What's going on, everybody? This is AJ Capasso
here from Talking With The Source. I'm here with
my beautiful girlfriend, Tammy Lee. Tammy, how
are you today, my love? I'm doing great. It's
been a great day. Yeah, today's been a really
good day. It started off really chilly, though.
Yeah, it was great. Sorry for the little cut
out there. We probably have a little issue with
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we have an amazing guest today. We have... um
an amazing man he's a he's been a great friend
of us ever since we got in contact with him um
his name is father bob bailey let me bring him
forward hey father how are you great good to
be out with you guys i really appreciate your
time and thank you so much for making time for
us because i know you're very busy No problem.
So, babe, do you want to start off with the first
question, or do you want me to? Oh, me, you can
start. Okay. So, I wanted to ask you, what we
want to tell our viewers a little bit about yourself,
a little bit about what you do, and just basically
whatever you want to tell us. Okay. Well, I may...
A Roman Catholic priest. I'm retired right now.
Retired a little early because of some health
issues. But still a priest, which has now freed
me up, actually, to explore more of helping with
the paranormal. I don't have a parish anymore
and those responsibilities that I used to have.
But I've been a priest for... 33 years or so
and, you know, various places. But I've had an
interest in the paranormal since I was a child.
And it mostly began with what I call Catholic
paranormal, miracles, apparitions, visions, and
things like that. But I always had an inner sense
of the battle between good and evil. and feeling
a calling to be part of that. And so when I became
a priest and then learned and came in contact
with people in the paranormal who sought out
my help as a priest, I then saw what I thought
was a calling within a calling, and that is to
help in the area of spiritual warfare and the
spiritual battle. And so I'd been on... different
podcasts and different things but mostly uh i've
been helping people uh that have asked for help
that i can actually get to uh to help them with
issues whether it be deliverance itself or what
i call uh liberations over home or places wow
that's amazing that is awesome That is such great
work. And I'm so happy that you're doing that
for people because that's absolutely amazing.
And I find it absolutely amazing that you're
able to, you know, you had an interest in the
paranormal growing up and then you get into,
you know, this clergy work and then all of a
sudden you kind of can't really get into the
paranormal stuff. And then when you get out,
you actually are able to. And I find it amazing
that you're able to now use your work as a tool
to help others even further. And I find that
absolutely amazing. So I commend you, my friend.
Thank you. Thank you. I did it before, but it's
just not on the level that I am doing it now.
And I'm really happy about that. That's great.
That's great. So I know that, let's see, if I'm
correct, you have your own, was it the Holy Sword
Apostling? That's correct. I mean, years ago,
I had PWSM, which was the City of Morris at St.
Michael. And then when my associate and his family
moved to Carolinas, I kind of went a little dormant
on that, you know, and just kind of helped people.
you know, on my own on the DL, I guess, uh, just
helping individuals. And so it wasn't, uh, as
organized like it was before. We even had a,
uh, a YouTube, uh, show confronting the darkness
and we did things like that. Um, so, but yeah,
so now, uh, I began what they call the Holy Sword
Apostolate and it's, uh, a possibility that's
really blossoming and growing. I started out
with a group of what I call prayer warriors,
and they would be people that have been committed
to pray for what I do, and then any cases that
come up or anything that comes up, I would ask
them to pray, and they would do every day. Then
I was able to link up with a priest on the West
Coast, Father Ken, and that's when the ministry
really began to blossom. We decided to work together,
East Coast, West Coast, and to start a network,
mostly of clergy, but also of others' expertise
to help with that. So it's a big shout out to
Father Ken Torres, who's in... California. And
that's going. That's beginning to blossom really
nice. And then we're getting a board together
also for the Holy Sword. So it's growing. That
is absolutely awesome. I also have a website
for education material. That's wonderful. There
needs to be more education. I think that everybody
should be learning. I think it's wonderful. I
love Father Ken. I met him a few years ago, and
he's been super helpful. He has taken time to
talk to me, to talk to many people. I don't know.
I don't know what I would have done without him
a few months ago. Yeah, he's really – we hit
it off from the very get -go. And, you know,
we have become besties, and we haven't even officially
met each other, you know, in real time. So I'm
hoping to be able to see him maybe in August
if I go there for a conference. So, yeah, it's
funny. We're like the besties. We're associates.
together, working together, but we haven't physically
met together. You know, it's funny when you say
that, because the other host of our show, his
name is John Keyworth, and me and him met from
being a host on the show, and he actually, he
was a guest on the show, and it was funny, me
and him became best friends, and we never met.
