I'm going to be with you. Of
course, AJ will not be with us
today. You know, hope he's
doing okay. Uh Sir Chris, how
are you? I'm wonderful,
wonderful, great week. How are
you? Doing good, man. Just uh
like I said before, just on the
edge of my seat waiting for
Deadpool three. I just I just
already but yeah, man. So,
guys, we got, we got a great
show for you today. Uh special
show in the paranormal world
for about 19 years. So, uh
without further ado, let me
bring uh Nick in here. Nick,
how you doing, brother? I am
doing good. How about you?
Doing great, man. So, um uh
Susan says hello. Hey, everybody.
Hi, Susan. Hey, Susan. Um so,
let's let's just start from the
beginning. So, so what was your
first paranormal experience or
you know, how did you get into
it? It's like you hear a lot of
people who talk about it's
because they had experiences
when they were kids or whatever
the case is. Yeah. That wasn't
the case for me. It was
actually curiosity that brought
me into it. Um it actually,
although I've been doing this
for 19 years, there's there's
actually kind of origins even
before that. Um growing up in
the uh 90s obviously, I used to
watch uh the X-Files which you
know at that time of course was
the first paranormal show that
was just our that was just our
typical show that we watch when
that world was on and then we
fast forward a few years later
perhaps the first paranormal
show that I really may have
came across which I didn't
believe in it but it was still
interesting because uh it was
uh the show's scariest places
on earth. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Classic one. Additionally, with
both the X-Files and scariest
places on earth, I also became a
huge kind of horror movies too.
I don't know if I've seen more
but it really didn't start until
again till I was about 12 years
old and um it was 2005 and I
just happened to be flipping
around the channels one day and
this was this was back on the
travel channel. You said
paranormal shows just on
Friday nights. Yeah. I come
across this show that's called
Most Haunted. I'm like, huh,
wonder what this is. Great. So
I started. So, I started tuning
in and before I knew it, I was
about 12 years old. I was
actually already starting to go
on investigations. Although
they were just, they were just
part-time investigations. So,
not not full-time but it was at
the age I did capture my very
first piece of evidence,
audio. Oh, really? Alright.
Wow. Nice. Yeah. What did it
say? What was your first EVP
you got? Well, I want to
actually say this for Chris.
What's funny? This was in a
location in Colorado. So,
this was, I don't remember, I
don't remember exactly which
town it was but it was either
Breckenridge or Leadville. It
was one of the two. Okay. We
went to this hotel where I
guess apparently three deaths
occurred and uh we weren't
allowed to invest. We weren't
actually staying there. We were
just visiting. We weren't allowed
to go to the rooms that were
said to be haunted but we were
allowed however to go to the
library which was like kind of
one of those conference room
libraries and that's of course
where we were staying. So, we
my dad, my brother, and myself,
we walked through it and we're
just there for a few minutes.
As usual, we don't hear
anything or experience
anything but when we get back
to the car and II review the
audio. Um it's still it's still
not fully like clear but the
first two words, I could hear
it say like I am like I am.
I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm
like I'm like I'm like I'm like
I'm like. What the hell was
that? That was actually a great
start again and only fourteen
years old to to get something
like that. I in fact, I still
have that audio to the that that
that audio to this very day.
I'd see it.
But honestly, I mean, when it
comes to the first four years,
I didn't start however until I
guess like where I am today,
didn't really start until a few
years later when I was 17
years old and I have the
opportunity to go on my first
full night investigation which
you couldn't you can't think of
a better place than to start
off a first full night at
Waverly Hill Sanatorium in
Louisville. Oh, wow. Amazing.
Amazing. Yeah. That that place
is amazing to me that night
because there was this was back
in 2010. So, at that time, I
know parts of the building
wasn't in great shape as as it
is now but it was still worth
checking out. The first thing
that actually occurred that
night was we were on the fourth
floor and this happened a few
minutes after we arrived. We
went up to the fourth floor and
we have one of the guides with
us and he says to us, you know,
it's probably best to be every
flashlights turn off and so we
have to return them off. I
start seeing this movement going
on down the hallway and and it's
not just one movement. There are
several, you know, some are
going to the right, some are
going to the left, some are
coming towards us and away from
us. Wow. And and what's even
better about this which I I've
still been trying to do for the
last several years because this
was 2010 obviously we didn't
have Facebook live at that
time. Right, right. Yeah. I did
however have an old video
recently and I I got a majority
of the investigation on tape.
I've only reviewed only about
10% of that video because this
was not this was one of those
old cameras with the old
cassette tape. Yeah. Uh but if
you hear me on the tape, you
can hear me gasp but it was not
a gasp of fright. It was like
excitement like Yes. No, that's
the way I am on investigations
and I was like, I got
terrified. Yes. It's fun. Yeah,
I love it. I love it. Yeah, my
my greatest EVP I got was was
at the Abbey. I know you've
been there before. and I had
just come from investigating
the basement and I was in the
control room where Dennis was
and my camera that was on my
head caught caught the EVP and
I was like, oh, there's a guy
that said, he is here and I was
like, okay, because it's just
me and Dennis. There's no, no,
nobody else in there. So, I
don't know where this woman
voice came from. But yeah, that
building would be crazy. I
mean, like, and especially to
experience something like that
at such a young age. I mean, to
me, it was, I mean, to me, it
was just such an unbelievable
feeling because I really,
because even, you can even hear
my reaction like not only just
the
reaction, but I can stop and
think for a sec like, am I, am
I really seeing this? And the
rest of the night though was
just was just active but also
this there even was a bonus.
Not necessarily paranormal but
not something you get very
often by about two o'clock in
the morning. This was one of
those this was a public
investigation. So, there were
other investors. Yeah. Yeah.
Pointing off, I actually had to
lie about my age to get. He had
to be at that time. I was a
little bit of a kid. Cool thing.
But the cool thing was was by
about two o'clock in the
morning, most of the other
investigators had left and
before we, before I knew it, my
dad and I, we had the entire
building all to ourselves. That
can still happen. And what
better way than yeah and what
better way than to have one of
the most famous haunted
locations in the world all to
yourself. It's very rare to
get that. Yeah, man. That's
great. It's great to see you.
