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I am back.
This is AJ Capasso here with Talking with the Source.
It's been so many weeks but I'm with my brothers as always.
John and Keyworth in the top left from JK 47 Paranormal Investigations and Targeting
with the JK.
As well as my best friend on the right, Sir Chris.
Hey Nicole how are you?
I know a long time no see.
You're absolutely right.
We have been going through some things.
I have and I am super excited.
Michelle wow that's awesome.
You live in a haunted apartment.
That's cool.
I wish.
Thank you so much Nicole.
So today we have an amazing guest guys.
We have one of our co-hosts and everything.
Hey Jenny.
One of our old co-hosts was on here that's on with his wife.
It's Todd and Marissa of Relatively Paranormal.
Let me bring Todd up on the screen when Marissa she'll be on soon.
But here's Todd my friends.
What's going on fellas?
What is up?
Hey.
Oh Julia wants to say hi.
Say hi Julia.
Hey the Mini-Gator Investigator joins us.
I love it.
You're famous now.
We already done been famous because we were on a reality show out of England that does
like every episode is different.
It's called My Extraordinary Family.
We did it two years ago.
The Truly Network that's what it's called.
It's out of the UK.
But they aim the whole thing about Julia.
They want us to say like she was a paranormal investigator because she was on a couple of
early investigations with us.
And we live in a haunted apartment as well.
This is a haunted apartment.
And trust me you don't want to live in a haunted apartment.
You don't want to.
They suck the life out of you bro.
All day every day.
It's brutal.
Well how better to test your equipment.
That's what I was about to say.
Listen every time I turn on one of my XLS or SLS cameras to test them I get a figure
boom oh there they are.
Some weird anomaly every time.
You know I can turn on a spirit box right now and we can have them in the conversation.
I mean ridiculous.
I can't believe it.
Hey Wanky.
Well so tell me what have you guys been up to lately man.
I know you guys have been doing so much different stuff.
The equipment is kicking off which we're going to talk about in a little bit.
But talk about some of the investigations you guys have done since the last time we
talked.
Well the most recent one is we went to we went back for a third time to the SK Pierce
Victorian Mansion in Gardner Massachusetts and we captured sixty one spirit figures with
our SLS.
Sixty one legitimate not coat racks not sixty one.
The place is probably top three most haunted places we've ever been.
That's why we keep going back.
It's incredible.
It's a place the only place where I've ever captured levitations.
The first time we went there my flashlight went flying off the table.
We captured a rocket thrown at Marissa.
We didn't capture it but we heard it.
She picked it up and said here have this in the basement.
She goes have it back.
She flings it and on camera two rocks fly off the ground and shoot off in the opposite
direction and we caught it.
Only time to have the part of levitations.
Do you have a YouTube channel or.
Yeah the YouTube channel is relatively paranormal equipment.
We have.
I'm sure you've seen our product videos.
We make product videos for everything we sell that have evidence clips on them.
But then we have we do a show called wickedly haunted.
We don't get to do it enough but there's over 50 episodes in each episode.
It is one investigation and we just show the best evidence we captured on each investigation
and then Marissa and I'll talk for like two minutes about what we showed and then we show
it's probably.
I just been on it before.
It's forty five minutes of evidence clips and fifteen minutes of us talking.
Absolutely.
It's a great show.
People get to see us using the stuff that we create and sell as well which is good for
that.
Yeah.
One hundred percent.
That's definitely something very very useful for your business you know and what you guys
are doing.
Michelle says I have orbs spirits ghosts voices ghost dogs barking on video.
That's pretty cool Michelle.
You know I mean it must be terrifying for you sometimes but I mean that to me I love
it.
I'm so fascinated by it because I've been doing this for so long.
So any time I get any action I'm like yes this is the best thing ever.
I know I don't get scared.
I get excited.
Yeah.
It's weird though when you're sitting here like the other night we were sitting here
watching TV and loud as hell right on our kitchen cabinets.
The two loudest like somebody punched them.
Boom I have a security camera so I was able to actually capture it but we've heard weird
shit.
This is an old school building that we live in that was converted to like nice apartments
and we were sitting here one day.
It's like three in the morning and all of a sudden we hear a school bell ringing.
There's no more school bell here.
I've looked everywhere.
There's no school bell.
There's no way it would go off a freaking school bell.
It started ringing here one night for like 10 seconds and stop.
And the weirdest thing was it wasn't captured on camera.
I don't.
Strangest thing I've ever experienced like while sitting in my house.
I did an investigation at the Abbey and and there's no landline and we were down in the
basement.
I heard a phone go ring ring.
I was like what the hell was that?
It was crazy.
It scared the people we were with us because I was doing the tour.
I was like no stop that's awesome.
Don't be scared.
I disembodied sounds are the best though because that's just coming straight out of the ether.
Yeah.
Voices, sounds.
It's just it's coming straight out of the like and the funny thing is is it's something
that goes really punch my camp my cabinet or did they somehow create that sound?
Yeah, you know.
Some of those things with this.
It's my mind up, you know.
You know what phenomenon that always bothers me so much and I and it's so hard to understand
how they can do this is when you have two recorders right next to each other that are
recording sound and one will pick up the voice but the other one won't.
That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
But I think it's the most fascinating phenomenon ever.
I think what you have is because they're on that different frequency and they have to
like like we hear it as a whisper but they're really probably screaming into it.
They're probably right next to that device and the other one's not picking it up even
if it's a few feet away because it takes so much energy they have to focus on one thing
to do it.
Oh yeah.
And me.
I mean there's no way to know.
I'm not dead so I can't tell you for sure but that would be my guess.
I believe that 100%.
