What's going on, everybody? This is AJ Capasso
here with Talking With The Source. I'm here with
my beautiful girlfriend, Tammy. Tammy, how are
you today? I'm doing great. How are you? Good,
good. Everything is good. We are here together,
and that's all that matters. So I'm super excited.
Got a new tattoo. She gave me a tattoo, which
is kind of hard for everyone to see. But she
does tattoos, and I'm super excited that I got
to be one of the guinea pigs out of the many
that are going to be underneath her skin. It's
going to be good, but she's an amazing artist,
so I'm super pumped to have her doing it. But
babe, today we have an awesome guest coming on.
He's one of my good friends. His name is Chris
Mack. I just want to introduce him real quick.
He is a paranormal researcher. He also helps
out over at Pennhurst Asylum, and I'll have him
talk a little bit more about it when he comes
on. But I just want to introduce him, Chris Mack.
Let me bring him forward. Chris, what's going
on, buddy? How are you? Good. So, man, tell me
a little bit about your experience as a paranormal
researcher. Tell the followers a little bit about
yourself and a little bit about what we should
know. All right. Well, I've been learning in
Pennhurst. Pennhurst was my first, well, my first.
Biggest location I have been to. To be honest
with you. And. For some reason. For some reason.
I came. For some reason. What I realized. Is
that. Panera's call to me. Which is. Which is
very weird. And. I don't know how to explain
it. so no i totally get it totally get it there's
places that call out the certain investigators
there's places that i that call out to me as
well like mine is waverly hills i've never been
there but that place calls out to me non -stop
but um and then when i got there to penthouse
um for every reason i felt like a spirit latch
onto me to start Making me find all these records.
And documents. Wow. For some reason. Because.
I was telling myself. That. I shouldn't be finding
all these. But for some reason. I found almost.
Every single. Almost newspapers. But. Mostly
newspapers. Some documents. I'm like, I shouldn't
be finding any of this or looking at this, but
I did. Tell me, were you happy that you did?
Yes, I did. I am, actually. And what is the reason?
The reason, I think, is because they wanted me
to know that they wanted me to tell their story.
I believe that. Absolutely. Because... There's
like I said, there's no explanation as to why.
As to why I found all these resources about this
place. It's weird. Now, tell me, what work do
you do with them now? And are you still obviously
together with Pennhurst? Do you still help them
out? How does it work? I still I I'm in what
I'm doing. What I do is called Pennhurst Memorial.
I help them over there to find it. And then what
they do, they probably bring it over there to
Pennhurst. So to tell, you know, see what's good
and what's not appropriate. Absolutely. Tell
me, what inspired you to become a paranormal
researcher, man? I think it's mostly Pennhurst.
Mostly. Mostly Pennhurst? Was that like your
first experience ever? Because I actually felt
really tired. When I, I was sitting down the
first time I went there, I was sitting down on
the ground doing, doing an investigation. All
of a sudden, I started feeling really tired.
Yeah, I can feel you. I felt drained. They were
draining your energy? Yeah, like drained. And
then I saw the... flashlight flickering and I'm
like, that shouldn't be going off like flickering.
Yeah, no, definitely. There was just too much
coincidence that lined up for you to say it was
something else besides anything besides spirit,
right? Yep. I feel you on that. So now I started
investigating other places like Fairfield State
Hospital. Oh, nice. And then I got in there.
I can tell you right now, I felt a spirit hold
my hand in that place. See, I got to talk to
you about that because I live near there and
I wasn't able to get in there. I got to ask you
how you got in there. We'll talk about it after
the show. But yeah, I felt a spirit hold my hand.
