WEBVTT 00:01:01.130 --> 00:01:03.689 What's going on, everybody? This is AJ Capasso 00:01:03.689 --> 00:01:05.750 here with Talking With The Source. I'm here with 00:01:05.750 --> 00:01:07.870 my beautiful girlfriend, Tammy. Tammy, how are 00:01:07.870 --> 00:01:10.310 you today? I'm doing great. How are you? Good, 00:01:10.349 --> 00:01:12.430 good. Everything is good. We are here together, 00:01:12.650 --> 00:01:14.989 and that's all that matters. So I'm super excited. 00:01:15.549 --> 00:01:18.409 Got a new tattoo. She gave me a tattoo, which 00:01:18.409 --> 00:01:22.430 is kind of hard for everyone to see. But she 00:01:22.430 --> 00:01:24.650 does tattoos, and I'm super excited that I got 00:01:24.650 --> 00:01:26.829 to be one of the guinea pigs out of the many 00:01:26.829 --> 00:01:30.079 that are going to be underneath her skin. It's 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:31.780 going to be good, but she's an amazing artist, 00:01:31.859 --> 00:01:35.120 so I'm super pumped to have her doing it. But 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.159 babe, today we have an awesome guest coming on. 00:01:37.219 --> 00:01:39.519 He's one of my good friends. His name is Chris 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:42.359 Mack. I just want to introduce him real quick. 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:46.819 He is a paranormal researcher. He also helps 00:01:46.819 --> 00:01:49.939 out over at Pennhurst Asylum, and I'll have him 00:01:49.939 --> 00:01:51.959 talk a little bit more about it when he comes 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.900 on. But I just want to introduce him, Chris Mack. 00:01:55.019 --> 00:01:59.030 Let me bring him forward. Chris, what's going 00:01:59.030 --> 00:02:04.150 on, buddy? How are you? Good. So, man, tell me 00:02:04.150 --> 00:02:07.250 a little bit about your experience as a paranormal 00:02:07.250 --> 00:02:09.669 researcher. Tell the followers a little bit about 00:02:09.669 --> 00:02:12.009 yourself and a little bit about what we should 00:02:12.009 --> 00:02:20.590 know. All right. Well, I've been learning in 00:02:20.590 --> 00:02:23.889 Pennhurst. Pennhurst was my first, well, my first. 00:02:26.359 --> 00:02:29.280 Biggest location I have been to. To be honest 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:36.020 with you. And. For some reason. For some reason. 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:42.360 I came. For some reason. What I realized. Is 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:49.979 that. Panera's call to me. Which is. Which is 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:55.159 very weird. And. I don't know how to explain 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:00.449 it. so no i totally get it totally get it there's 00:03:00.449 --> 00:03:02.650 places that call out the certain investigators 00:03:02.650 --> 00:03:04.930 there's places that i that call out to me as 00:03:04.930 --> 00:03:07.569 well like mine is waverly hills i've never been 00:03:07.569 --> 00:03:09.949 there but that place calls out to me non -stop 00:03:09.949 --> 00:03:16.270 but um and then when i got there to penthouse 00:03:16.270 --> 00:03:22.009 um for every reason i felt like a spirit latch 00:03:22.009 --> 00:03:25.629 onto me to start Making me find all these records. 00:03:26.009 --> 00:03:31.469 And documents. Wow. For some reason. Because. 00:03:32.009 --> 00:03:39.509 I was telling myself. That. I shouldn't be finding 00:03:39.509 --> 00:03:43.069 all these. But for some reason. I found almost. 00:03:44.229 --> 00:03:50.150 Every single. Almost newspapers. But. Mostly 00:03:50.150 --> 00:03:56.509 newspapers. Some documents. I'm like, I shouldn't 00:03:56.509 --> 00:04:00.069 be finding any of this or looking at this, but 00:04:00.069 --> 00:04:05.870 I did. Tell me, were you happy that you did? 00:04:06.310 --> 00:04:10.229 Yes, I did. I am, actually. And what is the reason? 00:04:10.930 --> 00:04:13.930 The reason, I think, is because they wanted me 00:04:13.930 --> 00:04:17.269 to know that they wanted me to tell their story. 00:04:18.230 --> 00:04:22.879 I believe that. Absolutely. Because... There's 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.819 like I said, there's no explanation as to why. 00:04:28.379 --> 00:04:33.879 As to why I found all these resources about this 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.860 place. It's weird. Now, tell me, what work do 00:04:38.860 --> 00:04:41.800 you do with them now? And are you still obviously 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:44.259 together with Pennhurst? Do you still help them 00:04:44.259 --> 00:04:49.819 out? How does it work? I still I I'm in what 00:04:49.819 --> 00:04:57.259 I'm doing. What I do is called Pennhurst Memorial. 00:04:57.740 --> 00:05:02.959 I help them over there to find it. And then what 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.579 they do, they probably bring it over there to 00:05:05.579 --> 00:05:11.879 Pennhurst. So to tell, you know, see what's good 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.819 and what's not appropriate. Absolutely. Tell 00:05:16.819 --> 00:05:19.519 me, what inspired you to become a paranormal 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:24.329 researcher, man? I think it's mostly Pennhurst. 00:05:24.730 --> 00:05:27.350 Mostly. Mostly Pennhurst? Was that like your 00:05:27.350 --> 00:05:32.050 first experience ever? Because I actually felt 00:05:32.050 --> 00:05:35.449 really tired. When I, I was sitting down the 00:05:35.449 --> 00:05:37.350 first time I went there, I was sitting down on 00:05:37.350 --> 00:05:41.350 the ground doing, doing an investigation. All 00:05:41.350 --> 00:05:43.370 of a sudden, I started feeling really tired. 00:05:44.949 --> 00:05:46.850 Yeah, I can feel you. I felt drained. They were 00:05:46.850 --> 00:05:50.550 draining your energy? Yeah, like drained. And 00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:55.410 then I saw the... flashlight flickering and I'm 00:05:55.410 --> 00:05:58.889 like, that shouldn't be going off like flickering. 00:06:00.629 --> 00:06:03.350 Yeah, no, definitely. There was just too much 00:06:03.350 --> 00:06:06.550 coincidence that lined up for you to say it was 00:06:06.550 --> 00:06:09.949 something else besides anything besides spirit, 00:06:10.069 --> 00:06:14.490 right? Yep. I feel you on that. So now I started 00:06:14.490 --> 00:06:17.069 investigating other places like Fairfield State 00:06:17.069 --> 00:06:22.399 Hospital. Oh, nice. And then I got in there. 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.939 I can tell you right now, I felt a spirit hold 00:06:25.939 --> 00:06:29.300 my hand in that place. See, I got to talk to 00:06:29.300 --> 00:06:31.279 you about that because I live near there and 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.980 I wasn't able to get in there. I got to ask you 00:06:33.980 --> 00:06:37.860 how you got in there. We'll talk about it after 00:06:37.860 --> 00:06:43.180 the show. But yeah, I felt a spirit hold my hand. 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:50.720 Wow. I'm like, my hand felt really cold. And 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:54.839 then all of a sudden, when I told my dad that 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.740 we were going up the stairs, we actually heard 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:01.240 a spirit coming up the stairs. It was right in 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:05.639 front of me. Wow, that had to be scary. No, it 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.600 wasn't. I thought it was cool because the spirit 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.740 was right next to me. No, that's awesome. That's 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:13.360 awesome. I mean, for me, I think even though 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.139 I'm a paranormal researcher and all, I'm terrified 00:07:16.139 --> 00:07:18.949 of the dark. So, like, if I hear something run 00:07:18.949 --> 00:07:21.029 up behind me in the dark and it's not a human 00:07:21.029 --> 00:07:24.029 being, my first thought is it is a human being 00:07:24.029 --> 00:07:27.069 and it freaks me out and I get nervous. So, I 00:07:27.069 --> 00:07:28.589 mean, it would have been totally okay if you 00:07:28.589 --> 00:07:30.310 did get nervous. But since you're cooler than 00:07:30.310 --> 00:07:33.389 me, I guess you didn't get nervous. No, because 00:07:33.389 --> 00:07:38.730 I'm calm. Because spirits or demons, they feed 00:07:38.730 --> 00:07:42.250 off fear. So I'm trying to keep calm as much 00:07:42.250 --> 00:07:45.620 as possible. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I 00:07:45.620 --> 00:07:48.519 completely understand that. That's a good logic 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.579 behind it. But it's more of the adrenaline. Yeah, 00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:55.579 absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I'm the same 00:07:55.579 --> 00:07:58.319 way. Like if I get it, there's evidence. Sorry, 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:00.579 go ahead. What'd you say, Chris? It's more excitement. 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.019 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's turned into 00:08:04.019 --> 00:08:06.120 for me too, as well. I mean, like, I don't obviously 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.379 run the opposite way. I run towards it now, but 00:08:08.379 --> 00:08:10.740 you know, it's funny to be like, if you're in 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:12.439 the pitch dark and you hear someone run up behind 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.699 you, it's a frightening thing to hear. oh yeah 00:08:14.699 --> 00:08:18.839 you know and then i started going to ledgworth 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:26.279 i started going there and cops has some weird 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.939 some weird stuff in there but not much goes on 00:08:30.939 --> 00:08:37.600 in there but other than that mostly um fairfield 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:43.950 sea hospital um ledgworth penthouse Mostly all 00:08:43.950 --> 00:08:47.309 the hospitals I've been to I have connection 00:08:47.309 --> 00:08:52.809 with. That's awesome. It seems like specifically 00:08:52.809 --> 00:08:56.870 hospitals call to you? Yeah. I'm just trying 00:08:56.870 --> 00:09:01.990 to figure out what do they want from me? Can 00:09:01.990 --> 00:09:06.250 I ask you a question? Yeah. At what age did you 00:09:06.250 --> 00:09:08.669 ever have a paranormal experience when you were 00:09:08.669 --> 00:09:12.580 younger? Yeah. You did? When I was little. Can 00:09:12.580 --> 00:09:15.960 you talk about that? When I was little, when 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.000 I was little, I used to live in an apartment. 00:09:22.019 --> 00:09:26.519 And my mom told me, was saying, what are you 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.519 looking at in the hallway? What are you looking 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.580 at in the hallway? Because I saw it was my grandma 00:09:31.580 --> 00:09:35.679 walking up and down the hallway. And all of a 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:38.179 sudden, it went in my mom's room and it went 00:09:38.179 --> 00:09:42.629 through the closet. And I chased after it. Wow. 00:09:42.809 --> 00:09:45.769 And disappeared in the closet. And then after 00:09:45.769 --> 00:09:50.809 that, she got a phone call. Basically, I got 00:09:50.809 --> 00:09:53.970 a phone call right down the street, right down 00:09:53.970 --> 00:09:56.889 the street. A woman died in a car accident. Oh, 00:09:56.889 --> 00:10:03.830 wow. Yeah. And we just had another experience 00:10:03.830 --> 00:10:09.809 downstairs right now. The dryer sheets actually 00:10:09.809 --> 00:10:14.240 fell in the washing machine. Oh, wow. Yeah. And 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.179 that just happened? Recently. And we can't, we 00:10:18.179 --> 00:10:22.220 can't, we, like, a few minutes ago, I think. 00:10:23.379 --> 00:10:25.840 Like. So you're getting activity at your home, 00:10:25.860 --> 00:10:31.779 too. Yeah, because my grandpa passed away. And 00:10:31.779 --> 00:10:35.960 my. Sorry to hear that. My sister passed away 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:40.990 from a car accident. Oh, I'm sorry. And. my grandpa 00:10:40.990 --> 00:10:46.669 died from covet so it explains i think it explains 00:10:46.669 --> 00:10:50.230 why there's activity yeah i know definitely i 00:10:50.230 --> 00:10:52.009 mean it's probably them checking in on you guys 00:10:52.009 --> 00:10:57.269 yeah so i have nothing to worry about so no i'm 00:10:57.269 --> 00:11:00.590 not affected or anything yeah good that's really 00:11:00.590 --> 00:11:04.309 good you have guardians yeah and i'm wearing 00:11:04.309 --> 00:11:11.429 st benedict so that's good but it's There's some 00:11:11.429 --> 00:11:15.509 things in this house I can't explain. So when 00:11:15.509 --> 00:11:18.370 you started working at Pennhurst, did you pick 00:11:18.370 --> 00:11:22.950 Pennhurst because of the activity there? Mostly 00:11:22.950 --> 00:11:27.169 calling. You felt really called there? Because 00:11:27.169 --> 00:11:31.230 of TV. I can tell you something. When I was sitting 00:11:31.230 --> 00:11:34.990 down downstairs, I was sitting down downstairs 00:11:34.990 --> 00:11:39.620 watching TV with my stepdad and my mom. We're 00:11:39.620 --> 00:11:45.100 watching paranormal shows on TV. Yeah. And all 00:11:45.100 --> 00:11:50.759 I ever been seeing is, is kept saying Pennhurst, 00:11:50.860 --> 00:11:53.379 Pennhurst, Pennhurst, Pennhurst, Pennhurst over 00:11:53.379 --> 00:11:59.159 and over and over and over again. I'm like, I 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:03.659 think I got to go there because. Yeah. Because 00:12:03.659 --> 00:12:06.419 there's no explanation. Why is it calling to 00:12:06.419 --> 00:12:08.809 me? Because there's no reason. It's like, it's 00:12:08.809 --> 00:12:11.409 either calling to me or I'm turning into a schizophrenic. 00:12:11.429 --> 00:12:15.149 One of the two. There's no, I mean, yeah. And 00:12:15.149 --> 00:12:18.110 then I told my, I told my stepdad, I'm, I'm not 00:12:18.110 --> 00:12:20.769 scared. I understand the dark, but I'm not scared 00:12:20.769 --> 00:12:25.149 to go there. Yeah. They want me there. Yeah. 00:12:25.330 --> 00:12:32.450 Why? I don't know, but that's how it happened. 00:12:32.509 --> 00:12:36.960 How I became mostly investigator. Well, tell 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:40.559 me, what are some methods and equipment do you 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:44.299 use during your investigation when you have paranormal 00:12:44.299 --> 00:12:46.740 activity and stuff? What are some methods and 00:12:46.740 --> 00:12:50.779 tools you use? I have a REM pod, K2 meter, RIP 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:54.360 recorder, and I understand people don't like 00:12:54.360 --> 00:13:02.139 apps, but I use a spirit talker. Nice. I use 00:13:02.139 --> 00:13:05.340 the spirit talker because the reason why I use 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:09.519 it is because I actually use it for research 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.960 to make sure if it's actually what the spirit 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.100 talker is talking about. If, if this is true 00:13:17.100 --> 00:13:20.480 or not, you know, I type it in online to see 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.759 what it means or, you know, if it's debunked 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.519 or there's nothing there, you know, or it'd be 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:33.570 just coincidence, but. I believe when I was talking 00:13:33.570 --> 00:13:36.809 to a spirit, I was in a cemetery with my stepdad. 