just said, Yeah, I struggle with communicating with so many people in my family.

313
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It's not a lack of love for them.

314
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There's a barrier routine.

315
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What's being said and understood to the point that we don't talk.

316
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And I wonder if that can also cause connection problems to you know what I mean with having problems with family.

317
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Is it or is it I've often sorry, Nando, I've often thought of this one. Is it a case of what we've spoke about one time before?

318
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Is it a case of the other side not being allowed to tell you events that could happen that will happen or talk about events that have happened?

319
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So the only other thing that I can think of is that the family members are not allowed to come through because they're afraid of what they will tell you.

320
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If something if something bad is going to happen to you and three months, for instance, they're maybe afraid of, you know, of of of changing the timeline.

321
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I tell you what, there could be a bunch of different things.

322
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I mean, Nando, you want to say we're going to say I'm going to switch this over to something else.

323
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But what I was going to say is and again, don't take this the wrong way when I say this, Robin.

324
00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:03,660
OK, go ahead. Listen, you never have to say that with our brother.

325
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:06,660
But when you're talking about you always start to be respectful.

326
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:10,660
You know, we're talking about someone's family and you know, you never want to.

327
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:17,660
But, you know, sometimes when you look into spirits, you know, people say spirits have different stages.

328
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:22,660
Like sometimes there you got one spirit and you get another spirit.

329
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:32,660
Now, it could be something when they're on this living planet that, you know, we get characters that are quite strong, like really loud, strong characters.

330
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:35,660
And sometimes you get casted in the back, don't you?

331
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:38,660
Where this character is so big, you don't have a voice.

332
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:47,660
Could it be a case of your your wife's family that are quite big characters and they've got quite strong energy that are able to communicate with you?

333
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:49,660
We're not saying that they are.

334
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:56,660
But again, it could be someone where your family and what their energy is not strong enough, it's not able to prove.

335
00:51:56,660 --> 00:52:00,660
So they're being blocked just because of your connection with your partner.

336
00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:07,660
And yeah, it could possibly be, you know, because they do say that spirits have different sources of energy.

337
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:10,660
And it takes a lot for them to be able to build up themselves.

338
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:18,660
You know, like I've said, and just because with my experiences, I've never actually asked it to happen, if that makes sense.

339
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:25,660
I'm grateful for it, but I've never gone out and and sometimes it's come at the moments where I've needed it the most.

340
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And that's why I'm on the opinion that, you know, could it be they know that I'm struggling.

341
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:37,660
So they've just come in and sort of just if they could, they put their arm around their shoulder if they were still here.

342
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:39,660
Yeah, they're trying to do for me.

343
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:43,660
But again, we all have opinions and no one's right or wrong.

344
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:46,660
We're just trying to make we're just trying to make sense of it.

345
00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:52,660
And we're in a situation and all our situations are different and we all come in at different angles.

346
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:55,660
And every one of us have a right to have that opinion.

347
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:57,660
And no one is wrong.

348
00:52:57,660 --> 00:52:58,660
You're not wrong.

349
00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:00,660
I'm not wrong. Not even AJ.

350
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:08,660
You know, it's just we need to accept and be able to, you know, put our opinions across without anyone taking offense.

351
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And I think that's why everyone is very sketchy at times to have an open and honest.

352
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:16,660
Do you know what I mean?

353
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:19,660
Because you do get people that that take it the wrong way.

354
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:21,660
And it's like, no, wait there. Hold up.

355
00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:23,660
I'm not saying I'm right, but this is my opinion.

356
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:26,660
Robin, you come in and you you agree to a certain extent.

357
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:30,660
It's all good. But we all have different beliefs.

358
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:33,660
And I think, you know, it could be a number of reasons, Robin.

359
00:53:33,660 --> 00:53:40,660
But I bet you anything, you've had subtle experiences that you've not caught where your family have been around you.

360
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,660
So I do believe very strongly.

361
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:49,660
Right. Even if they don't physically come to you or physically let you know that they're there, they are around you.

362
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:54,660
I do not believe, you know, especially when you're very close, like you're saying about your uncle.

363
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:57,660
I've always been very close to my grandfather.

364
00:53:57,660 --> 00:54:02,660
And I know for a fact he is with me, I would say 90 percent of my time here.

365
00:54:02,660 --> 00:54:05,660
You know, he is with me one way or the other.

366
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:08,660
I don't always like I said, I don't always pick up on him.

367
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:12,660
But I do know he's one person I can always say that he's around me.

368
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:14,660
No, I don't want to switch the subject.

369
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:17,660
But I mean, I don't want to like switch the topic quickly.

370
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:19,660
But I want to I want to get off this topic.

371
00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:22,660
I want to say to you, one, thank you for coming on.

372
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:27,660
And I want to know some techniques that you use out in the field.

373
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:29,660
What are some experimental stuff that you do on the field?

374
00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:31,660
Because I know you're into science, man, like me.

375
00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:33,660
And I know, you know, you try different experiments.

376
00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:35,660
So tell me, what are some of your favorite?

377
00:54:35,660 --> 00:54:36,660
What are some of you do?

378
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:38,660
What are some of your experimental?

