WEBVTT 00:01:13.460 --> 00:01:16.099 What's going on, everybody? This is AJ Capasso 00:01:16.099 --> 00:01:18.439 here from Talking With The Source. I'm here with 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:21.239 my beautiful girlfriend, Tammy Lee. Tammy, how 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:24.239 are you today, my love? I'm doing great. It's 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.000 been a great day. Yeah, today's been a really 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:28.560 good day. It started off really chilly, though. 00:01:35.939 --> 00:01:41.159 Yeah, it was great. Sorry for the little cut 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:42.819 out there. We probably have a little issue with 00:01:42.819 --> 00:01:44.719 the internet right at the moment, but that's 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:48.420 all right. 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We have... um 00:02:55.580 --> 00:02:58.680 an amazing man he's a he's been a great friend 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.780 of us ever since we got in contact with him um 00:03:01.780 --> 00:03:05.139 his name is father bob bailey let me bring him 00:03:05.139 --> 00:03:14.879 forward hey father how are you great good to 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:20.180 be out with you guys i really appreciate your 00:03:20.180 --> 00:03:22.460 time and thank you so much for making time for 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:26.259 us because i know you're very busy No problem. 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:29.979 So, babe, do you want to start off with the first 00:03:29.979 --> 00:03:33.639 question, or do you want me to? Oh, me, you can 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.580 start. Okay. So, I wanted to ask you, what we 00:03:37.580 --> 00:03:41.180 want to tell our viewers a little bit about yourself, 00:03:41.500 --> 00:03:45.099 a little bit about what you do, and just basically 00:03:45.099 --> 00:03:50.580 whatever you want to tell us. Okay. Well, I may... 00:03:51.310 --> 00:03:53.909 A Roman Catholic priest. I'm retired right now. 00:03:54.669 --> 00:03:56.870 Retired a little early because of some health 00:03:56.870 --> 00:04:05.430 issues. But still a priest, which has now freed 00:04:05.430 --> 00:04:11.069 me up, actually, to explore more of helping with 00:04:11.069 --> 00:04:14.349 the paranormal. I don't have a parish anymore 00:04:14.349 --> 00:04:16.290 and those responsibilities that I used to have. 00:04:17.189 --> 00:04:21.509 But I've been a priest for... 33 years or so 00:04:21.509 --> 00:04:26.750 and, you know, various places. But I've had an 00:04:26.750 --> 00:04:30.170 interest in the paranormal since I was a child. 00:04:31.430 --> 00:04:35.209 And it mostly began with what I call Catholic 00:04:35.209 --> 00:04:38.689 paranormal, miracles, apparitions, visions, and 00:04:38.689 --> 00:04:44.829 things like that. But I always had an inner sense 00:04:44.829 --> 00:04:50.050 of the battle between good and evil. and feeling 00:04:50.050 --> 00:04:54.629 a calling to be part of that. And so when I became 00:04:54.629 --> 00:04:58.529 a priest and then learned and came in contact 00:04:58.529 --> 00:05:02.470 with people in the paranormal who sought out 00:05:02.470 --> 00:05:07.370 my help as a priest, I then saw what I thought 00:05:07.370 --> 00:05:10.129 was a calling within a calling, and that is to 00:05:10.129 --> 00:05:14.209 help in the area of spiritual warfare and the 00:05:14.209 --> 00:05:18.550 spiritual battle. And so I'd been on... different 00:05:18.550 --> 00:05:23.509 podcasts and different things but mostly uh i've 00:05:23.509 --> 00:05:27.889 been helping people uh that have asked for help 00:05:27.889 --> 00:05:31.110 that i can actually get to uh to help them with 00:05:31.110 --> 00:05:36.769 issues whether it be deliverance itself or what 00:05:36.769 --> 00:05:44.009 i call uh liberations over home or places wow 00:05:44.009 --> 00:05:47.259 that's amazing that is awesome That is such great 00:05:47.259 --> 00:05:49.779 work. And I'm so happy that you're doing that 00:05:49.779 --> 00:05:51.279 for people because that's absolutely amazing. 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.040 And I find it absolutely amazing that you're 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.139 able to, you know, you had an interest in the 00:05:57.139 --> 00:05:59.939 paranormal growing up and then you get into, 00:06:00.019 --> 00:06:02.079 you know, this clergy work and then all of a 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.500 sudden you kind of can't really get into the 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:06.860 paranormal stuff. And then when you get out, 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:09.180 you actually are able to. And I find it amazing 00:06:09.180 --> 00:06:12.279 that you're able to now use your work as a tool 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:16.180 to help others even further. And I find that 00:06:16.180 --> 00:06:18.839 absolutely amazing. So I commend you, my friend. 00:06:19.980 --> 00:06:23.180 Thank you. Thank you. I did it before, but it's 00:06:23.180 --> 00:06:25.439 just not on the level that I am doing it now. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:30.199 And I'm really happy about that. That's great. 00:06:30.620 --> 00:06:36.459 That's great. So I know that, let's see, if I'm 00:06:36.459 --> 00:06:40.920 correct, you have your own, was it the Holy Sword 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:46.839 Apostling? That's correct. I mean, years ago, 00:06:46.899 --> 00:06:51.100 I had PWSM, which was the City of Morris at St. 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:59.500 Michael. And then when my associate and his family 00:06:59.500 --> 00:07:05.540 moved to Carolinas, I kind of went a little dormant 00:07:05.540 --> 00:07:08.480 on that, you know, and just kind of helped people. 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.579 you know, on my own on the DL, I guess, uh, just 00:07:13.579 --> 00:07:18.220 helping individuals. And so it wasn't, uh, as 00:07:18.220 --> 00:07:23.240 organized like it was before. We even had a, 00:07:23.300 --> 00:07:27.199 uh, a YouTube, uh, show confronting the darkness 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:33.180 and we did things like that. Um, so, but yeah, 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:37.120 so now, uh, I began what they call the Holy Sword 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.490 Apostolate and it's, uh, a possibility that's 00:07:40.490 --> 00:07:45.129 really blossoming and growing. I started out 00:07:45.129 --> 00:07:47.930 with a group of what I call prayer warriors, 00:07:48.089 --> 00:07:50.230 and they would be people that have been committed 00:07:50.230 --> 00:07:54.810 to pray for what I do, and then any cases that 00:07:54.810 --> 00:07:58.009 come up or anything that comes up, I would ask 00:07:58.009 --> 00:08:02.279 them to pray, and they would do every day. Then 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.079 I was able to link up with a priest on the West 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.019 Coast, Father Ken, and that's when the ministry 00:08:09.019 --> 00:08:12.480 really began to blossom. We decided to work together, 00:08:12.699 --> 00:08:16.560 East Coast, West Coast, and to start a network, 00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:21.300 mostly of clergy, but also of others' expertise 00:08:21.300 --> 00:08:28.160 to help with that. So it's a big shout out to 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:32.179 Father Ken Torres, who's in... California. And 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:35.460 that's going. That's beginning to blossom really 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:37.440 nice. And then we're getting a board together 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.600 also for the Holy Sword. So it's growing. That 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:49.740 is absolutely awesome. I also have a website 00:08:49.740 --> 00:08:56.340 for education material. That's wonderful. There 00:08:56.340 --> 00:08:58.820 needs to be more education. I think that everybody 00:08:58.820 --> 00:09:02.720 should be learning. I think it's wonderful. I 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:06.779 love Father Ken. I met him a few years ago, and 00:09:06.779 --> 00:09:11.200 he's been super helpful. He has taken time to 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:16.200 talk to me, to talk to many people. I don't know. 00:09:16.259 --> 00:09:17.840 I don't know what I would have done without him 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.620 a few months ago. Yeah, he's really – we hit 00:09:21.620 --> 00:09:24.080 it off from the very get -go. And, you know, 00:09:24.220 --> 00:09:29.600 we have become besties, and we haven't even officially 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:35.340 met each other, you know, in real time. So I'm 00:09:35.340 --> 00:09:38.580 hoping to be able to see him maybe in August 00:09:38.580 --> 00:09:42.820 if I go there for a conference. So, yeah, it's 00:09:42.820 --> 00:09:45.620 funny. We're like the besties. We're associates. 