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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here from Talking with the Source and Coventry
Circle Paranormal and I'm here with my good old friend from the UK.
Robin Heffern from Heffern Paranormal and Talking with the Source.
Wow, you know what, I was a little confused by that for a second because you were like
Robin and then you were like Heffern Paranormal. I was a little confused. I'm like what, he
just changed it to Heffern Paranormal?
Yeah, I'm just mixing it up a little bit AJ, mixing it up.
Oh, okay, okay. See how you're lagging a little bit. That's awesome. I get to see you with
your mouth open half the time. This is pretty cool. I love it. We have our good friend Raymond
with us. Raymond, how you doing brother?
Alright, I'm Raymond Newsome from Newsome Paranormal.
So guys, we have an awesome guest with us today. I want to obviously do some shout outs
real quick. I know that maybe Todd and Marissa will be joining us and maybe Steve-O. So Robin,
look out for them for me. I want to give a shout out to everyone over at Through the
Lens right now with Brian and Lex. I want to give a shout out to Brian and Lex because
I believe their podcast may have just ended or it's still going right at the moment. So
I want to give a shout out to Brian Laverty real quick, a Hunnifobia Canada who's on ParaFlex.
Please go over to ParaFlex, get your free subscription and go over and check out Hunnifobia.
Check out our friends from Beyond the Veil and True North Paranormal. I mean, just amazing
people, amazing teams doing some amazing stuff. We are live right now on ParaPost Network.
I know it's kind of hard to see because Raymond's background is pretty white like the rest of
ours, but it's all good. But we're on ParaPost Network. I'll go over to Facebook. Check out
ParaPost Network on Facebook. It's the home of a live podcast like this, live paranormal
podcast. We have live investigations, live tarot readings, all different live stuff. We
want to thank everyone who's with us right now in the comments. I'll be getting you guys
in a minute. We want to shout out to GlobalGhostHunt.com. If you have a team or you're a researcher,
you want to register for the 2023 May and October 10-day event. It's five days in May,
five days in October. Full team support, full location support. If you have a location,
make sure to jump over there as well and register on the GlobalGhostHunt site so that people
can get the exposure that you deserve along with the teams that can get their exposure
that they deserve during this event. They'll be streaming live all over the globe. It's
going to be an amazing event. I want to give a shout out to G-Team Paranormal investigators,
Patty Adams and her daughter. I want to give a huge shout out to them. We also want to
give a shout out to Patty's new podcast, the G-Team Paranormal podcast. Her daughter has
recently been on a couple episodes, so please go to Facebook, all these social medias and
check it out. We want to also give a shout out to P3 program. Three souls, what's going
on guys? Appreciate you guys for being here. Head over to the P3 program. It's basically
a program of just unity and everything in the paranormal. Please jump over there on
Facebook and all the other social medias. As well as we want to give a shout out to
Jonathan Keyworth, one of our old hosts here. I'm talking with the source from JK47 Paranormal
Investigations, doing some amazing spirit box work and spirit communication work. We
cannot be more grateful. I want to give a shout out to one of our sponsors here, Media
13, Dominic over at Media 13. We can't thank him enough for everything that he's done for
us personally and all that he does in the paranormal field with 13 souls paranormal.
Definitely go check out his work over there. Nando, what's up my brother? How are you?
Nando is part of the global ghost hunt with me and with us. I tell you, he's a great person.
Him and his wife are just absolutely amazing. I'm a little jealous though. They got to go
on an Italy trip. I'm a little jealous. I'm Italian, so I never got to go to Italy. Nando,
I'm hopping in your luggage next time, so save me some room. We want to give a shout
out to Angelina and everyone over at Bat to the Bone Paranormal. Feel free to email her
at the link below at battoftheboneparanormal.com, but check them out on YouTube and all these
social medias. I want to give a shout out to our sister, Kata, in Australia over at
Ethereal Sisters Paranormal, one of the amazing Australia teams. Please go check her out.
We wanted to actually also shout out Todd's relatively paranormal equipment. If you're
looking for some paranormal equipment, especially like SLS cameras, which he's selling them
right now with everything included, very quality, has full directions. Everything's already
set up. 64 gigabyte tablet for 285 on eBay, Etsy, Facebook Marketplace. I know that he
just had a demonic case last night that he had to deal with, so I'm pretty sure he may
not be able to jump in. Let me see if that is him or if that's... Nope, Steve-O. Hold
on. There's Steve-O, our brother.
Steve-O.
How you feeling?
Good, man. How are you guys?
Good, man. Good, good. Glad you could join us, brother. Well, guys, we have an amazing
guest today. Like I said, I may have to jump out because of work right at the moment, but
I'm going to try and make it back, but we have an amazing guest. One of our great friends,
someone that we love so dearly, and we are so happy that she's able to join us again
on this show. It's such a pleasure to be able to talk to her. Even when we talk just in
messages on Facebook, it's just absolutely so awesome. She's one of the most genuine
people in this field and someone of her caliber in this field. It's just amazing how she has
given our podcast a chance, other podcasts a chance that aren't really well known. For
her to come on, it means so much. I know that the caliber that... She probably doesn't
really realize how much we truly respect it, but it's such a warming to our heart. We want
to introduce none other than the Good Witch of Hollywood, psychic medium, Patty Negri.
Let me pull her up.
Patty.
Hey.
Hi.
My fingers flipped. Hold on. There we go.
Wait. I was here. I'm gone. Hi, you guys. Thank you for that beautiful introduction.
Thank you.
Not a problem, please. Please.
We cannot thank you enough for coming on and spending time with us, honestly, with how
busy you are, everything, making time for our small podcast. It means more than anything
we can even say.
Well, you are very welcome. I love you guys. I love coming on with you guys, so it's good.
Thank you.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Robin and Raymond, I'm going to let you guys take
this over. Robin, if you could, when I leave, it's going to rearrange some things. All you
do is you're going to take your finger. You're just going to swipe Patty over to say the
middle one so that she's right in the center for us. Sorry, Patty's messing with you there
a little.
I'm getting dizzy.
I'm going to try and hop back on. Thank you guys so much. Patty, I'll be talking to you
very soon. Thank you so much.
Okay. Bye, Jay.
All right. Bye-bye.
Bye.