379
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:42,660
So one of the favorites got to be the EVP recordings.

380
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:48,660
And, you know, I think they're one of the hardest things to debunk.

381
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:56,660
So if you're picking up a voice that no one else is there, you know, and it's not your own, you know, that's hard to do.

382
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:58,660
Punk.

383
00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:59,660
Necrophonic.

384
00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:00,660
You know, we've used that.

385
00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:03,660
Now, I'm a bit on the fence with this one.

386
00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:09,660
The reason being is not saying it is the case, but a lot of these apps are designed to throw out words.

387
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:13,660
And, you know, it could be just at that precise moment.

388
00:55:13,660 --> 00:55:15,660
It gives you the word that you want.

389
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:23,660
But necrophonic, you know, it doesn't work on signals or anything because you can turn the you can turn the phone on to airplane mode and it works absolutely fine.

390
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:25,660
You can still get into it without any problem.

391
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:29,660
Yeah, because there's a bank in the bank actually is phonemes.

392
00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:31,660
It's not words.

393
00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:33,660
So it has no words in the entire device.

394
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:35,660
There's absolutely no words.

395
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:40,660
If you actually have a word that's clear as day that comes out, it's actually something manipulating the device.

396
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:45,660
It's actually phonemes that Keith Walden has actually programmed into it and he mixed them in a way of clips.

397
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:51,660
So that's why they're gibberish and they sound like weird and shit because they're slowed down, reversed, all messed up.

398
00:55:51,660 --> 00:56:00,660
And I'll tell you what, a lot of people have a false positive when they ask yes or no questions because when you get a yes, there's a lot of things in that app.

399
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:01,660
That's going on in the background as well.

400
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:07,660
So on the phone, but EVP, the spirit box, I do like the spirit, the SP seven.

401
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:15,660
Oh, yeah, because again, even though it goes through a radio suite, there's certain words that it tells you, you know, we did it.

402
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:19,660
We went to an old mansion in Manchester.

403
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:21,660
I'm trying to think what the name of it is now.

404
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:23,660
Antwerp.

405
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:24,660
Thank you.

406
00:56:24,660 --> 00:56:27,660
Wow.

407
00:56:27,660 --> 00:56:29,660
Robin, you saved me, man.

408
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:32,660
UK people.

409
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:34,660
Have you been there, Robin?

410
00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:37,660
I haven't been. I keep meaning to go.

411
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:43,660
But apparently now it's only it was classed as abandoned at one point.

412
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:46,660
But now it's you've got a book to go there.

413
00:56:46,660 --> 00:56:51,660
Yeah, because the people that actually live on the other side of the mansion, they live on the opposite.

414
00:56:51,660 --> 00:57:00,660
But we were downstairs in the basement and we had the spirit box on and we were just trying to think of different ways of communicating with the spirit.

415
00:57:00,660 --> 00:57:03,660
Because sometimes they don't want to give you direct information.

416
00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:05,660
So we come up with it's like a game.

417
00:57:05,660 --> 00:57:07,660
Like, can you repeat the word?

418
00:57:07,660 --> 00:57:08,660
I'm going to say a random word.

419
00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:09,660
Can you repeat it?

420
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:16,660
And at that moment, I thought this ain't going to work, you know, and I'll be, you know, I'll do it.

421
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:21,660
But anyway, so we'll go around and then I think Dan, he turned around and goes, can you say pineapple?

422
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:26,660
And then we wait because you got to give a bit and then clear as day, it come out pineapple.

423
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:27,660
Yeah.

424
00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:28,660
Right.

425
00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:36,660
And that was amazing and we were getting really good responses because we went around a few times and there was no one.

426
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:40,660
But the seller had a lot of mannequins in like body parts.

427
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:45,660
And then we were and then he said, can you say what I'm holding?

428
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:48,660
And it said hand because it was part of the money.

429
00:57:48,660 --> 00:57:53,660
So the equipment again, like I said, with a lot of the stuff that we do, we've got to be careful.

430
00:57:53,660 --> 00:58:01,660
Like, you know, when you're using the EMF meters and everything like that, you got to be so careful when it flickers.

431
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:02,660
You know, you've got to be careful.

432
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:07,660
Is there electrical things around that's making that flicker that you've not caught yet?

433
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:09,660
Even your IR light will make it go.

434
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:10,660
Yeah.

435
00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:22,660
So, you know, and what we tend to do, we do like a sweep of the building just to get a feel for it, you know, and, you know, trying to, you know, work out the rooms that have hardly anything there and just sort of work there.

436
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:24,660
Hey, Charles.

437
00:58:24,660 --> 00:58:26,660
How we doing?

438
00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:28,660
My family lives in Flower Mound.

439
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:30,660
So, welcome, Texas.

440
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:31,660
Yeah.

441
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:32,660
And I don't work much.

442
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:35,660
And I've got that big mural that was up the stairs, haven't I?

443
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:36,660
Yeah.

444
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:37,660
Yeah.

445
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:38,660
It's a weird feel.

446
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:39,660
Yeah.

447
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:42,660
It was weird because we slept in there that night.

