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What's going on everybody?
This is AJ Capasso here, host of Talking With The Source.
I'm here with my best friend and host, Jonathan Kieworth of JK 47 Paranormal Investigations.
What is going on my friend?
What's up dude?
Happy St. Patty's Day.
I got my St. Patrick's shirt on.
Oh, watch out, watch out.
I'm ready man.
Happy St. Patrick's Day to everyone who's on watching.
Hope you guys are having a great day.
Hope you guys are eating some corned beef and hash.
We have an amazing guest today, but first I want to shout out real quick Global Ghost
Hunt.
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You should do it.
I'm doing October.
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So shout out to Brian Laberty and shout out to Chris.
But guys, we have an amazing guest on today.
Her name is Kathy McDaniels.
She is an author of an amazing book that tells all about her experience when she had her
near death experience.
And we're going to bring her on.
She's going to tell a generalized kind of summarized story because you need to go buy
this book.
This book is amazing.
It tells in depth.
And I want you guys to check this out.
So let's bring her forward and let's talk about some near death experiences.
Hey, Nanda.
Here's Kathy McDaniels.
Hey, Kathy.
How are you doing?
Good.
How have you been?
Fine.
I'm a McDaniels.
So St. Patrick's Day is a big thing.
Yeah.
Awesome.
You eating some corned beefing hash today?
Not on your life.
No.
Well, thank you for not rubbing it in our face.
We appreciate it.
We wore green at least.
We wore green.
Yeah.
Well, not me, but yes, everyone else wore green.
Yes.
Yeah.
Why don't you tell us what happened?
Because you didn't wear green.
What do you mean?
I just don't have a green.
Oh, because I got written on my forehead.
Yeah.
Long story.
Yeah.
Long story short, I woke up with someone painting eyebrows and stuff on my face and eyelashes.
And my girlfriend thought it was funny to do it right before the show.
So yeah, it was great.
So we're a little late.
Yeah, we're a little late.
You know, first thing I want to ask you, Kathy, is I'm a near death experiencer myself.
And I wanted to ask you, when you had this experience, were you frightened?
Were you terrified?
Were you, did you feel loved like I did?
Like what did you feel during this experience?
Well, I'll fit right into your show here.
I was terrified.
At first, I really was.
I had been caring for a friend and got all run down.
So I got pneumonia that went into lung failure.
They threw me in a three week coma.
The doctor said, we're going to give you this amnesia thing that knock you out because we're
going to do terrible things to you and you don't want to know.
Yeah.
So he said, your brain's going to go offline and you will not be able to remember anything
that happens to you.
So boom, I went out.
And then I woke up and it was pitch dark and there was no sound.
And I had no idea what was happening or where I was.
So all I could do was just kind of float or whatever I was doing.
But then it turned, started getting a little lighter.
It got foggy.
It got hot.
It got smelly.
It got weird.
People moaning and screaming and everything.
And I'm thinking, oh no, what the heck have I got myself into here?
Yeah.
Where'd you go?
You know, that's what I'd be thinking.
It was not looking good.
So this horrible voice came out and said, do you know where you are?
And I thought, I thought, I thought, and I thought hell.
And then this thing just, kind of a laughing.
So freaked me out.
And I just took off running in the darkness.
And then I stopped because I didn't know if I was stepping a hole or run into a wall.
And then all of a sudden these bright lights came up and I looked around and I was like
in this bombed out city, like New York had been hit by a bomb and there were people running
and screaming and fires and it was awful.
And so tucked down in behind some concrete, trying to get my wits about me.
And you know, weird people were going by.
I thought I like this great big alien thing walk by.
I thought, wow.
But you know, so I tried to escape from that.
And as I climbed over a wall, I fell backwards and I thought, oh man, this is going to hurt.
And boom, the lights went out.
Then the lights came up and I had a number of situations.
This kept happening over and over and they get worse.
You know, the first one was a demon guy, big guy that wanted me to do one thing for him.
And then I could get out and that when they showed me this huge blackberry patch that
went on for miles and gave me some little paper cutting scissors and said, cut it all
down and I'll get you out of here.