Yeah.
That's why I always laugh when somebody says no this is like 100% how it is.
Oops.
It does this and that.
It's like yo you're not dead bro.
You don't know for sure anything.
Nothing.
You're not dead bro.
Here's my theory.
Here's my theory on light anomalies or like certain orb light anomalies that you'll catch
that go into people and stuff.
I believe that that's actually the way that spirit will travel.
It is.
That's something I think.
But when you get just pictures that have like little like orb looking watermark.
I don't believe that crap.
Pictures are different but when the X let me tell you something the XLS camera the way
it works is it's bouncing infrared beams out that hit objects with mass and density.
It bounces back to the camera and allows the camera to map it.
It maps orbs that are the size of basketball softballs whatever and on that camera they're
casting a shadow.
So they have to have enough mass and density to actually appear on the camera.
They appear large so we know dust isn't basketball size right.
And it casts a shadow.
A crumb of dust is not going to cause a bounce back to the camera and allow the software
algorithm to map it.
It's just not.
Yeah.
No.
I believe that 100 percent.
So the XLS camera with the advancement of all this technology has allowed us really
to prove something pretty close to 100 percent that I think that that you're right with the
spirit that's the way they travel.
The other thing is with some of them we've screenshot it because we said that looks weird
and inside these orbs on some of them you can see like a head and shoulders on a lot
of them.
Yeah.
And this video is on the relatively credible equipment YouTube channel where you can see
some of this stuff especially in our commercials because I obviously want to show that and
you can see actual faces and heads in the freaking or so.
Oh yeah.
I mean you know.
But let's see what what's the best YouTube channel to pull up to show some of your evidence
with this so that we could do it because I wasn't able to download it because I don't
have a computer right the moment with me that you sent me.
So what webs like what a YouTube page can I have John go to so we can pull it up and
show some evidence.
You can go to relatively paranormal equipment is our YouTube channel.
So our website that the ghost hunting equipment website relatively paranormal dot com also
has the product videos and the paranormal videos but you just put up on a YouTube channel
if you're familiar with it.
It's just easier.
OK.
Yeah.
John you want to pull that up so we can share the screen and have it.
Yeah I'm working on it.
All right.
Cool.
Because yeah I want to show some of our viewers that I know we've had you on before I know
we showed like a bunch of stuff but I go to best evidence clips playlist because that's
just everything cut out just the evidence clip.
OK.
There's a really cool one on the inside Hinsdale house XLS like it's just all the best XLS
clips we captured.
We captured heads peeking out around corners.
Also it's a weird shit man.
We capture walking out into the room and the thing starts mapping another head next to
my head on the 3D mapping the color screen and you can see it and the head starts changing
form.
It's clear as day bro.
I pointed out and everything is nuts.
It's nuts.
I tell you guys have gotten some amazing evidence from an SLS clip with a 12 foot maybe 14 foot
tall free floating entity that appeared during a demonic house case we took on right behind
Marissa.
It's bent over at the ceiling.
You can see her.
She's like this big and this thing is going from floor to ceiling bent over.
It's not.
I'm not a Michelle they have a Facebook link to you can look at relatively paranormal on
Facebook and then they also have the equipment page crack which is relatively paranormal
to the panel equipment.
If you go to relatively paranormal dot com that has the ghost on the equipment shop all
our product videos it's linked to the review page from Etsy and the ghost that shop.
We also have a loyalty program on that page where you can get up to 15 percent off entire
orders free shipping.
It's your choice.
You can use your points however you want but instead of getting 20 bucks off by spending
400 bucks you spend 400 bucks you can use that to save up to 15 percent off in order.
If you want an SLS camera to 15 percent off you can save almost 100 dollars.
That's awesome.
You know what man the SLS is you know it's a little it's obviously a little price you're
because of the equipment that it's built with but the SLS camera man the prices you have
for that is absolutely amazing right now.
People are just getting into this and looking for something to and our SLS camera is the
only one where we have fixed the mirror image the inverted image.
Yeah.
When you look through our SLS camera you're looking at it like through a regular cell
phone or through a regular camera but it's not like on a regular SLS the image is backwards.
So if you go to turn to look at a ghost and it's over to the left side you turn left it's
the wrong way.
You lose the ghost.
With ours you can turn left to see the ghost on the left hand side.
We also have a built in screen recorder that I put in there that now does audio as well.
So if you're looking to link up your videos and link the audio it's there now.
There you go right there from the man who makes it himself.
I spent two hours programming and setting up the tablets and I know from messages and
reviews that what people are getting is a guy gets the original software he throws it
on any tablet ships it out and what you get is something that malfunctions and crashes
and doesn't work right.
Yeah.
And you call it.
I've been on templates and videos and everything.
It's a 20 minute tutorial that takes you through everything.
It's right on the tablet so it's always with you.
We spent years like anytime somebody has a question if it's not in the tutorial I add
the answer to the tutorial for the next guy that's got the question.
So basically if you get one of these pieces of equipment and you don't know how to work
it you're just a moron.
No I'm just joking.
The reviews you'll see a lot of people like just watch the tutorial it's easy you know.
The only time there's ever a problem is somebody doesn't watch the tutorial and I can usually
tell almost right away.
I'm like that's in the tutorials right in the beginning.
You know when did you make your best of your best of clip.
Look under the playlist there's a playlist that says best evidence clips and they're
all listed right there and it's just it's just whatever that evidence clip is it could
be a minute it could be five minutes and you'll see all the different ones.
All right I got it hold on here.
And that way you know but what we do with our with our ads every time we do an ad for
a product we describe the product we give you the information about it usually about
a minute of that and then we show evidence clips of what the thing can do.