Wow. I'm like, my hand felt really cold. And
then all of a sudden, when I told my dad that
we were going up the stairs, we actually heard
a spirit coming up the stairs. It was right in
front of me. Wow, that had to be scary. No, it
wasn't. I thought it was cool because the spirit
was right next to me. No, that's awesome. That's
awesome. I mean, for me, I think even though
I'm a paranormal researcher and all, I'm terrified
of the dark. So, like, if I hear something run
up behind me in the dark and it's not a human
being, my first thought is it is a human being
and it freaks me out and I get nervous. So, I
mean, it would have been totally okay if you
did get nervous. But since you're cooler than
me, I guess you didn't get nervous. No, because
I'm calm. Because spirits or demons, they feed
off fear. So I'm trying to keep calm as much
as possible. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I
completely understand that. That's a good logic
behind it. But it's more of the adrenaline. Yeah,
absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I'm the same
way. Like if I get it, there's evidence. Sorry,
go ahead. What'd you say, Chris? It's more excitement.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's turned into
for me too, as well. I mean, like, I don't obviously
run the opposite way. I run towards it now, but
you know, it's funny to be like, if you're in
the pitch dark and you hear someone run up behind
you, it's a frightening thing to hear. oh yeah
you know and then i started going to ledgworth
i started going there and cops has some weird
some weird stuff in there but not much goes on
in there but other than that mostly um fairfield
sea hospital um ledgworth penthouse Mostly all
the hospitals I've been to I have connection
with. That's awesome. It seems like specifically
hospitals call to you? Yeah. I'm just trying
to figure out what do they want from me? Can
I ask you a question? Yeah. At what age did you
ever have a paranormal experience when you were
younger? Yeah. You did? When I was little. Can
you talk about that? When I was little, when
I was little, I used to live in an apartment.
And my mom told me, was saying, what are you
looking at in the hallway? What are you looking
at in the hallway? Because I saw it was my grandma
walking up and down the hallway. And all of a
sudden, it went in my mom's room and it went
through the closet. And I chased after it. Wow.
And disappeared in the closet. And then after
that, she got a phone call. Basically, I got
a phone call right down the street, right down
the street. A woman died in a car accident. Oh,
wow. Yeah. And we just had another experience
downstairs right now. The dryer sheets actually
fell in the washing machine. Oh, wow. Yeah. And
that just happened? Recently. And we can't, we
can't, we, like, a few minutes ago, I think.
Like. So you're getting activity at your home,
too. Yeah, because my grandpa passed away. And
my. Sorry to hear that. My sister passed away
from a car accident. Oh, I'm sorry. And. my grandpa
died from covet so it explains i think it explains
why there's activity yeah i know definitely i
mean it's probably them checking in on you guys
yeah so i have nothing to worry about so no i'm
not affected or anything yeah good that's really
good you have guardians yeah and i'm wearing
st benedict so that's good but it's There's some
things in this house I can't explain. So when
you started working at Pennhurst, did you pick
Pennhurst because of the activity there? Mostly
calling. You felt really called there? Because
of TV. I can tell you something. When I was sitting
down downstairs, I was sitting down downstairs
watching TV with my stepdad and my mom. We're
watching paranormal shows on TV. Yeah. And all
I ever been seeing is, is kept saying Pennhurst,
Pennhurst, Pennhurst, Pennhurst, Pennhurst over
and over and over and over again. I'm like, I
think I got to go there because. Yeah. Because
there's no explanation. Why is it calling to
me? Because there's no reason. It's like, it's
either calling to me or I'm turning into a schizophrenic.
One of the two. There's no, I mean, yeah. And
then I told my, I told my stepdad, I'm, I'm not
scared. I understand the dark, but I'm not scared
to go there. Yeah. They want me there. Yeah.
Why? I don't know, but that's how it happened.
How I became mostly investigator. Well, tell
me, what are some methods and equipment do you
use during your investigation when you have paranormal
activity and stuff? What are some methods and
tools you use? I have a REM pod, K2 meter, RIP
recorder, and I understand people don't like
apps, but I use a spirit talker. Nice. I use
the spirit talker because the reason why I use
it is because I actually use it for research
to make sure if it's actually what the spirit
talker is talking about. If, if this is true
or not, you know, I type it in online to see
what it means or, you know, if it's debunked
or there's nothing there, you know, or it'd be
just coincidence, but. I believe when I was talking
to a spirit, I was in a cemetery with my stepdad.
Yeah. And all of a sudden, the spirit said, we're
going to leave. It said, we're going to leave
soon, and then we're going to leave. And it said,
come back again. Wow. Because you can't explain
that. No. No, you definitely can't. It's a direct
response. Yeah. Because I can't really explain
that. And then the Necrophonic, I got some good
stuff on that thing. I love that thing. There's
so many mixed reviews on Necrophonic. And I don't
understand it in a way because it's like the
way that Keith Weldon made it was there's phonemes
in a bank that replays over and over and over
again. And the phonemes are just at all. you
know like just regular phonemes that are mixed
together in a certain way and you just add a
little reverb to it and i tell you what the frequency
whatever's behind that box or whatever is behind
maybe the frequency of the phone or the tablet
or whatever you're using the spirits are able
to tap into it and make those words come right
out of that device. And I've heard my cousin
and my niece's name come through. And her name
is not a normal name. Her name is Acadia. And
her name came through. And her full name came
through. And her name is a long, full name. Here's
another thing. When I was with friends of mine,
we were in the mansion. That's my friends. Oh,
that's awesome. Well, hey, Seeking Ghosts with
A &L. I've been investigating them for a very
long time. That's awesome. That's awesome. We
go to abandoned places. Oh, wow. We were in,
like, a big mansion. I can't say the location
or anything like that. So I can just say mansion.
