1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,200 freaking awesome 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:42,000 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 3 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:12,000 What's going on everybody? AJ Capasso here from Coventry Circle Paranormal. I'm here with my friend. 4 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:21,000 It's Todd Silvia, Relatively Paranormal, Relatively Paranormal Equipment, and Wickedly Haunted on New Bedford Guide, and of course Talking With the Source. 5 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:32,000 And you guys are watching another episode. So Todd, today man, we got an awesome guest. It's going to be an absolute awesome thing just to get straight into it. 6 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 I'm hyped bro, I'm so excited. 7 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Alright, so how about this, you give them the intro man. Give them the intro. 8 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:59,000 So, if anybody knows me at all, I'm a massive fan of the show Most Haunted, which was filmed in the United Kingdom, and they went to the best, like, top of the line, holy grail locations in the country, places that were like hundreds to thousands of years old. 9 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:09,000 And they would investigate with very little equipment and just get like the most incredible evidence, get stuff thrown up. It was just absolutely crazy, the stuff that they used to encounter. 10 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:19,000 And it's actually a place that I one day will get to because I absolutely love the United Kingdom. Now, on every episode, they would have a psychic medium. 11 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:26,000 And for several seasons, our special guest today, Mr. Brian Shepherd, was one of those mediums. 12 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:46,000 And what he would do during the episodes is whatever spirits he was coming in contact with, he would draw out their, their picture and he's a phenomenal artist so you would get like, I want to say you would do like a charcoal type drawing, and it would give you a visual of the spirits that they were coming in contact with. 13 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000 And he did a fantastic job his readings were always on point. 14 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:57,000 I love the guy I'm so excited that he's on the show today. So excited. Let's bring it. 15 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Hey, guys. 16 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,000 Great. 17 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Yep, I'm good. You guys. 18 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Doing good. Listen, I'm fantastic, bro. I got Brian Shepherd on the show. I'm excited. Well, you know, it's not every day you know I get people excited. 19 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Maybe we should say again. 20 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:40,000 It's not just it's not even just the, the, the show that you were on it's it's where you live the locations like I'm jealous man I'm jealous you guys get to go to the most phenomenal locations in the world places with hundreds of thousands of years worth of history. 21 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:54,000 And you know we have some good places in America it's just it doesn't touch what what you guys have one day, one day I will get there. You just said it, I mean, Great Britain is a place with real history. 22 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Absolutely. Isn't it, I mean you haven't got to go far before you fall over something, you know, ancient. You go into London and goodness me I mean, look how many places you've got to to explore to visit. 23 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I mean it's incredible. Really, I'm so lucky really to. 24 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:25,000 You know I mean I live on the outskirts of London just on the edge of London. 25 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:41,000 And we do you know, not not for just the reasons we're talking about of course but I mean for leisure is a great place. It's one of the, I think anyway, I think it's one of the best if not the best city in the world for me. 26 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:48,000 And I love being various places, a good few places of course in the States. 27 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 And all over. 28 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 And I said I love it. I love being here. 29 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:59,000 And it's not even that you guys have Scotland Wales Island Island man which is where my family's from. 30 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:07,000 That's where my grandmother's side of the family's from. Well in actual fact I mean you've said that I've never, ever been to the Isle of Man. 31 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:18,000 I just recently come back from Ireland, from Kerry. Yeah, in Ireland and we spent a few days there in Kerry and went out to Cork. 32 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I have course been to, of course I've been to Scotland, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, etc. 33 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And worked there for both leisure and working for most on the most wanted show. 34 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:37,000 You guys would go all around. You guys would go everywhere. Wales, I've seen you guys go everywhere. 35 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:43,000 All over Wales, North Wales, South Wales, all over the place. 36 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,000 It never ends. The locations never end there. 37 00:05:46,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Yeah, yeah. And it's great because they're places which even I wouldn't necessarily have gone to had it not been for the investigations within the most haunted framework. 38 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Yeah, absolutely. You know, so I was lucky. I was lucky to do that. 39 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:22,000 And to go to, you know, Italy, etc. or whatever. I had to come to the US, for instance, doing the American leg, the most haunted, which was fabulous. 40 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:30,000 It was an awesome season. I saw that season too. It was fantastic. Doing the Stanley Hotel, for heaven sakes. 41 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:39,000 You guys went to Moundsville. You went to Waverley, right? Waverley. Oh, absolutely. 42 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:49,000 Have you been to Waverley? I haven't. Yeah, I haven't. It's on your list. It is. 43 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:55,000 It is. It's like top three in the United States. It's an amazing place. 44 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:06,000 If you're creative, if you're a perceptive person, it's an amazing place to be. I've never been anywhere quite like it, to be honest. 45 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:13,000 And then we are talking about the Great Britain, you know, the UK and everything that that has to offer. 46 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:24,000 But Waverley was such an airy place. It really was. It was so claustrophobic. Obviously a sanitarium. 47 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:30,000 But I mean, dare I say, you know, creepy as hell. 48 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:37,000 It's funny that you could use that the word claustrophobic would come into a place from the outside that looks so massive. 49 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:43,000 But on TV, from what I've seen, the rooms are small, the hallways are tight. And I could see where you would get that. 50 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:52,000 You know what, approaching it, it's this massive lump of a building full of, you know, eeriness and forbearing. 51 00:07:52,000 --> 00:08:00,000 But you get there and get inside. And that's been fair. I mean, we weren't there in the sunshine in the daytime. 52 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:12,000 It was at night and it was the creepiest of places. It really was. I mean, there was stuff strewn everywhere. 53 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:19,000 You know, it was like a set of a horror movie in a sense. Do you know what I mean? Like a set ready to go. 54 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:28,000 So you were kind of there anyway. But then to be in the dark, nobody, like nobody on that shoot wanted to be there on their own. 55 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:42,000 No one. It was you got that feeling. You could feel the past, the patients that were treated there and what they were being treated for. 56 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Claustrophobic, suffocation almost, you know, all these things were felt. Shadows, you know, rooting across a far part of a wall, you know, moving. 57 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:02,000 It was an incredible place. Now I want to ask you something. How does your gift work, Brian? 58 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Like, well, it works in the sense feel. It's a feeling. It's a perception. OK. 59 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:20,000 You know, we're talking about what I'm an artist. We're talking about being an being an artist. 60 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Being an artist is doing something you can see, is drawing something you can see in front of you. 61 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Yeah. Whether whether it's some life photographs or whatever, whatever, whatever. 62 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:39,000 It's drawing something that is visual. You can see it. It's not a problem to do it. 63 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:48,000 As long as you have the talent for drawing, you can do it. Drawing something that you can't see is a different ballgame. 64 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Oh, absolutely. That is a perception. 65 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:02,000 It's not a case of, you know what, I was at so and so and so and so. And, you know, I saw this person. 66 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,000 It's not it's not like that because you're using the word see and seeing seeing it is not. 67 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:21,000 It is a perception. And that's where concentration, being alone, being left to get on with it and explore one's own feelings comes into play. 68 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:31,000 You know, it really is what I wanted to ask him was you would draw the most detailed, fantastic, beautiful photos of the spirit energies. 69 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Are you seeing these details in your mind's eye from from what they're sending you like emotion wise or because they would be such fantastic drawings and it would really bring to life everything. 70 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Well, indeed, because it all works on on that psychic vibration. 