Right. So I think that's actually the way he was going to have it anyway. Just before
we start, I just want to say two things. I want to say from all of us talking with the
source, RIP, the Queen, and our condolences to everybody in Britain and everybody involved.
And also, today is the 23rd anniversary of September 11th. So for everybody over there
that's affected, again, our condolences from talking with the source. Now, Patty, what's
been going on with you since the last time you were on?
Speechless. No, I've just been really busy. Everything has been going great. I've been
on the road a lot because there's so many conventions, paranormal conventions, or I'm
doing gallery readings. So pretty much every weekend, at least three or four days, when
I said before we are now, I wake up somewhere else. Where am I? Oh, I'm in Chicago. I'm
in Michigan in Michigan Paragon. Oh, no, I'm in Nevada. Oh, I'm in Australia. No, I haven't
been in Australia in a long time. I'm in Ireland. I'm in UK. And I love it. But sleeping is
something I'll figure out one of these days. But no, everything is really good. My television
stuff is gangbusters. What I love, my YouTubers, the YouTubers I work with, because again,
they have just such beautiful freedoms of what they get to do without network stuff
has been going great. And my school. We started the school last year. I don't remember when
I was on last University Magicus. I think I have 25 teachers now. Everything from Catholic
priests, exorcists, witches, vampires, who do voodoo, Satan, everything of all things,
you know, mystical and magical. We don't tell you there's any one truth, but we'll tell
you everybody's that and then paraflex. So I just, again, I, I'm learning to retalk
in complete sentences. Sounds like you've got a lot on your plate at the minute. What?
It sounds like you've got a lot on your plate at the minute. Yeah, I do. But I obviously
created that way. I mean, I do believe we create our home reality. So I like it. It's
like, I always go, Oh, I'll sleep when I'm dead. And like, Oh, no, I won't. No, not even.
I just want to quickly say before going further. Hello to David Hope, Sean Combe, who was
there earlier. Strange and trippy. See who else? Cara as well, part of the global ghost
hunt. And I know that they're not on here yet. What do I say? They're not on here yet,
but there is George Alexander and a piece variety channel. I just want to ask you a
question, Patty, about, as we were mentioning about the TV stuff there. And you did a, you
did a show with Zach Beggin about the dolls, the possessions show. Peggy the doll, Peggy
the doll. I did a seance with Peggy the doll. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I'm just, I'm fascinated
by the whole thing with these dolls and especially the Annabelle doll as to how they can cause
all these things. Yeah. They, well, energy is energy. A spirit, if you're a spirit, you
know, there's everything is energy. We're energy, nothing solid, seventh grade science.
And there's our world. There's a spirit world. There's good and bad, just like with humans,
with spirits. And if you were some spirit or some energy and you could go into an object,
you know, are you going to go into a boring bell or a plate or something that has eyes
and ears and nose and mouth? Heck, I'm going to go into a doll. Like you guys might notice
right here, my little bell, she's 105 year old Dermondoll. I got a girl sent her to me
after she saw me doing the Peggy the doll seance with Zach, who Peggy the doll, for
those who don't know, she's documented given two people heart attacks and made millions
of people sick, not millions, but lots of people sick, even seeing video of her. And
I knew Zach had flown me into Vegas to do the seance. And the night before, when I first
flew in in my hotel, my phone blew up, the TV in the hotel, it's a fancy nice hotel room
blew up. My shower was turning on and off. The lights were flashing. Everything was like,
oh, this is going to be fun. You know, that day flies got attacked for Zach. You know,
it was crazy. Again, energy, you're going to take, I mean, in a good sense too, I work
with positive fetishes and dolls and things from my kitchen, which, you know, runs my
household to whatever, but they can take on into an object, the spirit. And now my bell,
you might see her move or blink or look at you or things like that. She, I got it kind
of far away today because she freaks some people out. But a girl had sent her to me
after seeing the Peggy the doll. She figured with my permission, she figured if I could
handle Peggy the doll, I could handle bell bell had made her sick for like three years
and made her little girl sick, made their hair fall out, made them just everything.
So she saw, she goes, well, you take her. She didn't know what to do with her. She only
worked if she kept her in a drawer, which, which bell didn't like, or put her out in
the shed, which bell didn't like. So she sent her to me. And this is how strong bell was.
I had never, this was several years ago. Now I had never done a Facebook live before. Never.
I mean, I have a lot of followers, not like millions of followers. I had never done a
Facebook live. I opened her up. I'm going to open her up on guy. I don't know what I'm
getting into. Um, 50,000 people watched me open the doll, not my power, not my energy,
not my draw. It was the energy of this doll. I get like, Ooh, 300 people watch or maybe
a thousand people watched not 50,000. That was my first one ever. It was a doll energy
and I opened her up and she was dark. I would not let the sun go down before I banished
the dark energy that was in her. Cause I didn't want all my hair to fall out. I, um, and then
this beautiful, sweet little girl spirit came out. So, um, so every, with the popularness
of haunted dolls now, everybody wants a haunted doll. And I just say, be aware and use your
own in your own intuition. Cause everybody's got one. If something sounds too good to be
true and it's on eBay or on the internet and that seller happens to have 72 haunted dolls,
maybe it's not really haunted. You know, it's, it's turned into a weird thing. They want,
honestly, I think you could find better haunted dolls at a thrift store antique store. And
then again, we all have this intuition. Anybody in the paranormal field, like everybody watching
this show, you have some kind of a gift or you wouldn't even be interested in this silly
stuff unless you had some kind of a thing. So use that gift that you have to go haunted,
not haunted. You know, I, on another thing, can teach you how to call in a spirit to your
doll, but that's a different day.
Yeah. The last time you were on, if you remember, there was actually an orb came out of the
door and then ran your head.
I yeah, no, I don't remember. I don't remember yesterday. I hadn't, now what's funny, I don't
remember. I talked about this, this doll, a girlfriend sent her to me. She thought, oh,
she would keep my Peggy company. She didn't know if she was haunted or not. I was teaching
my class, my university magic class, and she was sitting here next, maybe off screen like
this. I'm talking, I'm teaching, but both my hands are visible. All of a sudden, this
doll went, I didn't even notice because I'm talking into my zoom camera like this, but
people in the class noticed I tried debunking it every which way. And I'm looking at the
doll going, the doll is not haunted. The doll is not haunted. But we did that orb thing.