And then all of a sudden, we just decided that
we were going on a road trip to Montana State
Prison to investigate. So I flew out to Denver
to meet him and his whole family, sleeping in
his house, not even knowing it was the most awkward
thing ever. But it felt so comfortable because
we felt like we knew each other for like 10 years.
So I know what you mean. So I wanted to ask you,
though, Bob, I wanted to ask you. In your work,
when you were active, when you weren't retired,
were you able to really talk about the paranormal
to people? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not front
and down upon? No, no, not really. Because I
had a specialized area, and that is spiritual
warfare, deliverance, the things that we hold
and believe as Christians. At the time when I
first began to do this, I went to the bishop
at the time, and I talked to him about it. I
gave him a book from an exorcist, and he was
okay. I never had any problems. Oh, that's awesome.
That's so great because I've heard so many different
stories from people that say, oh, it's frowned
down upon and they try not to really do it and
stuff like that. I didn't know how it worked.
I don't say much. The adage that I learned in
the seminary is it's better to ask pardon than
permission. But honestly, I've talked about it
and there have been no problems. There's others
who don't believe what I'm doing or are cynical
about it. That's a different story, but I never
had a prohibition. So now tell me, Father, how
would you go about telling if somebody has either
a demonic possession or an oppression? What are
the steps that you would take to go and do those
steps for people who don't know? Yeah, part of
it for oppression or obsession or that kind,
you know, those kind of things for deliverance,
basically just interviewing them, asking questions,
asking them their medical history, psychological
history. asking about, especially if they're
sensing things on the outside in their homes
and stuff like that, asking questions, where
do they live? Do they live near a source? How
are their appliances that they're using? Are
they antiquated? You can check because sometimes
they give off things that can really work with
your mind and stuff like that. And if I go to
see them, It's usually I begin by praying. And
if they have an adverse effect to holy things,
then I know that there's some kind of an issue.
You know, and with the bulk of my work has to
do with homes or places. And my adage is there's
never hurts to bless. So whether I believe them
or not, whether I think there's a natural explanation.
A lot of times there is and that it gives them
comfort to bless the home. And so I will do a
thorough job of doing that. And, you know, that
helps. I've only ran in, in my experience, one
case of someone who's actually demonically possessed.
A lot of people talk about this one's possessed,
that one's possessed. You know, there's criteria
for that. And when you come into a demon -possessed,
truly demon -possessed person, you know it. You
know it. And I was two hours, over two hours
over someone. And then all of a sudden I began
to realize that they were exhibiting classic
signs like speaking in languages. And it was,
you know, a young lady. And she had just had
this amazing strength all of a sudden. Her boyfriend,
who was very built, couldn't even handle her.
She was blaspheming. She had an aversion to holy
objects. And I began to realize, like, oh, wait
a minute. This is beyond my pay grade. I need
to call Bishop and ask him. Yeah, I know. Yeah,
I don't blame you. I mean, I I've only I've experienced
one. I got to sit in on an exorcism and it was
of a younger girl and she was literally like
around nine, 10 years old. And what I saw and
the strength that she had, you you knew right
away that it was something different. It wasn't
a normal what we would call spirit. You know
what I mean? It was definitely something strong.
and uh when i when i watched when i felt the
strength of her i was like oh my gosh you know
like it was it was intense it really truly was
and it was scary it was scary oh yeah and and
that's why i think a lot of these people talk
about demon possessed so i read it isn't real
demon possession i mean it's It's a sight that
you won't forget. It's not as common as I'm seeing
people saying that they're experiencing. Absolutely.
I think the TV has changed a lot of people into
doing it for fame now. Everybody's now you know
what I mean? It's sad to see that. Yeah, everybody's
an exorcist now. I would never call myself an
exorcist. Never. What I am is part of my priesthood
is the order of exorcists. But we can only exercise
that with permission from our bishop. And there's
a spirituality, there's a spiritual authority
that's given once you're giving permission out
of obedience. So I'm not going to go without
that or else I'm going to be beat up. I mean,
because those, you know, you read about Father
Gabriel and Martha and true exorcists, you know,
that are out there, Father Carlos Montes, and
they'll tell you it's a dangerous game. It's
very dangerous. And you can't just go in there
willy -nilly and, you know, and, you know, I'm,
you know, I became an exorcist, you know, because
I took the course. I don't get that. I was going
to ask that. I was going to ask when you entered
the priesthood, do you pick, like, as you go,
do you feel led in one direction or another?