But we were in a mansion where we're using the
necrophonic. And all of a sudden, I actually
kept repeating to myself. And then all of a sudden,
a guy just said, Chris Mack. Wow. With the necrophonic.
Clear as day. Like, it got mad. That's cool.
I'm like, okay. I said, I'm not going to answer
to that. Because that means big no -no. why now
tell me what is your thoughts on it why why do
you say big no no because you never know what's
going to happen because it could be what do you
think it could be something dark it could be
which i can believe there is some dark in the
house but oh yeah definitely and but um you know
it could be anything in the house but I just
believe there's something there. Thank you, Seeking
Ghosts. We appreciate you a lot for that. And
we will definitely sub back to you. But the reason
why I'm asking you this question is because,
you know, when I get my name that comes through,
it excites me. And I actually go and communicate
more with it. The only time that I will ignore
or shut off the box is if. I have a spirit that's
saying I'm a demon or F you, F this, F Jesus
Christ, stuff like that. I just get annoyed.
I turn the box off. I give them no power. But
when it comes to someone saying my name, I've
never gotten the suspicion or the inclination
to say, oh, that should be dark. I better watch
out for that. Or just by them knowing my name,
that's a bad deal. So I had to ask you that question
of why you went that route. Yeah, because it's
just, You know, it's just for precaution. Yeah,
personal preference. I totally hear you. I specifically
asked for them to say my name. Yeah, because
you never know what's going to happen to you.
It could be, you know, like I said, it could
be anything. It could be dark. It could be something
malevolent. Yeah. Yeah. And you have to make
sure not to speak to it. If it says your name.
Yeah. No, definitely. Absolutely. You know, it's
hard to differentiate who we're even talking
to or what we're even talking to. Yeah. Your
intuition on it. If you feel like, you know,
that's not something you should respond to, then
absolutely don't respond to it. But I do sometimes,
but I don't think it was nothing's going to happen,
but, you know, just to try it and see what will
happen. nothing really happened when i did it
but just super cautious now on this topic i wanted
to ask you have you ever investigated a location
that made you feel uneasy or frightened not really
no so everything has been positive for you well
except for when i was at fairfield state hospital
because when i i was in the tunnels yeah my god
I got so bad vibes down there, it's not even
funny. My whole body felt like electricity going
up. Oh, man. Yeah. I'm like, I told my dad that
I don't like it down here. I told my dad, I don't
like it down here. There's something wrong with
these tunnels. I said, I think we should go back.
Like, there's something wrong in here. What did
he say? He said he wants to keep going. Wow.
He's the man. Excuse my language, but he's a
badass. You know? But seriously, I told him,
I told him, we got to go back because something
doesn't feel right. And I said, I'll keep walking.
So I just follow him. But, you know, once I got
out. Once I got out, I put the K2 on my shoulder
and actually went off and the spirit was following
me the whole time. Oh, wow. Yeah. On the lines
of equipment, you mentioned the equipment that
you use. Do you have a favorite piece of equipment
that you like to use in most of your investigations?
Anything that lights up. Anything that lights
up? I'm more a light -up person because you gotta
know where you're dealing with, where you're
talking to, and, you know, or anything that speaks
or lights up. I love the tripwire. Yeah, tripwire,
I haven't tried it. I don't have one yet. I don't
have one yet, but I want to, but it's expensive.
It is. And, but I use, like, more lightweight,
like, REM pod. I use REM pods. I love... I love
that thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great piece of
equipment. I use K2, flashlights, mostly, but
other than that. That's awesome, man. And I have
a thermal camera. Oh, nice. Infrared camera.
