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Welcome to Talking with the Source, where we bring on

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the story of the Moon missions.

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Well known in local researchers from around the world to share their experiences and evidence.

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Who knows that the Moon missions were faked?

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As soon as I said I'll meet you and she said oh darn it I gotta check the door make sure

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the door is locked because I don't want to leave John's house unlocked.

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So she goes back to check the door.

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I go out to my vehicle and I hear this god awful scream.

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Well there are 63 races of greys.

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So most people only think there's one race and when you say greys it's a misinformation.

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There are 63 races.

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Out of those one race is a negative extraterrestrial.

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And what I do is I group them in the negative and the positive.

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The positive wish to save humanity a sand.

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What is your name?

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My name is Anthony.

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Are you ready to unravel the mysteries of this podcast?

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What's going on everybody?

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This is AJ Capasso here, host of Talking with the Source and I'm here with my two best friends.

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Jonathan Keyworth up on the top right from JK 47 Paranormal Investigations and the other

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one Sir Chris on the left.

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What is going on guys?

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How you guys been?

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Good man.

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Good.

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Awesome, awesome.

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So JK talk a little bit about what responses you got there with the other day because

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I know it blew your mind man.

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Dude I still don't get it man.

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Like that was one of my best sessions like I think I've ever had like just the responses

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that I got how clear they were.

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It just blows my mind man.

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Like even before I sat down I said how are you doing today?

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And the spirit said alright.

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I was like okay, let's do this.

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And it just it was crazy like there was one that said he tried to kill me.

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Like it was spaced out.

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It went through like 10 to 15 stations at that point but it was all the same voice.

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It got higher at the end like the voice were getting higher.

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I don't know man.

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It's just crazy stuff.

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It was good stuff.

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I definitely encourage anyone to go over to Targeting with JK and check out his live sessions

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that he does every Tuesday.

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Some of the stuff that he gets amazing and then he puts his best responses out after

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the fact that you could see with captions and everything.

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So take a look and basically like I tell everyone those captions are suggestions.

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Tell us what you hear if you don't hear the same thing and we love to get people's reactions

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to it.

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But today we have an amazing show guys.

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We have somebody that was on the show before but now we're here to talk about him and what

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he does as a shaman.

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But before we begin this episode is actually sponsored by Health Empowers You dot net.

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So we just wanted to give a shout out to Health Empowers You dot net real quick.

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But as I'm going to bring forward right now the amazing Steve Wagner I want to bring him

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forward.

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But first before we do that he's from a group that is called the Others Side.

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So let me bring and show you guys this.

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Where are you?

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Are you afraid to cross over?

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That's not a human spirit.

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I still say he's got followers.

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Yeah that's saying it all.

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Isolation, addiction, I just got a bad feeling about that whatever that is out.

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Were you ever a being of the light?

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Have you seen the chaos?

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Just the energy of pain and anguish.

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It's like it's almost hard to breathe.

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Hey I need to get out of here.

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I'm giving you a warning not to go back down there.

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I'm upset now.

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I felt like every door that you passed there was something going to reach out and grab

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I'm scared.

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I say no.

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I say no.

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But we're here to get answered.

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Steve what is going on my friend?

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How are you?

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I am well.

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How are y'all?

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Great, great.

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Thank you so much for coming on and joining us.

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We truly appreciate your presence man.

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We thank you for coming back on.

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It was an amazing time having your team on with you that time.

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But we really want to dive in today into the work that you do because you are a unique

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shaman like we were talking in back.

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You know, do it just a conventional way.

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So I want to learn as much as I can today about yourself and about the work you do.

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And I know our viewers would love to hear it as well.

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So before we start off, I want to start off with this first question.

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How did you become a shaman and what inspired you to follow this path?

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And I've explained it before.

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This was something that it's you hear the word chosen that you're chosen to have this.

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I don't believe that.

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I don't believe that you are chosen.

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I believe that you're that you make the choice.

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And I believe that choice comes from deep within from your very soul.

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Now, my soul and my ego and my body did not agree for many years.

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I didn't want to follow this.

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But ultimately, I was in a car accident, a pretty bad one.

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I wasn't expected to live or and if I did not walk again.

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And in this process of getting to the hospital and staying there and the surgeries, I died

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twice.

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And so that was the near death experience.

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That was the traditional shamanic death.

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And the whole point of that, of course, I'm you know, I didn't realize it at the time.

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But I look back.

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The point of that is to actually cross over to enter back into the non physical, which

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is our true form to be formless and to actually communicate with spirits on the other side.

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Ironically, that's the other side.

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And so it was really a unique it wasn't like you hear a lot of people talk about seeing

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it like a tunnel of light or seeing loved ones.

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I was just in this vivid, bright light.

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And I could tell that I was kind of being prevented from going any further.

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And then these voices started talking to me and I was familiar with them.

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And you would think you'd be freaking out about all this.

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But I was completely aware.

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And I felt I was comfortable where I was.

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And I had conversations with these voices that I learned later that were my my spirit

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guides.

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And they they told me that, you know, it wasn't really my time.

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But I guess they took the opportunity to speak to me to try to get me straightened out and

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get on the right path.

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And so that was a long recovery period.

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she died.

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They came to me this time.

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And I really thought I was pretty much going crazy.

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I thought, you know, OK, too many drugs.

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And so and they led me started telling me what I needed to do and how I needed to do

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it.

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And they even gave me the name of a psychic that I had I was supposed to go see.

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And I just wasn't sure what to do with this.

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And she and she kind of went through the whole thing and gave me some pointers on the guest.

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These are your spirit guides and they've been trying to push you to do this.

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And I decided, OK, I'm going to make this big life change.

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I'm going to walk away from that dark gangstership.

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I'm going to be this light person.

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I didn't realize how hard that was going to be to do that.

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And so I found myself drawn.

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And I was what I was was kind of drawn to the religious part anyway.

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I was raised Catholic.

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I studied world religions in the Honors College at UCA.

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But then I I had this kind of a draw to shamanism for some reason.

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I started reading all these books.

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I started doing all this research.

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And I did I started tracing my own indigenous roots and legacy of the bloodlines.

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And then I found the teachers and I went I went to to do the full blown shamanic apprenticeship.

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And this is again during the shamanic journey and going through this training.

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The guides, they just kept coming back.

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The same voices, the same energy, the same messages.

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They just kept coming back to me.

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And that's basically I threw up my hands and said, OK, I'll do this.

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That is great.

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That is great.

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Nicole asked, so can anyone be a shaman?

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Can anyone take the path that you you've chosen?

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I mean, honestly, no.

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A lot of people want to be.

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It's just like we were talking before.

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A lot of people, they want to be a psychic.

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They want to be a medium.

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They want to be this and that.

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But if it's if it's not coming from within you, it's just really not your thing.

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You know, you can't you can't force yourself.

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That's a loaded question because you can you can train yourself.

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Everybody is a psychic at some point.

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I mean, everybody is psychic.

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Psychic is from the grief word that means soul.

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Everybody's got a soul.

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Everybody, therefore, is psychic to some degree.

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It's just that some people come in and they're more they have more of that.

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You know, right.

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And I mean, I'm sorry, I can go out and treat 300 free throws, but I'm not going to be in

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the NBA.

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So, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, but can anybody be a shaman?

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You can go through all the training and you can go through all the steps.

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But again, I think the thing is, are you willing to go through the steps?

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Are you willing to actually walk that walk of a shaman?

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Are you ready to do what it takes to be what you want to be?

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Most people that, you know, they they they figure they they start hearing things that

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I've been through and what I've done and they're like, oh, fuck, no, I don't want to do that.

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And I understand I didn't either.

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I mean, so.

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And if if you're pulled to it, is that your soul calling?

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It's like the universe is relentless.

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It won't it won't stop until you at least give it a shot, you know.

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So I I would have to say no, ever.

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They're not just anybody can be.

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You can learn.

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You can be a shamanic practitioner.

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You can you can live the lifestyle.

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You can read and it helps you.

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healings to communicate with spirit.

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Sometimes that just takes it like a next level thing.

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And not everybody's willing to put that work in to reach that point.

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You know, now I will.

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I do and have taught people to do the shamanic journey, which is to enter that altered state,

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to make that connection with spirit, your power animals.

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And that's that's the first step.

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And that's where most people stop.

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They don't care to go any further.

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And there's only that you have to be able to go further.

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You have to be able to get outside that box.

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Chris, I know you're probably going to ask exactly what Nicole is going to come up.

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But Nicole said, what exactly is a shaman?

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She goes, she's heard of it, but not sure exactly what it means.

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I love it.

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There we go.

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I love that answer.

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My guys told me because I've been asked on this one particular interview that they actually

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came through.

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They asked that question, how do you define a shaman?

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And my God said it's a seeker of truth.

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That's what a shaman is.