Uh yeah, man. So, so now you're
seventeen. Uh I was talking
with Chris earlier and in high
school, you started your first
paranormal group. Is that
right? That's correct. That's
another thing that got me into
it is that in 2007, I decided
to start a paranormal club
because again, this was
something I really thought
would be quite fascinating.
Something that obviously you
don't see very often with, you
know, with the, with the
paranormal. Because I was so
fascinated. I wanted to see if
there were other kids that were
interested in the stuff and in
fact, there were but there were
also a lot of others that were
who wanted to know about this
kind of stuff. Now, obviously,
when I first started this club,
when when I first started, as
you can very well imagine, a
lot of kids and staff members
respectively, you know, didn't
really take it seriously,
especially. Right. Yes. At first
I thought it was kind of a joke
and a lot of people thought it
was kind of a joke at first.
Give me. After I really started
spreading more about this club,
like, you know, we're trying to
be a we are supposed to be fun
but I want to be serious here
too. That's when more people
started showing up for it. Nice.
Yeah. And did you guys go on
investigations as the club?
Unfortunately, well, at least
when I was running it,
unfortunately, we didn't, we
didn't, we didn't, we didn't
try to, at least for the, at
the very least, try to get us
on ghost tours but the sponsor
that we had at that time, she
wasn't really the best and she
seemed to have the more the
decision, decision maker than
me. So, thank god though, she's
not there anymore. So, she's
not causing trouble for that
club but you know, it was a
product of its time when I was
trying to run it but at the
very least, we watched a lot
of the the paranormal shows, we
watched a lot of the things we
did as far as an investigation
goes and I know some people have
different thoughts and opinions
on it. Of course, again, me, I
was still learning but I
actually brought in a Ouija
board to school and we we
took it out to the Ouija board
and it was and it's still funny.
I still remember this like
yesterday when I brought it and
we decided to use it. This was
one of those glow in the dark
ones too by the way. Oh, nice.
We have, I still have it too.
I remember when I was younger
than my sister when she was
like nine or ten years old. We
had, we had all these kids.
There were so many up there had
to have been about, had to have
been about thirty or forty kids
and here they are all
surrounded by the Ouija board,
all putting their fingers on
this little plank. I mean, it's
kind of hard to tell that if
it's really something paranormal
or a whole crowd doing it. I'm
not sure if it's a Ouija board.
Oh, we support.
So, so after this, after high
school, you graduate, you you
get done there. What what what
did you, you're still thinking
about it obviously, you know,
where'd you go from there? I
joined my first paranormal
group which unfortunately it's
no longer active and it's not
in a social. There is another
group that has that name but
we're not in association with
that group. We're not in
association with us. We were
around though for about almost
ten years. We started in 2011.
We went till about 2019 but
additionally, uh with that
group, I also and again, this
was another rarity. Uh
obviously, like any uh student,
I went to college of course but
fortunately, the college I went
to, they actually had paranormal
classes at Harvard Community
College. Oh, wow. So, so, how
did you get in? I can honestly
say, I trained at the Paranormal
Academy.
College taught me.
Did you sign up for those
paranormal classes? What what
were those classes like? They
they were they were quite
unique. Um obviously, I mean,
it was a combination of
different things. I mean, it
was not just, there was not
just classes, you know, just on
the ground. There were classes,
there was at least one or two
classes that um had talked
about UFOs and
extraterrestrials. There was
one I believe that uh we had
cryptids involved and there was
also a lot of history to it too.
So, these are also kind of like
history classes. In fact, there
was one time, this wasn't
necessarily a class but it was
at the same college. This was
Harvard Community College I
went to. Um we actually had and
I'm not sure if we have this.
One on one occasion, we had
John Zappas come out and be a
speaker for an event and um
even though it wasn't a class
within itself, the fact that a
lot of us from these classes
came together to go see them,
it was remarkable because again,
when do you ever have somebody
like that come out to your local
college and speak? Yeah,
exactly. Wow. That's awesome.
Did you learn about the
equipment there or in those?
Yeah, I did. Um when John
Zappas was there, of course,
not surprisingly because this
was also, as I would call the
pre-conjuring years because this
was before. Right. Right.
Conjuring was released. He
talked obviously about like,
you know, um you know, and
Lorraine Warren, some of their
investigations. He showed some
of the videos and whatnot and
there were some people who
asked some pretty good
questions. I still remember
like when he used to be a
frequent guest on the show of
the year. Yeah. So, it it
really answered. I I think he
really answered a lot of our
questions. Um at that time,
at a time when we really didn't
have as many, you know, podcasts
or events or, you know,
paracons or anything like that.
Right. Right. So, that's how
you do your timelines now. PC
and AC. Pre-conjuring, after
conjuring. That's that's kind
of what I, that's kind of
actually doing it.
Yeah. It's a natural timeline
anyway. In a way.
Alright. So, so you you've got
a college, you started your
first group and stuff. Um what
are you doing now? Like, uh
what's going on with yourself
now? So, I've been involved
lately with a lot of different
um podcasts. I haven't really
been able to go on a lot of
investigations as I was hoping
to this year although I I went
on a few earlier this year but
I've been, for the most part,
going on a lot of podcasts.
I've done some with Chris uh
which I've been, you know, very
fortunate to have got to know
he's a good friend of mine now.
Um as. Yeah. Chris, I won't
even have to even remind you
but um I'm part of a uh network
that I also help put together.
It's called the Things Network
which uh. Okay. Things stands
for the Hoosiers Investigative
New Haven Ghost Society. Now,
that's in Indiana but I'm from
the city of Chicago. The actual
network itself is also based on
a real paranormal group which
now I'm a part of. That's called
the Things Ghost Society. We
have seven chapters as right
now, like I said, being here in
Chicago, I run the Illinois
chapter. We also got chapters.
Obviously, you got the mother
chapter in Indiana but we also
got chapters in Wisconsin, in
Missouri, Colorado, and um
we're going to soon have a
three-chapter chapter. We also
got three European chapters,
one in the UK, Ireland, and
Netherlands. That's amazing,
man. That that's that's great.
All of you working together to
try to uh you know, find out
what happens to us after we
pass on. You know, that I I
think that's excellent, man.