448
00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:44,660
We spent the whole night there.

449
00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:48,660
And what did you do besides like, well, what did you end up doing?

450
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:55,660
Because I know you said you said EVPs, you said spirit boxes, but tell me, was there any other like experimental type stuff do you do?

451
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:57,660
Yeah.

452
00:58:57,660 --> 00:59:02,660
So one thing we do tend to do, and this is something slightly different.

453
00:59:02,660 --> 00:59:08,660
So if you're in a group of people, we get people to stand facing the wall, for example.

454
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:13,660
And we ask the spirits to go around and touch someone on the shoulder.

455
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:15,660
And we all know where we're positioned.

456
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:16,660
So we're not near each other.

457
00:59:16,660 --> 00:59:21,660
And then you sometimes get like spirits that will come up and physically touch you on the shoulder.

458
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:24,660
We ask for physical contact as well.

459
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:28,660
You know, we don't solely rely on equipment.

460
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:34,660
We try and do different things to, you know, do that.

461
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:41,660
You know, there's some experiments that we've tried that I look at and I think it's not for me.

462
00:59:41,660 --> 00:59:44,660
But a lot of it is based on your senses as well.

463
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:54,660
I do try and work more now with, you know, teaching myself how to see things, what to know is could be paranormal, what is not using your ears and things like that.

464
00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,660
I think the most important piece of equipment is yourself.

465
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:10,660
Dude, I tell you what, man, the older that I got and the more experience I get in this field, it has become 90 percent my senses and what I'm feeling in the environment, things I'm experiencing.

466
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:15,660
And 10 percent basically all scientific type equipment, you know what I mean?

467
01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:25,660
But the thing of the matter is, is like, obviously, you always got to make the environment controlled if you're doing an experiment, stuff like that, because you don't want anything to mess up like the EMS and the IR, all that stupid stuff.

468
01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:29,660
The thing is that like I kind of lost where I was going with this.

469
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:39,660
But the point I was trying to make, I think, was that I love how you guys are doing those type of experiments and stuff like turning your face towards the wall, doing stuff like that, using this equipment.

470
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:47,660
Because any new type of experiment that we can use, even that wall, like facing the wall and having a spirit touch you, that's using a sense.

471
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:53,660
You know what I mean? That's using feeling and to have an experience where you're actually asking it and then it happens.

472
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:58,660
The only problem, it's so hard to document for people to understand it.

473
01:00:58,660 --> 01:01:06,660
Do you know, it is hard to document because I think the field, unfortunately, is reliant on more technology based.

474
01:01:06,660 --> 01:01:10,660
You know, people need to, you know, people need to see it.

475
01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:15,660
And I think the problem is because there are so many fakers.

476
01:01:15,660 --> 01:01:17,660
Am I allowed to say that on the show?

477
01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:19,660
No, you can say fakers out there.

478
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:24,660
But because you've got so many fakers that claim to, oh, I've been taken over.

479
01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:35,660
Oh, this has happened to me. Suddenly, they're walking and suddenly they clapped, you know, and it's just so frustrating because sometimes you can have that physical connection.

480
01:01:35,660 --> 01:01:44,660
With a spirit where it puts people off telling other people because they're like, oh, I don't want to be branded as one of these fakers because there's so many of them.

481
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:56,660
But I think everyone in the paranormal field that are doing it the right way can hand on heart say they've had some kind of paranormal experience where they've been touched or, you know, I'll give you one example.

482
01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:59,660
If it's all right, I don't want to know.

483
01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:05,660
Please, we held an event at a place in Portsmouth again called Fort Whitley.

484
01:02:05,660 --> 01:02:11,660
And there was a gentleman and he was walking down the tunnel with me just before we start the investigation.

485
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:16,660
And he says, Look, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't believe in any of this.

486
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:19,660
And I was like, mate, do you know what? That's fine.

487
01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:23,660
I'm happy that you've come. You know, I'm happy that you're willing to participate.

488
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:29,660
You know, he was doing it more for his missus and his missus mother because they're really into it.

489
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:33,660
Anyway, so we stood in the tunnel and this is where the necrophonic comes into it.

490
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:38,660
Like I said, certain things have happened where it makes me think this could actually work.

491
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:41,660
So we stood and we started doing a call out.

492
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:47,660
Nothing was happening. And I was like, OK, let's put the person that I don't believe in anything into the room.

493
01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:54,660
You know, and I was like, you know, you don't believe in any of this.

494
01:02:54,660 --> 01:03:04,660
Nothing's going to happen. You know, anyway, so he stood in there and I was like, OK, can you tell me the person's name that's gone into the tunnel on his own?

495
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:11,660
He said his name clear as day. Right. OK. Could it be a coincidence? Maybe.

496
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:16,660
OK, fine. Let's go on. So we're like, OK, so you know who he is.

497
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:24,660
Can you tell us something about him? It said his partner's name and his sister's name, one after the other within seconds.

498
01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:28,660
Wow. So we don't have a clue what's going on.

499
01:03:28,660 --> 01:03:34,660
And then suddenly it's like, I'm here with you. And then we're like, OK, it's a sentence.