Oh, that's cool, man. When I was in Ledgworth,
it actually turned off on me. Oh, wow. I'm like,
I told my dad that I did not turn that off. I
swear. I did not turn that off. It was right
in front of me. It went black. Well, listen,
if you're ever into looking into an SLS camera
or the brand new XLS camera, our other co -hosts
that are on the show, their names are from Relatively
Paranormal, and they have Relatively Paranormal
equipment. And they actually have the cheapest
prices for SLS cameras. So if you ever need an
SLS camera, let me know and I'll talk to them
for you because they have it on Etsy and stuff.
It's really good, man. They do a really good
job, really good quality, everything. Like what
is it called? It's called Relatively Paranormal
Equipment. Oh, that sounds good. I should look
into that. Yeah, I'll send you the site after
we get off here. Yeah. For sure. That's awesome,
man. That's totally awesome. I had another question
for you, but do you have a question? I did have
a question, but I forgot what I was going to
say. All right. What challenges do you face personally
as a paranormal researcher? I do by myself, mostly.
Yeah, that's why I'm asking. What challenges
do you face? Because I know with like filming,
with stuff like that, it's not easy. Yeah, I
don't film mostly because as to paranormal drama
and other stuff that goes on out in the world,
like people, you know, you get what I'm saying.
I try to keep it private because I don't feel
like hearing people bitching and, you know, it's
my language. Excuse my French. Oh, no, you can
swear. You're good. I don't feel like hearing
people you know yeah I feel you as we know as
we know there's a lot in the field yeah that's
fake you don't know what you're doing you don't
know what you're dealing with I don't want to
hear that yeah Everybody is better than everybody
else, but yet those same people can't produce
the same content as anybody else. So I totally
understand where you're coming from, man. There's
a lot of animosity, a lot of bad stuff that goes
on in our field, unfortunately, and it's really
sad to see. But on a better note, what is the
most compelling evidence of the paranormal you
have ever encountered? Seeing a door open? Seeing
a door open. Whereabouts? Explain the situation.
Mostly in the hospital. Everything in the hospital,
I know, because I have a lot of connection to
it. Hey, that's all that matters. That's the
reason why you're probably sent there. Yeah,
because, you know, it's what brings me, you know,
where can I go? It's literally your calling.
Yeah. My go -to, basically. But I would really
want to investigate a prison one day. What is
your dream location to investigate? What? Wait,
what? Like, what would be your dream location?
I've been to a lot of locations. I don't know.
All right, so listen, if I can recommend a prison
for you, if you ever get a chance to go out there,
me and my buddy John did it alone. It was Montana
State Prison. We had the entire compound to ourselves,
man and women prison. The entire compound alone,
it was $600 plus insurance. You had to buy insurance.
And you can have two people or more, up to 10
people, join and go sunning with you. Me and
my friend John did it alone. It was one of the
best experiences I've ever had in my life. And
the amount of evidence that we caught was amazing.
So definitely check out it. I thought about,
for my dream prison, I would like to go with
the prison cross. I forgot what it's called.
What was that called? Oh, I think I know what
you're talking about. I can't think of the name.
Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue. Yeah.
That would be my... dream location, mostly, because
I heard good stuff about it. Yeah. Seeking Ghosts
with A &L says Gettysburg. Yep, Gettysburg is
a good one. I've never been to Gettysburg either.
I'd love to go. You should. Gettysburg is off
the charts, actually. I've heard stories, but
I've never been. You know what? People find actually
bullets on the ground every single day. Wow.
In that place. Bullets, like, on the ground.
Wow. Every single day. People, if you find a
bullet, you have to return it. You have to bring
it to, sadly, can't keep it. Yeah. I'm a stickler.
I'd have to keep it. I'd probably get fined,
but I'd have to keep it. But Gettysburg is worth
going. Yeah. Definitely, definitely. We definitely
need to make a trip down there, Chris. That's
for sure. Whereabouts are you located out of?
Which one? I'm here in Pennsylvania. Oh, you're
right in Pennsylvania. So when we come down,
we should just meet you over at Gettysburg. We
should all go investigate. Yeah. That would be
great. I actually went to the cemetery there.
Tried to sneak in an investigation there. Oh,
nice. How did that go? Just a little bit. But
I try. I use the Spirit Talker. Nice. Oh, yeah.
Here's the thing. You want to know something?
Yeah. For the drive, we're looking for the cash
down in. And then on the way back. I had a spirit
talker on the whole time. And once I got into
town, my spirit talker went up and said, can
you help me? Oh, wow. It was in town. That's
what Wade Kirby said. Wow, that is that is absolutely
crazy. I mean, yeah, I'm like. How how's that
even possible? The whole time I had it on. Yeah.