00:09:47.289 --> 00:09:50.309 together, working together, but we haven't physically 00:09:50.309 --> 00:09:53.370 met together. You know, it's funny when you say 00:09:53.370 --> 00:09:55.809 that, because the other host of our show, his 00:09:55.809 --> 00:09:59.049 name is John Keyworth, and me and him met from 00:09:59.049 --> 00:10:03.309 being a host on the show, and he actually, he 00:10:03.309 --> 00:10:07.370 was a guest on the show, and it was funny, me 00:10:07.370 --> 00:10:09.450 and him became best friends, and we never met. 00:10:09.899 --> 00:10:11.600 And then all of a sudden, we just decided that 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.440 we were going on a road trip to Montana State 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.799 Prison to investigate. So I flew out to Denver 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.080 to meet him and his whole family, sleeping in 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.240 his house, not even knowing it was the most awkward 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.679 thing ever. But it felt so comfortable because 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.039 we felt like we knew each other for like 10 years. 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:31.059 So I know what you mean. So I wanted to ask you, 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.679 though, Bob, I wanted to ask you. In your work, 00:10:34.740 --> 00:10:37.360 when you were active, when you weren't retired, 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.080 were you able to really talk about the paranormal 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:44.620 to people? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not front 00:10:44.620 --> 00:10:51.909 and down upon? No, no, not really. Because I 00:10:51.909 --> 00:10:55.269 had a specialized area, and that is spiritual 00:10:55.269 --> 00:10:57.789 warfare, deliverance, the things that we hold 00:10:57.789 --> 00:11:03.669 and believe as Christians. At the time when I 00:11:03.669 --> 00:11:05.529 first began to do this, I went to the bishop 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:08.370 at the time, and I talked to him about it. I 00:11:08.370 --> 00:11:15.269 gave him a book from an exorcist, and he was 00:11:15.269 --> 00:11:19.230 okay. I never had any problems. Oh, that's awesome. 00:11:20.330 --> 00:11:22.690 That's so great because I've heard so many different 00:11:22.690 --> 00:11:25.409 stories from people that say, oh, it's frowned 00:11:25.409 --> 00:11:29.889 down upon and they try not to really do it and 00:11:29.889 --> 00:11:32.590 stuff like that. I didn't know how it worked. 00:11:34.389 --> 00:11:42.330 I don't say much. The adage that I learned in 00:11:42.330 --> 00:11:44.529 the seminary is it's better to ask pardon than 00:11:44.529 --> 00:11:54.450 permission. But honestly, I've talked about it 00:11:54.450 --> 00:11:57.690 and there have been no problems. There's others 00:11:57.690 --> 00:12:00.629 who don't believe what I'm doing or are cynical 00:12:00.629 --> 00:12:03.309 about it. That's a different story, but I never 00:12:03.309 --> 00:12:09.230 had a prohibition. So now tell me, Father, how 00:12:09.230 --> 00:12:13.230 would you go about telling if somebody has either 00:12:13.230 --> 00:12:17.110 a demonic possession or an oppression? What are 00:12:17.110 --> 00:12:20.850 the steps that you would take to go and do those 00:12:20.850 --> 00:12:24.929 steps for people who don't know? Yeah, part of 00:12:24.929 --> 00:12:31.409 it for oppression or obsession or that kind, 00:12:31.629 --> 00:12:33.669 you know, those kind of things for deliverance, 00:12:33.750 --> 00:12:39.370 basically just interviewing them, asking questions, 00:12:39.590 --> 00:12:43.529 asking them their medical history, psychological 00:12:43.529 --> 00:12:48.399 history. asking about, especially if they're 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.779 sensing things on the outside in their homes 00:12:51.779 --> 00:12:54.559 and stuff like that, asking questions, where 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.899 do they live? Do they live near a source? How 00:12:58.899 --> 00:13:03.860 are their appliances that they're using? Are 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:06.919 they antiquated? You can check because sometimes 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.320 they give off things that can really work with 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.860 your mind and stuff like that. And if I go to 00:13:13.860 --> 00:13:18.419 see them, It's usually I begin by praying. And 00:13:18.419 --> 00:13:21.539 if they have an adverse effect to holy things, 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.419 then I know that there's some kind of an issue. 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:29.059 You know, and with the bulk of my work has to 00:13:29.059 --> 00:13:34.480 do with homes or places. And my adage is there's 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:39.700 never hurts to bless. So whether I believe them 00:13:39.700 --> 00:13:42.779 or not, whether I think there's a natural explanation. 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:47.220 A lot of times there is and that it gives them 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:51.379 comfort to bless the home. And so I will do a 00:13:51.379 --> 00:13:54.600 thorough job of doing that. And, you know, that 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:58.600 helps. I've only ran in, in my experience, one 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.779 case of someone who's actually demonically possessed. 00:14:02.909 --> 00:14:05.169 A lot of people talk about this one's possessed, 00:14:05.330 --> 00:14:07.269 that one's possessed. You know, there's criteria 00:14:07.269 --> 00:14:12.009 for that. And when you come into a demon -possessed, 00:14:12.009 --> 00:14:15.490 truly demon -possessed person, you know it. You 00:14:15.490 --> 00:14:19.509 know it. And I was two hours, over two hours 00:14:19.509 --> 00:14:22.909 over someone. And then all of a sudden I began 00:14:22.909 --> 00:14:25.509 to realize that they were exhibiting classic 00:14:25.509 --> 00:14:31.399 signs like speaking in languages. And it was, 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:36.639 you know, a young lady. And she had just had 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:39.320 this amazing strength all of a sudden. Her boyfriend, 00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:42.639 who was very built, couldn't even handle her. 00:14:44.139 --> 00:14:47.019 She was blaspheming. She had an aversion to holy 00:14:47.019 --> 00:14:51.100 objects. And I began to realize, like, oh, wait 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:53.620 a minute. This is beyond my pay grade. I need 00:14:53.620 --> 00:14:58.799 to call Bishop and ask him. Yeah, I know. Yeah, 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.000 I don't blame you. I mean, I I've only I've experienced 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.759 one. I got to sit in on an exorcism and it was 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:07.840 of a younger girl and she was literally like 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.879 around nine, 10 years old. And what I saw and 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.480 the strength that she had, you you knew right 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.740 away that it was something different. It wasn't 00:15:15.740 --> 00:15:18.860 a normal what we would call spirit. You know 00:15:18.860 --> 00:15:20.899 what I mean? It was definitely something strong. 00:15:21.710 --> 00:15:24.789 and uh when i when i watched when i felt the 00:15:24.789 --> 00:15:27.929 strength of her i was like oh my gosh you know 00:15:27.929 --> 00:15:31.190 like it was it was intense it really truly was 00:15:31.190 --> 00:15:36.830 and it was scary it was scary oh yeah and and 00:15:36.830 --> 00:15:38.990 that's why i think a lot of these people talk 00:15:38.990 --> 00:15:42.429 about demon possessed so i read it isn't real 00:15:42.429 --> 00:15:47.159 demon possession i mean it's It's a sight that 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:54.360 you won't forget. It's not as common as I'm seeing 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.440 people saying that they're experiencing. Absolutely. 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.919 I think the TV has changed a lot of people into 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.820 doing it for fame now. Everybody's now you know 00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:13.570 what I mean? It's sad to see that. Yeah, everybody's 00:16:13.570 --> 00:16:16.149 an exorcist now. I would never call myself an 00:16:16.149 --> 00:16:21.470 exorcist. Never. What I am is part of my priesthood 00:16:21.470 --> 00:16:29.509 is the order of exorcists. But we can only exercise 00:16:29.509 --> 00:16:34.330 that with permission from our bishop. And there's 00:16:34.330 --> 00:16:36.669 a spirituality, there's a spiritual authority 00:16:36.669 --> 00:16:39.330 that's given once you're giving permission out 00:16:39.330 --> 00:16:42.169 of obedience. So I'm not going to go without 00:16:42.169 --> 00:16:43.990 that or else I'm going to be beat up. I mean, 00:16:44.029 --> 00:16:47.610 because those, you know, you read about Father 00:16:47.610 --> 00:16:50.929 Gabriel and Martha and true exorcists, you know, 00:16:50.929 --> 00:16:55.029 that are out there, Father Carlos Montes, and 00:16:55.029 --> 00:16:58.009 they'll tell you it's a dangerous game. It's 00:16:58.009 --> 00:17:01.580 very dangerous. And you can't just go in there 00:17:01.580 --> 00:17:04.900 willy -nilly and, you know, and, you know, I'm, 00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:09.059 you know, I became an exorcist, you know, because 00:17:09.059 --> 00:17:14.160 I took the course. I don't get that. I was going 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.359 to ask that. I was going to ask when you entered 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:21.039 the priesthood, do you pick, like, as you go, 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:23.480 do you feel led in one direction or another? 