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It's a seeker of truth.

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And and that's an example of how spirit communicates.

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It's very brief.

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It's to the point, but it's very profound.

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There's a lot more to that answer than it sounds like.

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To to seek the truth means that you go to source energy.

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You go to the other side.

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You go to the non-physical to seek that truth.

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You follow your guidance.

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You do the work.

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You read the books.

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You go to the seminars.

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You do whatever it takes to learn and to grow.

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Shaman is one who works with spirit.

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That's a broad term.

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And it's like we were talking again earlier.

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What kind of spirits?

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Well, some work with power animals.

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Some work with angelic.

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Some work with the higher beings.

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Some work with the souls, the human souls.

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It's not a it's not a one size fits all thing.

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There's not one definition.

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One of the old definitions is one who walks both worlds.

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And and that's actually pretty accurate, too, because, you know, when you get into this

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shamanic practice and you start realizing that there is no distinction between physical

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and non-physical, supernatural or natural, it's all natural.

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Everything is just everything is energy.

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You kind of get a different perspective and it kind of.

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I mean, you get a little weird because you don't see things the way other people see

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it.

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You don't see all it's not black and white anymore.

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It's all gray.

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There's that blurring lines thing.

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You know, it's it's it's.

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But that's just how it is.

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So there's not a.

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There's just not one definition of what a shaman is.

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Even the archaeologists and everybody that's done the research is on on shaman shamanism.

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They don't have no one has been able to come up with one singular definition of what a

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shaman sounds like.

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It's a very personal definition.

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It is.

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It is.

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And it's about the difference.

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You know, because everyone in an indigenous terms, everyone has their own medicine.

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Right.

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And so you have doctors and they go out to be specialists and some are foot doctors and

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some are heart surgeons.

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And I mean, you know, but they're still all doctors.

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And that's the same thing.

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But with shaman and psychic mediums, everything is on a spectrum of being right.

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Yeah.

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Everybody's on that spectrum at some point or another.

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And it's just all your culture plays into what kind of shaman you are.

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I mean, if I came from South America, I would be doing completely different things.

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Yeah.

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In Siberia, I'd be doing different things.

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So what is your background?

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In what way?

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I mean, you said if I came from like South America, I'd be doing so.

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Are you from like are you Native American?

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I have Cherokee and Choctaw bloodline.

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OK, cool.

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Yeah.

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Chris wasn't with us on the first show, so that's why he might ask you some questions

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that you know.

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No, so it's North American Native.

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Now I do have just like a little bit of the South.

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I do have that.

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I found out Latin and ties into, you know, the Mayans and things.

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So my background came to.

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Yeah.

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And so that's that's pretty good.

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And you can you can see that my my grandkids all have the profiles in the skin tone and

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they look like little Aztecs.

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Well they're not little anymore.

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They're all teenagers.

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Yeah.

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But still, you can you can see that it's they they look exotic.

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They're exotic.

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You know, yeah, that is also if I was asked before, I might want this.

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No, no, no, don't worry about it.

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I want to ask, what are some of the most common misconceptions about shamanism that you would

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say?

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That people kind of misconstrued sometimes.

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They're all skin walkers.

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Well, people and it's not just shaman.

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Quite honestly, I've seen it with psychics and anybody else.

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People have these high expectations.

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Sometimes they expect way too much.

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They think you're a miracle worker.

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And and one of the big misconceptions, especially if they come to me, is I'm not doing the work

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for you.

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I'll show you how.

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I'll tell you how and I'll help you get there.

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It's like when I was a personal trainer, you know, people come to you and say, I want to

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lose 30 pounds in the next two weeks so I can look good on the beach.

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It's like, well, you need to go to get liposuction then because I can't help you.

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Nice.

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And so I guess one of the misconceptions is they're going to come get a healing, for example,

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and everything's going to be good.

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No, that's just a layer.

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That's just one layer on the onion.

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And you got to you know, you could come back to me every month and we're going to find

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something that you need to work on or something that needs fixed or something that needs healed

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because we're all fragmented.

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We're all dissociated.

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We're all just a walking personality disorder and not just this lifetime.

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You know, we're scattered all through all the different time zones and dimensions.

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I mean, there's.

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So basically they you you instruct you guide you.

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You're like a spirit guide guiding your patients.

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They have to put it in the work in order for it to happen.

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I can't do it for them.

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I mean, that's their walk.

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And I will do everything to help you get there.

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But if you don't listen and you don't do the work, you're not going to gain any benefit.

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Now they'll get a healing and they'll get the tools and I'll give them the tools.

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And this is what you need to do.

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But if you don't do it, then they're not going to gain anything.

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They're just not.

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And there is no magic wand.

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There is no magic button.

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You know, but there there is there is an opportunity to learn.

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There is this opportunity to be to get healing and then to and then to pick up my big thing

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in the big shaman in general is to teach you to heal yourself.

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That's the thing.

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Don't come to me with every little pitty ass problem you got because some of that's on

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you.

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You're going to have to do it.

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Yeah.

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So I think even though you hear all the buzzwords about shaman being compassionate and, you

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know, they make us like this, we're just big teddy bears.

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That's just not how it is.

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You got to get in their face sometime and tell them that's not my fucking problem.

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That's yours.

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That's your wall.

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You can't tell the truth without her.

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So you know, it's you know, truth hurts.

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So it's it's you know, you got to be honest with them.

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And I think a lot of people don't understand that.

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And I'm glad that you put it that way, because a lot of people don't understand.

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They just think that they're going to bring, you know, someone in like yourself and that

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you're going to do everything for them and they don't have to do anything.

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But in reality, it's like, no, they need to also do their work.

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They need to be a part of this and do their job.

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You know, so yeah, I totally get it.

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I mean, that's that's why we're here.

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That's what we're here to learn and grow and evolve as spiritual beings.

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The flesh, the material, the physical really, really don't mean a lot.

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It's all about the nonphysical.

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It's all about the spiritual.

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And we have to.

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We have to do the work.

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You know, we we are accountable for everything.

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And that's a big thing I've learned from the Kabbalistic side of things.

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We're accountable for everything.

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We create our own reality.

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We do.

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We all just talk about karma and everybody thinks that's some kind of real mystical concept.

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Well, you know, basically that's consequences for your actions.

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That's plain and simple.

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That's what your karma is.

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You do something stupid.

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You're going to have consequences.

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And most of us are.

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We always go through that stupid state.

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And so we're going to make mistakes.

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We're going to have bad karma.

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But we and we do have and we we are we are divine.

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We are extensions of this universal energy creator, God's source, whatever you want to

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see, whatever you want to call that.

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And and so we are experiencing everybody thinks that's why it's I haven't even quite got this

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all figured out.

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We talk about free will and I'm thinking, do we really even have free will?

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We didn't.

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We had this energy that created us to experience what it was to be us.

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We didn't have anything to say about it.

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Yeah.

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But once we get here, then we do have the means if we if we learned if we recognize

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it, that we can control or manage, we can at least manage this reality and we can create

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a life more along the lines of what we want by design, not what's just handed to us.

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You know, it's that source that's inside us working with that source.

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It's all around us to make the reality come into effect.

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Well, I've heard that called our life path, our life contract, you know, that before we

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came, we're put on a path and that our guides or spirit guides are helping us, you know,

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fulfill that path.

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That's why you hear those little voices.

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I wouldn't do this.

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I wouldn't do this.

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You know, well, in that part now, as far as the contract, I call bullshit on that because

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we don't make a contract.

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We don't make a contract with God that we're going to do a certain thing.

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And it's a pass fail situation.

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First of all, if we are God, why are we making a why are we making a contract?

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Right.

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And here's what here's how I understand it.

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We have a guide.

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We have a list.

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We have like a bucket list of things that we want to do that we want to experience coming

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in.

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But they're all contingent.

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They're all contingencies because we know on the other side, we know once we get here,

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it's all going to change.

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It's all going to go to shit.

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So you know, we have to come in here and we have to adapt and go with it.

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That's the big thing is to adapt and to flow with what comes in and then just go with it.

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So yeah, whatever can go wrong, we'll go.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it will.

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I mean, and we and we come here because of those challenges and because everything is

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so difficult, not in spite of it.

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We actually think, oh, that that's going to help us grow.

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It's going to help us learn.

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I don't understand it.

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I mean, you know, we're sitting here thinking, man, what were we thinking?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Like why would I choose to come here and suffer the way that we're suffering?

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You know what I mean?

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Like that's what I think to myself sometimes.

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And I've had a near death experience that like we've talked about, Steve, and, you know,

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it's like I always said to myself, like, if I had a choice, if I made this choice to come

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down here, I was thinking to myself, like, why would I want to come down to experience

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negativity?

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I don't understand this, you know, because if I could choose again, maybe I would have,

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you know, but I get it, though.

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It's a learning process and it's a growing thing for our spirits.