No, you're absolutely right. Now, do you help
spirit cross over as it is? I just leave them
be. I just talk to them. I just... Oh, okay.
I didn't know you had the ability like myself
to do such a thing. I just do it to find answers.
Yeah. Why and find documents and records on them
and protect them, you know? So, tell me, what
are some records that you have found that have
matched some of your research? There's some things.
Some. Just some. Not a lot, but I can... I think
it's... There's one other question I want to
ask, too, when you get done with this. So let
me know when you're all set. I can actually show
you some of the stuff I've been working on. Okay,
yeah. Can you share your screen? Yeah. Okay,
I'll put it up when it comes up. Let me see here.
Can you see it? Yeah, hold on. Coming up right
now. Boom. There we go. Wow. This is all Pennhurst.
Oh, my gosh. Really intensive work, man. I love
it. This is all newspapers, pictures. documents,
records, birth certificates. Wow. Now that is
some extensive research right there, my friend.
That's how you should do some research. Right.
Let me see if it will pop up with a picture.
Now, let me ask you a question. Why do you believe
it's important to remember and share the stories
of those who lived at Pennhurst? Why is it important
to give them a voice? Why is it important to
you? Because I just believe they're upset and
they want their story to be shared and they want
attention and they want people to know they're
still there and upset. And they don't know where
to go. And the question I wanted to ask you before,
this is a little touchy question, but I want
to ask you this. I know that you shared this
with me that you have autism. And how has having
autism influenced your connection to the Pennhurst
story? Has it brought you closer being on the
spectrum and knowing what these kids have went
through? Yep. Basically, that's right. I bet
you that's like a part of the reason why you
were called out too. Yep. Yep. Yeah, I agree
with that. It's crazy. They knew that you would
tell their story. Yeah, because they chose me
as the pick. Yeah, and there was a reason for
that. Yeah. That is absolutely amazing, man.
It's beautiful. Yeah. They chose me, so I did
what they wanted me to do. So I just do. And
I told my stepdad that I said to him, once I
got back from Pennhurst, I said, I got to help.
Yeah. Now tell me why. Why are you so passionate
about recovering the lost records at Pennhurst?
What is it about it? Why are you so passionate
about this? Because they've been vandalized.
Because I think it's time to tell their story.
I like it. I like it. I agree. I think it's time
because, you know, Earth. We're not going to
be here long, so I think it's time. Absolutely,
and it's been too long since their story has
been told, so I think it's the right time, too.
Yeah. Definitely. And so I thought, save the
records, documents, newspapers, as much as possible,
tell every single one. Yeah. And share it. And,
you know. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely, man.
Absolutely. And I'm really good friends with
Jim Conroy. Oh, okay. So he tells me stories.
Oh, awesome. He tells me a lot of stuff. He actually
experienced electroshock therapy. Oh, wow. He
told me this. He said, i was in one time i was
in electric shock therapy one time it was in
court and he said he said he said um whoever
did those like um whoever did the electric shock
therapy well it didn't work out too well Yeah,
I was going to say. I was going to say that was
a terrible therapy that they came up with that
did nothing but damage to the brain. Yep. I said,
oh, God. Yeah. That's terrible. That is absolutely
terrible. And then I found a newspaper article
about it. Well, about the electric shock therapy
one time. And it said. What they were dealing
to them was that you're talking about a patient
was yacking, like yacking. And there was, I read
it, there was guts flying out. And yeah. Oh,
my goodness. Yeah. And I'm like, who does this?
That's horrific. Yeah. I'm like. who does this
in this place yeah that's terrible that's just
wrong yeah wrong in all aspects and i'm like
blown away what i saw geez and tell me what challenges
do you face as a paranormal researcher what challenges
um yeah um That you would say that you face.
I'm not sure. Oh, you mean I stumped you, Chris?
Oh, my God. I did it. No, because I'm used to
not. I'm never scared of anything going up or
face to face with anything. Yeah. If there's
a spirit that wants to talk to me, I'll talk
to it. I don't care. Yeah. Because I'm not scared
to communicate with the dead. Yeah, no, definitely.
