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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here from Coventry Circle Paranormal and talking with The Source.
Robin from Half-Horn Paranormal and talking with The Source.
And you guys are watching another episode. So today man, we have an awesome guest. I just want to honestly get right into it. I don't even want to say anything else.
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But Robin, you go ahead and make this intro because I know this is your day.
Yeah, I've been proper pumped for this. This is the guy. This is the guy who I watched on a TV program and I thought to myself, he's never going to come on. But I'll try anyway.
So I tried and I was like, yes. So for anybody who's familiar with the Roswell incident in 1947, the guy who found the wreckage was Jesse Marcel.
Today we have his grandson, Jesse Marcel III on.
Jesse, how are you guys doing? Good, good.
It's quite the introduction. Absolutely. I'm pumped for this one.
It really is. Like we said in the back, we couldn't stop thanking you already. So you're probably going to hear that a thousand times throughout the whole night. But we really truly appreciate it. We do.
Well, thank you. So why don't we want to start? Go ahead.
With the...
Robin, Jesse, just tell me about the damn aliens, man. Come on. I want to know the truth. I don't want to get to that point. Robin, go ahead. I apologize. I had to... No, you're OK. It's just a first senior Jesse on that program. If anyone hasn't seen it, Roswell, the first witness.
And it's a really, really in-depth program as to everything that happened. So give us your take on it.
The actual program was quite an experience. It was kind of fun. They actually shot the first episode of my house.
But it's always been obviously part of the lore, part of the family since as early as I can remember anyway. You know, starting back where my dad, my grandfather, they're both pretty stand up individuals.
My grandfather knew more of a military guy when I was really young. And my father was both a medical doctor.
For me, it kind of started out differently for each of the members of the family. We were all kids.
You know, anywhere from nine to twelve years old, that kind of thing, back of that age.
And my real first experience of what Roswell was, which I didn't know anything about it before this point, was watching Star Trek at dinner with the family.
And my dad was really into science fiction. I was too. I kind of like, I started out with 2001 Space Odyssey and you just fell in love with that whole genre and those ideas.
And we're sitting having dinner and my dad finds us a little house in Montana in the middle of the woods.
And we're at a table and he pushed up a TV to the table and starts playing. He said, you know, there's some truth to what is on here.
The show is all fictional. But your dad, your grandfather, excuse me, was actually part of an investigation of a real UFO that was that crashed in New Mexico.
And I thought, real fascinating. What's this all about? And that's where the whole story kind of started. He went into it.
We're lucky that we're lucky as kids to go down to Louisiana, where my grandfather and my grandmother lived, in Houma, Louisiana.
And so we'd spend our summers down there. And there was a big bayou behind my grandfather's house and he would go fishing back there.
And that's kind of where I kind of was indoctrinated or started learning all the stories about all facets of it.
So, do you want that? So, yeah, I mean, that's how that was really the beginning of it.
And then, you know, I go, you know, the story that that's well published, it's out there as far as my grandfather and really what it was trying to get disinformation officer were sent out to look at this,
basically a field out of Corona, New Mexico, and because something happened the night before some kind of a large or a big storm, lightning, thunder, that kind of thing, a local rancher said something happened.
And that he went out in this field. And in that process, he came up on a big herd of animals. I'm not quite sure if they're sheep or cows or something like that.
And when they he when he came up on him, he knows they would not cross this field. And they're trying to get to a water source, as my dad would call it.
But they were absolutely refused to cross this field. And he went out there and found this debris scattered everywhere.
And he couldn't really make heather tales of it. And he brought parts of the local police station that in it back in Roswell.
And that my father or my grandfather, excuse me again, was asked to go take a look at this debris and he could make heather tales of it.
They went back to the base and they sent him out. But as a way the military worked at the time was probably not too different today.
They sent him out there and again, another government official just to do the backstory, if it was necessary.
And I was thinking about that. I was I was thought it was it's kind of interesting when you think about here is, you know, the time back in the back in 1947.
This is out in the middle of absolutely nowhere. So you might have not been able to pick up a little bit of a radio station.
I'm not quite sure. But he had even at that point knew what it was. It's pretty mysterious.
You know, I didn't know what it was. And I was thinking about, you know, what that what was going through his head on his way out there.
He a little bit of a backstory on him. He was head of intelligence during the Second World War.
He was heavily involved in the nuclear bombing program, those kind of things, because that was the five oh ninth where he came from was the only nuclear bombing group in the world.
And he was rose to the ranks and then ended up being in that program.
So he was he was the right guy from the set out there.
They figure that if anybody was going to go out there and elaborate on whatever he saw or seen, he was a right guy.
So like I said, I'm sure he was very anyway.
I wouldn't say spooked, but definitely excited, interested, maybe a little bit nervous.
You know, my my my grandfather wasn't didn't come out as that kind of guy growing, you know, when I knew him growing up.
He was actually solid, very fun loving.
He did. He was always smiling, always has his pipe is just the kind of the good old boy kind of thing.
But I always like envision that prop that that right out of the field.
But he got there and he apparently took a one look around and between the amount of debris and the way it was spread out and that kind of thing.
He was like, you know, this is just I've never seen something like this.
Looking at the kinds of debris that were there, it didn't make sense to him if it was if it was an aircraft, let's say this would only be part of it because there is not the kind of materials there didn't make sense to be an airplane.
