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Hi, it's Melissa.

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And it's Heidi.

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So the first one for this year is April 25th to May 5th.

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So that is four days with multiple teams each day.

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Sign up your team.

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Please.

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Yes.

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You want us to see your investigation.

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You want us to see your location.

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Yes.

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Stick with us.

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That's what we're here for.

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We're here to talk about the team, to share the locations, to enjoy paranormal investigation.

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We are very excited to be the brand ambassadors for Global Ghost Hunt.

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We're also very excited to do this.

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This will be our third time.

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So we're really excited about doing this again.

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We're excited to see all teams come back.

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We're excited for the new teams who are signing up.

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There are two packages.

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You guys got to check out which one's good for you.

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Get your team, get your location, sign up.

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What's your name on previous Global Ghost Hunt?

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I'm not already familiar with that.

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Well, if you check out the previous year's investigation, you just go to Global Ghost

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Hunt YouTube, on Facebook.

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If you want to check out everything you want to know about Global Ghost Hunt and find more

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information, just go to GlobalGhostHunt.com.

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Yes.

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You can.

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Ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, six, seven, eight, nine, nine, nine, nine, nine,

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What's going on, everybody?

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Hey, Jacob Paso here, host of Talking With The Source.

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I'm here with one of my best friends and other hosts, Jonathan Keyworth of JK47 Paranormal

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Investigations.

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What is up, brother?

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What's up, man?

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How are you?

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Good, man.

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Good.

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I had to do a little scream in the beginning, a little what?

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I was going to go with a little clap, golf clap, but I was like, no, let's go big.

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We have a great, great team coming on.

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What's up, Nando?

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How you doing?

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Thank you so much for checking it out, brother, and for everyone else that's in the room watching.

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We have an amazing team on today.

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They're called The Other Side.

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They're on Paraflex.

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They're also on Amazon Prime.

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They're an amazing team, amazing group of people.

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I can't wait to bring them forward.

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But first, we have a teaser video of their team, of their work, and I want to show that

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So let me play that right now for you guys.

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Where are you?

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Are you afraid to cross over?

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That's not a human spirit.

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I still say he's got followers.

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Yeah, that's saying get out.

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Isolation, addiction.

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I just got a bad feeling about letting whatever that is out.

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Were you ever a being of the light?

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Have you seen the chaos?

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Just the energy of pain and anguish.

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It's like it's almost hard to breathe.

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Hey, I need to get out of here.

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I'm giving you a warning not to go back down there.

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I'm upset now.

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I felt like every door that you pass, there was something's going to reach out and grab

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I'm scared.

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No, I say no.

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But we're here to get answered.

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Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, welcome Regina and Steve of the other side.

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How are you guys?

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Good.

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How are you?

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Great.

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Thank you so much for tuning in with us and coming on the show.

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We cannot thank you guys enough.

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We're happy to be here.

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So first thing I wanted to ask was, Regina, I know that we talked in the back and I know

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you have your own paranormal team.

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You kind of started the other side.

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Please talk a little bit about how you got into the paranormal first and how you got

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in touch with Steve and how all this began.

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As I said, as we were talking before, I've been a paranormal investigator for 14 years.

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I always had an interest in it as a child.

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I had many experiences, but my love for the paranormal didn't really start until 14 years

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My sister committed suicide and she started coming to me in dreams, leaving me messages

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and signals and signs that she was around and actually went on my very first ghost hunt

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at the Stanley Hotel in Estes, Colorado, where they filmed The Shining.

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And I got an EVP of a man that said my sister's name and my sister's name was Nikki.

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So it was not like a common name.

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So I knew at that point that this was something that I had to do.

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This was a calling.

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It's been a journey and I never really knew what people talked about when they had a passion

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for something until I started in this field.

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So I started my journey.

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And several years ago during the pandemic, when it very first started, I had this idea

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like we have so many people that communicate with spirit in different ways.

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Why are we all not working together?

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Yes, these TV shows bring mediums or they bring other people on, but why are we not

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all collectively working together to find answers?

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Because I communicated one way being an investigator, Steve communicates in another way being a

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shaman.

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So why aren't we working together to see if what I get on my equipment is the same as

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what somebody else gets?

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So I was lucky that my friend, Chris Martin, has a production company and was looking for

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an idea for a new show.

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I presented it to her and we've just started down this road and it's been amazing.

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So our casting crew consists of two paranormal investigators.

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Steve is our shaman.

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We have a tarot card reader, a medium, a bone reader.

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Haley is our intuitive.

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We're adding a hoodoo practitioner and the list is just going to go on and on to see

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if we all can get into these locations and get the same answers and get the same results.

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That is amazing.

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I want to first say I apologize for your loss.

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That is a very hard thing to go through.

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I've lost recently a friend who suicide unfortunately a couple of days ago and it's a very hard

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thing to go through and I couldn't imagine losing someone as close as you did.

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But I am in a way I'm thankful that she was able to come through to you because it brought

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you down this path and brought you to getting to meet you.

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So I'm thankful to her for bringing you forward.

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So thank you.

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I'm sorry for your loss as well.

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Oh, thank you.

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Thank you.

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But please finish on what you were saying.

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I apologize.

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No, no, it's fine.

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It's just with this show we're hoping to set out obviously a different type of paranormal

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show.

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But we also want to bring education and awareness to people that they're just because someone

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speaks a spirit in a different way.

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It's not all what Hollywood is about.

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It's not all evil and demonic and everything else.

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Yes, you run across those, but we want to bring people who have a curiosity in some

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of these fields.

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Oh, we also have a Wiccan witch, I forgot to add that as well.

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So if someone is interested in something by watching the show, hopefully you'll give them

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more education and someone to relate to as well.

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John, please go ahead, brother.

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No, man.

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So this first time I've ever we've had a shaman on the show.

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So Steve, what is a shaman, man?

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Can you break it down for us?

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And how is your spiritual journey going?

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You know, shaman, the definition of a shaman and the traditional ways and the archaic ways

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are quite different than what a shaman is now.

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It has expanded or at least it should.

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The shamanic practitioner has to get out of that box that it's been in for so many years.

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And you know, I listened to AJ and Regina talk and I guess my journey actually started

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with a death as well.

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But when my mother passed is when I had a big awakening and in shamanic tradition, we

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do go through a shamanic death and a rebirth.

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I went through that or I had two near death experiences and actually crossed over and

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communicated with who I am guessing is an angelic or my guides.

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And so I knew that you can't argue that you can't argue that once it happens, you know,

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it's real.

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A shaman, though, at least where I come from ultimately is a seeker of truth.

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And that means usually going ironically enough to the source, you know, like that.

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And because that's where the truth comes from, not from books and everything else.

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So I have I did my shamanic apprenticeship and I learned all the traditional ways.

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But I've expanded on that bringing in from outside sources.

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Like Regina says, you know, we shouldn't shut anybody out because everybody out there has

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a kernel of truth in their belief system.

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So I bring in Kabbalah, I bring in all kinds of different beliefs into the shamanic practice.

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I've never done a paranormal investigation until this show, which was a little different

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because I'm used to helping the living deal with their spiritual issues, which often involves

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past loved ones that have passed and things of that nature.

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But I've never actually, I guess, directly dealt with the other side until the show.

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So I put a whole new span on where I was and where I was going.

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I've learned so much.

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And I've picked up all these different from Pauline from the Wiccan Witch, which, as I

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have recently seen, they expected her and I to have a clash because I'm not sure why.

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But her and I got along so well and we figured out, we saw there was so much in common that

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we and we learned so much from each other when we became quite close.

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And it just I'm a big believer in this blurring the lines.

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And I wrote a book, Sympotico, on the same wavelength and agreement and to explain that

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ancient wisdom and spirituality and science are all speaking to the same thing.

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Amen.

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I tell you what, you guys could not have said it better than anything.

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I mean, that is one of the biggest things that I love to talk about in this show is

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bringing everybody together to work together.

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I am so tired of seeing in this field.

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We try to bash each other or take advantage of each other or try to use for viewers or

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for followers to become the next Zach Bagans or whatever they want to become.

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And it's so sad because it's like, if we put all of our knowledge together, we would be

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so much further in this field, I believe, than we are.

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And it's just so great to see a team like yourself bringing all of this together.

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And then you yourself, Steve, having your background as being a shaman and being able

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to work with, say, a Wiccan witch or like you said, a bone, what did you say it was,

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a bone reader?

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Bone reader, bone thrower, bone thrower like that.

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And to be able to be with these other people that you may not agree completely with.

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But like you said, they do have their core truths to it that you could learn something

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from maybe.

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So it's like you take what you can and you leave the rest.

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And I think that that's so important for us to do in this field.

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So I love that.

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I think that's so awesome.