And that didn't end well.
So when I finally said, cut it yourself kind of thing, he says, OK, it's just going to
get worse.
And then the lights go out and the lights come up.
It was it was on and on and on with one thing after another, things that I would not do
on the earth, you know, that I found were immoral or whatever.
They'd say, you just do that and then we'll get you out.
Otherwise, just despair because you're not leaving.
Well, I never felt dead.
I never you don't feel dead because you're you, you know, you're the body's like a car.
So I just wandered around on this road.
There was this one road and I spent a lot of time on that.
And then I would run into situations on the road.
The worst was the zombies.
All right.
It's hard to beat a pack of slathering zombies that attack you.
And then, oh, wait, hold on, because I wait, wait, hold on, because I have dreams, right?
That will last six to eight months sometimes, like episodes where I'll go to sleep and I'll
wake up where I left off the night before.
One of them, one of them was a six month zombie apocalypse dream.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
And like, I tell you what, so like, I know the fear of what you're talking about when
you're talking about seeing those zombies.
So I can't imagine what you witnessed being in a real situation like that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You know, I when I got back, I could go back and determine why all of these things happened
to me.
At the time it was happening, it was real.
And I mean, manifestation is a powerful thing.
And yeah, I was coming along the road and I could see it's never got light there.
You know, there's no stars, no, no moon, no clock, no mirrors.
So you can see if you're dead or not.
People ask me that all the time.
It's like a mirror in hell.
I think not.
But anyway, I saw these people milling around on my road, you know, and that was the only
road there was.
And I thought, well, crud, I got to get past these, whatever they are, because it's so
dim, couldn't quite make out.
So I thought, well, they're kind of lurching and limping and I then growling and stuff.
I know crud.
So anyway, I thought I'll just I'll just act like they are.
All right.
You know, slow myself down, limp, kind of kind of make noises and I'll just kind of,
you know, sneak through and get to the other side, get on my way.
I got about halfway through this group, there was probably 20 of them.
Some of them had they're all in rags, but like the women had like, I don't know, shawls
and stuff.
And and I got halfway through this group and they all froze.
Oh, now I got a freeze, but I think they've noticed something's different.
And of course, the ladies start ladies.
That's that's that's an expression that doesn't fit here.
But they move to the outside and then the guys are all coming all around me.
And this one comes up and punches me in the chest, knocks me back on my back.
Another one walked by and just kicked me in the side.
And then I you know, then they jumped up and they do what zombies do.
And their faces were like like lepers.
Their skin was falling off and and their eyes were all buggy and weird.
I mean, this was a horrible experience.
I don't want to get to detail.
Did you know?
Did you feel like pain?
Did you feel pain?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're you're you're alive.
You just feel alive.
And so finally, they backed off and this one came got his face right into mine.
And I noticed his cheek was starting to fall off and he had this horrible breath.
And he said, we all have AIDS and now you do, too.
And you can't die.
You're just going to get sicker and sicker.
So I sat there and and they finally backed off and a demon lady came and got me and said,
you're with us.
Come on, get your shit together and come along.
So you know, I mean, this is all real.
You know, it's just you think.
And how did I get here?
I'm you know, I'm not going to get up, get get give up.
I'm going to get out of here.
I am.
I'm a strong survivor.
And but this is starting to wear me down.
I mean, this felt like at least two years of all because there's no time and eternal
now.
So you can't tell.
But I kept thinking, you know, I'm getting I'm kind of losing hope here.
But anyway, she drags us through this immense tundra of snow and wind and snow.
It started on the just on the ground.
By the time we got where we were going, it was up to our chest.
There was probably 10 of us ladies that all had gone through the same thing.
We get to the shack in the middle of freaking nowhere.
And she opens the door.
There's the wind and snow is blown through.
There's no insulation.
The windows are cracked and she sits us all on the floor.
There's no furniture and we're huddled up there.
We afraid to talk to each other or cold.
And she says, OK, now we wait for customers.
What?
And we go, how could this ever get any worse?
You know, so I said, you know, I had to mouth off.
I said, you know, I've been here a while and this is particularly nasty.