So there was confusion. There is a.
It was kind of interesting, but it was really it didn't take him long at that point when he's standing on the field surrounded by all this stuff to look at it.
And that's he kind of said this was not from here.
He you know, as as he told us, and I think he reported through, you know, different news agencies, that kind of thing over time that whatever it was, it wasn't made by human hands.
And so so he went, you know, said he did he he picked up parts of it and was viewing it and he told this disinformation officer, go ahead and go ahead of me.
I'll be back at the base in a few hours. Go, you know, go ahead and the disinformation officer left.
And that's where my grandfather proceeded to pull a little box out of the back of his car and fill it with a few pieces of debris and put it back in.
Because at that point, you know, where his mind was that this is significant. It wasn't from here.
And he had a pretty good idea that when it made back when it made it back to the base that this whole thing was going to be wrapped up.
It was not going to be for public viewing. It was going to it was going to be pulled back behind the curtain, so to speak.
And he thought this was the one chance that he could that his son, which was my father, of course, would have a chance to actually see something like, you know, his words wasn't from here.
So he went home. I think it was it was around, you know, around 1am or so and walked in the house and went through a kitchen in the kitchen.
He pulled stuff out of his box and laid it all over the floor, all the different pieces, that kind of thing, woke up his wife, my grandmother, which I was VO, and then my father, Jesse Marcel, of course,
and had them come down the hall and take a look and see what they see what they thought. And he was always kind of funny. It's like, yeah, you know, VO, my my grandmother was like, why did you make a mess out of my house?
What is this stuff? And he asked my father, he took a look at this.
Do you see anything that you would think could be, you know, wires or, you know, uses wires or any kind of tubes, the technology of the time, those kind of things, anything that looks familiar to all?
And, you know, a few minutes my father said no, nothing, nothing. He would recognize the child. He was 12 years old, time 11, 12. And didn't understand it.
I can't, I'm sorry. I imagine like being that young and like your grandfather comes home with this otherworldly stuff and lays it on the floor. Like, that just, I mean, this is just, oh my gosh. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. This is just awesome.
No, it's good. You know, what's interesting is like they're going through my like my grandfather asked my dad to see like a puzzle. Does it, any of these things fit together?
Whatever they say, they kind of played around with it. They couldn't get anything to fit together, you know, like a puzzle, that kind of thing. And one part of it was a beam. I kind of, my father actually called it an eye beam.
That's a cross section of the shape of it. My dad pulled up and was looking at over the kitchen sink below a little light. And he noticed that, you know, if you looked at it straight, it was like a grayish silver brushed beam kind of looking thing.
And then if you angled it, then you'd be able to see all these symbols appear on it. These violet symbols. And he said, you know, Dad, come here, take a look at this. And my grandpa said, hey, you know, you're probably the first person to ever look at this alien language.
So it was kind of interesting. I think that obviously stuck with my dad.
And that was really, I think, where my grandfather kind of brought into the idea that, hey, this is not from here. You know, this is not, you know, this is not ours. It's not some military or something. It's nothing from the base. We don't know what it is exactly, but he didn't think it was from here.
And we were saying in the program that apparently it was a bit like aluminium foil, but when you scrunched it all up, it just flattened out again.
There was several types of material. There was like, I would think the way it's been described to me by our grandfather and dad, that kind of thing, and through the family anyway, it would be very close to what we have is the silver mylar that we have today, like when Nick balloons out of, you know, very, very shiny and just like that.
You know, if you if you pull up and go back, it springs back into shape. It's that kind of idea. Maybe it held, you know, I like to think about ideas. Well, what would this have been used for? I'm thinking, well, it's a silver foil. It can, it's very malleable.
It can, it doesn't, it was probably pretty strong. So whatever ripped this thing apart was very strong and very, very big event.
But, you know, it was just traveling through space or whatever any kind of space debris would destroy whatever's going fast. And maybe this material could absorb space debris, you know, a dust grain, whatever, and spring back into shape. Maybe it was some kind of a shield or force.
Maybe it was, you know, who knows what it was. But so yeah, it to us anyway, it'd be like, like, like mylar that you fold up and let go and springs back into shape.
The beams, my dad did say that all the all the materials, with the exception, there was a lot of like he described as big light, which was like the counter material back from the 50s, I guess, like a black plastic.
So there's lots of that out there. And it was all like I said, like a burnt up plastic, plastic of some kind. Other than that, the I beams and the foil, that kind of thing.
He thought they're all made from the same thing. It's a different shape, whether the beams had structure where the foil had no structure, but it looked like the same material.
They talked about how strong it was and, you know, feather light.
The grandfather that as the story goes, would always talk about you know he smoked too and you can see in the in this cigarette pack that the right thin foil from a while ago that used to cover cigarettes or wrap cigarettes, that really, really thin foil.
And that's how he kind of described he said, my dad said it wasn't quite as shiny as like tin foil is a little more gray. But that was a pretty good description but he said very very light, unbelievably strong, that sort of thing.
And then these, the beams, they had probably pieces there from a few inches long to maybe four feet long, that kind of thing.
People are no, he gave him back.
At that time, my grandfather, he basically after they viewed all this stuff, put it back in the box and went to the base.