500
01:03:34,660 --> 01:03:40,660
I'm here with you. And then we said, I'm not going to say the guy's name because he does watch a lot of these podcasts.

501
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:47,660
And I said, you know, where it's personal, you've got to be mindful. But we looked over and go, do we do you know who this could be?

502
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:52,660
He goes, yeah, I think it is. But don't I'll go, do you want to give him his name?

503
01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:58,660
No, let's see what happens. Who is this? Is your dad? Is dad?

504
01:03:58,660 --> 01:04:06,660
And then I'll go, well, can you do something else like touch him or put and as I said it, he goes, something's just pulled my hair.

505
01:04:06,660 --> 01:04:11,660
Right. So we broke for, you know, like a bit of a tea break.

506
01:04:11,660 --> 01:04:17,660
He went back up to the hub area where we set up our, you know, refreshments and everything.

507
01:04:17,660 --> 01:04:24,660
And I kid you not, from a guy that said to me about an hour before, I don't believe in it, he was sat in the chair nearly in tears.

508
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:30,660
His partner and his mother had to cuddle him, you know, and you see the change.

509
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:37,660
He was not expecting it. And one of the last messages before we did break, he goes, you need to carry on with what you're doing.

510
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:41,660
And it comes out in a full sentence. And we said to him, do you understand anything that happened?

511
01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:50,660
He goes, I understand every message I just got. But the change in what he went through was, you know, phenomenal.

512
01:04:50,660 --> 01:04:54,660
And you can't be one. That's the reason why I do this work. Not to interrupt you.

513
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:58,660
But that was the reason why I do this work is because of that experience right there.

514
01:04:58,660 --> 01:05:04,660
Because somebody who probably would have never done anything like this, got dragged along, doesn't believe,

515
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:07,660
all of a sudden has the most amazing experience with one of their loved ones,

516
01:05:07,660 --> 01:05:11,660
especially somebody that they miss but aren't going to be open to you about it,

517
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:14,660
and then break down in front of you because they had an experience.

518
01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:21,660
And you know, that's the reason why I express this field so much and why I share videos of communication sessions and stuff.

519
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:27,660
Because when there's undeniable stuff like that, I can't say that we're communicating with a ghost

520
01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:30,660
that looks like a sheep floating in the middle of the air. You know what I'm saying?

521
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:38,660
I don't know what we're actually communicating with, but I do know that something is manipulating these devices

522
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:45,660
and communicating through them, saying personal things to us that it should not be saying,

523
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:49,660
along with swears that should not be on the loud on the radio.

524
01:05:49,660 --> 01:05:56,660
And that's what I love the most is when I get a swear like a F you or this from like an angry spirit or something at first,

525
01:05:56,660 --> 01:06:02,660
because right there through SB7, it's not going to come on the radio. You're not going to hear F you on the radio.

526
01:06:02,660 --> 01:06:06,660
You know what I mean? So how do you explain that? You know what I'm saying?

527
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:13,660
So it's unexplainable things like that. And I express it because there could be someone out there that I want them to go out and experience this,

528
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:17,660
even if it's not even in their wheelhouse, so they don't believe. Just go out and try it,

529
01:06:17,660 --> 01:06:20,660
because you could have the best experience your life like that guy did.

530
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:28,660
Yeah. And I think just to a lot of people that bash what we do, I've put it down to three reasons.

531
01:06:28,660 --> 01:06:36,660
One, they've got nothing better to do. They're in my opinion trolls. So, you know, go away and find something else to do.

532
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:42,660
Two, they haven't got the intelligence, the know how to do that, what we do themselves.

533
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:48,660
You know, so what they do, they try and beat other people down that are working hard and trying to, you know,

534
01:06:48,660 --> 01:06:53,660
show people what we can do in this field. And three, it's jealousy.

535
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:58,660
You know, one of the biggest thing, the green eyed monster comes out in a lot of people in different ways.

536
01:06:58,660 --> 01:07:05,660
And I think sometimes when it's paranormal investigators on paranormal investigators is because one side of it is not happy

537
01:07:05,660 --> 01:07:09,660
because one person might be doing a little bit better. But I think that's the big reason.

538
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:13,660
I think if you take a step back, no one's doing better than others.

539
01:07:13,660 --> 01:07:18,660
We're just doing it our own way and we're just putting some pieces together what we're finding.

540
01:07:18,660 --> 01:07:24,660
You know, Robin's done things which I think is great. He's done a series on the celebrity graves.

541
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:29,660
And I think that's great. You know, we're all doing different things and getting different evidence.

542
01:07:29,660 --> 01:07:35,660
Why do you get a bitch about it? Just because Robin's doing something that I haven't done, does that make any difference?

543
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:37,660
No, he's done something else.

544
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:48,660
I've often said, sorry, I've often said and this is a motto I have in this field, is that a lot of these people who we would call fakers,

545
01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:53,660
again, not going to mention names, but they are out there and we know who they are.

546
01:07:53,660 --> 01:08:01,660
And they may have 25,000 subscribers on their channel and I've got 550.

547
01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:14,660
But I'd rather go up slowly by using 100 percent real evidence than go up drastically fast, faking stuff.