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So yeah.

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Yeah, Steve, so when you when you help people, what's your method?

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What do you do to help them out with their spiritual energy?

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You know, there's not one cookie cutter answer to that, because everything I started with

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shamanic healing, which is an energetic healing.

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And so I do I do vibrational restoration, energetic shock, very energy based healing.

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Very energy healing of people, because that's that during a trauma that is recorded in your

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energetic bodies, you know, and that does become then manifest physically into other

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things.

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But I really focused on the ancient shamanic soul retrieval, which is the equivalent of

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psychological equivalent of dissociation, where people lose pieces of themselves to

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the point where they're no longer functional, they're no longer the same person.

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And I help bring that back and restore that back to become whole again.

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I do help people with I guess the whole the whole point of that is really to heal the

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trauma, whatever that trauma is, it's the loss of a loved one, if it's abuse, if it's

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neglect, it's whatever that trauma is.

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I do that Vulcan mind mill to get into their energy and read back because they're not even

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really most of the time, they're not even really clear on what the trauma is, because

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when they dissociate, a lot of the memories go with them.

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And so I go in there and and see what's going on, where it started, because that's what

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has to be healed.

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You could go get your chakras balanced and everything once a month, but until you heal

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that wound that's causing it, it will just keep coming back.

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And behold, if you can't behold, I mean, you're that's the whole point.

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That's why we're here is to grow and evolve.

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I totally agree.

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I totally agree.

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Regina, I wanted to ask you now, being in the paranormal for 14 years, what has you

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have what have you seen throughout your time being in this field that has frightened you

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to your core?

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Is there anything?

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I mean, are you talking human beings because they frighten me?

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No, human beings are always frightening.

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I'm talking ghost wise, like research wise.

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Most people scare me more than the dead, but I have had one terrifying experience that

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I did have several years ago.

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I was at St. Albans in Bradford, Virginia.

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I don't know if either of you have been out there.

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It was an old, the same asylum.

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It was a boy's school.

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And I actually had something enter my body and take over.

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And that's the first and only time that I've ever had that happen.

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So my memory of it is very vague.

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It was only nine minutes and 38 seconds that I was in that room.

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And I only know that because my recorder was on.

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So yeah, something actually entered my body and I don't remember leaving the room.

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I don't remember anything that happened in the room.

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I had two other investigators with me.

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They said they called my name several times.

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I did not respond.

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It sounded like I was in a tunnel.

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Like I could hear them.

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I could hear them doing their spirit box session, but they were very, very far away.

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And they said when I did turn around, my face was not my face.

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I looked completely different.

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And next thing I remember is being outside the building, walking around in the parking

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lot.

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So I literally lost time.

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So I'm fairly convinced that something entered me.

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That's creepy.

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That is a very creepy thing.

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And I couldn't imagine the feeling of that.

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Like what did you feel as it entered you?

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Did you feel anything or did it happen just so quick?

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I didn't feel anything.

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I just kind of felt like I was entering a tunnel and everything just went black and

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I could still hear them, but they kept getting farther and farther away.

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So it wasn't like a jerk reaction where, you know, like on movies and TV where it enters

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your body and you make all these kind of jokes or whatever.

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No, it was very, very subtle.

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It was like falling into a hole.

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The reason why I asked that question was because for me, Steve, as you said earlier about you

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had near death experience, I did too as well.

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That's how I got into this field.

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I was a recovering heroin addict and I died 12 times.

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And the last time that I died, I remember everything of where I went, what I saw, the

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beings, everything and who I spoke to.

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And it was a very extreme experience.

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But the reason why I asked you that, Regina, is because from my experience when I crossed

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to the other side and remembered everything, it was like I literally was just here and

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I went to sleep and I was gone.

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And I was just there.

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It was not like something different.

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So I wanted to find out when something entered your body, was it like you just went unconscious

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or was it a slow reaction?

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So when you said, yeah, it was like a tunnel and they were getting farther and farther

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away, I know exactly what you meant by that.

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But yeah, that's so crazy.

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I can't imagine.

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Have you ever went back to this place?

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That was the second time that I had been there and I have not been back.

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And like I said, that was the only time in all my years of doing this that that has ever,

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ever happened.

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And it is a scary experience because you have no control over it.

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But again, we're working in a field that we're asking things to come towards us that we don't

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know what they are.

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So you always have to be mindful.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Steve, were you with her during this event or were you friends with her at this time?

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Not at that particular event.

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But I mean, I can say that I mean, that happened.

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That happens a lot more than people would like to believe it happened.

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And Regina's case, I mean, it was like a full on almost an attack.

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Most of the time, it's most of it's really an insidious process where they they they

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work their way in suddenly and gradually.

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And that was that's actually part of my training, though, is to deep possession work to to be

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able to remove these things that influence or even possess you to take to take those

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out and remove them from other people, because it is a scary thing.

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And you lose.

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It does.

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It takes over.

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It can take over to where it's not even you anymore.

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Yeah.

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No, I know that experience.

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I had an experience with the Ouija board before I got into this field.

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I was 15.

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I challenged whatever it was that was on this board that was negative, like an idiot.

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And I was like, oh, yeah, me and my friend with all these kids around, like, let's take

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our hands off the plan.

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Just a little bit, see if it moves on its own where we're not touching it, because

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I don't believe in any of this at the time.

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I was not even a believer in God.

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And whatever followed me home from that thing in that plan, she had to move without our

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hands on it in front of 14 other kids.

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I was I it affected me for over five years.

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It literally gradually mentally broke me down to the point where I had to get locked up

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in a mental hospital for a couple of days because my family was dying.

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I thought I was going to either kill myself or kill them and myself.

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It was that bad.

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My anger would be going nuts one minute on my family, on my grandparents.

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And the next minute I'd be crying my eyes out for no reason.

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I'm like, what is going on with me?

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Like and it was just like this slow thing.

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And then once it finally I finally went to a cleansing once, you know, got all the thing

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that I need to do to get it out of me through at a church, through a minister.

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It was like this weight was lifted off me.

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And I never experienced that feeling again.

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I tell you, I feel like I have a residue left from it, like a feeling of something left

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from it, from just an attachment in general.

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I don't know if that's something that's common, Steve, is that or is that just something maybe

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I'm just thinking?

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It's kind of hard to say.

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Yes, there can be residual effects.

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And you and I probably need to talk.

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Sounds like you had some, you know, salt retrieval and some other things.

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But yeah, I mean, in some and a lot of times people, when you're open up to that, Regina

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alluded to that you almost in people do invite them in a lot of times and don't even like

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the Ouija board.

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You invited that thing in.

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Yeah.

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And you have to be able to shut that out too, because just because you get rid of one thing

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doesn't mean another one's going to come slide in behind it.

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So you know, you have to do there's protocol.

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I mean, I'm not there and there are more.

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I know that my methods, I have my message of doing it.

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I'm sure in the church, of course, has its own message to do and things like that.

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And you have to watch it, though.

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We have to make sure because it's I did a basically an exorcism some years ago when

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I was training and I didn't really I wasn't really ready for it.

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But that's part of the training and it wrecked me.

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I took a six month sabbatical just to recuperate from that.

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So it's not something to take lightly.

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No, no, definitely.

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And you know, it was funny because when if I knew then what I know now from being in

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the field for like almost 10 years now, I would have never done what I did then.

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I would have never challenged any of that.

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You know what I mean?

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But I really thought it was all hogwash.

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I thought it was just a bunch of nonsense and like everything like angels, demons, all

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that.

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I just thought all of it was just folklore when I was a young kid.

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And just because of losing a family member when I was younger, I was mad at God or whatever.

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And I wanted to be revengeful or an anarchy type punk rock kid.

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And I definitely learned my lesson very quickly.

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And that's something that this field does teach you if you don't show it respect.

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God likes to hand your ass to you sometimes.

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Oh, oh, yeah.

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So and that's what a lot of people don't don't realize when they watch these shows.

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It's like there's there's a protocol that has to to be performed.

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You know, as you'll see in the show, I mean, we say prayers.

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Steve does his stuff over us with with Sage.

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And I don't want to give all the details away because we'd like everybody to watch the show.

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You know, when you open up equipment, no matter what it is, whether it's paranormal equipment,

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a Ouija board, whatever, it's a communication device.

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It has to be closed.

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You have to cut that cord and tell them they're not allowed to come through.

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They're not allowed to follow you home.

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You're not allowed to attach yourself to anybody.

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And that's what the movies and TV's don't show.

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It's like, OK, you open this up and then everything comes flying through.

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And it just is like, OK, you have to take the steps to do that.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I think the thing is, even and I like the protection and all that, it's all great.

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But there's always that one time where an entity or whatever will disregard and break

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those laws anyway.