And my grandfather, my father didn't remember exactly how long he eventually saw him again that was probably a couple days.
But he brought it all back with them. They were you know it wasn't far after the war. And it was one of those things that was you know you did what you were, that was the right thing to do which I think this is, you know, take it, that kind of thing.
I always thought it was kind of interesting because my, you know, my grandfather was very, you know, he was military he was, he ended up being a colonel he had been going through all this, and a head of intelligence like I think, but yeah he was willing to twist the rules a little bit to bring us so his family could see it.
So, you know, through all the stories out there was this was this not whatever it up to him was obviously very very important.
He would bring it back to the base and that you know story that was released in there and the record about the Roswell Daily Record that they had found a flying saucer that kind of thing.
And then, once they got out, some other people got involved and they said no it was a weather whatever.
But interesting story as we go along.
He goes back to the base, and then after he returns home.
He went on, I think it was like a two week leave something like that. And my father was saying it's interesting because we never went on a two week leave at that point but my grandfather went on this leave and a number of people from the base one on the sleeve.
And, you know, we're surmising that that lead was actually some of the people involved they got together and decided okay what do we do now, you know, what where do we take this thing what do we do with it.
And a big thing that was kind of interesting my father said is upon my grandfather's return from those meetings. He met with my, my grandmother and him and said simply that this was a non event that you never saw anything we've never talked about this and you're not to talk about
it with anybody.
And that's kind of where, and on the family side.
As far as where we were at here obviously I wasn't born yet but my my father eventually had to be Montana. The thing was kind of separated for quite a while.
And I thought that my grandfather did talk to some of our family members there's lots of Marcellus back in home in Louisiana where it's from that had some interesting stories they talked about but it was, you know, we learned more, more on the, you know, I would say this
is probably the late 70s.
And the Fisher trip and you know like we talked about you know we talked about aliens Okay, this is the debris what what is it about this aliens What about this kind of thing.
You know it's described as a story goes again, that there were multiple crash sites that this was either came apart, above the ground and a big part of it land somewhere else and part of Atlanta where my grandfather looked.
But where my grandfather was interesting when you talked about, you know, bodies you see any bodies what what do you see.
He did say it was kind of a big story back in the 70s as soon as we got lost but there was some kind of an animal that was either hit by this thing or whatever when it came down to it was some kind of a biological.
That was in that original field.
And I think my graph my grandfather said yeah maybe was the cow that got in the way or you know maybe it wasn't maybe it was something else.
And, but he knows because you know the top of the alien is always a fascinating part. And he asked a couple things like, well, you know, we asked him as kids and stuff.
So, were there aliens easy by you know, at that point, there wasn't a lot out there publicly about it honestly.
But inside the family of course we talked about all the time we didn't we didn't think about it any different than you talk about the baseball game on the weekends that this just just happened this what people talk about.
And he said we said were there you know where their bodies. You know, did you see anything like that. And he is his response was always the same said, I was not involved in that second crash site.
But those people that were you can believe what they said, and they said their bodies. So it was it was in a way of being one step back from saying that yes there were some kind of alien bodies.
And I think that's my grandfather even through the end of his life was a little bit careful about what he said to his family, and those immediate. He didn't want to have us go through what he went through is, you know antagonized and questioned and that kind of thing about what
you hear what you see what you know.
Of course,
I'm pretty free to tell about like what we grew up we knew our phones were tapped. It wasn't hidden, you know, so people were listening conversations by my grandfather that said the story before was my father was putting together a vacation for us to go to California.
Something like that. And he had just hung up the phone. His phone rang and this is his doctor's medical office and his practice in Helena. He picked up the phone and they said, so doctor we understand you're going to be in LA on this date, and you're going to be staying here,
can we come by and talk to you. So again it wasn't like it was being hidden that they weren't listening to conversations because they were.
And so he went. So this is kind of how we grew up. That meeting was basically was with a mobile balloon project they wanted to meet with him and tell them that what you heard about was the mobile balloon project and not about a UFO, and they try to convince
them over and over and my dad just said hey, what you're describing is not what I remember and what I and my dad talked about. So that was kind of that was kind of that.
But I think they are doing a press release after that word Dr Marcel came out and said that it was a mobile balloon which there's no truth to. But, but you know in general that that's kind of the cycle across there there's lots of little details and that kind
of thing but I always like to talk about that when you know, one of the memories have my grandfather is, we've been talking about Roswell that sort of thing and, and he would say you know wink and smile and say but there's so much more that I simply can't tell you.
And so, again with that idea that it's kind of like Senate it would might. Today's a different day, fortunately, you know there's with my, like, you know with my dad it was antagonized there's people that kind of pretty lousy things about him
that he was, you know one thing was like, he was one of those awful motorbike riders, or yeah he wrote his motor motorcycle and climb the Tetons. They're trying to try to put holes in his in his character which there weren't any I mean he was he was a great guy.
And so they, and he had to deal with people saying awful things.
One for it came out in the press at one time that my grandfather was never even in the military, which is always shut down real fast because he was with there's a lot of information out there.
And my dad had to do deals with struggles like that. And I wouldn't say defending his grandfather his father, but just saying you guys are wrong know this is this is what I this is what I know this is what I saw this is what I was part of.