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So I totally understand that aspect of it.

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Yeah, because, you know, when you are on the other side, when you are in the non-physical,

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you don't lack for anything.

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So we come here for contrast.

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We come here for the negative.

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We come here for the hurt and for the pain and the disappointment.

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And you know, we're a better place to do that than here with other people.

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Yeah.

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You know, because it's like going to a buffet.

476
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It's like going to a buffet.

477
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If you don't try out certain things, you know, you're never going to know what you like and

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certain things you're not going to like.

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And yeah, so that contrast helps us decide, you know, what it is we like and certain things

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we may want to explore later on, maybe in another life or who knows if we have other

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lives, you know.

482
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So it's like that old saying, it's not the destination, it's the journey.

483
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And that applies to a lot of different things.

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It doesn't matter where we end up.

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It matters what we learn along the way.

486
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You see, and even though we're seeking something and we're looking down the road, we think

487
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that's what we want.

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Our linear thinking is we have a plan, we have a goal, and this is what we're going

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to accomplish.

490
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Our soul is like, yeah, we might find it along the way.

491
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We might find it before we get there.

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And you'll trip over it because you're too busy looking at the horizon and what's right

493
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:42,680
in front of you.

494
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,560
So you got to live in present moment.

495
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,520
You got to take it day by day.

496
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,720
The four agreements are really a good book, right?

497
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,200
You be impeccable with your word.

498
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,400
You don't make assumptions and you do your best, always, always do your best.

499
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,120
And then now I can't even remember the fourth one.

500
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,000
You got three of them out there.

501
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,560
I got three out of four.

502
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Hey, that's all right.

503
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,600
That's passing.

504
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,600
That's passing right there.

505
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,600
That's passing.

506
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Well, I wanted to ask you as a shaman and the way that you do it, how do you connect

507
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,120
with the spiritual world and what practices or rituals do you use when you're doing your

508
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,120
work?

509
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:31,720
I started out with the shamanic journey, which is a altered state of consciousness.

510
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,960
And we accomplished that with drumming, rattling.

511
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,560
And it's really helpful to be in a group dynamic when we do it.

512
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,640
And that's when you the science behind that is you reach the alpha state of brain frequency,

513
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,320
like pre-sleep that where the imagery and everything can actually come through and you

514
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,560
kind of step around your critical mind.

515
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,880
And so the shamanic journey is where I started.

516
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:07,640
But when you start, the more connection you make, and especially with your spirit guides,

517
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,760
because they will tend to just kind of come in whether you're trying to tune in or not

518
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,360
sometimes.

519
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280
But you kind of you get to the point.

520
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,560
It's all about the law of attraction.

521
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,240
It's whatever you're vibing out.

522
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:27,000
So as you're learning and you're growing, you tend to kind of hit or vibe with some

523
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,600
of the higher evolutions.

524
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,640
But the journey is where it all begins.

525
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,080
And as well, I always tell everybody that it's good.

526
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,720
That's a good starting point.

527
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,520
But you really want to get to you know, you don't always have time to say, OK, I'm going

528
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,040
to take 15 minutes here.

529
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520
I'm on a drum and I'm on a journey.

530
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Sometimes you need an answer now and you want that intuition to kick in.

531
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,120
You want that inner knowing to be there.

532
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,520
And that's what you're trying to get.

533
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,920
And that's what comes as you as you grow, as you practice.

534
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,120
It's all about practice.

535
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,640
It's all about being consistent and being diligent.

536
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Now I don't really do the journey anymore.

537
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,520
I usually just put it out there and say, this is what I need to find out.

538
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,520
This is what I need to know.

539
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,720
I'm asking for guidance.

540
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280
And sometimes the answer comes right back to me.

541
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,880
Sometimes it takes a while.

542
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Yeah.

543
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,280
Or, you know, something's got to work through and a healing.

544
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:30,360
It's a different kind of connection because I merged with the person's energy.

545
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:36,560
So I'm checking in on their chakras and their very soul, really, to see what their chakras

546
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,000
are telling me, what their biofield is telling me.

547
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:47,440
And then there's different levels of spirit that will come in.

548
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,120
And again, when you first learn the shamanic journey, it's all power animals and animal

549
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,120
spirits.

550
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:59,160
And then all of a sudden, well, there might be an angelic or your guides are there.

551
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,240
And then it might be a higher level angelic.

552
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,640
And then it might be an archangel.

553
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640
And then you get all these other beings sometimes that come in there and you don't even know

554
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920
what they are exactly.

555
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,920
But they come in.

556
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:15,000
But it's but as you as you reach a higher level of consciousness and being as you continue

557
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,480
to do the work, because only matching vibrations share space.

558
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,720
So if you you start elevating yourself.

559
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,500
The higher evolutions will start trying to match you, you see, and you can work with

560
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:31,840
you.

561
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Which is amazing.

562
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,480
You just said because, John, what we do with the binaural beats and we work with frequency

563
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,160
and we get into altered states of consciousness, you have seen a massive growth in what he

564
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:48,880
just said, where you're starting to reach the same vibrational frequency as these entities

565
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,280
of what you're dealing with.

566
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,720
And you're getting these amazing responses.

567
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,520
So that was that was amazing that you mentioned that, Steve, that brought up such things that

568
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,480
we were talking about earlier, me and him.

569
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,480
That's great.

570
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,480
You know what?

571
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240
What you see is seeking you.

572
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Yeah.

573
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320
And that goes back to the point.

574
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,560
You got to do the work.

575
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,560
You got to do the work.

576
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,760
You know, the universe, what's the old saying?

577
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,840
The universe moves when you do.

578
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Yeah.

579
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,840
And that's true.

580
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:22,200
I mean, if you're just sitting on your ass and not doing anything, what do you expect?

581
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,240
You expect the universe to come to you?

582
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,760
And that's just not how it works.

583
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,240
You have to move.

584
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Spirit never imposes itself on you.

585
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,080
OK.

586
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Good, bad or indifferent.

587
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:43,520
You ask, then you spark something, then you stir up the energies you see.

588
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:52,120
So the more you do, the more you know, know thyself, you know, if you know that what's

589
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,160
that what's that saying?

590
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Know thyself and know God in the universe.

591
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Right.

592
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,600
And so you got to know yourself and you got to move and you got to act and you got to

593
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,600
act on guidance.

594
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,200
And then that's the universe and the spirit.

595
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,200
OK.

596
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,200
But we're with you and they they they climb on board, they get on board with you and they

597
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,200
they'll help.

598
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,680
And they are they're really good about helping you out about things like that.

599
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,560
It's just tuning in and giving them your commitment and being willing to open yourself up and

600
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:19,560
listening.

601
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Right.

602
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,800
Like it's a it's a it's an old shamanic concept.

603
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,800
You know what?

604
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,160
What you honor, what we honor honors us.

605
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,160
You know.

606
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Yeah.

607
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,400
We honor our power animals, they honor us.

608
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,440
We honor spirit.

609
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,440
It honors us.

610
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,440
We honor the universe.

611
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,360
The universe is going to honor us because again, it's that law of attraction.

612
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,800
It is that governing law of mirroring.

613
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,760
OK.

614
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,320
Whatever we're vibing out, the universe reflects back to us and that becomes our reality.

615
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,440
So that's that's how we are creators.

616
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,800
And of course, that sounds real simple.

617
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,360
Everybody knows it's a lot harder than that.

618
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,360
A lot harder.

619
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Yeah.

620
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,040
But at least if people would get that concept now, they would they would understand, like,

621
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,800
wait a minute, this situation really sucks.

622
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,840
OK, I need to readjust.

623
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,240
I need to recalibrate.

624
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,400
What is it I need to do differently to change this around?

625
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,400
Yeah.

626
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,880
You know, that's why I tell people have childlike faith, you know, because it's like a child

627
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,400
will have the imagination of what we need to have as adults.

628
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,400
You know what I mean?

629
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,320
Yeah, that that really is something that we should really have is that childlike faith.

630
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,840
But Chris, go ahead, my friend.

631
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,840
It's not.

632
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:42,240
I mean, kids, it's not imaginary.

633
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,440
It's fact.

634
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,520
You know, it's all and that's that's where we lack.

635
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,720
You know, if we had that that innocence, we had that faith, if we had that it's already

636
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,880
done, it would be simply would be kids haven't been spoiled by society.

637
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,960
And jaded by it, I guess is a better word.

638
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Sure.

639
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,960
Yeah.

640
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:02,960
Or bills.

641
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Yeah, and bills and then responsibility.

642
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Yeah.

643
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,240
But I tell you what, I wish I can go back to being a kid because you're absolutely right.

644
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,960
Having that childlike faith is something so important.

645
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,440
And I try to always have it when I'm doing my work, because, you know, it's it helps

646
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,440
in a lot of ways.