You shouldn't be. You shouldn't be at all. You
know what? A lot of this field, man, is portrayed
about demons and about negative shit. And I'm
so tired of it because this field offers so much
love. And there is barely like the amount of
negativity that's in this field comes more from
human beings than it does from spirits. And it's
about 99 .1 to 0 .1 % of. negative shit in the
real paranormal field. But when it comes to people,
it's the opposite. It's 99 .9%. There is going
to be an asshole and that's just how it is. But
when it comes to spirits, this field is so much
about love. And I'm so tired of people ripping
it and turning it into a demon area. And this
is demons and this is demons. And it just drives
me crazy because there's so much more about love
than that. You know what I mean? To me, I don't.
believe in demons. Let's just say that. Okay.
I don't believe in demons. If you have proof
that there's a demon on this earth, then show
me. Where's their proof? Yeah. Let me ask you
this theory. Let me ask you this theory. Have
you ever heard of thought forms? Or agravores,
stuff like that. A thought form... Say a person,
say our thoughts, right? Our thoughts will go
and they'll manifest stuff. They'll manifest
stuff in our reality. As we know from physics,
two wavelengths meet. It's a long story. I'm
not going to get on the physics, but they know
that law of attraction is real. So say if somebody
for 2000 years. The church put fear in their
hearts, and they said there's a Satan, there's
demons, they're going to get you if you turn
away from this religious aspect, all this kind
of stuff, and they put fear in the hearts of
all these people. For 2 ,000 years, that thought
form that these people are letting loose because
of the energy of fear, that thought form is now
creating itself and then will actually become
a conscious being. that will actually be able
to roam around or roam on earth and actually,
you know, hurt people technically, basically
what it's made to do. Now, have you ever heard
that theory before? A little bit. Somewhat. What's
your opinion on it? Sometimes I think just as
it's all depends. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It
just depends what you're. Where you come up against.
Absolutely. I agree. Because you're. You're not.
Well you're just communicating. Just talking.
And being normal. But not being aggressive. Or
provoking. Or anything. Just talk to it. Yeah.
You're not there to. Like. You're a demon. You're
not. say you're like say you scratched me it's
a demon no it's not yeah you're trying to get
your attention I agree with that yeah I agree
with that too and I don't believe in like any
well mostly with um same thing with the Enfield
Demon House Yeah. Hopefully I'm going to go there
soon. And it's going to be in the summer. Hopefully.
I do believe there was some demonic, but because
there's no explanation, those people been tortured.
Well, here's the thing, going back to the theory
of the Agragor or the thought form thing. So
many people go in there because it's called the
demon, you know, the Enfield demon house. They
automatically think a demon's in there. So even
if the demon wasn't in there, after a while,
that thought form was going to manifest itself
and we come back once again. And then obviously.
Jay and Elkie would believe that the demon is
back in the house because of the antics of this
new thought form would cause. So I totally understand
where you're coming from, that you feel that
there's this demon or whatever inside this house,
because I believe that there is some kind of
thought form that's negative in this house because
of all the people that are, you know, put this
connotation over this building, you know? Yeah.
But yeah, it's just, you know, I, I want to go
there. It's always been on, it's been on my list.
I've been on my list for years. And I want to
experience... It's definitely a good location.
I've been there a few times. What people... Yes,
there's drama behind the scenes about them. But
what people don't understand that you don't understand
those people went through hell. They did. Yeah.
And you're telling me there's no spirits in that
house. I was one of the original investigators
involved with them. I can tell you there was
definitely some pretty heavy activity. Like I
said, you're telling me there's no spirits in
that house? Are you freaking kidding me? Yeah,
I laugh at people when they say that. Yeah, they
went through hell in that house. Yeah. A very
strong family for what they went through. Yeah.
And then I want to experience what they experienced.
Like, you know, it's I want to I'm trying to
go like up there experience, you know, what day.
Yeah. Well, we should all end up going, man,
because we're going to try and go this, this,
uh, I want to try and do my global ghost on event
there this, this October. So, uh, maybe we can
set up a day and we all go up there, man. Yeah.
I was thinking about summer. Yeah. Yeah. I got
to go up there before the October thing anyway.
So. Yeah. I, I'm, I talked to my dad and. And
I said, I want to, I actually talked to Elke.
Yeah. Elke, I told her that I want to have you
guys, you, Mackenzie and Jay, because those are
the main people that have more experience. Yeah.
So I choose carefully who I pick. So, you know.
Yeah. And I talk to and who have more experience
in the house. And like you with your records
research, Jay and Elkie's been like that as well.
They have like so much history on the house.
Yeah, I found one. Like one. Yeah, they found
a whole whole clumbo. He's got like a book. Really?