And he always did on that through through his last stages of my grandfather did.
And like I said it was it was very interesting and it's, it's, it was fun it's like that was, you know, like my grandfather was a big ham operator radio radio operator, and he likes to talk to people all over the world and I always thought the you know social media he would
just because you can talk to everybody anywhere. Yeah, it was one of those conversations on ham radio, call or talk whatever it's called mentioned to him that hey are you that Jesse Marcel from Roswell Air Base said yeah, and he and this guy actually
brought him said hey, are you, was there some kind of a UFO out there. And my grab my grandfather talked about I said yeah, I was part of it that's that's me and they kind of went through the story a little bit on the other ham radio, and that conversation
was picked up. And that's what Stanton Friedman was what was notified of and that's kind of how the whole thing blew open publicly and you know, at that point anyway.
So, that was the wall see I see this this topic is he I am so fascinated by this topic. And I literally do believe that obviously we've been being visited for a long long time from different either these are type of aliens all over.
I totally 100% 100% believe that. And I even heard. I obviously have heard a little bit about your grandfather story but I didn't know that much into it at all and so it's so great to hear straight from your mouth and straight from your family, because you guys
were there all of it you were there with him and it's just, oh man there was just so much detail there Robin go ahead and ask across it because like I honestly it's just the thing is, you can, you can tell, you know for for us for anybody that's
watching anybody that will watch this. He can actually tell from everything that your family went through Jesse, you know I mean, that. I mean he went back with the parts, and he was told that fact was that there was a case of the parts were actually
swapped, or no he was taken out of the room. And the parts were swapped and then he was told to basically it was a weather balloon, all this kind of stuff. You don't just do that if it's nothing.
And you're dead on and there's there's lots of things around there that just don't make sense. And that's when like, like my grandfather, when he was going down to the room where those scouts famous pictures were taken of him holding
the camera. Yeah, right here is this what is this the one you're talking about.
Yes, that's it.
Yeah, and you know if you look at that picture and my sister pointed this out. He's not looking at the cameraman he's looking at somebody who's telling him cooperate whatever.
He actually thought when he was going that room that they're going to have the real stuff.
Oh my goodness, they're actually going to release this to the public. And when he turned the corner and walked in the room he realized that. No, this is not it's actually, it was part of that mobile room project, those kind of things.
He's actually got a look in his face in that picture, as if he's saying to someone. I didn't sign up for this. You know I mean, I didn't sign up to tell lies.
I didn't want to tell the truth. Exactly. Oh, you could tell that he's sitting there like really this is not what I had in my hand.
There isn't one thing that's fascinating though is he said that in that room of all those materials that there was some parts of the real one there.
There was some stuff you know if that's where they put some of the stuff and they took some pictures and moved it away and then brought in this other stuff but he said that there was some of the stuff in there was actually real, although most of it was just this muggle project,
but there was even some where they're showing like they have a envelope for a balloon and that kind of stuff that was out there it's like you don't send the balloons and their envelopes up and the whole thing was a fiasco, but you bring up a good point is like why do any of this,
you know what they did when they found a weather balloon or these kind of things in the desert.
And a kid would find it out in the middle of nowhere and call it in, and they get like, you know, a little prize for calling it in, and they would be told to throw it and get out of trash can.
Yeah, that's the way it was treated.
So, it's just, but yet they made this huge event, and the muggle project at the time was top secret but yet they're willing to put their top secret project everywhere.
And, you know, they could just went that by their balloon, carry on, but the fact that the going to this much detail and hustle and whatever else you want to call it to try and, and everybody knows it was a cover up to the to the fact now that they've actually had to come out in
the last couple of years, and actually admit that they actually have evidence.
There's still some stuff that said the same thing as your grandfather, that they felt it, and they, you know, from that time like I was on one of the shows that's recent over here in the States I forget I forget the guy's name and who's on it but um,
they actually had to two older gentlemen who knew your father or grandfather, and put all these materials out in front of them and we're feeling and they were like, Nope, these aren't the ones you understand like nobody understands what we're trying to say and I was like,
hearing that come from you and your grandfather I'm like and seeing this picture and now knowing inside, you know that he's probably definitely looking at somebody and telling them what the, you know what to do because he's not looking at the camera man and that's not, you know, if that was really the prize possession,
you would be really happy to take that picture, especially.
That picture for again for anyone if you want to put it on one more time AJ, that picture, forget the chairs in the background, forget what he has in his hand, look at the face, his face tells the whole story, in my opinion, his face is, he's basically he's thinking to himself,
I'm being I'm being set up here I'm being juked here because I know what I seen and this isn't what I seen. It is his face tells the whole story and not one picture.
It really does and hearing it now from Jesse is like, it's just like you hear the backstory to it and you hear just his like, no, there's no way, like there's no way now I'm looking at that picture.
I'm never going to think of it the same anymore. So thank you, Jesse.
And then the thing is, I don't mean it. I don't mean it in a derogatory way, Jesse, I don't mean it in that way at all. I'm saying, you can tell that that he's basically he's, he's gutted or if you want to use a different term he's pissed off, because he's not able to actually say, you know, he opens the box and go and thinks, this isn't what I find, but they're like, pose with it, you know.