647
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,440
It really truly does.

648
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,280
John, you want to ask a question?

649
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Yeah, so when you when you're asking spirit a question, you know, are you doing this subconsciously?

650
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Are you verbally speaking out the question?

651
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,400
And when you get your answer, do you hear it subconsciously or do you have the audio

652
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,960
capability of hearing it?

653
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Yes.

654
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,200
How is that?

655
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Normally, I mean, I'm a big believer in putting it out there.

656
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,680
OK, so and so people.

657
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,840
When I'm driving, especially, you know, I'm kind of in that zone and I'll do a lot of

658
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,640
praying and I'll put it out there and I don't worry about it because people assume I'm talking

659
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,640
on my phone.

660
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,640
I'm not.

661
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,520
I'm talking to whoever wants to listen and I'm putting it out there.

662
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,360
And it's when I'm in that zone and you got to get in that zone like the gym is one of

663
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,360
my zones.

664
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
You know, I don't think about anything.

665
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,240
Even going to the gym is a spiritual event for me because I get in that zone and that's

666
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,360
and that when you get out of your head, that's when the answers come in.

667
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,080
You know how you ever work crossword puzzles?

668
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,080
Yeah.

669
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,080
OK.

670
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,040
And you know how you get stuck on one and the more you think about it, the more frustrated

671
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,040
you get.

672
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,880
And but when you fold that paper up and you put it down and you walk away.

673
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,240
Yeah, the answer comes.

674
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,240
Yeah, right.

675
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,240
Yeah.

676
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,280
So you run back and you write it down.

677
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,520
Sometimes I do and I don't hear it's a it's a telepathic thing.

678
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,920
It's more like an inspirational thought.

679
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,920
OK, is what it is.

680
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Or like I said, it's like, OK, you need to all of a sudden you need to read this book.

681
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:13,960
The answer is in this book or this TV show or something along those lines.

682
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120
So I mean, it can come in different ways.

683
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:23,400
And so you have to be aware and alert, you know, because the answer can just it can come

684
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,600
from somebody waiting in a checkout line.

685
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Somebody could just randomly spit out something and then give you the answer.

686
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,200
You know, what had that happened?

687
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,960
And they don't sometimes they don't even know what they said.

688
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,480
They're not even aware.

689
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,680
You know, it's that's that's kind of spooky.

690
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:48,220
But you know, I have ever have ever been driving and you got an answer and it was like maybe

691
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:52,480
off a billboard or something that you or something that you just never even expected.

692
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,480
And it just hits you in the face and you're like, wow, I was literally just asking about

693
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,480
this.

694
00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,680
And here's my answer right in front of me.

695
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,880
Have you ever had that happen?

696
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Oh, yeah.

697
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,880
Or hear it on the radio.

698
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,880
Yeah.

699
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,880
On the radio or something.

700
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,880
Yeah.

701
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,880
Or a song.

702
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,880
A song will come on.

703
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,880
Yeah.

704
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Yeah.

705
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,880
Makes sense.

706
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,880
I mean, I'm not sure if you're wondering what you're saying.

707
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,880
Yeah, there it is.

708
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,880
And yeah.

709
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,880
Yeah.

710
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,880
You're not in the it and people.

711
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,880
So that's just coincidence.

712
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,880
No, it's not.

713
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,880
That's that.

714
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,560
I mean, that's not the universe of God.

715
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,920
And there's a big I mean, I used to all what I still do.

716
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:38,440
A lot of my answers would come in the form of animals, animal signs, animal symbols,

717
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,120
because the spirit animal spirits and the power animals, the totems, they all carry

718
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,060
a different medicine or a different message.

719
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:53,000
And so if if a certain animal bird or whatever would appear, I could look that up and I'd

720
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,280
get the answer or sometimes a word to pop in the head.

721
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,320
And you know, you and you don't assume that, you know, if that word means look it up, look

722
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,200
up all the different definitions and see if that doesn't apply to the question you just

723
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,000
asked to help you explain.

724
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:13,640
But there's there's always all kinds of different, different that comes to you.

725
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,880
See, I don't believe that it's a coincidence either, because, you know, everything is as

726
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,880
consciousness.

727
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,920
I believe everything is consciousness and in it like plants, animals, anything.

728
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,600
For example, there is a dog on TikTok where they have these buttons down.

729
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,640
And John, you know what I'm about to say?

730
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,000
The dog would press like I'm Marley or like, Hi, I love you.

731
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,120
Or like, I want to go outside and like, there's like these buttons that dogs can press to

732
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,520
interact and learn.

733
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,800
I've seen that actual dog.

734
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,760
Now they had to put on medication because the dog kept saying, what am I?

735
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,760
And then they would say here.

736
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,640
Yeah, it would look here and go, what am I?

737
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,240
And they would say they would say they would press the button and say dog and they would

738
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,620
say what it kept doing it to the point where it got depressed.

739
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:02,560
And they actually had to bring it to the vet and put it on medication now.

740
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,600
And they actually just recently stopped, I believe, uploading videos of the dog Marley

741
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,600
because of it.

742
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,040
And I'm like, think about this.

743
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,560
Like these animals have to have the same consciousness that we have in us.

744
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
It's just they can't obviously speak our language.

745
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,320
It's just like going to a different country where someone speaks Russian and I speak American

746
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,320
or English.

747
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,020
I mean, I don't understand what they're saying.

748
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:26,300
It's like the same thing with like an animal, all this consciousness around us, all this

749
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:27,800
energy around us.

750
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,520
There just can't be a coincidence, you know, that just sits there and goes, oh, that's

751
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,480
a coincidence to me, because after all the stuff that I've learned and witnessed and

752
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,560
everything, it just it just doesn't make sense to be like, oh, that's a coincidence.

753
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,160
You know, there's too much.

754
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:47,160
And it pisses me off, too, when I hear people say something, it's just a dog.

755
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Yeah, no.

756
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,160
Yeah, it's really pisses me off.

757
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,160
Sorry.

758
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,560
You might as well just say, well, it's just a kid.

759
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,560
Yeah.

760
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,600
I mean, what the fuck's your problem?

761
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,120
I mean, they don't see this.

762
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Yeah.

763
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120
I mean, that's a no.

764
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,640
That's a it drives me nuts being, you know.

765
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,920
So yeah, I agree.

766
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680
I mean, even stones, crystals.

767
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,680
Yeah.

768
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,680
And they still there's a consciousness.

769
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:20,880
Everything is everything is and that it that's and that that is what.

770
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,120
That's kind of a game changer when you see that when you when you start seeing that and

771
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,120
everything.

772
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,240
I mean, I went to that phase where you started questioning everything, you know, it's kind

773
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,240
of like, what does that mean?

774
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:32,240
Oh, my God.

775
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,440
You know, all these different synchronicities and you get to the point where you just let

776
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,920
sometimes shit happens.

777
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,760
Yeah, it just does.

778
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,300
And then other times it's kind of OK, that's a message.

779
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:48,040
You know, you need to tune in and look at it.

780
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,560
So how do you interpret and work with dreams or visions in your shamanic practice?

781
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,800
Or do you work with dreams and visions in your shamanic practice?

782
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Well, I mean, dreams and visions are not.

783
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,880
They are not so different from what you might see in a shamanic journey, because everything

784
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:17,240
in a shamanic journey is symbolism, its archetypes, its things of that nature.

785
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:26,400
And so I help people we start looking at sometimes they don't they're not sure what they're seeing.

786
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,200
Like I have one guy and he was he was writing it all.

787
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,520
He was writing down the different symbols.

788
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:39,560
And I and I actually recognize that a lot of the one thing he was writing down was a.

789
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,880
It was a vortex of a wormhole thing.

790
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,160
And then and I forget it's actually it's in my book.

791
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,620
And I don't remember exactly what that was.

792
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:56,560
But some of the other things that he was writing down was it was ancient Hebrew.

793
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,680
It was ancient.

794
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:06,320
And so and it was kind of it was him getting these in journeys and dreams.

795
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,880
And I was trying to tell him, you know, figure out what they meant.

796
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,400
He didn't want anything to do with that.

797
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,920
I don't care about any of that.

798
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Well, I thought it was interesting and I went with it.

799
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,560
That's where I got off.

800
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:25,040
I started studying Kabbalah and in all the different the new sciences and things like

801
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
that.

802
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,840
And that's where I got the idea of the book and the new teachings and the whole simpatico

803
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,160
thing.

804
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:40,360
So and everything when people have dreams, they have visions, they have journeys.

805
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
I mean, it's all very subjective.

806
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:52,040
So I'm I'm not going to tell you what your dream is about because it's it's your dream.

807
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,040
It's not.

808
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:58,360
But I can tell you, OK, here's the symbolism or let's look up what is this archetype?

809
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,560
What does that mean?