Is there something going on that is causing this that I should know about?
And she says, well, it's Christmas on Earth.
That's always the worst day in hell.
And I thought, oh, no, that can't be right.
You know, no, that sound is so final, you know.
And I said, then I got mad.
I thought, darn it.
No, this isn't right.
And so I just started singing a Christmas carol.
I knew that would probably bugger crazy.
So I just started with a way in a manger and she shook her stick and yelled, shut up.
And then the other ladies kind of thought, ah, you know, got her coat.
So it was a way in a manger, no crib for his bed.
The little Lord.
And she jumped at me and I just closed my eyes.
And the lights went out and then the lights came up.
But this time the light was warm and loving and full of joy and bliss and sparkly white.
I'm tumbling around in this love.
Everything else you forget.
There's nothing.
Yeah, nothing.
Yeah.
Just this love.
And and oh, it was just so wonderful.
And it sort of settled down a little bit so I could not like a cathedral.
But everything was white, but a lovely white.
It didn't hurt your eyes.
And I looked over and a friend that I had been taking care of for nine months, we had
been engaged for six years and we'd gone our separate ways, but we were best friends.
He asked me to come take care of him.
He needed two caregivers.
He was having treatments for leukemia.
He died.
It broke my heart.
He died.
He died at age 33.
So he stand in there.
This is a month ago.
He's died and I'm going, Oh my gosh, you know, and he's looking great.
He's like giving me the yeah, this is great thing.
And I thought, Oh, he's not aware that he's dead, you know?
Yeah.
And I'm thinking he heard my thoughts.
Yeah.
So real quick, AJ, I just want you to write down at 1335 to 1345, there was a light anomaly
on by their, her head where the giraffe was.
Okay.
Something very white just shot.
Yeah.
It was really bright.
Yeah.
I've never had that happen before.
That's probably Pat.
That's the guy that died.
Oh, how exciting.
That is awesome.
I'm going to flip it for you.
Yeah.
Oh, that is so cool.
Honestly.
So anyway, there he goes.
He's standing there.
I think, you know, he doesn't know he's dead and he comes a little closer and I'm thinking,
this is so strange.
And I, I kind of caught something out of the corner of my eye and it, it was like this
big table with a huge book open about halfway.
And I thought he was showing me something in that book, but I can't remember what it
was.
Of course, when I get back, I realized it was probably, he was showing me my life.
I'm halfway through because he came up and he said, now Mary Kay, you've got too much
left to do.
And I thought, huh, they're throwing me out.
I said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Who wants to leave this place?
Are you kidding?
I just said, no, uh-uh.
You know, find something else, but this is not going to happen.
Boom.
The lights go out.
The lights come on.
Now it's too darn bright again.
And there's people milling about and I'm thinking, oh, good Lord, I'm back in hell.
But then this one person turns around and it's my daughter and she says, mom's back.
And I thought, what the heck is going on?
I couldn't move.
I couldn't do anything because I, you know, I had my trach in my throat, so I couldn't
talk.
I'm 86 pounds.
So I've got no muscle mass.
I could blink and move one finger.
And these people are all screaming and running around the room.
And I'm just, you know, I'm freaked out again.
And my daughter sits down and says, oh, mom, you've been gone three weeks.
The doctor said you weren't going to make it.
And my mom pipes up.
Oh, I had a prayer circle going around the globe.
We brought you back.
And I thought, you terrible woman.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
But, but see, isn't that weird?
Isn't that weird?
It was only three weeks.
But to you, when you were with the zombies and stuff, it felt like two years.
Oh yeah.
I was gone so long.
And then, yeah, it was like, it was like a movie.
It was like episodes that you were going through.
It was wild.
That was, you know what that was?
I really, I, you know, I was a Catholic born and raised class.
And from day one, I was told, you know, there's heaven, there's hell, there's purgatory.
You know, nobody goes straight to heaven.
I know Jesus died for your sins, but nobody goes straight to heaven.
Everybody goes to purgatory.
You get your little sins burned off and then you cure and you can go to heaven.
So I believe that I really did.
I was a good, good Catholic.