That's uh where can they that
you have a YouTube channel or
TikTok or where can we see some
of their stuff? Uh you can find
us. I mean, obviously, if you
don't know, I have a YouTube
channel but I don't really put
much paranormal stuff. I I
actually have something else
that I do that's uh worth
bringing up and I'll bring that
up in a second but you can just
basically find me on Facebook
but as far as uh Things Network,
we're on several different
platforms. We're on Facebook,
YouTube, Twitter, Twitch,
LinkedIn. Um we just also uh we
just also recently got a uh oh
uh sorry, I almost lost my
train of thought. We're also on
Facebook and Twitter and
Rumble. Nice, nice. Wow. Nice.
That's awesome, man. Um yeah.
So, uh you're going to say uh I
I I think I know where you're
going. You started hunting uh
cryptids? Yeah, I've also not
very, I mean, not very frequently
but I but when I've been given
the chance, I've actually went
to, I've actually gone to uh
the uh the uh the uh uh uh um
cool. I've I've among the
cryptids I've been in II've I've
I've investigated is um my very
first one was probably the
point pleasant West Virginia
and um yeah, Mothman uh which
is also one of my favorite
cryptids. Um we've I've also
investigated the uh beast of
Bray Road in Elkhorn, Wisconsin
which I'm actually going to be
talking about with the guy whose
name is Joe uh we're actually
planting a Bray Road beast on
real soon which funny enough,
although I'm in the Chicago
area, uh Elkhorn where Bray
Road is located is just an hour
north of me. So, I'm not even
that far from it. Oh, wow. Yeah,
that's cool, man. I I've done
a thing. Joe. Sorry, what,
Chris? Insane Joe? Yeah, that's
right. He uh I actually have
this broadcasting on uh my
personal page. I mean, comments
and comments don't show up from
my personal page but Joe was.
Yeah, that's the stream yard.
They they don't allow the
comments from personal pages for
some reason. I don't know. Well,
first off, I just want to say
hello to everyone that's tuned
in from my side. So, uh but
yeah, he was. Yeah. Hello.
Hello. There's my wife. My wife
just tuned in. Hi, Des. Hi,
Des. We gotta behave now. Like
I said, this is the the most
recent or newest edition that
I've gone on so far. This is
one you guys probably may never
heard of. I mean, maybe a half
as I would probably say it's a
funny name but the story on
these creatures are creepy as
hell. The melon heads. I've
heard of them. Yeah. Melon
heads like like a watermelon
head, little body or something.
They're they're described as
like a large bulbous heads that
occasionally emerge when they're
hiding places to attack people.
What? I never heard of those.
What? What do you mean by those
at? So, I'll I'll give a quick
story about that. So, cuz they
in spite of the considered part
of the cryptic category, they
were originally said to be
either kids who were either
deformed or suffered
from the disease and there are
so many different versions of
the melon heads that you know,
there's just too many of them
but two of them start to
however stand out the most and
this starts in Ohio. Uh both of
them star on the scariest
doctor by the name of Doctor
Crow. The first version goes is
that he was he was either
working for the government and
was either experiment was
experimenting with with
experimenting with radiation,
radiation, radiation, radiation
or during the late eighteen,
early nineteen hundreds or even
some cases working during either
World War one or two or during
the depression era and again,
was exposed to a lot of
radiation and his family, you
know, his children were all
born mutated. His wife became
very ill. The government did a
cover up, gave him this nice
piece of land out in Chardon
and you know, say, hey, you
know, please, please keep quiet
and a little bit more sinister
but it's also the most notorious
version of it though. Doctor
Crow again but this time he was
running an orphanage or a
hospital and unfortunately he
was experimenting on children.
Yeah, I mean like what's
hydrocephalus? I mean, these
were vicious experiments,
atrocities and unlike unlike
today, like, you know, we're
kids are sent to orphanages or
anything like that where every
day they're in the right
conditions. Back then, they
didn't do that. So, nobody knew
what was going on those days.
So, these are again, vicious
experiments, atrocities. Some
of these kids died but the ones
who survived, he ended up
creating a a bunch or a tribe
if you will of these kids that
became like mutated or feral,
you know, like razor sharp teeth
and stuff but eventually,
eventually, the story goes that
these creatures, these these
creatures are sent to live on
the doctor and supposedly, they
we don't know for sure but not
sure if they did attack the
doctor but not sure if he
actually survived or not but
what we do know is that
supposedly, after they they
killed them, they set the
entire orphanage on fire and
flood off. So, sorry guys. As
a result, as a result of this,
these creatures now are said to
live in these woods and you're
thinking, well, how could they
survive? How could they survive?
Yeah. It said, these creatures
are now said to be even more
deformed because they've either
most of the breeding now it's
because of the results of
cannibalism and inbreeding. So,
they're like your backwoods,
woods, mutants almost. So, as
a result, and they're not just
in Ohio. They're not just seen
in Ohio. I mean, as some of
these individuals decided to
live in Ohio, they're away from
there and as a result, not only
we still be getting signs of
these creatures in Ohio to this
day but we also began getting
signs of these creatures from
the 1940s on in Michigan,
Florida, Maine, North Carolina
and Connecticut especially.
That's crazy, man and and the
way the population's growing,
you know, we're kind of
limiting their area. We're
growing more and more into
the area. I want to see some
footage. I don't know. Is there
is there any footage out there
of of you see that you know of
that can show us a melon head?
Unfortunately, no, we did try
going out to the road that that
they lived on which was it was
it's off. It's in Kirtland,
Ohio off Wisner Road which is
like a suburb of Cleveland. We
tried going down the road but
turns out part of the the the
bridge was just a bridge that
people lost their estimating.