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:28.960 Yeah, not with that kind of thing, but we could 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:33.920 use our concentration in the seminary for scripture, 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:41.519 liturgy, theology, history, church history, different 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:47.019 things like that, but not on exorcism or deliverance, 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.819 no. It's part of our training, but it's not like 00:17:50.819 --> 00:18:00.180 a whole concentration. Well, now, for your training, 00:18:00.339 --> 00:18:05.579 you had to obviously, I would say, observe, correct, 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:12.099 another exorcist doing their work? I have, but 00:18:12.099 --> 00:18:16.299 no, no. It's not part of my training. Oh, no. 00:18:16.619 --> 00:18:20.400 Actually, no, no, no, not at all. Oh, wow. Let 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.539 me just. there's not that many around for every 00:18:22.539 --> 00:18:25.660 you know if every seminary in the country you 00:18:25.660 --> 00:18:30.380 know no yeah you know but i myself as a young 00:18:30.380 --> 00:18:35.079 adult uh was part of a team um i will you know 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:37.400 i was not a priest or even a seminarian at that 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:42.119 point but uh yeah i i was allowed to be a part 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:48.569 of that and my uh my whole uh in that whole thing 00:18:48.569 --> 00:18:51.589 was just to continually pray the Hail Mary during 00:18:51.589 --> 00:18:56.230 the whole thing. And then the next time that 00:18:56.230 --> 00:18:59.450 I was in the company of that is when I was doing 00:18:59.450 --> 00:19:01.650 that deliverance, what I thought was a deliverance. 00:19:01.750 --> 00:19:05.950 And, you know, it was, they were showing demonic 00:19:05.950 --> 00:19:12.049 signs. Wow. Now, see, I always wanted to ask 00:19:12.049 --> 00:19:15.900 this question. Know that you're not obviously 00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:19.220 supposed to acknowledge it, talk to it, nothing 00:19:19.220 --> 00:19:21.779 along those lines, during an exorcist or anything 00:19:21.779 --> 00:19:24.519 along those lines. Can you explain kind of what 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.900 the reasoning behind that is? Sure, sure. No, 00:19:27.980 --> 00:19:31.740 I can address it, yes, but never in my own name 00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:35.819 because I have no authority on my own as a human 00:19:35.819 --> 00:19:42.190 being. So when I see things on TV, they're talking 00:19:42.190 --> 00:19:44.809 to what they consider demons. I'm going, if that 00:19:44.809 --> 00:19:47.009 was a real demon, you're going to get clobbered. 00:19:47.829 --> 00:19:51.230 So whenever I go in there, and I think it's an 00:19:51.230 --> 00:19:54.170 evil spirit, like if that's attacking somebody, 00:19:54.690 --> 00:19:57.849 I'll just say, in the name of Jesus Christ, I 00:19:57.849 --> 00:20:02.730 command you. So I don't ask, I command, but always 00:20:02.730 --> 00:20:05.630 in the name of Jesus. And a lot of times I use 00:20:05.630 --> 00:20:10.180 Latin because it gets their attention too. Is 00:20:10.180 --> 00:20:14.339 there something about Latin that gets you? There 00:20:14.339 --> 00:20:19.220 is. Even in deliverance, I don't do exorcisms, 00:20:19.220 --> 00:20:23.019 but exorcists will tell you that the use of Latin 00:20:23.019 --> 00:20:26.299 is important and there's some kind of an authority 00:20:26.299 --> 00:20:29.700 in using that language. So I do incorporate it 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:33.279 when I'm praying over a person who's obsessed 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:39.700 or is oppressed. Or even over a home or a place. 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.640 And there have been times when a person who is 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.759 oppressed has told me to stop speaking that language. 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:52.460 Whatever was in it was not comfortable with it. 00:20:52.940 --> 00:20:57.980 Wow. There's like stages, right? To possession, 00:20:58.339 --> 00:21:03.079 like obsession, oppression. Yes, there are. There 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:04.960 are different stages of what we call demonic 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:09.420 influence. Yes, it could be oppression, which 00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:12.660 is from the outside, and there are attacks and 00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:16.640 temptations from the outside. Obsession is when 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:21.460 the person becomes obsessed with the phenomenon 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:27.579 that's going on. And so it's their own, their 00:21:27.579 --> 00:21:32.430 mind or whatever has just... obsessed over that, 00:21:32.490 --> 00:21:34.809 and that can be very dangerous for them too. 00:21:35.210 --> 00:21:40.190 Then there's vexation, which is physical attack. 00:21:41.430 --> 00:21:45.690 It could be biting, scratching, whatever. Then 00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:52.309 there's also possession, which is the full takeover 00:21:52.309 --> 00:21:55.910 of the body. And then the worst of all is subjugation. 00:21:56.390 --> 00:21:59.009 That's when the person willingly gives themselves 00:21:59.009 --> 00:22:04.140 over. to the demon. And when that occurs, there's 00:22:04.140 --> 00:22:08.400 very little you can do because their free will 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:14.519 has consented. Those are different stages. And 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:18.500 then the most common is temptation. I was going 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:21.519 to say, what would you do in that serious situation 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.859 when someone gives themselves willingly over 00:22:23.859 --> 00:22:25.839 and they want to get out of it? How do they get 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.619 out of that? Well, I suppose if they want to 00:22:29.619 --> 00:22:34.000 get out of it, then it's, you know. Then it's 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.660 willing. It can be a help. But usually they don't 00:22:37.660 --> 00:22:39.480 want to be. And again, it's not an area that 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.799 I know well because that goes beyond possession, 00:22:43.099 --> 00:22:45.359 you know, demonic possession. And I've never 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.380 come into that. But there are people like, you 00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:56.960 know, like I see website or Facebook profiles. 00:22:57.740 --> 00:23:00.680 where people are saying, hail Satan, Satan is 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:04.299 great. They don't understand what they're saying. 00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:07.759 If they're really doing that, then they're giving 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:12.160 themselves over. They are giving themselves over. 00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:18.279 So that may be a subjugation. I don't know. See, 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:20.839 people don't even realize that the intent of 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.839 our words really has a big impact on all the 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.920 energy around us. Absolutely. And I feel like 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:28.920 I wish people would understand that more, you 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:35.339 know. Yep. Yeah. Intention is everything. Yeah, 00:23:35.420 --> 00:23:40.519 definitely. Absolutely. I was just saying, yeah, 00:23:40.539 --> 00:23:42.859 like stuff like that is like, you know, you're 00:23:42.859 --> 00:23:46.019 opening doors that you can't necessarily close 00:23:46.019 --> 00:23:51.750 on your own. Correct. I mean, you know. My pet 00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:54.069 peeve, and I know I get some flack for it, is 00:23:54.069 --> 00:23:56.630 I tell people do not use Ouija boards, do not 00:23:56.630 --> 00:23:59.789 use seances because they open portals. Especially 00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:01.430 when you don't know what you're doing and you're 00:24:01.430 --> 00:24:04.670 calling on something that you don't understand 00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:09.349 the other side. And a demon may come through 00:24:09.349 --> 00:24:13.349 saying, you know, I'm Uncle Johnny or, you know, 00:24:13.349 --> 00:24:15.750 I'm a little child or something like that. And 00:24:15.750 --> 00:24:18.730 it isn't. And then you've opened that door and 00:24:18.730 --> 00:24:21.329 now you've got to try to find it. and close it. 00:24:21.769 --> 00:24:25.950 And that's not easy. Our guest we had last week 00:24:25.950 --> 00:24:28.789 was Joe Frank. He mentioned, you know, actually 00:24:28.789 --> 00:24:33.849 the same in fact thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's 00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.069 part of the network. He's part of the Holy Sword. 