71 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,000 That's where the concentration comes in. That's where being alone. 72 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:58,000 That's where not being surrounded with with with the litter of, you know, cameras or whatever, whatever. 73 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,000 They they need to be there. But some of those cameras were totally off set. 74 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:12,000 You know, they weren't being manned. So it was a case of being in a place on my own without the disturbances. 75 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:20,000 But as I say, what would amount to a television studio would would would mean. 76 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,000 So it is about concentration. It is about allowing those things to come through to you and come through. 77 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:35,000 They do not certainly not as strongly or every time. Far from it. 78 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:41,000 But there are instances when that did happen very much so. 79 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:58,000 And then you can get I think you can get a good visualization of a spirit, if you like, that inhabits that particular place at that particular time. 80 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,000 And that's the interesting thing. Where do these things come from? 81 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:11,000 You know, it where do they come from? Are they there all the time? Is it like a trigger? Could it could it be could it be released by anybody? 82 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,000 I don't know. To be honest, I want people say they can. 83 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:26,000 I think perhaps not. You know, I think suggestion is a big part of some people's seeing things, put it that way. 84 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Yeah, you know, if we suggest enough, you will your imagination comes into play. 85 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Oh, absolutely. You know, I mean, and also the whole thing with pareidolia, too, with us as paranormal investigators, we deal with paranormal, you know, pareidolia. 86 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 But I want to show the viewers what he was talking about about detail. 87 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,000 I have some just personal artistry that you do, which I want to talk about in a minute. 88 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:58,000 But I just want to show a couple of pictures here that you have up on your website of you that you've done. 89 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:06,000 They're absolutely astonishing. I mean, look at this. This is absolutely incredible. 90 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:13,000 Yeah, well, of course, you're talking about pictures that have been done because I'm standing in front of them. 91 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 You know, I know you have any of the drawings. 92 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:23,000 I was saying to the viewers, the detail that you were talking about, Todd, on the show, Most Haunted, 93 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:29,000 I'm sure like people can understand the detail of what you were talking about through the detail of those pictures right there. 94 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,000 Like that was just I mean, those pictures are amazing. You're an amazing artist. 95 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,000 And I actually have never got a chance to watch Most Haunted, believe it or not. 96 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 And I was telling everybody, like, really, are you serious? And I'm like, yes, actually, I haven't. 97 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:50,000 I was like, shockingly, I was like, I know a lot of the guys, obviously, now from doing this work. 98 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:58,000 I know Richard Felix. I know, obviously, Dr. I can't say his name, but Mr. O'Keefe. 99 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Oh, Kieran. Yeah. Yeah. 100 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,000 And I always say it wrong. I didn't want to butcher his name. 101 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,000 But I tell you what, great people, like just just some great people just like yourself. 102 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,000 And it's just amazing to see the work that you do. 103 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 You know, that's why I wanted to ask you about your gift. 104 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Is there now do you do readings for people outside of that work or do you only do it for like the TV show and for others? 105 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:31,000 No, no, no, no. I increasingly, to be honest with you, I increasingly don't do it. 106 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,000 But I am when I do. It's on a private level. 107 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:47,000 OK, I and that's it now. But then that's that's the state, you know, I'm getting older and there are certain things I do and don't want to do. 108 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Like like all of us, you know, I mean, I still I still paint every day. 109 00:14:51,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Yeah, every, every day. I mean, and I put things up on the website or Facebook or whatever, whatever. 110 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000 But I try investigations or readings or whatever. 111 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 I mean, that's now a very private thing. 112 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,000 So people come to me because they've heard of me and want to engage. 113 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:23,000 And if I think I can do something, then I then I would probably say, you know what, we'll we'll get that a shot. 114 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:29,000 I see what happens, you know, but I don't I'm not looking for it. 115 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Put it that way. OK, I know. I get it. 116 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:40,000 The only reason why I asked also was because we have a viewer that her name is Tracy Coleman and she asked, obviously, am I live? 117 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,000 And yes, we are live. And, you know, she lost him one very close to her. 118 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 And she wanted to know if we were doing a reading anything. 119 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,000 And I said, and I'm in, obviously, I didn't respond because, no, we're not doing any readings right now. 120 00:15:53,000 --> 00:16:00,000 But I just wanted to ask her to see if there's a way for her to contact you in any way to, you know, to have a reading. 121 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:05,000 So that's why I wanted to ask that question, maybe to put her at ease or, you know. 122 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm contactable, put it that way through my website. 123 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Yeah. Hello. 124 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Hey. 125 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,000 Okay, Brian. Okay, fine. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. 126 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Yeah, I won't I won't further that any more than to say. 127 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:38,000 I can and do, but it's very occasionally and it has to suit us both. 128 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:45,000 I have to feel that I can. But as I say, once again, I am contactable through my website. 129 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,000 Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. 130 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Robin, go ahead and ask a question because I know you've been waiting. 131 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 No, I just I was going to ask. I didn't really hear that much in the car and away home. 132 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000 So I was going to probably already be asked this question. 133 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:09,000 But are you still doing medium work or? Yeah, I think that's what we were just trying to talk about. 134 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Oh, right. Right. Right. Now on a very personal level, if people come to me with with a good suggestion and it interests me at that time. 135 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:28,000 And yes, I'm not going to strike it out of the question, but I'm not actually I'm not actually targeting for work. 136 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:34,000 I'm not actually looking. Okay. I'm not promoting myself in any way. 137 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:48,000 What I'm saying is I'm here. I am contactable. Some things interest me and I think I can I think I can be elemental and in an investigation. 138 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,000 And it's worth an investigation. Or frankly, it's not. So, you know, as it's really. 139 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Well, try this one, man. Where was your favorite place in the UK that you that you were with? Let's say with most haunted, for instance. 140 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:13,000 I don't know. I mean, obviously, there were lots. I think the place I not the favorite. 141 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:22,000 I don't feel sort of like less favorite. I'll say something like Chislerhurst Caves was my least perhaps thinking about it. 142 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:47,000 And it always leaves a mark on my memory because for a sort of I hate enclosed cave systems and to be taken, if you like, up some back of the yore maze and left there in the darkness with maybe just a torch and a piece of a pad on my knee. 143 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:59,000 And then, of course, your imagination kicks in to some extent. And then, you know, I kind of I didn't feel good about that. 144 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,000 But that is because I don't like underground cave systems. Really. Yeah. 145 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:30,000 There were a number of places. I mean, you know, Croxteth Hall and Liverpool are all good places. I mean, with real substance there, if you like, you know, and as I say, a lot of those places were really good, especially as I say, if I could be left to get on with it, left alone more. 146 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,000 But some of these places I'd get to earlier in the day, you know, like in any afternoon of a filming which took place at night. 147 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:47,000 So then I could go back and kind of pick up what I felt that afternoon, because that afternoon, I could also I was the only one in the building. 