Which I know so smart as a business aspect for you guys because most places like like
what you'd see on my ghost top or you would see on other places they don't show you really
it in action.
No and that's one can't stand you know and people love that they love it they love it
you know and they can watch as much of it as they want.
I mean sometimes the 10 minute ad because it's got so much evidence in it but I want
to show all the different aspects of what the device can do what you're getting you
know.
Definitely definitely and I think it's so smart.
Hey my brother Eli family thank you so much for coming in bro.
I got to actually talk to you on the phone.
I'm so happy you're here.
Thank you for coming in.
That was one of our guests that came on who had a near death experience a very very fascinating
wall.
Yeah long one.
It was an amazing to hear especially from someone like myself who had a near death experience
and I know you were very you know intrigued by some stuff of what happened with me that
you had questions about Todd.
So I was glad that we were able to link up and talk a little bit about it.
It helps me out because before the paranormal I was never afraid to die.
But like with so many of these spirits being trapped here now I'm afraid of it.
And like speaking to you helps me get through it because I'm a good person and I would hope
that I would go to a better place where my soul can heal and whether we want to call
it heaven whatever you want to call it.
I don't want to be stuck here being tortured by whatever these other things are.
And there are other things here.
Yeah.
On demons calm whatever the hell you want interdimensional beings.
There are other things here that are messing with these spirits and I don't want to be
that guy.
Exactly.
Thank you Michelle.
We have over 20 items now that we build or sell.
If it's in the shop it's something that we personally use on our own investigations and
have probably for years.
You know the huge difference between what we do and what other people do is we build
things from an aspect of capturing amazing evidence period.
Not not what what what I would want to personally get something that's going to be long lasting.
I find the highest quality parts.
I'm not trying to take every last freaking dollar out of your pocket.
I'm trying to give you an amazing experience something that you can further your paranormal
investigations or experience a different aspect of it that you haven't been able to experience.
The ability to see ghosts.
That's what we all want.
Right.
So you know two of these devices allow you to do that.
The ability to better communicate with spirits.
That's what we all want.
So that's how we build everything and we constantly try to make our devices better.
I can find a better part or I can.
I have a bachelor's degree in computer programming.
If I can find a better way to make the SLS or the XLS I do it when I have time you know
you know it's not the easiest because if you contact us you're talking to one of two people
me or my wife that's another great part of it.
We have everything invested in this.
You know you're not talking to some some minimal wage person.
Debby the time life operator you're talking to us.
Exactly.
You're talking to the people who are actually sitting there making them taking the time
other day.
I mean that's so I bet our average response time is less than a minute.
There's less than a minute.
It's on both of our phones.
You know if you have a question before or after the purchase I have a tech support page.
We do video chat tech support.
If you have a question about you watch the tutorial you still have a question and I can't
answer it with a text.
I'll go on the video chat and show you.
You know that is awesome.
So I want to know the difference between SLS and XLS.
Okay.
So they both use infrared technology to capture moving images of spirits.
Okay.
So SLS okay up front and transparent can produce false positives if you if you map a coat rack
a tall lamp a Christmas tree.
But we should also show you during the tutorial what that is and how to recognize it.
Okay.
What it does is it's going to cast out like thousands of tiny infrared beams that hit
solid objects and then the software algorithm uses the length of those beams to map the
object.
So if you see like an infrared video of an SLS session you'll see the dots all over the
screen.
Yeah.
That's what it's using the map.
So those dots are hitting everything solid in the room and then the software algorithm
is using that to create a map of everything.
If something else enters that area it's going to pop up.
It's going to show it exactly how it is.
I've seen figures that popped up on the floor that looked like a crumpled up mess and if
you think of a horror movie where the spirit gets up off the floor and its bones are cracking
and it stands up.
I've seen that.
I've seen that before.
It's weird.
So I think what you're seeing and it's kind of goofy because you're looking at it in stick
figure form but if you really think about it it would probably be pretty horrifying
if we saw it with our own eyes.
But that's what you're seeing.
Yeah.
So I've got your best of clips.
It says insane XLS cam evidence captures at the Hinsdale house.
That's the best XLS one.
Yeah.
Let me just finish answering this question real quick.
Okay.
XLS is a step up and what it's using is close to like LIDAR type technology where it's not
using laser beams though it's still using infrared beams.
It's casting beams out like in milliseconds like did it did it.
It's hitting solid objects coming back to the camera and that's how it's creating the
map.
There's no false positives.
There is zero.
There's no false positives because whatever is there has to have full mass and density
and because it's doing it with this more advanced technology it needs a tablet that's like twice
as powerful.
Everything has to be done like perfectly.
You can't just like brick an XLS camera.
It's not going to work.
I literally spend hours on these tablets like streamlining everything to make it so that
it works perfectly.
But it's just it in the main difference is the XLS can capture other things that you'll
see in this video that are not stick figures it goes way beyond stick figures.
It captures apparitions like I said before orbs that are casting shadows.
We've seen these weird mist things that change color and shape across the screen and it has
sticks.
I've discovered six different 3D mapping screens that I show you how to use in the tutorial
and it's a night vision screen a 3D night vision screen 3D color 3D black and white
a trip.
I forget the name of it now.
There's a screen that makes everything look like full 3D almost like everything's made
a foam rubber.
It's really weird.
Oh wow.
But and each one is capable of capturing a piece of evidence in a different way.
Sometimes one captures the evidence the other five don't.
Example of them capturing things in different ways as I captured an orb with the night vision
it was a solid like smoky orb on the color 3D.
It looked black on that rub foam rubber.
What the hell is the name of that?