Yeah, not with that kind of thing, but we could
use our concentration in the seminary for scripture,
liturgy, theology, history, church history, different
things like that, but not on exorcism or deliverance,
no. It's part of our training, but it's not like
a whole concentration. Well, now, for your training,
you had to obviously, I would say, observe, correct,
another exorcist doing their work? I have, but
no, no. It's not part of my training. Oh, no.
Actually, no, no, no, not at all. Oh, wow. Let
me just. there's not that many around for every
you know if every seminary in the country you
know no yeah you know but i myself as a young
adult uh was part of a team um i will you know
i was not a priest or even a seminarian at that
point but uh yeah i i was allowed to be a part
of that and my uh my whole uh in that whole thing
was just to continually pray the Hail Mary during
the whole thing. And then the next time that
I was in the company of that is when I was doing
that deliverance, what I thought was a deliverance.
And, you know, it was, they were showing demonic
signs. Wow. Now, see, I always wanted to ask
this question. Know that you're not obviously
supposed to acknowledge it, talk to it, nothing
along those lines, during an exorcist or anything
along those lines. Can you explain kind of what
the reasoning behind that is? Sure, sure. No,
I can address it, yes, but never in my own name
because I have no authority on my own as a human
being. So when I see things on TV, they're talking
to what they consider demons. I'm going, if that
was a real demon, you're going to get clobbered.
So whenever I go in there, and I think it's an
evil spirit, like if that's attacking somebody,
I'll just say, in the name of Jesus Christ, I
command you. So I don't ask, I command, but always
in the name of Jesus. And a lot of times I use
Latin because it gets their attention too. Is
there something about Latin that gets you? There
is. Even in deliverance, I don't do exorcisms,
but exorcists will tell you that the use of Latin
is important and there's some kind of an authority
in using that language. So I do incorporate it
when I'm praying over a person who's obsessed
or is oppressed. Or even over a home or a place.
And there have been times when a person who is
oppressed has told me to stop speaking that language.
Whatever was in it was not comfortable with it.
Wow. There's like stages, right? To possession,
like obsession, oppression. Yes, there are. There
are different stages of what we call demonic
influence. Yes, it could be oppression, which
is from the outside, and there are attacks and
temptations from the outside. Obsession is when
the person becomes obsessed with the phenomenon
that's going on. And so it's their own, their
mind or whatever has just... obsessed over that,
and that can be very dangerous for them too.
Then there's vexation, which is physical attack.
It could be biting, scratching, whatever. Then
there's also possession, which is the full takeover
of the body. And then the worst of all is subjugation.
That's when the person willingly gives themselves
over. to the demon. And when that occurs, there's
very little you can do because their free will
has consented. Those are different stages. And
then the most common is temptation. I was going
to say, what would you do in that serious situation
when someone gives themselves willingly over
and they want to get out of it? How do they get
out of that? Well, I suppose if they want to
get out of it, then it's, you know. Then it's
willing. It can be a help. But usually they don't
want to be. And again, it's not an area that
I know well because that goes beyond possession,
you know, demonic possession. And I've never
come into that. But there are people like, you
know, like I see website or Facebook profiles.
where people are saying, hail Satan, Satan is
great. They don't understand what they're saying.
If they're really doing that, then they're giving
themselves over. They are giving themselves over.
So that may be a subjugation. I don't know. See,
people don't even realize that the intent of
our words really has a big impact on all the
energy around us. Absolutely. And I feel like
I wish people would understand that more, you
know. Yep. Yeah. Intention is everything. Yeah,
definitely. Absolutely. I was just saying, yeah,
like stuff like that is like, you know, you're
opening doors that you can't necessarily close
on your own. Correct. I mean, you know. My pet
peeve, and I know I get some flack for it, is
I tell people do not use Ouija boards, do not
use seances because they open portals. Especially
when you don't know what you're doing and you're
calling on something that you don't understand
the other side. And a demon may come through
saying, you know, I'm Uncle Johnny or, you know,
I'm a little child or something like that. And
it isn't. And then you've opened that door and
now you've got to try to find it. and close it.
And that's not easy. Our guest we had last week
was Joe Frank. He mentioned, you know, actually
the same in fact thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's
part of the network. He's part of the Holy Sword.