148 00:19:47,000 --> 00:20:02,000 And, you know, obviously, if they were filming a pre-recorded television episode, then it's necessary to have cameramen and lighting and your sound people. 149 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And it's, you know, it's pushing it a bit. 150 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:24,000 So that's why I'd always approach it from the point of view of being able to access slightly earlier in the day. And, you know what, just seeing what's there, basically, you know, and letting that come across, if indeed there were anything. 151 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Yeah, because I think there's one place in the UK that I haven't been to yet that I want to go to and I think you were there was Wootchester Mansion. 152 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:41,000 Oh, yeah, really? Yeah, I was. Why do you feel the way you do? 153 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:54,000 I'm just drawn to it. I'm not a medium by any sense, but I'm a sensitive and I can see and I can hear and I can communicate, not all the time, but sometimes. 154 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:02,000 But, you know, I mean, I've been to 30 East Drive three times, but Wootchester Mansion is just calling me. 155 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Really? Well, I can say that I'm not going to spoil it for you or whatever and I'm not going to make any great claims either, which would be totally unfair. 156 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Check it out. 157 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:30,000 I know what he's talking about. I'm not sensitive either and I feel drawn to the Sallie house in the United States for some odd reason, but I think it might be for something nefarious on a demonic level, to be honest with you, but it would be a long story. 158 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Yeah, yeah. 159 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000 Now I want to ask a question of. 160 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:46,000 So, from your standpoint, because we capture my wife and I, we go alone. It's just her and I on investigations. We do do like a local show, but we don't have camera people. 161 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:59,000 We use static cameras. It's just me and her in a location. We won't go there unless we can rent it privately, because like you were saying we want the piece to be able to do what we're doing without outside interference without outside distractions and we feel like the spirits 162 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:10,000 approach us more because we're by ourselves. We've captured images and heard voices from other things that whether you want to come demonic whether you want to call them interdimensional beings. 163 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:23,000 I don't know some of these things look like animals. Do you sense it and see any of these things in your mind diet some of these locations where thousands of people may be tortured in a castle dungeon or that these things really get drawn in there. 164 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Oh, I mean, what can I tell you. Oh, we definitely straight up for me not just definitely yeah I've been in castles and things like that. 165 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:38,000 And for sure let me let's backtrack. Think about when you think about the sense of history alone. 166 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Yeah, we're all aware of that. I mean if you go to some, if you go to a castle for instance or whatever you know with dungeons chambers. 167 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,000 You know to some extent what the history is. Yeah. 168 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:04,000 So you're so so you've got a bit of a sketch anyway to go on. But if you're there on your own and you can do it in that purest way by being alone in those places. 169 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Oh yeah, I mean I felt amazing things. Amazing. I mean, even screams, people, the anguish that they must have suffered do you know what I'm saying. 170 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:25,000 What type of effect is like that you guys have so many layers of history like you might have a castle that was built on top of an old Roman compound from back then on top of this. 171 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:31,000 How does that affect your gift in the way you sense these things when you have all these layers kind of interacting with each other. 172 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Do you know what the way I used to think about it. It's like, it's like the players, almost like the layers of an onion if you like. 173 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,000 There's another underneath it you feel off that there's something under that. 174 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:56,000 And you, you really get those come through. Sometimes it could be from, I don't know, near Roman times. Yeah, absolutely. 175 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 And yet, and yet you know that you know history what it is. 176 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:09,000 You can come right up through to Victorian times, or whatever whatever whatever you know, and you do get those feelings from various points in the past. 177 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Some deep, some not so deep. I think it depends upon the trauma at that time, the trauma that those spirits were going through. 178 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 Oh God, some of the horrible things that used to happen. 179 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:34,000 In death or in torture, or whatever, the way they died has bearing on how strong that essence is now, and the way you perceive it. 180 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,000 Yeah, it's like energy is being released again. 181 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Well indeed, as I say there's an intensity to it, you know, and there are different intensities, depending on the way people died. 182 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:52,000 The way they were treated before they died, the anguish they went through before they died. 183 00:24:52,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Now I used to find that, oh go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Oh no sorry I just wanted to ask what was your like, scariest moment out of the whole, and to say I would just say out of not not just the whole show but just out of whole of life doing this work. 184 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,000 What has been your scariest moment. 185 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000 My scariest moment. 186 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:25,000 I don't know I mean I've been, as I say, you know, if you want me to sort of say, if I went back to, if I go back to America, for instance, and think about the West Virginia Penitentiary. 187 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000 Yeah. 188 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:44,000 I got some really, there were times when I was really scared for God's sake, because that place must have been inhabited, and I don't know too much about it, I obviously know it was a prison or the rest of it, you know violent prisoners there. 189 00:25:44,000 --> 00:26:08,000 But I really did feel at one point threatened by a place threatened by a present by the presence of a spirit, which was intent on this year, frankly, on, on, you know, yeah, just that on this year, quite frankly, I mean I had locked, I approached a door there. 190 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:18,000 At one point, I had been sealed, or I jammed for years, and I hadn't bothered to free it freed itself upon touching it. 191 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000 And the bolt slid back. 192 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:30,000 That's course an electric chair there, which says, they tell you that the big mound out in front of it is an Indian burial mound. 193 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000 And you get that. Yeah, you're being there. 194 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,000 The big mound out in front it's actually an Indian burial mound. 195 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 That's right. That's right. That's right. 196 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Yeah, that's, that's correct. And a lot of nasty stuff happened there. Did you go on the sugar jack. No. 197 00:26:46,000 --> 00:27:04,000 It was like a wreck place but a lot of murders and like rapes would happen down there was a horrific place. So you see, and you see what that must have meant in terms of the intensity of, of, of, you know, a spirit, if you like, coming through at any given time. 198 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:18,000 I mean, some will come through fast, some will come, you know, slower than others, some not as clear as others. But you just know that this, this place is going to offer up so much, it's not true. 199 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:37,000 I just wanted to ask, like going back to the history like you guys have so much history there. My wife and I have a theory that the longer human is in spirit form after death, the better they can learn how to manipulate the physical world that we inhabit, like between the veil in their world. 200 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Is that true like kind of like a piano player they start off they can play chopsticks. Eventually they're playing with an orchestra on a concerto is a spirit like that with a longer they're in that form without a body the them, because you guys used to get the most intense activity. 201 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:02,000 Yeah, that's the reason why. Yeah, yeah, I think it's, I think it's a lot to do with the, obviously it's a lot to do with the person. 202 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:23,000 You know back way back in history, the person that was whether they, and after death, after life, depending on what sort of person they were is reflects their ability to manipulate to manipulate the living. 203 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Yeah, I mean, it's fairly obvious. Yeah, you know we're investigators if you like. We're there, we're there to do just that we're there to tap that source. 204 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:40,000 You know, and by doing so, we don't all together. 205 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,000 You don't necessarily know how that's going to come across. 206 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Now we open ourselves up. Yeah. And sometimes that it's, it's not the greatest idea is chance. 207 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:05,000 You're allowing yourself to be, you know, taken over in inhabited manipulated by whatever's there. 208 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Yeah. 209 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,000 That's not that that's not good at all. 210 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:23,000 It's, it's just that you're taking a chance, you know, really, by, I mean it's actually playing around with these things don't forget, it's not necessarily them who are posing themselves on us. 211 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000 We went looking in the first place we are looking. 