00:24:37.589 --> 00:24:41.309 Yeah, Joe's a great guy. And he told you about 00:24:41.309 --> 00:24:45.170 the society that he's beginning? Yeah. Yeah, 00:24:45.349 --> 00:24:49.049 which is awesome. And he, yeah, and so he's asked 00:24:49.049 --> 00:24:51.619 me to be and father ken to be a part of that 00:24:51.619 --> 00:24:55.680 you know oh that is awesome oh anything for the 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:59.759 warrens i you know i loved i loved lorraine oh 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.220 i'm very privileged to have worked with her so 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:05.240 i was about to ask you you got to work with lorraine 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:10.039 i did i did unfortunately i i did never get to 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.960 meet well i got to meet ed once in the seminary 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:18.680 i was in major seminary and my friend his parents 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.039 knew the Warrens. So he said, hey, they're giving 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.940 a lecture. So we got out of the seminary. I don't 00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:26.640 know how we did it, but we did. And we went down 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.660 and I went to their lecture. But then once I 00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:34.400 was on Paranormal State, Lorraine was also. So 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.660 I got to work with her a number of times on cases. 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.500 And it was, she was just, it was a blessing to 00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:45.059 be, you know, to work with her and have her as 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:48.190 part of my life. How was your time when you worked 00:25:48.190 --> 00:25:50.869 on Paranormal State? I know I saw a few episodes. 00:25:51.910 --> 00:25:54.470 Yeah, it was great. The one thing I can guarantee 00:25:54.470 --> 00:26:03.660 you is that nothing was faked. The only issue 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:06.960 with those things is they have to capsize into 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.420 an hour. Most of the time, almost all the time, 00:26:10.539 --> 00:26:13.740 it was never just an hour. It was over a span 00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.220 of days, maybe weeks, maybe a couple of different 00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:21.039 times coming. I normally always came on at the 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.480 end if it was a dark case. I would come on in 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.880 the end to do a deliverance of the home or the 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.019 person. But it was great. I mean, Ryan was wonderful. 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.579 The group, you know, PRS group were great. You 00:26:34.579 --> 00:26:41.279 know, Katrina, Heather and all of them. And, 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.039 you know, I was really blessed to have that time. 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:45.700 And through that, I got to meet Lorraine. I got 00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:48.440 to meet Chip Coffey. I got to meet Michelle Belanger. 00:26:48.819 --> 00:26:52.480 So it really was a door opener for me to make 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:57.559 contacts. I enjoyed the time until, unfortunately, 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:02.960 it got to such an extent that I was a full -time 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.119 pastor. So, you know, you have a full -time job. 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.299 And some of the things, the cases, I had to be 00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:12.519 on notice because they wouldn't fully know, you 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.799 know, if there really was a dark entity. So I 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:22.599 found it too much, but I really enjoyed the time 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.089 being with them and learned a lot. That's amazing. 00:27:26.309 --> 00:27:28.450 Yeah, that is amazing because I tell you what, 00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:33.970 that was one of my most favorite television paranormal 00:27:33.970 --> 00:27:40.029 research shows that I've ever watched. Yeah, 00:27:40.829 --> 00:27:43.369 I'll tell you probably why, too, as well. What 00:27:43.369 --> 00:27:45.410 attracted me, well, first of all, what attracted 00:27:45.410 --> 00:27:49.009 me was the fact that I wasn't afraid to use prayer, 00:27:49.230 --> 00:27:52.930 but also because they were so client -oriented. 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:59.640 It wasn't about getting your fix of haunted places. 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:06.059 I mean, we did go to some places for conferences 00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:10.039 and they had ghost hunts and all that. But that 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.200 wasn't the primary purpose of PRS. It was client 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.380 -oriented. And I think people resonated with 00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:19.299 that. I know I did. Oh, yeah. No, I definitely 00:28:19.299 --> 00:28:22.420 did as well. It wasn't like over sensationalized 00:28:22.420 --> 00:28:26.519 like some of the shows you see today. No, no. 00:28:26.619 --> 00:28:29.380 And Ryan had to fight for that. You know, there 00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:31.599 were times they would, you know, you don't always 00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:35.799 get these great, you know, when you say sensational 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:38.799 things that happen, it's not always a paradox. 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.299 And, you know, that doesn't sit right with people, 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:44.319 you know, with the show. They want sensational 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.859 all the time. Oh, yeah. So, you know, they may 00:28:47.859 --> 00:28:52.019 want to lead it in a direction that out of integrity, 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.900 it's not fair. So Ryan had to fight on times 00:28:55.900 --> 00:28:59.000 for that. And I applauded him for that. Yeah, 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.599 absolutely. Yeah, I've been trying to get Ryan 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.960 to come on the show for a while now. I know he 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.660 was going through some things for a little bit, 00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:10.359 but he's back on the, you know, the grind again 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.440 with the paranormal, which I'm so happy to see. 00:29:12.819 --> 00:29:17.829 And he's doing well. Yeah, I'll be seeing him 00:29:17.829 --> 00:29:23.170 in May. Oh, awesome. Yeah. That's going to be 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:26.509 a great reunion. Well, actually, believe it or 00:29:26.509 --> 00:29:30.650 not, we had kept in contact through emails and 00:29:30.650 --> 00:29:33.970 even phone calls and stuff, but we hadn't seen 00:29:33.970 --> 00:29:36.769 each other since I had left the show. So what 00:29:36.769 --> 00:29:41.630 happened was last year I went to Gettysburg for 00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:47.859 the Nesper Paracon, and Ryan was there. reconnect. 00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:52.420 For me, it was a very emotional, really great 00:29:52.420 --> 00:30:00.359 thing. This time, he invited me to go to the 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:04.759 penitentiary in Virginia, which I had gone with 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:09.059 them before, and then also in San Antonio, Texas. 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:16.140 That's awesome. Yeah. So and I also last year, 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.700 you know, thanks to Dave Giuliano, the White 00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:24.140 Hill Mansion in New Jersey, I went to that and 00:30:24.140 --> 00:30:27.299 I got to meet Katrina and Heather after a long 00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:30.259 time. And that was very emotional for me. I was 00:30:30.259 --> 00:30:31.759 just going to ask. Yeah, I was just going to 00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.400 ask if you've seen the rest of the cast. That's 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:40.700 great. Yeah. I keep in touch with Sergi and his 00:30:40.700 --> 00:30:44.160 wife. We're friends on Facebook. The others I 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.019 have not, you know, I have not been in contact 00:30:47.019 --> 00:30:52.319 with. Wow, that is amazing. I love what Katrina 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.920 has done with the field as well. Katrina has 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.859 really done very well as a female paranormal 00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:00.559 researcher. She is, like, really excelling, and 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.579 I love it. I love seeing what she's doing. She's 00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:06.740 coming to her own. Yeah, she has. And everything 00:31:06.740 --> 00:31:10.519 she puts out, I love watching. Absolutely. Yep. 00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:15.930 So, but yeah, I tell you, it's, it's, it's an 00:31:15.930 --> 00:31:18.029 amazing, it's an amazing field. You know, there's 00:31:18.029 --> 00:31:21.089 a lot of unfortunate, you know, downtimes with 00:31:21.089 --> 00:31:23.950 people faking evidence nowadays and not taking, 00:31:24.029 --> 00:31:26.589 obviously it's serious and provoking and doing 00:31:26.589 --> 00:31:31.210 very dangerous things for viewers and followers 00:31:31.210 --> 00:31:33.890 and stuff like that nowadays or for the YouTube. 