1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,900 I'm going to be with you. Of 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:06,000 course, AJ will not be with us 3 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,900 today. You know, hope he's 4 00:00:06,060 --> 00:00:09,940 doing okay. Uh Sir Chris, how 5 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,980 are you? I'm wonderful, 6 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,480 wonderful, great week. How are 7 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,980 you? Doing good, man. Just uh 8 00:00:14,540 --> 00:00:17,480 like I said before, just on the 9 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,020 edge of my seat waiting for 10 00:00:17,540 --> 00:00:23,020 Deadpool three. I just I just 11 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:25,020 already but yeah, man. So, 12 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:27,020 guys, we got, we got a great 13 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:29,860 show for you today. Uh special 14 00:00:29,860 --> 00:00:33,840 show in the paranormal world 15 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,340 for about 19 years. So, uh 16 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:37,840 without further ado, let me 17 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,440 bring uh Nick in here. Nick, 18 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:40,980 how you doing, brother? I am 19 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,720 doing good. How about you? 20 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,580 Doing great, man. So, um uh 21 00:00:44,780 --> 00:00:49,660 Susan says hello. Hey, everybody. 22 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:50,860 Hi, Susan. Hey, Susan. Um so, 23 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,860 let's let's just start from the 24 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,060 beginning. So, so what was your 25 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,660 first paranormal experience or 26 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,800 you know, how did you get into 27 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,640 it? It's like you hear a lot of 28 00:01:02,940 --> 00:01:04,740 people who talk about it's 29 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,240 because they had experiences 30 00:01:04,820 --> 00:01:08,620 when they were kids or whatever 31 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:10,180 the case is. Yeah. That wasn't 32 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,860 the case for me. It was 33 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:14,660 actually curiosity that brought 34 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,020 me into it. Um it actually, 35 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,600 although I've been doing this 36 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:18,800 for 19 years, there's there's 37 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:21,800 actually kind of origins even 38 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:23,500 before that. Um growing up in 39 00:01:21,860 --> 00:01:25,740 the uh 90s obviously, I used to 40 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,400 watch uh the X-Files which you 41 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,340 know at that time of course was 42 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:32,460 the first paranormal show that 43 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,780 was just our that was just our 44 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,460 typical show that we watch when 45 00:01:33,860 --> 00:01:36,960 that world was on and then we 46 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,620 fast forward a few years later 47 00:01:37,020 --> 00:01:39,920 perhaps the first paranormal 48 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:41,220 show that I really may have 49 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,760 came across which I didn't 50 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:45,260 believe in it but it was still 51 00:01:42,820 --> 00:01:46,740 interesting because uh it was 52 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:50,140 uh the show's scariest places 53 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:52,480 on earth. Yeah. Okay. Okay. 54 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,340 Classic one. Additionally, with 55 00:01:52,540 --> 00:01:56,080 both the X-Files and scariest 56 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,680 places on earth, I also became a 57 00:01:56,140 --> 00:01:59,280 huge kind of horror movies too. 58 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,520 I don't know if I've seen more 59 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,220 but it really didn't start until 60 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:07,520 again till I was about 12 years 61 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,820 old and um it was 2005 and I 62 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,900 just happened to be flipping 63 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:11,300 around the channels one day and 64 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,700 this was this was back on the 65 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,740 travel channel. You said 66 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,060 paranormal shows just on 67 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,740 Friday nights. Yeah. I come 68 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:19,740 across this show that's called 69 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Most Haunted. I'm like, huh, 70 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,280 wonder what this is. Great. So 71 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,140 I started. So, I started tuning 72 00:02:24,340 --> 00:02:28,280 in and before I knew it, I was 73 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,400 about 12 years old. I was 74 00:02:30,420 --> 00:02:32,600 actually already starting to go 75 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:34,100 on investigations. Although 76 00:02:32,660 --> 00:02:35,500 they were just, they were just 77 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,340 part-time investigations. So, 78 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,140 not not full-time but it was at 79 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,840 the age I did capture my very 80 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,840 first piece of evidence, 81 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:45,000 audio. Oh, really? Alright. 82 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:46,640 Wow. Nice. Yeah. What did it 83 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,740 say? What was your first EVP 84 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:50,180 you got? Well, I want to 85 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,540 actually say this for Chris. 86 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,420 What's funny? This was in a 87 00:02:51,620 --> 00:02:56,020 location in Colorado. So, 88 00:02:56,020 --> 00:03:00,120 this was, I don't remember, I 89 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,300 don't remember exactly which 90 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,800 town it was but it was either 91 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,460 Breckenridge or Leadville. It 92 00:03:02,860 --> 00:03:06,060 was one of the two. Okay. We 93 00:03:04,540 --> 00:03:07,760 went to this hotel where I 94 00:03:06,140 --> 00:03:10,140 guess apparently three deaths 95 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,600 occurred and uh we weren't 96 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,340 allowed to invest. We weren't 97 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,700 actually staying there. We were 98 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,980 just visiting. We weren't allowed 99 00:03:13,780 --> 00:03:16,380 to go to the rooms that were 100 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,740 said to be haunted but we were 101 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,980 allowed however to go to the 102 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:20,040 library which was like kind of 103 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,020 one of those conference room 104 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,380 libraries and that's of course 105 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:27,380 where we were staying. So, we 106 00:03:24,820 --> 00:03:28,660 my dad, my brother, and myself, 107 00:03:27,460 --> 00:03:30,220 we walked through it and we're 108 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,460 just there for a few minutes. 109 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,020 As usual, we don't hear 110 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,420 anything or experience 111 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:39,300 anything but when we get back 112 00:03:35,500 --> 00:03:42,700 to the car and II review the 113 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:45,000 audio. Um it's still it's still 114 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,800 not fully like clear but the 115 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:49,840 first two words, I could hear 116 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,780 it say like I am like I am. 117 00:03:52,780 --> 00:03:57,100 I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm 118 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,200 like I'm like I'm like I'm like 119 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,160 I'm like. What the hell was 120 00:03:59,260 --> 00:04:04,500 that? That was actually a great 121 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,240 start again and only fourteen 122 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,500 years old to to get something 123 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:10,900 like that. I in fact, I still 124 00:04:08,580 --> 00:04:13,580 have that audio to the that that 125 00:04:10,980 --> 00:04:17,680 that audio to this very day. 126 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,680 I'd see it. 127 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,780 But honestly, I mean, when it 128 00:04:21,780 --> 00:04:24,920 comes to the first four years, 129 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,460 I didn't start however until I 130 00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:27,560 guess like where I am today, 131 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,520 didn't really start until a few 132 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:31,360 years later when I was 17 133 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:32,760 years old and I have the 134 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:34,500 opportunity to go on my first 135 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:35,900 full night investigation which 136 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,660 you couldn't you can't think of 137 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,660 a better place than to start 138 00:04:37,740 --> 00:04:41,240 off a first full night at 139 00:04:39,740 --> 00:04:43,800 Waverly Hill Sanatorium in 140 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:47,200 Louisville. Oh, wow. Amazing. 141 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:49,580 Amazing. Yeah. That that place 142 00:04:49,580 --> 00:04:54,140 is amazing to me that night 143 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,980 because there was this was back 144 00:04:54,220 --> 00:04:57,580 in 2010. So, at that time, I 145 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,120 know parts of the building 146 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,780 wasn't in great shape as as it 147 00:04:59,180 --> 00:05:02,680 is now but it was still worth 148 00:05:00,860 --> 00:05:03,820 checking out. The first thing 149 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,020 that actually occurred that 150 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,520 night was we were on the fourth 151 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,060 floor and this happened a few 152 00:05:06,580 --> 00:05:10,600 minutes after we arrived. We 153 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,120 went up to the fourth floor and 154 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:13,600 we have one of the guides with 155 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,000 us and he says to us, you know, 156 00:05:13,660 --> 00:05:16,960 it's probably best to be every 157 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:19,540 flashlights turn off and so we 158 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:23,200 have to return them off. I 159 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,040 start seeing this movement going 160 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:26,780 on down the hallway and and it's 161 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:28,280 not just one movement. There are 162 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,440 several, you know, some are 163 00:05:28,340 --> 00:05:30,520 going to the right, some are 164 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,840 going to the left, some are 165 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:34,420 coming towards us and away from 166 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,720 us. Wow. And and what's even 167 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,880 better about this which I I've 168 00:05:35,780 --> 00:05:38,860 still been trying to do for the 169 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,560 last several years because this 170 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,160 was 2010 obviously we didn't 171 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:44,920 have Facebook live at that 172 00:05:42,220 --> 00:05:46,360 time. Right, right. Yeah. I did 173 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,960 however have an old video 174 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,880 recently and I I got a majority 175 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:55,840 of the investigation on tape. 176 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:58,440 I've only reviewed only about 177 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,840 10% of that video because this 178 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,920 was not this was one of those 179 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:04,560 old cameras with the old 180 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:05,920 cassette tape. Yeah. Uh but if 181 00:06:04,620 --> 00:06:07,280 you hear me on the tape, you 182 00:06:05,980 --> 00:06:09,360 can hear me gasp but it was not 183 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,760 a gasp of fright. It was like 184 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:15,860 excitement like Yes. No, that's 185 00:06:13,820 --> 00:06:17,460 the way I am on investigations 186 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:21,940 and I was like, I got 187 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:23,940 terrified. Yes. It's fun. Yeah, 188 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,340 I love it. I love it. Yeah, my 189 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,480 my greatest EVP I got was was 190 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:33,180 at the Abbey. I know you've 191 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:35,160 been there before. and I had 192 00:06:33,260 --> 00:06:37,060 just come from investigating 193 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:38,860 the basement and I was in the 194 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,820 control room where Dennis was 195 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,020 and my camera that was on my 196 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:45,600 head caught caught the EVP and 197 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,240 I was like, oh, there's a guy 198 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,540 that said, he is here and I was 199 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:52,040 like, okay, because it's just 200 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,940 me and Dennis. There's no, no, 201 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:55,480 nobody else in there. So, I 202 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,140 don't know where this woman 203 00:06:55,540 --> 00:07:00,040 voice came from. But yeah, that 204 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,620 building would be crazy. I 205 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,040 mean, like, and especially to 206 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,620 experience something like that 207 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,620 at such a young age. I mean, to 208 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,260 me, it was, I mean, to me, it 209 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,660 was just such an unbelievable 210 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,620 feeling because I really, 211 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,620 because even, you can even hear 212 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,020 my reaction like not only just 213 00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:16,620 the 214 00:07:15,460 --> 00:07:18,000 reaction, but I can stop and 215 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:20,000 think for a sec like, am I, am 216 00:07:18,060 --> 00:07:21,840 I really seeing this? And the 217 00:07:20,060 --> 00:07:23,300 rest of the night though was 218 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,980 just was just active but also 219 00:07:23,380 --> 00:07:26,580 this there even was a bonus. 220 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,280 Not necessarily paranormal but 221 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,220 not something you get very 222 00:07:28,340 --> 00:07:31,980 often by about two o'clock in 223 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,420 the morning. This was one of 224 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,020 those this was a public 225 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,480 investigation. So, there were 226 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,460 other investors. Yeah. Yeah. 227 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,960 Pointing off, I actually had to 228 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,960 lie about my age to get. He had 229 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:43,420 to be at that time. I was a 230 00:07:43,420 --> 00:07:46,420 little bit of a kid. Cool thing. 231 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:48,400 But the cool thing was was by 232 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,260 about two o'clock in the 233 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:52,500 morning, most of the other 234 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:55,260 investigators had left and 235 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,540 before we, before I knew it, my 236 00:07:55,340 --> 00:07:59,280 dad and I, we had the entire 237 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,740 building all to ourselves. That 238 00:07:59,340 --> 00:08:02,140 can still happen. And what 239 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,140 better way than yeah and what 240 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,380 better way than to have one of 241 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,640 the most famous haunted 242 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,780 locations in the world all to 243 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,620 yourself. It's very rare to 244 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,220 get that. Yeah, man. That's 245 00:08:12,220 --> 00:08:16,900 great. It's great to see you. 246 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:19,660 Uh yeah, man. So, so now you're 247 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,100 seventeen. Uh I was talking 248 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:22,840 with Chris earlier and in high 249 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,440 school, you started your first 250 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:25,540 paranormal group. Is that 251 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:27,100 right? That's correct. That's 252 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,640 another thing that got me into 253 00:08:27,180 --> 00:08:32,780 it is that in 2007, I decided 254 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:34,040 to start a paranormal club 255 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,120 because again, this was 256 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,120 something I really thought 257 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:38,620 would be quite fascinating. 