Yeah, Joe's a great guy. And he told you about
the society that he's beginning? Yeah. Yeah,
which is awesome. And he, yeah, and so he's asked
me to be and father ken to be a part of that
you know oh that is awesome oh anything for the
warrens i you know i loved i loved lorraine oh
i'm very privileged to have worked with her so
i was about to ask you you got to work with lorraine
i did i did unfortunately i i did never get to
meet well i got to meet ed once in the seminary
i was in major seminary and my friend his parents
knew the Warrens. So he said, hey, they're giving
a lecture. So we got out of the seminary. I don't
know how we did it, but we did. And we went down
and I went to their lecture. But then once I
was on Paranormal State, Lorraine was also. So
I got to work with her a number of times on cases.
And it was, she was just, it was a blessing to
be, you know, to work with her and have her as
part of my life. How was your time when you worked
on Paranormal State? I know I saw a few episodes.
Yeah, it was great. The one thing I can guarantee
you is that nothing was faked. The only issue
with those things is they have to capsize into
an hour. Most of the time, almost all the time,
it was never just an hour. It was over a span
of days, maybe weeks, maybe a couple of different
times coming. I normally always came on at the
end if it was a dark case. I would come on in
the end to do a deliverance of the home or the
person. But it was great. I mean, Ryan was wonderful.
The group, you know, PRS group were great. You
know, Katrina, Heather and all of them. And,
you know, I was really blessed to have that time.
And through that, I got to meet Lorraine. I got
to meet Chip Coffey. I got to meet Michelle Belanger.
So it really was a door opener for me to make
contacts. I enjoyed the time until, unfortunately,
it got to such an extent that I was a full -time
pastor. So, you know, you have a full -time job.
And some of the things, the cases, I had to be
on notice because they wouldn't fully know, you
know, if there really was a dark entity. So I
found it too much, but I really enjoyed the time
being with them and learned a lot. That's amazing.
Yeah, that is amazing because I tell you what,
that was one of my most favorite television paranormal
research shows that I've ever watched. Yeah,
I'll tell you probably why, too, as well. What
attracted me, well, first of all, what attracted
me was the fact that I wasn't afraid to use prayer,
but also because they were so client -oriented.
It wasn't about getting your fix of haunted places.
I mean, we did go to some places for conferences
and they had ghost hunts and all that. But that
wasn't the primary purpose of PRS. It was client
-oriented. And I think people resonated with
that. I know I did. Oh, yeah. No, I definitely
did as well. It wasn't like over sensationalized
like some of the shows you see today. No, no.
And Ryan had to fight for that. You know, there
were times they would, you know, you don't always
get these great, you know, when you say sensational
things that happen, it's not always a paradox.
And, you know, that doesn't sit right with people,
you know, with the show. They want sensational
all the time. Oh, yeah. So, you know, they may
want to lead it in a direction that out of integrity,
it's not fair. So Ryan had to fight on times
for that. And I applauded him for that. Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah, I've been trying to get Ryan
to come on the show for a while now. I know he
was going through some things for a little bit,
but he's back on the, you know, the grind again
with the paranormal, which I'm so happy to see.
And he's doing well. Yeah, I'll be seeing him
in May. Oh, awesome. Yeah. That's going to be
a great reunion. Well, actually, believe it or
not, we had kept in contact through emails and
even phone calls and stuff, but we hadn't seen
each other since I had left the show. So what
happened was last year I went to Gettysburg for
the Nesper Paracon, and Ryan was there. reconnect.
For me, it was a very emotional, really great
thing. This time, he invited me to go to the
penitentiary in Virginia, which I had gone with
them before, and then also in San Antonio, Texas.
That's awesome. Yeah. So and I also last year,
you know, thanks to Dave Giuliano, the White
Hill Mansion in New Jersey, I went to that and
I got to meet Katrina and Heather after a long
time. And that was very emotional for me. I was
just going to ask. Yeah, I was just going to
ask if you've seen the rest of the cast. That's
great. Yeah. I keep in touch with Sergi and his
wife. We're friends on Facebook. The others I
have not, you know, I have not been in contact
with. Wow, that is amazing. I love what Katrina
has done with the field as well. Katrina has
really done very well as a female paranormal
researcher. She is, like, really excelling, and
I love it. I love seeing what she's doing. She's
coming to her own. Yeah, she has. And everything
she puts out, I love watching. Absolutely. Yep.