00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:37.329 But the whole point of, you know, bringing you 00:31:37.329 --> 00:31:39.490 on, one of the reasons was to really express 00:31:39.490 --> 00:31:42.640 to people. the seriousness behind what they're 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.019 doing, you know, this field. And that is not 00:31:45.019 --> 00:31:51.319 a joke, you know? No. Seances and, you know, 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.819 using different tools that they don't know how 00:31:53.819 --> 00:31:57.000 to properly use is going to cause more problems. 00:31:57.019 --> 00:31:59.779 And it's going to be doors that they can't close 00:31:59.779 --> 00:32:02.920 on their own. Meeting to people like yourself 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:09.400 and father Torres happened to get involved. What 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.630 was that? Oh, I said it's going to lead to them 00:32:12.630 --> 00:32:15.089 opening all these doorways that they don't have. 00:32:15.210 --> 00:32:20.410 Oh, yeah, yes. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:32:20.410 --> 00:32:23.349 that's the thing, you know, because there's so 00:32:23.349 --> 00:32:29.490 much misinformation on TV shows that show things, 00:32:29.589 --> 00:32:31.569 people, that's where they're taking their truth 00:32:31.569 --> 00:32:33.470 from. You know, that's what they're taking their 00:32:33.470 --> 00:32:39.589 example from. And, you know, and without a healthy. 00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:45.990 I don't fear evil. I don't fear haunted objects. 00:32:46.269 --> 00:32:50.009 But I have a healthy respect in that I don't 00:32:50.009 --> 00:32:54.349 go looking for things. And I know how to approach 00:32:54.349 --> 00:32:58.609 it if I have to. And I don't think a lot of these 00:32:58.609 --> 00:33:03.170 people do. They're looking, unfortunately, for 00:33:03.170 --> 00:33:07.170 the thrill of it. And I understand that. I totally 00:33:07.170 --> 00:33:09.369 get it when I was younger. I mean, who doesn't 00:33:09.369 --> 00:33:12.549 want to hear? go into a haunted place and get 00:33:12.549 --> 00:33:16.509 activity. You know, it's a temptation. But it 00:33:16.509 --> 00:33:20.890 also can be dangerous. You know, there are things 00:33:20.890 --> 00:33:23.930 called you can get an attachment and bring it 00:33:23.930 --> 00:33:28.210 home. Well, that's happened. Now, I wanted to 00:33:28.210 --> 00:33:31.150 ask you with the work that you do and obviously 00:33:31.150 --> 00:33:33.730 your faith. Now, have you ever brought an attachment 00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:41.539 home? I have not. No, not that I know of. Okay, 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:46.460 great. That's great. Yeah, but my assistant did. 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.059 We did it. As a matter of fact, it's one of the 00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:54.859 scariest cases. Actually, they covered it on 00:33:54.859 --> 00:33:58.119 The Haunted, believe it or not. You can get it 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:04.740 on YouTube. It's called Demonic Seduction. It's 00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:09.539 on The Haunted. And we did a case in the convenience 00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:13.719 store, and it was a pretty intense case. One 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.519 of our guys, tech guys, got bit in the forearm 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:24.260 like a snake bite. And then, you know, it was 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:29.599 successful. But unfortunately, one of the demons 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:34.159 traveled home with my assistant and began to 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.320 wreak havoc at his home. so we had to do a deliverance 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.760 over him uh and the home oh wow but you can see 00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.739 that you can see that if you go onto the youtube 00:34:47.739 --> 00:34:52.579 and look under the haunted uh you know it's called 00:34:52.579 --> 00:34:56.400 demonic seduction oh yeah we're watching that 00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:00.010 tonight for sure yeah I mean, I'm sorry that 00:35:00.010 --> 00:35:03.289 that happened. That's very intense. I mean, I 00:35:03.289 --> 00:35:05.489 can't even imagine what that's like, you know, 00:35:05.489 --> 00:35:08.610 to have one of the demons come home. But my question 00:35:08.610 --> 00:35:12.130 about it is, how did you know it was one of the 00:35:12.130 --> 00:35:15.710 demons? Did it, like, have the same similar, 00:35:15.789 --> 00:35:19.070 like, signs as what you guys were dealing with 00:35:19.070 --> 00:35:23.730 before? No, only the timing of it. Oh, okay. 00:35:24.269 --> 00:35:28.699 You know, that it... It was right after we were 00:35:28.699 --> 00:35:30.820 coming home, and there would be no other reason 00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:37.039 for that to happen. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.199 know. And the evidence that was caught was compelling, 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.099 even at the home. We had another guy, a tech 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:48.420 guy, scratched in the back. Oh, wow. And they 00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:52.380 showed that. A candlestick moving in the middle 00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:54.679 of the night on its own. We got that caught on 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:59.010 camera. um we got a banshee you know one of those 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:07.369 screaming demons um you can hear it and nobody 00:36:07.369 --> 00:36:12.090 else heard it in the neighborhood oh my god so 00:36:12.090 --> 00:36:17.110 that is wow i i would love to see that footage 00:36:17.110 --> 00:36:21.329 of the candle and stuff oh my gosh It's on there. 00:36:21.550 --> 00:36:24.110 Oh, is it? Oh, I cannot wait to see it. Oh, the 00:36:24.110 --> 00:36:27.730 screaming, the candle, the scratches, all of 00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:33.849 that. Oh, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, because 00:36:33.849 --> 00:36:38.590 as a team, you know, we filmed that footage because, 00:36:38.690 --> 00:36:41.230 you know, we always do those kind of things so 00:36:41.230 --> 00:36:43.210 that I can refer to them and learn from them. 00:36:43.409 --> 00:36:46.449 So we gave that to The Haunted and, you know, 00:36:46.449 --> 00:36:49.130 so they incorporated it into the thing. So it 00:36:49.130 --> 00:36:53.840 was... you know more than just a recreation it 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:59.239 was actual they showed actual footage oh i can't 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.199 wait that's going to be amazing for like the 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:09.760 actual footage yes yeah yeah now tell me what 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:11.780 do you have coming up in the future do you have 00:37:11.780 --> 00:37:16.360 anything coming up in the near future Yeah, I've 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.360 got a few more podcasts, which I find fun. I 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.320 enjoy it because I think it's a great educational 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.760 tool. I enjoy doing that. At the end of April, 00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:33.960 I'll be going to St. Albans Sanatorium, giving 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:41.019 a workshop there. That's in, I think, Virginia 00:37:41.019 --> 00:37:47.920 or West Virginia. st albans and then in may i'm 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.679 going on a road trip and that will be going to 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.940 eastern state penitentiary we're also going to 00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:56.340 what is it western state eastern state i forget 00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:59.659 eastern state i guess and then i'm going to uh 00:37:59.659 --> 00:38:04.760 go to new orleans and then um oh that's gonna 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.119 be san antonio texas yeah oh that's gonna be 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.929 amazing Now, Tommy, can people come to the workshop 00:38:12.929 --> 00:38:16.630 on the first one you were telling us about, the 00:38:16.630 --> 00:38:20.210 one that's first coming up? Yeah, is there a 00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:22.150 possibility for people to still get tickets for 00:38:22.150 --> 00:38:25.349 that? I would think so. They just have to call 00:38:25.349 --> 00:38:31.889 St. Albans. And it's the weekend of the 25th 00:38:31.889 --> 00:38:34.110 to the 27th or whatever the Friday, Saturday, 00:38:34.110 --> 00:38:39.329 Sunday is in April. Yeah, I'm sure they could 00:38:39.329 --> 00:38:42.989 still get tickets. Okay, great. Can you explain 00:38:42.989 --> 00:38:47.909 a little bit about your workshop? Oh, what I 00:38:47.909 --> 00:38:54.210 do, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, well, generally... 