00:13:37.210 --> 00:13:42.090 Yeah. And all of a sudden, the spirit said, we're 00:13:42.090 --> 00:13:44.789 going to leave. It said, we're going to leave 00:13:44.789 --> 00:13:49.649 soon, and then we're going to leave. And it said, 00:13:49.730 --> 00:13:53.809 come back again. Wow. Because you can't explain 00:13:53.809 --> 00:13:58.169 that. No. No, you definitely can't. It's a direct 00:13:58.169 --> 00:14:04.210 response. Yeah. Because I can't really explain 00:14:04.210 --> 00:14:06.649 that. And then the Necrophonic, I got some good 00:14:06.649 --> 00:14:11.029 stuff on that thing. I love that thing. There's 00:14:11.029 --> 00:14:13.950 so many mixed reviews on Necrophonic. And I don't 00:14:13.950 --> 00:14:16.330 understand it in a way because it's like the 00:14:16.330 --> 00:14:19.230 way that Keith Weldon made it was there's phonemes 00:14:19.230 --> 00:14:22.970 in a bank that replays over and over and over 00:14:22.970 --> 00:14:26.909 again. And the phonemes are just at all. you 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:29.490 know like just regular phonemes that are mixed 00:14:29.490 --> 00:14:32.409 together in a certain way and you just add a 00:14:32.409 --> 00:14:34.669 little reverb to it and i tell you what the frequency 00:14:34.669 --> 00:14:37.669 whatever's behind that box or whatever is behind 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:40.389 maybe the frequency of the phone or the tablet 00:14:40.389 --> 00:14:43.009 or whatever you're using the spirits are able 00:14:43.009 --> 00:14:46.070 to tap into it and make those words come right 00:14:46.070 --> 00:14:49.250 out of that device. And I've heard my cousin 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:52.330 and my niece's name come through. And her name 00:14:52.330 --> 00:14:55.129 is not a normal name. Her name is Acadia. And 00:14:55.129 --> 00:14:57.490 her name came through. And her full name came 00:14:57.490 --> 00:15:01.690 through. And her name is a long, full name. Here's 00:15:01.690 --> 00:15:05.070 another thing. When I was with friends of mine, 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:12.289 we were in the mansion. That's my friends. Oh, 00:15:12.289 --> 00:15:14.509 that's awesome. Well, hey, Seeking Ghosts with 00:15:14.509 --> 00:15:17.960 A &L. I've been investigating them for a very 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.759 long time. That's awesome. That's awesome. We 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:26.220 go to abandoned places. Oh, wow. We were in, 00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:31.220 like, a big mansion. I can't say the location 00:15:31.220 --> 00:15:35.539 or anything like that. So I can just say mansion. 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:40.559 But we were in a mansion where we're using the 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.120 necrophonic. And all of a sudden, I actually 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:49.299 kept repeating to myself. And then all of a sudden, 00:15:49.419 --> 00:15:55.639 a guy just said, Chris Mack. Wow. With the necrophonic. 00:15:55.659 --> 00:16:01.240 Clear as day. Like, it got mad. That's cool. 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:07.039 I'm like, okay. I said, I'm not going to answer 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:13.210 to that. Because that means big no -no. why now 00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:15.590 tell me what is your thoughts on it why why do 00:16:15.590 --> 00:16:19.210 you say big no no because you never know what's 00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:23.110 going to happen because it could be what do you 00:16:23.110 --> 00:16:26.370 think it could be something dark it could be 00:16:26.370 --> 00:16:29.210 which i can believe there is some dark in the 00:16:29.210 --> 00:16:35.389 house but oh yeah definitely and but um you know 00:16:35.389 --> 00:16:41.490 it could be anything in the house but I just 00:16:41.490 --> 00:16:44.730 believe there's something there. Thank you, Seeking 00:16:44.730 --> 00:16:46.750 Ghosts. We appreciate you a lot for that. And 00:16:46.750 --> 00:16:49.610 we will definitely sub back to you. But the reason 00:16:49.610 --> 00:16:51.389 why I'm asking you this question is because, 00:16:51.730 --> 00:16:54.549 you know, when I get my name that comes through, 00:16:54.590 --> 00:16:58.230 it excites me. And I actually go and communicate 00:16:58.230 --> 00:17:01.210 more with it. The only time that I will ignore 00:17:01.210 --> 00:17:05.359 or shut off the box is if. I have a spirit that's 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:11.099 saying I'm a demon or F you, F this, F Jesus 00:17:11.099 --> 00:17:14.019 Christ, stuff like that. I just get annoyed. 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.099 I turn the box off. I give them no power. But 00:17:17.099 --> 00:17:19.000 when it comes to someone saying my name, I've 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.519 never gotten the suspicion or the inclination 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:24.599 to say, oh, that should be dark. I better watch 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.180 out for that. Or just by them knowing my name, 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.579 that's a bad deal. So I had to ask you that question 00:17:29.579 --> 00:17:33.380 of why you went that route. Yeah, because it's 00:17:33.380 --> 00:17:37.970 just, You know, it's just for precaution. Yeah, 00:17:37.970 --> 00:17:43.210 personal preference. I totally hear you. I specifically 00:17:43.210 --> 00:17:46.049 asked for them to say my name. Yeah, because 00:17:46.049 --> 00:17:48.529 you never know what's going to happen to you. 00:17:48.650 --> 00:17:50.829 It could be, you know, like I said, it could 00:17:50.829 --> 00:17:55.150 be anything. It could be dark. It could be something 00:17:55.150 --> 00:18:00.910 malevolent. Yeah. Yeah. And you have to make 00:18:00.910 --> 00:18:04.789 sure not to speak to it. If it says your name. 00:18:05.509 --> 00:18:10.009 Yeah. No, definitely. Absolutely. You know, it's 00:18:10.009 --> 00:18:12.250 hard to differentiate who we're even talking 00:18:12.250 --> 00:18:16.069 to or what we're even talking to. Yeah. Your 00:18:16.069 --> 00:18:18.349 intuition on it. If you feel like, you know, 00:18:18.349 --> 00:18:20.930 that's not something you should respond to, then 00:18:20.930 --> 00:18:24.630 absolutely don't respond to it. But I do sometimes, 00:18:24.829 --> 00:18:28.470 but I don't think it was nothing's going to happen, 00:18:28.529 --> 00:18:32.490 but, you know, just to try it and see what will 00:18:32.490 --> 00:18:34.970 happen. nothing really happened when i did it 00:18:34.970 --> 00:18:40.170 but just super cautious now on this topic i wanted 00:18:40.170 --> 00:18:42.490 to ask you have you ever investigated a location 00:18:42.490 --> 00:18:46.710 that made you feel uneasy or frightened not really 00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:50.029 no so everything has been positive for you well 00:18:50.029 --> 00:18:53.329 except for when i was at fairfield state hospital 00:18:53.329 --> 00:18:59.750 because when i i was in the tunnels yeah my god 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.279 I got so bad vibes down there, it's not even 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.920 funny. My whole body felt like electricity going 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:14.519 up. Oh, man. Yeah. I'm like, I told my dad that 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.880 I don't like it down here. I told my dad, I don't 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.519 like it down here. There's something wrong with 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:23.660 these tunnels. I said, I think we should go back. 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:28.079 Like, there's something wrong in here. What did 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:32.539 he say? He said he wants to keep going. Wow. 00:19:33.220 --> 00:19:36.119 He's the man. Excuse my language, but he's a 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:41.420 badass. You know? But seriously, I told him, 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.700 I told him, we got to go back because something 00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:50.200 doesn't feel right. And I said, I'll keep walking. 