It turned out. Anyways. Well,
it turned out there was a bridge
that once existed that was
easily accessible. It turned
out the bridge got washed out
in a flood. So, it was very
dangerous to go out to that
area. So, we couldn't, this was
as close as what we got but I,
we were watching though just to
see if there were any melon
heads but we didn't see anything
but from what I've heard about
that sounds like the beginning
of the movie. Yeah. Well, I
even believe that a movie like
the Hills Have Eyes may have
even gotten the basis from that
because even though there's no
footage or video, at least as
far as we know, the classic
melon head sighting is said to
be smallish about three to four
feet tall, pale, large headed,
hairless, individual, it makes
said to make animalistic type
sounds in order to communicate
with each other. They have they
have sharp teeth, sharp teeth,
sharp teeth, bite had two legs,
dirty clothing, clothing,
usually stained with blood or
other substances. They're said
to be extremely territorial
and cannibalistic and they
usually only come out at night
but you know, a better way to
describe them is that I think
they probably would look a lot
like what we would think
aliens look like. True. Yeah,
very true. Interesting. Or
they're said to be a lot more
zealous too and it said it said
to they like to watch cars go
by, you know, they saw them
first, watching them first,
chasing or approaching a melon
head will usually cause them to
run in both cases. I don't know
if they're like crawlers. That's
a good question. It's it could
be but it usually caused them to
run in both cases when they when
they're approached but many
people have been chased out
of the woods by a car or a
plane. They've never actually
seen a melon head chasing them.
What gets them to drive out to
the area, get out of the car,
explore the woods is what they
believe to be a melon head.
Well, we'll get chasing them out
of the woods back into the car
is anyone's guess. Yeah, right?
It's not the ghosts.
Oh, quit, quit. And then take
off. Yeah. You know, like the
the the the the going on a
you know, searching for the
Melonheads or Bigfoot. What's
your go-to equipment that you
would bring? Cuz I know I'd
bring a shotgun with some
slugs in there. Right? Well,
you know, I'm not gonna lie. I
mean, the I probably would wanna
bring something like that like
because again, you know, when
we we were gonna go at night,
originally to the Melonhead
territory and I have to be
honest with you. I mean, unlike
Bigfoot, I'm not gonna be kind
of nervous about because these
creatures are not like the
other cryptids out there. You
know, again, they're said to be
cannibalistic and stuff and I
even, I even told my friend who
I was with. I was like, okay,
if we're gonna go out to these
woods, we really need to stay
on the path cuz those woods,
they are probably booby trapped
or something like that. Right?
We didn't, it didn't matter. We
didn't get to go but um I think
the I think the most scariest
thing about Bigfoot and the
Mothman and stuff is that it
wouldn't now that you heard the
story, you can clearly tell
even even if you had some kind
of encounter with them, you
could tell that they weren't
really monsters to begin with.
You know, if if you saw one of
them, even under under their
deformities, you could still
tell that at some point, you
know, they were human and were
driven underground and
cannibalism. So, it's uh but I
think it's a great equipment.
Definitely a camera, of course.
Yeah, right. Yeah. Camera,
recorder. Film my own death.
Yeah. It'd be just like the
Blair Witch Project. Right. So,
me and Jonathan will come out
there and you can bring Don and
Kate and you and us too and
we'll go.
I tell you what, I'm going like
Deadpool. I got two katanas and
I got my roach crusher right
here, Nick. Still, my niece.
No, that's that's what I think
like like all these people get
this footage of the like big
foot and stuff. I why wouldn't
somebody just you know, I'm
sure there's many of them just
kill one and prove us prove
everybody wrong, you know, I
don't know. And I know the ones
I quote have brought back at
least what I've heard. They
don't have to be like, oh,
giant bear or during one of
those big foot hunts that we
did and and this was actually
something I'm glad we did
during this time of the year.
It was about four years ago. We
invest, it was down in central
Illinois that we went.
Supposedly, this was an area
where there were big foot
signs. I mean, people always
think it's just the Pacific
Northwest or the South. In
reality, it's not. Well, yes,
it's true. That's where most of
the signs come from. It's not
just those areas. It's pretty
much all of the places that
we went as frequent of course.
And Illinois, believe it or
not, is is no exception. So, we
went in the beginning of
January. This was in fact, one
of my very few investigations I
did just before COVID-19 hit.
This was like January of
twenty-twenty. But I think it
was a perfect time that we went
because it was the middle of
winter. Thankfully, it wasn't
too cold. But you know, people
would think, well, you don't
want to investigate when it's
cold. It's one of the most
perfect times because if you're
going on a cryptid hunt during
the middle of winter when
there's all this snow around,
you probably will have a better
chance like even if it was
whether it's a footprint or if
you find like a hair sample or
something, it would be far more
easier to find during the
winter than you can during the
summer. Of course, also, you
don't have to worry about bugs
or anything like that. So,
although our attempts of trying
to find any evidence was
unsuccessful, what I did do
was I had a whole bunch of
visitors with us was I get I
had a whole bunch of little zip
zip zip bags, you know, little
bags basically and a lot of
people were asking, well, what
are these for? I said, in case
if you guys find any hair
samples, put them in the put
them in the bag. So, that way,
we can get them to the lab and
get them tested. But again, not
not surprisingly, in spite of
our attempts, we couldn't find
anything but it was still worth
you know, being on a hunt like
this. Exactly. I mean, you
know, it's it's not a contest
here. You know, if we if we
find anything great, if not, at
least we tried but there was
something fun about this event
that he didn't take pardon
unfortunately but the same
event that we had with Bigfoot.
I mean, with this Bigfoot event,
we actually had Bobo from
fighting Bigfoot with us which
he did a presentation. Great
guy by the way. Yeah. Like
that. Yeah. He's a great guy.
No, he's it seems like a cool
guy and I I was just thinking
like another advantage, you
know, we always we always hear
Bigfoot having darker hair or
reddish hair and you know, with
the white background with it
snowing, it would stand out
more plus there's not as many
leaves on the trees. So, the
sun sun can come through and I
I I think you'd have a bit
better chance of seeing one in
the winter time. You know what
I mean? I agree with you on that.
I think during the winter, you
have a much better chance of
seeing someone because you know,
if it's like you said, dark
colored, it would contrast
against the white background
with all the snow and stuff
like that. In fact, I don't know
if you know about this Chris
because this happened in
Colorado and this in fact, it
was featured on an episode of
finding Bigfoot. There,
everybody always says that
supposedly like the earliest
footage of Bigfoot was the
first time. That's not
actually true. There is an
older piece of film and you
can really see this too
because this happened on a
mountainside with snow. This
was filmed. I don't know
exactly where but it was filmed
somewhere in Colorado in 1962
and they and the and the guy
who filmed it, he's passed away
now. I mean, I think he's been
gone now for several years but
the finding Bigfoot team, I
they did interview his son and
they were in a small group or
something like that. Now, the
footage you see, you can
definitely see a dark haired
figure on the side of the
mountain with all the snow and
although the footage is in
black and white because you
know, a lot of people still had
black and white cameras at that
time. Yes. It didn't matter
because you can still see this
dark shape. It looks like it's
also leaping over, you know, a
a creek or something like that.