I blew up the video, blew up the video, and I literally watched an orb come out from my
little sign right there into this doll, move this doll. So if something came into this
doll and literally moved it across my desk, that was trippy. But again, this doll still
is not haunted.
There goes one.
Steve or Rym and the V, any questions for Putty?
Yes. What has been your most exciting trip so far this year?
This year, well, exotic, I mean, wild and far, I think really was Ireland. I had a really
fun thing at Bosworth Hall in the UK. That was great, I think with Karen Frey. But Ireland
with having the fairy farm experience and have the fairies literally pick me up and
turn me around 180 degrees without me noticing that I had turned 180 degrees. That was pretty
trippy. I just got back as far as experiences. I was just at Joliet Prison this past weekend
with Elton and Corey and the overnight guys. And then the next night we were at Missouri
State Prison. And that was my first time at both of those. And those were pretty active
as far as, okay, a lot of prisoner ghosts.
Yeah. Steve?
All right. My phone has been acting up all day. Sorry.
You're all right.
Haunted.
Yeah, right. I got lots of energy. I live in a hundred year old house.
Me too. Yeah, that's awesome.
I know it's good. So what would you say your favorite show would be that you got to participate
in?
Oh, well, I do love Ghost Adventures because they've had me for like eight years now, a
couple shows a season. So I've done a lot of Ghost Adventures and I never know what
I'm getting into. Whatever people say about that show and there's a reason it's been on
so long because they just commit. They will have me blindfolded, thrown in the trunk of
a car practically. And if I know, I don't know what's going on. So I go in, Patty, you
tell us what happened. I used to be scared. What if I get nothing? What if I'm not psychic
today? What if I get crickets? But that hasn't happened yet. And if I do know a location,
like if I've told them about a location or something, they won't have me go in. They
want it so authentic and that makes me really happy. Really happy. And again, they're so
committed. They're like little kids. You see little kids playing and that full commitment,
they have it cranked up. So it's always fun. I just worked once so far with Jack Osborne
and Katrina Weidman on Portals to Hell. That was really fun because same thing, I didn't
know where I was going. I mean, I knew they were flying me to Memphis. That's all I knew.
And again, I like a challenge. So that was pretty fun. And again, I think other than
I can name every location and tell you what was the best about that location. I still
think the Cecil Hotel and everything I've done there is the craziest place. I did two
nights there with Ghost Adventures for their whole big Cecil Hotel. I did one long night
there with my overnight YouTuber guys. And I just did another show there called Mysteries
Decoded, a CW show. And just because that place is so dark, so depressing and sad. And
I've led Zach and the guys right to a window where he's yelling at me because I'm trying
to, I'm opening the window saying I got to get out of here. And I led them right to a
room where somebody jumped out that window. And I'm like, why is he yelling at me? Then
same thing when I was with the overnight guys. When I channeled, it's kind of like dream
state and I rock. I do, I rock. And I was rocking and I thought I was talking. I knew
it was kind of like probably a druggie talking, but I was talking, talking, talking. All they
heard was gibberish, which surprised me because I thought I was talking English. But Corey,
who I've worked with a lot and he's grown so much in his own ability, he goes, we should
play that backwards. They played it backwards. And I was speaking English backwards. That's
trippy even for me. He's like, wow. Should I put that on my resume? Cause I honestly,
I can't do, I can't even do the alphabet backwards. Like if the cops pulled me over, have you
been drinking? No. Do the alphabet backwards. I couldn't. Z, X, Y, X, Y, Z. I can't. So
I could not on my own speak English backwards. Yeah. Yes. So I think that place. Yeah. There's,
there's a lot of things about that hotel Cecil. Everybody always associates it with that,
with that young girl that went missing in there. But I think it's not the hotel where
there was also a, wasn't it a serial killer that was standing there? Two. Richard Ramirez,
Richard Ramirez. And he was killing people when he lived there. And then some other German
serial killer had got out of jail for killing people and came to America and started killing
people here. Yeah. And more suicides, more murders, more people jumping out windows,
throwing babies out windows. That place, it's had so much darkness attached to it. It was
built to be a beautiful, like fancy place in the day, in the, in the twenties, but then
the depression hit and it was always, always a place of sadness and depression. And just
walking up to it, you just start feeling like this hopelessness. My first time through,
I mean, a rat didn't even want to let me in. Yeah. We're downtown. We're by Skid Row and
there's rats, but rats usually scurry away. They might startle you, but this rat would
like I'd go right and the rat would go right and I'd go left and the rat would go left.
We're dancing in the middle of the street going, this is weird. Is he, is he possessed
or is he protecting me? I don't know. It just starts overtaking you. It's downtown LA as
well, isn't it? Yeah. It's downtown LA and there's so much energy down there. I just,
cause I do a lot of clearings of homes. I just cleared this beautiful apartment right
across the street from the Cecil. I had to put so much extra protection cause it was
oozing up from the street that again, it just vibrates the energy and it's sadness. And
what scares me about now and what I'm planning to do, I haven't officially announced it yet.
Maybe now is it's, it's a 700 room hotel and it's empty, but now they're moving in homeless
people, which concept is great or people it's called section eight housing, people who can't
afford housing and we need it. People are on the street, but that is the worst place
they can be moving people into you guys. That place makes happy, sane people want to kill
themselves and get depressed and feel hopeless. And it really has, it's really affects anybody
with a mental imbalance or maybe drug or alcohol problem, which is most of the people moving
in and I want to do, maybe if I can pull it together by the fall equinox, I want to do
a great big, let's everybody gather and like bless the Cecil hotel. They probably won't
let us in, but every healer, shaman, witch, rabbi, priest, Reiki master, I don't care
with love and life to get in there and just clear that place. So I don't want to say,
don't use these 700 rooms, but people don't want to move in. Um, last time I was there,
I snuck my way in, I bribed my way in. It's not hard. Um, um, the people who, the only
30 people had moved in so far out of the 700 rooms and you're off because it's so icky
and already those people walking in were like zombies more than they would have been and
already ambulances are pulling up. So it needs clearing of the Nth degree. So I just, and
I don't even know one person could do it. So if I could gather everybody, uh, how they
probably won't let us in. I mean, but a big hold hands, Kumbaya standing around the Cecil
hotel, clear it. So those people can live there a little bit safer. Yeah. That's what
I want to do.