212 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,000 And in there is that certain element, you know. 213 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Yep, yep, absolutely. 214 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:40,000 We talk about that all the time on this show how people don't realize what they're messing with. No, they don't do a lot of research they go out there thinking it's a joke. 215 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, it's not. It's not a joke because it's not a joke. These, you're talking about history talking about living people at one time, you know now now deceased of course and for many many many years decay, you know, decades or whatever 216 00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:08,000 hundreds of years, but what you're dealing with. We don't know exactly what you're dealing with, you know, murderers or whatever, that time, who would do anything, you know to destroy another person. 217 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000 You know, dealing with you do not know what you're learning out of the cage at times. 218 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:27,000 Yeah, and then the fact that we can't see these things, and the demonic or these evil entities do come out as a psychic. Are you able to discern better like I'm the least sensitive person, the more I do this work, the more sensitive I become in a way. 219 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:42,000 But I still I wouldn't know if I had a demonic entity was lying through me through my spirit box, or it was a human person as a psychic Are you able to more easily discern the difference and would know that that's not a person you're talking to that's a demon. 220 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:50,000 You would know, eventually, if it were to be a person with demonic intentions. 221 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Does that make sense. You say a demon. I mean, what's the demon the demons just the tag we put on something. 222 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:10,000 It would be, it would be a person in every case, but really, as I said, demonic intentions, evil intentions dark intentions. 223 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,000 That's of course not always the case with the spirit world. 224 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Yeah, we spoke about this last week. 225 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:30,000 Go ahead, go ahead. Oh, sorry, the thing I was gonna say Todd you know how crazy that is because remember my medium data did a reading for you for that house. 226 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:45,000 And he just said exactly what, what we said, but well actually not what we said but what she said she said that you know it was a lady who was suffering from dementia, like like someone some mental illness was waiting for a daughter, and she was getting mad 227 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:59,000 and upset and scared because there was people in the house, you know, and, you know, in her territory and she didn't understand why and she was waiting for like her daughter or something, and all this stuff and it's crazy because they thought it was a demon, they thought a demon was in the 228 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:06,000 house because it the way that it was lashing out and stuff like that and it's just weird. It's not me the client said I never felt anything like that. 229 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:23,000 I know not you the client. But I'm saying what, what if though now, what if he's right to you know what I'm saying and it's like, what if, you know, this whole time we're putting that label on demons, and it's really just another person in life that was, you know, say, had ill 230 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:37,000 intentions, had demonic intentions. Well it's like what I told you about with the bully spirit we find that there are spirits that will bully other spirits and tell them they're demons and kind of make them mess with us or lie to us or whatever. 231 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:48,000 And it's just a human spirit being an asshole for lack of a better word, and lying to other spirits and saying oh I'm demonic or whatever. And they're just being a bully like they were in life, bullying death bullying life. 232 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:59,000 Exactly, exactly that. Exactly that. I mean you've just modernized the whole thing by using words like asshole or whatever but having said that, no no no no it's fine it's fine. 233 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:09,000 If you go back, back, back, back in time, they were assholes. But, you know, they were people who had bad intentions. 234 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Yeah, we would do anything for their own ends. Yeah, there's no doubt. 235 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Oh, sorry. Oh, there we go. Anyway, what I was gonna say was it's just a weird, like, synchronicity to me that Todd that's all I was trying to get to you know what I mean and that that because we just had this discussion and I was like, why am I why would she be 236 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:50,000 getting that and then the customer was getting something else like the client was getting something different and then he just said a synchronicity to what she said so that's the only reason why I brought it up you know because I as an investigator like I have to, you know, get a bunch of different 237 00:33:50,000 --> 00:34:00,000 signs I just don't trust my sensitive ability to, you know, do it and I should but thank you for bringing that up because that just like totally triggered something in my mind. 238 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:18,000 What it comes down to Brian is my wife and I lived through a very negative and nasty haunting for like four years. Right. And it became an obsession really to kind of find answers as to what happened to us what really were we dealing with and over time, do a lot of research I read a lot of books I try to take everybody's 239 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:34,000 viewpoints into account and we come up with theories and then we try to figure out what's what and hopefully we're being told the truth by the spirit world but we know that's not always the case but it seems like the more answers we get the more questions we have because it seems to be getting 240 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,000 weirder as we go along. 241 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:43,000 So, that's why I was asking those questions you know like, yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely and I totally I totally understand that. 242 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:57,000 And we say a couple years ago we started helping out families who haven't done research who don't do this who are being affected the way we were. And we're just at least trying to give them the validation that they're not crazy or help them anyway we can. 243 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,000 So that's why I like the more I can learn, the better I can help myself. 244 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Absolutely, absolutely. But you know everything we talk about you know it originally. Let's be fair, we're not talking about myth, we're talking about things that came from life. 245 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:31,000 On this earth like we do now, you know, and as I say there were good people obviously lots of good people around. I like to think most people are. But there are people who think what, you know, why would they do that. They are just inherently evil. 246 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:48,000 I mean, modern day things we see every day on TV, you know, but back yourself back as I say back back back in history, they were there. Those people who had evil intentions to other people, and would do anything they could to destroy other people murder other people 247 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:57,000 or whatever for gain or whatever, to take over their soul, maybe even, you know, that they're demons. 248 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:10,000 I have a viewer question the viewer question is do you think spirits stay as they are when they passed, or after time can a spirit become insane or evil. 249 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:31,000 I think I think I think the intensity of one spirit could wax and Wayne over time, put it that way. I don't think one could become mad and evil necessarily I think that's too. 250 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:41,000 The reference is too black and white for me, you know, as I say I think there's an intensity about some spirit, or there isn't. 251 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:59,000 And most spirits a lot of spirits want to be back here with us communicating for most innocent maybe have reasons. There are things that that they want to tie up there are things that they've got left behind if you like. 252 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:07,000 But there are spirit, there are spirit world, there are spirits out there that are definitely dark. 253 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,000 And, and I've stayed that way over time. 254 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:22,000 And they're the ones, they're the ones to look out for, you know, that's where, you know, opening. It's like opening a can of worms internet. Let's have a look what's inside. 255 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:35,000 That's great. You know, we can do that for us, but but sometimes we open one, and we wish we hadn't. Yeah, because of the threat that it poses to the life that we live now they're living us ourselves. 256 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,000 You and your wife be going through. 257 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:53,000 Not you and your wife going through this period when you felt threatened and went for a very difficult time to suggest that very thing. You know there are elements out there, which haven't changed over time. 258 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:59,000 You know, maybe, maybe, maybe through intensity, we can call it darker, they become darker. 259 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000 Yeah, there on that on, you know, 260 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,000 we must respect that and be very, very careful the way we tread. 261 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:18,000 But by opening ourselves up is the only way to access that that if you like the spirit world. 262 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,000 And by doing so as I say there is there is a certain amount of danger involved. 263 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,000 Yeah, we don't always like what we find doing. 264 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:38,000 No, no, no, I've been threatened. My wife's been threatened horrible things said to us. Well, they are raping her killing me like things horrible things that you do not want to hear when you're reviewing evidence, believe me. 265 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I totally get that. 266 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:50,000 You know, by the same token I've had spirits that broke my heart listening to him in review, you know, things I didn't hear live that were heartbreaking. 