258 00:08:37,180 --> 00:08:40,020 Something that obviously you 259 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:41,520 don't see very often with, you 260 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,400 know, with the, with the 261 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,500 paranormal. Because I was so 262 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:46,500 fascinated. I wanted to see if 263 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,700 there were other kids that were 264 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:49,300 interested in the stuff and in 265 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,800 fact, there were but there were 266 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,140 also a lot of others that were 267 00:08:50,860 --> 00:08:54,540 who wanted to know about this 268 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,080 kind of stuff. Now, obviously, 269 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,540 when I first started this club, 270 00:08:57,140 --> 00:09:00,940 when when I first started, as 271 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,520 you can very well imagine, a 272 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:04,020 lot of kids and staff members 273 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:05,520 respectively, you know, didn't 274 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,720 really take it seriously, 275 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:09,060 especially. Right. Yes. At first 276 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:13,040 I thought it was kind of a joke 277 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,900 and a lot of people thought it 278 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:16,880 was kind of a joke at first. 279 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:18,400 Give me. After I really started 280 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:20,040 spreading more about this club, 281 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,480 like, you know, we're trying to 282 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:22,940 be a we are supposed to be fun 283 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:24,940 but I want to be serious here 284 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:27,480 too. That's when more people 285 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:30,020 started showing up for it. Nice. 286 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:32,460 Yeah. And did you guys go on 287 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,060 investigations as the club? 288 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,460 Unfortunately, well, at least 289 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,960 when I was running it, 290 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,960 unfortunately, we didn't, we 291 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,400 didn't, we didn't, we didn't 292 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,340 try to, at least for the, at 293 00:09:40,460 --> 00:09:43,400 the very least, try to get us 294 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,880 on ghost tours but the sponsor 295 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,380 that we had at that time, she 296 00:09:45,940 --> 00:09:49,240 wasn't really the best and she 297 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,980 seemed to have the more the 298 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,880 decision, decision maker than 299 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,380 me. So, thank god though, she's 300 00:09:53,940 --> 00:09:57,280 not there anymore. So, she's 301 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,080 not causing trouble for that 302 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,520 club but you know, it was a 303 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,720 product of its time when I was 304 00:10:00,580 --> 00:10:02,960 trying to run it but at the 305 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,860 very least, we watched a lot 306 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:06,660 of the the paranormal shows, we 307 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:09,900 watched a lot of the things we 308 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,100 did as far as an investigation 309 00:10:09,980 --> 00:10:13,500 goes and I know some people have 310 00:10:12,180 --> 00:10:15,140 different thoughts and opinions 311 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:17,080 on it. Of course, again, me, I 312 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,220 was still learning but I 313 00:10:17,140 --> 00:10:21,620 actually brought in a Ouija 314 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,520 board to school and we we 315 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:24,680 took it out to the Ouija board 316 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:26,080 and it was and it's still funny. 317 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,660 I still remember this like 318 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,160 yesterday when I brought it and 319 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,420 we decided to use it. This was 320 00:10:29,220 --> 00:10:32,860 one of those glow in the dark 321 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:34,500 ones too by the way. Oh, nice. 322 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,660 We have, I still have it too. 323 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:38,460 I remember when I was younger 324 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:40,940 than my sister when she was 325 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:42,640 like nine or ten years old. We 326 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,240 had, we had all these kids. 327 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:46,100 There were so many up there had 328 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:48,080 to have been about, had to have 329 00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:49,780 been about thirty or forty kids 330 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:51,380 and here they are all 331 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,980 surrounded by the Ouija board, 332 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,580 all putting their fingers on 333 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,080 this little plank. I mean, it's 334 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,580 kind of hard to tell that if 335 00:10:57,140 --> 00:11:01,080 it's really something paranormal 336 00:10:58,660 --> 00:11:02,660 or a whole crowd doing it. I'm 337 00:11:02,660 --> 00:11:08,660 not sure if it's a Ouija board. 338 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:08,660 Oh, we support. 339 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:11,660 So, so after this, after high 340 00:11:10,060 --> 00:11:14,260 school, you graduate, you you 341 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,660 get done there. What what what 342 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:17,140 did you, you're still thinking 343 00:11:15,740 --> 00:11:19,640 about it obviously, you know, 344 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,200 where'd you go from there? I 345 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:23,000 joined my first paranormal 346 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,700 group which unfortunately it's 347 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,540 no longer active and it's not 348 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:28,080 in a social. There is another 349 00:11:26,620 --> 00:11:29,540 group that has that name but 350 00:11:28,140 --> 00:11:32,020 we're not in association with 351 00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:35,620 that group. We're not in 352 00:11:34,580 --> 00:11:36,580 association with us. We were 353 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:38,780 around though for about almost 354 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:41,260 ten years. We started in 2011. 355 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:44,020 We went till about 2019 but 356 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,800 additionally, uh with that 357 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:48,260 group, I also and again, this 358 00:11:45,860 --> 00:11:49,500 was another rarity. Uh 359 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,060 obviously, like any uh student, 360 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:53,040 I went to college of course but 361 00:11:51,140 --> 00:11:54,540 fortunately, the college I went 362 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:56,940 to, they actually had paranormal 363 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:00,380 classes at Harvard Community 364 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,540 College. Oh, wow. So, so, how 365 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:05,640 did you get in? I can honestly 366 00:12:02,740 --> 00:12:09,480 say, I trained at the Paranormal 367 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,480 Academy. 368 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,880 College taught me. 369 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,320 Did you sign up for those 370 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:19,420 paranormal classes? What what 371 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,800 were those classes like? They 372 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:24,560 they were they were quite 373 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:26,000 unique. Um obviously, I mean, 374 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,960 it was a combination of 375 00:12:26,060 --> 00:12:28,440 different things. I mean, it 376 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,700 was not just, there was not 377 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:30,900 just classes, you know, just on 378 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,140 the ground. There were classes, 379 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,320 there was at least one or two 380 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:38,780 classes that um had talked 381 00:12:37,380 --> 00:12:40,080 about UFOs and 382 00:12:38,860 --> 00:12:42,020 extraterrestrials. There was 383 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,120 one I believe that uh we had 384 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,420 cryptids involved and there was 385 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:46,900 also a lot of history to it too. 386 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:49,900 So, these are also kind of like 387 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,500 history classes. In fact, there 388 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,960 was one time, this wasn't 389 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:54,440 necessarily a class but it was 390 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,940 at the same college. This was 391 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:59,040 Harvard Community College I 392 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,440 went to. Um we actually had and 393 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,420 I'm not sure if we have this. 394 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,420 One on one occasion, we had 395 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:09,380 John Zappas come out and be a 396 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,420 speaker for an event and um 397 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:13,460 even though it wasn't a class 398 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,920 within itself, the fact that a 399 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,460 lot of us from these classes 400 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,320 came together to go see them, 401 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,860 it was remarkable because again, 402 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,360 when do you ever have somebody 403 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,440 like that come out to your local 404 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,340 college and speak? Yeah, 405 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:26,740 exactly. Wow. That's awesome. 406 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,340 Did you learn about the 407 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,440 equipment there or in those? 408 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,420 Yeah, I did. Um when John 409 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,920 Zappas was there, of course, 410 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,280 not surprisingly because this 411 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:37,780 was also, as I would call the 412 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,360 pre-conjuring years because this 413 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:40,860 was before. Right. Right. 414 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:42,460 Conjuring was released. He 415 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,660 talked obviously about like, 416 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,660 you know, um you know, and 417 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Lorraine Warren, some of their 418 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,100 investigations. He showed some 419 00:13:46,820 --> 00:13:49,660 of the videos and whatnot and 420 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,140 there were some people who 421 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:52,400 asked some pretty good 422 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,540 questions. I still remember 423 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:54,800 like when he used to be a 424 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,440 frequent guest on the show of 425 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,500 the year. Yeah. So, it it 426 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:03,040 really answered. I I think he 427 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:05,440 really answered a lot of our 428 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:07,000 questions. Um at that time, 429 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:09,040 at a time when we really didn't 430 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,040 have as many, you know, podcasts 431 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:12,340 or events or, you know, 432 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,620 paracons or anything like that. 433 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:16,520 Right. Right. So, that's how 434 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,320 you do your timelines now. PC 435 00:14:16,580 --> 00:14:20,320 and AC. Pre-conjuring, after 436 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:21,720 conjuring. That's that's kind 437 00:14:20,380 --> 00:14:24,800 of what I, that's kind of 438 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:24,800 actually doing it. 439 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,800 Yeah. It's a natural timeline 440 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,800 anyway. In a way. 441 00:14:31,340 --> 00:14:35,240 Alright. So, so you you've got 442 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,840 a college, you started your 443 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:38,640 first group and stuff. Um what 444 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:40,040 are you doing now? Like, uh 445 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,720 what's going on with yourself 446 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,180 now? So, I've been involved 447 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:46,780 lately with a lot of different 448 00:14:44,260 --> 00:14:48,020 um podcasts. I haven't really 449 00:14:46,860 --> 00:14:49,520 been able to go on a lot of 450 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,620 investigations as I was hoping 451 00:14:49,580 --> 00:14:52,420 to this year although I I went 452 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:54,100 on a few earlier this year but 453 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:56,900 I've been, for the most part, 454 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,660 going on a lot of podcasts. 455 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,100 I've done some with Chris uh 456 00:14:58,740 --> 00:15:01,460 which I've been, you know, very 457 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,100 fortunate to have got to know 458 00:15:01,540 --> 00:15:05,000 he's a good friend of mine now. 459 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,100 Um as. Yeah. Chris, I won't 460 00:15:05,060 --> 00:15:09,100 even have to even remind you 461 00:15:07,180 --> 00:15:10,380 but um I'm part of a uh network 462 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:11,980 that I also help put together. 463 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,580 It's called the Things Network 464 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,140 which uh. Okay. Things stands 465 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,680 for the Hoosiers Investigative 466 00:15:16,220 --> 00:15:20,220 New Haven Ghost Society. Now, 467 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:23,060 that's in Indiana but I'm from 468 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:27,040 the city of Chicago. The actual 469 00:15:25,700 --> 00:15:28,500 network itself is also based on 470 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:30,040 a real paranormal group which 471 00:15:28,580 --> 00:15:32,480 now I'm a part of. That's called 472 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:34,740 the Things Ghost Society. We 473 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:36,080 have seven chapters as right 474 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:37,580 now, like I said, being here in 475 00:15:36,140 --> 00:15:40,480 Chicago, I run the Illinois 476 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,980 chapter. We also got chapters. 477 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,480 Obviously, you got the mother 478 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:45,520 chapter in Indiana but we also 479 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,600 got chapters in Wisconsin, in 480 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Missouri, Colorado, and um 481 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:51,900 we're going to soon have a 482 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:55,600 three-chapter chapter. We also 483 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,900 got three European chapters, 484 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,340 one in the UK, Ireland, and 485 00:15:57,980 --> 00:16:01,240 Netherlands. That's amazing, 486 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,840 man. That that's that's great. 