Hey Jay, you're back.
I am back. I am back. You know, I, Patty, I didn't give you the warning that I would
be putting you full screen sometimes.
Oh, that's okay.
I apologize.
Are you finished work now?
Yeah, listen, I just heard you guys talking about Cecil hotel and um, I had to tell my
boss, listen, I'm sorry, but Patty's with us. I got to stay too bad for work right at
the moment. So,
Yay!
The thing, the thing that I was saying though, I was saying to Patty a minute ago, AJ was
with the, with the Cecil hotel, everybody associates it, you know, when you mentioned
the name of it, oh yes, that girl went missing, but there was so much else going on in there
apart from that, that it always sort of gets overlooked.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand. Yeah. No, I totally feel you. I mean, that episode was
absolutely crazy that the Cecil hotel episode with you guys. I mean, I can't even imagine
what you were feeling when you walked in Patty, because of all the energy there. I mean, I,
I mean, I'm not, I'm nowhere near as sensitive as you, but I'm sensitive and let me tell
you, the energy I feel is just amazing. So I can't feel, I can't imagine what you feel.
Yeah. Again, and that's really what it was. That was, I didn't know where I was going.
Zach had called me a couple of weeks before and he said, okay, we're coming to LA and
we're going to need you for something. Okay. Great. Didn't hear from him. Two weeks, two
weeks. Then I get, I'm down at my brother's, which I'm a little bit out of town and it's
like, Hey Zach, can you get here? So it was down in two hours. And I'm like, two hours,
you know, I'm a girl. It's like, uh, did I brush my hair today? Did I do have time to
put on lipstick? I'm not, and I swear he didn't tell me it was the Cecil. He just said, I
think he just said, uh, downtown address, blah, blah, blah. So I didn't know. So I'm
driving. Yeah. And I, and I saw the sign. I saw the water towers. I go, Oh, that's that
Alyssa lamb place. Just like Robin said that that's that Alyssa. I didn't even know. Cause
I don't research things. So I didn't even know the Richard Ramirez stuff because again,
it is over like, but that's where I parked my car and I'm walking up the street and the
rat didn't want to let me in. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I have a call time. I have to get
there and a rat won't let me in. I'm negotiating with the rat middle of the street. And then
I walk in and the building's already taken over me. And then there's Zach and Aaron and
all the guys like already their cameras strapped on. They've already been there for a while
going, okay, Patty, here we go. 700 rooms all unlocked. You go and you tell us where
to go. And I'm already going into like, ha ha ha ha. And then like, okay, we go in the
elevator. I'm like, Oh, this is that elevator. This is the Alyssa lamb. Is it the elevator
gate is like, ah, yeah, I remember when I remember when you hold on one sec. Sorry about
that. I remember when you were when you were last time on and you were talking about the
rat and I was just laughing to seeing that in my head. I was just laughing because I
could totally picture that. Like the rat just being like, listen, no, you're not going in.
I know. Don't go. Don't go. Don't go. Don't go. Stay outside. It's much safer. Yeah,
right. Yeah. You would not think that right. One thing I wanted to ask you was I mean,
Steve, oh, and also now Robin, too, we've been doing obviously a lot of spirit communication.
We use a lot of obviously spirit boxes, certain devices like that. And Steve has this technique
where he will actually use his own audio source, like he'll pick different types of audio clips.
So reverse them, make sure that they're completely no words, no, no phrases. And then he'll feed
it into his portal device, which will have a reverse delay and some reverb, different
types of frequencies used into the box. And I tell you, some of the responses are absolutely
amazing. I mean, right, Steve, the last one I just shared about your guys, I mean, tell
tell a little bit about what was going on in some of those sessions with that. I mean,
that was with the miracle box. We talk about the ones with your your regular audio. Steve,
oh, you're my fault, buddy. There we go. There you go. Yeah, sort of delayed today. Anyway,
so basically, I can use any type of audio. It could be like my wife and I have been in
this for almost 10 years. And I can reverse that chop it up. And I'll feed it through
my box. And what I'm looking for is no matter if I use like the HSB one or the miracle box
or any other type of app, what I'm looking for is the same type of validation that I
get from those when it comes through the source of audio that I'm using through my box. And
I mean, the angels, the guides, the spirits that come through are just tremendous. They
just take on to it and use it. You know, recently I've made a two pop one I've been trying to
get in contact with him. And, you know, I did one with his own voice and the spirits
even go as far as changing his voice in that audio to their own voice. So I mean, like,
when I ask about a certain question and they're like, Pock's mother is right. And I've already
listened to all this audio and there's nothing in the audio that, you know, could be a false
positive to that. So I mean, what comes through is truly amazing.
Wow, that's amazing. I think with all the development you got, you, you, you, you tech
beautiful people that you guys that I'm not inventing all this stuff. I think spirits are
really like learning to use it. What I like about it is a validation. You know, I've been
saying for years that spirits going like this, but now there's an SLS camera or something
that will show that what's going on in a different room, but it gets stronger and stronger. I
think like my phone is getting more and more possessed by the day.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, there's more and more, there's more and more things that, that's,
that's happening. And us as a group, I find that, you know, me, AJ and Steve, especially,
we sort of come up with new ideas each and different ideas and stuff like that. But it
all comes back to communication. I mean, I've started a thing on my party where I'm calling
it the celebrity cemetery series, or I'm going to a cemetery over here where there's a celebrity
buried and I'm not saying who it is. And I'm asking the spirits that are there, can they
give me the name? I've done one so far and they've said the name multiple times. So it's
again, it's what you said is validation is validating what's happening with the person
that's there. They're validating that, you know, I mean,
yeah, it's, it's, it's technology with the psychic ability is crashing together, just
like science and spirituality is crashing together into the quantum sciences, quantum
mechanics, quantum everything. That's the same thing with again, validation for all
this stuff. It's, I love it. I wanted to ask you, Patty, about that.