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I was about to ask that.

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Yeah.

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And of course, I mean, that actually makes it a little bit easier to to remove them because

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they've broken laws.

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But still, yeah, you have to be so careful, so cautious on opening and closing.

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And I don't I love that we've had we put up protection before we went on the investigation.

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We did cleansing after the fact.

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I don't know if most teams do that or not, but they should.

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I think they should.

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Yeah, definitely.

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So before, Steve, you were you were talking about your spirit guides.

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And that's something I firmly believe in is that we're assigned spirit guides and their

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help.

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They're here to keep us on our path.

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Do you do you call on your spirit guides when you go on these investigations to help protect

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you or what do you think about your guides?

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What do you do to bring them into your methods?

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I ask everybody I know to come in to protect me and my team at all.

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I mean, so, yeah, I work in my work.

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I have over the years I have earned the blessing to work with my guides, my power animals,

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some levels of the angelic and the higher realms.

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And I call on everybody to protect us.

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Because you never know if you're going to walk into.

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Yeah.

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No, amen to that.

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I mean, me and him, we even we he asked for his ancestors.

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I asked for mine.

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I asked for even the Native American spirits to give permission to come to a location when

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we go to one.

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We get on the ground.

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We do our little ceremony that we do for ourselves and for the spirits and ask permission and

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then we go into the location.

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And we found that doing that has been really producing a lot of evidence for us, you know,

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because we're being so respectful, you know, and that's really what it's about is that

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that respect and your intent that you go into these places.

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Yeah.

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I had I mean, it's kind of a funny story, but it's really not.

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It's really, really kind of a tragedy.

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But I did have one paranormal team that did some sort of ceremony to.

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They wanted to open up so they would have a very successful and exciting investigation.

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And they did.

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They I bet they opened up.

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They opened up some kind of vortex and all kinds of things came through and they were

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all just it really got quite nasty.

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And of course, they were calling me.

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You got to help, you know, remove all these things and to close that vortex.

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So we go back to you got to close.

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You got to close.

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But they opened up some really nasty things.

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And so the people that dabble in any of this, I mean, they were again, knowledge, learning,

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don't jump in and do something silly or stupid.

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I mean, I felt really comfortable in our investigation because everybody seemed to really kind of

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know what they were doing.

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You know, like they there was enough experience there.

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I'm about to say, yeah, expertise there.

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And so even though none of us were experts, yeah, we have experience and we still continue

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to learn and we know enough to cover our ass going in.

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And the respect is huge.

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When you respect spirit, spirit respects you.

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Yeah, I certainly believe that.

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I truly believe that with the bottom of my heart, it's all your intention.

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You know, if you're going in there to try to get the presence of I mean, you just opening

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yourself up to a whole world of hurt.

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Right.

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Right.

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Now, I wanted to ask both you and Regina first, Regina, I want to ask you this.

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How does it make you feel when you see other teams or even teams on, say, YouTube or wherever

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you'd see them like go in and start using provocation?

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How does that make you feel personally as an investigator being for 14 years and someone

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who goes in with respect and really respects this field?

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How does it make you feel?

482
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:33,420
Because I know for me, it bothers me when I see that because it's like one, yes, I understand

483
00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:38,780
what you're doing, but also knowing that, you know, deeper down that these are souls,

484
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:42,020
these are human beings, these are just us, just not in the physical.

485
00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:44,520
It's like you're really berating someone's family.

486
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,180
But what is your personal opinion on the matter?

487
00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:49,140
I never go in provoking.

488
00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:55,220
Yeah, I'm in the mindset of, you know, 90 percent of these locations that we go into,

489
00:29:55,220 --> 00:29:56,900
these were human spirits.

490
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,360
You know, you need to be respectful of them.

491
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,340
They were people, they had lives, they had families.

492
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:07,660
So again, it comes down to the respecting the spirits that are in the space.

493
00:30:07,660 --> 00:30:12,740
And we tend to get a lot more activity, like you said, if you go in with an open heart

494
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:17,300
and open mind and treat them like they like you'd want to be treated as a human.

495
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,780
You know, a lot of them don't know that they're dead on the other side.

496
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:23,260
A lot of them don't know that they're stuck in a location.

497
00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:28,500
So we can get answers and help them, but they're willing to communicate to us because we're

498
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:29,500
showing them respect.

499
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:31,780
I mean, that means everything.

500
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:36,100
So no, provocation is not really the way to go.

501
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:38,660
I mean, again, like you said, I understand why people do it.

502
00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:42,260
You know, ghost hunting and this is the thing.

503
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:48,060
Ghost hunting is not what you see on TV, as you know, it's a lot of hours sitting around

504
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:50,220
doing nothing.

505
00:30:50,220 --> 00:30:51,220
Nothing's happening.

506
00:30:51,220 --> 00:30:55,420
But we all live for that one moment where it's, you know, five, 10 minutes of everything

507
00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:58,420
blowing up and voices and shadows and footsteps.

508
00:30:58,420 --> 00:30:59,420
And that's what keeps us going.

509
00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:00,420
Like fishing.

510
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:01,420
Yes, exactly.

511
00:31:01,420 --> 00:31:04,300
You know, a lot of people say it's comparable to fishing.

512
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:06,300
So yeah, yeah.

513
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,780
Again, I think it all just comes down to respect.

514
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:10,780
Absolutely.

515
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:15,420
And Steve, how about your personal opinion on provocation?

516
00:31:15,420 --> 00:31:18,380
That's a hard no on the provocation.

517
00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:26,380
And in addition to the respect, there needs to be a compassion.

518
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:31,900
Because if you're in a gear, I understand you want the answers, but what's the old saying?

519
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,180
Get more flies with honey.

520
00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:34,180
Right.

521
00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:37,980
And so you show the compassion, you show the respect and you really have to kind of bear

522
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:43,900
in mind, too, that a lot of these locations that you go to, these spirits are getting

523
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:47,660
hounded by investigators daily.

524
00:31:47,660 --> 00:31:48,660
They get taught that.

525
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:50,180
I mean, they're war out.

526
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:51,460
They're looking for the real deal.

527
00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:56,780
And if they see and they do, they sense and they know the real deal.

528
00:31:56,780 --> 00:32:02,540
And I think that's why we were successful, because we went in there in the right mindset

529
00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:07,300
and the right intentions and the right way.

530
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:11,780
You know, it's so funny how you just said that, that the last thing you said about spirit

531
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:15,260
and the way that they act, what you just said, I can't remember the words you just said.

532
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:18,140
I can't believe I just had a brain fart there.

533
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:21,540
But it's funny that you said that, because when we went to Montana State Prison, me and

534
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:26,060
John, I believe Jerry Miles up in I think that I believe that was his name, right?

535
00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:29,420
Jerry Miles was the one we were that we had the cat balls going off, John, all the time

536
00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:31,380
up in the death tower.

537
00:32:31,380 --> 00:32:33,980
It was wild and working with him.

538
00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:34,980
Yeah.

539
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:40,260
Working with that spirit, you know, he saw that we actually wanted to help and he was

540
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:43,940
setting off every device talking through the spirit box like crazy.

541
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:48,460
I mean, on command, it was just so amazing to see.

542
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:49,460
And you're right.

543
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:51,540
I think they do see this is what you said.

544
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:53,260
They do see the real deal.

545
00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:56,780
And then they do see people that come in that are just there to make them do magic tricks

546
00:32:56,780 --> 00:32:57,780
for them.

547
00:32:57,780 --> 00:33:02,500
It seems like, you know, like it's a circus for them, you know, and I, and I, I understand,

548
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:07,220
like I said, I understand why people enthusiasts do go in and they don't have the same mindset

549
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:11,180
as like us who like actually want to look at this as a research and, and really look

550
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:13,740
at this as a very serious aspect.

551
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:16,580
There are people that go in that don't have that and I get it.

552
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:19,940
But you know, like you said, these are people that we're dealing with.

553
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:22,180
This is not just a spirit.

554
00:33:22,180 --> 00:33:25,140
It's actual human beings and you have to show that respect and love.

555
00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:29,820
And I, I do believe, like you said, they see the real and they see the fake and you definitely

556
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:31,700
know the difference for sure.

557
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:37,860
And sometimes you do have to explain to them that they are dead.

558
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:39,980
They don't realize it.

559
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:44,420
And they don't understand and they're lost and they're confused and, and so that, you

560
00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:47,300
know, they need someone to explain all that and walk them through it.

561
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:50,140
And if it's appropriate, you know, you cross them over.

562
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:51,140
Yeah.

563
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:56,060
We had with the Jerry Miles thing, we had the guy literally like say to us, like he

564
00:33:56,060 --> 00:34:00,340
was scared to cross over because he was scared God was going to judge him.