487 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,320 All of you working together to 488 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,020 try to uh you know, find out 489 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:08,620 what happens to us after we 490 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,220 pass on. You know, that I I 491 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,820 think that's excellent, man. 492 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,520 That's uh where can they that 493 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,120 you have a YouTube channel or 494 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:17,720 TikTok or where can we see some 495 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,760 of their stuff? Uh you can find 496 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,800 us. I mean, obviously, if you 497 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,180 don't know, I have a YouTube 498 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,120 channel but I don't really put 499 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,220 much paranormal stuff. I I 500 00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:27,720 actually have something else 501 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,020 that I do that's uh worth 502 00:16:27,780 --> 00:16:30,080 bringing up and I'll bring that 503 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,660 up in a second but you can just 504 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,120 basically find me on Facebook 505 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,760 but as far as uh Things Network, 506 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:37,360 we're on several different 507 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:40,800 platforms. We're on Facebook, 508 00:16:37,420 --> 00:16:44,000 YouTube, Twitter, Twitch, 509 00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:45,600 LinkedIn. Um we just also uh we 510 00:16:44,060 --> 00:16:47,800 just also recently got a uh oh 511 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:49,300 uh sorry, I almost lost my 512 00:16:47,860 --> 00:16:50,600 train of thought. We're also on 513 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,320 Facebook and Twitter and 514 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:57,720 Rumble. Nice, nice. Wow. Nice. 515 00:16:54,380 --> 00:17:00,020 That's awesome, man. Um yeah. 516 00:16:57,780 --> 00:17:02,120 So, uh you're going to say uh I 517 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,820 I I think I know where you're 518 00:17:02,180 --> 00:17:07,620 going. You started hunting uh 519 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,920 cryptids? Yeah, I've also not 520 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:11,600 very, I mean, not very frequently 521 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,160 but I but when I've been given 522 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:15,360 the chance, I've actually went 523 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,000 to, I've actually gone to uh 524 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,500 the uh the uh the uh uh uh um 525 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,740 cool. I've I've among the 526 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,440 cryptids I've been in II've I've 527 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,940 I've investigated is um my very 528 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:30,340 first one was probably the 529 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,340 point pleasant West Virginia 530 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:36,440 and um yeah, Mothman uh which 531 00:17:34,420 --> 00:17:38,980 is also one of my favorite 532 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,980 cryptids. Um we've I've also 533 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,560 investigated the uh beast of 534 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,820 Bray Road in Elkhorn, Wisconsin 535 00:17:42,620 --> 00:17:45,420 which I'm actually going to be 536 00:17:45,420 --> 00:17:49,400 talking about with the guy whose 537 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:50,900 name is Joe uh we're actually 538 00:17:49,460 --> 00:17:52,900 planting a Bray Road beast on 539 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,400 real soon which funny enough, 540 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,180 although I'm in the Chicago 541 00:17:54,460 --> 00:17:58,300 area, uh Elkhorn where Bray 542 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,540 Road is located is just an hour 543 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:01,340 north of me. So, I'm not even 544 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,840 that far from it. Oh, wow. Yeah, 545 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,440 that's cool, man. I I've done 546 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,620 a thing. Joe. Sorry, what, 547 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,360 Chris? Insane Joe? Yeah, that's 548 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,360 right. He uh I actually have 549 00:18:11,420 --> 00:18:14,620 this broadcasting on uh my 550 00:18:14,620 --> 00:18:17,520 personal page. I mean, comments 551 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,060 and comments don't show up from 552 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,560 my personal page but Joe was. 553 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:23,200 Yeah, that's the stream yard. 554 00:18:21,620 --> 00:18:24,660 They they don't allow the 555 00:18:23,260 --> 00:18:26,560 comments from personal pages for 556 00:18:24,740 --> 00:18:28,040 some reason. I don't know. Well, 557 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,240 first off, I just want to say 558 00:18:28,100 --> 00:18:30,640 hello to everyone that's tuned 559 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:32,540 in from my side. So, uh but 560 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:35,580 yeah, he was. Yeah. Hello. 561 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,640 Hello. There's my wife. My wife 562 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:41,640 just tuned in. Hi, Des. Hi, 563 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:43,180 Des. We gotta behave now. Like 564 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:46,540 I said, this is the the most 565 00:18:44,780 --> 00:18:48,740 recent or newest edition that 566 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:50,220 I've gone on so far. This is 567 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:51,920 one you guys probably may never 568 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,820 heard of. I mean, maybe a half 569 00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:55,380 as I would probably say it's a 570 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,760 funny name but the story on 571 00:18:55,460 --> 00:19:00,960 these creatures are creepy as 572 00:18:57,820 --> 00:19:03,400 hell. The melon heads. I've 573 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:05,400 heard of them. Yeah. Melon 574 00:19:03,460 --> 00:19:07,100 heads like like a watermelon 575 00:19:05,460 --> 00:19:09,100 head, little body or something. 576 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,900 They're they're described as 577 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:15,040 like a large bulbous heads that 578 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:16,340 occasionally emerge when they're 579 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:19,720 hiding places to attack people. 580 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:21,280 What? I never heard of those. 581 00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:23,260 What? What do you mean by those 582 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:25,020 at? So, I'll I'll give a quick 583 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:28,220 story about that. So, cuz they 584 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:31,260 in spite of the considered part 585 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:33,160 of the cryptic category, they 586 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,260 were originally said to be 587 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,460 either kids who were either 588 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:39,040 deformed or suffered 589 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,640 from the disease and there are 590 00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:44,240 so many different versions of 591 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,800 the melon heads that you know, 592 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:47,380 there's just too many of them 593 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,780 but two of them start to 594 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:52,140 however stand out the most and 595 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,920 this starts in Ohio. Uh both of 596 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:55,780 them star on the scariest 597 00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:57,380 doctor by the name of Doctor 598 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,380 Crow. The first version goes is 599 00:19:57,460 --> 00:20:00,960 that he was he was either 600 00:19:59,460 --> 00:20:02,960 working for the government and 601 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:04,460 was either experiment was 602 00:20:03,020 --> 00:20:05,960 experimenting with with 603 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,460 experimenting with radiation, 604 00:20:07,460 --> 00:20:11,040 radiation, radiation, radiation 605 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,740 or during the late eighteen, 606 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:14,100 early nineteen hundreds or even 607 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,180 some cases working during either 608 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:18,340 World War one or two or during 609 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,420 the depression era and again, 610 00:20:18,420 --> 00:20:23,020 was exposed to a lot of 611 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,680 radiation and his family, you 612 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,380 know, his children were all 613 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,980 born mutated. His wife became 614 00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:29,620 very ill. The government did a 615 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:30,960 cover up, gave him this nice 616 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,200 piece of land out in Chardon 617 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:33,260 and you know, say, hey, you 618 00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:36,360 know, please, please keep quiet 619 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:40,500 and a little bit more sinister 620 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,200 but it's also the most notorious 621 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:45,180 version of it though. Doctor 622 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,280 Crow again but this time he was 623 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,380 running an orphanage or a 624 00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:51,720 hospital and unfortunately he 625 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,380 was experimenting on children. 626 00:20:51,780 --> 00:20:54,980 Yeah, I mean like what's 627 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,460 hydrocephalus? I mean, these 628 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:59,260 were vicious experiments, 629 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,260 atrocities and unlike unlike 630 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,360 today, like, you know, we're 631 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,900 kids are sent to orphanages or 632 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:05,660 anything like that where every 633 00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:08,760 day they're in the right 634 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,100 conditions. Back then, they 635 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,740 didn't do that. So, nobody knew 636 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,000 what was going on those days. 637 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,600 So, these are again, vicious 638 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:17,100 experiments, atrocities. Some 639 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,600 of these kids died but the ones 640 00:21:17,180 --> 00:21:20,780 who survived, he ended up 641 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:23,140 creating a a bunch or a tribe 642 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,520 if you will of these kids that 643 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:27,020 became like mutated or feral, 644 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:29,580 you know, like razor sharp teeth 645 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,080 and stuff but eventually, 646 00:21:29,660 --> 00:21:33,520 eventually, the story goes that 647 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,420 these creatures, these these 648 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:38,540 creatures are sent to live on 649 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:40,840 the doctor and supposedly, they 650 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,440 we don't know for sure but not 651 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,480 sure if they did attack the 652 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:46,440 doctor but not sure if he 653 00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:48,380 actually survived or not but 654 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,940 what we do know is that 655 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,320 supposedly, after they they 656 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:53,720 killed them, they set the 657 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:57,520 entire orphanage on fire and 658 00:21:53,780 --> 00:22:00,060 flood off. So, sorry guys. As 659 00:21:57,580 --> 00:22:01,360 a result, as a result of this, 660 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,360 these creatures now are said to 661 00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:03,360 live in these woods and you're 662 00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:04,560 thinking, well, how could they 663 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,660 survive? How could they survive? 664 00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:10,500 Yeah. It said, these creatures 665 00:22:08,740 --> 00:22:13,000 are now said to be even more 666 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,600 deformed because they've either 667 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,000 most of the breeding now it's 668 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,580 because of the results of 669 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,580 cannibalism and inbreeding. So, 670 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,720 they're like your backwoods, 671 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,920 woods, mutants almost. So, as 672 00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:26,720 a result, and they're not just 673 00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:29,420 in Ohio. They're not just seen 674 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:31,760 in Ohio. I mean, as some of 675 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,360 these individuals decided to 676 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,500 live in Ohio, they're away from 677 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,060 there and as a result, not only 678 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,440 we still be getting signs of 679 00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:41,440 these creatures in Ohio to this 680 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:43,000 day but we also began getting 681 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:46,380 signs of these creatures from 682 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:48,120 the 1940s on in Michigan, 683 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:52,120 Florida, Maine, North Carolina 684 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:54,280 and Connecticut especially. 685 00:22:52,180 --> 00:22:55,920 That's crazy, man and and the 686 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,720 way the population's growing, 687 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:58,920 you know, we're kind of 688 00:22:57,780 --> 00:23:00,220 limiting their area. We're 689 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:02,360 growing more and more into 690 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:05,920 the area. I want to see some 691 00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:07,420 footage. I don't know. Is there 692 00:23:05,980 --> 00:23:10,220 is there any footage out there 693 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,320 of of you see that you know of 694 00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:14,360 that can show us a melon head? 695 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,600 Unfortunately, no, we did try 696 00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:18,300 going out to the road that that 697 00:23:16,660 --> 00:23:21,300 they lived on which was it was 698 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:23,200 it's off. It's in Kirtland, 699 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:25,340 Ohio off Wisner Road which is 700 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,800 like a suburb of Cleveland. We 701 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,340 tried going down the road but 702 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,880 turns out part of the the the 703 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,880 bridge was just a bridge that 704 00:23:33,340 --> 00:23:38,780 people lost their estimating. 705 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:40,880 It turned out. Anyways. Well, 706 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,520 it turned out there was a bridge 707 00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:44,680 that once existed that was 708 00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:46,180 easily accessible. It turned 709 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,780 out the bridge got washed out 710 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:49,220 in a flood. So, it was very 711 00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:50,920 dangerous to go out to that 712 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,900 area. So, we couldn't, this was 713 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,600 as close as what we got but I, 714 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,100 we were watching though just to 715 00:23:54,660 --> 00:23:57,600 see if there were any melon 716 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,660 heads but we didn't see anything 717 00:23:57,660 --> 00:23:59,860 but from what I've heard about 718 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:00,700 that sounds like the beginning 719 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:05,500 of the movie. Yeah. Well, I 720 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:06,700 even believe that a movie like 721 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,240 the Hills Have Eyes may have 722 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,700 even gotten the basis from that 723 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,200 because even though there's no 724 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,300 footage or video, at least as 725 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,740 far as we know, the classic 726 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:16,280 melon head sighting is said to 727 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,440 be smallish about three to four 728 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:21,540 feet tall, pale, large headed, 729 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,020 hairless, individual, it makes 730 00:24:21,620 --> 00:24:24,420 said to make animalistic type 731 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,020 sounds in order to communicate 732 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,620 with each other. They have they 733 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:33,160 have sharp teeth, sharp teeth, 734 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:35,460 sharp teeth, bite had two legs, 735 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,060 dirty clothing, clothing, 736 00:24:35,540 --> 00:24:39,040 usually stained with blood or 737 00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:40,700 other substances. They're said 738 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:42,500 to be extremely territorial 739 00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:43,580 and cannibalistic and they 740 00:24:42,580 --> 00:24:44,980 usually only come out at night 741 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,580 but you know, a better way to 742 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,040 describe them is that I think 743 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,140 they probably would look a lot 744 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:51,580 like what we would think 745 00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:53,580 aliens look like. True. Yeah, 746 00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:55,460 very true. Interesting. Or 747 00:24:55,460 --> 00:25:00,660 they're said to be a lot more 748 00:24:57,260 --> 00:25:02,220 zealous too and it said it said 749 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,900 to they like to watch cars go 750 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:06,200 by, you know, they saw them 751 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,860 first, watching them first, 752 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:09,460 chasing or approaching a melon 753 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:12,340 head will usually cause them to 754 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:13,840 run in both cases. I don't know 755 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,180 if they're like crawlers. That's 756 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:18,380 a good question. It's it could 757 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,880 be but it usually caused them to 758 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,780 run in both cases when they when 759 00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:23,380 they're approached but many 760 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,780 people have been chased out 761 00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:27,120 of the woods by a car or a 762 00:25:26,260 --> 00:25:29,820 plane. They've never actually 763 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,620 seen a melon head chasing them. 764 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,100 What gets them to drive out to 765 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:34,660 the area, get out of the car, 766 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,260 explore the woods is what they 767 00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:37,700 believe to be a melon head. 768 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:39,240 Well, we'll get chasing them out 769 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,700 of the woods back into the car 770 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:44,200 is anyone's guess. Yeah, right? 