267 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:59,000 Abby Borden, you know, she's been stuck here for a hundred something years and every night of the week people come in and ask her about the murder that she lived through. 268 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:08,000 And in the house, the Borden house, there's axes, there's reproductions of their skulls bashed in, there's autopsy pictures on the dining room table. 269 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,000 And these spirits are Roman pastors every day. And then people come in every night and ask the same questions. 270 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,000 Where's Lizzie? Is Lizzie here? Did Lizzie kill you? This that she broke my heart because she was like, 271 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,000 I'm so sick of this. You know, I just want to move on. I'm done with it. 272 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:29,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that's to say, that's very it's very interesting. 273 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:40,000 But that's a very known historic case, put it that way. You know, that's there are lots of others aren't as well known, but probably equally horrific. 274 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:54,000 No, yeah, no doubt. Yeah. And also, so even in our modern times, you know, we hear about these dreadful, dreadful things that people do, you know, on a almost daily basis. 275 00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:02,000 And we're never less than shocked by it. So it's as I say, it's not that surprising, is it? 276 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:10,000 That, you know, if we start to look into the into the afterlife, into the past, that they're all there. 277 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Some are very well known cases and some are, you know, have almost been commercialized, if you like, 278 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,000 and that lots of people have gone there to check it out and have wondered about it and have been amazed by it. 279 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:36,000 But quite frankly, you know, sometimes I wonder, you know, isn't there enough happening now to worry about as opposed to worry about the past? 280 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:44,000 But but certainly the past is still very relevant. It's relevant to the, you know, us and living day. 281 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:57,000 But and also it can also still pose a threat. And that threat is a danger if we don't know how to deal with that danger. 282 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,000 Yeah, it's a lot of them are very sad and miserable for sure being stuck here. 283 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000 Yeah, it definitely would. It definitely would. 284 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,000 Are you able to help these spirits move on at all? 285 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:17,000 There we I think we've touched upon that natural fact in some of the. 286 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:27,000 Perhaps we did in some of the most haunted shows, I just try to think whether we did a lot or whether it's something that when, if you like, the cameras had stopped rolling, 287 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:33,000 we would try and do our best to put it that way. But yes, I have. 288 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Where do you believe they go when they move on just out of curiosity? I'm not even talking from a religious standpoint. 289 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000 I'm talking from a practical standpoint. 290 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:49,000 Well, I believe I believe they shift themselves. I believe they they're at peace, basically. 291 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:56,000 I think every spirit should be at peace, you know, and I believe they if we can help. 292 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,000 Yeah, learn to find peace. To find peace. 293 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000 It seems like that's what they are really looking for is peace, honestly. 294 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000 Well, yeah, yeah. 295 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Yeah, but as I say, if we're talking about those other darker spirits. 296 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,000 No, yeah. I feel that then, of course, they're still reaching out to us. 297 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:24,000 You know, they're still reaching across and in the middle of it, you know, in the way. 298 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000 And the dangerous. And that's right. 299 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:38,000 That goes into that goes into the question I was actually going to ask because Tracy Coleman asked, you know, her parents, you know, she just had a someone passing her life. 300 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,000 And she said, do you believe that they're together? Her parents, they were they were together for 62 years. 301 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:49,000 Do you believe that they're that her parents are together? And I think so. I totally believe so. 302 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,000 And I know after what you just touched on. Yes, absolutely. Like they're reaching on from the other side. 303 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000 She'll probably get a sign and, you know, keep eyes open. 304 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:08,000 So well, it's I mean, in a nutshell, I suppose it's it's it's what I believe. 305 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,000 I believe that as well. Yeah, I believe that as well. 306 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000 And once they pass on, they can actually come back and interact with us or look in on us. 307 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,000 Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. 308 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Definitely. I do believe that. 309 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,000 I saw my grandfather's spirit when I was like nine years old. 310 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,000 He passed in his sleep in his bed. 311 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000 And I was playing with my cars near that room. I looked up and he was standing there peacefully. 312 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,000 It looked like he was looking over me in a lovely way. 313 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 And he kind of dissolved the way in front of me. 314 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,000 And for up until the actual hunting we lived through happened, I thought that I imagined it. 315 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000 Now I know I didn't that that actually happened. 316 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:54,000 And I don't know whether he's stuck in that home or if he's was just looking in on me from another place. 317 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000 He didn't look tortured or anything. Look like he was just saying hi. 318 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000 To be honest with you. Yeah. Didn't scare me. 319 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:10,000 Which was exactly the same thing with me and my grandmother, who in the latter days of her life was actually living with us as a family. 320 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,000 And she passed away in the house. 321 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:26,000 And one night I was lying in bed and I woke and she was seemingly, I'm going to say seemingly, in the doorway. 322 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:31,000 And she didn't look anguished or tortured in any way. 323 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:43,000 But it came across to me that she was there to give me something to, you know, reach across if you like from the squirrel. 324 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,000 And she just passed. 325 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:53,000 And give me something. Give me some knowledge or whatever, you know, and I'll remember it to this day. 326 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,000 I was startled and a little bit fearful, but she was there. 327 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,000 She was doing nothing other than standing there. 328 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,000 And I feel she did impart some things to me. 329 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,000 So, yes, I totally agree with you. That can happen. 330 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,000 I don't think I even had time to be scared. It was just like he'd been so newly passed. 331 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000 I think at first I thought he was lying and still standing there because it had only been like a couple of months, if even. 332 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000 Exactly. Yes, exactly. 333 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,000 Yeah, I've had experiences. So like that's why now I believe. 334 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,000 But, you know, it's just the investigator in me wants to also challenge everything. 335 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,000 But even though that, I know in my heart that it's happened. 336 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:42,000 You know, my father passed away recently to Todd, like I've had sudden I've had things that's happened like how your grandfather like that. 337 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,000 It's just like, oh, man, it's crazy. It's crazy when you have these experiences like I have them. 338 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,000 I have them a lot with my father. 339 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000 And it's just amazing when you have one of these experiences. 340 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,000 And I believe that they do happen for everybody. It's a matter of do we look at the little signs, you know? 341 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you say experiences with your your father, your particular father, do you mean since his passing or while he was alive? 342 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,000 I'm saying when he passed after he passed, I said I have experiences with him and stuff like that. 343 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:24,000 And it's just, you know, it's amazing to have those experiences with the with the afterlife and. 344 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,000 Yeah. And did you feel that he imparted anything to you that you gained anything from that? 345 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,000 I do every single time. And I believe that he's like warning me about certain things that are coming in. 346 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:43,000 Like he's warning me about like this car accident I just had and I didn't listen and I feel like I saw it and I just didn't. 347 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,000 I just didn't listen. I still went against it for some reason. 