I'll think about it on that other screen.
It was that it was a boy's head that popped up behind my couch and then shot off and turned
into an orb at the top of the screen.
But it was just an orb on the other screens.
But you could see at a crew cut in eyes you could see his hands on the couch.
He was hiding behind the couch right where I'm sitting and I didn't see that.
I saw it on one screen the other screens.
He was just an orb.
So you can tell six screens at once essentially you can scan through it.
It records six different viewpoints at once.
And then at the end you can isolate them and screen record what you want.
So if you want two out of the six you want all six you want one.
You just do a screen recording of it and then you have that you know to put into your video
editor and do whatever you want with it.
Review whatever.
I love it.
And you can switch live between them without affecting any of the recordings.
Nice.
It's badass.
So if you want to watch that video.
Throw it out.
Wait because you'll see in this video you're going to see every type of different type
of anomaly this thing can catch.
Including sticker.
I think I might know it now for 425 I looked.
You have a Labor Day sales event right now.
Oh wow.
See that.
That's a head bro.
Peeking around the corner.
Full body apparition.
If you look at the orbs though you can see heads in some of them.
It's really weird isn't it.
That is so cool.
That's something crawling across the ceiling.
Oh okay.
Want to go down.
One side.
Is that it?
Yeah.
That was cool.
this is like this is like
that's a little boy peeking out
from behind the counter. Yeah,
I thought I was going to say
The hell is that thing?
In this final clip, things are about to get real strange.
As I enter the room, you can see I'm being mapped by the camera in an outline form with
no stick figure.
If you look at my head, I'm clearly looking down at the coffee table right now as you
can see my eyes.
In a second, being marked by the arrow, you can see another head of something other than
myself is being mapped out.
It is clearly well to the side and above my head.
It also changes shape and form almost as if it is shape shifting between different entities.
Right there it almost looks like some sort of crazy animal.
As I begin to move away from this area, as a second, you're going to see that the entity's
head stays there while I walk away.
I'm finally going to show you in another clip what this whole scenario would normally look
like had the entity on the head.
As you can see right here, there was no other head on top of my head.
There's nothing else that could cause that that could explain in a natural way what was
captured by the amazing XLS camera.
You can clip it now.
That's what that thing is capable of.
That's crazy.
You want to know something freaky is I was watching the show with Ryan and Shane, the
skeptic there.
Yeah, yeah.
They went to Hinsdale and they told the story about a little boy who shows up in the kitchen
peeking around the refrigerator.
That's crazy.
I was freaked out because they showed a picture.
Somebody drew a picture of him peeking out in the same way.
That is awesome.
Crazy.
We captured that probably.
It was one night, but we probably had to hang on for two hours, maybe tops.
That's the one you made that people can buy on the website, right?
That's the XLS camera, yeah.
Those are my two favorite screens.
There's the night vision and the color 3D.
At that time, I hadn't found out about the textured screen, that's what it's called.
Your kiddies in the background.
Yeah, that's our new kid.
That's awesome.
That's the crazy hat.
What does the Real Deal General have up their sleeve for this winter is coming up here,
everything.
What do you guys think Lincoln's score for?
We've been talking to... Am I supposed to be echoing?
Yeah, it is.
Why is it echoing?
Now it's not.
It's not echoing anymore?
Nope.
Okay.
We had gone to the Enfield house there, I don't know what he calls it now, a few months
ago and we captured some weird stuff there.
We had a good experience and we became friends with Jay and Elka and we're going to go back
there and do a live investigation with them, a live wickedly haunted investigation with
the family, like present this time, maybe both because it's split into two houses.
I think we're going to do both sides, maybe two teams so that there's not a lot of noise
pollution and we're going to investigate the whole house and we're going to bust out all
the equipment and do it live, a live wickedly haunted episode there.
Above that, that's all I have planned for investigations.
I did just release a new product today, a new portal called the In-Between Box.
It's amazing.
It's five times more powerful than the mini portal.
It gives you more reverb adjustments, the battery will last probably two, three investigations.
We spent the last year developing this thing, tweaking it during spirit communication sessions
both at famous places in our own house because it has the reverbs we use in all three of
our portals are digital reverbs that you can computerize the settings.
There's like 30 different settings.
I had to learn what all these settings were.
I'm not a guitar player.
I'm not a musician.
I had to read what each setting does and I would tweak them a little bit and then we
would use them to communicate and see if the spirits liked it, didn't like it, how their
voices sounded.
It took me a year to come up with the settings for this device and it's amazing.
If you want a little bit more higher quality sound than the mini portal, but you can get
it up in that range of the real portal, which is just an amazing device, this definitely
fits the bill and it's only like a hundred bucks more.
It's an absolutely amazing device.
That's awesome.
Amazing device.
Once you went that route and you guys are going, you know, building different things.
We do our best that, you know, we're having a Labor Day sale.
We try to help people out.
We don't, like I said, we're not trying to rake every last dollar out of everybody.
Every way you look, there's like a new, how many ramp pods do we need folks?
I mean, honestly, there's a new ramp pod.
They're all doorbell alarms that you can buy on Amazon for 10 bucks.
It's a 3d printed box.
They stick the doorbell alarm in it.
They call it some name.
You know, there's only one real ramp on it.
It's made by, uh, what's his name?
Gary Galka on Pro measure.
The rest are doorbell alarms, but they are, are the junior Theramins, whatever.
So I'm not trying to knock other people's shit.
I'm just saying like, I don't build stuff like that because I want to focus on this high
tech, high quality stuff that we can put our heart and soul into.
We know people are going to capture mind blowing stuff.