771 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:46,200 It's not the ghosts. 772 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,540 Oh, quit, quit. And then take 773 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:53,280 off. Yeah. You know, like the 774 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,640 the the the the going on a 775 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,240 you know, searching for the 776 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,820 Melonheads or Bigfoot. What's 777 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,480 your go-to equipment that you 778 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,220 would bring? Cuz I know I'd 779 00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:06,820 bring a shotgun with some 780 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,760 slugs in there. Right? Well, 781 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,620 you know, I'm not gonna lie. I 782 00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:12,120 mean, the I probably would wanna 783 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,420 bring something like that like 784 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,800 because again, you know, when 785 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:17,660 we we were gonna go at night, 786 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:19,500 originally to the Melonhead 787 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,960 territory and I have to be 788 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,600 honest with you. I mean, unlike 789 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Bigfoot, I'm not gonna be kind 790 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,540 of nervous about because these 791 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,040 creatures are not like the 792 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,140 other cryptids out there. You 793 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,540 know, again, they're said to be 794 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,100 cannibalistic and stuff and I 795 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,800 even, I even told my friend who 796 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:36,240 I was with. I was like, okay, 797 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,040 if we're gonna go out to these 798 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:40,480 woods, we really need to stay 799 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,980 on the path cuz those woods, 800 00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:43,620 they are probably booby trapped 801 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120 or something like that. Right? 802 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,520 We didn't, it didn't matter. We 803 00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:50,420 didn't get to go but um I think 804 00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:51,920 the I think the most scariest 805 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,400 thing about Bigfoot and the 806 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:56,640 Mothman and stuff is that it 807 00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:57,940 wouldn't now that you heard the 808 00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:59,400 story, you can clearly tell 809 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,940 even even if you had some kind 810 00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:02,900 of encounter with them, you 811 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,480 could tell that they weren't 812 00:27:02,980 --> 00:27:06,040 really monsters to begin with. 813 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:07,940 You know, if if you saw one of 814 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:09,440 them, even under under their 815 00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:10,920 deformities, you could still 816 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,320 tell that at some point, you 817 00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:15,880 know, they were human and were 818 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:18,620 driven underground and 819 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,620 cannibalism. So, it's uh but I 820 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:24,060 think it's a great equipment. 821 00:27:22,660 --> 00:27:26,740 Definitely a camera, of course. 822 00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:28,400 Yeah, right. Yeah. Camera, 823 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,540 recorder. Film my own death. 824 00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:33,040 Yeah. It'd be just like the 825 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,540 Blair Witch Project. Right. So, 826 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:36,980 me and Jonathan will come out 827 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,040 there and you can bring Don and 828 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,520 Kate and you and us too and 829 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,520 we'll go. 830 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:47,820 I tell you what, I'm going like 831 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:50,420 Deadpool. I got two katanas and 832 00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:56,540 I got my roach crusher right 833 00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:56,540 here, Nick. Still, my niece. 834 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,300 No, that's that's what I think 835 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,940 like like all these people get 836 00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:06,440 this footage of the like big 837 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,380 foot and stuff. I why wouldn't 838 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,840 somebody just you know, I'm 839 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,880 sure there's many of them just 840 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,380 kill one and prove us prove 841 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:15,380 everybody wrong, you know, I 842 00:28:13,460 --> 00:28:17,360 don't know. And I know the ones 843 00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:18,360 I quote have brought back at 844 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:19,360 least what I've heard. They 845 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,260 don't have to be like, oh, 846 00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:25,740 giant bear or during one of 847 00:28:24,340 --> 00:28:27,100 those big foot hunts that we 848 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,240 did and and this was actually 849 00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:29,600 something I'm glad we did 850 00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:32,380 during this time of the year. 851 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,880 It was about four years ago. We 852 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,340 invest, it was down in central 853 00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:36,340 Illinois that we went. 854 00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:37,320 Supposedly, this was an area 855 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:38,420 where there were big foot 856 00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:39,820 signs. I mean, people always 857 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280 think it's just the Pacific 858 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Northwest or the South. In 859 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,160 reality, it's not. Well, yes, 860 00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:45,560 it's true. That's where most of 861 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:46,920 the signs come from. It's not 862 00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:47,800 just those areas. It's pretty 863 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520 much all of the places that 864 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,360 we went as frequent of course. 865 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,200 And Illinois, believe it or 866 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:56,800 not, is is no exception. So, we 867 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:58,240 went in the beginning of 868 00:28:56,860 --> 00:28:59,600 January. This was in fact, one 869 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,600 of my very few investigations I 870 00:28:59,660 --> 00:29:03,740 did just before COVID-19 hit. 871 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,540 This was like January of 872 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,940 twenty-twenty. But I think it 873 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,240 was a perfect time that we went 874 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,780 because it was the middle of 875 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,080 winter. Thankfully, it wasn't 876 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,220 too cold. But you know, people 877 00:29:13,140 --> 00:29:15,180 would think, well, you don't 878 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,720 want to investigate when it's 879 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,440 cold. It's one of the most 880 00:29:18,180 --> 00:29:21,220 perfect times because if you're 881 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,320 going on a cryptid hunt during 882 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,860 the middle of winter when 883 00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:25,720 there's all this snow around, 884 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160 you probably will have a better 885 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,720 chance like even if it was 886 00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:30,320 whether it's a footprint or if 887 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,020 you find like a hair sample or 888 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,500 something, it would be far more 889 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,700 easier to find during the 890 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360 winter than you can during the 891 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,760 summer. Of course, also, you 892 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,640 don't have to worry about bugs 893 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,800 or anything like that. So, 894 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,100 although our attempts of trying 895 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640 to find any evidence was 896 00:29:43,180 --> 00:29:46,280 unsuccessful, what I did do 897 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,260 was I had a whole bunch of 898 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,100 visitors with us was I get I 899 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,100 had a whole bunch of little zip 900 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,700 zip zip bags, you know, little 901 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,160 bags basically and a lot of 902 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,060 people were asking, well, what 903 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,360 are these for? I said, in case 904 00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:01,140 if you guys find any hair 905 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,600 samples, put them in the put 906 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200 them in the bag. So, that way, 907 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,280 we can get them to the lab and 908 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,080 get them tested. But again, not 909 00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:10,380 not surprisingly, in spite of 910 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:12,080 our attempts, we couldn't find 911 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,020 anything but it was still worth 912 00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:15,480 you know, being on a hunt like 913 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,760 this. Exactly. I mean, you 914 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,360 know, it's it's not a contest 915 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:24,760 here. You know, if we if we 916 00:30:22,420 --> 00:30:26,320 find anything great, if not, at 917 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:27,900 least we tried but there was 918 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400 something fun about this event 919 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,200 that he didn't take pardon 920 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:33,100 unfortunately but the same 921 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:34,760 event that we had with Bigfoot. 922 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,100 I mean, with this Bigfoot event, 923 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,500 we actually had Bobo from 924 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,900 fighting Bigfoot with us which 925 00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:42,980 he did a presentation. Great 926 00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:44,980 guy by the way. Yeah. Like 927 00:30:44,980 --> 00:30:48,960 that. Yeah. He's a great guy. 928 00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:50,420 No, he's it seems like a cool 929 00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:51,820 guy and I I was just thinking 930 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,420 like another advantage, you 931 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,960 know, we always we always hear 932 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,700 Bigfoot having darker hair or 933 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:59,500 reddish hair and you know, with 934 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,000 the white background with it 935 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,840 snowing, it would stand out 936 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:04,540 more plus there's not as many 937 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:06,400 leaves on the trees. So, the 938 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,900 sun sun can come through and I 939 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,540 I I think you'd have a bit 940 00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:12,340 better chance of seeing one in 941 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,920 the winter time. You know what 942 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,880 I mean? I agree with you on that. 943 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,420 I think during the winter, you 944 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:22,080 have a much better chance of 945 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,680 seeing someone because you know, 946 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,120 if it's like you said, dark 947 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,120 colored, it would contrast 948 00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:27,260 against the white background 949 00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:29,820 with all the snow and stuff 950 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,220 like that. In fact, I don't know 951 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,800 if you know about this Chris 952 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:34,200 because this happened in 953 00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:35,960 Colorado and this in fact, it 954 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:38,400 was featured on an episode of 955 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,900 finding Bigfoot. There, 956 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:40,840 everybody always says that 957 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,040 supposedly like the earliest 958 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,480 footage of Bigfoot was the 959 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,360 first time. That's not 960 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,460 actually true. There is an 961 00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:50,920 older piece of film and you 962 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,760 can really see this too 963 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,300 because this happened on a 964 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:57,300 mountainside with snow. This 965 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,360 was filmed. I don't know 966 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,500 exactly where but it was filmed 967 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,900 somewhere in Colorado in 1962 968 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,200 and they and the and the guy 969 00:32:03,980 --> 00:32:06,340 who filmed it, he's passed away 970 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,840 now. I mean, I think he's been 971 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,940 gone now for several years but 972 00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:11,620 the finding Bigfoot team, I 973 00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:13,020 they did interview his son and 974 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:15,960 they were in a small group or 975 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:17,920 something like that. Now, the 976 00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:19,400 footage you see, you can 977 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,100 definitely see a dark haired 978 00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:22,360 figure on the side of the 979 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,660 mountain with all the snow and 980 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:24,660 although the footage is in 981 00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:25,660 black and white because you 982 00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:27,140 know, a lot of people still had 983 00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:29,340 black and white cameras at that 984 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,700 time. Yes. It didn't matter 985 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,980 because you can still see this 986 00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:35,440 dark shape. It looks like it's 987 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,940 also leaping over, you know, a 988 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:40,040 a creek or something like that. 989 00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:41,080 It's and to me, just like the 990 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,580 Patterson Gimlin film, I mean, 991 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:45,560 it's it's really surprising. 992 00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:46,900 I'm really surprised it's not 993 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:49,500 gotten more attention than it 994 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,700 should have. Right. Right. 