348 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:54,000 There's like certain things he'll show like randomly from weeks and weeks and weeks. It's crazy. 349 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,000 Yeah, yeah. 350 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,000 It's not just interesting. That's all I. 351 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,000 Oh, no, no, I completely fascinating. I love this type of stuff. 352 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:12,000 And I love to look at this stuff in like the most scientific way possible with energy and vibration, frequency, all this type of stuff. 353 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:18,000 And I try to use that into my investigations and stuff to try and say, you know, 354 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:28,000 because I do believe, you know, that someone like obviously your father and that's why you sound as though you're very close to your father while he was living. 355 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:51,000 That he and I think this I think spirits will do this. They will reach across and it won't be long after their parting. But like your father and like my grandmother, they want to reach across to give us something to impart something that makes our lives different and hopefully better. 356 00:47:51,000 --> 00:48:00,000 Gives us a special knowledge. I think my grandmother, my grandmother was also a psychic. Now, I didn't say that before. She was also a psychic. 357 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:07,000 Now, whether she reached across knowing that I was susceptible to the same thing, I do not know. 358 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:19,000 But it now feels in hindsight that indeed that's what happened. So she was imparting something that she had and was very good at to me, even though, frankly, 359 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:29,000 AJ, at that time I was not wanting to be that receptive because I think I was 16 or something. 360 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:41,000 And, you know, having a psychic ability was probably the last thing on my mind at the time. You know, I was much more interested in more worldly pursuits. 361 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:55,000 I can elaborate on that, but I'm sure we all being guides, you know, I'm talking about. And having a good time, you know, and all the rest of it. 362 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:05,000 But nevertheless, nevertheless, I firmly believe that at that time she reached across to impart something that was important to her. 363 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:15,000 She also wanted to make sure that I was OK. That would be a long story. You just have to accept what I'm saying here that I was OK at that time. 364 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:21,000 Well, it means something that I indeed now have. 365 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:29,000 Yeah. Well, can I just say one thing that just really struck me? You said about your grandmother that she really wanted to make sure you were OK. 366 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:36,000 My grandmother and I were extremely close. She was like a second mother to me. She lived in a nursing home with Alzheimer's. 367 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,000 And even though she slowly went downhill, even at the end when like her mind was almost completely gone, I would still walk in the room. 368 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:49,000 And even though she didn't know my name anymore, she knew who I was every time like that, every time she knew how she would say something to me. 369 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:54,000 Like she asked me if I had a girlfriend from the time I was like five years old, she would say that to me. 370 00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:01,000 Do you have a girlfriend yet? I knew that she knew who I was when she was at death's door. 371 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,000 I had gone home to eat and my mother called me up and said, hey, I don't think your grandmother's going to last. 372 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000 You might want to get back here. So I came back and my grandma always worried about me. 373 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,000 I was going through a bad time and I whispered into her. I said, Grandma, I promise you I'll be OK. 374 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,000 Yeah. And she she passed like five seconds later. I like I turned around and she passed. 375 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:26,000 I almost felt like her energy lift up. It was like really probably the first or the second parallel experience I ever had just because I could feel the leave somehow. 376 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:35,000 The room felt empty after. And it just really struck me that you said that because that I believe that's one thing that held her there while I was racing back there. 377 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000 Whatever you want to call it. And now my life is OK. 378 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:49,000 I got past that time and I almost feel like I'm glad I did even just for her wherever she is, if she's watching somewhere, you know, if I kept my promise. 379 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it did. I was just saying that is something that stuck with me. 380 00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:01,000 I was just saying about 16 then, you know, since so all my life, really. 381 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:13,000 But it's competent. It always comforted me to know that she needed to reach across and impart something to me that she considered to be hugely important. 382 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:20,000 In other words, from the spirit world to do enhance my life in some way. 383 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:29,000 And I feel comforted by that. Yeah, I do, too. I do, too. I completely agree. I totally do. I completely understand what you're saying. 384 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:40,000 Yeah, yeah. So you see, you know, how deep my belief is in in the spirit world, if you like, in the hereafter. 385 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:45,000 It's not just, oh, well, you know, having a good time. We're alive. We're alive. We're dead. 386 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:54,000 You know, there's something important to learn from those from those past lives if we could tap into it in the right way. 387 00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:05,000 And I'm not just I'm especially not talking about my grandmother, but certainly during investigations, whether that be privately or doing things for both haunted or whatever. 388 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:12,000 The interesting thing is, what can I learn from the spirit world? Yeah. 389 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:25,000 What can I learn? A, how can I access it? And what can I learn without it being some kind of in any way danger to me or anybody else? Yeah. No. 390 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:36,000 Do you think that would? I'm sorry. I'll approach completely because that's the exact thing that I always constantly think to myself, like to myself. 391 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:45,000 Like I want to I want to I want to hear think about all this stuff in a deeper way. I want to think about it in a way that's deep where I can explain to people easily. 392 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:55,000 But it's still in a deep way where they'll be like, wow, this makes you know, like so I completely understand what you were saying the way that you do get it. 393 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:01,000 And I just like hearing stuff that when people are like that, they really take this to a whole new level because it is fascinating. 394 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:12,000 It's completely fascinating. We're getting responses through these devices. We're getting responses that are like complete sentences in some cases on a device that should not be able to do it. 395 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:20,000 I mean, you're getting able to get what you get. It's just absolutely fascinating. Right. But it's but in a way, it's the same kind of thing. 396 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:35,000 It's just the way we interpret it. You know what I'm saying? It's either coming into our brain as a message in that you can recall what they're saying in a sentence or part sentence. 397 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:51,000 I decipher it not only as that but as a visual. Yeah. So that's that's the only difference. Really. It's basically the same thing or receiving information from from the past from the dead from the spirit world. 398 00:53:51,000 --> 00:54:00,000 And that's the thing. And that's what we're all looking for, because in many ways it can enhance the lives of the living. 399 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:18,000 Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree. Through a better understanding. It's like history. If we read enough history books, we have a fundamental understanding of history, whether that be Tudor, Victorian, whatever, whatever, you know. 400 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:37,000 I don't know. But as I say, if we can actually approach and make contact with the spirit world. Yeah, you know, we've got that purity. It's coming straight into us. We're receiving that firsthand. 401 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000 You know, we're getting information. 402 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:54,000 It's what we do with them. Now, do we. And you know we all see shows on TV, or whatever, you know, and some of looks completely 403 00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:13,000 fucked up, frankly and funny. And I'm thinking, why, you know, why am I watching this? It's just ridiculous. Yeah, that's for fact, there is a real chance out there to do something or to receive something that is valuable to us. 404 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:25,000 It's like what our grandparents or whatever can give us while they're living. If you're lucky to have a grandparent of, I don't know, 90 years old or something and still got all their faculties about them, 405 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:35,000 it might be a bit decrepit, you know, or something, but their faculties are mental faculties. You think the information, obviously, they can give us then. 406 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:46,000 But if indeed they've been taken away before and they're now resting in the spirit world, why would we not try? Why would we not try our hardest to contact them? 407 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:55,000 Especially if we imagine and perceive that they're trying to contact us. Yes, there's no doubt. 