565
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:03,300
And I'm like, no, like that's not how it is.

566
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:04,940
Like it's not that way.

567
00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:05,940
Calm down.

568
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:08,620
Like, you know, we're trying to like make them understand, like, listen, what's what

569
00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:12,900
you learned in our physical life is a little bit different than what we were told.

570
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,620
You know, I was like, trust me, I crossed over on the other side.

571
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:17,180
I didn't get, I didn't get yelled at.

572
00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:19,300
I said, so don't worry.

573
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,820
Well, even the thing that pissed me off was when we first got there, the lady said, you

574
00:34:23,820 --> 00:34:28,540
got to sign this waiver and in the waiver, it says you cannot cross over the spirits.

575
00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:32,340
I'm like, who are you to say that we can't do that?

576
00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:34,300
I'm like, how are you going to prove it?

577
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:35,300
Are you going to sue me?

578
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:40,140
But I crossed the spirit, I was like, I'm going to help spirit if they need help.

579
00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:41,140
Like I'll know.

580
00:34:41,140 --> 00:34:42,140
I told you.

581
00:34:42,140 --> 00:34:43,140
Right.

582
00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:44,140
That's because you're messing with their income.

583
00:34:44,140 --> 00:34:46,620
They're making money off of it.

584
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:49,340
And that's why you're using them like monkeys.

585
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:51,340
You know, that's horrible.

586
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:55,460
What I said to the lady was I said, what if that was your grandmother or your mother in

587
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:57,420
there or your child in there?

588
00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:00,380
Would you want them stuck there just because you're making a buck?

589
00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:05,020
And who's to say that even if you did cross these spirits over, their energetic footprint

590
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:06,180
is still in this location.

591
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:07,180
Right.

592
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:10,620
So who's to say that they wouldn't say, come back to that location?

593
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:14,860
Not saying that they don't want to stay there, but I'm saying like, who say that they wouldn't

594
00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:15,860
come back for a memory?

595
00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:16,860
You know what I mean?

596
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:20,940
Like at least they get a chance to leave and have that free will again, instead of being

597
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:23,420
stuck and knowing that they're not staying there.

598
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:28,540
I mean, because I've had spirits come to me and personal at my house and say, thank you

599
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:29,860
for helping them cross over.

600
00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:32,180
And it's just an amazing thing to hear.

601
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:36,180
You know, we had this little boy, David, come through and we found his grave at the cemetery,

602
00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:38,100
the children's cemetery and everything.

603
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,620
And he came through, said his full name.

604
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:42,940
And then he came through a couple of weeks later at my house and said, thank you.

605
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:46,580
And it was just so amazing because when we go back to this place, he'll come through

606
00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:47,580
sometimes.

607
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:50,780
And it's like we released them, but he still chooses to come back here.

608
00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:53,980
So it's like, I don't think it's going to mess with the income of these places.

609
00:35:53,980 --> 00:35:58,620
But people are so twisted and don't have the knowledge to understand, like, you know, you

610
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:00,420
got to let these people go.

611
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:06,460
Like, that's the whole point of death is to, you know, not be stuck with these negative

612
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:07,780
emotions and stuff anymore.

613
00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:10,780
You know, the baggage.

614
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:15,560
You know, I've I mean, I've wondered about that because it is kind of a gray area.

615
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,860
You are dealing with someone's income and you are and you are dealing with someone else's

616
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:20,860
property.

617
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:21,860
Yeah.

618
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:24,700
The souls and the spirits, they are their own entities.

619
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:25,700
Yeah.

620
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,780
It's a hard.

621
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:30,700
It's a conundrum of, you know, because it is.

622
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:36,540
But I mean, as far as I'm concerned, if the spirit, the soul, spirit itself, please help

623
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:37,540
me.

624
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:38,540
Yeah.

625
00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:41,340
I think that kind of overrides everything.

626
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:42,980
That's the way I look at it.

627
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,380
That's the way I look at it.

628
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:47,460
Would you not help someone in the living form that came to you?

629
00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:48,900
And it's like, I need help.

630
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,540
I mean, that's that's what Steve was talking about with the thing of compassion.

631
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:53,540
Yeah.

632
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:56,540
It's like, you know, we have to have that for the spirit world as well.

633
00:36:56,540 --> 00:36:58,020
Amen to that.

634
00:36:58,020 --> 00:37:03,500
I mean, if there's any doubt, you turn the camera off and do your thing and it's done.

635
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:04,500
Exactly.

636
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,780
I mean, I end up telling the lady at the end, I'm like, you know, I cross spirits over.

637
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:10,580
If you want to get mad at me, sue me, whatever, do what you got to do.

638
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:13,260
I said, I'm all about reserving these locations.

639
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:15,220
I'm all about preserving the locations.

640
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:17,500
I am not against that one bit.

641
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:21,900
But to hold and say that you can't cross the spirit over if the spirits begging you, that

642
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:23,420
I see is wrong.

643
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:25,180
So that's where my gray area comes in.

644
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:28,660
And like you just said, Steve, you know, with the soul ask for it, that kind of overrides

645
00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:31,140
to me everything I do try to listen.

646
00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:34,380
Obviously, like when they asked for no Ouija boards or none of that stuff, obviously, I

647
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:39,660
wouldn't be stupid enough to do any of that there or, you know, whatever any other guidelines

648
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:40,660
that they had.

649
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:41,660
I don't mind doing that.

650
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:45,140
But when it comes to crossing a spirit over that's asking for help, it just touches my

651
00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:47,220
heart and I can't say no to that.

652
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:48,220
Yeah.

653
00:37:48,220 --> 00:37:49,220
Yeah.

654
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:50,220
Yeah.

655
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:52,220
We are totally about preserving the locations for sure.

656
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:56,660
Well, you it's interesting that you mentioned the energetic blueprint.

657
00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:58,100
And I see that a lot.

658
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:01,860
And I don't think a lot of people understand that is that's not a spirit.

659
00:38:01,860 --> 00:38:03,860
That's not a soul.

660
00:38:03,860 --> 00:38:06,620
That is an inner residue.

661
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:07,620
Yeah.

662
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:10,900
And I don't know if that picks up on equipment.

663
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,340
Regina, do you know?

664
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:14,820
I was just going to ask Regina.

665
00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:17,500
Yeah, you've had that experience as well.

666
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:23,060
Well, I mean, there's a thing called the stone tape theory where it's residual energy that

667
00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:27,300
just repeats itself depending on the location.

668
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:29,460
And yeah, it just is on a loop.

669
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:33,060
It just it's going to happen whether we're there or not.

670
00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:38,420
So I mean, but a lot of people think that, oh, I've caught something or I've got this

671
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:39,420
or got that.

672
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:43,020
It's like, no, it's going to happen whether you were there or not.

673
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:44,020
It's residual.

674
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:45,020
It's just an imprint.

675
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:49,820
It's just, you know, it's like watching the same movie over and over again.

676
00:38:49,820 --> 00:38:52,140
But that's your equipment.

677
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:55,340
Register that.

678
00:38:55,340 --> 00:39:01,740
You may pick up on sounds like through recorders, but it's not going to interact with you intelligently.

679
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:03,220
Yeah, not intelligently.

680
00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:05,740
So it may pick up some of the things.

681
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:07,620
It may not pick up all of the things.

682
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:08,620
Yeah.

683
00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:12,260
There's a place here in Colorado where this guy's stuck on a loop.

684
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:17,780
It's called the Riverdale Road and you go to this parking lot and you stand in the northwest

685
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:22,820
corner of this parking lot and you just stand there and you wait like 30 seconds and then

686
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:24,640
you'll start getting real cold.

687
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,660
And then right in the gravel, you hear you hear somebody run right past you and then

688
00:39:30,660 --> 00:39:34,420
it just starts over again and just it just keeps doing it.

689
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:36,700
You can't like you can't interact with it.

690
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:43,380
I mean, it's so weird to feel and hear that energy happening.

691
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:44,860
You know, that brings up a good question.

692
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:49,520
I wanted to ask you this, Regina, as and Steve as well, too.

693
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,620
So do you think that spirit like that say that if that's a residual, say haunting or

694
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:56,620
whatever.

695
00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:57,620
OK.

696
00:39:57,620 --> 00:40:00,860
But do you believe that a spirit can be put on loop like that?

697
00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:06,680
And because of the traumatic death that they might have had and until they cross over until

698
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:07,780
someone helps them cross over?

699
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:11,380
Or do you think that type of loop stuff is really just don't take theory and it is a

700
00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:12,980
residual haunting?

701
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:13,980
What would your guys opinion?

702
00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:17,300
I would hope they're not stuck in the loop.

703
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,540
Yeah, I really would hope that.

704
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:22,160
I hope it is just residual.