It's and to me, just like the
Patterson Gimlin film, I mean,
it's it's really surprising.
I'm really surprised it's not
gotten more attention than it
should have. Right. Right.
Yeah. I think Colorado's
hotspot is up near Bailey,
Colorado. Yeah. Because there's
a museum up there, a Bigfoot
Museum. We went into one time
and it was it was pretty
interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it
really is because I I don't
know if it's funny enough. I
know Breckenridge also has got
another sighting too because
you guys remember the show
Monster Quest, right? From the
history. Yeah. So, they did an
episode on basically what's
considered Colorado's version of
Bigfoot because if you look at,
you know, different states, I
mean, like obviously in the
Pacific Northwest, you know,
it's usually just like Bigfoot
or Sasquatch but when you look
at other individual states or
whatever, they usually will
have a name for that
particular one. Oh, I see.
Oh, I see. One for Colorado and
this is the one they did on
Monster Quest was the uh
Colorado Snowbeast. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. I think they made a
snowman. Yeah. I think they
made a film about it in fact
back in the late 70s like a TV
movie and I think it's on the
snowbeast but what's
interesting about these sightings
from what I remember was they
they definitely go back a long
time. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I I've
I've I believe that. I mean,
they didn't have cameras then.
All they could do is like try
to draw it, you know, from from
memory or you know, or shoot
it. I mean, yeah, right. You
know, that's pretty much all
they can do. So, so what's the
future hold for you, man? What
what what do you want to do? I
know you got all these podcasts
and everything going. You say
you're going to do it. What what
what's your dream, man? What do
you want to accomplish in the
next next couple of years? Well,
one thing is and this is
something I've been trying to
do for years is I I definitely
would like to get international
and start going to other
countries. I mean, there's a
lot of places here in the United
States like including other
states I haven't gone to that I
really want to investigate but
I definitely really want to get
out more often. I mean, try to
get out more and try to go on
more trips to Europe or Asia.
My my siblings, however, they've
gotten to have the opportunity
to go to different countries in
Europe but not myself yet. So,
as you can imagine, I'm pretty
jealous about that. It's still
mad about even a decade later.
Did they go like cryptid or
ghost hunting when they went
over there or did they just go
for I would go for probably
almost anything although. Yeah.
I can certainly promise you
guys that say for example, now
that we've got a chance to
investigate it because again, I
was still young at the time was
we did go down to Mexico and
from what I've heard is that,
yes, there's a lot of haunted
locations throughout Mexico.
Yeah. But Mexico along with the
rest of Central and South
America seem to have is what I
would consider the most UFO and
alien encounter counters in any
other part of the world. I mean,
I usually say Mexico, Central,
and South America are the UFO
encounters. Billy Carson talks
about, I don't know if you know
who he is, but he talks a lot
about the Egyptian pyramids and
the Anunnaki and and he was
saying about how there's
pyramids in in South America
that are older than the
Egyptian ones. Absolutely. I
I think there's there is just
so many other places out there
that and and this is actually
what's what I do with one of my
podcasts that I run which
obviously as you can see from
the video that's just hosted by
myself and part of what I do
with my show and it's very
unique because there's not very
many other paranormal podcasts
to do this is I have
presentations I deliver at
different locations. Sometimes
I'll do like historic events as
well but it's usually on
different locations but a lot
of the places that I that I
present are places that are not
really well known or really get
to be well known. It surprises
a lot of people because you
know, you look at if you look
at a lot of the paranormal like
TV shows or even some of the
podcasts in the last 10, 15,
20 years, a lot of times, it's
always the same places or
whatever or if there were other
places like from 20 years ago,
they don't they don't
investigate them anymore. So,
my job obviously is to try to
really, I I mean, yeah, I I
show some of those famous
places but more of the lesser
known places like get people to
know what these places are.
They're like, oh, wow, how do
we not know about this? You
know? Yeah. Something like the,
you know, very, it's it's
definitely well worth, you
know, putting them together.
What's the place we all have in
common? Yeah. Yeah, the Abbey.
Uh so the Nick files, what what
day is it on? What what time
and is it on the Things Network
or? It's not only just on the
Things Networks because because
of the show being so different
compared to you know, to other
podcasts like this, my show is
actually attracted the the
attention of other networks and
they say, I like, you know, we
want to get the show onto our
network and there are some
networks of course that I also
approached of bringing my show
on to theirs too. I know a lot
of invest and I'm not trying to
obviously be like one of those
invest gears that's, you know,
I'm not trying to be like, I'm
not trying to be like, I'm not
like that at all. I'm not like
Zach. Yeah, not like Zach. But
you know, the reason, but the
reason why I bring my show onto
some of these networks however
is, you know, unlike Things
Network is maybe some of the
others where we know they have
an active schedule or you know,
active schedule. There's some
other paranormal networks out
there that don't have as many
shows. So, the way I, so, by
bringing my show, it's basically
more or less to benefit the
network at that hour. So, about
eight different networks now but
it was to answer your question.
I do my show on Wednesday
afternoons at uh 430 and
Central Time. Yes. 430 PM
Central Standard Time. Okay.
Okay. That's awesome. That's
why I'm going to get you out for
sure. Hell yeah. It's a good
job. You did do the Abbey,
right, Nick? Yeah, I did. You
went out there. That's you.