810
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,840
Yeah, there's there's some dream dictionaries out there, I think that are pretty, pretty

811
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,840
good.

812
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,840
At least it's a guideline.

813
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,800
It's something that will get you working and unravel, you know, because we always have

814
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,840
to decode all these and nothing is ever just handed to you.

815
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Here's your full answer.

816
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,360
Right.

817
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,200
You got to do the work.

818
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,280
And if you don't do the work, you're not going to appreciate it.

819
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,280
Right.

820
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,120
It's your your own to appreciate and you're going to learn it more if you have to actually

821
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,360
do do some of the work, do some of the study.

822
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,520
No, it's like that time, AJ.

823
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,600
I called you like early in the morning.

824
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:45,320
I'm like, dude, I just woke up and I had this dream of this white stag with glowing antlers.

825
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,520
And I was like, I don't know what that means.

826
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,200
And you're like, I don't know.

827
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,200
So I had to look it up.

828
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,080
Being like that's supposedly a vision of Jesus.

829
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,240
I was like, OK, I was like, huh?

830
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,880
So I'm Jesus in my dream.

831
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,960
Yeah, I mean, it's it's your subconscious.

832
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,960
It's it's.

833
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Yeah.

834
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,440
And and you don't ever know what's going on in somebody's head.

835
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,840
I mean, if they don't even know, how are you supposed to know?

836
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,680
There are there are there are ways and there are ways.

837
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,760
It's like when I was talking about when I get into your energy field, sometimes, sometimes

838
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:31,360
I can get into that subconscious and help you out on that, you know, some insights on

839
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:37,080
but, you know, you normally don't want to get into somebody's subconscious because that's

840
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,080
a dark, scary place.

841
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Oh, yes.

842
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,080
Yeah, definitely.

843
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,080
I don't even like visiting mine.

844
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Yeah, you're right.

845
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Right.

846
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Exactly.

847
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,400
I can't imagine visiting somebody else's.

848
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,400
Oh, my gosh.

849
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,400
But yeah, no, you're absolutely right.

850
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,400
Chris, go ahead, my friend.

851
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,400
No, no, no.

852
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,400
You're good.

853
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,400
OK.

854
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,400
I have something in my head and I lost it.

855
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,400
Oh, that's all right.

856
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,400
So you're subconscious.

857
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,400
Oh, yeah.

858
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,400
I'm going to go ahead and get into your subconscious.

859
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,400
No way, Chris.

860
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,400
No, I'm just joking.

861
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,400
I'm just joking.

862
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,400
Yeah, totally.

863
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,400
No one wants to hear.

864
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,400
Right.

865
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,400
So, Steve, can you share?

866
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Actually, I'll wait.

867
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,400
I'll save this question for the end.

868
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,680
But one question I was going to ask you was what advice would you give to someone interested

869
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,920
in exploring shamanism or becoming a shaman?

870
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,560
What advice would you give to somebody?

871
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,480
If they say that they wanted to start this journey like you did and they're feeling it

872
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,600
in their heart like you did, what would you give them advice?

873
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,680
What would be your advice?

874
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,680
Don't.

875
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Don't.

876
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,680
Yeah.

877
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:45,280
I mean, I get that a lot.

878
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,280
And I don't really know how to because I have taken on people.

879
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,280
It's OK.

880
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,280
You know what?

881
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,880
You'll be the student.

882
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,280
I'm going to walk you through some of the things that I went through.

883
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,040
And you just you lose them.

884
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,240
Again, they just don't want to do the work.

885
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:10,480
So I mean, first of all, I said, man, this is what it's going to entail.

886
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,340
These are some of the things you're going to that's going to be required of you.

887
00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:20,840
Are you willing to really put in the work?

888
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:27,000
There's a lot of information on shamanism itself on the Internet.

889
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,600
And most of that's not going to change.

890
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,080
I mean, that's that's that goes that's historically just correct.

891
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:40,280
But I would say don't my my my big advice is learn everything about the traditional

892
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,760
shamanism, but don't get locked into that.

893
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:50,560
You have to be you have to grow traditional shamanism is archaic.

894
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,840
It's a closed system.

895
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,840
It doesn't evolve.

896
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,840
Open system.

897
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,280
It has to be you have to be more inclusive of other belief systems.

898
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:05,080
You have to be able to look at different different views.

899
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,160
And that's kind of what we're all about.

900
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,160
That's the book.

901
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,480
That's the TV show.

902
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,120
It's all about the diversity and its unity through diversity.

903
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Ironically enough, you know, it sounds like an oxymoron, but that's what it is.

904
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,080
It's a unit unification through diversity.

905
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,800
And that's where learning, reading, studying Kabbalah helped me understand a lot of the

906
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,800
shamanic concepts.

907
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:36,320
It actually, you know, and I would even see you see all the different all the different

908
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,320
religions and belief systems that all have their own little perspective or a little different

909
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,760
spin on things.

910
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,680
You need to look at that because you can take all these little pieces and start filling

911
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,480
in blanks and putting together that big jigsaw puzzle.

912
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,840
You can't do that with one system.

913
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,880
It just it's not going to work.

914
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,800
Would you tell someone just to gather up their own belief system from all the different goal

915
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,600
with what vibes with you?

916
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,640
You know, it's yeah, don't don't feel like you have to go a certain you don't don't fall

917
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:11,160
into the trap of somebody saying you have to do these certain steps to be a shamanic

918
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,640
practitioner.

919
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,960
Yeah.

920
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,160
Start somewhere to get your basics, but then color outside the lines.

921
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,360
Don't get out there.

922
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,240
Just don't be afraid and don't let people.

923
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,640
I think that's why organized religion fails because they they don't grow.

924
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,640
They do not.

925
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Yeah, yeah.

926
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,640
It is what it is.

927
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,720
And it's only that's as far as we're going to go with that.

928
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,720
You have to go.

929
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:36,720
Yeah.

930
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:39,680
Haley Stark says have more have more than one teacher.

931
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:40,680
And she's you know, she's right.

932
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,800
That'd be that's that's a great idea as well.

933
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,400
Thanks, Haley.

934
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Oh, hey, Haley.

935
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,400
Hey, Haley.

936
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,640
Yeah, she said she said that.

937
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,640
And hold on.

938
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,640
She's she said hello to before to you.

939
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,440
And she was laughing when you said don't when I first asked you that question, as you could

940
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,440
say, Haley, Haley studying the shamanism.

941
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,200
I'm not great.

942
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,280
Yeah.

943
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,240
I'm not sure exactly where she is on that or which way she's going with it.

944
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,240
But hopefully I'm going to see her soon.

945
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:12,240
And that is awesome.

946
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:17,440
Well, Haley, we wish you the best and we can't wait to see where you take it and what happens.

947
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,720
That's going to be an amazing journey.

948
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,280
And I I wish you the best.

949
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,280
So that's awesome.

950
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,400
Thank you so much for tuning in.

951
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:30,060
Steve, I wanted to ask you this question so badly from your time growing up.

952
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:35,960
Can you share a story or a legend from your tradition that holds a special meaning to

953
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,080
you?

954
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,080
If you have one, if you don't, that's OK, too.

955
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:48,320
I'm not a legend.

956
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,840
Say say a story or anything that resonates with you from your tradition as a shaman that

957
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,440
you can bring forward.

958
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,040
If you don't have one, that's totally OK as well.

959
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,560
I tell you, it's not it's a I was raised Catholic.

960
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:11,080
OK, so I mean, I mean, altar boy dinner with the bishop, the whole nine yards, like 12

961
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:17,720
years of, you know, of a Catholic school and so hardcore Catholic.

962
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:24,600
So, you know, the Catholic religion honors Mary.

963
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,000
And I've always had a problem with that because on one hand, I really truly do believe she

964
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,240
needs to be honored.

965
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:34,520
I don't agree with the way that the church presents her as the Virgin.

966
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,720
And yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:42,920
And I've always had a connection.

968
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Halfway through the I didn't get to read all that from.

969
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Oh, sorry.

970
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,120
She said halfway, halfway.

971
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,360
Yeah, halfway through my classes.

972
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,640
And she says, and thank you.

973
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,120
See you soon, Steve.

974
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,120
OK, yes.

975
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,440
That's my girl.

976
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,960
I love her.

977
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,880
So I've always had.

978
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,200
I don't know what to call it, but a connection, really.

979
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,160
A connection with.

980
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:16,000
Mary, the holy mother, my my mom's middle name was Marie.

981
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:23,120
So my sister's middle name was Marie, my daughter's name middle name is Marie, my granddaughter's

982
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,160
middle name is Marie.

983
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,800
And so but I kind of got away from all that because that was I I just didn't see where

984
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,200
that fit in where I was going.

985
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,480
And then I was talking to Sarah.

986
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,800
Martichy the psychic.

987
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Yeah, I did.

988
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,880
And she works with Mary and a lot.