I had extra prayers, extra rosaries, all this stuff.
They would give you indulgences.
You know, if you got 300 days off of purgatory, if you said two rogeries on a Thursday, you
know, so I had, I thought it's a math thing, right?
I thought I had a big bank account of indulgences.
It didn't work.
Long currency.
I don't know.
It expired.
But so I, I think I know.
No rollover points.
No, no, no rollover.
I manifested that whole thing.
I really do.
I believed it so firmly that it would happen.
I did.
And I could go back.
It took me 10 years of worrying about this before I finally found a group where I could
talk to somebody.
But I took all the horrible things in my life and I can go back and I can tell you, I was
in a terrible earthquake in 1989.
Our town fell down, fires, people running, screaming everywhere.
All right.
That was the first one.
I can go to every single one of them and say, oh my God, that was this.
I took everything bad and I made it worse.
And I made my very own purgatory because there wasn't one.
So I also believe I plan my own life.
So I plan that I'm told that I'm a very brave soul.
I think is the expression.
And, and I plan that so that I could come back and tell people don't do that.
Yeah.
The trip.
God is all loving, all forgiving.
AJ, you know, you've been in that love.
There is no judgment, no nothing.
It's telling me, did it feel like a, cause it felt like me, like I was wrapped in a cocoon
of love.
That's what it felt like.
Yes.
Oh, you don't want to take it.
You just want to stay there.
I was so mad when I came back.
I was so mad.
I was like, why didn't you keep me here?
You know what I mean?
I was like, I did not want to leave.
No, you don't.
But you knew it was home.
You knew it was home.
It's home.
Exactly.
There's no other word for it.
You are home, but you had to come back.
I had to come back.
All these people have to come back and you've got a podcast.
I got a story.
I'm on your podcast.
We planned all that.
Exactly.
I believe it.
I believe we have a, like a lot, we do a lot of spirit communication work and they say
to us that we plan our lives.
We sit down, we have guides that guide us through our life.
Three of them through our life.
They said that our main, that we'll switch out in and out.
And then they also told us that, you know, like our lives, we sit down and have soul
plans with other souls to meet them in life.
Like I'm meeting you and other friends like John that I met through this podcast and all
this stuff.
And now I have all my friends that are all on the podcast on paranormal side and I have
like no friends where I live.
It's pretty funny, but you know, God is funny.
God is funny.
Like great sense of humor.
Yeah.
Great sense of humor.
Yeah.
It just makes your life so much easier.
You know, when I came back and I, you know, again, I'm in the hospital, I had to go to
rehab for a month to learn how to walk and talk and even go up downstairs for every,
forgot it.
And I'm thinking too much left to do too much.
What kind of a joke is that?
So it took 10 years to get to Ions took probably five years before I, I wrote the book, you
know, and then I thought, how am I going to get it out was COVID.
How am I going to get this out?
And then this gal, a cell, uh, here's the Salisbury calls from New Zealand and says,
I want you on my podcast.
I had no idea what that was.
I told her I didn't have the money to fly to New Zealand.
She says, no, no, no.
You know, so she had, she had had two near death experiences.
And so I got on that podcast and that, but you know, this is like number 135 in the last
two and a half years and I still got three more in the next two weeks.
So that's how God works this out.
We all, you know, we just, I love it.
You know, when that dawns on you, yeah.
And hurt you sharing your experiences, not, not being afraid to share what you experienced
and what you believe in.
And I really do feel like that source and the spirit coming through, just don't be afraid.
You know, it's up to them whether they choose to believe you or not.
Don't be afraid to speak your mind.
Yeah.
Now, one of the questions I had for you, one of the things that I remember from my near
death experiences, one, my life review and two, I remember that we are all connected
soul consciousness and one source.
Did you ever feel that way during years?
I didn't stay long enough to get a life review.
I feel jipped.
I mean, you know, I was waiting for you to get a life review.
Yeah.
I, I, people just love those.
And at first I thought, Ooh, that doesn't sound very good, but most people find it very
interesting.
It is because it's through the eyes of other people.