995 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,540 Yeah. I think Colorado's 996 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,100 hotspot is up near Bailey, 997 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,500 Colorado. Yeah. Because there's 998 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,980 a museum up there, a Bigfoot 999 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:04,740 Museum. We went into one time 1000 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:08,120 and it was it was pretty 1001 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,720 interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it 1002 00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:12,520 really is because I I don't 1003 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,460 know if it's funny enough. I 1004 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,800 know Breckenridge also has got 1005 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,360 another sighting too because 1006 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:20,960 you guys remember the show 1007 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:23,400 Monster Quest, right? From the 1008 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,540 history. Yeah. So, they did an 1009 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:26,640 episode on basically what's 1010 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240 considered Colorado's version of 1011 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:29,740 Bigfoot because if you look at, 1012 00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,840 you know, different states, I 1013 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,240 mean, like obviously in the 1014 00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,780 Pacific Northwest, you know, 1015 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,480 it's usually just like Bigfoot 1016 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680 or Sasquatch but when you look 1017 00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:37,940 at other individual states or 1018 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:39,720 whatever, they usually will 1019 00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:41,220 have a name for that 1020 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:44,160 particular one. Oh, I see. 1021 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Oh, I see. One for Colorado and 1022 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:46,700 this is the one they did on 1023 00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:49,260 Monster Quest was the uh 1024 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,660 Colorado Snowbeast. Okay. Yeah. 1025 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,940 Yeah. I think they made a 1026 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:55,840 snowman. Yeah. I think they 1027 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,240 made a film about it in fact 1028 00:33:55,900 --> 00:34:00,140 back in the late 70s like a TV 1029 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:01,240 movie and I think it's on the 1030 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,380 snowbeast but what's 1031 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:04,140 interesting about these sightings 1032 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,740 from what I remember was they 1033 00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:07,220 they definitely go back a long 1034 00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:13,220 time. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I I've 1035 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:14,580 I've I believe that. I mean, 1036 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,220 they didn't have cameras then. 1037 00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:18,260 All they could do is like try 1038 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,320 to draw it, you know, from from 1039 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,200 memory or you know, or shoot 1040 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,660 it. I mean, yeah, right. You 1041 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:28,240 know, that's pretty much all 1042 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:30,200 they can do. So, so what's the 1043 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,640 future hold for you, man? What 1044 00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:32,700 what what do you want to do? I 1045 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:34,100 know you got all these podcasts 1046 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:36,040 and everything going. You say 1047 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,400 you're going to do it. What what 1048 00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:40,940 what's your dream, man? What do 1049 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,480 you want to accomplish in the 1050 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,040 next next couple of years? Well, 1051 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:46,180 one thing is and this is 1052 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,380 something I've been trying to 1053 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,980 do for years is I I definitely 1054 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,480 would like to get international 1055 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,620 and start going to other 1056 00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:53,020 countries. I mean, there's a 1057 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,480 lot of places here in the United 1058 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,720 States like including other 1059 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,180 states I haven't gone to that I 1060 00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:58,660 really want to investigate but 1061 00:34:57,260 --> 00:35:00,120 I definitely really want to get 1062 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,460 out more often. I mean, try to 1063 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,920 get out more and try to go on 1064 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,600 more trips to Europe or Asia. 1065 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,400 My my siblings, however, they've 1066 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:09,760 gotten to have the opportunity 1067 00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:11,360 to go to different countries in 1068 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,840 Europe but not myself yet. So, 1069 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,340 as you can imagine, I'm pretty 1070 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,440 jealous about that. It's still 1071 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,240 mad about even a decade later. 1072 00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:21,480 Did they go like cryptid or 1073 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,720 ghost hunting when they went 1074 00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:24,540 over there or did they just go 1075 00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:26,080 for I would go for probably 1076 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:28,120 almost anything although. Yeah. 1077 00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:30,120 I can certainly promise you 1078 00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:32,220 guys that say for example, now 1079 00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:35,200 that we've got a chance to 1080 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,660 investigate it because again, I 1081 00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:38,460 was still young at the time was 1082 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:40,160 we did go down to Mexico and 1083 00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:41,500 from what I've heard is that, 1084 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,100 yes, there's a lot of haunted 1085 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,580 locations throughout Mexico. 1086 00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:46,340 Yeah. But Mexico along with the 1087 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,780 rest of Central and South 1088 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,640 America seem to have is what I 1089 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,940 would consider the most UFO and 1090 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,380 alien encounter counters in any 1091 00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:56,580 other part of the world. I mean, 1092 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,620 I usually say Mexico, Central, 1093 00:35:56,660 --> 00:36:01,120 and South America are the UFO 1094 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,000 encounters. Billy Carson talks 1095 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:06,400 about, I don't know if you know 1096 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:08,140 who he is, but he talks a lot 1097 00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:10,840 about the Egyptian pyramids and 1098 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,340 the Anunnaki and and he was 1099 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:14,100 saying about how there's 1100 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,080 pyramids in in South America 1101 00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:18,540 that are older than the 1102 00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:20,440 Egyptian ones. Absolutely. I 1103 00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:22,120 I think there's there is just 1104 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,680 so many other places out there 1105 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,480 that and and this is actually 1106 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:27,860 what's what I do with one of my 1107 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,920 podcasts that I run which 1108 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,020 obviously as you can see from 1109 00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:35,240 the video that's just hosted by 1110 00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:36,640 myself and part of what I do 1111 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,160 with my show and it's very 1112 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,600 unique because there's not very 1113 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,500 many other paranormal podcasts 1114 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:43,040 to do this is I have 1115 00:36:41,580 --> 00:36:44,880 presentations I deliver at 1116 00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,580 different locations. Sometimes 1117 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:47,940 I'll do like historic events as 1118 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,620 well but it's usually on 1119 00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:51,920 different locations but a lot 1120 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,180 of the places that I that I 1121 00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:55,960 present are places that are not 1122 00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:57,760 really well known or really get 1123 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,860 to be well known. It surprises 1124 00:36:59,660 --> 00:37:03,060 a lot of people because you 1125 00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:05,200 know, you look at if you look 1126 00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:06,840 at a lot of the paranormal like 1127 00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:08,740 TV shows or even some of the 1128 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,340 podcasts in the last 10, 15, 1129 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,780 20 years, a lot of times, it's 1130 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,540 always the same places or 1131 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,080 whatever or if there were other 1132 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,720 places like from 20 years ago, 1133 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:19,280 they don't they don't 1134 00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:20,980 investigate them anymore. So, 1135 00:37:19,340 --> 00:37:22,680 my job obviously is to try to 1136 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,220 really, I I mean, yeah, I I 1137 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,960 show some of those famous 1138 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,740 places but more of the lesser 1139 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:31,240 known places like get people to 1140 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,200 know what these places are. 1141 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,780 They're like, oh, wow, how do 1142 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,240 we not know about this? You 1143 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,840 know? Yeah. Something like the, 1144 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:38,540 you know, very, it's it's 1145 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,040 definitely well worth, you 1146 00:37:38,620 --> 00:37:41,520 know, putting them together. 1147 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:45,020 What's the place we all have in 1148 00:37:41,580 --> 00:37:47,420 common? Yeah. Yeah, the Abbey. 1149 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,320 Uh so the Nick files, what what 1150 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,860 day is it on? What what time 1151 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,500 and is it on the Things Network 1152 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,660 or? It's not only just on the 1153 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:58,760 Things Networks because because 1154 00:37:55,860 --> 00:38:00,440 of the show being so different 1155 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,940 compared to you know, to other 1156 00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:05,640 podcasts like this, my show is 1157 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,080 actually attracted the the 1158 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,980 attention of other networks and 1159 00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:10,440 they say, I like, you know, we 1160 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,020 want to get the show onto our 1161 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,540 network and there are some 1162 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,380 networks of course that I also 1163 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:18,560 approached of bringing my show 1164 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,060 on to theirs too. I know a lot 1165 00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:21,520 of invest and I'm not trying to 1166 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,620 obviously be like one of those 1167 00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:23,620 invest gears that's, you know, 1168 00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:26,000 I'm not trying to be like, I'm 1169 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:26,760 not trying to be like, I'm not 1170 00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:30,240 like that at all. I'm not like 1171 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,600 Zach. Yeah, not like Zach. But 1172 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:33,540 you know, the reason, but the 1173 00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:35,040 reason why I bring my show onto 1174 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,940 some of these networks however 1175 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:38,480 is, you know, unlike Things 1176 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,640 Network is maybe some of the 1177 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:41,540 others where we know they have 1178 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,420 an active schedule or you know, 1179 00:38:41,620 --> 00:38:44,620 active schedule. There's some 1180 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,780 other paranormal networks out 1181 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,980 there that don't have as many 1182 00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:49,620 shows. So, the way I, so, by 1183 00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:51,560 bringing my show, it's basically 1184 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,020 more or less to benefit the 1185 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:58,300 network at that hour. So, about 1186 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,860 eight different networks now but 1187 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,460 it was to answer your question. 1188 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,860 I do my show on Wednesday 1189 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,740 afternoons at uh 430 and 1190 00:39:04,940 --> 00:39:11,040 Central Time. Yes. 430 PM 1191 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,840 Central Standard Time. Okay. 1192 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,340 Okay. That's awesome. That's 1193 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:16,640 why I'm going to get you out for 1194 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,740 sure. Hell yeah. It's a good 1195 00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,840 job. You did do the Abbey, 1196 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:20,820 right, Nick? Yeah, I did. You 1197 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,820 went out there. That's you. 1198 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:24,860 Yeah. I've done something new 1199 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,260 with my show. In addition to 1200 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,860 locations that I present that I 1201 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,300 have a whole list on. I've also 1202 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,800 been uh I thought this would 1203 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,240 make it even fun for everybody, 1204 00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:37,840 you know, like whenever I 1205 00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:39,300 present them is what especially 1206 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,680 if we got like an invest if 1207 00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:44,780 either myself or a team member 1208 00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:46,240 or even a paranormal group 1209 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,240 outside of the network have an 1210 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,640 investigation coming up but 1211 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680 they want to know about the 1212 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,080 location and they say, hey, any 1213 00:39:53,740 --> 00:39:56,620 possibility you could present 1214 00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:59,120 this location for us? We got an 1215 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,680 investigation. Basically, kind 1216 00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:02,580 of like basically kind of like 1217 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,660 that as a precursor for the 1218 00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:06,160 investigation. Now, you know, 1219 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,620 Jonathan. Well, it's awesome 1220 00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:09,560 that you do that. That that's 1221 00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,200 like para unity, you know? It's 1222 00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:12,800 like you're wanting to help 1223 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:14,260 them, you know, figure out what 1224 00:40:12,860 --> 00:40:15,360 happened. I was going to say 1225 00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:16,900 that go hand in hand with the 1226 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,400 global ghost hunt thing like 1227 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,100 somebody goes to, I don't know, 1228 00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,680 the ghost hunt thing and they 1229 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,820 investigate it and like show 1230 00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:26,520 the history and then the people 1231 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,020 could invest. You know what I 1232 00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:29,480 mean, Jonathan? Yeah. I 1233 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,980 actually have a banner too on 1234 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,660 