And it's interesting that that that picture. I mean that propagated you know I don't want to you know I mean literally dark black government whatever men in black that's really where it started, you know, that this is kind of where the whole thing began on that on that idea
a lot of a lot of those concepts and those sort of things so it's interesting and my dad, I took it as a little bit different because as kids, we had different experiences my sister I have Denise Marcel my brother john Marcel, we had different experiences with my
father and it wasn't always the same. But my, my, my sister was always on the edge that, you know, this really, you know, not terrorized him, but deeply deeply upset him upset his life through the years because I mean he was, he was thrown on the sword and he took it.
You know at that point it's like okay, now what do we okay if this is going to be covered up, what are we going to do now to cover it up, what do we have to do and he's had been telling us obviously that whole idea that that whole idea of where, you know, this
the intelligence was crazy or not talks created but all these different departments were created that time the government always things we're going to do with all this, all these, all these.
And, and, and, like I said, my, my, my sister took this tactic. He was very upset most of his life over this thing and that and she can then maybe that is that relationship that she has my grandfather, my grandfather, the one that I have with him was more like, he
couldn't believe that he was lucky enough to be that person that would have handled this stuff and came to that conclusion at that time it's a, you know, kind of a blessing it's like, you know, all the people on earth, all the places it could have been.
And he ended up right where I was at, and I was the one chosen out so I always look at, I'm a fairly optimistic person too but that he was that he was like, wow I was that guy I was the right place at the right time.
And I, and that's and I truly believe that that he really, he was very happy, excited, very happy to that person that that that was able to be part of something that big.
Can you imagine back in that time, Robin, just imagine being back in that time and you're the first person to ever see something that you don't even know one what it is and to only thing you do know is that it's not from this world.
It's, it's unbelievable that that program that program alone, the whole way through it, and even that photograph. I feel so sorry for him, because he's literally being silenced.
You know, it's just honestly.
You know so you feel that way but also you have to remember like Jesse said, he was doing his job and he knew that this was his. So, I mean, yes it did gut him because you can see that in that picture that he knew right then and there like wait.
Does the truth matter does my job matter really what it matters but is this a national security issue, maybe so I need to be silent. You have to think also like in a military kind of way like if you're doing your job and yours is dedicated as his grandfather was,
you know, you're, yeah, you're probably torn apart between your job that you love and also the truth of what you obviously love because you're moral you know you're you're more.
I mean I totally feel that Jesse completely so thank you for sharing all that that was awesome.
There's an interesting angle for all this stuff like you know you grow up and I you know they're, they're Catholic they actually have there's had their names that I guess the time back then in the pews this Catholic Church you'd actually get your family name and it was some, some kind of honor for, you know, whatever, whatever that was back then.
But so you're talking about somebody who was Catholic or cut was was was a believer, a religious believer, and that kind of thing and that that obviously was kind of opposed to the idea of, of, you know, other aliens out there that kind of thing.
And we always like inside our family always think it's like well there's plenty of space and you know for. So, you know, for a creator to create life everywhere. And boy that sure egotistical will think that we are, you know, we are the chosen, whatever, whatever, however you want to look at it but it's like
there's nothing about this that's fearful this is only exciting it's comforting. It's knowing there's more and there's, you know, that's out there and it's just I mean it's a very, it's a very, you know, optimistic very exciting, thinking that there's, you know, there's like I was told a story about how I grew up
in a family where, you know, I'm sitting there having dinner with my family and I'm been envisioning there's another family on some faraway world having dinner with their family. But it's, you know, it's just like, and it's all good, you know, I guess, all very good.
And I, you know, it's like I don't know if I was directly told that but that's how I grew up.
It's a very good feeling we're never, we never were like worried or scared of something, you know that something's out there and it's going to get that never you know we enjoyed in science fiction, you know, all that kind of thing.
But in reality and then it was never, it was never thing it was always very positive it was fun, like I said, it was easier to be my generation because pretty much all the garbage is stopped the what you didn't have those people out there.
You know, you can say some bad things about your do whatever. And that sort of thing so it was like, I, the people I greet meet everywhere. You know, there are some people that that that won't don't don't want to believe which is great I mean actually I like to listen to people
who don't believe it, but it's the whole idea is that, again, a very interesting experience, very, very, very positive very optimistic very, you know, it's a great story. And like I said, if anything, it only brought our family closer together, you know,
it's like, and we, like, like with, with Facebook and everything now it's always fun to have somebody that I went to high school with her college with her whatever pop and say hey whatever happened that Roswell, because I don't honestly remember talking about that much
because some people always remember that story and you know it's it's like, it's always going to be part of our family but again in a positive way it's like I said it's nothing but it's been fun it's interesting. Yeah, my, my father when I was getting one backyard started
digging out a ditch and by building a huge observatory by hand, and made a mirror for it by me he did this whole, the biggest observatory Montana actually.
So you could start look up, look up the sky. You know, I never knew that that is all Wow that is wild. Yeah, he did it was it was great I mean literally he went out there it was fun we live on the countryside, and he goes out there with a you know with
a pickaxe he's digging a hole and it gets bigger and bigger than you know one morning we're out there on the deck looking there's some little bears are playing in it. But you know, and by doing the whole thing himself.
He built walls concrete block walls and then a big dome then he built the telescope. One thing that always happened by my father was just an absolute genius he was a very very brilliant man.