00:38:54.210 --> 00:39:01.409 Without playing too much. No, depending on the 00:39:01.409 --> 00:39:06.800 need. There are times when... People ask for 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.380 prayer like as simple as there was a lady who 00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:14.119 was having being attacked in her dreams. So, 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:19.159 you know, I, you know, she lived maybe three 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.920 minutes, half hour away from me. So she came 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.699 over and I was able to pray over her and do deliverance 00:39:26.699 --> 00:39:32.360 and, you know, pray for protection over her from. 00:39:33.309 --> 00:39:36.090 attacks on the dreams and thanks be to god to 00:39:36.090 --> 00:39:41.010 this day she still you know she had said me and 00:39:41.010 --> 00:39:43.789 told me that she things are really doing well 00:39:43.789 --> 00:39:53.030 um i just did a uh a house that was uh infested 00:39:53.030 --> 00:39:55.730 and it was attacking a couple of people in the 00:39:55.730 --> 00:40:00.190 house so i did a uh a deliverance actually pop 00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:04.440 that will be on Expedition X, I don't know when, 00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:10.380 but probably in the fall. They asked, well, they 00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:14.420 wanted to, it's a funny thing, they wanted to 00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:18.219 interview me, just to interview me because they 00:40:18.219 --> 00:40:21.039 had heard about me. So I said, sure, on Deliverance. 00:40:22.579 --> 00:40:25.119 So they said, we're working on a home in Rhode 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.619 Island. So I said, okay. So I said, by the way, 00:40:27.659 --> 00:40:29.380 this is a small state. Could you tell me what 00:40:29.380 --> 00:40:32.179 town, you know, just what town it is? He said, 00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:33.539 yeah, well, actually, it's right next to the 00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:37.260 Conjuring house. I went, oh, my God, Pat's house. 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.820 He said, yeah, why? I said, he's a friend of 00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:43.659 mine. I said, I've been over there. I said, I've 00:40:43.659 --> 00:40:46.519 been over that house to investigate. Yeah, there's 00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.139 something there. I said that I promised him I 00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:51.239 would go and do a deliverance. So they asked 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.219 if they could film part of it. And I said, yeah, 00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:56.940 fine. I said, if it'll be, you know, a good witness 00:40:56.940 --> 00:41:02.760 of. what to do. So they did. And I'm assuming, 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:08.159 I'm assuming that when the, that movie, the final 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.860 movie of the conjuring comes out, that it would 00:41:11.860 --> 00:41:14.760 probably, they'll probably air it around them 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.780 because it, there is a connection between the 00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:22.820 conjuring house and that house. So. Now I wanted 00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:26.880 to ask what Tammy was asking before. um she uh 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.599 we kind of got off track uh she asked before 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:33.519 um your workshops what are um can you tell us 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.739 a little bit about what your workshops are about 00:41:35.739 --> 00:41:38.780 and what they kind of like are what they wait 00:41:38.780 --> 00:41:43.239 there for yeah it depending on the talks i mean 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.599 they may just be giving i might just be giving 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.420 talks on demonology uh spiritual battle what 00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:54.559 to do and all of that. A workshop would be, and 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.920 I did that at St. Albans many years ago with 00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:01.719 my former partner there, and we would just talk 00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.380 about what we do, what we do to prepare in the 00:42:05.380 --> 00:42:09.059 days of prayer, what we do when we get to the 00:42:09.059 --> 00:42:11.960 home. We set up a little altar. We do prayers 00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:15.739 of protection, and then the main prayers that 00:42:15.739 --> 00:42:21.769 we do. Going into each room with holy incense 00:42:21.769 --> 00:42:25.989 and holy water, doing the parameters around the 00:42:25.989 --> 00:42:30.710 house, burying four blessed metals on the four 00:42:30.710 --> 00:42:33.070 corners of the property, and then putting salt 00:42:33.070 --> 00:42:35.869 around there to create a hedge after the deliverance. 00:42:36.849 --> 00:42:42.909 And then how to address, how to prepare, and 00:42:42.909 --> 00:42:47.409 then how to do the prayers and warnings about. 00:42:49.389 --> 00:42:52.829 don't start doing it in your own name if it's 00:42:52.829 --> 00:42:56.550 a demon. So it's like a hands -on workshop that 00:42:56.550 --> 00:43:00.170 I haven't done yet. I'm hoping to be able to 00:43:00.170 --> 00:43:02.789 do that in some places now that we're established 00:43:02.789 --> 00:43:06.670 again. I'm not sure if St. Albans is one, but 00:43:06.670 --> 00:43:11.829 I'll also be actually be doing it with a shaman. 00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:15.369 He'll be coming with me. So we'll be talking 00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:25.690 about different traditions. You mentioned burying 00:43:25.690 --> 00:43:28.630 the metals in the four corners of the house. 00:43:28.690 --> 00:43:31.389 I've heard of other items being buried as well 00:43:31.389 --> 00:43:34.409 or used in different practices, different faiths, 00:43:34.409 --> 00:43:39.800 different beliefs. yep yeah i i usually do the 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.480 uh the metal of simbenedic because it's an exercise 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.980 metal but it can be any kind of blessed metal 00:43:44.980 --> 00:43:48.219 that we do and and what it kind of does it what 00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:53.719 it does is create a a um like a hedge of protection 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:58.039 you know uh and it's funny that when one of the 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.969 houses that i that i did That house I just talked 00:44:01.969 --> 00:44:05.110 about, I had him go out and bury the four medals, 00:44:05.210 --> 00:44:07.650 and he could hear something in the woods behind 00:44:07.650 --> 00:44:11.110 him. And I said, what did you go alone for? Because 00:44:11.110 --> 00:44:15.329 it spooked him, but he did it. But, you know, 00:44:15.349 --> 00:44:18.550 since then, since then, there's been no activity. 00:44:18.969 --> 00:44:23.949 So thank God for that. Yeah, that's great. I 00:44:23.949 --> 00:44:27.210 mean, there are different things. I also have 00:44:27.210 --> 00:44:31.969 a devotion to the souls in our Catholic faith. 00:44:32.010 --> 00:44:35.650 We believe that there are purgatorial souls and 00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:39.289 also that there are some earthbound souls. So 00:44:39.289 --> 00:44:42.469 a lot of times, without doing every Mass that 00:44:42.469 --> 00:44:47.730 I celebrate, is ask St. Michael and the other 00:44:47.730 --> 00:44:51.670 saints to bring me souls that are ready to go 00:44:51.670 --> 00:44:57.260 into the light. by the prayers of the Mass, would 00:44:57.260 --> 00:44:59.800 be enough to bring them. And then after communion, 00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:02.480 I just close my eyes, I picture the light, and 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.500 I just ask St. Michael with his fiery sword to 00:45:06.500 --> 00:45:11.639 go in and then to the St. Nicholas to bring them, 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:17.679 to escort them, and to go into the light. And 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.510 so far... That's amazing. Yeah. And going to 00:45:22.510 --> 00:45:24.349 cemeteries. I do the same thing in the cemetery. 00:45:24.789 --> 00:45:28.690 I go to historical cemeteries when I can. Yeah. 00:45:28.730 --> 00:45:31.250 No, yeah. It's crazy that you said that because 00:45:31.250 --> 00:45:34.250 when I was taught to actually do it, I was working 00:45:34.250 --> 00:45:36.730 with a medium for a while. She was amazing. Her 00:45:36.730 --> 00:45:40.690 accuracy was unfathomable. I've never seen someone 00:45:40.690 --> 00:45:44.150 with such a gift before. And she never did it 00:45:44.150 --> 00:45:46.869 for money. She always just did it to help people. 00:45:47.369 --> 00:45:53.679 And she never wanted to, like, work in the without 00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.199 like working with the light she wanted to always 00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:58.099 work like obviously with the light she never 00:45:58.099 --> 00:46:00.519 wanted to go into the realm of what we would 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.019 call purgatory um that area where the souls need 00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:07.119 help so when she met me she was like i'm willing 00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.800 to try it to try and help these souls to help 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.670 you do your work And when we worked together, 00:46:12.829 --> 00:46:15.170 I had the same experience that you were just 00:46:15.170 --> 00:46:17.849 talking about. And the same thing happened. And 00:46:17.849 --> 00:46:19.869 it was just it was it was amazing. It really 00:46:19.869 --> 00:46:23.349 was to watch them cross over and now have the 00:46:23.349 --> 00:46:25.409 ability to be able to help them. You know, it's 00:46:25.409 --> 00:46:27.849 such a good feeling because I've had them come 00:46:27.849 --> 00:46:30.349 back and actually say thank you in other sessions. 