All the other devices aren't great, but we really want to see them and we really want
to talk to them.
And we have those devices that allow us to do that.
Yeah, no, no doubt.
No doubt.
Like the fact that the XLS allows us to look into that world the way it does.
Like I think somehow it's some, some locations like Hinnifil, especially it's somehow is
seen through the veil.
Like that stuff's weird, man.
Some of that stuff is weird that I captured a little boy's head.
Like weird stuff.
If you think about it and you get into the, like a quantum physics type of mental state,
you know, light operates at a frequency as well.
You know, an infrared is very close to that radio frequency that we get, you know, spirits
voices through spirit box.
So that infrared, you know, I'm still trying to study it and figuring out that frequency
is the key thing.
It is.
Frequency is huge to this.
It's a huge part of this.
You know, even if you're getting into like ultra dimensional beings, instrumental beings,
aliens, whatever it is, it's the key to all of it.
It's a huge part of the universe.
Hey, it's a great time.
Oh, hi guys.
Welcome Marissa.
Thank you.
Sorry, I'm late as usual.
It's all good.
The makeup was very important.
We didn't want to get in the middle of that.
We knew we would all be dead before the show was over.
But yeah, no, how did you guys think of the thing at the end though?
The 3d mapping head.
Did you see it changing?
Yeah, it was right behind you.
It was like, like, yeah, it turned white and then like, yeah, it was weird, man.
It seemed to have it like almost like it's shape shift that it had like a human face
than like an angry human face than it.
But I want to look like an animal because it had like a snout at one point.
I was like, what I was looking at when I first saw it.
Like when you first zoomed into it, like I could see like a white with like two eyeballs.
Like it was a face like clearly.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And it ain't my face.
You were looking down.
Yes, I was looking at.
I mean, I was trying to grab a monster or something.
You know, I'm looking for it on the table.
We only investigate in the pitch dark.
So it's always a bit to find anything, man.
Like I'm like looking around in the dark.
I lose my flashlight like 30 times a night.
I mean, I'll tell you guys a funny story.
We investigated a graveyard one time for do you guys know who Tim Weisberg is?
Yep.
Sounds familiar.
OK, so Spooky South Coast used to be a radio show and he used to do a we're in the Bridgewater
Triangle.
He used to do a spooky triangle show and we did it in this cemetery called Palmer River
Cemetery.
It's all you know, the old, old graves that are all broken apart on the top and jagged.
Yeah.
Well, I'm walking around without a flashlight in the pitch dark and I stepped over a grave
and ripped my leg open.
I don't even how many did I get?
I was a whopping six.
But it filled up my Jordans and my sock with with blood, but because I investigated for
like another hour and a half after like the trooper that I am.
But you know, so it's just to walk around in the dark like that can be a little sketchy
sometimes.
But we've come to the conclusion spirits don't like light.
They don't know.
But did you run the Jordans?
I did ruin them.
I threw them out.
I know.
Sad.
It's a shame.
What are you going to do?
I know.
Yes, spirits tell us all the time and shut the light off, shut the light off, even when
it's just like a, you know, tiny flashlight or whatever.
So so I think that's why people are using those red lights.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I didn't even seen it on some of the TV shows.
It was on the Bigfoot show.
Well, you know, it's crazy.
It's in Bigfoot.
Yeah.
In the Skoll experiment documentary, they talk about how the spirit guides told them
that there cannot be any light or infrared light because it affects their energy.
I thought that was weird.
It's interesting.
You know, yeah, that makes total sense.
Yeah.
But you know what's weird, though, is it's like, you know, you'll see them manifest on
infrared sometimes.
But then it's like, you know, do they like really hate light that much?
Does it affect your energy that much?
I don't really know, because we've caught so much stuff in infrared or thermal or all
that kind of stuff.
So in living in a haunted home, I've seen shit during the day.
It's just probably 90 percent of it happens at night and 10 percent happens during the
day.
The first haunted place we lived in, not much would happen during the day.
And we'd be used to lay in bed and watch TV.
And the second that the last light, which was the TV, would go off, shit would start
going on inside the apartment, banging on walls.
Weird crap would happen everywhere.
And it was always like right after the last light would go off, you'd hear somebody whispering
in your ear.
The ghost at the first upon we lived in was far more active and far more powerful than
whatever's here.
Wow.
I'm more you know, they used to throw things, move things, turn things on, shut things,
do so many weird things like it turned me from a skeptic to a true believer.
Like inside probably a year, I couldn't deny it anymore.
That's the biggest thing.
That's the biggest thing I tell skeptics is, you know, if you don't believe in it, then
you have to experience it.
And once you experience that one thing, it completely opens your mind and they just they
just need to experience it for themselves.
So that's why I always I always tell them, you know, somebody that gives me, oh, they
don't I don't believe in this.
I'm like, where have you gone?
What have you tried?
Have you have you really opened your mind when you're in these places?
Correct.
Because with a closed mind, they're paranormal foolers.
They'll kill the activity because if I was dead and I was using every last crumb of my
energy to reach out and some dude was going, I don't believe in you.
Whatever.
Show me something.
I wouldn't waste my energy on that.
No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't either.
I wouldn't.
Yeah, they'll take energy from electrical equipment.
That's why we invented the power plant.
The power plant spirit energy device we invented with two two energy pumps.
And we put what's amethyst and spirit, what's crystals in the device.
So the energy pumps are blasting the crystals.
The crystals absorb the energy.
They somehow change it.
I don't know how.
And then they release it into the atmosphere.
That's why we get all that crazy activity.
Yeah.
That was Monica.
She was one of my cases.
She lives in California.
I went and helped her family.
And there was some crazy stuff that happened at her house.