So like every experience that you've ever had, like negative or positive, you get to
see it from how they felt about you.
And it's very, it's very like humbling, but it's also very hard to watch yourself from
someone else's point of view, especially when it's a negative thing where like, I was mean
to someone when I was younger, it was a girl in elementary school who was a, she was a
bigger girl and she liked me and because my friends made fun of me for it, I made fun
of her.
And after I came back, I ended up finding her on Facebook and I ended up having a conversation
and apologizing to her for what I did in elementary school.
And she, she, she was like, she was like, Oh my God, you didn't have to do that.
But I remember that.
And I'm like, listen, I know that that moment shaped your life in a big way.
I was like, and I'm sorry for that.
And she, me and her friends now, and it's amazing, but if I didn't have that life review
and I didn't get to see the people I was hurting, like without even knowing, I was like, wow.
So now it's like just showing love to everybody is my biggest thing, you know?
You're right.
When I got back, I still, I had troubles.
I, I didn't want this to happen again.
And you know, I prayed really, really hard and I says, you know, I'm tired of the, thou
shalt not give me something positive I can do.
And it took a couple of months, but the, the, the, these things came in in twos.
It was be, Kathy, just be loving and kind, merciful and forgiving, encouraging, grateful,
non-judgmental and useful.
Yeah.
So that's my mantra, you know?
I like it.
You know, if nothing else, just strive to be loving and kind, get up every morning, say,
okay, today, no matter what, no matter who I run into, just be loving and kind.
And it changes the whole dynamic around you.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that helps with your manifestation.
You know, if you're manifesting this love and kindness, you're going to receive it back.
So you're only going to meet those good people and you know, it's a, you know, that's what
I think.
Yeah.
Have you ever heard, sorry, not to cut you off Kathy.
Have you ever, have you ever heard of the red car theory?
No.
Okay.
So when you were driving today, how many red cars did you spot?
I wasn't driving, but let's just say, you're out.
Let's just say five.
Five.
All right.
So randomly, you don't really know exactly how many, but if I was to tell you now, when
you left the house after this podcast to remember how many cars you would see, you would remember,
right?
Because you'd be looking for them.
Right.
So basically our opportunities and our luck and all that type of stuff, if we're looking
for those types of opportunities, those opportunities will actually show up in our life.
Whereas if we're not looking for them, like the red car, they'll be passing us by without
even seeing it.
So I think that manifestation works in the same way because the universe doesn't know
the word don't.
It just knows I want.
So it's not, I don't want, it's I want.
So even in the things that you don't want, you can manifest into your life.
You get what I'm saying?
Like, for example, like when I had my car before it got totaled, I had this thing in
my head that my tire was going to go, my tire was going to pop.
Well literally two weeks later, my tire popped.
I got into an accident.
I totaled my car.
It was wild.
It was totally wild.
Like it goes to show that manifestation is so real, but you have to be selective on how
you're actually doing your work.
Exactly.
The universe doesn't know the word don't.
I figured that one out the hard way.
Yeah.
And then being around people that are so negative, I can't do it.
I'll either say you stopped talking about the news or whatever politics or I'm leaving
the room.
I can't be in that negative energy, man.
No, no, it takes too much out of you.
Yeah, it does.
No, that's why I prefer to be silent and just listen, you know, absorb.
And then when something pops up, you know, kind of speak your mind, but be careful what
you say, you know.
Oh yeah.
Sure.
Yeah.
Now I wanted to ask when you came back, did you experience anything like I did where I
am now sensitive to energies?
I'm sensitive to certain things.
Have you experienced anything like that?
Oh yeah.
I remember about a year when I drive my car at night and I'd come up to a stop sign or
a stop whatever and they have those lights over the over the top of the cars.
They blow out every time they turn off.
People didn't believe me.
They'd get in the car and I said, get in the car, get in the car.
We come up to a stoplight and boom, the light goes out.
So that and you should go to a conference where there's five or 600 people like us and
nothing works.
The lights go out.
The sound equipment isn't working.
They can't get the projector on.
We've got one guy that just goes from room to room fixing the computers.
Wow.
You know, like tonight you had some problem with the electricity.