Yeah. I've done something new
with my show. In addition to
locations that I present that I
have a whole list on. I've also
been uh I thought this would
make it even fun for everybody,
you know, like whenever I
present them is what especially
if we got like an invest if
either myself or a team member
or even a paranormal group
outside of the network have an
investigation coming up but
they want to know about the
location and they say, hey, any
possibility you could present
this location for us? We got an
investigation. Basically, kind
of like basically kind of like
that as a precursor for the
investigation. Now, you know,
Jonathan. Well, it's awesome
that you do that. That that's
like para unity, you know? It's
like you're wanting to help
them, you know, figure out what
happened. I was going to say
that go hand in hand with the
global ghost hunt thing like
somebody goes to, I don't know,
the ghost hunt thing and they
investigate it and like show
the history and then the people
could invest. You know what I
mean, Jonathan? Yeah. I
actually have a banner too on
in regards to peri unity. So,
you know, I'm I'm I know there's
a lot of others out there who
don't believe it but I'm I'm a
huge supporter. We're huge
fans of it here too. We've
reported so, you know, some
people say it doesn't exist but
I still believe there's it does
exist in some form. So, yeah,
by doing something like that is
like a lot of many secrets,
man. Like, if I if I do
something that gives great
evidence, I I share it
immediately. I'm like, try it
out, you know? I'm like, just
do it, you know, and and I
really got into the in the um
first years of I starting uh
JK forty-seven paranormal. Like,
I really focused on the cat
balls and then all of a sudden,
cat balls just start taking off.
I was like, okay, well, hopefully
it reached out to some people,
you know, you know, you should
you guys should have on and
Chris, you're going to know
exactly what I'm about to bring
up is uh Jeremy York because he
actually, he has uh
particular, there's another
device out there that he taught
me about and now he's been
spreading it all over the place
and I've been kind of spreading
it out for him too is um and
this it definitely is useful
for an investigation is the dog
whistle. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because
of that. No, that really high
frequency. I I could see that
working. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
the the dog whistle has really
been quite useful for some of
the investigations like we've
gotten some really good
responses as a result. Although
interesting. One piece of
advice, if you guys ever decide
to use the dog whistle is uh
because we had some
investigators that did it but
they didn't decide because
there was no. I promise you.
You will be sorry because there
was there was there was a few
investigators we knew of that
went to a cemetery after dark.
They investigated that and they
had they had a dog. They had a
dog whistle with them. So, they
use the dog whistle and oh,
they definitely got responses
alright but it was not
paranormal. Out in those boxes
and they were hearing howls and
one growls and one I'm they
just vaulted for the cars. They
got the hell out of it. Whatever
use them outside at night.
Trust me. You will be sorry.
I realize it's the high pitch
but how's that like go with a
ghost investigation? It's the
ghost investigations. I mean,
what's what's the dog whistle?
Well, what's funny? The first
time I went to the cemetery, it
was back at Waverly again. This
was almost this was this was
over 10 years after the last
time I was there and that was
that was also among well, it
was the second time I got to
meet Jeremy in person. So, this
was when we were really
starting to work together and
we used it in the in the body
shoe which was actually a
really good spot because we
have we have the entire length
of the tunnel. I don't know what
I say. You know, basically
occupied. So, we have like the
ramp, right? That goes down in
the body tunnel. Yeah. Yeah,
it's almost like a cave almost.
So, uh. Okay. So, we use the
dog whistle and um we blew it.
Obviously, at first, all you
can just hear is that high
pitch sound from it but then
after that, we got I don't
remember if it was actually
the dog whistle responses out
of the uh well, no, we weren't
using, we weren't using spirit
boxes that we had cat balls
too. The cat balls did go off a
few times and uh we see Jeremy
would know this better than I
would. We got either. Yeah,
that's fine. We we definitely
got at least two responses out
of it. So, I I definitely think
it's a really useful tool tool
to use for the death whistle.
Yeah. I think Jeremy has one
too. Ever since I saw Ghost
Busters after like, yeah, I
want to ask that. I want to try
that now. Absolutely. That
thing sounds amazing. So, what's
been your favorite place? What's
been your favorite place you've
been? You better say in
Colorado because you know, you
know, I've been to a lot of
places. Well, here's the thing.
I got a I got a couple
locations. I don't just have
one. So, what I'll do though
and I I've done this with other
shows is I can give you guys at
least a top five in the very
last. Alright, alright, that's
fair. So, obviously as I told
you on a moment doubtfully as
Waverly. Uh absolutely. I love
the Abbey in Colorado. Pres.
Yeah. Yeah. You you were
there. I did enjoy that place.
So, that's where I met him.
Yeah. I'm sure Dennis, Dennis
put you up to that too. My
third favorite place would
probably have to be um we got
Julie at prison over here. So,
we got uh which in fact, I'm
I'm not trying to claim credit.
I'm actually being honest. I
was actually one of the very
first. Hey, Charles. Good to
see you. Um. Good to see you
brother. I was actually one of
the first to investigate.
Julie at prison. When they
opened up the investigations.
It's yours. Gosh, what are the
what are the last two places?
Um there's there's this oh uh
on doubt uh OSR, Ohio State
Reformatory. Right? Yeah. And
I'm my last one. What's funny?
It's again, it's not really
just one location because it's
multiple locations but I'll
tell you about Alton, Illinois
where it's one of the most
haunted small towns in America.
Got Mineral Springs Hotel,
McPike Mansion, the very first
state prison of Illinois. It's
it's a fantastic area. Yeah, if
you ever get the chance, I I
would highly suggest uh the old
Montana State Prison. That that
was a fun night. That was a
really funny night. You know
what? I was just, I was just
thinking about the prison. I
was just thinking about the
prison. It's funny enough. I I
looked it up on Wikipedia.
Obviously, they didn't they
didn't say anything about it
being haunted but they still
talk about the history of the
prison though and I'm thinking
given the chance, this would be
a great place for me to try and
go and investigate if I'm if I
might. So, you can you can
investigate there. Um you just
called a lady uh at the front
desk and she'll get you in
contact with them. Uh 600 bucks
and they'll get you a fence
waiver thing and you they'll
let you go all night. Uh when
we went, it was just me and AJ.
It was just the two of us in
that whole location for the
whole night and we got we got
some good stuff. That's awesome.
It was a great great
investigation. Nick, do you have
that one clip available? That
I'm going to try to look for
that real quick. Um yeah, that's
an amazing clip, JK. Yeah, it
was a great clip. I'll share it
then from the show. Uh but what
I'll do while I'm looking it up
is um so it was just it was a
few years ago, just really
three for the most part that I
all this talk about evidence
that I've collected, you know,
like my first ever piece of
evidence I got. It was three
years ago. I finally captured
my very first video evidence
and you know what? I'll even
throw in an extra place in my
house. I'll throw in an extra
place. My sixth favorite is the
uh Old Lake County Jail in
Crowdpoint, Indiana. Alright.