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.640 So I just follow him. But, you know, once I got 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:01.759 out. Once I got out, I put the K2 on my shoulder 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:04.420 and actually went off and the spirit was following 00:20:04.420 --> 00:20:09.920 me the whole time. Oh, wow. Yeah. On the lines 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.720 of equipment, you mentioned the equipment that 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.519 you use. Do you have a favorite piece of equipment 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:16.460 that you like to use in most of your investigations? 00:20:17.859 --> 00:20:20.640 Anything that lights up. Anything that lights 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:25.519 up? I'm more a light -up person because you gotta 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.480 know where you're dealing with, where you're 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:33.720 talking to, and, you know, or anything that speaks 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:38.319 or lights up. I love the tripwire. Yeah, tripwire, 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.259 I haven't tried it. I don't have one yet. I don't 00:20:42.259 --> 00:20:45.039 have one yet, but I want to, but it's expensive. 00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:50.539 It is. And, but I use, like, more lightweight, 00:20:50.779 --> 00:20:55.640 like, REM pod. I use REM pods. I love... I love 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.619 that thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great piece of 00:20:59.619 --> 00:21:06.740 equipment. I use K2, flashlights, mostly, but 00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:10.859 other than that. That's awesome, man. And I have 00:21:10.859 --> 00:21:16.240 a thermal camera. Oh, nice. Infrared camera. 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.099 Oh, that's cool, man. When I was in Ledgworth, 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:24.319 it actually turned off on me. Oh, wow. I'm like, 00:21:24.989 --> 00:21:28.289 I told my dad that I did not turn that off. I 00:21:28.289 --> 00:21:30.670 swear. I did not turn that off. It was right 00:21:30.670 --> 00:21:33.730 in front of me. It went black. Well, listen, 00:21:33.890 --> 00:21:37.250 if you're ever into looking into an SLS camera 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:41.630 or the brand new XLS camera, our other co -hosts 00:21:41.630 --> 00:21:43.950 that are on the show, their names are from Relatively 00:21:43.950 --> 00:21:46.430 Paranormal, and they have Relatively Paranormal 00:21:46.430 --> 00:21:48.740 equipment. And they actually have the cheapest 00:21:48.740 --> 00:21:52.039 prices for SLS cameras. So if you ever need an 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.259 SLS camera, let me know and I'll talk to them 00:21:54.259 --> 00:21:56.059 for you because they have it on Etsy and stuff. 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:58.579 It's really good, man. They do a really good 00:21:58.579 --> 00:22:01.960 job, really good quality, everything. Like what 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:05.339 is it called? It's called Relatively Paranormal 00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:09.140 Equipment. Oh, that sounds good. I should look 00:22:09.140 --> 00:22:11.819 into that. Yeah, I'll send you the site after 00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:15.339 we get off here. Yeah. For sure. That's awesome, 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.420 man. That's totally awesome. I had another question 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.839 for you, but do you have a question? I did have 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.539 a question, but I forgot what I was going to 00:22:23.539 --> 00:22:29.460 say. All right. What challenges do you face personally 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:35.279 as a paranormal researcher? I do by myself, mostly. 00:22:35.539 --> 00:22:37.940 Yeah, that's why I'm asking. What challenges 00:22:37.940 --> 00:22:40.740 do you face? Because I know with like filming, 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.319 with stuff like that, it's not easy. Yeah, I 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:50.640 don't film mostly because as to paranormal drama 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.220 and other stuff that goes on out in the world, 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.160 like people, you know, you get what I'm saying. 00:22:58.559 --> 00:23:04.980 I try to keep it private because I don't feel 00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:09.019 like hearing people bitching and, you know, it's 00:23:09.019 --> 00:23:11.779 my language. Excuse my French. Oh, no, you can 00:23:11.779 --> 00:23:15.079 swear. You're good. I don't feel like hearing 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:20.140 people you know yeah I feel you as we know as 00:23:20.140 --> 00:23:23.480 we know there's a lot in the field yeah that's 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:27.079 fake you don't know what you're doing you don't 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:28.359 know what you're dealing with I don't want to 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.250 hear that yeah Everybody is better than everybody 00:23:31.250 --> 00:23:33.809 else, but yet those same people can't produce 00:23:33.809 --> 00:23:36.569 the same content as anybody else. So I totally 00:23:36.569 --> 00:23:38.349 understand where you're coming from, man. There's 00:23:38.349 --> 00:23:42.529 a lot of animosity, a lot of bad stuff that goes 00:23:42.529 --> 00:23:44.670 on in our field, unfortunately, and it's really 00:23:44.670 --> 00:23:49.410 sad to see. But on a better note, what is the 00:23:49.410 --> 00:23:52.210 most compelling evidence of the paranormal you 00:23:52.210 --> 00:23:57.430 have ever encountered? Seeing a door open? Seeing 00:23:57.430 --> 00:23:59.750 a door open. Whereabouts? Explain the situation. 00:24:01.589 --> 00:24:07.970 Mostly in the hospital. Everything in the hospital, 00:24:08.109 --> 00:24:10.529 I know, because I have a lot of connection to 00:24:10.529 --> 00:24:12.890 it. Hey, that's all that matters. That's the 00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:15.230 reason why you're probably sent there. Yeah, 00:24:15.329 --> 00:24:20.230 because, you know, it's what brings me, you know, 00:24:20.269 --> 00:24:21.990 where can I go? It's literally your calling. 00:24:22.170 --> 00:24:28.690 Yeah. My go -to, basically. But I would really 00:24:28.690 --> 00:24:34.109 want to investigate a prison one day. What is 00:24:34.109 --> 00:24:37.430 your dream location to investigate? What? Wait, 00:24:37.450 --> 00:24:39.829 what? Like, what would be your dream location? 00:24:46.470 --> 00:24:53.589 I've been to a lot of locations. I don't know. 00:24:54.349 --> 00:24:57.549 All right, so listen, if I can recommend a prison 00:24:57.549 --> 00:24:59.630 for you, if you ever get a chance to go out there, 00:24:59.690 --> 00:25:02.970 me and my buddy John did it alone. It was Montana 00:25:02.970 --> 00:25:05.789 State Prison. We had the entire compound to ourselves, 00:25:06.170 --> 00:25:10.410 man and women prison. The entire compound alone, 00:25:10.769 --> 00:25:14.329 it was $600 plus insurance. You had to buy insurance. 00:25:14.710 --> 00:25:18.529 And you can have two people or more, up to 10 00:25:18.529 --> 00:25:22.009 people, join and go sunning with you. Me and 00:25:22.009 --> 00:25:24.529 my friend John did it alone. It was one of the 00:25:24.529 --> 00:25:27.230 best experiences I've ever had in my life. And 00:25:27.230 --> 00:25:31.829 the amount of evidence that we caught was amazing. 