The last one I was on, we couldn't get the electricity to work.
We had, we were frantic.
We were going live and you know, the one with Kearstie, her whole block went out.
She says we've never had, she had to call me back and say, you know, I don't know what
happened.
All the power and the neighbor went out.
Because we had two of us there, I guess, but this happens all the time.
Yeah.
Well, tell me what's your theory on it?
Because my theory on it is I think when we come back, I think like we are given some
sort of, I want to say power in a way, but it's like we're given some sort of like extra
consciousness or something that we're given, you know?
So what's your opinion on it?
I feel the same way.
It's like you're kind of a powered surge or something.
Yeah.
And there's other things that come to like knowing what people are kind of thinking.
You sense their moods a lot more.
They, you know, they tell you one thing and you go, no, something wrong with your, your,
Oh my gosh.
That happens all the time.
Yeah.
All the time.
You know, you know, what's funny.
I was asking my, my spirit guys last night in my sleep, I said, I said, how, how can
I get into the energy?
And they said, they said, once you're in the energy, you can't get out.
Oh, cool.
I can't lose it.
So with both of your near life experiences, you, you are near death experiences.
You became energy and once you become less energy, you, you can't get out.
That's what they told me.
I'm kidding.
You're not.
And I think that's why they wanted me to spread that message.
But like I, like I said, though, is that, you know, the energy you put out, if it's
positive or negative, it will come out.
So once you tap into it, you can't get out of it.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, you're right.
No, totally.
Oh, my dad and people on the other side, my dad died three years ago and he is like here.
Every now and then he'll just flicker the lights no matter where I am.
Just to say he's, he's here.
He actually sent me an email.
What?
Yes, it was.
Oh, gosh, it's up on my wall right here.
I'm looking at it.
He died.
And then my mom's got dementia.
So I go, I go from here, Washington to California quite often to see her.
One time we got in a, in a argument because she, she forgets and my name is Mary Kathleen.
I was named after my grandmother, Mary, which was my dad's mom.
Then my mother couldn't stand her.
All right.
So I said, I'll let you name her Mary if we can put Kathleen after it.
After the song, I'll take you home again, Kathleen.
That's a St. Patrick's Day kind of thing.
And then we'll call her Kathy.
That's the deal.
And I said, okay, so anyway, I'm, I'm visiting.
My sister's there.
She writes me a check, Kathy McDaniel.
I says, Donnie, you got to put it in my legal name, Mary Kathleen.
And my mom says, your name's not Mary.
And I says, yes, it is, mom.
You know, dad named, I would never, never name you Mary.
You're not named out.
So I get home and I'm feeling kind of down about that.
I get, you know, you, you check your email.
There's my dad's email address and I open it up and it just says Mary.
Oh, my God.
And you tell me you definitely saved that email.
Oh my gosh.
That is freaky.
That happened to one of my brother's, uh, us Marshall buddies.
One of his buddies died and, uh, it was like a couple of weeks later, he got a phone call
from his number and he went to answer and it was, yeah, he took a picture of it and
stuff.
I was like, wow, dude, I heard of that happening.
You know, people, well, all of a sudden the number shows up.
Yeah, yeah.
They're energy so they can do anything they want.
That's why he does the lights and he, and plus if my mom and I are talking too long
and he knows I'm getting kind of tired, he hangs up the phone.
And then he did that, he's been doing that for months.
I go past seven 30, the phone goes dead.
Whatever it just goes click.
Real quick, flash your book up, show us your book.
Show me.
Yeah.
Show it up on the screen.
So that's the book you guys need to get.
This will have her whole explanation of everything.
You just got a taste of it today.
That's, that's where you need to get it.
And it's on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and you can even buy it on the website, right?
Absolutely.
And her website is down below, as you can see going across the screen.
But definitely check out that book because it is an amazing experience just from what
we heard today is absolutely amazing.
But you said you had other books that you wanted to show us too about other near death
experiences.
I've got a friend that wrote a book, how to escape from hell.
And he's he interviewed a lot of near death experiences that had the bad stuff and he's
he's gone through their experiences similar to yours.