705
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,380
So I would I would tend to lean more towards they're not stuck there.

706
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:27,620
It's just something that's just happening.

707
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:28,620
That's what I figured, too.

708
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:29,620
That's what from all of my experiences.

709
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:30,620
That's what I figured.

710
00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:31,620
How about you, Steve?

711
00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:32,620
What do you think?

712
00:40:32,620 --> 00:40:35,180
You know, I'm not real sure.

713
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:36,980
I mean, I think it's possible.

714
00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:38,780
I think anything is possible.

715
00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:39,780
Yeah.

716
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:40,780
OK.

717
00:40:40,780 --> 00:40:47,060
For example, and of course, we're going to go to some extremes, but if it's the result

718
00:40:47,060 --> 00:40:53,500
of dark magic or a curse or something along those lines, it could literally be a soul

719
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:54,500
that is in prison.

720
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:58,060
It's stuck in that.

721
00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,060
Time space time.

722
00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:00,060
Yeah.

723
00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:01,620
No, I mean, it's possible.

724
00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:03,740
One hundred percent.

725
00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:09,180
That's kind of a whole different scenario where you have to deal with the dark.

726
00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:10,180
All that, too.

727
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:14,500
But I would say that's a.

728
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:17,780
That's an extreme and rare, of course, situation.

729
00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:22,340
But I mean, look at quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement now that we're all learning

730
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:23,340
about.

731
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:27,180
So that quantum realm is like everything we're now learning about energy, wavelengths, all

732
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:28,180
that type of stuff.

733
00:41:28,180 --> 00:41:29,180
It's possible.

734
00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:30,520
I mean, I wouldn't see that not being possible.

735
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,700
But like I was telling Regina, I haven't personally came across something like that yet.

736
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:37,420
But who is to say that it's not not possible?

737
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:39,820
You know, because I mean, but like you said, is that an extreme?

738
00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:41,300
I mean, probably definitely.

739
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,020
But I say, why not?

740
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:44,020
Right.

741
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:49,700
You know, I mean, you can't you can't exclude all possibilities have to play out.

742
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:50,700
Exactly.

743
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,420
What physics and everything else.

744
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:54,420
So it could happen.

745
00:41:54,420 --> 00:42:01,900
And I think I think some of the mistakes people make are they don't believe in the darker

746
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,980
side of things either.

747
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:10,580
That could be there are curses, there are spells, there are things out there that bind

748
00:42:10,580 --> 00:42:13,340
living and the dead.

749
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:17,740
I think we saw that at the prison.

750
00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:20,100
Some of that was was energetic blueprint.

751
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:25,580
Some of it was spirits or souls that were just basically imprisoned in the prison or

752
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:29,540
stuck there for whatever reason.

753
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:31,380
And so you never know.

754
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:32,420
You never know.

755
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:39,540
And what we encountered in these investigations was that darker side there for several times.

756
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:44,980
There was a darker entity and you can't trust what they tell you.

757
00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:49,260
You have to figure it out on your own.

758
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:52,540
So you're always going to agree.

759
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:53,540
Yeah.

760
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:54,540
Sorry.

761
00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:55,540
Sorry.

762
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,540
I didn't mean to cut you off.

763
00:42:56,540 --> 00:43:01,460
I just I thought it was interesting that, you know, because in my experience when we were

764
00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:08,340
doing this, it's like you had to be thinking on your feet all the time and ready for whatever.

765
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:11,420
And it was it was it was a great experience.

766
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:12,420
I loved it.

767
00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:16,980
You know, a whole different spin on just everything.

768
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:17,980
Yeah.

769
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:18,980
No, definitely.

770
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:21,020
I totally, totally agree with you, man.

771
00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:22,860
Totally agree with you, Regina.

772
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:23,860
What do you see?

773
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:24,860
Sorry, John, I'm happy.

774
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:25,860
Ask question.

775
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:26,860
What's that?

776
00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:28,260
I just want to ask you this question because I'm going to lose it.

777
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:32,420
If not, I want to ask you, where do you see the other side going?

778
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:33,420
What is your goal?

779
00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:36,340
Like what is in the future for you guys?

780
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:38,220
Please talk a little bit about it.

781
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:40,580
Well right now, we're in the state.

782
00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:41,580
We're self funded.

783
00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:47,420
So, you know, we have to raise enough money to be able to film more episodes.

784
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:51,700
We do have a spot fund out on our Facebook page and our website.

785
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:55,780
So if someone feels like donating, we'd love that.

786
00:43:55,780 --> 00:44:03,060
But right now, the producers are in looking into different locations and they will not

787
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:04,680
tell us what those locations are.

788
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,340
They want us to be surprised when we go out to do filming.

789
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:08,980
They don't want us to be able to do any research.

790
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:12,940
It's just going to go us going in blind, which I would prefer anyway.

791
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:18,460
But so we're in the process of again, raising enough money to film eight episodes for a

792
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:20,540
full first season.

793
00:44:20,540 --> 00:44:25,500
And then we're always looking for new cast members, people who have different abilities,

794
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:30,980
think outside the box, different religions, anybody that you think would mesh well with

795
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:34,060
our current cast that we have now.

796
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:40,260
And again, it's like Steve said, blurring the lines and trying different ways of communication.

797
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:44,420
You know, obviously Steve communicates in a different way than I do.

798
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:46,340
Our Wiccan witch communicates different.

799
00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:48,340
Our tarot card reader gets information different.

800
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:50,380
Our medium gets information different ways.

801
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:54,660
And like I said, we've added a bone thrower, which a lot of people are, I don't even know

802
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:56,580
what that is.

803
00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:58,140
I was about to ask you that.

804
00:44:58,140 --> 00:45:02,820
That was my next question after John asked something, but please keep going.

805
00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:04,800
We've added a hoodoo practitioner.

806
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,400
So again, it's people who are speaking to spirit in different ways and we're blurring

807
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:14,260
those lines and educating people that, you know, this is not all what people see in the

808
00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:15,260
movies.

809
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:17,420
This is, we're real people.

810
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:19,020
We want to communicate.

811
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:23,020
We want to find answers and that's what we're in search of.

812
00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:25,740
So we're in the beginning stages.

813
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:26,740
Long answer to that question.

814
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:28,020
We're in the beginning stages.

815
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:31,140
We have one episode out now.

816
00:45:31,140 --> 00:45:36,540
Our episode is on Paraflex and Amazon Prime.

817
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,860
It's called The Others with an S side.

818
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:45,060
So we'd love for anybody to go out there and take a look and let us know what you think.

819
00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:46,060
Absolutely.

820
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:47,060
I'm checking it out, man.

821
00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:49,340
After this, I'm going to go watch it.

822
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:53,780
I got my TV already set up, so I beat you to it.

823
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:56,020
But no, I'm super excited for you guys.

824
00:45:56,020 --> 00:46:00,020
And I can't wait for more episodes because I know that what you guys are bringing to

825
00:46:00,020 --> 00:46:05,820
the table for this field and for people to see on TV, which is so very important, I believe

826
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:07,640
is everything you guys are doing.

827
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:14,340
Just bringing every group of culture, religion, faith, belief, anything you can think of together

828
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:16,300
in really making it just work.

829
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:21,180
And I think that that's so awesome of all of you guys to have an open enough mind group

830
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:25,820
of people to get them together to actually work together because a lot of people, their

831
00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:26,940
egos kind of clash.

832
00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:31,240
So it's amazing to see amazing people like yourselves keep doing what you're doing.

833
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:32,580
So keep up the great work.

834
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:34,540
John, please go ahead and ask the next question.

835
00:46:34,540 --> 00:46:44,060
I was just going to ask Regina, being an investigator for so long, what is your go to piece of equipment?

836
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:47,780
What equipment do you have to have on every investigation?

837
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:53,100
Well, first and foremost, the best piece of equipment that you can have for anybody out

838
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,140
there is your own body.

839
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:58,460
Listen to your body, feel the things that are happening to your body.

840
00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:00,540
They'll let you know that something's around.

841
00:47:00,540 --> 00:47:05,340
But my number one go to piece of equipment is the dowsing rods.

842
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:10,820
There's it's not there's no electronics to it as spirits, older spirits are something

843
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:12,380
that they can relate to.

844
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:14,380
It's not something that's going to hurt or harm them.

845
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:15,380
It doesn't light up.

846
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:16,380
It doesn't make noise.

847
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:18,820
It's very, very easy to communicate with that.

848
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:21,140
And we do use that in the episode.

849
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:24,660
So you will see us use dowsing rods quite often, at least for me.

850
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:26,740
I will always be a lover of them.

851
00:47:26,740 --> 00:47:27,740
I got mine.

852
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:28,740
Yeah.