989
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:56,320
And there was something about that that triggered something because I have always had like,

990
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,760
you know, the Beatles song, Let It Be.

991
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Yeah, yeah.

992
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,760
Right.

993
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,760
Mother Mary.

994
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,760
Yeah.

995
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,080
And that song always made me misty.

996
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,840
And I couldn't figure out why is like, what the fuck?

997
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,400
This is a good.

998
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:18,440
And then there was another Eric Clapton and.

999
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Here's Luciano.

1000
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,600
Oh, Jesus.

1001
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,600
The tenor, the famous tenor, the big Pavarotti.

1002
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,800
Yeah.

1003
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,440
And he would he would sing the holy mother and it would just I was kind of damn, you

1004
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,080
know, these songs are killing me.

1005
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,800
And so there's something then when I talked to Sarah, it's like, OK, she said whatever

1006
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,480
she said broke something loose.

1007
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:52,720
And so now I'm looking at bringing Mother Mary into the work that I do.

1008
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,400
I'm not sure how.

1009
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,400
I'm not sure.

1010
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,400
That is amazing.

1011
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:04,480
But, you know, after 60 years, I guess it's about time, you know, you can just see all

1012
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,040
these all these people on the other side.

1013
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,640
It's about goddamn time.

1014
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,640
He got this.

1015
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:10,640
Right.

1016
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:11,640
Right.

1017
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,640
I know that feeling.

1018
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,640
Trust me.

1019
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,960
Oh, my gosh.

1020
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,600
Our guys just look at us and just shake their head like, oh, my gosh, it's like a school

1021
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:20,600
run across the road.

1022
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,160
Like, what is he doing?

1023
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,120
So I told him that I know my guys probably have a headache every day when they watch

1024
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,120
my life.

1025
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Oh, yeah.

1026
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,120
You know, I'm pretty.

1027
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,120
That's good.

1028
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,120
Here's what you wake up.

1029
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've been through two or three guardian angels already.

1030
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Yeah.

1031
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,000
Yeah, exactly.

1032
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,640
Oh, no, y'all don't pay me enough for this guy.

1033
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,640
Yeah, exactly.

1034
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,640
Exactly.

1035
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,000
They resigned very quickly in my life.

1036
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000
I feel, you know, but.

1037
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Yeah, right.

1038
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,720
But, John, go ahead, my friend.

1039
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,280
Oh, man, this has been a great show.

1040
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,720
Steve, I can't thank you enough for coming back on, man.

1041
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,200
You've done awesome.

1042
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,920
And I'm so happy on your journey.

1043
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,240
Did you want to shout out your book real quick?

1044
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:12,040
And maybe some people would be interested in getting.

1045
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Yeah, let me show it to you.

1046
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,400
Yeah, yeah.

1047
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,400
Yeah, absolutely.

1048
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,400
Yeah.

1049
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,720
Thank you, everyone, for tuning in and watching and checking out.

1050
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:21,720
Thank you, Haley.

1051
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:22,720
Thank you, Nicole.

1052
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:23,720
Thank you, Sun.

1053
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,160
I feel like you ran away.

1054
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,440
Yeah, yeah, I feel you on that, Nicole.

1055
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,440
I feel you on that.

1056
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,440
Mind to shake their head every day.

1057
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,440
OK, this is it.

1058
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,440
Sympotic.

1059
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,440
Oh, yeah.

1060
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,440
Sympotic.

1061
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,440
I don't know.

1062
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,440
Where's the camera at?

1063
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,440
There it is.

1064
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,440
There we go.

1065
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,440
Sympotic.

1066
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,440
I like it.

1067
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:48,400
Which, you know, it's important means in agreement, it means in harmony with on the same wavelength.

1068
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:55,440
And that's the whole thing in the subtitle is reconciling the disparity of spirituality,

1069
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,040
ancient wisdom and modern science.

1070
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,760
Can they buy that on your website there?

1071
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,240
It's on Amazon.

1072
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:04,240
It's on Amazon.

1073
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,520
OK, that's the easiest way to do it.

1074
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:13,080
So you go to integrated shaman dot com and there is a link and you can read and actually

1075
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:19,320
you can go to you can go to my author page to there's a link on a different link on me.

1076
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Yeah.

1077
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,760
Chris, just put it right in the comments for you so everyone you can click that and check

1078
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:24,760
right out.

1079
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,760
I can't.

1080
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Yeah.

1081
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,080
So it's I mean, there's a lot.

1082
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,240
It's it's four hundred something pages.

1083
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:39,280
I think what I originally wrote to I wrote this book and I wrote a supplement and I decided

1084
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,160
I trimmed down the book and I combined the two.

1085
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,800
So it's actually it's two books and one.

1086
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:53,680
The last part is it's got the 72 names of God from Kabbalah, which I put my spin on

1087
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,320
what those were the names mean.

1088
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:04,720
So I mean, so it does tie into the book and the I have definitions of the higher evolution

1089
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,880
for those that are interested, like the angelic and all that.

1090
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:15,640
And a lot of that I got from the different sources with the keys of Enoch was a.

1091
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,640
Hey, Kimber.

1092
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,640
Hey, Kimber.

1093
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:18,640
Thank you so much.

1094
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,640
We really appreciate the compliment and huge hug, Steve, she says.

1095
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Huge, huge.

1096
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:26,640
Yeah.

1097
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,040
And I guess I should have been watching the band or the.

1098
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,440
Oh, no, you're all right.

1099
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,440
We put them up for you.

1100
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,720
So don't worry about it.

1101
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,880
But go on what you were saying.

1102
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,320
Yeah, you were going about the 72 or the 70 new names of God.

1103
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,320
Yeah.

1104
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,120
And that's at the core of Kabbalah.

1105
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:47,080
And I know that's not everybody's cup of tea, but.

1106
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:53,320
You know, shamanism and Kabbalah are probably the two oldest belief systems on the planet.

1107
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,320
So I just felt like those they went well together.

1108
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,760
And it's basically they explain one another.

1109
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,320
You know, I mean, the other third oldest is probably what?

1110
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,320
Wiccan witchcraft.

1111
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:12,160
And you know, it makes me wonder why we don't look back at these older religions and why,

1113
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,480
you know, we only look at the certain religions we look at now, like the major ones like Christianity,

1114
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,080
Islam, all that kind of stuff.

1115
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,800
And why we don't look at stuff that.

1116
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,760
Yeah, Nicole, we'll get Steve to come on your show as well.

1117
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:23,760
Yeah, yeah.

1118
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,760
Yeah, she's awesome.

1119
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,320
You guys will have such a great conversation.

1120
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,900
But it's amazing what I was going to say about how these older religions like they people

1121
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:37,640
don't think about the knowledge that also comes with those older type.

1122
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,800
You know, I guess you would call them religions or whatever you want to call them.

1123
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,360
You know, you know, I just like say, for example, Sumerian tablets and Sumerian texts and certain

1124
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,440
things like that, like we don't even look back at those things that we have written

1125
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:50,760
on stone, you know.

1126
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,480
And it's like, why don't we look at those things anymore?

1127
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,480
How come we we kind of show them to the side and now the mainstream has came forward?

1128
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,280
And I love how you're integrating older stuff with newer stuff and evolving the shamanism

1129
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:08,800
into your own way and making it evolved into this amazing, amazing spirituality experience.

1130
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,080
I really do love it.

1131
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,080
Amazing.

1132
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,080
Well, thank you.

1133
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,080
Yeah.

1134
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,760
And I think it's long overdue.

1135
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:23,520
And some of the ancient texts, I mean, the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, hardly anybody even

1136
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,520
talks about that anymore.

1137
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,960
And so I'm sorry, it's not that they're not even real.

1138
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Yeah.

1139
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:28,960
And, you know, I don't even care.

1140
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,680
There's a lot of truth there.

1141
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,720
There's a lot of stuff in there.

1142
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:39,480
I mean, Thoth is explaining concepts that are in relativistic theory and quantum physics.

1143
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,920
3000 years ago, I don't care who you are.

1144
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:43,920
That's pretty cool.

1145
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,320
And you need to be looking at that.

1146
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,320
Yeah, exactly.

1147
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,320
Exactly.

1148
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,440
Or like the Sumerian tablets, the Emerald Tablets, they all have the story that's in

1149
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:53,440
the Bible.

1150
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,440
Like a lot of the stories.

1151
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,560
That's what I was just going to say.

1152
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,840
I've taken a whole different look at the Bible.

1153
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,480
Of course, you know, the Bible has been edited.

1154
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,680
It's been butchered up since the Council of Nicene Constance.

1155
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,040
They got in there and the church rewrote.

1156
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,780
I mean, literally rewrote everything.

1157
01:01:12,780 --> 01:01:19,040
But still, when you look at the lost books, like the lost book of Thomas that has not

1158
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,040
been edited.