Most of them are, you know, I mean, one way or the other.
I mean, every, every experience is personal, but scary stuff.
And I mean, there's only about four to 15% of the NDS are distressing and we don't come
forward because we don't want to talk about it.
I don't know about you, my mom says, what did you do to go to hell, Kathy, that we didn't
know about?
You know, right now, never mind.
You know, it's messed up is that when I when I went when I had my near death experience,
I died 12 times in the last time I was when I had my dear death experience, I was addicted
to opiates.
So it's so weird that I didn't experience a hell in my near death experience, because
you would think that someone who was sinning constantly, unlike yourself, you know, it's
like, why did you experience that?
And I experienced the loving aspect of it.
You're living it on earth.
Yeah, maybe.
You know, you needed a break, you know, maybe.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we planned it.
Well, when we get up there, it's gonna go, oh, man, why didn't I think of that?
Of course, that's why.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You know, because such good things happen out of those.
If you live long enough, you know, you have a disaster.
And then 10, 15 years later, somebody, this happens to me.
They come up and say, I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't run into you.
You know what I'm you know what I'm feeling.
You know, you you have this empathy that I can't get from anybody else.
So the empathy is a very important thing to learn from disasters in your life.
You'll always help somebody else.
Yeah, I always say there's there's light in the darkness.
And if you can't see the light, that's because you are the light.
Ah, like that.
Yeah.
That's nice.
That's the way I think of it.
So.
Yeah.
Well, there's a couple of books.
But what I also come to, you know, I didn't think there was really hell, but somebody
says, well, look, there's positive energy, there's negative energy, energy can't be created.
It can't be destroyed.
Where does it go?
Well, David, in his book, says he makes make a word of Egregor.
That's kind of where the the negative energy hangs out in somewhere.
And, you know, in the universe or on the other side and anyone that's really doesn't want
to give up that negativity, that sin, whatever you want to call it, they will drift and find
like likes like.
So they'll drift over to that little corner, wherever it is.
And they're always encouraged to raise their vibration to come up.
Help your super angels that'll go down and say, you sure you want to get out of here?
You know, I mean, nobody's ever forgotten.
But if free will, if you want to.
Yeah.
To be in that door, please.
You can do it.
When we were at Montana State Prison, me and John, we went there alone and investigated.
And it was just us, no other people.
And the spirits there were it seemed like it seemed OK.
So the way to describe like not being in your body.
No, well, the way to describe not being in your body is basically being pure thought,
in my opinion, because that's basically what it felt like.
And what I what I'm what I'm saying about this is these spirits were stuck in a loop
of depression from their negative thinking about how they were going to be judged by
God if they cross over for their actions.
So they were so terrified to cross over because of that.
And I obviously tried to tell them, like, listen, just God's not like that.
It's not like that at all.
Like this is just something that we read in religion.
It's not true.
And we were able to cross them over.
But think about that, though, if you're if you're pure thought and you get into that
negative mindset, negative thinking of your sins and all your regrets and all this stuff,
you're going to get into a depression loop, which is going to take away that light in
you.
And as you know, you're going to get farther away.
It's that quantum field.
It's those those those neutrons and photons.
It gets down to the essence of your vibration and your frequency.
That's what you put out.
You get back.
Yeah.
But nobody's lost forever.
I mean, no.
If you want to get out eventually, you know, God, like you say, God doesn't condemn anybody.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
So I wanted to also ask you, too.
So have you had any experiences where you've been able to see, feel or hear spirits since
you've been back?
Because I've had that experience as well.
I like I say with my dad.
Yeah.
I mean, but besides like flickering, have you like felt him in the room and stuff?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And so we just talk, you know, and I like, you know, anytime I lose anything, you know,
it's like, Dad, I gotta be somewhere.
Ten minutes.
Where's my keys?
And I just and then I see it in my mind and I go on in the black coat in the closet.
Now I remember he'll find anything for me.
He's just right there.
You know, we hang out all the time.
It's great.
Yeah.
And it's just me and my dad do the same.
I mean, he constantly comes through the spirit box and he died in 2020.