408 00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:07,000 There's no doubt. Do you think that when, like, let's say that you and I walked into a place, I lived through this, I know that this exists, you know this exists, we're true believers, we're wide open as receivers. 409 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:22,000 Do you think that when, if we had a pure skeptic with us who shut off to that, that they could affect the energy somehow where there's less activity because that they don't want to deal with that person's, the way they're shut off like that? 410 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:46,000 You know what I'm saying? I think I would try and approach that in a way that if they wanted to shut off or be total skeptic, I would try and divorce myself from them somewhat to try and get a truer insight into what, indeed, if indeed there were anything there in the first place, 411 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:59,000 a truer insight into what there was, you know, what can I gain from this place? In other words, don't be swayed by someone's skepticism. 412 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:05,000 Do you think the spirits are swayed by it? Do you think the spirits know when, like, somebody who shut off to it? 413 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:17,000 I don't see, I don't see any, you know, sometimes I just work on logic. I don't see why logically they would, you know what I'm saying, why. They might be aware of the person. 414 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:32,000 Yes, I mean, aware of it. So, they have such a little energy, like, do you think they're like, well, I don't really want to waste this little bit of energy I have on this person just came in, a skeptic, saying nasty stuff, like, if you're here, come out and show me, you know. 415 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:38,000 That's why so many people walk away and say, didn't see a thing, didn't hear anything. 416 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,000 That's what I was getting at. 417 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,000 You see what I'm saying? Why would they bother? Why would they bother? 418 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,000 That's what I'd say, yeah. 419 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:53,000 You know, they have no antenna up. They're not even laying their self open for anything, are they, other than, told you so, told you so, you know. 420 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,000 Yeah, no. And that's how they live their life too, so. 421 00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:15,000 Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely. So, I wouldn't, you know, that frankly wouldn't put me off and I don't think, you know, there's any danger of the spirit world being put off by someone like that because there would be lack of communication. 422 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000 Yeah, no. 423 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000 Or no communication, because it's not worth it. 424 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,000 Exactly. 425 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,000 I wanted to let you know, it's coming up on the hour mark right now. We're at 58 minutes. 426 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000 Oh, come on, man. 427 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:38,000 I want to ask Robin real quick. I know, seriously, it was way too quick. I want to ask Robin, do you want to ask the last question before we head out? 428 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:58,000 Yeah, well, I was just going to ask to elaborate on what we're talking about, Brian, as in, say, family members who have passed, like say, for instance, in my family, very few, if any, in my family are believers of the paranormal, apart from me. 429 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:19,000 So, if anyone, in your opinion, if anyone from my side of the family who's passed was able or wanting or both to come back, would they be more likely to come to me because they know that I can do that? 430 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:29,000 Or would they be more liable to go to someone who's not a believer and show themselves to prove it? Or does it not really matter? 431 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:37,000 I think it does matter. I think the short answer would be that would come to you and not somebody who is a disbeliever. 432 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:50,000 It's like because you are being receptive and they are not being receptive. It's like an airway signal coming to a radio rather than your fridge. 433 00:59:50,000 --> 01:00:08,000 I mean, it's not meant to be. You are the receiver. You are the person who is laying yourself open, who is doing everything in your power, if you like, or you can do to accept that information that you think is out there and wants to come across to you. 434 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,000 Why would it happen to someone who isn't? You know, I don't see it myself. 435 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:20,000 No, it's just... I'm going to give you a hand. 436 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:33,000 No, I'm sorry. And people do make claims, don't they? Oh, you know, I was so-and-so-and-so-and-so and it was dark at night, you know, it was a churchyard and, you know, I saw something as a ghost, actually. 437 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:46,000 I'm sure it's the ghost. Yeah, sure. But I don't necessarily believe all that. I think, you know, we hear too much of that sort of thing. 438 01:00:46,000 --> 01:01:07,000 I think the spirit world is more meaningful than that. It's there to come across to give us information and it's wanting to do that to people who are receptive enough to, you know, people, as I say, be able to receive that kind of information and, you know, do something with it. 439 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,000 Yeah. 440 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:24,000 I don't believe, as I say, you know, you're verging on sort of supernatural films or horror films or something if you believe, you know, anyone could stumble over a ghost if you like. 441 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:31,000 I just don't think it's going to... I just don't necessarily think it's going to happen. I really don't. 442 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:53,000 I mean, there are lots and lots and lots of cases, let's be fair now. We're only talking... and you're talking to me because, you know, I was on a TV show called Most Haunted and that's where you happened to see me and prior to that, you know, I was a very private person and yes, doing psychic work and all the rest of it. 443 01:01:53,000 --> 01:02:18,000 But, you know, I've always had the best intentions at heart, if you like, you know. Once you went to an actual flat, do something in a commercial sense like go on TV or make a film or do whatever, whatever, then of course you enter a different ballgame because you're putting your head up above the parapet and critics out there are... 444 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:32,000 some people are going to love you and some people are going to hate you and say, you know, you're a fake or you're this or you're that or the other. And that's why quite frankly, I've never courted going back to doing that sort of work. 445 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:46,000 And I'm not doing it now, you know, I'm not courting that. I'm not looking actively for that sort of work now because I have my own beliefs and they're rooted and they're meaningful. I know what sort of person I am inside. 446 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:57,000 You know, I don't mind criticism to that degree, but why should I go looking for it? You don't understand? 447 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:09,000 I always thought you came off as very genuine, Brian, if that means anything. For me, I believe that a lot of people do like everything. Like I was a car salesman with a lot of people. I always thought I was lying when I'm not that type of person. 448 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:32,000 There are some people out there who pretend to be mediums, but you always came off extremely genuine and caring towards the spirits. And that's why I really enjoyed watching you when you were on the show. And the fact that you brought in your beautiful artistry to really just gave another layer of entertainment and just, I don't know, it just brought me closer to the experience you were having. 449 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:50,000 Well, then, you know what, then that's great. And, you know, I've achieved something, if you like, you know, because I do, I am a genuine person. I am a person. I'm hopefully a good person. I'm not out to deceive anybody. I don't want to do it. 450 01:03:50,000 --> 01:04:07,000 No, whether that be in a psychic way, or any other way. I don't want to do anybody or deceive anybody. I am what I am. You can see my artwork, either you like it or you don't like it. You know, I'm not out to deceive anybody. 451 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:28,000 You know, nor am I, you know, in the psychic sense. I do receive things. I genuinely believe I have in the past received messages from the past, and they have helped me through my life and given me a better understanding of a lot of things. 452 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:45,000 So I don't want to be associated with any charlatan or fakery. And so when earlier, I think we were talking about most haunted and perhaps we weren't on earth and generally, but, and there are noises in the background of things being thrown or whatever. 453 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:59,000 As I say, I was, I'm not aware of those things because I didn't enter that situation to be aware to be. If I had not if I had thought, you know what, this is all the sets up and it's trickery. 454 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,000 I wouldn't want to part of it. 455 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:12,000 Yeah, I don't love TV, and not to want to, you know, do people and be labeled a charlatan. 456 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:20,000 Yeah, means nothing to you to be on there. So I tell people, I'm almost 50 years old, I got better things to do than the hoax evidence for YouTube. 457 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,000 I can give a rat's ass about YouTube, or any of that. That's not why I do this. 458 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,000 You know what, I have better things to do as well. I really do. 459 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:47,000 You know, lots of lots of interest but I would never set out to do anything to deceive anybody and I don't want to. I never have the whole start now. But hopefully the information or that you know I've given you or the questions that you're asking I've answered. 460 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:52,000 Believe me, I've answered to the best of my abilities. 461 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,000 Absolutely. 