Actually, I wanted to ask. So now with in America, with all these, with obviously you're
in California, correct? All the way out there. Yeah. So you've already had legal marijuana
out there for a long time. And I don't want to, the reason why I want to get on this subject
is I want to ask you with people using more now that type of substance, well, that obviously
number one, open up the third eye for people and will it raise the consciousness of people
with the more people doing it? Because I was wondering, does that affect anything with
psychic at all in someone's body? Since I know psychedelics obviously do, but there's
something along that line. I, well, I think that's as individual as
everything else. If you're just, if you're doing it just to relax and you're just doing
it to relax, if you're doing it to get high and party, then you're doing it to get high
with party. Remember intention is everything. If you're going, okay, I'm going to eat this
out of bowl. I can smoke this joint or whatever. It's like for my psychic development, you're
going to get psychic openness or development out of it. But I really think it's intent.
The whole world having marijuana legal, I don't know, it smells good walking down the
street, but I don't know that that unless we choose it to change our consciousness,
if it really will. Okay. Yeah. Cause I know like with like ayahuasca
and stuff like that, obviously people have that intent going in. So I figured it was
intent. I figured it was different. Yeah. So I was just wondering, I have friends that
didn't, that when we were younger and they use like mushrooms, like a psychic dog like
that. So Simon, they would have a spiritual experience, but wouldn't like, it wasn't like
they were intending to have a spiritual experience or even thought like that when they were using
it. How do we explain that? Well, I think number one, if you're talking
youth, when you're younger, we're more open, we're less set in our ways, we're less jaded.
When I work with young people now in whatever sense, whether it's YouTubers or tick tockers
or in my classroom setting, they are more open. They are less set in their way. So they're
more likely to have a spiritual experience because it's there. Other than that. Yeah.
I think that would be, and it is again, marijuana is different. Cannabis is different than psilocybin
is a psychotropic. That opens up DMT opens up ayahuasca. They are a different kind of
a drug, a psychotropic drug different than what marijuana is.
Okay. Yeah. No, I know exactly what you're talking about. I was just wondering because
I know some people obviously had experiences with marijuana, but obviously that intent
probably might've been there too as well. But like I said, like when we talked last
time and you told us, I was all about a 10, I've been seeing that constantly throughout
all my research from the beginning. So I know exactly what you're talking about, but yeah,
no, I know that the two are different. I just was wondering, like, I wonder if you thought
it would ever raise consciousness a little bit in people. I mean, obviously some people
are using it to relax, like you said, in different things, but I just wanted to know if you thought
that.
Well, I think the way that it could do it, you know, just by nature of its being is by,
because we know if for raising consciousness, it's that dance between the left logical brain
and the right intuitive brain. Left logical brain gets us through livestock. It's a science
pay your rent. Right is the spiritual, the connection, your psychic ability, your artistic
side. I think maybe just the THC itself, the cannabis itself can relax that over chatty
brain in some people. Some people, again, depends on the strain, just depends on what
you're doing. Is it sativa? Is it, you know, is it whatever that is? But if you can shut,
if it gets shut down or over judgmental self-limiting brain that can do it on its own.
Okay. Yeah. No, I just wanted to know, because I've been seeing so many people now with the
raise of it going up, especially where I live on the East Coast, since we've been like,
they've been legalizing it like crazy over here. And I was just wondering, like, I wonder
if it would do anything to, you know, the world consciousness in general, people that
aren't really that technical spiritual, if they have like a spirit with it. I was just
wondering if that could raise the consciousness of somebody and stuff like that along those
lines. But you, you explained it perfectly. So I really appreciate it.
Yeah. And that and the gentleness to it. Again, you don't want to go out and slug anybody
in the head when you're high. So it's like, yeah, cool. Yeah. That will raise the consciousness.
Not like let's go fight. It's like, yeah, you know. Yeah. That's why I was wondering.
I was wondering if that could raise the consciousness of the world, because I, there's so much spirituality
in the world. Yeah. I love it. I mean, I love how much it's coming into play now in people's
lives and everything like that. Like, you don't actually technically have to be just
religious. You're, you could be spiritual and not be religious. You know what I mean?
So I love how the world is coming. And I see the consciousness of everybody growing every
day and every year that comes on. Sometimes in certain instances, it feels like they're
dropping a little, but you know, I think we're doing good.
I think we're doing great. The divide. Yes. Is getting bigger. The non-spiritual, non-awakened
people, they're going to sleep by the droves and falling out of the trees by growth. But
I think you're right. More and more spirituality. Cause times are scary. Traditionally, whenever
times are scary, worldwide pandemics, worldwide unrest, traditionally over the years and hundreds
of years, when things got really scary, people would go to religion. They'd go to whatever.
They go back to church, go back to temple. That's not holding up for everybody. So people
are getting more alternative, new spirituality, old paganism, new age, whatever. And some
people don't even want that, but they want to know, wait, there's more than what's out
there. There's more than what I could just see on my TV screen. They're becoming paranormal
investigators and they're finding it back door. They want to know that there's more
than they see this is going on and unrest here. They want to know, I don't want religion.
I don't even want spirituality, but I have to know there's more than this three-dimensional.
So they're discovering ghosts. And then from ghosts, they usually back door in, oh, there
must be something behind this. And then they may discover a spirituality or a path or belief
system that will serve them. Because I think your belief system is just so you can navigate
whatever one. You take a typical Judeo-Christian one, you take a new age one, you take a pagan
one, you make up your own, you take an atheist one, but it's to navigate life.
Thank you. Yeah. No, I love the way you just put that. I love that. It's so true too, because
I've been seeing it a lot. I mean, look how many paranormal investigators, like teams
that we had in 2000 compared to now, like at least, I mean, I think it was only up to
like the minimum might've been like less than 10,000, I think back in like 2000. And then
now it's over a million. You know what I mean? It's just amazing to see how many people now
are, are exceeding. It's not Brian DeBone anymore. They used to be. Yeah. No. Yeah.
It's crazy. No, because people need to know there's something more and they, and they
know there is something more and they want to figure out a way to go there. I mean, look
at how many channel, like what you guys have with what we have with Paraflex, what discovery
travel to all those, it's not going away. It's just getting bigger. Yeah. Yeah. I've
got a question for Patty. It's going to turn into two questions, but I'm in an assessment,
right? This is good. I want to know, Patty, what is your opinions on UFOs and what is
your opinion on the 1947 Roswell incident? Because, because I was going to announce this
now. So you're hearing this first as well. We have a guest that's going to come on here,
hopefully November time. And it's Jesse Marcel, who is the grandson of Jesse Marcel, who found
the parts on Roswell and the field. That's awesome. Well, I think that they have to exist.