1159
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,040
Yes.

1160
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:27,360
And then a lot of the things that Jesus is talking and I start realizing the church is

1161
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
saying he's talking about this.

1162
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,320
And I'll say again, bullshit.

1163
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:32,320
That's not what he's saying.

1164
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:33,320
No.

1165
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,600
And I've been saying it for a long time to myself.

1166
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:36,760
He's yeah, he wasn't.

1167
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,760
Yeah.

1168
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,920
They they added that out for a reason.

1169
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,360
And I'm telling you, it is a reason because there's so much knowledge in that gospel of

1170
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,480
Thomas book, so much knowledge in that book of Thomas.

1171
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,480
And it's great.

1172
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:52,560
I mean, some of it, you know, the the famous, you know, are asking you and you will receive

1173
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,640
knock in the door will be opened up to you or seek and you'll find.

1174
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,680
And that's where it stops.

1175
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,120
And so I keep thinking, why is why are people not saying, well, is that as simple as it

1176
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,120
gets?

1177
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,120
Yeah.

1178
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,120
But yeah.

1179
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,200
But in the lost book of Thomas, he continues and there's more text there and he starts

1180
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:19,800
telling you the secrets of how you're supposed to ask and seek and find and manifest.

1181
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,160
He actually explains this, but the church didn't want you to know that.

1182
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,160
Yeah.

1183
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:31,280
Why is it up from when he's age 12 and then all of a sudden picks up when he's age 30?

1184
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,840
You know, it's like they don't talk about what?

1185
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,880
Yeah, they don't talk about how he went to Egypt.

1186
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,000
They don't talk about things.

1187
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,640
This was the time he was in Egypt exploring all these other religions and learning, you

1188
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,880
know, and that's what happened.

1189
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,880
They don't want they don't want to say that.

1190
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,880
No, no, because they knew because see, Jesus was a shaman, you see.

1191
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:53,880
Yeah.

1192
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:54,880
Oh, yeah.

1193
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,880
I know.

1194
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:56,880
I believe that I truly do.

1195
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,480
I mean, one thing that Shannon asked, she said, do you think that Jesus was like an

1196
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:05,040
alien or a hybrid, an alien hybrid, anything along those lines because of certain things

1197
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,800
that he was able to do with what they say in the Bible?

1198
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,200
Like, you know, say, for example, turn water into wine or all those certain things.

1199
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:17,040
Or do you believe that that's a symbolism that they use in those times to suggest something

1200
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,040
different?

1201
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,040
What would you think?

1202
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,040
I think that Yaheshua.

1203
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,040
Yaheshua.

1204
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,040
That's what I should have said.

1205
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,040
Yes.

1206
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:33,160
Yaheshua is one of the highest levels of being first created.

1207
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,000
So high, high evolution.

1208
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:41,160
In fact, if you're going to say, gee, Yaheshua was not God as in the Creator, but he was

1209
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,160
a God.

1210
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,160
He was a God, along with Michael and Samuel, Lucifer, the whole thing.

1211
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,160
And I love that story, by the way.

1212
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,160
Yeah.

1213
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,400
But anyway, no, I think that he was one of the first created.

1214
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,800
And as Thoth explains in the Emerald Tablets, the ones closest to the Creator are the ones

1215
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,600
with the most power.

1216
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:09,240
And so he fully understood, not to mention he had to go through the incarnations just

1217
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,080
like we did to learn and to be human.

1218
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,560
He learned what it was like to be human.

1219
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:19,280
But he still he realized that he was a God.

1220
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:26,640
And even the Catholic in the Bible, Psalms 82, 6, and I have said, you're God's each

1221
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,520
of your children are the most high.

1222
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,360
And so, you know, I dare the church to tell me that we aren't gods.

1223
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,880
And the Bible said, but I say, no, he wasn't an alien.

1224
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,280
He was a superior spiritual being.

1225
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,560
He came down here.

1226
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,360
He still knew his roots.

1227
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,120
He knew where he came from.

1228
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,700
And that's what he was saying.

1229
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:50,280
We have to put everything into perspective of the times when he says the father, that's

1230
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,580
just how they talk.

1231
01:04:51,580 --> 01:04:52,580
That was the symbolism.

1232
01:04:52,580 --> 01:04:54,360
The father was the wound.

1233
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:55,360
The father was God.

1234
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,600
And that's what he said.

1235
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:01,520
The Aramaic Lord's Prayer is much more than what the one that we say today.

1236
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:02,520
And I know.

1237
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:03,520
All right.

1238
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:09,720
Well, even for all this, there's the Anunnaki that was way before them, too.

1239
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:10,720
Yeah.

1240
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,280
And there are all these previous civilizations and stuff because they were masters long before

1241
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,280
Jesus.

1242
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,760
And I think we've had a series of masters that they keep coming every couple of thousand

1243
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,200
years hoping that we're going to pull our head out of our ass.

1244
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,200
Wake up.

1245
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,200
Yeah.

1246
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,920
And that just don't seem to happen.

1247
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:38,760
So I think we have we always I think Einstein may have been a higher level.

1248
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,800
Yeah, definitely.

1249
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:47,280
His message, Moses, and according to Kabbalah, Moses was a master.

1250
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,280
And the ranks of same and the thing is they figured this out.

1251
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:56,360
They figured out how to use the source was in reaching out to the source without to do

1252
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,440
these miraculous things.

1253
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,600
But once if we could ever reach that level, it's not going to be miraculous.

1254
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,520
It's going to be natural.

1255
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:07,520
Yeah.

1256
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,520
Yeah.

1257
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,520
Yeah.

1258
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Yeah.

1259
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:15,520
Yeah.

1260
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:16,520
Yeah.

1261
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,520
Yeah.

1262
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,520
Yeah.

1263
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:19,520
Yeah.

1264
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:20,520
Tesla is great.

1265
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,920
I mean, and some of the science some of these scientists just makes you wonder if they're

1266
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:23,920
human souls, really.

1267
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:24,920
Yeah.

1268
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:25,920
Yeah.

1269
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,920
No, it does.

1270
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,280
I mean, it's like Tesla stuff like that.

1271
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,280
He was so intelligent.

1272
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,320
I mean, especially he was so ahead of his time, just like Jesus was ahead of his time, just

1273
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,600
like, say, Mohammed was ahead of his time.

1274
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Peace be upon him.

1275
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,880
I mean, all those things.

1276
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,120
I mean, it's just it's absolutely amazing that, you know, like you said, every single

1277
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:48,280
time, you know, every thousand years, we have like one of these teachers or one of these,

1278
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,640
you know, spiritual beings that come down to try and wake us up and show us a new new

1279
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,640
way of thinking.

1280
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,360
And what do you think?

1281
01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,960
Do you think now that with the way that spirituality is involving now, do you think that maybe

1282
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:07,120
we as a consciousness as a whole, as the earth is actually finally growing and stay going

1283
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:12,040
to the fifth dimension, as some people would say, or you think that spirituality is evolving

1284
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,640
now to the point where maybe we may get it?

1285
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,080
Well, I mean, we're definitely doing better.

1286
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,520
We're still chipping away.

1287
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,520
Yeah.

1288
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,260
Still chipping at the tip of the iceberg because about the time everybody really gets their

1289
01:07:25,260 --> 01:07:29,000
hopes up, humanity does some stupid shit again.

1290
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,480
And so we always fall back into that trap.

1291
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:41,880
But yeah, and but I do think it does seem that more and more people are opening up to,

1292
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,600
you know, alternate beliefs.

1293
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,800
They're not organized.

1294
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:51,080
Religion is a comfortable thing for a lot of people, but it's disappointed even more

1295
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,080
people.

1296
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,080
It's let them down.

1297
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,280
And in fact, it may have even damaged them.

1298
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,280
Yeah.

1299
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,640
Well, you know, they they need something else.

1300
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,920
And that's where I hope we can step in, because it's like anything else.

1301
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,240
People take advantage of that.

1302
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:11,000
They see vulnerable people and all they see is dollar signs or attention.

1303
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,840
And they don't say they don't tell you the truth.

1304
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:14,840
And they don't know the truth.

1305
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,480
They don't really even care if it's the truth.

1306
01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:18,480
Yeah.

1307
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:26,760
And I think I've put in enough time and enough experience that I can at least start explaining

1308
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:35,120
some things because it's one of my goals is to debunk some of the spiritual misconceptions

1309
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,080
that are out there and to help explain that some of them.

1310
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,080
Yeah.

1311
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,080
He's had a mate with Mary.

1312
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,920
I think Mary Magaghan was Jesus squeeze.

1313
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,280
That was his name.

1314
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:47,280
Yeah.

1315
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,080
From what it says in the Lost Books, I mean, it does say in the Dead Sea Scrolls, too,

1316
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,240
you know, that they were, you know, they were a thing.