00:25:34.910 --> 00:25:39.400 So definitely check out it. I thought about, 00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:44.420 for my dream prison, I would like to go with 00:25:44.420 --> 00:25:52.880 the prison cross. I forgot what it's called. 00:25:53.859 --> 00:25:57.500 What was that called? Oh, I think I know what 00:25:57.500 --> 00:25:59.460 you're talking about. I can't think of the name. 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.339 Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue. Yeah. 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:09.990 That would be my... dream location, mostly, because 00:26:09.990 --> 00:26:17.349 I heard good stuff about it. Yeah. Seeking Ghosts 00:26:17.349 --> 00:26:20.509 with A &L says Gettysburg. Yep, Gettysburg is 00:26:20.509 --> 00:26:24.509 a good one. I've never been to Gettysburg either. 00:26:24.930 --> 00:26:31.650 I'd love to go. You should. Gettysburg is off 00:26:31.650 --> 00:26:35.210 the charts, actually. I've heard stories, but 00:26:35.210 --> 00:26:38.819 I've never been. You know what? People find actually 00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:42.400 bullets on the ground every single day. Wow. 00:26:42.579 --> 00:26:46.180 In that place. Bullets, like, on the ground. 00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:51.359 Wow. Every single day. People, if you find a 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.759 bullet, you have to return it. You have to bring 00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:59.500 it to, sadly, can't keep it. Yeah. I'm a stickler. 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:04.359 I'd have to keep it. I'd probably get fined, 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:10.559 but I'd have to keep it. But Gettysburg is worth 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:16.599 going. Yeah. Definitely, definitely. We definitely 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:18.299 need to make a trip down there, Chris. That's 00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:22.460 for sure. Whereabouts are you located out of? 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.740 Which one? I'm here in Pennsylvania. Oh, you're 00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:29.079 right in Pennsylvania. So when we come down, 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.039 we should just meet you over at Gettysburg. We 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:35.680 should all go investigate. Yeah. That would be 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:38.559 great. I actually went to the cemetery there. 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:43.220 Tried to sneak in an investigation there. Oh, 00:27:43.220 --> 00:27:47.160 nice. How did that go? Just a little bit. But 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:53.660 I try. I use the Spirit Talker. Nice. Oh, yeah. 00:27:53.980 --> 00:27:55.480 Here's the thing. You want to know something? 00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:00.220 Yeah. For the drive, we're looking for the cash 00:28:00.220 --> 00:28:06.009 down in. And then on the way back. I had a spirit 00:28:06.009 --> 00:28:09.930 talker on the whole time. And once I got into 00:28:09.930 --> 00:28:12.789 town, my spirit talker went up and said, can 00:28:12.789 --> 00:28:19.650 you help me? Oh, wow. It was in town. That's 00:28:19.650 --> 00:28:24.890 what Wade Kirby said. Wow, that is that is absolutely 00:28:24.890 --> 00:28:29.970 crazy. I mean, yeah, I'm like. How how's that 00:28:29.970 --> 00:28:35.710 even possible? The whole time I had it on. Yeah. 00:28:35.710 --> 00:28:38.309 No, you're absolutely right. Now, do you help 00:28:38.309 --> 00:28:42.049 spirit cross over as it is? I just leave them 00:28:42.049 --> 00:28:45.690 be. I just talk to them. I just... Oh, okay. 00:28:45.849 --> 00:28:47.809 I didn't know you had the ability like myself 00:28:47.809 --> 00:28:52.329 to do such a thing. I just do it to find answers. 00:28:53.230 --> 00:28:57.789 Yeah. Why and find documents and records on them 00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:02.440 and protect them, you know? So, tell me, what 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.720 are some records that you have found that have 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:13.079 matched some of your research? There's some things. 00:29:13.180 --> 00:29:22.180 Some. Just some. Not a lot, but I can... I think 00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:28.019 it's... There's one other question I want to 00:29:28.019 --> 00:29:31.220 ask, too, when you get done with this. So let 00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:34.079 me know when you're all set. I can actually show 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.099 you some of the stuff I've been working on. Okay, 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.180 yeah. Can you share your screen? Yeah. Okay, 00:29:41.220 --> 00:29:48.799 I'll put it up when it comes up. Let me see here. 00:30:10.670 --> 00:30:13.470 Can you see it? Yeah, hold on. Coming up right 00:30:13.470 --> 00:30:21.950 now. Boom. There we go. Wow. This is all Pennhurst. 00:30:23.109 --> 00:30:28.630 Oh, my gosh. Really intensive work, man. I love 00:30:28.630 --> 00:30:42.420 it. This is all newspapers, pictures. documents, 00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:49.440 records, birth certificates. Wow. Now that is 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.619 some extensive research right there, my friend. 00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:53.799 That's how you should do some research. Right. 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.500 Let me see if it will pop up with a picture. 00:30:58.579 --> 00:31:01.200 Now, let me ask you a question. Why do you believe 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.019 it's important to remember and share the stories 00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:06.920 of those who lived at Pennhurst? Why is it important 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.319 to give them a voice? Why is it important to 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:13.930 you? Because I just believe they're upset and 00:31:13.930 --> 00:31:18.190 they want their story to be shared and they want 00:31:18.190 --> 00:31:22.390 attention and they want people to know they're 00:31:22.390 --> 00:31:27.750 still there and upset. And they don't know where 00:31:27.750 --> 00:31:31.509 to go. And the question I wanted to ask you before, 00:31:31.869 --> 00:31:34.069 this is a little touchy question, but I want 00:31:34.069 --> 00:31:35.750 to ask you this. I know that you shared this 00:31:35.750 --> 00:31:40.200 with me that you have autism. And how has having 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:43.200 autism influenced your connection to the Pennhurst 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.920 story? Has it brought you closer being on the 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.180 spectrum and knowing what these kids have went 00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:54.180 through? Yep. Basically, that's right. I bet 00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:56.720 you that's like a part of the reason why you 00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.359 were called out too. Yep. Yep. Yeah, I agree 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:08.150 with that. It's crazy. They knew that you would 00:32:08.150 --> 00:32:10.970 tell their story. Yeah, because they chose me 00:32:10.970 --> 00:32:14.650 as the pick. Yeah, and there was a reason for 00:32:14.650 --> 00:32:18.609 that. Yeah. That is absolutely amazing, man. 00:32:18.789 --> 00:32:24.170 It's beautiful. Yeah. They chose me, so I did 00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:28.069 what they wanted me to do. So I just do. And 00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:32.970 I told my stepdad that I said to him, once I 00:32:32.970 --> 00:32:35.410 got back from Pennhurst, I said, I got to help. 00:32:36.760 --> 00:32:40.960 Yeah. Now tell me why. Why are you so passionate 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.779 about recovering the lost records at Pennhurst? 