Alright. So, what we were doing
that night was we were actually
trying to film a paranormal
series of of our of our own and
sorry, I'm still looking for
right. I'm searching for a
moment. Oh, you're good. So,
anyways, um yeah, we were we
were trying to film a paranormal
series that we were doing. What
we were doing was obviously a
lot of people try to come up
with new ideas for things that
haven't been done on paranormal
shows. What we were going to do
was we were going to have like
six, five, or six different
groups at one particular
location and see what type of
experiences they got, you know,
during the investigation. All
of it, of course, would be
filmed while they're
investigating and then kind of
have like a meeting afterwards
telling me like, okay, what
what did this group experience?
What did you guys get the idea?
What? What? Yeah. So, the first
group that we had, in fact, it
was it was actually the the
guys that ran the tours of the
uh of the jail itself. Funny
enough, the guy who's in the
video as you've seen Chris, he
actually used to do the tours
for Jolie at prison. So, so,
this was a guy that I already
knew personally. So, when we
were filming the tour of the
prison, of the jail, and it was
me along with someone else who's
a a a really good friend of mine
who's actually who's also a
show host on our network too.
His name is uh Don Elmi. Now,
we've got two separate video
cameras. I brought my own. Don
was filming one uh was borrowing
one of Jeremy's cameras. Uh
night vision once. Wow. In the
in the footage, they're they're
they're just running just like
out of nowhere. This huge like
there's there's like this huge
shadow, this huge black mess
comes down from the ceiling and
covers the guy's head. And it's
it's it's the weirdest it's the
weirdest thing because you know
when you see paranormal footage
most of the time like most of
us are familiar with it. We
usually find out any any
other things. Yeah. The review,
yeah. The review. This was this
was one of those rare occasions
that this happened while the
filming was in progress and I
saw it on the little monitor of
the camera. I'm like looking at
it. I don't know. I don't know
if you're going to be able to
hear hear it because again it's
it's kind of quiet but if you
if you have like headphones or
something, you can literally
hear it. It's just this thing.
Now, as you can imagine. That's
like us kissing JK. Yeah. As
you can imagine, I mean, even
when this was happening, I was
turning my head several times
just to make sure it wasn't
causing a shadow. The room was
the whole room was dark. Now,
there was, we weren't too far
from the windows which again at
this point, it was already
nighttime and although some
light was coming in from the
camera, it was still a shadow
like this and even at times,
you can see in the footage that
you know, II kind of do move
around just to make sure again
if it's not me making that um
making the shadow, I look over
to Don next and see if he's
causing it and he he's nowhere
near this he's nowhere near the
position of this thing. He has
a little light on his camera
too like from the night vision
but this was not bright enough
to make the shadow could have
formed and you can also hear me
on tape saying, god, are you
getting this right now? He's
like, he's like, what are you
talking about? It's like,
there's something on camera.
I'm like, there's I have,
there's something on camera
right now. There's a sitting on
your face.
I whispered, I whispered to
Don about it but I, I didn't
tell the guys in front because
I didn't, whatever this was, I
didn't tell them. It must have
been on camera for about a
minute or two perhaps and then
it goes back up into the
ceiling. Now, I know some people
would ask, say, well, how come
you never moved your camera out
to the ceiling to see where where
it was? I mean, where this this
this mask came from. Matter of
fact, I did but very briefly,
if you, if you look, I mean, if
you look at the footage and if
you pause it quick enough, you
could see obviously from the
back of the camera, you could
see the cause of the shadow but
here's the crazy part.
Unfortunately, it's not going
to show the full thing but um
after this thing vanished, I
mean, I, I, I'm still in
disbelief but just as I was
about to catch my breath,
suddenly, this black mess
actually comes back down a
second time in the same exact
position in the same exact
position over the guy's head
and it was, it was only there
for maybe about 10 seconds and
then it went back up to the
ceiling again and it was gone
completely. It was gone. I just
picture a ghost like squatting
on his shoulders like sitting
on his head or something.
Too bad. Too bad. Too bad.
Yeah, too bad.
It was it was just the the most
bizarre thing I think I've ever
captured. I mean, and I was
again, I was asking that
question, what is this thing?
So, it was it was really
strange. I think I found the
footage from the show. Give me
one second here while I'm
looking at it. I think this
might be at. You know how to do
it with the present button in
the stream yard? Okay. Yeah,
I've used obviously just like
these shows. I mean, on on
Things Network, we use, we use
Streamyard too. So, I'm pretty
familiar with it. I'm just
trying to, I'm just trying to
get a little bit of a sense of
what's going on. Okay, so, the
footage I got here, like I
said, they're they're not going
to be able to show everything.
This this is from the it's
actually from a game show. They
who review paranormal footage.
This is this is from a show
called, you probably know this
one, Chris, from Myth or
Mystery and they're going to
show part of the footage here.
So, I'm going to I'm going to
share it right now so you guys
check it out for yourselves.
Let me know if you guys can
see it. In his thick black mask
engulfing the head of an
investigator here. I've seen it
all the county sheriff's house
in jail and Indiana. You want to
miss it? Oh yeah, there's his
head. Okay, I see his head.
Yeah. It's a little bit hard to
see it first but like if you
look at it a few like more than
once, you'll see exactly what
I'm talking about. The head of
an investigator here. Oh, his
head is a little bit hard to
see. That's crazy. The location
shut down. It's pretty much
exactly what's right.
Historical. Shadow figures have
been seen drifting in and out
cells and so that's what you
guys are asking. That's what I
captured. Only one camera
captures a black mask
descending from the ceiling.
Oh, wow. But the cameraman who
I know I've seen it before but
I've never seen it. I wonder if
he's still smiling. He's
unable to. Oh yeah. Now,
slow motion. So, here's a
better better view to see it
now.
and they couldn't figure it out
on that show, right? They
couldn't. They couldn't at all.
So, I have I have sent this
footage to some of the most
hardcore skeptics out there
because they were like the
skeptics that would disappoint
you immediately with whatever
you have and they could not
come up with any idea what's I
mean, they asked me questions
saying, well, you sure wasn't
this or that? They couldn't
come up with anything and do
you remember what year this
was? When when did you, what
year was that? This was taken
back in 2021. Okay. Alright.