I forget what philosopher who was it that said it's, it frightens me to think that there
is life on other planets, but it frightens me more to think if there wasn't of this endless
universe. I think it was, I forget who it was. I think it was, I don't know who it was.
I don't remember who it was, but, but that is a beautiful quote. And of course we can't
be the only ones here. I honestly think some of my little friends I talked to when I was
a kid probably were extraterrestrial. One of my mentors, one of my teachers, Maximilian
de Lafayette, who sort of in some ways put me on the map with some things was he's an
expert in ET stuff, a lot of Anunnaki stuff. He speaks 21 languages, most of them ancient
like ancient Sumerian, which gets into Anunnaki. So in my seances as a role, ghosts will come,
elementals will come, all sorts of things, but ET is not so much. He gave me the words
to say in Anunnaki, which is ancient Sumerian and all these grid lines, the sigils and symbols
and sacred geometry. Guess what? Something else came. I was with an actress, I can't
say who, in my backyard in Hollywood and it's like, holy, wow, okay, you're not a ghost,
you're not an angel, you're not a demon, you're not an elf, you're otherworldly. And it was
really cool. So we did it again with a group. I don't remember if there were six or eight
of us, dear friends and all mediums, all gifted mediums, all top of the line. And we did this
thing, we had the words and the sounds that he gave us, the toning that he gave us and
these sigils and symbols all drawn out. All of a sudden, each one of them took on a different,
literally like a body movement or a sound or a toning or an octave thing. And then one
started channeling and we're moving. It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life.
And then one starts doing that channeling, like when you see people who, hello, loved
ones, was doing that. And then this big thing laid its big arm across my dining room table.
It's like, Oh yeah, they're there. Wow. I couldn't imagine that. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
But they still don't seem to come to the same. If I'm lifting the veil to do a seance, they
don't, it must be different dimensions. It must be different dimensions. They don't,
they don't cross. I don't know what that is. Yeah. Wow. It must be something on their end.
Yeah. Well, maybe if we're tapping into whatever to get into the ghosty world or the, you know,
the everything else realm and ET's maybe are on a higher vibration, lower vibration, just
different vibration. I don't have an answer. I love it. I see it's so fascinating. It's
something that I could talk about all day long every day. I mean, just the theories
that are out there that you can totally contemplate on and see that, yes, you know what, these
actually seem plausible. It's just amazing how many that, you know, there are like, I
mean, not with the ET stuff, but just in general about the paranormal. And I mean, even with
the ET stuff, like it kind of scares me almost in a way. Like it kind of does, like I'm okay
with the ghosts and spirits and stuff, but, you know, I don't know about reaching out
too much to UFOs and ET's yet. You know what I mean? I'm not quite there. I'm kind of there
with you. That's why I haven't gone, gotten real big into that world. I know I, I've studied
religion and philosophy and cosmologies for so long. Give me an Egyptian spirit. Give
me a Greek spirit. Give me a demonic, give me a this, give me that. I know how to talk
to you. ET? Ah, right. They don't have to follow our rules. What? I don't know. Exactly.
That's exactly how I feel. I'm like, I don't even know what, what you would expect. I mean,
I give these people from SETI5 that go out and have these experiences that they film.
I'm like, I give you guys a lot of credit because seeing one of those ships that they
caught that were right in like literally 400, 500 yards in front of them that they have
a picture of that manifested out of nowhere. I'm like, I would be scared. That ship was
huge and that could fit all of us. I can't put down the slowest one and make it, but
you know what I mean? It's taken all of us. So that's kind of the thing.
It's just, it's just really these guys that come out about that. I mean, you know, back
in the day they were risking their lives to come out and say what they've seen and what
they've done. But to me, if it's not real, why would you bother risking your life about
it? Yeah. You know what I mean? It doesn't make sense. If there's something there and
you're sworn to secrecy over it, then you're obviously, you've taken that oath from whoever
it was, whether it was the military or whatever, that sworn you to secrecy over it. So you're
really risking yours and probably your family's life by actually coming out. So for them to
actually do that, there has to be something in it.
Patty, I wanted to not switch it for a sec, but I wanted to actually ask you if you could
talk a little bit about more about your classes this time and also about your podcast, The
Witching Hour with Patty Negri. Yeah. And a new one to announce. Yes. My school,
it's called UniversityMagicus.com, magic with a K, of course, M-A-G-I-C-K-U-S, magic with
a K for everybody who doesn't know. Magic with a C, M-A-G-I-C means you do card tricks
and you pull a rabbit out of a hat. Magic with a K means you move energy and get into
other more spiritual realms. So UniversityMagicus, we call it a real life Hogwarts because we
want it approachable for everybody. I have 25 teachers now and everything from witchy
people, new age people, reiki masters, astrologers, Catholic priests, Bishop Long teaches for
us, Father Sebastian vampirism, we have Don Webb teaching vampirism, Richard Lael teaches
Satanism, he's the sweetest Satanist you ever met, just bringing in crypto teachers, all
things very left of center. We don't tell you anything is this is a fact, this is somebody's
version, you figure out your truth, like I think a mystery school should be. You make
your own conclusions. I either teach witchy stuff like spell casting, animal familiars,
pagan wheel of the year, but I mostly teach mediumship development, psychic development,
psychic protection. We have a paranormal investigator, Stefan Brigati, teaches psychic protection.
We have a lot of Nordic stuff, Kedric Olsen teaches both paranormal stuff and going into
the Nordic forums. So it's great and what's really great, if we have about 10 classes
a week, they're affordable. No one can not afford to, I mean almost no one. If you just
buy one class it's like $25, but if you go, oh I like this, you can come regularly, they
literally average like $10 a class. Like $10 a month to get you one class, $20 gets you
two class. So we're live zoomed just like this, you know, little talking heads, small
intimate group. And for the people who can't come since we are international, like if I'm
teaching a 6pm class on the west coast, it's 9pm on the east coast, but all my UK friends
it's 2am and they fall asleep during class, so they get it on video the next day. So that's
about the school. So I'm just really proud because that is my big, my whole gig is about
not being on TV and not just talking to dead people. It's about empowering. Humans, we
are such amazing beings and we tend to give away our power a lot to other people, to limiting
belief systems, to fear. And it's about grabbing it back. So that's what the school does.