So, but yeah, I tell you, it's, it's, it's an
amazing, it's an amazing field. You know, there's
a lot of unfortunate, you know, downtimes with
people faking evidence nowadays and not taking,
obviously it's serious and provoking and doing
very dangerous things for viewers and followers
and stuff like that nowadays or for the YouTube.
But the whole point of, you know, bringing you
on, one of the reasons was to really express
to people. the seriousness behind what they're
doing, you know, this field. And that is not
a joke, you know? No. Seances and, you know,
using different tools that they don't know how
to properly use is going to cause more problems.
And it's going to be doors that they can't close
on their own. Meeting to people like yourself
and father Torres happened to get involved. What
was that? Oh, I said it's going to lead to them
opening all these doorways that they don't have.
Oh, yeah, yes. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And
that's the thing, you know, because there's so
much misinformation on TV shows that show things,
people, that's where they're taking their truth
from. You know, that's what they're taking their
example from. And, you know, and without a healthy.
I don't fear evil. I don't fear haunted objects.
But I have a healthy respect in that I don't
go looking for things. And I know how to approach
it if I have to. And I don't think a lot of these
people do. They're looking, unfortunately, for
the thrill of it. And I understand that. I totally
get it when I was younger. I mean, who doesn't
want to hear? go into a haunted place and get
activity. You know, it's a temptation. But it
also can be dangerous. You know, there are things
called you can get an attachment and bring it
home. Well, that's happened. Now, I wanted to
ask you with the work that you do and obviously
your faith. Now, have you ever brought an attachment
home? I have not. No, not that I know of. Okay,
great. That's great. Yeah, but my assistant did.
We did it. As a matter of fact, it's one of the
scariest cases. Actually, they covered it on
The Haunted, believe it or not. You can get it
on YouTube. It's called Demonic Seduction. It's
on The Haunted. And we did a case in the convenience
store, and it was a pretty intense case. One
of our guys, tech guys, got bit in the forearm
like a snake bite. And then, you know, it was
successful. But unfortunately, one of the demons
traveled home with my assistant and began to
wreak havoc at his home. so we had to do a deliverance
over him uh and the home oh wow but you can see
that you can see that if you go onto the youtube
and look under the haunted uh you know it's called
demonic seduction oh yeah we're watching that
tonight for sure yeah I mean, I'm sorry that
that happened. That's very intense. I mean, I
can't even imagine what that's like, you know,
to have one of the demons come home. But my question
about it is, how did you know it was one of the
demons? Did it, like, have the same similar,
like, signs as what you guys were dealing with
before? No, only the timing of it. Oh, okay.
You know, that it... It was right after we were
coming home, and there would be no other reason
for that to happen. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't
know. And the evidence that was caught was compelling,
even at the home. We had another guy, a tech
guy, scratched in the back. Oh, wow. And they
showed that. A candlestick moving in the middle
of the night on its own. We got that caught on
camera. um we got a banshee you know one of those
screaming demons um you can hear it and nobody
else heard it in the neighborhood oh my god so
that is wow i i would love to see that footage
of the candle and stuff oh my gosh It's on there.
Oh, is it? Oh, I cannot wait to see it. Oh, the
screaming, the candle, the scratches, all of
that. Oh, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, because
as a team, you know, we filmed that footage because,
you know, we always do those kind of things so
that I can refer to them and learn from them.
So we gave that to The Haunted and, you know,
so they incorporated it into the thing. So it
was... you know more than just a recreation it
was actual they showed actual footage oh i can't
wait that's going to be amazing for like the
actual footage yes yeah yeah now tell me what
do you have coming up in the future do you have
anything coming up in the near future Yeah, I've
got a few more podcasts, which I find fun. I
enjoy it because I think it's a great educational
tool. I enjoy doing that. At the end of April,
I'll be going to St. Albans Sanatorium, giving
a workshop there. That's in, I think, Virginia
or West Virginia. st albans and then in may i'm
going on a road trip and that will be going to
eastern state penitentiary we're also going to
what is it western state eastern state i forget
eastern state i guess and then i'm going to uh
go to new orleans and then um oh that's gonna
be san antonio texas yeah oh that's gonna be
amazing Now, Tommy, can people come to the workshop
on the first one you were telling us about, the
one that's first coming up? Yeah, is there a
possibility for people to still get tickets for
that? I would think so. They just have to call
St. Albans. And it's the weekend of the 25th
to the 27th or whatever the Friday, Saturday,
Sunday is in April. Yeah, I'm sure they could
still get tickets. Okay, great. Can you explain
a little bit about your workshop? Oh, what I
do, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, well, generally...