853
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:30,100
Yeah, I got mine too.

854
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:31,100
I love them.

855
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:32,100
I think they're great.

856
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:33,100
I mean, it's one of the best tools in my opinion.

857
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:37,060
And it's so great that you said dowsing rods, because every time we have somebody on, it's

858
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:40,500
always an electronic piece that they always come up with, which I think is awesome as

859
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:41,500
well.

860
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:45,700
But I love when someone comes on and has, you know, our what we would call archaic pieces

861
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:46,700
that we use.

862
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:47,740
You know what I mean?

863
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:49,620
Because those, in my opinion, are still the best.

864
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:52,120
I mean, look at the Panasonic DR-60.

865
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,120
People love that recorder.

866
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,100
I mean, it's the oldest recorder out there.

867
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:57,740
But you know, they say that it's the best for the EVPs.

868
00:47:57,740 --> 00:47:59,300
I mean, do I agree?

869
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:00,740
And in a way I do.

870
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:02,340
Do they have the best quality?

871
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:03,340
No.

872
00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:05,220
But still, I think it works out pretty good.

873
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:07,860
And I think those type of pieces of equipment are the best.

874
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:10,020
But like you said, nothing beats your body.

875
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:11,020
Right.

876
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:12,220
Dowsing rods are easy to use.

877
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:13,980
A lot of people are skeptical of them.

878
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:17,620
But I always like, I'm so willing to hand them over and say, here, you do it.

879
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:20,020
Here, you feel the spirit pull them apart.

880
00:48:20,020 --> 00:48:26,060
I've even done investigations where I'll hold one stand next to an investigator and they'll

881
00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:29,500
hold one and say, how can we fake this?

882
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:30,500
They're crossing.

883
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:31,500
They're pulling apart.

884
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:39,780
So, you know, it's using them in a different way to prove that we're not doing it.

885
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:41,540
You know, I never thought about doing that.

886
00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:44,300
That's really awesome to have another investigator hold.

887
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:45,300
That's so cool.

888
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:48,260
Now, for you, Steve, how about for you?

889
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:50,880
What would be your go-to as a shaman?

890
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,140
What would be your piece besides your body?

891
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:54,980
Because I know body is going to be a number one.

892
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:58,620
So besides your body, what would be your tool that you would go to use?

893
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:05,740
Oops, sorry about that.

894
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:08,820
That you know, I've never really thought about that.

895
00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:09,820
I'm

896
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:10,820
Got them.

897
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:11,820
Yeah.

898
00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:19,860
I mean, pendulums are great and they operate along the same lines as a dowsing rod, I think.

899
00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:20,860
Yeah.

900
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:24,460
But the pendulums pick up on that.

901
00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:35,860
I use a form of kinesiology, asking questions and letting the answers come through using

902
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:36,860
the fingers.

903
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:43,300
I also always, I never go anywhere without my protection.

904
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:49,580
And I do have a, I had this made and it's a form of the Star of David.

905
00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:53,660
It's called a Shaddai.

906
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:58,100
If you know the story of Solomon, I don't know if we can get to it.

907
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:59,100
Yeah, I guess.

908
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:00,100
Yeah.

909
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:01,100
Wow.

910
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:06,380
But if there is a dark demonic or any kind of really dark entities or influences, the

911
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:09,780
inverted, the inverted triangle tarnishes.

912
00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:10,780
Wow.

913
00:50:10,780 --> 00:50:14,780
So that I know what we're dealing with.

914
00:50:14,780 --> 00:50:15,780
It actually tarnishes.

915
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:16,780
It actually tarnishes.

916
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:17,780
Yeah.

917
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:18,780
Wow.

918
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:25,860
And the upright triangle, of course, it stays silver and it's pure silver and it's been

919
00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:29,380
made specifically for that really.

920
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:30,380
Wow.

921
00:50:30,380 --> 00:50:31,380
That is awesome, Steve.

922
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:33,380
That is the coolest thing I've ever heard.

923
00:50:33,380 --> 00:50:34,380
I'm sorry.

924
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:35,380
That is awesome.

925
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:36,380
That's kind of my thing.

926
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:41,380
Makes me think of that movie Constantine when he pulls out all those medallions.

927
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:42,900
I love that show.

928
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:44,420
And you know, there's so much to do that.

929
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:49,780
I mean, you know, and I've always said the Catholic Church has all the good stuff hidden

930
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:50,780
away.

931
00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:51,780
Oh, definitely.

932
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:52,780
But Constantine.

933
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:58,580
But, you know, I think it is what you sense.

934
00:50:58,580 --> 00:51:04,900
I mean, if your gut tells you or something's not right, that's your first indication.

935
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:09,460
And then your second indication is to dig deeper to see is that true?

936
00:51:09,460 --> 00:51:11,460
You know, is it or is it just something else?

937
00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:18,340
It's just because it feels icky doesn't mean it's bad or dark or evil.

938
00:51:18,340 --> 00:51:21,260
And that's again, here is the premise of the show.

939
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:27,740
It's learning from each other, learning different techniques and different ways to do things.

940
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:28,740
Yeah.

941
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:34,060
And when you have three different people with three different methods and they all point

942
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:39,220
to the same result, I mean, that's great.

943
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:42,500
It gives confirmation.

944
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,020
So yeah, it's all a good thing.

945
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:46,020
Absolutely.

946
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:51,700
I just find it amazing to have more about that.

947
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:53,660
I want to know more about the bone throwing.

948
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:58,020
Yeah, you got to tell us a little bit, just a little.

949
00:51:58,020 --> 00:52:03,420
Well, maybe we can come back on and get May to come on the show.

950
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:10,620
But it's an in she has ancestors that help her or spirit guides, however you want to

951
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:11,620
call them.

952
00:52:11,620 --> 00:52:16,420
And she has a big bowl of bones and little trinkets and different things that she's collected

953
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:18,700
or drawn to.

954
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:21,480
And she shakes the bowl and dumps it out.

955
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:27,580
And however the bones in the trinkets lay and cross are the meaning of them has different

956
00:52:27,580 --> 00:52:30,980
things and how it lands in the board and the boards divided.

957
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:32,620
It really is an interesting process.

958
00:52:32,620 --> 00:52:35,620
I never come across it before.

959
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:37,660
And I had met May.

960
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:42,740
We had held a paranormal expo, my team and a couple of other paranormal teams locally

961
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:43,740
here.

962
00:52:43,740 --> 00:52:46,020
And she was actually a vendor.

963
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,300
And I'm like, she's so amazing.

964
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:50,180
We have to have her on the show.

965
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:51,180
Exactly like Yatsu.

966
00:52:51,180 --> 00:52:53,180
It really is kind of like that.

967
00:52:53,180 --> 00:52:55,260
I mean, she has all different kinds of things.

968
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:59,700
And she just gives a reading on how everything lands and overlays.

969
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:00,700
It's really interesting.

970
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,260
I don't know if that was interesting.

971
00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:05,620
It is a tool of divination then, right?

972
00:53:05,620 --> 00:53:06,620
I mean, that's...

973
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:07,620
Yes.

974
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:08,620
Yeah.

975
00:53:08,620 --> 00:53:09,620
It's a divination tool.

976
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:10,620
Yes.

977
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:11,620
Okay.

978
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:12,620
Yeah, I've never seen it.

979
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:13,620
I'd like to see it.

980
00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:14,620
Yeah.

981
00:53:14,620 --> 00:53:15,860
I've read about it.

982
00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:17,260
I've never seen it in person.

983
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:18,540
So I can't wait to see that.

984
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:20,460
That is going to be so cool to see.

985
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:24,900
I mean, just to learn how to like figure out what it means when one crosses or one lays

986
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:25,900
a certain way.

987
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:28,260
I mean, the knowledge in that sounds so interesting.

988
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:29,260
Yeah.

989
00:53:29,260 --> 00:53:34,740
And she wasn't in our first pilot episode, but she's definitely on board to be in future

990
00:53:34,740 --> 00:53:35,740
episodes.

991
00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:36,740
So...

992
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:37,740
Well, I look forward to that.

993
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:39,460
That is going to be absolutely awesome.

994
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:42,540
Now, is there any upcoming filming that you guys are going to be doing or you guys just

995
00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:44,900
in the process of still raising the money for the next episode?

996
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:46,660
We're in the process of raising money.

997
00:53:46,660 --> 00:53:51,700
Anybody who knows who has done any kind of filming that it all takes money.

998
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:52,700
Yeah.

999
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:53,700
Oh, yes.

1000
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:54,700
Everything.

1001
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:55,700
Money makes the world go around.

1002
00:53:55,700 --> 00:54:00,780
But we're in the process of trying to raise enough funds to film our first eight episodes.