548
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:21,660
You know, and one thing that I say sort of relates to that is these people that got the big YouTube channels

549
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:28,660
and all these subscribers and everything that we know have staged certain evidence, that's great for them.

550
01:08:28,660 --> 01:08:32,660
You're happy to go through your life deep down knowing that you're a liar.

551
01:08:32,660 --> 01:08:35,660
You're deceiving people. You know, you're deceiving people.

552
01:08:35,660 --> 01:08:40,660
You're making people believe something that's not true and disrespecting the locations and the history.

553
01:08:40,660 --> 01:08:43,660
If you're happy to go through life like that, then good on you.

554
01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:48,660
But I would rather live my life of, you know what, the evidence I present might be minimal,

555
01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:54,660
but at least I can say this is true. This is facts of what I've found.

556
01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:58,660
And I'll go to bed at night knowing that I've given people a true insight of what we do,

557
01:08:58,660 --> 01:09:03,660
because sometimes we go on a live and we sit there and nothing happens at all.

558
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:06,660
But we don't stop recording. We will continue recording.

559
01:09:06,660 --> 01:09:09,660
And now people watch us, you know, having a laugh.

560
01:09:09,660 --> 01:09:13,660
You know, me and Luke will start talking about something totally different, you know,

561
01:09:13,660 --> 01:09:19,660
because I don't believe that we should just film the good stuff.

562
01:09:19,660 --> 01:09:22,660
You know, it would be great to do it all the time.

563
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:28,660
But, you know, we need to show people that there are nights that we were sitting in the tunnel for six hours

564
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:34,660
and absolutely jack shit happens. But it's the truth.

565
01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:37,660
Well, hey, tell me, tell me what you're thinking.

566
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:42,660
Hold on, hold on. Hey, Nando, what do you think about this?

567
01:09:42,660 --> 01:09:46,660
Pamela, I completely, 100% agree with what you just said in the comments.

568
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:53,660
She says, yes, the more one investigates, the more likely one is to have a personal experience.

569
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:58,660
Also, I think one actually becomes more sensitive to the possibility of something happening.

570
01:09:58,660 --> 01:10:04,660
It's like one becomes more attuned to that other dimension, be it goats or whatever.

571
01:10:04,660 --> 01:10:08,660
And what's great about her saying that is I totally I have noticed that myself.

572
01:10:08,660 --> 01:10:12,660
My connection has grown. The more that I go to, you know, certain places or I go to, you know,

573
01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:18,660
so even cemeteries I love going to the real old ones like I become I became more attuned

574
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:22,660
and then adding meditation into that's helped a lot with my connection.

575
01:10:22,660 --> 01:10:27,660
I mean, do you do anything to further your connection?

576
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:31,660
You know, I'm always OK.

577
01:10:31,660 --> 01:10:36,660
So the way I go into I don't do this with her, but I always think about loved ones around me.

578
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:42,660
So I always make sure that the people that mean the most to me, you know, like I said,

579
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:48,660
my grandfather was is a big person to me because I, you know, growing up, I would go to a shop.

580
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:55,660
He owned an old antique shop, for example, and I would sort of get myself in the mindset of remembering those moments.

581
01:10:55,660 --> 01:11:01,660
And I think that helps me to remain grounded and, you know, not fear what I might be going into.

582
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:08,660
You know, so I'm you know, and I do use that before I do an investigation.

583
01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:12,660
As time's gone on, do I feel more connected to places and feel more things?

584
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:17,660
Yes, I think because you're opening yourself up in a way that you don't realize sometimes.

585
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:23,660
You know, I've gone in this not knowing how, like I said before, how in depth paranormal is, you know,

586
01:11:23,660 --> 01:11:27,660
and the kind of things. And I think the more experiments that we're doing, not just with equipment,

587
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:34,660
but using our own bodies, you're opening yourself up naturally to allow things to come to you.

588
01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:43,660
So I do think I've connected more with with spirits or with things to that.

589
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:48,660
And as I said, could be Karen, not saying it is, but could be.

590
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:52,660
But that's something for me to evidence and document and then, you know,

591
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:57,660
continue that journey and put it all together to say, well, this is what's happened from day one.

592
01:11:57,660 --> 01:12:03,660
And this is how it's gone throughout the journey. So I'm on to that.

593
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:09,660
God, Robin, you want to ask them because I'm going to keep going. If not, go ahead. Honestly, go ahead.

594
01:12:09,660 --> 01:12:15,660
All right. So my other question I wanted to ask was, so how do you document your evidence?

595
01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:21,660
Is it just by video? Do you write stuff down? Because for me, I have notebooks of stuff written down,

596
01:12:21,660 --> 01:12:26,660
like all types of stuff. I mean, I was even journaling sleep, like dreams and stuff for a while

597
01:12:26,660 --> 01:12:30,660
because I was having a lot of like premonitions and stuff that were coming true.

598
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:33,660
But how do you write down yours? I mean, how do you do yours?

599
01:12:33,660 --> 01:12:40,660
So it's a bit like what you do. So one of the biggest thing is having cameras set up at locations.

600
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:44,660
So we will have cameras set up at specific locations.