So, in fact, even after when I
showed Jeremy and he even gave
me a pat on the back for it.
You definitely cuz he's like,
looks like you definitely
earned something for tonight on
this. So, but it was just it
was just the weirdest and I
even asked the guy later saying,
did you feel anything? You're
like over your head or anything
like that? The weirdest thing
is he said he never felt like
any cold spots or he didn't
know this was obviously as you
know, he was like, I knew this.
I knew this. Well, you know,
what's funny is that the
podcast that was showing that
footage, there were two
interesting notes that came out
of it is that obviously, again,
this was a show too that had
another hardcore skeptic. I
mean, I was even telling myself
like when they were gonna
present the footage cuz the guy
they have on the show again, he
could really debunk very
quickly. I mean, the guy's name
is Josh. I was like, tell me
something good here, Josh.
Break my heart completely into
a disappointment. Oh, Criola.
She's a very good friend of mine.
She's a paranormal investigator.
In fact, if if you don't mind
me telling you this telling
them this. Go ahead. Criola,
she is one of the very few if
not so far only paranormal
investigators in the world. Oh,
that's where Dracula's Castle
is. Yep, Vlad the Emperor.
Although, I wanna speak out for
Criola. There's more than just
Transylvania basically. She
she actually sent me a number
of links of other haunted and
historical locations and you
know, places like this
throughout Romania. So, which I
wanna think I definitely wanna
thank her for sending me that.
So, I'm gonna be looking at it
later later this afternoon. So,
I'm gonna go to her paranormal
family. So, I'm glad she's she's
in the chat. Yeah. Well, you
can consider the JK part of
your paranormal family. You
guys ever wanna see some crazy
stuff? I got some crazy stuff
too. Yeah. He he got on
Tuesdays that you gotta catch
dude. Tuesday. Yeah. Anyway,
that'll be good. I do a live
spirit box sessions and then I
take the video and I edit, I
post the best of on Thursday.
And all I do is work on cold
cases. Try to help families get
closure and stuff. It's it's
pretty cool, dude. I get some
great responses. That's
incredible. But yeah, like I
said, this guy, like I was
saying, I I was saying before
that, yeah, I said, yo, please
break my heart completely into
what this is. Yeah. Tell me,
give me your best shot. And he
couldn't come up with anything.
He couldn't come up with anything.
The only thing that he came up
with was you know, and it was
very unlikely though is that he
may have assumed that, well,
maybe me as the camera operator,
I could have put my finger
accidentally in the front of the
lens. Why would I put my finger
in front of the lens? But it
had night vision. So, you
would have seen your fingernail
and everything. Yeah, exactly.
And you know, you would have
definitely seen even more
movement like, you know, like a
camera operator would have
covered his head like that.
Yeah, there's no way it could
have and and plus most cameras
have the handles nowadays. So,
you know, why and and the
camera and and the lens was
clear. So, you know, why would
I need to? Well, also, the
finger would have blocked out
part of the girl's head too.
That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. So,
in the end, other but other than
that, he couldn't come up with
anything. So, that was amazing,
man. That's amazing. Everybody's
got to try to send that footage
to I'm actually planning on
sending that footage to uh
Paranormal Con on camera and
and unexplained on camera for
the UK audience. So, um. And
Zach too, right? No, I'm
kidding. Well, well, not Zach
but I have however shown it to
the guys from Paranormal Con
camera at a uh Paracon. I've
shown the footage to uh Brian
J. Cano and uh Aaron Sagers.
We, I saw him. Well, I saw him
on camera. I was there at um
Paris Icon at Mansfield, Ohio
and and what was kind of what
was really cool was they told
me to send the footage for the
show but they also told me to
send a copy of that footage to
them individually. They want to
have a copy of it. That's
crazy, man. That's cool. That's
a great catch. That's the first
time I've watched it that close
and intense. I mean, you showed
it to me other times on other
channels but I just kind of
did. You know, if there's
something that you haven't
captured on camera because you
know, especially, yes, you got
a lot of investigators out
there who've been doing this
for years and they haven't
really captured something like
this or especially a lot of
newcomers that want to get
started because there's some
newcomers out there who think
they they're going to get
something immediately. Reality
is, it's not like that at all.
It's it's as I'm sure I'm not
the first to say it. It's like
it's like it's like it's like
all the time. Yeah. It is. As I
would say, I believe that does
a lot more with your intention.
Your intentions going in. You
know, II believe that that
spirit can feel, you know, if
you're going to provoke them or
you know, and they'll just kind
of stay away from that and I I
believe if you go in trying to
help and you know, figure out
what their message is that that
you get a lot more. Yeah, he I
think that's definitely a good
reason but I also believe too,
it is probably the most perfect
example that you gotta be at
the right place at the right
time to capture something like
this. So, when it comes to
collecting video footage,
footage, or whatever the case
is, I just think that, you know,
again, a lot of people who
think they're going to get stuff
real quick. Again, it's like,
it's a way to get this. This
took me, this took me seventeen
years to get this footage. It
took me seventeen years for me
to finally get my first piece
of video footage. That's that's
honestly as I would probably
say the the reality when it
tries when it comes to capturing
something on camera. Dude,
well, you've been you've been
amazing, man, and I I thank you
for sharing your whole story,
brother, and I'd love to have
you back on and see some more
some more stuff and I can't
thank you enough, man. Love and
light to you for for everything
you're doing. Thank you. For
everything. I gotta get you back
on and if you hang around in
the background, I got a picture
I want to show you real quick.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, hang out in
the background and I'll I'll
pull it up and I think you I
think you'll like it. So, but
everybody follow follow Nick
and check out his show on
Wednesdays. The Nick Files.
It's four PM Central. Is that
correct? Uh 430 PM Central
Standard Time. 430 PM Central.
Yeah, that's right. But uh
right now, we gotta cut it off
here. So, thanks, Nick. I
really appreciate it. Hang out
in the back for me and I'll
show you that. Alright.
helping out. Thank you. Thank
you very much. Cockroaches.
Alright, Chris, what do you
think? I love it. I love it. I
think eleven. Yeah. He's a
great guy. Yeah, it was uh
great. I want to thank all
everybody and uh we'll see you
next time.