Without playing too much. No, depending on the
need. There are times when... People ask for
prayer like as simple as there was a lady who
was having being attacked in her dreams. So,
you know, I, you know, she lived maybe three
minutes, half hour away from me. So she came
over and I was able to pray over her and do deliverance
and, you know, pray for protection over her from.
attacks on the dreams and thanks be to god to
this day she still you know she had said me and
told me that she things are really doing well
um i just did a uh a house that was uh infested
and it was attacking a couple of people in the
house so i did a uh a deliverance actually pop
that will be on Expedition X, I don't know when,
but probably in the fall. They asked, well, they
wanted to, it's a funny thing, they wanted to
interview me, just to interview me because they
had heard about me. So I said, sure, on Deliverance.
So they said, we're working on a home in Rhode
Island. So I said, okay. So I said, by the way,
this is a small state. Could you tell me what
town, you know, just what town it is? He said,
yeah, well, actually, it's right next to the
Conjuring house. I went, oh, my God, Pat's house.
He said, yeah, why? I said, he's a friend of
mine. I said, I've been over there. I said, I've
been over that house to investigate. Yeah, there's
something there. I said that I promised him I
would go and do a deliverance. So they asked
if they could film part of it. And I said, yeah,
fine. I said, if it'll be, you know, a good witness
of. what to do. So they did. And I'm assuming,
I'm assuming that when the, that movie, the final
movie of the conjuring comes out, that it would
probably, they'll probably air it around them
because it, there is a connection between the
conjuring house and that house. So. Now I wanted
to ask what Tammy was asking before. um she uh
we kind of got off track uh she asked before
um your workshops what are um can you tell us
a little bit about what your workshops are about
and what they kind of like are what they wait
there for yeah it depending on the talks i mean
they may just be giving i might just be giving
talks on demonology uh spiritual battle what
to do and all of that. A workshop would be, and
I did that at St. Albans many years ago with
my former partner there, and we would just talk
about what we do, what we do to prepare in the
days of prayer, what we do when we get to the
home. We set up a little altar. We do prayers
of protection, and then the main prayers that
we do. Going into each room with holy incense
and holy water, doing the parameters around the
house, burying four blessed metals on the four
corners of the property, and then putting salt
around there to create a hedge after the deliverance.
And then how to address, how to prepare, and
then how to do the prayers and warnings about.
don't start doing it in your own name if it's
a demon. So it's like a hands -on workshop that
I haven't done yet. I'm hoping to be able to
do that in some places now that we're established
again. I'm not sure if St. Albans is one, but
I'll also be actually be doing it with a shaman.
He'll be coming with me. So we'll be talking
about different traditions. You mentioned burying
the metals in the four corners of the house.
I've heard of other items being buried as well
or used in different practices, different faiths,
different beliefs. yep yeah i i usually do the
uh the metal of simbenedic because it's an exercise
metal but it can be any kind of blessed metal
that we do and and what it kind of does it what
it does is create a a um like a hedge of protection
you know uh and it's funny that when one of the
houses that i that i did That house I just talked
about, I had him go out and bury the four medals,
and he could hear something in the woods behind
him. And I said, what did you go alone for? Because
it spooked him, but he did it. But, you know,
since then, since then, there's been no activity.
So thank God for that. Yeah, that's great. I
mean, there are different things. I also have
a devotion to the souls in our Catholic faith.
We believe that there are purgatorial souls and
also that there are some earthbound souls. So
a lot of times, without doing every Mass that
I celebrate, is ask St. Michael and the other
saints to bring me souls that are ready to go
into the light. by the prayers of the Mass, would
be enough to bring them. And then after communion,
I just close my eyes, I picture the light, and
I just ask St. Michael with his fiery sword to
go in and then to the St. Nicholas to bring them,
to escort them, and to go into the light. And
so far... That's amazing. Yeah. And going to
cemeteries. I do the same thing in the cemetery.
I go to historical cemeteries when I can. Yeah.
No, yeah. It's crazy that you said that because
when I was taught to actually do it, I was working
with a medium for a while. She was amazing. Her
accuracy was unfathomable. I've never seen someone
with such a gift before. And she never did it
for money. She always just did it to help people.