601
01:12:44,660 --> 01:12:49,660
And when we return to ones that we've been to before, you sort of get an understanding of which are the hot spots,

602
01:12:49,660 --> 01:12:56,660
shall we say, for things to happen, like equipment going off, tables being moved.

603
01:12:56,660 --> 01:13:03,660
So you set up cameras. And if something happens specific to a person or something to us, we write it all down.

604
01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:10,660
So at the end of the evening, we put it all together. So because I think we need because sometimes we separate into separate teams.

605
01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:13,660
We do different things and come together at the end of the evening.

606
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:19,660
We can say, well, Sarah did this in the barn, for example, and got this.

607
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:23,660
We had exactly the same thing, but we're in there at different times.

608
01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:26,660
So we do write down a lot of the stuff as well.

609
01:13:26,660 --> 01:13:33,660
Audio is a big thing. So we'll put in like EVP recorders out, you know, and then go through the EVP recording.

610
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:42,660
Because I think other thing people don't realize is how much work is that you've got to go through after the event or after the investigation.

611
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:51,660
Oh, I know. You know, because sometimes, especially with cameras, things can happen that you've not even seen until you've investigated it.

612
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:59,660
Do you know what I mean? And you can't even watch the footage once either because you're going to miss it, especially if there's eight hours on that footage.

613
01:13:59,660 --> 01:14:04,660
You're like, dude, you know, I noticed, too, man, but I went to Montana and I had like four cameras with me.

614
01:14:04,660 --> 01:14:11,660
I realized that like being there for like seven hours or nine hours or whatever it was, I had so much damn footage, dude,

615
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:14,660
the look through I was I am not even done yet. Like, you know what I mean?

616
01:14:14,660 --> 01:14:21,660
Like that's how much footage and I don't think people realize how much goes in, you know, goes into it and stuff like that.

617
01:14:21,660 --> 01:14:24,660
So, you know, it's great to talk about. It's a lot.

618
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:34,660
And we can be here all night and talk about different things is, you know, again, people need to realize there's a lot of stuff that is involved is not just put a camera up.

619
01:14:34,660 --> 01:14:41,660
I've caught some of you again. You've got to go back and think logically about everything that you do.

620
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:44,660
You know, you can't just put it down to paranormal.

621
01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:48,660
You've got to be careful because there's certain things like the floors.

622
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:52,660
It could be all flooring. It can creep. There's so many different things.

623
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:58,660
And I think sometimes people are too quick to say this is paranormal when actually there's a logical answer.

624
01:14:58,660 --> 01:15:01,660
And the same with us. Sometimes we get excited.

625
01:15:01,660 --> 01:15:15,660
But then you forget to think logically because you're in that moment and you're like, well, but then when you go back to it, you need to think and make sure that you're clear and well, I'll show you this.

626
01:15:15,660 --> 01:15:17,660
Right. So I'm going further.

627
01:15:17,660 --> 01:15:21,660
I got this. I got this as a gift one time. Right.

628
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:24,660
And I keep forgetting to use it all the time. No.

629
01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:28,660
Look at this.

630
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:35,660
I tell you what, those are great to have actually, because I used to have one myself and those actually have a lot of stuff in it.

631
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:39,660
Yeah, there's a lot. I tell you what, Nando, I just want to say it's great.

632
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:41,660
Thank you, Robin. Yeah, that's awesome. Hold on.

633
01:15:41,660 --> 01:15:44,660
Show it again, because I'm going to put you full screen.

634
01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:47,660
But no, the inside.

635
01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:53,660
And then the pages inside, you can mark down your location.

636
01:15:53,660 --> 01:15:59,660
So I'm going to put that somewhere there.

637
01:15:59,660 --> 01:16:04,660
What date you were there, all the stuff that happened.

638
01:16:04,660 --> 01:16:10,660
So anyone listening on Spotify, IR radio, any Google podcast, Amazon, all that kind of stuff.

639
01:16:10,660 --> 01:16:13,660
If you want to see what Robin just held up, just go to our Facebook.

640
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:15,660
You'll be able to see it on there.

641
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:18,660
It's called Paranormal Investigation Logbook.

642
01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:23,660
I'm sorry for rudely being interrupted by my UK best friend.

643
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:25,660
No, I'm just joking.

644
01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:29,660
Nobody cares about your handy dandy notebook, damn it.

645
01:16:29,660 --> 01:16:30,660
No, I'm just joking.

646
01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:37,660
But what I want to say was it's so good to hear someone, especially a team that's writing stuff down still, because I know a lot of people that don't do that.

647
01:16:37,660 --> 01:16:44,660
They'll more like type it or they'll type certain things, or they'll just have like a little notebook and then they'll transfer it over to something else.

648
01:16:44,660 --> 01:16:46,660
But I'm old school man with the paper stuff.

649
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:51,660
My dad always doing it, but I have to write stuff down because there's stuff that I'll forget if I don't.

650
01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:55,660
And it's like, I'll have notebooks of just stuff written places.

651
01:16:55,660 --> 01:16:56,660
It's bad.

652
01:16:56,660 --> 01:17:00,660
But I just want to say, man, thank you so much for coming on.