A record book? Yeah. Like a death's end. He's
got everything. Yeah, talk to Jay. He'll show
you, man. He's got everything. It's amazing what
he has. I am actually surprised about the Bible.
You can't explain the Bible. Yeah, that is wild.
And, you know, it's funny. People will be like,
oh, that's a joke. That's a joke. That was not
a joke. I mean, they wouldn't do that. Just to
gain viewers, followers or gain fame because
that there's no grandmother. It was her grandmother's.
Yeah, it was her grandmother's Bible. Excuse
me. Yeah, but you can't really explain about
the Bible. No, you can't. It's torn up. Yeah.
The way it was torn up, too. It's just shredded.
I'm like, how's that even possible? It's all
ripped in pieces. Yep. So anyone who's coming
into this conversation right now, we're talking
about the Enfield Demon House that's located
in Enfield, Connecticut, USA. For everyone listening
on Spotify and all the audio podcasting listening
platforms, what they experienced was absolutely
incredible when they had their infestation. But
please go ahead. Real quick. Along with that,
they've rebranded themselves to the 1771 Enfield
House. The reason they have the name the Enfield
Demon House was actually from an episode that
they were on, The Haunted on Animal Planet, and
they named it the Demon House. They never named
it the Demon House. You want to know what's funny?
I actually kept watching it for some reason.
I don't know why. I kept watching it over and
over and over. I'm like, That episode? Yeah.
I don't know why. Because something's telling
me to go there. Like it's pulling me there. Yeah.
And I can feel it. I can experience their pain.
And the family's pain. And the spirits that are
there. And especially the gangster that is hanging
around in there. I want to talk to him. Because
I actually hang out with that gangster in the
Whitehall Mansion. so oh wow by myself nobody
else downstairs in the basement just by myself
that's awesome i just talked i just sat there
and i had a chat with him and you know so i'm
not really scared of anything Oh, that's great.
That's great, Chris. Chris, thank you so much,
brother, for coming on, man. We truly appreciate
your time, dude. And we definitely want to have
you on again. So I'll definitely schedule you
up in the next few months. We'll get you back
on and we'll share some of your evidence and
we'll go from there. But thank you for coming
on, bro. One more thing. One more thing. Yeah.
When I was in the mill, when I was in, one more
story, all right. When I was in the mill town.
homeopathic hospital with my dad. Yeah. All right.
We were trying to get out, find our way out.
And then all of a sudden, and I said, I told
my dad that we're trying to find our way out.
And then I, and I, when we returned, turned around,
I, I looked up on the ceiling. Well, it was just
split minute. All of a sudden I saw something
crawl up on the ceiling. No. a corner of my eye
like i said i just saw some black crawl on a
ceiling and it's just like i like i just saw
something up there i'm like dad we got to get
out of here yeah see i don't do good with spiders
so if i see a human form acting like a spider
i'd be out of there in a heartbeat i like we
got to get out yo amen to that brother amen to
that i said Dad, I just saw something up there.
I said, time to go. And you know what's funny?
In that place, you know what else is scary? The
only way out is through the main entrance. All
the doors are blocked off. Oh, wow. Yeah. And
it's like a maze. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. And I'm
like, it's scary. I know. I can imagine. Well,
listen, we're going to have you back on again.
We'll show some evidence. We'll get things going.
But we'll talk about the episode before we start.
Yep. But I look forward to having you on again,
man. Thank you so much for joining us, brother.
Yep. All right, man. Talk to you soon. Yep. Bye.
All right. Later, brother. Yep. Later. Bye. Come
on, babe. So what did you think of the show?
I thought it was actually pretty cool. It was.
And I love the fact that he's done so much research
and held together so many records that tell so
many stories. Oh, yeah, definitely. And to have
it on digital copy where he can save it on hard
drive and stuff like that is definitely a big
ordeal, especially for places like Pennhurst
and stuff. Because, you know, these places are
getting torn down left and right. And we're losing
our history, our locations, our places to investigate.
And I hope that doesn't happen to places like
Pennhurst, you know? So, but guys, thank you
so much for tuning in and watching. We really,
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Now, this is the area where apparently you can
hear the whistling of Art or Arthur, the man
that died of a heart attack, constructing this
part of the lift locks. It's just trees. The
biggest animal we're going to get in here is
a badger or deer, potentially. But if it was
a deer, we'd be seeing it. Did you live here?