462 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,000 I mean, I really enjoyed the conversation. 463 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:09,000 I always thought personally that that you and David Wells were the two best mediums they ever had. And let's face it, they have been through quite a few mediums on that program. 464 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:22,000 But I always thought that out of all the mediums that they've used that you and David Wells were the most genuine. And like I said before we'll come on there, you brought something to the table that nobody else brought. 465 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:31,000 You didn't just explain what you seen, you were able to put it on paper. And that was to me that most haunted. That was a game changer. 466 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,000 Yeah, well it was a different slant I suppose from that point from that viewpoint. 467 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:47,000 It's something that, you know, was quite natural to me, but not necessarily natural to lots of other people watching because they don't know, hang on, this is a bit different, you know. 468 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:52,000 Let's see what this guy can do. Well, that's what I do. 469 01:06:52,000 --> 01:07:01,000 You just read my mind, you freaked me out, Rob, you just freaked me out because I was just thinking the same thing about him and David Wells were really the only two mediums that I really, really enjoyed watching on the show. 470 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:08,000 I always thought Derek Acora was way over the top and I think he got caught doing something too. I don't know, I'm not there, it's not my business. 471 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:18,000 But I didn't enjoy watching him. I didn't love watching him, but him and him and Brian and David, I loved watching them. They came across as genuine and real and I don't know anything about, you know. 472 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:29,000 All I can say there is I don't want to badmouth anyone off the tour obviously, but Derek Acora, you know, God rest his soul because he has died now. 473 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:37,000 He was a showman. He was much more, you know, he was a showman. He was everything that I'm not. He was a showman. 474 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:44,000 But yet I despised watching him and I enjoyed watching him. I despised watching the first five seasons. I like everybody else, him. 475 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,000 Yeah. 476 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,000 Fast forward past his walkthrough every time. 477 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:55,000 Now whether he had any other ability, I obviously can't say because I had very limited exposure to him. 478 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,000 They still give him shows all the time, all the time. 479 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:10,000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was a showman. He's everything I'm not and will never be. You know, I do that through the work that I do, whatever work that might be. 480 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,000 Yeah. 481 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,000 You know what? 482 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,000 He's keeping you brother. I love the way he came across. So you keep doing you. 483 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:24,000 You want to know what too and I love the genuineness of you. I mean, you've been an awesome person since the minute we started speaking even backstage. 484 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,000 I mean, we appreciate that so much. Would you feel free to ever come back on? 485 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:38,000 Of course. Of course. Look, I can only thank you very much. And you made some lovely comments about, you know, my abilities. 486 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:48,000 You know, whether that's, as I say, the psychic drawings or, you know, or whatever and my own and my straight down the line artwork. 487 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:55,000 Of course, I've enjoyed talking to you and as I say, I'm always always glad to answer some questions, you know. 488 01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,000 Yeah. 489 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:06,000 Okay. No, it's been lovely, guys. It really has. I appreciate the chance to come on and answer that. 490 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,000 And it's been. 491 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,000 Thank you. Thank you. 492 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,000 Seriously. 493 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000 It's been fun. 494 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000 Thank you. 495 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,000 It's been an absolute pleasure, sir. Absolute pleasure. 496 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000 Take care. 497 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,000 No problem. See you. Bye. 498 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000 Hey. 499 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000 Oh, that's so cool. 500 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000 Fantastic. Fantastic. Yes. 501 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,000 Everyone at home. I want to show his art real quick. Again, this is how. 502 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,000 Did you find any of his spirit work show? Find one of his drawings of a spirit. 503 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:42,000 Fortunately, I love these before I started and I just did it off his website. I didn't find any of the spirit work once, but I will try to put them up on talking with the source page. 504 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:55,000 Listen, that lights out like like like really like when I say like it brings you into what he's experiencing, probably as close as you're going to get because they was such like knock them out the park like like detailed. 505 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,000 I believe I thought that's when I believe it was like the charcoal drawings that were fantastic. 506 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:06,000 I mean, go back to that other one, AJ. The one that has the shop on it. 507 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:17,000 That one. Yeah, that one. I mean, you know what I'm going to say, I'm no expert in art at all, but the brickwork above that shop like the great brickwork. 508 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,000 I mean, look how he's made it even look so old. 509 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,000 Look at him now and the light is reflecting off. It looks kind of like two. 510 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:30,000 Looks old. It's probably a thousand years old or something. You've asked it over there. Everything's like. 511 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:42,000 This was the best part. My favorite part of Most Haunted was in the beginning when a vet would come on and she'd be like, and this place is relatively new. It was built in 1585. 512 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:51,000 And I'd be like, you know, I'd be disappointed when she'd say, oh, this place was built in like 1890. I'd be like, oh, man, last week, the place has been built in 1200. 513 01:10:51,000 --> 01:11:01,000 Right. I mean, like, that's what we're talking about. Like, if you don't understand at home what that show was like, the history there goes back so damn far and the layers are so deep. 514 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,000 That's why I asked the question, like, how does that affect you? Because there's so much there. 515 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:17,000 That could be anything. He gave us so much information, too. And like, it was great to just think about because he was just like fantastic. 516 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:29,000 And he did. He was so like in depth with everything. Like I constantly talk to Robin about. Right, Robin? Like I constantly just like talk to you about that type of stuff and have him on to talk about it was just absolutely awesome. 517 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:35,000 But thank you. I mean, I I wanted him from for a while now. 518 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:48,000 And, you know, the one thing that I will say about about Brian, apart from being a nice fellow and apart, you know, he's going to he's agreed to come back on again and stuff. But he's one believer. 519 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:54,000 He's one of the easiest people to contact. He's got a website and on his website, he's got his phone number. 520 01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:00,000 And I've been I've been in touch with him for a couple of weeks now. 521 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,000 Don't tell us he will be calling the poor guy up asking him to do readings. 522 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:10,000 But honestly, honestly, it's some people that that I've tried to contact. 523 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,000 I'm even going to say some people that we even had on the show already. 524 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:19,000 They've been an absolute bloody nightmare to contact. 525 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:24,000 You know, I mean, you've been trying. Yeah, but you have to understand, though. 526 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:32,000 You have to understand most people don't want nothing to do with the public. And when they're big like that, they have tons of people that just want to have readings, just want to have things done. 527 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,000 So that's why they do that. That's why it's a nightmare to try and contact them. 528 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,000 Yeah, right. Because Brian has it. Brian is just an awesome, genuine person. 529 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:47,000 It doesn't care because he even said it right in the show. You know, you can contact me through my website, which is true. 530 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:55,000 And, you know, most of them are like that because they're scared because a lot of people are kind of crazy nowadays. Like you never know. Yeah. 531 01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:04,000 Yeah. The thing is, the thing is, like, it was bad. Listen, we'll get into this conversation after we get off the show because you're going to get in depth with it. 532 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,000 I could feel it. So no, no. 533 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:18,000 Intro with me. Thank you guys for joining us again. This is another episode of Talking With The Source and we will see you next time. Later. 534 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:46,000 It's been real. 535 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000 Yeah.