And he, he, he had always glass tubes that we had had as kids and we have to roll a wrap with wire. And what he was doing was building a memory bank.
And he built a computer before there was really there out there and there's a you know the big punch card computers at that time, the computers that control those telescope.
So he was like, he was so far, his mind was, but, you know, so far ahead of what was being thought of back then but it was it was it was interesting but.
Yeah, that is, talk about coming from legends. Like, like that your family sounds like the coolest family I've ever, ever even had a chance to meet one of my family member from, to be honest if that makes any sense that I just said because I
tell you what to have your grandfather, you know, being a military man doing all the things you just told us and then also your father like being a genius to be able to do what he, what you just told us he did I mean that is just that that's so awesome to hear
that it brought you guys closer together.
Even better because a lot of these stories I mean, you're like Bob was are where he come and came out. And all of a sudden it's like, you know, he's been attacked this whole life he's had anxiety is they know they tried to erase everything.
So to hear that it brought you guys closer together is just, it's good to hear.
Yeah, good point as a family. You know I think it was like it was in a way kind of a good thing is we had each other too. Yeah, you know, those are is by himself is kind of, you know, he had some demons to fight it he was just that.
And a lot of people are experiencers or whatever they're kind of but we, we are always a family, you know, so I was always, you know, through the generations and all kinds of you know there's a, it just it just it's gone through the family is going to continue through my kids.
And it's like, like, I wrote a book, a few years ago, like six years ago now, and someone, we were thinking about you know our kids are that this was at the time was coming out my kids are still in grade school like, well, we don't want to.
This is kind of no we're not going to talk about that but somebody talk to somebody. Next thing I know we're signing books to teachers, and the schools loving all this stuff.
And instead of trying to bury it and hide it. They embraced it. I mean, that I was kicked with people like driving up to pick up my kids, and these other kids come knock on the window Hey, did you see Independence Day, they talked about Roswell and that, you know, so that's
the first thing that's going on, and it can just to go on to a lot more like it's a lot friendlier of a place, you know, as far as that goes, people. You know, there's not that people are just want to believe anything, but they but they also like the idea, you know that there's something out there.
It's just different because like I said before it was like people try to do, you know, the scare their own shadow no it can't exist it's horrible there's your crazy.
And I was like, well you know it's actually kind of a good thing. So, well look at the new space telescope I mean what I forget the name of it all right.
James. Yeah, whatever you want to call it. No, not the hubble the James Webb telescope. Yeah. Yeah, well I couldn't think of the name just went totally blank.
Um, what I was gonna say was look at all the galaxies that just in that one picture that took like a couple of months ago I mean, there has to be more. There has to be other species there has to be other places of life on it.
There's no way that we're the only one I just after seeing that I was like that is incredible, you know, it doesn't make sense there wouldn't be all the elements are there all those.
I mean, everything is there, like they found plenty of habitable planets just in our neighborhood you know and you know a number of light years out and let alone, and we're to scratch the surface and I love those things like the Webb telescope they had this one,
you know, I'm not quite sure where is but there's a, there's a place where it's almost vacant. We have all these galaxies and you got a little, a little place where it was absolutely nothing.
It's like this is fascinating things. And, again, back to my father, he, he was a big, he believed in strength theory that was kind of one of the things he was really a proponent of.
And and but he'd go back and explain to us as kids string theory and how that fits into creation, and it fits into, and it was able to communicate these crazy scientific topics to kids and they'd understand.
And it was one of his geniuses like there's, it was just that whole idea and it just everything just makes sense it what wouldn't make sense would be that that you know we're the only ones here it's just that just on a scale doesn't make any sense at all that we would be so
I'm literally the biggest nerd. When it comes to like string theory when it comes to quantum mechanics when it comes to stuff neuroscience. So you definitely had one of the coolest dads in the world man I'm not going to lie.
I mean, I'll tell you a funny story is like we get up in the morning sometimes they will grab our seals on the way to school. My dad would meet us in the hallway and we had to throw on lead aprons.
He was testing an atom smasher he built in our basement, they didn't want us to get radiated.
So that was just, you know, that was just, that was just normal day to day stuff, you know, no big deal.
I remember the movie Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, reminds me of that. AJ we've missed out on so much here.
Are you up for adoption? Can you adopt us now? Yeah, right.
I've got another question for you, Jesse. And again, I'll come back to that TV show. I don't want to get monotonous but there was a rumor in that show that there was part of the, called the wreckage that was actually kept and hidden buried somewhere.
There.
I have no doubt that that's true.
You know, we are actually part of what was going to be a treasure hunt to go find some of it. I have my own ideas where some of it's at, but with the rest of it, there's been stories out there.
Some of it, you know, there's I think there's a thread of truth to a lot of what's being said out there about it.
But we're going to go with that but you know we might do a lot of exploring ourselves as a family, you know, track, track, and what logically would have made sense to my grandfather.
Unfortunately, he passed away literally, like, not really so much a heart attack but a stroke. And it's like if he had if he was going to tell anybody, anybody that there was something hidden he didn't get a chance to do it unfortunately.
Yeah, but I mean there has to be it's out there some other. There's, there's, I think he was lucky the piece back in his house in the home.