So I, you know, we me and him were real close and he's constantly coming through.
My new girlfriend got to actually speak to him through the spirit box the other night.
And it was pretty funny.
She was like, wow, I can't believe your dad actually came through the spirit box.
And I'm like, yeah, I said, that's my father.
Go anywhere he wants.
Yeah.
He's a big soul.
So, you know, but he said some things through mind for you.
How do you get a spirit box?
Amazon?
You can go to through Amazon.
It's called the PSB dash seven.
He asked me dash seven.
Yeah.
Looks like this.
Yeah.
It looks just like that.
Oh, I want one.
Yeah.
They're amazing devices.
I'm telling you with your with your energy, you'll be able to connect real easily.
So obviously, always protect yourself, obviously, before doing it by saying a prayer and whatnot.
And, you know, calling out all bad spirits to stay away and all that kind of stuff.
But as long as you protect yourself, it's an amazing device.
And I'm telling you, you're going to want to check it out for sure.
Oh, yeah.
OK.
Well, prayers.
All right.
Making notes here.
Awesome.
Well, it's so nice to meet you guys.
I'm telling you.
It was nice to meet you as well.
And thank you so much for coming on.
If you could, please shout out again where everyone can get your book and where everyone
can see you on your next podcast and all that.
That's a lot.
There are lots of YouTube's and stuff out there already, about 100 and something of
them.
So just use my name.
And then the website is the same name as the book, Misfit in Hell to Heaven, expat.com.
And then if you get on there, there's a place if you want to ask me a question or stuff,
it'll go right to me.
And then the book is Anywhere You Buy Books.
And I'd love to talk to people.
I've met people from all over and some people that like live two blocks away.
I was in Costco and some lady comes.
I got my cart and I'm leaving and she comes running out of the and I thought, oh, my God,
she's going to steal my purse.
So she came running up.
She goes, you're somebody I know.
And I said, I am.
She says, you're famous.
I know you're famous.
And I thought, famous me?
And she's like, oh, my God, I saw your podcast.
And she's jumping up and down.
I said, she's she's she's she's she's.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, but isn't that the best feeling though?
She was just so happy.
You know, I'm so glad I met you.
You're so cute.
I had I went to an emergency like one of those walk in emergency places and I was getting
something checked and the lady saw my hat and she saw talking with the source on the
hat and she goes, oh, my God.
She goes, wait, you know, talking with the source.
I said, I'm the host of it.
And she's like, oh, my God, I listen to your podcast every day.
And she's a doctor.
And I'm like, oh, I'm like, I'm like, yes, sugar, mama.
Yes.
No, no, just joking.
But yeah, no, but I was like, I was shocked because it was in my town and I'm like, how
did you find me?
You know, so I was driving on the highway and there was a dump truck behind me.
All of a sudden I get a message on on Instagram of all places, the place I never post thing
because I always forget about it.
And he says, you're JK 47.
I'm right behind you.
I was like, oh, thank you.
I love you, girl.
But Kathy, thank you so much for coming on.
We really, truly appreciate it.
And I want to definitely have you on again soon.
So I would love to have you on.
We'll definitely schedule it.
And I have all your information.
But thank you so much for coming on.
I really appreciate you.
Yeah, we had I just had a blast.
Really awesome.
Yeah, I want to review it.
I want to see that light anomaly.
I know I got to see the light.
That's so we're going to we're going to clip that.
Okay.
Thanks.
And send me a link.
I will.
Okay.
All right.
Good seeing you, Kathy.
Take care.
You too.
Wow, man.
Let's get back to the regular.
Yep.
And yeah, man.
So we had an amazing show, dude.
I tell you what, she is an amazing person and her near death.
Her near the death experience story.
She only shared a real little bit with us because you have to get the book.
You have to read it.
It's if it's not made into a movie, I'm going to be very shocked because the stuff that
she experienced in it is wild.
I mean, I read a little bit about it and I tell you, it's an awesome story and it's an
awesome experience.
Yeah, I agree, man.
She's amazing person.
I can't.
That was amazing episode.
I love today.
Today was a great day.
Definitely, man.
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