Yeah.
So it's good to see you, Monica.
Welcome.
I haven't seen you in a while.
Where do you live?
I live in California.
She is.
I live in Colorado.
I was helping family my first two years when I started JK 47.
And I've been everywhere.
I've been to Oregon, California, Arizona, Michigan, Tennessee.
Right out in the old West, brother.
I'm a tinge, a tinge bit jealous because of some of the sites you have available to you.
Yeah.
That's my goal to get out to the old West and investigate some of those places, amazing
places.
I want to go to the Wash U club and down in the Arizona.
I want to go down there.
That's the Goldfield Hotel looks pretty intense.
Yeah.
Pick me up on the way.
Yeah, seriously.
We'll pick you up on it.
We'll pick both of you up on the way and we'll head out.
Yeah, I don't know.
There you go.
I'm about three hours south of them.
So no kidding.
Yeah.
I mean, it seems it's funny because in Massachusetts, when the oldest part of the country and it
seems like we have like some of the least amount of locations, uh, Ohio, Iowa, that
little area there is full of locations.
All of them.
Yeah.
I've mapped them before.
They're all right within like an hour or two of each other.
Amazing.
But I was going to say, I want to my one of my dream
investigations is to go to a Deadwood in South Dakota.
There's a hotel there.
I can't remember the Breenwood or Brentwood or something.
They let you investigate it.
Deadwood was nuts.
Yeah.
I would love to do that.
You know, the, uh, what the hell's that other place in Tombstone?
They said every even ghost hunters got crazy and evidence there.
They saw some woman ghost run by.
No, the bar there in Tombstone, the one where all like the cowboys used to go and shoot
the place up.
I think the brothel up top and the stage down below.
And then the gambling was the lady bird or yeah.
Yeah.
The bird bird cage theater.
Yeah.
That's one of my that.
And, um, I would love to get into, uh, like my brain damage is killing me today.
I'm the place that it's a miraculous place.
Oh, wait, the big bat wing that everybody goes to the huge one that felt like five floors.
Yeah.
Oh, uh, is it Waverly?
Waverly.
But the thing is, Marissa and I, for the most part, we, we, we only investigate alone.
Every once in a while, one person will come with it.
We'll investigate with us because I don't want evidence contamination.
And I want this to be able to come up to us and feel comfortable.
I won't do a group.
I will not do it.
So for us, some of these places, unfortunately think that we're all in 10 and 12 person groups.
Oh, a thousand dollars.
They'll split it 10 ways.
No, no, it's us.
And we're a family.
So it's not like me and my buddy where he's got a job and I got a job and we're splitting
it now, whatever we investigate is family money.
So you know, it's, it's pricey to spend four or 500 bucks.
That's why we love Hinsdale 300 bucks for the whole night, the whole night, seven at
night till 10 o'clock the next morning.
How can you beat that?
Well, there are great places, but as far as I'm concerned, I think that there are spirits
everywhere.
I think that they're everywhere.
I don't get, I don't think it matters where you go.
I know.
Well, but to me, I want to go to a secure location where the door's locked.
You know, nobody else is there.
Nobody's jumping out of the woods.
Like I love outdoor locations too, but you know, you get, you don't know what you're
gonna run into.
Yeah, you could do it for sure.
Heck me and AJ, we, we investigated the old Montana state prison, just us too.
Uh, it was, it was like 600 bucks for up to 10 people, but you had it the whole night.
So it was, it was awesome.
We got crazy.
So we would do that and just do like one or two, three investigations that year and just
make it a bucket list.
Man.
Like, like we want to go to, um, the hospital on old college hill in West Virginia because
you get the place, the whole place to sell 500 bucks the whole night.
And it's, we've never done a real deal birth to death hospital.
And I want to experience what the duality is like in a place like that.
I was like, you know, birth to death.
Think about it.
Like 500 to 600, that's straight.
But anything above that is just, yeah.
The conjuring house, there was a nice couple that owned it.
It was $125 a person.
It was Janet Corey, this other lady bought it.
And now she wants like a thousand.
If you want to put it on YouTube channel, it's like 2000 jiggers.
Like,
I don't even want to go there.
It was before the drama.
I'm just saying like to jack the place up like that.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I agree.
That lady's crazy.
I've watched all the drama that's been happening.
That lady is crazy.
And let me put it to you like this of all the famous locations we've done.
And we've done a lot.
Least haunted place I've ever been.
My apartment is more haunted than the conjuring house.
We've told so many people don't go there.
Don't go there.
It's old.
There is a ghost there.
There's a lady, there's a female up on the second floor in the middle room.
It is not what you think it is, though.
If you're going there expecting the movie, you ain't getting it.
I mean, it's too bad, though, because it's a half hour away from us.
We have Lucy Borden's that's like five minutes down the road from us.
So we have these great places that we can go to, but it's just no, they want like, please
money to a company.
But I like going to a place where there's the possibility of hundreds of spirits.
We've done a couple of jails ourselves, old school like prisons that were built in the
1800s.
I think both closed in the 1960s, the Burlington County jail and the Franklin County jail.
And they were both pretty crazy.
Yeah.
That's what I love about being out here in the old west in Colorado.
There's ghost towns.
Like there's just towns that nobody knows about.
I want to go find one.
I was a documentary on Amazon Prime and he tells you all of them tells you the whole
history of each one.
It's on Amazon Prime.
It's on the documentaries.
It's called like ghost towns.
He'll show you everything from Colorado, probably in your backyard all the way out to California.
And he lists like 20 of them tells you all the ghosts there.
It's pretty crazy.
It's not like it's not like a panel.