He had to go through. So I absolutely do believe there is there's materials out there and, and there's lots of other interesting stories of one was telling me about someone had a piece of sliver of this, the foil.
They're using as a bookmark in the house out in Roswell. They just kind of, I was passed through. So there are I mean there, there has to be whatever you want to believe there's still parts of it out there.
I don't know. My dad, I always like my dad always this thing about having you know like that, that Indiana Jones you know that the big warehouse where they're bringing all these big, you know, big cases of whatever and it gets lost in the warehouse.
And then and then all of a sudden, what, going into my crystal skull thing came out, they did that same, the same scene that my father depicted about for 20 years was in that it was in their movie about you know where this secret hidden stuff you know.
And you know some of us there I, I have my own ideas that have about some greater importance than the material itself.
But that'll be, I don't mean mysterious or whatever but through research and that kind of thing will be, you know, doing, doing more with it but we do as a family as a Marcel family.
We do intend and we've been asked by quite a number of people is to you know to come out and kind of give more of what we're doing what we're talking about what's what's going on within our family, what what what the experience was like with it with
our what our family was like and my grandfather and father of course so we're going to do a little bit more of that just it just you know you get a little bit older and now we have a little you know maybe hopefully a little more time to go out and have some have some fun
and meet some people.
Hey we got a couple we got a couple minutes for a couple more questions and I want to ask you real quick. If you could tell us a little bit about this, you know, TV show that you were talking about that you are going to get yourself into that I think
is going to be a great idea you allowed to talk about it or no.
Oh, yeah, the actual TV, the specials that came on I think it was history channel are done.
You know, we, we, you know, we have managers.
What's that talk about the road show you wanted to do. Oh, on the road. Okay, show show. Yeah, we're going to go definitely on the road, and do some very personal intimate meetings with some people and go out there and just just go through and kind of
kind of we brought up here. Some of the mysteries involved in Roswell that maybe with the right people we can help have them solved we have, we as a family have a lot of the source documentation, you know all the diarretical journals all these kind of things.
And it's going to be one of those things that we're going to bring out, and people are going to be you know we're going to be doing it all over the world.
And people can come out and we'll sit down and it'll be kind of a more of an intimate conversation, and we'll, we'll have some people to come up some ideas of what they think after looking at some of the stuff and, you know, how do you see us kind of we did on the show
a little bit. Some people analyze it, but not from you know, I don't care you don't have to be from ufology or whether it's a just a sleuth just somebody that's looking at this is a great mystery I mean it's one of the greatest mysteries.
It's kind of like, you know, come with us to be part of that. You know, maybe you'll see something we don't maybe you'll have some ideas that we haven't thought of, but more make it a, you know, a bigger kind of an adventure and a kind of a fun thing.
And that we're actually at this point looking at going to your going out to England to do the kickoff for. So we're going to be going around you know there isn't a timeframe for us it's going to be a little bit together.
We're going to be going, and again, it's just going to be really just pretty much the Marcells, we do have, I worked with this one gentleman and he used, he's actually kind of a retired police officer.
And he did homicide detective is homicide detective, and he did a lot of investigating and you know, he would draw the, you know, what did the person look like whatever that we were that whatever is missing or whatever this whole thing or who the, who the perpetrator
was, and he was an expert in that and forensics, and we're going to be bringing him, he's come in and partnering with us to go and take an entirely different view of analyzing what people see and experience and applying what he's worked with the FBI, the CIA, the
FBI, with and police force that kind of thing, bringing all those elements that he's learned through the two decades, and how to do this stuff, and now applying it to these kind of investigations and and people and I always love the way he talks about things
like when you go to interview somebody, you can make any suggestions how like I don't want to speak for a bit, his name is Dan Halley.
You can't ask somebody how tall they were, because they all think that there were tall in their mind, and now they're thinking the person's tall is that you never actually bring that kind of information into it.
But he has a way is learn forensically to how to get data from people is meaningful and how to push the right buttons to have more come out.
It's actually meaningful. So we're pulling all of that, he's playing all of those resources, all of that intelligence, all of that experience into this realm, help people come up with, you know, whether an experience or they've seen something, but bring a whole new way to look at things and bring it out.
So we just want to do it. It's going to be all open, available, all the information we get so open to anybody who wants to see it, you know, that kind of thing.
It's really just like a really a holistic way of just getting more out there and then there's some people like here in the United States, the government has an open line kind of thing like you see something say something.
Well, yeah, you are intimidated to call the government and give their story. Well, as a Marcel, people believe whatever. So it's kind of like, you know, they believe that, well, we're part of UFO story all our whole life so anything you tell me we're not going to look at you as being strange
to me, you know, so it opens that it opens that door up to do that. So, so on that road show, sorry, AJ on that road show. Are you are you bringing like a load of things that were your grandfathers along.
Like, you know, do you like still have for instance the uniform that he was wearing when he found the stuff or is there things like that that you're bringing. No, no more documentation, more personal writings more all that kind of stuff.
Right.
That's an interesting idea I wonder if there's a if one of his old uniforms around somewhere I'm not quite sure but we got a lot more of those kind of things and we'll make it, you know, you know that people will be able to come and view that kind of thing.