in regards to peri unity. So, 1235 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:34,020 you know, I'm I'm I know there's 1236 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,520 a lot of others out there who 1237 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,100 don't believe it but I'm I'm a 1238 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,600 huge supporter. We're huge 1239 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,100 fans of it here too. We've 1240 00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:41,560 reported so, you know, some 1241 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,460 people say it doesn't exist but 1242 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,060 I still believe there's it does 1243 00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:47,000 exist in some form. So, yeah, 1244 00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:49,000 by doing something like that is 1245 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,120 like a lot of many secrets, 1246 00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:53,440 man. Like, if I if I do 1247 00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:54,820 something that gives great 1248 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,880 evidence, I I share it 1249 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,480 immediately. I'm like, try it 1250 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,860 out, you know? I'm like, just 1251 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,460 do it, you know, and and I 1252 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:05,000 really got into the in the um 1253 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,400 first years of I starting uh 1254 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:09,000 JK forty-seven paranormal. Like, 1255 00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:10,460 I really focused on the cat 1256 00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:11,960 balls and then all of a sudden, 1257 00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:13,500 cat balls just start taking off. 1258 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,940 I was like, okay, well, hopefully 1259 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,940 it reached out to some people, 1260 00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:21,080 you know, you know, you should 1261 00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:21,840 you guys should have on and 1262 00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:23,320 Chris, you're going to know 1263 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,380 exactly what I'm about to bring 1264 00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:28,380 up is uh Jeremy York because he 1265 00:41:25,460 --> 00:41:29,120 actually, he has uh 1266 00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:30,860 particular, there's another 1267 00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:32,860 device out there that he taught 1268 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,900 me about and now he's been 1269 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,260 spreading it all over the place 1270 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,900 and I've been kind of spreading 1271 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,360 it out for him too is um and 1272 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,860 this it definitely is useful 1273 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,940 for an investigation is the dog 1274 00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:45,940 whistle. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 1275 00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:49,920 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because 1276 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:51,920 of that. No, that really high 1277 00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:54,080 frequency. I I could see that 1278 00:41:51,980 --> 00:41:55,780 working. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, 1279 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,280 the the dog whistle has really 1280 00:41:55,860 --> 00:41:58,960 been quite useful for some of 1281 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,820 the investigations like we've 1282 00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:02,920 gotten some really good 1283 00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:05,260 responses as a result. Although 1284 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,360 interesting. One piece of 1285 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,660 advice, if you guys ever decide 1286 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,300 to use the dog whistle is uh 1287 00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:11,900 because we had some 1288 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,380 investigators that did it but 1289 00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:19,600 they didn't decide because 1290 00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:21,300 there was no. I promise you. 1291 00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:22,860 You will be sorry because there 1292 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,800 was there was there was a few 1293 00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:26,400 investigators we knew of that 1294 00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:28,300 went to a cemetery after dark. 1295 00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:29,940 They investigated that and they 1296 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,280 had they had a dog. They had a 1297 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,480 dog whistle with them. So, they 1298 00:42:32,340 --> 00:42:36,280 use the dog whistle and oh, 1299 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:37,640 they definitely got responses 1300 00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:39,380 alright but it was not 1301 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,380 paranormal. Out in those boxes 1302 00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:46,420 and they were hearing howls and 1303 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,000 one growls and one I'm they 1304 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,360 just vaulted for the cars. They 1305 00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:52,000 got the hell out of it. Whatever 1306 00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:54,340 use them outside at night. 1307 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:56,340 Trust me. You will be sorry. 1308 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,700 I realize it's the high pitch 1309 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:02,800 but how's that like go with a 1310 00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:05,280 ghost investigation? It's the 1311 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,180 ghost investigations. I mean, 1312 00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:08,920 what's what's the dog whistle? 1313 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,580 Well, what's funny? The first 1314 00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:13,620 time I went to the cemetery, it 1315 00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:15,480 was back at Waverly again. This 1316 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,020 was almost this was this was 1317 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,860 over 10 years after the last 1318 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,560 time I was there and that was 1319 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,100 that was also among well, it 1320 00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:24,500 was the second time I got to 1321 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,000 meet Jeremy in person. So, this 1322 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,860 was when we were really 1323 00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:29,860 starting to work together and 1324 00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:32,000 we used it in the in the body 1325 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:34,400 shoe which was actually a 1326 00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:36,000 really good spot because we 1327 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,780 have we have the entire length 1328 00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:43,340 of the tunnel. I don't know what 1329 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,780 I say. You know, basically 1330 00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:46,340 occupied. So, we have like the 1331 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,020 ramp, right? That goes down in 1332 00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:49,580 the body tunnel. Yeah. Yeah, 1333 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,560 it's almost like a cave almost. 1334 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:56,120 So, uh. Okay. So, we use the 1335 00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:57,760 dog whistle and um we blew it. 1336 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,800 Obviously, at first, all you 1337 00:43:57,820 --> 00:44:00,120 can just hear is that high 1338 00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:03,360 pitch sound from it but then 1339 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,840 after that, we got I don't 1340 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,660 remember if it was actually 1341 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:11,100 the dog whistle responses out 1342 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,600 of the uh well, no, we weren't 1343 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,600 using, we weren't using spirit 1344 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:16,800 boxes that we had cat balls 1345 00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:20,680 too. The cat balls did go off a 1346 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,180 few times and uh we see Jeremy 1347 00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:24,580 would know this better than I 1348 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:26,820 would. We got either. Yeah, 1349 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520 that's fine. We we definitely 1350 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,080 got at least two responses out 1351 00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:32,080 of it. So, I I definitely think 1352 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,560 it's a really useful tool tool 1353 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,460 to use for the death whistle. 1354 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,600 Yeah. I think Jeremy has one 1355 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,200 too. Ever since I saw Ghost 1356 00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:46,660 Busters after like, yeah, I 1357 00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:50,100 want to ask that. I want to try 1358 00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:53,040 that now. Absolutely. That 1359 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,300 thing sounds amazing. So, what's 1360 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:58,280 been your favorite place? What's 1361 00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:59,540 been your favorite place you've 1362 00:44:58,340 --> 00:45:00,780 been? You better say in 1363 00:44:59,620 --> 00:45:02,280 Colorado because you know, you 1364 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,260 know, I've been to a lot of 1365 00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:07,720 places. Well, here's the thing. 1366 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,720 I got a I got a couple 1367 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,100 locations. I don't just have 1368 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,160 one. So, what I'll do though 1369 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,260 and I I've done this with other 1370 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,840 shows is I can give you guys at 1371 00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:16,900 least a top five in the very 1372 00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:18,600 last. Alright, alright, that's 1373 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,240 fair. So, obviously as I told 1374 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,080 you on a moment doubtfully as 1375 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:26,240 Waverly. Uh absolutely. I love 1376 00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:27,820 the Abbey in Colorado. Pres. 1377 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,420 Yeah. Yeah. You you were 1378 00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:36,420 there. I did enjoy that place. 1379 00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:38,160 So, that's where I met him. 1380 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:42,100 Yeah. I'm sure Dennis, Dennis 1381 00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:43,600 put you up to that too. My 1382 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,300 third favorite place would 1383 00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:47,300 probably have to be um we got 1384 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,340 Julie at prison over here. So, 1385 00:45:47,380 --> 00:45:50,940 we got uh which in fact, I'm 1386 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,340 I'm not trying to claim credit. 1387 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,640 I'm actually being honest. I 1388 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,340 was actually one of the very 1389 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:57,620 first. Hey, Charles. Good to 1390 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:58,420 see you. Um. Good to see you 1391 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,820 brother. I was actually one of 1392 00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:02,860 the first to investigate. 1393 00:46:01,260 --> 00:46:04,260 Julie at prison. When they 1394 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,760 opened up the investigations. 1395 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:10,260 It's yours. Gosh, what are the 1396 00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:13,740 what are the last two places? 1397 00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:16,300 Um there's there's this oh uh 1398 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:20,280 on doubt uh OSR, Ohio State 1399 00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:22,240 Reformatory. Right? Yeah. And 1400 00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:23,840 I'm my last one. What's funny? 1401 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,380 It's again, it's not really 1402 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,020 just one location because it's 1403 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,620 multiple locations but I'll 1404 00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:32,460 tell you about Alton, Illinois 1405 00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:33,900 where it's one of the most 1406 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,500 haunted small towns in America. 1407 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,100 Got Mineral Springs Hotel, 1408 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,640 McPike Mansion, the very first 1409 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,540 state prison of Illinois. It's 1410 00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:46,180 it's a fantastic area. Yeah, if 1411 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,940 you ever get the chance, I I 1412 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:50,040 would highly suggest uh the old 1413 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,240 Montana State Prison. That that 1414 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,820 was a fun night. That was a 1415 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,180 really funny night. You know 1416 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,780 what? I was just, I was just 1417 00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:00,700 thinking about the prison. I 1418 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,340 was just thinking about the 1419 00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:03,780 prison. It's funny enough. I I 1420 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,340 looked it up on Wikipedia. 1421 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,240 Obviously, they didn't they 1422 00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:07,140 didn't say anything about it 1423 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,220 being haunted but they still 1424 00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:10,380 talk about the history of the 1425 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,020 prison though and I'm thinking 1426 00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:13,320 given the chance, this would be 1427 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,660 a great place for me to try and 1428 00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:17,420 go and investigate if I'm if I 1429 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,700 might. So, you can you can 1430 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:21,660 investigate there. Um you just 1431 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,100 called a lady uh at the front 1432 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,700 desk and she'll get you in 1433 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,140 contact with them. Uh 600 bucks 1434 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:31,080 and they'll get you a fence 1435 00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:34,020 waiver thing and you they'll 1436 00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:35,880 let you go all night. Uh when 1437 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,380 we went, it was just me and AJ. 1438 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,560 It was just the two of us in 1439 00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:40,160 that whole location for the 1440 00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:42,860 whole night and we got we got 1441 00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:45,060 some good stuff. That's awesome. 1442 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,660 It was a great great 1443 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,760 investigation. Nick, do you have 1444 00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:50,360 that one clip available? That 1445 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,940 I'm going to try to look for 1446 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,680 that real quick. Um yeah, that's 1447 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,080 an amazing clip, JK. Yeah, it 1448 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,180 was a great clip. I'll share it 1449 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,580 then from the show. Uh but what 1450 00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:06,160 I'll do while I'm looking it up 1451 00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:07,660 is um so it was just it was a 1452 00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:09,320 few years ago, just really 1453 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:12,120 three for the most part that I 1454 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,700 all this talk about evidence 1455 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,200 that I've collected, you know, 1456 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,640 like my first ever piece of 1457 00:48:15,260 --> 00:48:18,200 evidence I got. It was three 1458 00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:21,000 years ago. I finally captured 1459 00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:22,540 my very first video evidence 1460 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,100 and you know what? I'll even 1461 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,540 throw in an extra place in my 1462 00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:29,040 house. I'll throw in an extra 1463 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,040 place. My sixth favorite is the 1464 00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:33,280 uh Old Lake County Jail in 1465 00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:34,880 Crowdpoint, Indiana. Alright. 