1003
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:01,780
Definitely.

1004
00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:02,780
Definitely.

1005
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:04,860
Well, guys, thank you so much for coming on.

1006
00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:07,500
John, you want to ask one more question before I ask the last question?

1007
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,020
Dude, I got so many.

1008
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:11,980
I could probably go like another hour, but I don't want to...

1009
00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:12,980
Oh, I know.

1010
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:13,980
That's why we got to have them back on.

1011
00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:16,180
You got to get your whole team on.

1012
00:54:16,180 --> 00:54:17,180
Yeah.

1013
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:18,180
Just have a beer.

1014
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:19,180
For real.

1015
00:54:19,180 --> 00:54:20,180
Yep.

1016
00:54:20,180 --> 00:54:25,380
So one, I want to ask a little kind of a fun question before you guys go for each of you.

1017
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:26,980
I'll start with you.

1018
00:54:26,980 --> 00:54:27,980
Oh, that's...

1019
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:28,980
Yeah.

1020
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:29,980
Where can we donate?

1021
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:31,740
Can you tell them again?

1022
00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:34,620
On our Facebook page, we have a spot fund.

1023
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:39,060
And then on our website as well, we have a link to where you can donate.

1024
00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:41,500
And it's all under the others side.

1025
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:46,980
The website is creepstreetproductions.com, which is scrolling over the top here.

1026
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:50,220
So yeah, we certainly don't expect anybody to help us.

1027
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:53,940
There's lots of things to donate to and lots of charities that need help.

1028
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:58,820
We understand that, but if you feel it in your heart to help us out, we'd love that.

1029
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:59,820
Yeah.

1030
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:04,100
Please do guys, because I tell you, I have an amazing team like this out now for people

1031
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:11,620
to watch and have an open-minded view on this, this way is so important in my opinion for

1032
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:13,000
this field.

1033
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,420
And it helps show other people that we all need to work together.

1034
00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:18,340
And like I said, I think that's so amazing.

1035
00:55:18,340 --> 00:55:19,700
I love when I see that.

1036
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:22,420
I love when we have on husband and wife teams.

1037
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:27,180
Maybe working together like that just really warms my heart in this field because of the

1038
00:55:27,180 --> 00:55:30,500
division that we see so much in this field.

1039
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:32,460
But I want to thank you guys for coming on.

1040
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:37,700
But before you go, I have one question and that is for Regina and Steve, if money was

1041
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:43,220
not an option and you can go and investigate anywhere in the entire world and use any equipment

1042
00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:47,700
you wanted in the entire world, what would be the location and what would be the piece

1043
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:50,380
of equipment if there is one?

1044
00:55:50,380 --> 00:55:52,620
God, that's so hard.

1045
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:55,020
There's so many great places.

1046
00:55:55,020 --> 00:56:00,300
I would probably hit up some places in Europe just because it's so much older and then,

1047
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:03,900
you know, the spirits I think are different over there than they are here.

1048
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,500
And there's so many different belief systems over there.

1049
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:12,540
I don't have one particular place, but again, I would travel with my dowsing rods.

1050
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:15,140
I definitely would travel with those.

1051
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:16,140
Awesome.

1052
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:18,860
Steve, for you.

1053
00:56:18,860 --> 00:56:21,660
I agree with Regina.

1054
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:27,260
I'd want to go to Europe to like old castles or ruins or something like that.

1055
00:56:27,260 --> 00:56:35,300
But as far as like here in the States, I want to go to the French quarters.

1056
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:39,860
I want to spend like two weeks in Louisiana down here.

1057
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:44,460
If it happens to be during Mardi Gras, that's a bonus, right?

1058
00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:47,020
There you go.

1059
00:56:47,020 --> 00:56:49,540
There's some I saw the originals on Netflix.

1060
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:50,540
I want to go there.

1061
00:56:50,540 --> 00:56:54,180
I'm just like drawing that.

1062
00:56:54,180 --> 00:56:59,060
The dowsing rods, I have to say I was really I like those.

1063
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:00,060
I like those.

1064
00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:01,060
I like those better.

1065
00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:05,700
I understand them better than most of the other equipment, except for that.

1066
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:10,700
And Regina, you'll have to help me because I don't know if it was a camera.

1067
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,700
It was an SLS camera.

1068
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:13,700
SLS, yeah.

1069
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:14,700
Yeah.

1070
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:15,700
Were they stick figures?

1071
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:16,700
Stick figures.

1072
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:17,700
Yeah.

1073
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:18,700
Yeah.

1074
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:19,700
That was very cool.

1075
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:20,700
Yeah.

1076
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:21,700
I like that.

1077
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:26,500
So I'd have to say I'd have to have two pieces of equipment.

1078
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,060
Hey, that's awesome.

1079
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:33,100
Now I wanted to ask you, Regina, have you saw the new one, the XLS camera?

1080
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:34,220
I've seen it on TV.

1081
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:36,100
I have not seen it in person.

1082
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:40,540
You know, and a lot of things that people don't realize is this equipment is expensive.

1083
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:42,220
This hobby is expensive.

1084
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:44,340
We don't get to go into these locations for free.

1085
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:45,340
They charge us.

1086
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:49,620
The equipment that we have is hundreds upon thousands of dollars.

1087
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:51,620
It's not a cheap, cheap hobby.

1088
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:53,180
No, it's not.

1089
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:54,180
It's not.

1090
00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:56,740
I mean, look at the Panasonic DR-60 recorder.

1091
00:57:56,740 --> 00:58:01,500
That recorder from the 90s is going for like four to $6,000 right now.

1092
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,060
That is disgusting.

1093
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:05,980
Just two years ago, it was only like $1,000 to buy one.

1094
00:58:05,980 --> 00:58:07,660
Even that is outrageous.

1095
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:12,300
But to go from a thousand to now $6,000 is just beyond belief.

1096
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:16,220
I mean, you can't get them anymore, so I understand the scarcity, but you're right.

1097
00:58:16,220 --> 00:58:17,780
The equipment does cost a lot.

1098
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:22,420
But the reason why I wanted to ask you about the XLS is because basically it's just the

1099
00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:25,460
upgraded version to the newest Xbox camera, technically.

1100
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:32,020
But my buddy who's on the show most of the time, they're from relatively paranormal,

1101
00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:36,780
and they come on and they actually have their own store where they build equipment and they

1102
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:40,700
sell the SLS for $289,000, tablet, everything built for you.

1103
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:44,860
They sell the XLS too for a little bit cheaper than you would see everywhere else.

1104
00:58:44,860 --> 00:58:48,060
So if you're ever interested in it, I'll send you the link over and you guys can check it

1105
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:49,060
out.

1106
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:50,060
That is great equipment.

1107
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:53,580
They do great builds on everything, and they're great people, husband and wife team.

1108
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:55,340
They do everything from their home.

1109
00:58:55,340 --> 00:58:56,540
So it's great stuff.

1110
00:58:56,540 --> 00:58:57,540
So I'll send it over for you guys.

1111
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:58,540
Definitely check it out.

1112
00:58:58,540 --> 00:58:59,540
Please do.

1113
00:58:59,540 --> 00:59:00,540
I will.

1114
00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:01,540
I will.

1115
00:59:01,540 --> 00:59:06,220
Regina, I just wanted to say you should have your producers look at the Holy Cross Abbey

1116
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:09,860
down in Canyon City.

1117
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:14,720
They have a sister's house that you guys can stay in while you investigate.

1118
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,500
His name is Dennis.

1119
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:20,920
He's in charge of the paranormal investigations there.

1120
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,920
It's a great place.

1121
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,620
I'm sure your team member that's in Colorado Springs has heard of it.

1122
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:27,460
It's about 40 minutes from her.

1123
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:28,460
So yeah.

1124
00:59:28,460 --> 00:59:31,800
Do they have a website, social media?

1125
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,860
Is it all on Holy Cross Abbey?

1126
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:35,860
Yeah.

1127
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:40,300
It's simply ghosts or yeah, he goes live there all the time.

1128
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:45,580
I can ask Chris, hey Chris, put in the link to Dennis so that-

1129
00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:48,500
I was going to say, if worse comes to worst, I was going to say, if worse comes to worst,

1130
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,300
just message me and I'll send it to them in the email when we get off.

1131
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:52,300
Yeah.

1132
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:53,300
Do they have all the information?

1133
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:54,300
I really got to check it out.

1134
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:57,260
They got three huge buildings you can investigate.

1135
00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:58,260
Yeah.

1136
00:59:58,260 --> 01:00:05,260
We're, like I said, the production team is scouting locations that, you know, we'd love

1137
01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:06,740
to have multiple buildings.

1138
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:08,340
So that sounds like that's what that is.

1139
01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:11,780
Just so that we can break up and not contaminate each other.