It's more like a history type documentary.
But I got sucked in.
You know, even though it was poor quality, I'm like, well, look at that shit.
It was so crazy to see them.
There's some that are still like intact, like like a lot of buildings intact.
Yeah.
I'm bringing my metal detector to I'm going to find some coins or something.
Gold.
You better bring a gun too.
If you've got a gun, you're going to find out there.
We haven't done an outdoor investigation in a while, but I used to go out there.
We both have cans of pepper spray on us.
I'd have like five knives in every pocket.
I had a huge flashlight that's like a baseball bat that would be in my bag.
Like, you know, anybody came out of the woods and was like, what are you guys doing?
They get spaced and hit him with a flashlight.
I don't believe you.
Graveyard pops up from behind a grave.
What's up, guys?
I don't blame you.
You know, I ain't afraid of ghosts, but the living.
A little paintball darts.
Now they have them with pepper spray.
So you can get seriously.
I'm empty in the can, bro.
The whole cans going.
Eat it.
Every graveyard, every graveyard you can go to is going to be haunted.
They're all haunted.
Every graveyard.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
We have right down the street here from my place is literally from the seventeen sixteen
hundreds on the puritans came down here from Salem and the witch trials happened.
And there the activity you can get in some of them are just amazing.
Yeah, you've gotten a lot of good responses with the spirit.
I got that graveyard.
Yeah, yeah.
Spirit that one of the most haunted places we've ever been to is burial Hill Cemetery
in Plymouth.
It's where the pilgrims are buried now, where their graves are moved to.
There's a mass grave there from a shipwreck that's got like 80 sailors buried in a hole
together.
All the graves go back to the pilgrims.
And before the it was a graveyard, the pilgrims, it was the highest point in Plymouth.
So they had their fort up on top of there where they could defend their their first
colony.
And then they built like a courthouse there.
And the original hang tree is still there where they would hang.
I think 13 people got hang hung in it, hanged in it for various things.
And we always get weird stuff all by the hanging tree.
Always, always, always.
It's an amazing place.
It was a really cool place was the Alamo down in San Antonio.
Yeah, that would be a dope spot.
If you could get in there to investigate, I heard I heard you can get some crazy stuff
down in at the Alamo because of the drama and everything that happened there.
You know, like like with Davy Crockett, just that whole interaction, you know, with the
war that happened.
So the Spanish-American War.
Yeah, there's so many dope places if we could only get into them.
There's an old state hospital right near our house sitting there rotting.
And we've begged to like we'll sign waivers, like let us in there, like we'll hold nobody
responsible and people sneak in there all the time.
But I'm not trying to get arrested at 50 years old.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, I want to go in.
Don't get me wrong.
And we mull it over all the time.
But it's just like the thought of getting like up and stopped over a panel investigation
because I went into an old building.
The second I see my leg through a window, the cops would pull up.
I wouldn't even have to get all the way in.
Well, it's right on a main road.
So to go into the main building, they're going to see your lights through the window, even
even full spectrum lights.
You can see the infrared or the ultraviolet.
There's buildings in the back we could probably get into and not get caught.
You know, a lot of the pictures went on there.
What was it?
Nobody ever goes in there at night, though.
Yeah, yeah.
They go down the day when you don't need lights so you don't get caught.
But if the police came and I was in there, I just walk home and be like, hey, listen,
I was ghost hunting.
It was like, listen, please don't arrest me.
I tell you what, I think there would be more interested in what you caught than most cops
in Connecticut when they hear like your ghost hunting.
They're like, no way, dude, really?
And they're like, would you catch anything?
And like, they're pretty cool.
But if you get like if you're on a place where it's like it's really private, like say like
CVH, for example, like Connecticut Valley Hospital, they have like old there's been
a lot of like bad stuff that's happened at this place.
Even my friend's brother, they threw him in his room, locked the door while he was choking
on a piece of food.
He suffocated and died and this place has had so many lawsuits and everything.
And there's closed buildings down from the psychiatric wars that were really bad.
And if you were to go to like a place like that, the cops would not give you any leeway.
They wouldn't give a damn.
That's the only bad part.
What they we've always been if it was outdoors, we if it's a graveyard, there's a place called
Anwan Rock where King Philip's war ended back in the colonial days.
The Native Americans and the colonists fought the bloodiest war in American history.
And we just called the police and we say, listen, we're going to be doing a panel investigation
there.
We're going to be filming.
And they never say anything.
We just say, you know, if it's a graveyard, we ask permission.
And nobody's ever told us no before.
You know, which which which graveyard has told me no, which is so wild.
It's the one that the Warrens went to.
It's called Union Cemetery.
Yeah.
It's actively used today still for newer people who have passed away, but the older part got
vandalized so bad by people after the Warrens made it famous that they now will not let
you in past dusk.
And there's a cop that sits around there.
If you get caught, they prosecute you to the fullest of the law.
So I called up the town and I talked to the person in charge and I said, listen, you know,
I do I'm into history.
I'm in a paranormal group.
I would like to come there after sunset, if possible, just for an hour, if that's possible.
And he told me straight up, it'll never happen.
I don't care how much money you give me.
Wow.
I was about plenty of other cemeteries.
So when I was at her house the last night, we went to the old abandoned L.A. zoo.
That's where that movie Dragnet with Tom Hanks was filmed.
And that place was creepy, man.
We got we got some stuff.
It was it was pretty interesting.
And I thank her for taking me there.
I thought that was awesome.
It was really great.
I told you about that movie that Tom Hanks was in that.
The old abandoned L.A. zoo.
Yeah.
So like you walk down these stairs into the encagements and you could it just felt weird.