00:46:30.789 --> 00:46:34.730 So it's amazing. And that's what I look forward 00:46:34.730 --> 00:46:37.250 to. They're going to be there. When our life 00:46:37.250 --> 00:46:42.510 is ended, you know, and it's time for us to go. 00:46:43.429 --> 00:46:48.489 But, yeah, and even the souls, they can help 00:46:48.489 --> 00:46:51.989 us. They just can't help themselves. So, you 00:46:51.989 --> 00:46:55.510 know, they help us. We help them. It's a beautiful 00:46:55.510 --> 00:46:58.329 doctrine that we have in the Catholic faith called 00:46:58.329 --> 00:47:01.070 the communion of saints, the saints in heaven. 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.099 the saints that are on their way, you know, purgatorial 00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:08.159 souls and those of us here still on earth. So 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.380 there's, there's a networking between us, a beautiful 00:47:11.380 --> 00:47:16.900 networking. Amen to that. Amen for that. Well, 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.079 no, I just think it's beautiful. I think it just 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.960 brings me to thinking about like some of the 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.460 locations that I've actually investigated at 00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:27.780 and how they, they have like contracts where 00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:30.980 they don't want you to like, cross before it's 00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:33.739 over and that always bothered me because it it 00:47:33.739 --> 00:47:37.400 feels like they're using them as like a you know 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:42.880 a circus act and it's sad i agree wholeheartedly 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.820 that's because you have part for for the real 00:47:46.820 --> 00:47:51.239 you know for the souls themselves uh yeah i i 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.920 just i i really i'm conflicted with that because 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.829 of that fact and um You know, I want to pray 00:47:59.829 --> 00:48:01.590 for the souls no matter where I go. I'm sorry. 00:48:01.909 --> 00:48:04.989 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:48:05.190 --> 00:48:07.530 And I had that happen at Montana State Prison. 00:48:07.610 --> 00:48:09.489 They told us that we couldn't do that. And I 00:48:09.489 --> 00:48:11.849 told the lady at the end, I said, well, let me 00:48:11.849 --> 00:48:13.769 ask you a question. I said, if that was your 00:48:13.769 --> 00:48:16.949 grandmother or your, say, son who was trapped 00:48:16.949 --> 00:48:19.289 in that building, wouldn't you want to let him 00:48:19.289 --> 00:48:22.170 free or let her free? Would you allow her to 00:48:22.170 --> 00:48:24.210 be stuck here forever if you had the choice? 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.039 And then she looked at me and she was like, well, 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.739 you know, we are a business. And I'm like, it 00:48:29.739 --> 00:48:31.619 doesn't matter. I said, it's not like these spirits 00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:34.179 are not going to come back to a location. It's 00:48:34.179 --> 00:48:36.820 just obviously set them free. You know what I 00:48:36.820 --> 00:48:40.619 mean? Like, come on. That's the problem. It becomes 00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:45.099 a business. That's where it's kind of all going 00:48:45.099 --> 00:48:48.380 wrong. I mean, every time you turn around, there 00:48:48.380 --> 00:48:52.320 are haunted locations. And, yeah, because it's 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:56.900 a reality. I don't know to capitalize on that. 00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.739 It's just, it's, it's tough. It is. It's a tough 00:48:59.739 --> 00:49:03.300 one. You know, it's hard because I can't do it. 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.780 I've been asked like, why don't I try to make 00:49:05.780 --> 00:49:07.760 money off of this and all that type of stuff. 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.659 And you know, it bothers me and I don't want 00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:12.559 to make money off it. And the reason being is 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.380 because I have so much respect for this field 00:49:15.380 --> 00:49:17.639 because of the souls and because of the people 00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.539 that have lost people. It's like, I feel like 00:49:20.539 --> 00:49:24.059 I'm doing myself a disservice by asking somebody, 00:49:24.940 --> 00:49:28.019 There are people that are out there doing $225 00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:32.539 for a paranormal one -on -one or 101 hot -up 00:49:32.539 --> 00:49:34.539 paranormal. It's like, are you serious right 00:49:34.539 --> 00:49:37.199 now? You're going to take $225 from a person 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.679 to do that? Like, that's just such low integrity 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.360 in my eyes. You know what I mean? And that's 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:48.599 the thing, too. I mean, we believe that, you 00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.849 know, sometimes when I go to a house, It won't 00:49:52.849 --> 00:49:55.929 be an earthbound or necessarily a purgatorial 00:49:55.929 --> 00:49:58.630 spirit, but a spirit that's already crossed over 00:49:58.630 --> 00:50:01.630 and with God. Now, don't forget, when you die, 00:50:01.849 --> 00:50:04.130 you don't have a body, so you're not subject 00:50:04.130 --> 00:50:07.929 to time and space anymore. If the angels, if 00:50:07.929 --> 00:50:10.449 your guardian angel, which we believe is before 00:50:10.449 --> 00:50:13.210 the throne of God always, but also by our side, 00:50:13.389 --> 00:50:18.230 they can bilocate. So, you know, there's no time 00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:22.300 or space. Some of these spirits are like guardian 00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:24.760 spirits, their loved ones or whatever. And we 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.480 believe, and that's a beautiful thing about the 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.039 community of saints too, is that, you know, they're 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.559 around us, you know, watching over us. How many 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.960 times will a loved one die so we sense them, 00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:41.260 you know, around us? So we don't have to worry 00:50:41.260 --> 00:50:46.079 about that, you know. Like a lot of these castles 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.980 in England and in Scotland or whatever, You know, 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.300 they have these hauntings, haunted castles, but 00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:56.840 those are residual hauntings, mostly. You know, 00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.059 they're there whether you see them or not. They're 00:50:59.059 --> 00:51:01.619 like a projector going. That's a whole different 00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:06.940 story than someone who's trapped. Yes. Yes, absolutely. 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:12.719 I agree. I totally agree. Completely, 100%. Yeah. 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.980 Somebody, do you want to ask them the moral question? 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:19.960 I had a question a second ago and then it disappeared 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:34.500 and we started talking. Yeah. If it comes back. 00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:39.380 So my question is, Father, is what piece of advice 00:51:39.380 --> 00:51:42.039 would you give to a person just starting out 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.460 in this field? If you had to give one piece of 00:51:44.460 --> 00:51:51.019 advice, what would it be? Be prepared. Always 00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:55.059 be prepared what you're doing. And treat it, 00:51:55.119 --> 00:52:00.519 you know, if you go into this, you have to have 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.659 some degree of faith. Whatever your faith is, 00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:07.559 make sure you're grounded when you're going to 00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.659 do this work and prepared before you go into 00:52:10.659 --> 00:52:14.639 these things. And because you don't know what 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:20.010 you're walking into. And be client -oriented. 