653
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:10,660
I do want to announce one thing, and that was in the new year, I was going to start doing like a couple of weeks of Paranormal Investigation classes.

654
01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:19,660
And I wanted to actually see, Nando, if you would join me in doing these free classes for people and maybe just give them some insight that we have.

655
01:17:19,660 --> 01:17:21,660
I mean, we're not like we said, nobody's experts.

656
01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:26,660
But I see a lot of people charging so much money to help these new people get into the field.

657
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:30,660
And I'd rather just do it for free, man, because it's simple.

658
01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:35,660
We can put equipment up that we use, explain the, you know, the technology behind it.

659
01:17:35,660 --> 01:17:39,660
And, you know, if people are interested, I'll be happy to take part in that.

660
01:17:39,660 --> 01:17:43,660
But again, one thing I would say is it's all opinion based.

661
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:45,660
You know, that's the thing.

662
01:17:45,660 --> 01:17:49,660
People, if they want to get into the paranormal, they need to do it for themselves.

663
01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:50,660
We've all done.

664
01:17:50,660 --> 01:17:56,660
You know, the only way that you're going to find out real evidence and how things work is by doing it your own way.

665
01:17:56,660 --> 01:17:57,660
Never try and beat someone else.

666
01:17:57,660 --> 01:17:58,660
Just be who you are.

667
01:17:58,660 --> 01:18:00,660
And that's the best way to investigate.

668
01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:02,660
And that's the way I would leave it on that.

669
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:04,660
I'm going to end it on that.

670
01:18:04,660 --> 01:18:08,660
But I tell you what, that was awesome as an ending right there.

671
01:18:08,660 --> 01:18:12,660
I don't even want to talk anymore, actually, because that just totally threw me off my game right there.

672
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:13,660
That was good.

673
01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:15,660
That was that was like a speech and a half right there.

674
01:18:15,660 --> 01:18:16,660
I like that.

675
01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:18,660
You've got a business, Nando.

676
01:18:18,660 --> 01:18:20,660
You've got a species.

677
01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:23,660
I can shut AJ up.

678
01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:24,660
Go on me.

679
01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:28,660
Seriously.

680
01:18:28,660 --> 01:18:30,660
But yeah, I just want to say thank you, man, so much for coming on.

681
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:37,660
But yeah, to all the people that are going to be doing in the new year and have Nando with me, we're going to do free classes for new people

682
01:18:37,660 --> 01:18:46,660
who want to get into this field, even spirit communication, show you like techniques that I use that I've helped others with and that work for me.

683
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:57,660
And we'll show evidence clips and we'll talk about the equipment and talk about logging and just doing real paranormal investigation work and stuff.

684
01:18:57,660 --> 01:19:00,660
So if you guys are interested, we're going to do that in the new year.

685
01:19:00,660 --> 01:19:01,660
It's going to be free.

686
01:19:01,660 --> 01:19:02,660
We're not charging nobody.

687
01:19:02,660 --> 01:19:08,660
There's too many people out there charging two hundred dollars for paranormal investigation classes, which is crazy.

688
01:19:08,660 --> 01:19:11,660
But we're always going to do classes for free with us.

689
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:16,660
I mean, it's like like Nando just said, it's everyone is on their own journey in this paranormal field.

690
01:19:16,660 --> 01:19:17,660
You have to be yourself.

691
01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:19,660
You have to do it for yourself.

692
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:20,660
No matter what.

693
01:19:20,660 --> 01:19:22,660
I mean, my evidence will never be your evidence.

694
01:19:22,660 --> 01:19:23,660
Your evidence will never be mine.

695
01:19:23,660 --> 01:19:24,660
Robbins will never be ours.

696
01:19:24,660 --> 01:19:27,660
You know, and that's just something that we have in this field.

697
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:31,660
But Nando, shout out where they can find you at.

698
01:19:31,660 --> 01:19:35,660
I'm going to put your full screen shout out everything and let them know what's up.

699
01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:40,660
So you can find us on www.portaltotheparanormal.co.uk.

700
01:19:40,660 --> 01:19:47,660
We are on Facebook, Portal to the Paranormal, Instagram again, and also on TikTok as well.

701
01:19:47,660 --> 01:19:51,660
So if you want to and we highlight a lot of our evidence on TikTok.

702
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:54,660
So if you want to head there and have a look, please feel free to.

703
01:19:54,660 --> 01:20:00,660
And if you ever want to reach out, if you ever got a question about the paranormal, again, feel free to reach out and we'll be happy to answer.

704
01:20:00,660 --> 01:20:02,660
Any questions that you may have.

705
01:20:02,660 --> 01:20:05,660
That is awesome, man.

706
01:20:05,660 --> 01:20:08,660
Well, Nando, man, again, for like the 15th time.

707
01:20:08,660 --> 01:20:10,660
Thank you so much for coming on, man.

708
01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:15,660
Everyone will be seeing Nando on as a guest time to time because he's just an awesome dude.

709
01:20:15,660 --> 01:20:17,660
And I love your family, man.

710
01:20:17,660 --> 01:20:19,660
I hope you have a Merry Christmas, my friend.