00:32:44.900 --> 00:32:47.579 What is it about it? Why are you so passionate 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:51.000 about this? Because they've been vandalized. 00:32:51.539 --> 00:32:55.000 Because I think it's time to tell their story. 00:32:55.420 --> 00:33:01.220 I like it. I like it. I agree. I think it's time 00:33:01.220 --> 00:33:06.420 because, you know, Earth. We're not going to 00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:10.880 be here long, so I think it's time. Absolutely, 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.400 and it's been too long since their story has 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.440 been told, so I think it's the right time, too. 00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:23.319 Yeah. Definitely. And so I thought, save the 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:26.480 records, documents, newspapers, as much as possible, 00:33:26.579 --> 00:33:33.440 tell every single one. Yeah. And share it. And, 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:38.319 you know. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely, man. 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:43.539 Absolutely. And I'm really good friends with 00:33:43.539 --> 00:33:49.400 Jim Conroy. Oh, okay. So he tells me stories. 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:55.000 Oh, awesome. He tells me a lot of stuff. He actually 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.160 experienced electroshock therapy. Oh, wow. He 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:08.239 told me this. He said, i was in one time i was 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.860 in electric shock therapy one time it was in 00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:21.300 court and he said he said he said um whoever 00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:25.139 did those like um whoever did the electric shock 00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:31.269 therapy well it didn't work out too well Yeah, 00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:33.230 I was going to say. I was going to say that was 00:34:33.230 --> 00:34:35.929 a terrible therapy that they came up with that 00:34:35.929 --> 00:34:39.849 did nothing but damage to the brain. Yep. I said, 00:34:39.909 --> 00:34:46.170 oh, God. Yeah. That's terrible. That is absolutely 00:34:46.170 --> 00:34:51.090 terrible. And then I found a newspaper article 00:34:51.090 --> 00:34:55.849 about it. Well, about the electric shock therapy 00:34:55.849 --> 00:35:02.610 one time. And it said. What they were dealing 00:35:02.610 --> 00:35:08.150 to them was that you're talking about a patient 00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:14.429 was yacking, like yacking. And there was, I read 00:35:14.429 --> 00:35:18.809 it, there was guts flying out. And yeah. Oh, 00:35:18.829 --> 00:35:24.969 my goodness. Yeah. And I'm like, who does this? 00:35:25.489 --> 00:35:31.429 That's horrific. Yeah. I'm like. who does this 00:35:31.429 --> 00:35:36.070 in this place yeah that's terrible that's just 00:35:36.070 --> 00:35:41.449 wrong yeah wrong in all aspects and i'm like 00:35:41.449 --> 00:35:47.630 blown away what i saw geez and tell me what challenges 00:35:47.630 --> 00:35:51.989 do you face as a paranormal researcher what challenges 00:35:51.989 --> 00:36:01.980 um yeah um That you would say that you face. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:16.840 I'm not sure. Oh, you mean I stumped you, Chris? 00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:21.900 Oh, my God. I did it. No, because I'm used to 00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:27.599 not. I'm never scared of anything going up or 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.860 face to face with anything. Yeah. If there's 00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:33.619 a spirit that wants to talk to me, I'll talk 00:36:33.619 --> 00:36:38.679 to it. I don't care. Yeah. Because I'm not scared 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.940 to communicate with the dead. Yeah, no, definitely. 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.900 You shouldn't be. You shouldn't be at all. You 00:36:44.900 --> 00:36:49.750 know what? A lot of this field, man, is portrayed 00:36:49.750 --> 00:36:53.989 about demons and about negative shit. And I'm 00:36:53.989 --> 00:36:56.849 so tired of it because this field offers so much 00:36:56.849 --> 00:37:01.010 love. And there is barely like the amount of 00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:03.630 negativity that's in this field comes more from 00:37:03.630 --> 00:37:07.289 human beings than it does from spirits. And it's 00:37:07.289 --> 00:37:14.179 about 99 .1 to 0 .1 % of. negative shit in the 00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:17.079 real paranormal field. But when it comes to people, 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.360 it's the opposite. It's 99 .9%. There is going 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.239 to be an asshole and that's just how it is. But 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.760 when it comes to spirits, this field is so much 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.460 about love. And I'm so tired of people ripping 00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:32.039 it and turning it into a demon area. And this 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.059 is demons and this is demons. And it just drives 00:37:35.059 --> 00:37:37.480 me crazy because there's so much more about love 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.480 than that. You know what I mean? To me, I don't. 00:37:41.769 --> 00:37:45.650 believe in demons. Let's just say that. Okay. 00:37:45.889 --> 00:37:49.530 I don't believe in demons. If you have proof 00:37:49.530 --> 00:37:53.250 that there's a demon on this earth, then show 00:37:53.250 --> 00:37:58.530 me. Where's their proof? Yeah. Let me ask you 00:37:58.530 --> 00:38:01.150 this theory. Let me ask you this theory. Have 00:38:01.150 --> 00:38:06.469 you ever heard of thought forms? Or agravores, 00:38:06.489 --> 00:38:11.230 stuff like that. A thought form... Say a person, 00:38:11.289 --> 00:38:14.690 say our thoughts, right? Our thoughts will go 00:38:14.690 --> 00:38:16.570 and they'll manifest stuff. They'll manifest 00:38:16.570 --> 00:38:18.730 stuff in our reality. As we know from physics, 00:38:18.809 --> 00:38:21.269 two wavelengths meet. It's a long story. I'm 00:38:21.269 --> 00:38:23.329 not going to get on the physics, but they know 00:38:23.329 --> 00:38:25.949 that law of attraction is real. So say if somebody 00:38:25.949 --> 00:38:29.510 for 2000 years. The church put fear in their 00:38:29.510 --> 00:38:31.869 hearts, and they said there's a Satan, there's 00:38:31.869 --> 00:38:34.349 demons, they're going to get you if you turn 00:38:34.349 --> 00:38:37.630 away from this religious aspect, all this kind 00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:39.409 of stuff, and they put fear in the hearts of 00:38:39.409 --> 00:38:42.530 all these people. For 2 ,000 years, that thought 00:38:42.530 --> 00:38:44.809 form that these people are letting loose because 00:38:44.809 --> 00:38:48.150 of the energy of fear, that thought form is now 00:38:48.150 --> 00:38:51.590 creating itself and then will actually become 00:38:51.590 --> 00:38:54.820 a conscious being. that will actually be able 00:38:54.820 --> 00:38:58.039 to roam around or roam on earth and actually, 00:38:58.059 --> 00:39:02.079 you know, hurt people technically, basically 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.579 what it's made to do. Now, have you ever heard 00:39:04.579 --> 00:39:08.920 that theory before? A little bit. Somewhat. What's 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:14.059 your opinion on it? Sometimes I think just as 00:39:14.059 --> 00:39:19.559 it's all depends. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.829 just depends what you're. Where you come up against. 00:39:24.710 --> 00:39:30.809 Absolutely. I agree. Because you're. You're not. 00:39:31.510 --> 00:39:34.909 Well you're just communicating. Just talking. 00:39:35.050 --> 00:39:39.769 And being normal. But not being aggressive. Or 00:39:39.769 --> 00:39:45.389 provoking. Or anything. Just talk to it. Yeah. 00:39:45.710 --> 00:39:51.510 You're not there to. Like. You're a demon. You're 00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:58.139 not. say you're like say you scratched me it's 00:39:58.139 --> 00:40:02.599 a demon no it's not yeah you're trying to get 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.639 your attention I agree with that yeah I agree 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:12.420 with that too and I don't believe in like any 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:20.059 well mostly with um same thing with the Enfield 00:40:20.059 --> 00:40:23.320 Demon House Yeah. Hopefully I'm going to go there 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.500 soon. And it's going to be in the summer. Hopefully. 00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:32.139 I do believe there was some demonic, but because 00:40:32.139 --> 00:40:36.719 there's no explanation, those people been tortured. 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.400 Well, here's the thing, going back to the theory 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.480 of the Agragor or the thought form thing. So 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.400 many people go in there because it's called the 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.980 demon, you know, the Enfield demon house. They 00:40:46.980 --> 00:40:49.099 automatically think a demon's in there. So even 00:40:49.099 --> 00:40:51.699 if the demon wasn't in there, after a while, 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.099 that thought form was going to manifest itself 00:40:54.099 --> 00:40:56.800 and we come back once again. And then obviously. 00:40:57.610 --> 00:40:59.530 Jay and Elkie would believe that the demon is 00:40:59.530 --> 00:41:01.909 back in the house because of the antics of this 00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:05.070 new thought form would cause. So I totally understand 00:41:05.070 --> 00:41:06.449 where you're coming from, that you feel that 00:41:06.449 --> 00:41:08.389 there's this demon or whatever inside this house, 00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:10.869 because I believe that there is some kind of 00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:12.889 thought form that's negative in this house because 00:41:12.889 --> 00:41:15.030 of all the people that are, you know, put this 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:17.889 connotation over this building, you know? Yeah. 00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:21.949 But yeah, it's just, you know, I, I want to go 00:41:21.949 --> 00:41:24.690 there. It's always been on, it's been on my list. 00:41:24.769 --> 00:41:28.989 I've been on my list for years. And I want to 00:41:28.989 --> 00:41:32.289 experience... It's definitely a good location. 00:41:32.530 --> 00:41:36.150 I've been there a few times. What people... Yes, 00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:38.530 there's drama behind the scenes about them. But 00:41:38.530 --> 00:41:42.869 what people don't understand that you don't understand 00:41:42.869 --> 00:41:47.010 those people went through hell. They did. Yeah. 00:41:47.369 --> 00:41:52.210 And you're telling me there's no spirits in that 00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:55.789 house. I was one of the original investigators 00:41:55.789 --> 00:41:58.269 involved with them. I can tell you there was 00:41:58.269 --> 00:42:01.909 definitely some pretty heavy activity. Like I 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:05.010 said, you're telling me there's no spirits in 00:42:05.010 --> 00:42:08.010 that house? Are you freaking kidding me? Yeah, 00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:10.690 I laugh at people when they say that. Yeah, they 00:42:10.690 --> 00:42:14.670 went through hell in that house. Yeah. A very 00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:17.230 strong family for what they went through. Yeah. 00:42:17.610 --> 00:42:22.230 And then I want to experience what they experienced. 00:42:22.429 --> 00:42:26.050 Like, you know, it's I want to I'm trying to 00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:30.960 go like up there experience, you know, what day. 00:42:31.099 --> 00:42:32.820 Yeah. Well, we should all end up going, man, 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:34.500 because we're going to try and go this, this, 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.320 uh, I want to try and do my global ghost on event 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.539 there this, this October. So, uh, maybe we can 00:42:40.539 --> 00:42:43.320 set up a day and we all go up there, man. Yeah. 00:42:43.659 --> 00:42:47.480 I was thinking about summer. Yeah. Yeah. I got 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.599 to go up there before the October thing anyway. 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:55.940 So. Yeah. I, I'm, I talked to my dad and. And 00:42:55.940 --> 00:42:59.559 I said, I want to, I actually talked to Elke. 00:42:59.739 --> 00:43:03.619 Yeah. Elke, I told her that I want to have you 00:43:03.619 --> 00:43:08.179 guys, you, Mackenzie and Jay, because those are 00:43:08.179 --> 00:43:13.699 the main people that have more experience. Yeah. 00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:19.519 So I choose carefully who I pick. So, you know. 00:43:19.579 --> 00:43:23.940 Yeah. And I talk to and who have more experience 00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:27.190 in the house. And like you with your records 00:43:27.190 --> 00:43:30.710 research, Jay and Elkie's been like that as well. 00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:33.210 They have like so much history on the house. 00:43:33.289 --> 00:43:40.409 Yeah, I found one. Like one. Yeah, they found 00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:44.309 a whole whole clumbo. He's got like a book. Really? 00:43:44.489 --> 00:43:50.289 A record book? Yeah. Like a death's end. He's 00:43:50.289 --> 00:43:52.949 got everything. Yeah, talk to Jay. He'll show 00:43:52.949 --> 00:43:56.159 you, man. He's got everything. It's amazing what 00:43:56.159 --> 00:44:00.159 he has. I am actually surprised about the Bible. 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.059 You can't explain the Bible. Yeah, that is wild. 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:06.860 And, you know, it's funny. People will be like, 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.500 oh, that's a joke. That's a joke. That was not 00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:12.199 a joke. I mean, they wouldn't do that. Just to 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.019 gain viewers, followers or gain fame because 00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:18.880 that there's no grandmother. It was her grandmother's. 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.679 Yeah, it was her grandmother's Bible. Excuse 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.539 me. Yeah, but you can't really explain about 00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:29.099 the Bible. No, you can't. It's torn up. Yeah. 00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.159 The way it was torn up, too. It's just shredded. 