It was exciting.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I mean, it all comes down to no matter where we go, it's about the land.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you, Michelle.
We appreciate that.
Appreciate that.
You know, it's always about the land because you don't know what was there before.
And it's just because if they tear down that old state hospital, there's probably hundreds
of spirits in there.
The place was open forever.
Those ghosts are still going to be there.
And they're going to be in the apartment complex.
They put up on it.
That's what they want to turn it into, I think, to an apartment complex.
Yeah.
Oh, AJ, I haven't spoken to you in so long.
I'm so sorry about your friend.
I'm so sorry to hear that.
But you know, the question that I have to ask you, did he believe in paranormal?
The funny part is, is yeah.
What's weird is that the where he lived, three people died in that house in that apartment.
OK.
The first one was the landlord's wife from, I believe, cirrhosis of the liver.
I could be wrong on that, but I believe cirrhosis of the liver.
And then two other ones were suicides.
One guy shot himself in the head upstairs in his daughter's room.
And then another person hung themselves in the living room from one of the beams.
And what's so weird is he kept saying to me a couple of days before he died, he kept saying
to me, like, if I don't get out of this house, like, I'm going to die here.
And like he had this real adamant thing about it.
And then all of a sudden something happened two days before I saved his life.
And then two days later, I left his house.
It was like 1030.
And next thing you know, I told him, I'll see you at 10 o'clock in the morning.
I walk in the door at 10 o'clock in the morning.
I thought he was asleep at first and then come to realize he was he had passed away
and asleep.
Oh, my God.
That the energy in that place was very bad.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Do you think that maybe like something that was there may have had something to do?
I do really do think so, because of how he died, he would have never done the what he
did.
And it's weird.
Like he OK.
So my friend was an addict.
OK, but he was a cocaine addict.
He was older man 60 in the 60s and he never touched any kind of downers his whole life.
Well, one of the guys that he ends up getting his stuff from ended up giving him fennel
inside of it.
Well, he touched it with his finger two days before, just thinking it was regular cocaine,
just to taste it with his finger.
Yeah, yeah.
He tasted it.
He touched it with his finger and he dropped to the ground.
I found him in his kitchen.
I was able to Narcan him and bring him back.
Thank God.
But then two days later, I don't know if he I don't know if he did something.
I don't know what it could have been because he knew what not to do.
And then somebody do that.
I don't know.
Why would somebody like turn like turn it and give it to people without them knowing
you're going to drop all sorts of people?
All I could think is they don't want it in their house.
So here, take it.
You know, it's like a bad to mix it in like, well, they got it and they need to get rid
of it.
You're putting it into the cocaine.
It's sad.
They're doing it in the weed now.
They're doing it in everything.
It's sad.
That's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad stuff.
But no, thank you so much.
It's been really hard.
You know what?
It's like a father figure to me.
So it's like it just sucks not being able to wake up, go over there, take care of the
dog anymore and, you know, wake him up and whatnot or, you know, try to help him through
his depression and whatnot.
But, you know, he was a great friend of mine.
He taught me a lot of things.
Just wish I had a little more time, you know.
Yeah, it sucks.
Yeah.
You know, like, you know, I've learned that so much in life by all the people that I've
lost that we just have to kind of, you know, enjoy every day as much as we can.
Yeah, life is short.
Life is short.
You know, crazy, crazy stuff.
Guys, thank you so much for coming on today.
I truly appreciate you guys.
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Thank you for having us on.
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Like we were talking in the background with KD.
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I'm telling you, it's my favorite spirit box.
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I made the mistake of buying the SB7 Pro because it had the frequencies in it, JK, the frequencies.
I thought it might help somehow.
Maybe I haven't figured it out yet.
I haven't used it enough, so I'm not going to completely bash it, but right now it's
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That's all I can say.
I'll keep working on it.
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Oh, we're going to talk, man.
I don't.
I listen to the frequencies.
That's why I bought the damn thing.
I already had an SB7.
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Thanks.
I'll share this out everywhere, bro.
Will, thank you.
All right, my friend.
There we go.
So if you put your hands up, we'll get started.
We'll get started.
My friend, there we go, so if you put it back to normal, John, there we go.
Perfect.
So yeah, guys.
So what'd you guys think, man?
I mean, I love having Todd on.
Todd's actually, you know, Todd and Marissa actually are co-hosts, so they can come on
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But it's nice to have them on as guests and to hear what they're doing with their equipment
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I mean, dude, they just started it like a couple years ago.
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I think that's everything in life.
You know, if you go in with good intentions and positivity, you know, you're not in it
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You're in it for the experience.
You know, I think that energy is going to really help you, you know?
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And the equipment's not expensive even without the sale.
I mean, I was looking at it.
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You know?
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Yeah.
Hey, JK 47, just search that in YouTube or Facebook.
You know, I do a lot of live spirit box sessions, work on cold cases.
The one I'm working on right now is in my home county.
I've gotten a lot of stuff.
I'm going to go try to talk to the detective maybe this next week and see what he thinks.
It will be interesting because usually the police don't like to talk about that stuff.
So I'm going to give it a shot and I can tell the spirits of Ray Lynn and Fabian that I
did everything I could.
You know, I can't force people to believe.
So yeah, that's amazing.
You do amazing on that stuff, by the way.
I got to give you a props.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Awesome job.
Keep it up.
But anyway, man, Chris, you know, you have a couple other podcast stuff you do.
You want to shout those out?
I might do one on Tuesdays.
It's a movie or review show.
We just review old or movies and new ones.
That's pretty much the only one I'm doing right now.
But the other ones coming and going.
So I'm not sure where that's going to land.
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