00:52:20.230 --> 00:52:24.530 That's all, you know. Be it for the help of people, 00:52:24.570 --> 00:52:30.630 not for your own glory to feel experiences. Amen. 00:52:30.909 --> 00:52:34.349 Amen to that. I totally agree with that. Amen. 00:52:35.309 --> 00:52:37.949 Yeah. Oh, so what I was going to mention was, 00:52:37.969 --> 00:52:40.469 like, I noticed there's a lot of people who are, 00:52:40.550 --> 00:52:42.909 like, what you would call, like, more like ghost 00:52:42.909 --> 00:52:46.369 hunters now. you know they're going into a location 00:52:46.369 --> 00:52:49.329 and they're some of them are doing home cases 00:52:49.329 --> 00:52:53.349 which is really scary to me and they can go and 00:52:53.349 --> 00:52:56.809 stir things up and leave because they don't know 00:52:56.809 --> 00:53:00.070 how to handle the situation whereas you know 00:53:00.070 --> 00:53:02.710 they're not doing any like you know background 00:53:02.710 --> 00:53:05.849 work before going in you know the actual research 00:53:05.849 --> 00:53:09.230 part you know asking the right questions following 00:53:09.230 --> 00:53:12.969 a protocol. There needs to be more education 00:53:12.969 --> 00:53:15.289 on following a protocol when you're going to 00:53:15.289 --> 00:53:23.809 handle a home case. Yes. I think you guys... 00:53:23.809 --> 00:53:33.030 Oh, okay. Are you guys still frozen? I am, but 00:53:33.030 --> 00:53:36.369 you guys froze a little bit. Are you? Oh, sorry 00:53:36.369 --> 00:53:38.150 about that. That might be our connection. Apologies. 00:53:38.429 --> 00:53:40.849 Okay. Well, StreamYard, I know. I've been on 00:53:40.849 --> 00:53:43.809 a few different ones, and this happens. It's 00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:48.210 not uncommon. But, yeah, I agree. With home cases, 00:53:48.449 --> 00:53:52.230 yeah, you've got to do your protocols. You've 00:53:52.230 --> 00:53:56.110 got to do – we have with Father Ken, you know, 00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:58.550 he's got this whole long protocol before we do 00:53:58.550 --> 00:54:01.829 a case, and it's very comprehensive, and it may 00:54:01.829 --> 00:54:06.389 seem like it's a – you know, cumbersome, but 00:54:06.389 --> 00:54:09.130 we've got to create, we've got to understand, 00:54:09.309 --> 00:54:11.949 you know, what the case is that we're going so 00:54:11.949 --> 00:54:15.269 we can best help the people. You know, and I 00:54:15.269 --> 00:54:17.449 understand the natural curiosity. I really do. 00:54:17.510 --> 00:54:23.269 I get it. We all have that. But if you follow 00:54:23.269 --> 00:54:26.369 the protocols and you get activity, all the better 00:54:26.369 --> 00:54:29.030 for you, I guess. You experience it. It helps 00:54:29.030 --> 00:54:33.750 to solidify your belief in the afterlife. That 00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:36.889 can't be the reason why you're going in. And 00:54:36.889 --> 00:54:40.230 again, yeah, you're right. It's not for the thrill 00:54:40.230 --> 00:54:47.570 of the activity and the experiences, especially 00:54:47.570 --> 00:54:50.710 when you're client -oriented. And yeah, how many 00:54:50.710 --> 00:54:52.489 times does that happen? How many times these 00:54:52.489 --> 00:54:54.769 guys are going in with Ouija boards and brought 00:54:54.769 --> 00:54:58.269 things in, open doors, then we have to go in. 00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:02.239 But it's not as easy to find the portals. you 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:07.219 know, to close them. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. 00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:15.900 Absolutely. Yeah. No, I just have my house where 00:55:15.900 --> 00:55:18.900 I still look and try to find, finding out, try 00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:22.780 to where the portal is, you know, or, or where 00:55:22.780 --> 00:55:26.400 the other one is, you know, once you close one, 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:31.280 you may not be closing all. No. Father, how would 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:35.739 you close a portal? Basically, what I do is I 00:55:35.739 --> 00:55:40.340 just command. I use a prayer command, and I ask 00:55:40.340 --> 00:55:43.019 the blood of Jesus to cover it. And then what 00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:46.039 I do is I'll sprinkle holy salt or holy water, 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:50.800 whatever I have, and place a blessed metal in 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:56.360 the place, whether it be the room or a windowsill, 00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:59.960 whatever the area of where. you know, in the 00:55:59.960 --> 00:56:03.659 vicinity of where it is. It's all intent. So 00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:06.699 my intent is that it's sealed. And I ask the 00:56:06.699 --> 00:56:12.000 angels to guard so that nothing can go through 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.699 anymore. Yeah. No, that is absolutely amazing. 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:18.480 Thank you for telling me that. That's some great 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:23.119 knowledge. Appreciate that. But Father, I want 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.559 to say thank you so much for your time. We truly 00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.699 appreciate you coming on, spreading some knowledge. 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.159 I wanted to ask if you were available to come 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.320 on again sometime because there's so much more 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:34.900 I want to pick your brain about. So I would love 00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:38.440 to have you on. Yeah. Keep in touch. Absolutely. 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.519 Definitely. We definitely will. So thank you 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:43.699 so much for your time today. And we really do 00:56:43.699 --> 00:56:46.000 appreciate you a lot. Keep up with the great 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.119 work. Thank you. Thank you. God bless all of 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:59.780 you. God bless you. Bye -bye. Bye. Wow, babe. 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.599 So I tell you what, this was an amazing episode. 00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.320 And the reason being is, you know, I didn't know 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:09.139 exactly what route I was going to take for question 00:57:09.139 --> 00:57:11.519 wise or what way I was going to go with things 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.219 at first. But I tell you what, the knowledge 00:57:14.219 --> 00:57:18.039 that Father Bob had was just right on point of 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:21.099 what I was going to ask. Oh, absolutely. I mean, 00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:25.099 his experience, like his vast experience that 00:57:25.099 --> 00:57:28.780 he's been doing this for quite a while. I mean, 00:57:28.980 --> 00:57:32.599 I look forward to, I'm actually interested in 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:36.019 his workshops. Oh, yeah. Very interested. Yeah. 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.019 I'd love to attend sometime. Yeah, I would too. 00:57:40.179 --> 00:57:41.960 I was just, it's funny that you said that because 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.219 I was thinking that when we were on the show 00:57:44.219 --> 00:57:45.940 and he said it and I was asking, I was thinking 00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:47.900 like, well, where was that, you know, workshop 00:57:47.900 --> 00:57:52.619 at? Right. That's great. I hope everyone enjoyed 00:57:52.619 --> 00:57:56.800 this show. We had a great time with Father Bob. 00:57:57.380 --> 00:58:00.019 If you ever need anything, reach out to him. 00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:03.500 Father Bob Bailey. You can find him on Facebook. 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.440 You can probably find him on all social medias. 00:58:06.980 --> 00:58:09.980 Definitely check out his page. Become friends 00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:18.780 with him. He does amazing things. I know it. 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.320 because of the people on network that he works 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.159 with are just amazing group of people absolutely 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:26.360 and we're definitely checking out that episode 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:30.420 of 100 tonight oh 110 we're about to go check 00:58:30.420 --> 00:58:34.719 it out right now all right guys thank you so 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:36.539 much for watching another episode of talking 00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:39.079 with the source and also thank you to everyone 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:42.289 listening at home on podcast listening platforms 00:58:42.289 --> 00:58:46.030 like Spotify, Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts, 00:58:46.030 --> 00:58:48.550 and all of those great ones. So thank you guys 00:58:48.550 --> 00:58:51.170 so much for your support, like I said, and we 00:58:51.170 --> 00:58:53.690 truly appreciate you. Again, I'm AJ, this is 00:58:53.690 --> 00:59:14.760 Tammy, and we are signing off. Later. Now, this 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:19.119 is the area where apparently you can hear the 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.920 whistling of Art or Arthur, the man that died 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:26.539 of a heart attack, constructing this part of 00:59:26.539 --> 00:59:31.500 the lift locks. Yeah, that's where we actually 00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:35.829 went right down there. It's just trees. The biggest 00:59:35.829 --> 00:59:39.150 animal we're going to get in here is a badger 00:59:39.150 --> 00:59:44.809 or a deer. But if it was a deer, we'd be seeing 00:59:44.809 --> 00:59:50.190 it. Did you live here?