711
01:20:19,660 --> 01:20:24,660
And to all the viewers, Merry Christmas to you guys.

712
01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:27,660
If we don't see you before the holidays, hopefully we will, though.

713
01:20:27,660 --> 01:20:32,660
And he will be coming to your chimney, so everyone might fire.

714
01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:34,660
Nando, love you, my brother.

715
01:20:34,660 --> 01:20:36,660
I will see you. Thank you for having me on, guys.

716
01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:38,660
And thank you for all the questions from the audience as well.

717
01:20:38,660 --> 01:20:39,660
It's been great tonight.

718
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:44,660
Not a problem. Thanks, man. Bye. Take care.

719
01:20:44,660 --> 01:20:46,660
Wow, man. Awesome, dude. Awesome show, man.

720
01:20:46,660 --> 01:20:49,660
I had such a great time talking to Nando.

721
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:56,660
And, you know, from the couple of weeks ago when you were dealing with some things and I had him on, man, it was just awesome.

722
01:20:56,660 --> 01:20:59,660
Because he runs a podcast. He knows, you know, all that stuff.

723
01:20:59,660 --> 01:21:02,660
So he was asking questions that I never thought of.

724
01:21:02,660 --> 01:21:05,660
And just just very intelligent the way he looks at things.

725
01:21:05,660 --> 01:21:06,660
And I love that about Nando.

726
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:16,660
And that's why I think also why we guys, why we click so well, all of us, because we're learning from each and every one of us and everyone that comes on the show and Nando show and all this stuff.

727
01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:17,660
They all learn from each other.

728
01:21:17,660 --> 01:21:20,660
And I think that this was field has to be about right, man.

729
01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:25,660
You know, we have to work with each other because we only accomplish like a lot.

730
01:21:25,660 --> 01:21:31,660
If we work together, if not, this progress is going to be so small, like it's been for decades.

731
01:21:31,660 --> 01:21:34,660
I mean, yeah, there's been some leaps and bounds, but we need some giant stuff.

732
01:21:34,660 --> 01:21:41,660
We're still, you know, we need some clear communication, some clear stuff, some compound evidence that we can, you know, use.

733
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:42,660
And I think that we can do it.

734
01:21:42,660 --> 01:21:48,660
And I think that in the next few years, people start working together and it keeps going the way that it is with growth.

735
01:21:48,660 --> 01:21:51,660
I hope this field really becomes something in the scientific aspect.

736
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:59,660
Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're going to go through your life as an investigator, not one to communicate with anybody, you know,

737
01:21:59,660 --> 01:22:04,660
I'm wanting to go on your own and want to do things on your own and fake stuff and that.

738
01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:07,660
And it's just welcome to your own life of being a loner.

739
01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:09,660
No, you're right, man.

740
01:22:09,660 --> 01:22:18,660
And welcome to your life of being irrelevant, because these people who do that, you know, and you know, we talk to anybody.

741
01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:21,660
I don't mean that in a funny way. We talk to anybody.

742
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:24,660
We'll have the podcast. We can bring people on.

743
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:26,660
We can find out what they're like.

744
01:22:26,660 --> 01:22:29,660
Yes, come back to the very start of the podcast.

745
01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:31,660
We'll have an experience that wasn't very nice.

746
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:35,660
So, but this is the way this is where it goes.

747
01:22:35,660 --> 01:22:38,660
We only find these things out when we talk to people.

748
01:22:38,660 --> 01:22:45,660
And if you're not willing to work with people, if you're not willing to talk to people, if you think you're better than anybody else,

749
01:22:45,660 --> 01:22:48,660
you're living on the island of relevancy.

750
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:54,660
You know, a lot in this field gets caught up nowadays with fame and YouTube and stuff like that.

751
01:22:54,660 --> 01:23:02,660
And the only thing that one thing that I want to teach people, especially with this field, is just to know that it's got to be a personal journey.

752
01:23:02,660 --> 01:23:05,660
It's not a get rich quick. It's not a get famous.

753
01:23:05,660 --> 01:23:12,660
I mean, if you want to fix it by all means, or if you're looking for a TV show and you're all about entertainment, you don't care about this work at all.

754
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:23,660
I mean, then that's up to you. But I tell you what, the entities or whatever we talk to the spirits, whatever you want to call them, this energy,

755
01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:27,660
they will figure it out for themselves what to do with people that fake stuff.

756
01:23:27,660 --> 01:23:33,660
And I believe that a lot of people have certain bad experiences when they do mess with things they don't understand too much.

757
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:36,660
But anyway, man, this has been a great show.

758
01:23:36,660 --> 01:23:44,660
I want to leave with one thing and that is hi, I'm Jason. And this is my mom. Oh, my God.

759
01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:51,660
Hey, my name is a Jacob Paso. I am your host and founder of Talking with the Source.

760
01:23:51,660 --> 01:23:57,660
I'm here with my great friend is Robin from Habermas Paranormal and talking with the source.

761
01:23:57,660 --> 01:24:04,660
And you have watched another episode of Talking with the Source. See you again soon.

762
01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:31,660
Later.