1140
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:12,780
So yeah.

1141
01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:13,780
Oh yeah.

1142
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:15,260
If you guys can send me that information, that would be great.

1143
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:16,260
Yeah.

1144
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:21,260
Here he said, he said it's called a what's up Gramps on social media.

1145
01:00:21,260 --> 01:00:23,140
His name is Dennis Batchelor.

1146
01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:24,820
He's the one in charge of it.

1147
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:26,380
So okay.

1148
01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:32,940
But he's a fantastic guy and he doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the locations.

1149
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:34,500
He lets me come down whenever.

1150
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:39,380
So I'm sure he can work something out with you guys, but it's a really great location.

1151
01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:40,380
So.

1152
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:41,380
Okay.

1153
01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:42,380
We'll definitely check it out.

1154
01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:43,380
Yeah.

1155
01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:44,380
Yeah.

1156
01:00:44,380 --> 01:00:46,340
No, I thank you guys so much.

1157
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:51,140
I wanted to, I was trying to switch what I just wrote on here because I realized when

1158
01:00:51,140 --> 01:00:55,940
I put up the banner, I put up the other side and it's the other's side.

1159
01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:57,860
So I didn't want to mess that up for you guys.

1160
01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:59,020
So I apologize.

1161
01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:02,000
I just realized that now I'm thinking to myself, oh, what an idiot I am.

1162
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000
So hold on.

1163
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
Let me take that down.

1164
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,380
I just have you guys tell our viewers once again, where they can find you out before

1165
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:08,380
you go.

1166
01:01:08,380 --> 01:01:11,100
And once again, I want to thank you guys so much for coming on and we would love to have

1167
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:12,940
you guys come on again if you guys would be willing to.

1168
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:13,940
We'd love to.

1169
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:14,940
Thank you for having us.

1170
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:21,420
All of our social media is under the others side with an S on others.

1171
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:23,580
Our website is creep street production.

1172
01:01:23,580 --> 01:01:28,580
And then it has a tab for the other side where you can watch the trailer.

1173
01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:36,200
Our pilot episode is streaming right now on Paraflex, which is a paid streaming company.

1174
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,500
And then also Amazon prime, which anybody can can watch it on Amazon prime.

1175
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:42,740
It is a $2 rental.

1176
01:01:42,740 --> 01:01:47,820
So it's a fairly inexpensive and we'd love for you guys to come out and support us.

1177
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:52,420
Follow our social media, watch our episode and give us any feedback.

1178
01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:54,580
Yeah, please do.

1179
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:57,900
And please let them know when you go over there and visit their site, let them know

1180
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:01,420
you saw him on talking with the source and show him some love.

1181
01:02:01,420 --> 01:02:05,900
Everybody who's watching and who will listen on all the podcast listening platforms.

1182
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:10,780
Definitely check out the others side from www.creepstreetproductions.com.

1183
01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:14,580
I'm watching it once we're off here.

1184
01:02:14,580 --> 01:02:15,580
I'm getting off.

1185
01:02:15,580 --> 01:02:17,820
Right on Paraflex, Amazon prime.

1186
01:02:17,820 --> 01:02:19,300
I'm going to watch it right now myself.

1187
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:21,700
So thank you guys again so much for coming on.

1188
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:24,180
We really appreciate you seriously so much.

1189
01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:26,540
And thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us and more.

1190
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:31,100
Steve, I would love to get in touch with you to talk with you further about some things.

1191
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:35,020
So can I reach you through the email that I was messaging?

1192
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:37,740
Was that all right or I can I can forward him your email.

1193
01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:38,740
Not a problem.

1194
01:02:38,740 --> 01:02:39,740
OK, thank you so much.

1195
01:02:39,740 --> 01:02:41,700
Well, I appreciate you guys.

1196
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:45,700
Before we leave, I'm going to show their teaser one more time for you guys.

1197
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:47,140
But just want to say thank you so much.

1198
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:50,180
And until next time, we really appreciate you guys.

1199
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:51,180
Thank you so much.

1200
01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:52,180
All right.

1201
01:02:52,180 --> 01:02:57,500
All right, guys.

1202
01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:01,440
So before we leave, I just want to say, man, how what did you think?

1203
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,140
What did you think before I play this teaser, man, because I tell you what, this was an

1204
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:05,620
awesome show.

1205
01:03:05,620 --> 01:03:07,180
Such awesome people, man.

1206
01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:09,740
Dude, I was in awe, man.

1207
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:11,340
They're fabulous people.

1208
01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:13,620
What they're doing is is fabulous.

1209
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:18,220
You know, anything that we could do to help them grow, you know, bring them on the shows

1210
01:03:18,220 --> 01:03:22,100
all the time, whatever we can do to help, you know, I want to help them.

1211
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:23,100
Yeah, absolutely.

1212
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:28,140
I want to see them grow and go huge because they're bringing so much different cultures

1213
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:30,020
and beliefs and everything together.

1214
01:03:30,020 --> 01:03:33,100
And like I've been telling you, and we've been talking for so long on the show, like

1215
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:35,200
that is what it's all about.

1216
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,900
It's all about bringing people together because that's how we're going to further this field

1217
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:41,260
and find the answers we all want to know.

1218
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:42,260
Era unity.

1219
01:03:42,260 --> 01:03:44,100
Yeah, there you go.

1220
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:50,460
Well, guys, this is the others side teaser.

1221
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:55,020
They are on Para flicks and they are also on Amazon Prime.

1222
01:03:55,020 --> 01:03:58,820
And here is the teaser right now for you to check it out until next time.

1223
01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:04,660
My name is AJ Capasso, host of Talking with the Source with my other host and best friend,

1224
01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:09,140
Jonathan Keyworth of JK 47 Paranormal Investigations.

1225
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:14,340
Real quick, brother shot out your podcast so we can play this teaser and get it going.

1226
01:04:14,340 --> 01:04:23,180
So you can see me do live spirit box sessions every Tuesday at 2 p.m. Eastern, 1205 my time

1227
01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:25,300
or 12 p.m. my time.

1228
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:27,500
What I do is I use my spirit box.

1229
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:34,940
I work on cold cases, try to get their spirits to come through and, you know, say what happened.

1230
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:36,940
I've gotten a lot of crazy stuff.

1231
01:04:36,940 --> 01:04:39,860
AJ's a witness to it.

1232
01:04:39,860 --> 01:04:46,100
This next week will be the last session for DJ Slick Rick Buchanan.

1233
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:51,940
He was found decapitated at his home in January of this year.

1234
01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:58,380
So I've been trying to help him and his family and friends figure out what happened.

1235
01:04:58,380 --> 01:05:02,180
So but this will be my last session on Tuesday for him.

1236
01:05:02,180 --> 01:05:05,420
And then I'm going to try to talk to Nicholas Tess Tesla.

1237
01:05:05,420 --> 01:05:06,420
Tesla.

1238
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:07,420
Yeah.

1239
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:08,420
Amen.

1240
01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:09,420
Well, hey, why not try it?

1241
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:10,420
Right.

1242
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:11,420
Why not try something?

1243
01:05:11,420 --> 01:05:13,900
I mean, collective consciousness we can tap into.

1244
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:14,900
So let's do it.

1245
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:15,900
Right.

1246
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:16,900
Yeah.

1247
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:18,260
You want to show them the clip?

1248
01:05:18,260 --> 01:05:19,460
We're showing the clip right now.

1249
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:21,240
Thank you guys so much for watching.

1250
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,540
This is the others side.

1251
01:05:23,540 --> 01:05:26,180
Check them out.

1252
01:05:26,180 --> 01:05:31,180
Where are you?

1253
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:35,180
Are you afraid to cross over?

1254
01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:36,180
That's not a human spirit.

1255
01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:41,820
I still say he's got followers.

1256
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:42,820
Yeah that's saying get out.

1257
01:05:42,820 --> 01:05:43,820
Isolation, addiction.

1258
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:49,940
I just got a bad feeling about that and whatever that is out.

1259
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:52,780
Were you ever a being of the light?

1260
01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:55,020
Have you seen the video?

1261
01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:59,820
Just the energy of pain and anguish.

1262
01:05:59,820 --> 01:06:04,740
It's like it's almost hard to breathe.

1263
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:06,420
Hey, I need to get out of here.

1264
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:09,500
I'm giving you a warning not to go back down there.

1265
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:10,500
I'm upset now.

1266
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:11,500
Okay.

1267
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:26,020
I felt like every door that you passed there was something that was going to reach out

1268
01:06:26,020 --> 01:06:27,020
and grab you.

1269
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:28,020
I'm scared.

1270
01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:29,020
I'm not.

1271
01:06:29,020 --> 01:06:30,020
No.