And she never wanted to, like, work in the without
like working with the light she wanted to always
work like obviously with the light she never
wanted to go into the realm of what we would
call purgatory um that area where the souls need
help so when she met me she was like i'm willing
to try it to try and help these souls to help
you do your work And when we worked together,
I had the same experience that you were just
talking about. And the same thing happened. And
it was just it was it was amazing. It really
was to watch them cross over and now have the
ability to be able to help them. You know, it's
such a good feeling because I've had them come
back and actually say thank you in other sessions.
So it's amazing. And that's what I look forward
to. They're going to be there. When our life
is ended, you know, and it's time for us to go.
But, yeah, and even the souls, they can help
us. They just can't help themselves. So, you
know, they help us. We help them. It's a beautiful
doctrine that we have in the Catholic faith called
the communion of saints, the saints in heaven.
the saints that are on their way, you know, purgatorial
souls and those of us here still on earth. So
there's, there's a networking between us, a beautiful
networking. Amen to that. Amen for that. Well,
no, I just think it's beautiful. I think it just
brings me to thinking about like some of the
locations that I've actually investigated at
and how they, they have like contracts where
they don't want you to like, cross before it's
over and that always bothered me because it it
feels like they're using them as like a you know
a circus act and it's sad i agree wholeheartedly
that's because you have part for for the real
you know for the souls themselves uh yeah i i
just i i really i'm conflicted with that because
of that fact and um You know, I want to pray
for the souls no matter where I go. I'm sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. Absolutely. Absolutely.
And I had that happen at Montana State Prison.
They told us that we couldn't do that. And I
told the lady at the end, I said, well, let me
ask you a question. I said, if that was your
grandmother or your, say, son who was trapped
in that building, wouldn't you want to let him
free or let her free? Would you allow her to
be stuck here forever if you had the choice?
And then she looked at me and she was like, well,
you know, we are a business. And I'm like, it
doesn't matter. I said, it's not like these spirits
are not going to come back to a location. It's
just obviously set them free. You know what I
mean? Like, come on. That's the problem. It becomes
a business. That's where it's kind of all going
wrong. I mean, every time you turn around, there
are haunted locations. And, yeah, because it's
a reality. I don't know to capitalize on that.
It's just, it's, it's tough. It is. It's a tough
one. You know, it's hard because I can't do it.
I've been asked like, why don't I try to make
money off of this and all that type of stuff.
And you know, it bothers me and I don't want
to make money off it. And the reason being is
because I have so much respect for this field
because of the souls and because of the people
that have lost people. It's like, I feel like
I'm doing myself a disservice by asking somebody,
There are people that are out there doing $225
for a paranormal one -on -one or 101 hot -up
paranormal. It's like, are you serious right
now? You're going to take $225 from a person
to do that? Like, that's just such low integrity
in my eyes. You know what I mean? And that's
the thing, too. I mean, we believe that, you
know, sometimes when I go to a house, It won't
be an earthbound or necessarily a purgatorial
spirit, but a spirit that's already crossed over
and with God. Now, don't forget, when you die,
you don't have a body, so you're not subject
to time and space anymore. If the angels, if
your guardian angel, which we believe is before
the throne of God always, but also by our side,
they can bilocate. So, you know, there's no time
or space. Some of these spirits are like guardian
spirits, their loved ones or whatever. And we
believe, and that's a beautiful thing about the
community of saints too, is that, you know, they're
around us, you know, watching over us. How many
times will a loved one die so we sense them,
you know, around us? So we don't have to worry
about that, you know. Like a lot of these castles
in England and in Scotland or whatever, You know,
they have these hauntings, haunted castles, but
those are residual hauntings, mostly. You know,
they're there whether you see them or not. They're
like a projector going. That's a whole different
story than someone who's trapped. Yes. Yes, absolutely.
I agree. I totally agree. Completely, 100%. Yeah.
Somebody, do you want to ask them the moral question?
I had a question a second ago and then it disappeared
and we started talking. Yeah. If it comes back.
So my question is, Father, is what piece of advice
would you give to a person just starting out
in this field? If you had to give one piece of
advice, what would it be? Be prepared. Always
be prepared what you're doing. And treat it,
you know, if you go into this, you have to have
some degree of faith. Whatever your faith is,
make sure you're grounded when you're going to
do this work and prepared before you go into
these things. And because you don't know what
you're walking into. And be client -oriented.
That's all, you know. Be it for the help of people,
not for your own glory to feel experiences. Amen.