And the same thing, my Witching Hour podcast is my guest. I have amazing guests, the best in the
field. Again, very much a witchy bent to most or getting into paranormal too. But so it's
entertaining and it's educational, whether it's beauty magic or home magic or this magic or that
magic. And much more for fun through Halloween, as long as my Witching Hour, which is available
everywhere, all formats and now also on my YouTube and now also now that I've got out of an exclusive
contract on Paraflex. But as of this week, we're going live with my new one, which is for fun,
the Witches Movie Coven. If you like movies and you like witch movies, I am with two experts. I'm
with Heather Green and Jason Manke. She wrote the book on witches in movies from the 1800s when
movies were invented, everything how witches and witching and paranormal has been made in books.
And Jason also is so the three of us cackle and get together and grab your popcorn. And we're
going to talk about everything from Wizard of Oz to practical magic to the craft to TV. And it's
just fun. And it's it's live starting this Wednesday. Last week, we did a taped version
where people can like you guys call in and talk to us. So that's starting out on YouTube, my page,
and we'll see where I haven't talked to Natalie yet, maybe on Paraflex, but the Witches Movie
Coven. So just then that one's for fun. Plus, you know, what's good and bad how they represent
the craft. Awesome. Oh, man, I'm excited. Great. Yeah, that's gonna be a great doll. That's gonna
be a great series for sure. 100%. I got to definitely tune in for that. I want to ask you
about a recent podcast one. It was the one that you had Katrina Weidman on about the Portals to
Hell show and how you guys were talking about that whole experience. Would you like to enlighten a
little bit on that episode and on the experience? I don't want to because if I do, I'm going to tell
all of it. So I'll let you do it so people can still watch. Yeah, no, that was really, that was
really fun. And I almost had to cut everything that I teach. I almost caught myself on that.
Again, I didn't know where I was going. I never do. And I was thrilled to be working with them
because that's a show I hadn't worked yet. I was in Dallas at the time doing an educational weekend.
So they picked me up from Dallas and I knew I was flying to Memphis, but that's all I knew.
I didn't know where I was, you know, they drive you around and they put you in a building. You
don't know where it is. And it was, I knew it was a bar. That's all I knew. And Jack was really
great and Katrina was really great. And I must say the producers, before you even walk in, and I'm
sort of used to this, but not to their extent, they go, now, even if you're 100% right on,
you are naming names telling down to the color of their underpants, Katrina and Jack will just look
at you and go, okay, okay. They won't lead you in like you wobbles right or whatever. I mean,
and that's kind of like that, but like Katrina could be a professional poker player if she wanted,
both of them could. And, but I'm like, okay, that's fine. I'm not used to that. I'm not,
no one has to lead me into something. But, but when we were there, the weirdest thing happened to me.
And it was literally, I just like, I went kind of like this, and Katrina and they're like, what
happened? What, what, what? And my stupid left brain that I teach people, got that go, let that
go. That's just going to shut you down. Got in the way going, you can't tell them that. That's the
dumbest thing I ever heard. And I almost threw it away. I kind of go, oh, well, this kind of bird
just flew by me, the spirit bird in. And I almost, and luckily I did say it, I got past myself a
little bit, little, be known to me, the whole episode sort of really was about this, this woman,
or part of it, this woman's son had passed and this bird was coming into the bar all the time.
And then some probably ghost spirit woman had come in and given her a bird necklace. And had I not
been brave enough to just go get out of my own damn way and not said anything, I could have just said,
oh, something just flew by. But I went, no, a bird, a bird. I know that's weird. You know,
at least I didn't say, I know that's weird, but I almost busted myself. So yeah, that was wild.
I, I actually, the funny part about that was when I watched it and I saw that part, I did see you
hesitate at first, but I'm like, no, no, we're going to find out. We're going to find out. So to
hear that come out of your mouth and say that you almost listened to what you teach not to that's
so, you know, I think that's just a great thing in itself, not because it happened in such a
vulnerable thing to happen in that situation. But I think it's great because it shows your students
and everybody also that like, listen, even I kind of may make a mistake like that in a certain
situation. So please, it's okay to do that. But I saw that part and I'm so happy to comment on that.
Yeah. And, and it, it forever will. We're human. We are going to screw up always, always. We are
not going to rise to the occasion a million times. We are not going to make our best choices all the
time. We have to make that okay. You know, until we are someone almighty God or something. No.
And, and if we ever think the second, I think I know everything or the second I think I've got
it all, you know, throw me off a cliff. That's when you start getting in trouble. No, we are forever
learning. We are forever developing. We are forever growing and we have to. Oh, look at this. We have
a Wayne Precha. Hi everyone. I'm an aspiring paranormal investigator. Well, hey, very nice to
meet you. Glad you're tuning in. Um, we were just actually talking about, I hope you saw it. I'm not
sure if you did or not, but Patty, please shout out your classes because this may be able to help
him get started. Yes. Universitymagicus.com university regular spelling m-a-g-i-c-k-u-s.com.
From there, we have a Patreon again that's starting at $10 a month. Universitymagicus.com. I posted it
on all my social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, everything. Um, just make sure it's the
real me. I will never contact you until you need a reading and ask for money. Never. Just saying. I've
got, I've got that thing going on that so many people do now. I tell you, you know, like, yeah,
I've seen something. Get your own life. Right. Yeah. I've seen something the other week you put on
Instagram and you put on Facebook about, uh, people were putting on that they were patty neggry,
but they were putting two eyes at the end and stuff like that. And they were, they were asking
for money for that. And you actually put a post on saying, this isn't me. Yeah. I had to do that
many times. What kills me is like, again, I don't, it's not even in my ethical. I don't tell anybody
that somebody can come to me. I don't contact them. I don't use your techniques. I don't say,
but when somebody like somebody who might like, I just sent you $600. I'm like, I have nothing that
costs $600. And you did not send me $600. You probably sent some weird guy who doesn't have a
psychic bone in his body sitting there in his tidy whiteys and his base mother's basement, $600. But
you don't, not me. I will never ask, but the thing that got me, I was doing a thing with my,
my dear friend, Patty Stanger, we were at the Winchester mystery. She's the billionaire matchmaker.