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:38.099 I'm like, how's that even possible? It's all 00:44:38.099 --> 00:44:44.250 ripped in pieces. Yep. So anyone who's coming 00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:46.170 into this conversation right now, we're talking 00:44:46.170 --> 00:44:48.789 about the Enfield Demon House that's located 00:44:48.789 --> 00:44:52.349 in Enfield, Connecticut, USA. For everyone listening 00:44:52.349 --> 00:44:55.070 on Spotify and all the audio podcasting listening 00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:58.469 platforms, what they experienced was absolutely 00:44:58.469 --> 00:45:03.050 incredible when they had their infestation. But 00:45:03.050 --> 00:45:06.840 please go ahead. Real quick. Along with that, 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:10.480 they've rebranded themselves to the 1771 Enfield 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.460 House. The reason they have the name the Enfield 00:45:13.460 --> 00:45:16.039 Demon House was actually from an episode that 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.300 they were on, The Haunted on Animal Planet, and 00:45:19.300 --> 00:45:21.800 they named it the Demon House. They never named 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.340 it the Demon House. You want to know what's funny? 00:45:26.619 --> 00:45:29.420 I actually kept watching it for some reason. 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.199 I don't know why. I kept watching it over and 00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.980 over and over. I'm like, That episode? Yeah. 00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.579 I don't know why. Because something's telling 00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:42.119 me to go there. Like it's pulling me there. Yeah. 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.139 And I can feel it. I can experience their pain. 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:53.980 And the family's pain. And the spirits that are 00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:57.500 there. And especially the gangster that is hanging 00:45:57.500 --> 00:46:00.239 around in there. I want to talk to him. Because 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.280 I actually hang out with that gangster in the 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:09.260 Whitehall Mansion. so oh wow by myself nobody 00:46:09.260 --> 00:46:11.559 else downstairs in the basement just by myself 00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.179 that's awesome i just talked i just sat there 00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:23.380 and i had a chat with him and you know so i'm 00:46:23.380 --> 00:46:26.579 not really scared of anything Oh, that's great. 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.239 That's great, Chris. Chris, thank you so much, 00:46:29.260 --> 00:46:31.119 brother, for coming on, man. We truly appreciate 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.039 your time, dude. And we definitely want to have 00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.420 you on again. So I'll definitely schedule you 00:46:35.420 --> 00:46:37.659 up in the next few months. We'll get you back 00:46:37.659 --> 00:46:40.440 on and we'll share some of your evidence and 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.559 we'll go from there. But thank you for coming 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.659 on, bro. One more thing. One more thing. Yeah. 00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:50.340 When I was in the mill, when I was in, one more 00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:53.039 story, all right. When I was in the mill town. 00:46:54.349 --> 00:46:57.789 homeopathic hospital with my dad. Yeah. All right. 00:46:58.469 --> 00:47:01.010 We were trying to get out, find our way out. 00:47:02.369 --> 00:47:04.849 And then all of a sudden, and I said, I told 00:47:04.849 --> 00:47:08.190 my dad that we're trying to find our way out. 00:47:08.269 --> 00:47:12.889 And then I, and I, when we returned, turned around, 00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:16.309 I, I looked up on the ceiling. Well, it was just 00:47:16.309 --> 00:47:19.170 split minute. All of a sudden I saw something 00:47:19.170 --> 00:47:24.340 crawl up on the ceiling. No. a corner of my eye 00:47:24.340 --> 00:47:27.019 like i said i just saw some black crawl on a 00:47:27.019 --> 00:47:32.099 ceiling and it's just like i like i just saw 00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:36.440 something up there i'm like dad we got to get 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.880 out of here yeah see i don't do good with spiders 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.719 so if i see a human form acting like a spider 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:46.820 i'd be out of there in a heartbeat i like we 00:47:46.820 --> 00:47:50.800 got to get out yo amen to that brother amen to 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:55.800 that i said Dad, I just saw something up there. 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:04.739 I said, time to go. And you know what's funny? 00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:10.340 In that place, you know what else is scary? The 00:48:10.340 --> 00:48:13.599 only way out is through the main entrance. All 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:18.579 the doors are blocked off. Oh, wow. Yeah. And 00:48:18.579 --> 00:48:23.489 it's like a maze. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. And I'm 00:48:23.489 --> 00:48:27.769 like, it's scary. I know. I can imagine. Well, 00:48:27.829 --> 00:48:29.590 listen, we're going to have you back on again. 00:48:29.670 --> 00:48:31.590 We'll show some evidence. We'll get things going. 00:48:31.730 --> 00:48:34.469 But we'll talk about the episode before we start. 00:48:34.650 --> 00:48:37.230 Yep. But I look forward to having you on again, 00:48:37.349 --> 00:48:39.650 man. Thank you so much for joining us, brother. 00:48:39.929 --> 00:48:44.110 Yep. All right, man. Talk to you soon. Yep. Bye. 00:48:44.230 --> 00:48:51.650 All right. Later, brother. Yep. Later. Bye. Come 00:48:51.650 --> 00:48:53.230 on, babe. So what did you think of the show? 00:48:53.409 --> 00:48:55.289 I thought it was actually pretty cool. It was. 00:48:55.389 --> 00:48:57.769 And I love the fact that he's done so much research 00:48:57.769 --> 00:49:00.150 and held together so many records that tell so 00:49:00.150 --> 00:49:02.969 many stories. Oh, yeah, definitely. And to have 00:49:02.969 --> 00:49:05.590 it on digital copy where he can save it on hard 00:49:05.590 --> 00:49:07.949 drive and stuff like that is definitely a big 00:49:07.949 --> 00:49:10.429 ordeal, especially for places like Pennhurst 00:49:10.429 --> 00:49:13.590 and stuff. Because, you know, these places are 00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:16.210 getting torn down left and right. And we're losing 00:49:16.210 --> 00:49:19.730 our history, our locations, our places to investigate. 00:49:20.590 --> 00:49:22.650 And I hope that doesn't happen to places like 00:49:22.650 --> 00:49:26.969 Pennhurst, you know? So, but guys, thank you 00:49:26.969 --> 00:49:28.969 so much for tuning in and watching. We really, 00:49:29.030 --> 00:49:31.610 truly appreciate you. If you want to be a guest 00:49:31.610 --> 00:49:33.889 on talking with the source, all you have to do 00:49:33.889 --> 00:49:38.050 is email us at www. I'm joking. Cause that's 00:49:38.050 --> 00:49:41.130 not an email. The email is talking with the source 00:49:41.130 --> 00:49:44.110 at gmail .com. You, you saw me mess that up. 00:49:44.190 --> 00:49:47.309 I totally messed that up. But anyway, what I 00:49:47.309 --> 00:49:50.380 was going to say after that was. Talking with 00:49:50.380 --> 00:49:53.519 the Source at gmail .com. Hit us up. We'll have 00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.159 you on as a guest. It'll be a great time. You 00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:57.639 can join the Talking with the Source family. 00:49:58.019 --> 00:50:00.679 And also, we have a video coming up that we're 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.460 about to show you right now. It's for the 2025. 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:07.920 Global Ghost Hunt event. 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But if it was 00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:17.860 a deer, we'd be seeing it. Did you live here?