Amen to that. I totally agree with that. Amen.
Yeah. Oh, so what I was going to mention was,
like, I noticed there's a lot of people who are,
like, what you would call, like, more like ghost
hunters now. you know they're going into a location
and they're some of them are doing home cases
which is really scary to me and they can go and
stir things up and leave because they don't know
how to handle the situation whereas you know
they're not doing any like you know background
work before going in you know the actual research
part you know asking the right questions following
a protocol. There needs to be more education
on following a protocol when you're going to
handle a home case. Yes. I think you guys...
Oh, okay. Are you guys still frozen? I am, but
you guys froze a little bit. Are you? Oh, sorry
about that. That might be our connection. Apologies.
Okay. Well, StreamYard, I know. I've been on
a few different ones, and this happens. It's
not uncommon. But, yeah, I agree. With home cases,
yeah, you've got to do your protocols. You've
got to do – we have with Father Ken, you know,
he's got this whole long protocol before we do
a case, and it's very comprehensive, and it may
seem like it's a – you know, cumbersome, but
we've got to create, we've got to understand,
you know, what the case is that we're going so
we can best help the people. You know, and I
understand the natural curiosity. I really do.
I get it. We all have that. But if you follow
the protocols and you get activity, all the better
for you, I guess. You experience it. It helps
to solidify your belief in the afterlife. That
can't be the reason why you're going in. And
again, yeah, you're right. It's not for the thrill
of the activity and the experiences, especially
when you're client -oriented. And yeah, how many
times does that happen? How many times these
guys are going in with Ouija boards and brought
things in, open doors, then we have to go in.
But it's not as easy to find the portals. you
know, to close them. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah. No, I just have my house where
I still look and try to find, finding out, try
to where the portal is, you know, or, or where
the other one is, you know, once you close one,
you may not be closing all. No. Father, how would
you close a portal? Basically, what I do is I
just command. I use a prayer command, and I ask
the blood of Jesus to cover it. And then what
I do is I'll sprinkle holy salt or holy water,
whatever I have, and place a blessed metal in
the place, whether it be the room or a windowsill,
whatever the area of where. you know, in the
vicinity of where it is. It's all intent. So
my intent is that it's sealed. And I ask the
angels to guard so that nothing can go through
anymore. Yeah. No, that is absolutely amazing.
Thank you for telling me that. That's some great
knowledge. Appreciate that. But Father, I want
to say thank you so much for your time. We truly
appreciate you coming on, spreading some knowledge.
I wanted to ask if you were available to come
on again sometime because there's so much more
I want to pick your brain about. So I would love
to have you on. Yeah. Keep in touch. Absolutely.
Definitely. We definitely will. So thank you
so much for your time today. And we really do
appreciate you a lot. Keep up with the great
work. Thank you. Thank you. God bless all of
you. God bless you. Bye -bye. Bye. Wow, babe.
So I tell you what, this was an amazing episode.
And the reason being is, you know, I didn't know
exactly what route I was going to take for question
wise or what way I was going to go with things
at first. But I tell you what, the knowledge
that Father Bob had was just right on point of
what I was going to ask. Oh, absolutely. I mean,
his experience, like his vast experience that
he's been doing this for quite a while. I mean,
I look forward to, I'm actually interested in
his workshops. Oh, yeah. Very interested. Yeah.
I'd love to attend sometime. Yeah, I would too.
I was just, it's funny that you said that because
I was thinking that when we were on the show
and he said it and I was asking, I was thinking
like, well, where was that, you know, workshop
at? Right. That's great. I hope everyone enjoyed
this show. We had a great time with Father Bob.
If you ever need anything, reach out to him.
Father Bob Bailey. You can find him on Facebook.
You can probably find him on all social medias.
Definitely check out his page. Become friends
with him. He does amazing things. I know it.
because of the people on network that he works
with are just amazing group of people absolutely
and we're definitely checking out that episode
of 100 tonight oh 110 we're about to go check
it out right now all right guys thank you so
much for watching another episode of talking
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so much for your support, like I said, and we
truly appreciate you. Again, I'm AJ, this is
Tammy, and we are signing off. Later. Now, this
is the area where apparently you can hear the
whistling of Art or Arthur, the man that died
of a heart attack, constructing this part of
the lift locks. Yeah, that's where we actually
went right down there. It's just trees. The biggest
animal we're going to get in here is a badger
or a deer. But if it was a deer, we'd be seeing
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