Oh my God. She's great. Um, on Bravo forever. So we were doing a thing at the Winchester mystery
house and this beautiful little 13 year old girl was with us and she was just, her eyes were opening
up. You could tell she's really gifted. She was a blossoming paranormal investigator. I'm somebody
gave her a K two meter. Oh, that's cool. A little 13 year old girl, one of those fake people contacted
her cause they probably saw it online and got $130. So, you know, out of a 13 year old girl,
that's just, that's how low do you go? Somebody you know, as a child, you know, as a kid,
$130 is a lot to anybody. It's a really lot to a 13 year old kid. Yeah. And, ah, yeah.
That is so sad. Yeah. The thing is, the thing as well is we, we can all sort of help in that as
well because you know, obviously we're, we're all like friends on Facebook and Instagram and stuff
with Patty. So if we see these posts going on, we can always post, look, this isn't Patty.
Yeah. Now that I know that someone's doing that, cause I didn't know you were going through that
Patty. If I knew that, I keep my eyes out. So now I'll definitely, but every time I seen that
party had always been on before me saying, this isn't me. I will never DM you unless the only
person I would, I might DM one of you answering you and would not anybody I don't. And I never
tell them I need to read. I don't, I just don't. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta be careful. We'll put a post
on and say it's not you. Thank you. And report just people have to report these people.
Anyway, but anyway, thank you. That's not a good place to end. No, no, no, no worries. No worries.
Listen, one more time though, please shout out your school for everyone because I want people
to really check it out. I've been actually checking it out myself. And your YouTube and any other
things. Yes. I would love to see you in class. Any of you guys, again, all levels from somebody
who wants to be aspiring to the biggest pros. And then some of the biggest pros we go, will you teach
for us too? We're bringing in. So yeah, university magic us.com. M A G I C K U S.com. We have sent
out event rights and this all my social media, which is Patty Negri psychic medium. It actually
does have a blue check on Facebook. It doesn't on Instagram for some reason. Instagram is Patty.negri
Twitter, Patty Negri, Patty Negri.com is where you can get to all the right everything, including my
YouTube page. And my web, my podcast with the witching hour. And again, I give lots of free
information all the time. Videos. You want to see my money? So there's a video on it. You want to
see this? There's a video, but my home base, you can get to everything legitimately is from patty
negri.com. One last thing I wanted to say was I've actually been watching the lessons that you've
been giving on YouTube and stuff, the money lessons, the candle lessons, the everything. I mean,
it's been absolutely awesome. And me and John, I know you've talked to John, our old host that
was on here. Um, me and him are doing like, uh, like we're going to do that lemon, um, protection
spell. Yes. I tell you, he's been talking to me about it nonstop. He's like, I can't wait to do
it. I'm thinking about doing it live and all this stuff. And I'm like, well, you know, I might have
to try it with you then, because you know, it's always a good thing to have the, you know,
protection for. So I really appreciate you doing that. So you're welcome. That is so simple.
The lemon on crossing spell. Um, it gets rid of negative cause so many people think they're
cursed. Honestly, 99% of curses aren't real. We create them them myself. You know, it's like,
Oh, I think I'm cursed. And then we start creating self-fulfilling prophecy, but it gets rid of bad
luck, negativity, selfish, anything anybody sends to you purposely or not. It costs you one lemon
and a plate of salt. That's it. Sour spell to sour fruit. You must go. It's old. It's not, I
didn't invent it. My version of it's old fashioned Southern root magic folk magic. So powerful.
Cool. No, I can't wait to try it because I'm really interested in it, you know, because I,
just in case as an investigator, if you ever, you know, have an attachment or anything,
it's good to have. So yes, yes. Georgia and, and I'm sorry, I can't say your last name,
my friend, but George, he said, witching hours on when? Well, it's on all the time since it's
streaming. It's we drop on Monday. So I'll have a new one coming out tomorrow. But if you go to
audible pod, bean, apple, the witching hour with Patty Negri, there is other witching hours out
there since it's a great word, which are with Patty Negri or Google Patty Negri, witching hour,
you can get it. It's like on 20 different platforms. Now I'm also getting it video on my
YouTube and I'm just doing it by season on Paraflex. But if you Google witching hour,
Patty Negri, if you like pod bean, go there. If you like apple, go there. If you like audible,
go there. If you like Spotify, go there. It's everywhere. Thank you so much for sharing that.
Well, I just want to say thank you so much for coming. I mean, that's always, always,
I'm proud of you. You guys are great. Keep up the good work. One more question before you go.
Will you come on again sometime? Of course. Oh yeah. After Halloween season though,
after Halloween season. Oh, of course. Of course. Because I won't be speaking in full sentences,
there are this next, next month and a half. See, it's already happening. Yeah. There you go. Well,
hey, thank you so much. Hi, Sarah. Thank you for stopping by. Thank you everybody. Thanks guys.
Hey, have a good day. We have a couple minutes backstage.
Real fast. I'm supposed to go into my podcast, but yes, I will.
I will. We'll actually message you. No worries. Okay. But okay. Call me. Talk to me later. We will.
Bye guys. Thank you. Love you. Bye. Bye.
Wow guys. Such an awesome episode, man. I'm so happy that I was just like, you know what?
I'm going to tell them I have something that came up real quick and I'll go run in there right now
as we get off. Work had to wait. I'm sorry. Work had to wait. This was actually good. And,
you know, are you going back nine? Yeah. Cause you know, I just, I mean, today, like I said,
it wasn't supposed to be my first day here. So I want to get back there. I'm just actually
covering for someone because they came out, but everyone who's watching, thank you so much for
watching. This is going to be up on our Facebook, on our YouTube, all over the place. So please join
us guys below Raymond or Steve. Oh, thank you so much guys for joining Steve. Oh, thank you for
sharing that too with us and Raymond always good seeing you. My brother. I'll be talking to you in
a little bit as well. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. And I tell you, obviously one of our, one of our
favorite guests for the show. She is, uh, I always, you know, talks to us away from, away from talking
with the source and stuff like that. So, you know, really, really down to earth person. And obviously
I can say she'll be on again. So 100%. So before we go, we're going to show a couple of commercials
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