1317
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,600
And I do believe that.

1318
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,080
I honestly do.

1319
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:01,480
I mean, you know, but all the like all the texts that are not in the Bible, like, you

1320
01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:04,320
know, it makes you wonder why they took them out.

1321
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,680
But also when you read them, then you know why.

1322
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,240
And you're like, OK, it makes a lot of sense, you know.

1323
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,560
But I tell you what, thank you so much for coming on.

1324
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,800
I want you to please share one of the things if you'd like from either your book or you

1325
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:24,200
could share with everyone about your show and all that before you leave.

1326
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,560
We hope to.

1327
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,960
We hope that we're going to have future episodes, of course, for the other side.

1328
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:38,000
But that will be coming from Chris and her and the Creep Street and all that whenever

1329
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,760
that comes into effect.

1330
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,040
The book, I think you all enjoy it.

1331
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,080
Look at it on Amazon.

1332
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,080
Just put in my name.

1333
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,480
It's in Potico on Amazon and you'll get that.

1334
01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:51,400
Yeah, we put it in the comments, too.

1335
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,560
So guys, everyone could check it out.

1336
01:09:53,560 --> 01:10:01,840
And we are going to launch our podcast here, hopefully within the next two or three weeks.

1337
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:07,440
And it's also called some Potico Blurring the Lines.

1338
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:09,440
That's a good title, man.

1339
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:10,440
I like that.

1340
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:11,440
I love it.

1341
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:12,440
That's awesome.

1342
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:16,040
And that's what we want to do is we want to blur all the lines.

1343
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,000
It goes hand in hand with the TV show and the book, you know, to blur the lines of our

1344
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,560
devices thinking to stop looking at everything that's black and white, look at all the different

1345
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:27,720
diversity.

1346
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:32,600
And so, you know, and of course, I'll talk about concepts in my book, but we have Sarah

1347
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,920
Martucci, we have Amber Vance, we have Rebecca Wilkins.

1348
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,920
And so there's four of us on the show.

1349
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,360
So we're going to all have different perspectives.

1350
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,800
You'll have some perspectives from, you know, the old guy, the shaman.

1351
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,800
And then, you know,

1352
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,880
The wise one, the wise one.

1353
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:51,880
That's it.

1354
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:52,880
Yep.

1355
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:53,880
Master.

1356
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:54,880
Yep.

1357
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,040
And then we have the folklorist, the storyteller, Amber, the psychic medium, Sarah and the

1358
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:06,200
mystic Christian Rebecca, who is also learning the shamanic things.

1359
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,680
She's probably she's my right hand and she's going to learn a lot of the stuff.

1360
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:15,720
She's she's been the only one that has actually been able to stick with that path.

1361
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,720
Wow.

1362
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,320
So far, so that's going to be awesome to see.

1363
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,680
It's going to be it.

1364
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:23,840
I think it's going to be good.

1365
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,840
And it doesn't matter.

1366
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,880
I mean, we're going to take suggestions you want to talk about, because Sarah is a Big

1367
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,240
Foot fanatic.

1368
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,240
She loves Bigfoot.

1369
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,760
So we're going to talk about Bigfoot.

1370
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,960
We're going to talk about cryptids.

1371
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,520
I had to actually look that up because I didn't know what that was.

1372
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,880
Oh, that's going to be a good show then, because I know you're going to you're going to go

1373
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,800
off on it because you're going to do a lot of a lot of looking into it.

1374
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,520
And I can tell right now, Steve, you're going to go nuts into it.

1375
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,880
I'm going to love every minute of it.

1376
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:50,880
It's going to be great.

1377
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,880
We're going to have fun doing it.

1378
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,280
Yeah, that's awesome.

1379
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:55,280
That is awesome.

1380
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,400
Well, Steve, we stay in the background so I could talk to you at the end real quick,

1381
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,840
if you don't mind.

1382
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,680
But thank you so much for coming on.

1383
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:07,760
And once again, I want to I want to show everybody the little together promo.

1384
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:08,760
Yeah.

1385
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:09,760
Go ahead, Chris.

1386
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:10,760
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

1387
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:11,760
I was great to meet him.

1388
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,760
Yeah.

1389
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:13,760
Yeah, it's good seeing you again.

1390
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,440
And John, man, I'll have you say your goodbyes to real quick.

1391
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:17,440
Until you go.

1392
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:18,440
Thank you so much.

1393
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:19,440
Please stay backstage, man.

1394
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:20,440
I love hearing all your wisdom.

1395
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:21,440
Cool.

1396
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:22,440
So all right.

1397
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:23,440
I will see you in one sec, Steve.

1398
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:24,440
All right.

1399
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:25,440
All right.

1400
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:26,440
Wow, guys.

1401
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:27,440
So tell me, man, what?

1402
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:28,440
That face says it all.

1403
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:29,440
That face says it all.

1404
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:32,440
No, but I'm telling you, man, this is an amazing show.

1405
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:33,440
I love I love it.

1406
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:34,440
I love it.

1407
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:35,440
I love it.

1408
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:36,440
I love it.

1409
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:37,440
I love it.

1410
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:38,440
I love it.

1411
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:39,440
I love it.

1412
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:40,440
I love it.

1413
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:41,440
I love it.

1414
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:42,440
I love it.

1415
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:43,440
I love it.

1416
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:47,560
I love I love the way that Steve and all the group in general, when we had the other side

1417
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:53,480
on, how they view things and how they work together from all different aspects of life.

1418
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:55,360
And I think that that is absolutely amazing.

1419
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,760
And what Steve does is absolutely amazing.

1420
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,840
I think he's taking like like how he took his shamanism to a whole nother level and

1421
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:07,220
is adding into all this other, you know, type of spirituality stuff into it and evolving

1422
01:13:07,220 --> 01:13:08,220
it.

1423
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:10,780
Like you said, it's an archaic thing and he's evolving it.

1424
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:15,300
I think that's just so amazing to see because you don't see that from a lot of people in the

1425
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:16,980
aspect of that

1426
01:13:16,980 --> 01:13:21,040
you know what I'm saying you see a closed door where it just stays in this little box and

1427
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:26,400
It doesn't get out of that box where it's so great to see people who are evolving and getting on that box

1428
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:32,420
But what did you guys think it needs it needs to evolve into a new state because otherwise it will just go by the wayside

1429
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:34,660
To you so it's great

1430
01:13:35,060 --> 01:13:36,580
Yeah

1431
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:37,820
definitely

1432
01:13:37,820 --> 01:13:39,820
No, it's awesome

1433
01:13:39,820 --> 01:13:47,740
You know I think he's he's very wise and you know it just confirms everything that Billy's Carson saying

1434
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:52,620
So so it's I'm getting more and more answers like the questions that I'm asking in my head

1435
01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:56,800
And then you get these amazing guests that are answering these questions. They're like

1436
01:13:57,580 --> 01:14:04,900
You're not supposed to meet somebody like you're asking these questions in your head like he was talking about and you know, here's your answer

1437
01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:07,540
Yeah

1438
01:14:07,540 --> 01:14:09,260
Absolutely

1439
01:14:09,260 --> 01:14:13,500
Well everyone listen, thank you so much for tuning in everyone Shannon

1440
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:19,500
Nicole Haley just every single person that tuned in. Thank you so much. We truly appreciate it

1441
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:26,260
This was an amazing show. Make sure to check out talking with the source on your favorite podcast listening platform

1442
01:14:26,260 --> 01:14:28,260
We are on every single one that you can imagine

1443
01:14:28,780 --> 01:14:30,780
And we stream on eight locations

1444
01:14:30,780 --> 01:14:38,260
On live every Sunday at 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time as well as on Facebook at para post network central

1445
01:14:38,340 --> 01:14:44,060
But before we go, I just want to play the promo for Steve's team the other side that's on prime

1446
01:14:44,780 --> 01:14:51,420
Amazon prime and also para flicks. So here's one more time. Here's their promo. Thank you guys so much for guys

1447
01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:55,140
This has been another episode of talking with the source

1448
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:59,820
Spirit fingers where are you?

1449
01:15:06,060 --> 01:15:08,060
Are you afraid

1450
01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:11,980
That's not a human spirit

1451
01:15:11,980 --> 01:15:21,860
I still say he's got followers. Yeah, that's saying, you know isolation addiction. I just got a bad feeling about that

1452
01:15:24,860 --> 01:15:27,280
Were you ever a being of the light

1453
01:15:29,140 --> 01:15:34,180
Have you seen the girls just the energy of pain and anguish

1454
01:15:34,180 --> 01:15:39,580
It's like it's almost hard to breathe hey, I need to get out of here I'm giving you a warning not to go back down

1455
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:41,580
I'm giving you a warning not to go back down. I'm upset now. Okay

1456
01:15:41,580 --> 01:16:09,580
You