1466 00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:36,740 Alright. So, what we were doing 1467 00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:38,480 that night was we were actually 1468 00:48:36,820 --> 00:48:42,920 trying to film a paranormal 1469 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:44,520 series of of our of our own and 1470 00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:45,760 sorry, I'm still looking for 1471 00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:49,460 right. I'm searching for a 1472 00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:51,100 moment. Oh, you're good. So, 1473 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,160 anyways, um yeah, we were we 1474 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,560 were trying to film a paranormal 1475 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:54,860 series that we were doing. What 1476 00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:57,240 we were doing was obviously a 1477 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,840 lot of people try to come up 1478 00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:00,080 with new ideas for things that 1479 00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:02,080 haven't been done on paranormal 1480 00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:03,840 shows. What we were going to do 1481 00:49:02,140 --> 00:49:06,380 was we were going to have like 1482 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,380 six, five, or six different 1483 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,580 groups at one particular 1484 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,180 location and see what type of 1485 00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:13,660 experiences they got, you know, 1486 00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:14,660 during the investigation. All 1487 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,860 of it, of course, would be 1488 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,820 filmed while they're 1489 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,220 investigating and then kind of 1490 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:20,860 have like a meeting afterwards 1491 00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:22,660 telling me like, okay, what 1492 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,400 what did this group experience? 1493 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,400 What did you guys get the idea? 1494 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:33,400 What? What? Yeah. So, the first 1495 00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:35,400 group that we had, in fact, it 1496 00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:37,400 was it was actually the the 1497 00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:39,400 guys that ran the tours of the 1498 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,400 uh of the jail itself. Funny 1499 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,640 enough, the guy who's in the 1500 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,240 video as you've seen Chris, he 1501 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:48,120 actually used to do the tours 1502 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,520 for Jolie at prison. So, so, 1503 00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:52,760 this was a guy that I already 1504 00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:54,280 knew personally. So, when we 1505 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,180 were filming the tour of the 1506 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,720 prison, of the jail, and it was 1507 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:03,260 me along with someone else who's 1508 00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:04,720 a a a really good friend of mine 1509 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,520 who's actually who's also a 1510 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,200 show host on our network too. 1511 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,700 His name is uh Don Elmi. Now, 1512 00:50:09,260 --> 00:50:12,660 we've got two separate video 1513 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,760 cameras. I brought my own. Don 1514 00:50:12,740 --> 00:50:16,400 was filming one uh was borrowing 1515 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,140 one of Jeremy's cameras. Uh 1516 00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:21,580 night vision once. Wow. In the 1517 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,680 in the footage, they're they're 1518 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:29,080 they're just running just like 1519 00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:30,680 out of nowhere. This huge like 1520 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,460 there's there's like this huge 1521 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,660 shadow, this huge black mess 1522 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:39,600 comes down from the ceiling and 1523 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:42,160 covers the guy's head. And it's 1524 00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:43,700 it's it's the weirdest it's the 1525 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,640 weirdest thing because you know 1526 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,740 when you see paranormal footage 1527 00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:49,300 most of the time like most of 1528 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,880 us are familiar with it. We 1529 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:52,680 usually find out any any 1530 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,660 other things. Yeah. The review, 1531 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,180 yeah. The review. This was this 1532 00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,760 was one of those rare occasions 1533 00:50:58,260 --> 00:51:02,720 that this happened while the 1534 00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:04,720 filming was in progress and I 1535 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,200 saw it on the little monitor of 1536 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,040 the camera. I'm like looking at 1537 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:11,240 it. I don't know. I don't know 1538 00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,640 if you're going to be able to 1539 00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:14,140 hear hear it because again it's 1540 00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:15,600 it's kind of quiet but if you 1541 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,100 if you have like headphones or 1542 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,880 something, you can literally 1543 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,480 hear it. It's just this thing. 1544 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,880 Now, as you can imagine. That's 1545 00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:30,120 like us kissing JK. Yeah. As 1546 00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:31,780 you can imagine, I mean, even 1547 00:51:30,180 --> 00:51:33,260 when this was happening, I was 1548 00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:34,760 turning my head several times 1549 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,220 just to make sure it wasn't 1550 00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:39,800 causing a shadow. The room was 1551 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,600 the whole room was dark. Now, 1552 00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:43,100 there was, we weren't too far 1553 00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:44,460 from the windows which again at 1554 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,360 this point, it was already 1555 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,440 nighttime and although some 1556 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,500 light was coming in from the 1557 00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,440 camera, it was still a shadow 1558 00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:53,940 like this and even at times, 1559 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:56,340 you can see in the footage that 1560 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,440 you know, II kind of do move 1561 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,940 around just to make sure again 1562 00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:02,440 if it's not me making that um 1563 00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:04,020 making the shadow, I look over 1564 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,420 to Don next and see if he's 1565 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,880 causing it and he he's nowhere 1566 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,360 near this he's nowhere near the 1567 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,120 position of this thing. He has 1568 00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:14,620 a little light on his camera 1569 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,700 too like from the night vision 1570 00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:18,300 but this was not bright enough 1571 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:22,280 to make the shadow could have 1572 00:52:20,140 --> 00:52:23,840 formed and you can also hear me 1573 00:52:22,340 --> 00:52:25,740 on tape saying, god, are you 1574 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:27,180 getting this right now? He's 1575 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,180 like, he's like, what are you 1576 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,720 talking about? It's like, 1577 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:32,420 there's something on camera. 1578 00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:33,880 I'm like, there's I have, 1579 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,680 there's something on camera 1580 00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:39,720 right now. There's a sitting on 1581 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,720 your face. 1582 00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:42,620 I whispered, I whispered to 1583 00:52:41,060 --> 00:52:43,920 Don about it but I, I didn't 1584 00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,200 tell the guys in front because 1585 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,960 I didn't, whatever this was, I 1586 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,800 didn't tell them. It must have 1587 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,500 been on camera for about a 1588 00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:56,040 minute or two perhaps and then 1589 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,340 it goes back up into the 1590 00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,940 ceiling. Now, I know some people 1591 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,480 would ask, say, well, how come 1592 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,980 you never moved your camera out 1593 00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:04,480 to the ceiling to see where where 1594 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,980 it was? I mean, where this this 1595 00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:07,980 this mask came from. Matter of 1596 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,080 fact, I did but very briefly, 1597 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,880 if you, if you look, I mean, if 1598 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,520 you look at the footage and if 1599 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,160 you pause it quick enough, you 1600 00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:16,560 could see obviously from the 1601 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,560 back of the camera, you could 1602 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,000 see the cause of the shadow but 1603 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,140 here's the crazy part. 1604 00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:24,340 Unfortunately, it's not going 1605 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:28,300 to show the full thing but um 1606 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,480 after this thing vanished, I 1607 00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:31,980 mean, I, I, I'm still in 1608 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:33,780 disbelief but just as I was 1609 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,380 about to catch my breath, 1610 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,940 suddenly, this black mess 1611 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,980 actually comes back down a 1612 00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:42,260 second time in the same exact 1613 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:44,160 position in the same exact 1614 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,560 position over the guy's head 1615 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,200 and it was, it was only there 1616 00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:49,640 for maybe about 10 seconds and 1617 00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:51,440 then it went back up to the 1618 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:53,440 ceiling again and it was gone 1619 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:55,340 completely. It was gone. I just 1620 00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:57,080 picture a ghost like squatting 1621 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,680 on his shoulders like sitting 1622 00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:59,680 on his head or something. 1623 00:53:59,940 --> 00:54:04,140 Too bad. Too bad. Too bad. 1624 00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:04,140 Yeah, too bad. 1625 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,580 It was it was just the the most 1626 00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:11,560 bizarre thing I think I've ever 1627 00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:13,120 captured. I mean, and I was 1628 00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:14,560 again, I was asking that 1629 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,620 question, what is this thing? 1630 00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:20,460 So, it was it was really 1631 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,760 strange. I think I found the 1632 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,260 footage from the show. Give me 1633 00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:25,420 one second here while I'm 1634 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,560 looking at it. I think this 1635 00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,360 might be at. You know how to do 1636 00:54:26,620 --> 00:54:30,000 it with the present button in 1637 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,440 the stream yard? Okay. Yeah, 1638 00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:34,140 I've used obviously just like 1639 00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,540 these shows. I mean, on on 1640 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,100 Things Network, we use, we use 1641 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,540 Streamyard too. So, I'm pretty 1642 00:54:37,180 --> 00:54:40,880 familiar with it. I'm just 1643 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,480 trying to, I'm just trying to 1644 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,320 get a little bit of a sense of 1645 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,920 what's going on. Okay, so, the 1646 00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,820 footage I got here, like I 1647 00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:49,620 said, they're they're not going 1648 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,860 to be able to show everything. 1649 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,500 This this is from the it's 1650 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,500 actually from a game show. They 1651 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,360 who review paranormal footage. 1652 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,660 This is this is from a show 1653 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,400 called, you probably know this 1654 00:54:58,740 --> 00:55:02,340 one, Chris, from Myth or 1655 00:55:00,460 --> 00:55:03,600 Mystery and they're going to 1656 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,840 show part of the footage here. 1657 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,500 So, I'm going to I'm going to 1658 00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:08,280 share it right now so you guys 1659 00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:09,680 check it out for yourselves. 1660 00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:12,420 Let me know if you guys can 1661 00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:16,400 see it. In his thick black mask 1662 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,900 engulfing the head of an 1663 00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:19,360 investigator here. I've seen it 1664 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,700 all the county sheriff's house 1665 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,700 in jail and Indiana. You want to 1666 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,540 miss it? Oh yeah, there's his 1667 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,980 head. Okay, I see his head. 1668 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,440 Yeah. It's a little bit hard to 1669 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,340 see it first but like if you 1670 00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:33,380 look at it a few like more than 1671 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,440 once, you'll see exactly what 1672 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,220 I'm talking about. The head of 1673 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:41,420 an investigator here. Oh, his 1674 00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:45,860 head is a little bit hard to 1675 00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:49,160 see. That's crazy. The location 1676 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,800 shut down. It's pretty much 1677 00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:53,400 exactly what's right. 1678 00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:54,940 Historical. Shadow figures have 1679 00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:57,340 been seen drifting in and out 1680 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,780 cells and so that's what you 1681 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,380 guys are asking. That's what I 1682 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,840 captured. Only one camera 1683 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,780 captures a black mask 1684 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:06,180 descending from the ceiling. 1685 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,680 Oh, wow. But the cameraman who 1686 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:10,220 I know I've seen it before but 1687 00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:14,840 I've never seen it. I wonder if 1688 00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:18,140 he's still smiling. He's 1689 00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:19,400 unable to. Oh yeah. Now, 1690 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,100 slow motion. So, here's a 1691 00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:24,740 better better view to see it 1692 00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:24,740 now. 1693 00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,540 and they couldn't figure it out 1694 00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:31,480 on that show, right? They 1695 00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:34,520 couldn't. They couldn't at all. 1696 00:56:31,540 --> 00:56:36,020 So, I have I have sent this 1697 00:56:34,580 --> 00:56:37,560 footage to some of the most 1698 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,160 hardcore skeptics out there 1699 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,060 because they were like the 1700 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,560 skeptics that would disappoint 1701 00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:45,740 you immediately with whatever 1702 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,240 you have and they could not 1703 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,700 come up with any idea what's I 1704 00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:50,240 mean, they asked me questions 1705 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:51,880 saying, well, you sure wasn't 1706 00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:53,440 this or that? They couldn't 1707 00:56:51,940 --> 00:56:55,380 come up with anything and do 1708 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:57,080 you remember what year this 1709 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,720 was? When when did you, what 1710 00:56:57,140 --> 00:57:03,080 year was that? This was taken 1711 00:56:58,780 --> 00:57:07,080 back in 2021. Okay. Alright. 