I tell you what with the documentation and then your buddy who's the cop who's going to be a part of this. Yeah, I'm going to bring a whole new level to a great road show I really do and I can't wait to see what you do with it because I know it's going to be amazing
because the way you just described his forensics and the way that he interviews people alone knows that he's going to get information on somebody that's not going to be something that was planted in their minds subconsciously.
So I think that's very, so I think I think that's going to be pretty cool. You know, as you know, doing everything that he's done in his life. It's like you kind of you, you realize, you know what, are you going the right direction with something or is this is this
psychological is it actually a real experience, as if it is what you can draw that. And he's already been invited that some others, other things around the world to come take a look at what they have so elegant and it is just starting it really just started the last six
years and it's going to be interesting and very, you know, very open.
A lot of you know people can become involved as little or as much as they want to.
So it should be it should be a lot of fun.
That's great. Well Robin you want to ask another question before we wrap it up.
Yeah, well I've got one. Yeah, the, the wreckage that was found and all the wreckage and stuff that's been found in different places that people obviously believe I mean, I firmly believe it but other people are sort of skeptical.
Do you think it's pieces like area 51 and stuff that this stuff has been held up.
You know, I wouldn't say a specific place but definitely.
Absolutely. There are places where biological and and materials are being held around the world.
And they have like, you can't, you know, you cross that line, especially at area 51, you get shot dead.
No, no questions asked. So it's like, you know, what's there that they want you to say.
Right. Well, I always look at it, pulling it back just a little bit like, if you believe that there's, it's almost, it's almost like it's not really whether you believe in the light extra life out there and not is do you believe technology can get whatever it is here.
That's really the question it's like, I mean, I, you rarely meet anybody does like yeah it doesn't make sense there's that life out there, but I don't believe in aliens.
I mean, you don't believe they can get here. Where, where, where in your beliefs, do you do stuff. Where does it become know that's possible. They were right on the edge scientifically of being able to you know things that will circumvent some of the you know, work
within our universe but yet circumvent some of the properties to keep us moving so fast like I think, but I mean, we're here, you know, go out 1000 years for somebody else that's already been where we're at.
To me there's no question that they couldn't find some way to traverse that you know the universe to heavens the galaxy use the interstellar, but so you got to go to that level and, of course, if anything is here, we're going to investigate it, and it becomes kind of
a logical thing. And to me it's almost illogical to think that it doesn't exist.
I think that there isn't something, you know, at places, you know, area 51 can be a heart, it could be a distraction. You know, it could be, it could be like yeah yeah don't look over here everybody.
Well, because really everything's happening over here but everybody's concentrating over here because don't look at this, you know, just don't know.
I said that Bob was our said no it wasn't area 51 that I had the experience I was s4, which is like a couple miles like 1000 like I don't know like maybe 10 or whatever miles he said away.
So it was funny that you say that it's always a deception. So he's a slight trick of hand kind of like magic like how magicians do things.
But, um, I really like that Jesse would you would you be willing to come back on again. Of course, absolutely. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. I appreciate it.
And you want to ask one more thing I know you're itching over there. I'll say I'm all right.
I'm just pleasure talking to it.
And I can say, when you bring it over to the UK, give me a give me a show you on the world we're going to put together a list of people will add you guys to it.
Cool. Thank you so much. Appreciate that.
Well, Jesse, thank you so much for coming on. It's been an honor. We will definitely see you in on definitely soon for sure.
All right. Well, thank you very much. Stay in touch.
Thank you.
That's for sure.
Thank you, my friend.
Man, that was such a cool show. Wow. There was so much like literally so much that I want to ask what I was just in awe. I was in awe because I've never got to hear that side of the story.
I've only heard a very outline general version of the story. So to hear such in depth stuff was absolutely incredible.
Yeah, it is. It's an amazing story. And like I say, from watching that TV show and and seeing seeing all that through the eyes of of an outsider, but an outsider who's working along with Jesse who we just had on and looking into things.
And it's just phenomenal. And like I say, keep come back to it. But that photograph, I mean, the look on his face, it just tells a thousand stories.
I know this one right here. Yeah. His face does look tell a thousand stories right there.
If that was if that was a weather balloon that had crashed and it was a weather balloon that he was shown it not not say like with a smile, but you'd be like, you know, I mean, he's just completely looking away as if to say, really, really?
You're making me show this. You know, I mean, I'm a site.
Get it. You know, for me, dude, it's like more like I'm kind of nervous to dive deep into the alien situation because it kind of scares me because obviously it's the unknown where I kind of lose all control.
So that's why I kind of never dive too deep into the alien situation. But let me tell you, it doesn't make me a non believer because I am a believer for 100 percent sure.
I've seen too much evidence to say that there's not something and not other species out there.
But I tell you what, to have the in depth story right now of Roswell is absolutely amazing.
So thank you for having Jesse come on and thank you.
Oh, I'll say it was amazing. I've been I've been looking forward to that one for a while. You know yourself. Oh, absolutely.
Yep. We've been talking about it for weeks. So yeah, but we want to thank everyone who is watching. And my name is AJ Capasso from Talking with the Source.
Mr. Humphries is in. Yeah. What's up, Mr. Humphries?
Oh, God, Robin. So I'm AJ Capasso from Talking with the Source. Robin from Hot Friend Power Normal and Talking with the Source.
And you guys watched another episode. So thank you guys until next time. Later. See you later.
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