1712 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:13,440 So, in fact, even after when I 1713 00:57:10,980 --> 00:57:15,040 showed Jeremy and he even gave 1714 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,520 me a pat on the back for it. 1715 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,980 You definitely cuz he's like, 1716 00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:19,280 looks like you definitely 1717 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,980 earned something for tonight on 1718 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,080 this. So, but it was just it 1719 00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:24,420 was just the weirdest and I 1720 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,820 even asked the guy later saying, 1721 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,660 did you feel anything? You're 1722 00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:28,960 like over your head or anything 1723 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,020 like that? The weirdest thing 1724 00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:32,000 is he said he never felt like 1725 00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:33,500 any cold spots or he didn't 1726 00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:35,100 know this was obviously as you 1727 00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:40,380 know, he was like, I knew this. 1728 00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:41,980 I knew this. Well, you know, 1729 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,540 what's funny is that the 1730 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,520 podcast that was showing that 1731 00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:46,980 footage, there were two 1732 00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:49,620 interesting notes that came out 1733 00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:51,120 of it is that obviously, again, 1734 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,720 this was a show too that had 1735 00:57:51,180 --> 00:57:54,420 another hardcore skeptic. I 1736 00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:56,720 mean, I was even telling myself 1737 00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,260 like when they were gonna 1738 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,760 present the footage cuz the guy 1739 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,660 they have on the show again, he 1740 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,540 could really debunk very 1741 00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:07,140 quickly. I mean, the guy's name 1742 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,740 is Josh. I was like, tell me 1743 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,780 something good here, Josh. 1744 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,980 Break my heart completely into 1745 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,540 a disappointment. Oh, Criola. 1746 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,340 She's a very good friend of mine. 1747 00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:19,080 She's a paranormal investigator. 1748 00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:20,880 In fact, if if you don't mind 1749 00:58:19,140 --> 00:58:22,980 me telling you this telling 1750 00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:24,980 them this. Go ahead. Criola, 1751 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:26,760 she is one of the very few if 1752 00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:31,560 not so far only paranormal 1753 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:38,440 investigators in the world. Oh, 1754 00:58:36,260 --> 00:58:39,300 that's where Dracula's Castle 1755 00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:40,840 is. Yep, Vlad the Emperor. 1756 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,200 Although, I wanna speak out for 1757 00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:43,440 Criola. There's more than just 1758 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,880 Transylvania basically. She 1759 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:47,340 she actually sent me a number 1760 00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:48,920 of links of other haunted and 1761 00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:49,880 historical locations and you 1762 00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:51,480 know, places like this 1763 00:58:49,940 --> 00:58:53,380 throughout Romania. So, which I 1764 00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:54,960 wanna think I definitely wanna 1765 00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:56,480 thank her for sending me that. 1766 00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:58,420 So, I'm gonna be looking at it 1767 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,920 later later this afternoon. So, 1768 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,460 I'm gonna go to her paranormal 1769 00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:06,840 family. So, I'm glad she's she's 1770 00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:08,400 in the chat. Yeah. Well, you 1771 00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:09,900 can consider the JK part of 1772 00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:11,300 your paranormal family. You 1773 00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:13,000 guys ever wanna see some crazy 1774 00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:15,880 stuff? I got some crazy stuff 1775 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,480 too. Yeah. He he got on 1776 00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:20,320 Tuesdays that you gotta catch 1777 00:59:17,540 --> 00:59:22,320 dude. Tuesday. Yeah. Anyway, 1778 00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:25,280 that'll be good. I do a live 1779 00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:28,860 spirit box sessions and then I 1780 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,860 take the video and I edit, I 1781 00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:35,800 post the best of on Thursday. 1782 00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:37,340 And all I do is work on cold 1783 00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:39,300 cases. Try to help families get 1784 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,840 closure and stuff. It's it's 1785 00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:42,380 pretty cool, dude. I get some 1786 00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:44,980 great responses. That's 1787 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,240 incredible. But yeah, like I 1788 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,180 said, this guy, like I was 1789 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,780 saying, I I was saying before 1790 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,480 that, yeah, I said, yo, please 1791 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,080 break my heart completely into 1792 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,060 what this is. Yeah. Tell me, 1793 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,720 give me your best shot. And he 1794 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,660 couldn't come up with anything. 1795 00:59:59,660 --> 01:00:03,200 He couldn't come up with anything. 1796 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:06,680 The only thing that he came up 1797 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:08,480 with was you know, and it was 1798 01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:10,520 very unlikely though is that he 1799 01:00:08,540 --> 01:00:12,680 may have assumed that, well, 1800 01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:14,220 maybe me as the camera operator, 1801 01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:15,680 I could have put my finger 1802 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,360 accidentally in the front of the 1803 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,760 lens. Why would I put my finger 1804 01:00:17,420 --> 01:00:20,380 in front of the lens? But it 1805 01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:21,560 had night vision. So, you 1806 01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:23,360 would have seen your fingernail 1807 01:00:21,620 --> 01:00:25,200 and everything. Yeah, exactly. 1808 01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:26,600 And you know, you would have 1809 01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:27,800 definitely seen even more 1810 01:00:26,660 --> 01:00:29,200 movement like, you know, like a 1811 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,000 camera operator would have 1812 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,340 covered his head like that. 1813 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,040 Yeah, there's no way it could 1814 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,640 have and and plus most cameras 1815 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:38,480 have the handles nowadays. So, 1816 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,640 you know, why and and the 1817 01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:40,840 camera and and the lens was 1818 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,220 clear. So, you know, why would 1819 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,420 I need to? Well, also, the 1820 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,780 finger would have blocked out 1821 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,120 part of the girl's head too. 1822 01:00:44,860 --> 01:00:50,820 That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. So, 1823 01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:52,600 in the end, other but other than 1824 01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:54,200 that, he couldn't come up with 1825 01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:56,400 anything. So, that was amazing, 1826 01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:58,360 man. That's amazing. Everybody's 1827 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,600 got to try to send that footage 1828 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,640 to I'm actually planning on 1829 01:01:01,660 --> 01:01:05,300 sending that footage to uh 1830 01:01:03,700 --> 01:01:06,940 Paranormal Con on camera and 1831 01:01:05,380 --> 01:01:09,340 and unexplained on camera for 1832 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,740 the UK audience. So, um. And 1833 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,820 Zach too, right? No, I'm 1834 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,180 kidding. Well, well, not Zach 1835 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,680 but I have however shown it to 1836 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:19,320 the guys from Paranormal Con 1837 01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:21,760 camera at a uh Paracon. I've 1838 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:24,160 shown the footage to uh Brian 1839 01:01:21,820 --> 01:01:26,160 J. Cano and uh Aaron Sagers. 1840 01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:27,520 We, I saw him. Well, I saw him 1841 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,760 on camera. I was there at um 1842 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,600 Paris Icon at Mansfield, Ohio 1843 01:01:30,820 --> 01:01:35,460 and and what was kind of what 1844 01:01:33,660 --> 01:01:37,300 was really cool was they told 1845 01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:39,140 me to send the footage for the 1846 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,460 show but they also told me to 1847 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,180 send a copy of that footage to 1848 01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:44,400 them individually. They want to 1849 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,100 have a copy of it. That's 1850 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,540 crazy, man. That's cool. That's 1851 01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:49,580 a great catch. That's the first 1852 01:01:48,620 --> 01:01:50,920 time I've watched it that close 1853 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,440 and intense. I mean, you showed 1854 01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:53,720 it to me other times on other 1855 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,680 channels but I just kind of 1856 01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:56,880 did. You know, if there's 1857 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,540 something that you haven't 1858 01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,280 captured on camera because you 1859 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,580 know, especially, yes, you got 1860 01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:04,740 a lot of investigators out 1861 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,720 there who've been doing this 1862 01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:08,320 for years and they haven't 1863 01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:10,020 really captured something like 1864 01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:11,360 this or especially a lot of 1865 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,360 newcomers that want to get 1866 01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:13,860 started because there's some 1867 01:02:12,420 --> 01:02:15,360 newcomers out there who think 1868 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,320 they they're going to get 1869 01:02:15,420 --> 01:02:19,020 something immediately. Reality 1870 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,360 is, it's not like that at all. 1871 01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:23,200 It's it's as I'm sure I'm not 1872 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,900 the first to say it. It's like 1873 01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:28,880 it's like it's like it's like 1874 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,040 all the time. Yeah. It is. As I 1875 01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:32,840 would say, I believe that does 1876 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,820 a lot more with your intention. 1877 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,680 Your intentions going in. You 1878 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,180 know, II believe that that 1879 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,120 spirit can feel, you know, if 1880 01:02:38,260 --> 01:02:41,920 you're going to provoke them or 1881 01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:43,820 you know, and they'll just kind 1882 01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:45,600 of stay away from that and I I 1883 01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:47,700 believe if you go in trying to 1884 01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:49,260 help and you know, figure out 1885 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,740 what their message is that that 1886 01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:54,100 you get a lot more. Yeah, he I 1887 01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:57,940 think that's definitely a good 1888 01:02:55,540 --> 01:03:00,480 reason but I also believe too, 1889 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,040 it is probably the most perfect 1890 01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:04,540 example that you gotta be at 1891 01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:06,040 the right place at the right 1892 01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:07,520 time to capture something like 1893 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,020 this. So, when it comes to 1894 01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:10,680 collecting video footage, 1895 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,060 footage, or whatever the case 1896 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,120 is, I just think that, you know, 1897 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,060 again, a lot of people who 1898 01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:16,520 think they're going to get stuff 1899 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,020 real quick. Again, it's like, 1900 01:03:16,580 --> 01:03:20,920 it's a way to get this. This 1901 01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:22,300 took me, this took me seventeen 1902 01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:25,500 years to get this footage. It 1903 01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,500 took me seventeen years for me 1904 01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,300 to finally get my first piece 1905 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,840 of video footage. That's that's 1906 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,640 honestly as I would probably 1907 01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:32,740 say the the reality when it 1908 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:35,400 tries when it comes to capturing 1909 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,840 something on camera. Dude, 1910 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,240 well, you've been you've been 1911 01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,740 amazing, man, and I I thank you 1912 01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:41,120 for sharing your whole story, 1913 01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:42,780 brother, and I'd love to have 1914 01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:44,620 you back on and see some more 1915 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,220 some more stuff and I can't 1916 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,720 thank you enough, man. Love and 1917 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,260 light to you for for everything 1918 01:03:47,780 --> 01:03:51,860 you're doing. Thank you. For 1919 01:03:51,860 --> 01:03:55,840 everything. I gotta get you back 1920 01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:56,840 on and if you hang around in 1921 01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:58,240 the background, I got a picture 1922 01:03:56,900 --> 01:04:00,740 I want to show you real quick. 1923 01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:02,300 Yeah, sure. Yeah, hang out in 1924 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,500 the background and I'll I'll 1925 01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:05,400 pull it up and I think you I 1926 01:04:03,580 --> 01:04:09,220 think you'll like it. So, but 1927 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:11,180 everybody follow follow Nick 1928 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,480 and check out his show on 1929 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,280 Wednesdays. The Nick Files. 1930 01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:17,680 It's four PM Central. Is that 1931 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,420 correct? Uh 430 PM Central 1932 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,020 Standard Time. 430 PM Central. 1933 01:04:21,020 --> 01:04:24,500 Yeah, that's right. But uh 1934 01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:27,000 right now, we gotta cut it off 1935 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,500 here. So, thanks, Nick. I 1936 01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:30,080 really appreciate it. Hang out 1937 01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,600 in the back for me and I'll 1938 01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:33,440 show you that. Alright. 1939 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,140 helping out. Thank you. Thank 1940 01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:38,340 you very much. Cockroaches. 1941 01:04:36,220 --> 01:04:41,020 Alright, Chris, what do you 1942 01:04:38,420 --> 01:04:43,980 think? I love it. I love it. I 1943 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:47,580 think eleven. Yeah. He's a 1944 01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:49,160 great guy. Yeah, it was uh 1945 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,000 great. I want to thank all 1946 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:56,000 everybody and uh we'll see you 1947 01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:23,000 next time.