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What up everybody? You get the JK as the intro. Welcome to Talking with the Source, another beautiful Sunday and we've got some fabulous guests here.

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In fact, we'll bring them on in a minute. Just want to shout out ParaPose. Thanks for letting us be on. Thanks Brian Laverty. Hopefully you're out there watching.

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And also Global Ghost Hunts. They do a lot and the team we're talking with was on last year. So let me show the promo real quick of Global Ghost Hunts.

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Hi, Melissa and Brian. Ruthless Definitions here. Come to you on the Count's Global Ghost Hunts.

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So the first one for this year is April 25th to May 5th. So that is four days with multiple teams each day. Sign up for your team.

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Please. Yes. You want us to see your investigation. You want us to see your location. Yes. Stick with us. That's what we're here for. We're here to talk about the team, share the locations, to enjoy paranormal investigation.

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We are very excited to be the brand ambassadors for Global Ghost Hunts. We're also very excited to do this. This will be our third time. So we're really excited about doing this again. We're excited to see all teams come back. We're excited for the new teams who are signing up.

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There are two packages. You guys got to check out which ones get for you. Get your team, get your location, sign up. What's the name of the previous Global Ghost Hunts if you're not already familiar with that?

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Well, if you check out the previous year's investigation, you just go to Global Ghost Hunts on YouTube, on Facebook. If you want to check out everything that is to know about Global Ghost Hunts and find more information, before signing up, go to globalghosthunt.com.

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You can message us on Facebook if you have any questions. Our whole admin team is here to help you. We are really excited about this year. We're excited to see you guys sign up. So, what do you wait for for signing up?

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Yeah, we do that. I mean, we're working our lives in here in the end. We're trying to force all of them down. Thank you guys so much for your support, for your love, for us, for Global Ghost Hunts. We all thank you and look forward to love you. Thank you.

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Yeah, guys. So, if you have a team and you want to get some great exposure, go ahead to head to Global Ghost Hunts and get signed up. Like they said, in April, May is when the spring session starts and then there will be another one in October.

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But another part of Global Ghost Hunts is Raymond. Let me bring Raymond on. What's up, bro?

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What's up? What's up?

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So, you went through Global Ghost Hunts last year and was your team with you? Should I bring them on?

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Part of them was with me. I was signed up as a new SuperNORAL. Steve came and hung out in April. And then in October, Sep Nando, we had more of the guys with us. And the other one that's with us today, Pat, she was with us at Bobby Mackey's.

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So, yeah, we were all hanging out this year. We were signed up as Spirit Mechanics.

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Nice, dude. So, so how did how did the Global Ghost Hunts help you out?

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It's, it's definitely got my name out there. That's for sure. I get to work with locations. That's so much fun. I enjoy it a lot because I like learning about the new buildings that I haven't heard of. So.

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All right on, man. Hello, I'm a British spirit. Hello. Welcome to the show. What's up? And let's bring on the rest of Spirit Mechanics here. How you guys doing? Welcome to the show.

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Hi, guys. How are you all?

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Hi, Maria. Thanks for watching. Appreciate it.

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I know it's like 8pm there. So, appreciate you watching.

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Yeah. So, why don't you, why don't you tell us a little bit about Spirit Mechanics and how you got started? You know how you guys met, you know.

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I know you're all in Kentucky.

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Most of us, not all of us, but most of us are here in Kentucky.

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But we've been an official team for about 10 years or so. Okay. And we are our big believers in para unity.

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The actual, especially in our area, it's a very big issue where you have the paranormal investigation end, but then the meta science and the sensitive end is completely, you know, off limits. You don't touch it.

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You don't cross paths. You don't do that.

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Spirit Mechanics is a team that combines both of those things.

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So, our entire team is actually sensitive in some way.

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But we also do paranormal investigations. So, we're trying to combine the science of it with the feeling of it.

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So, yeah, the goal is to bridge the gap and make sense of things for both sides.

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But as far as us meeting, several of us just wound up, it was happenstance in all honesty.

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Several of us just wound up through circumstances. And the reason why I'm not directly talking about it is those people aren't here with us, at least as far as on the show.

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But through circumstances, we wound up meeting in a shop on Main Street in Carlisle, Kentucky, called Herbal Stuff.

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Interesting name.

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It's run by a witch friend of ours as more of a hobby shop and a safe space for pagans in the area.

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And we were called in to look at a certain situation.

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And another team member, Chris Davis and myself showed up and met with another team member that some people have seen or met on some of our lives and stuff, Brian Gibson.

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We met up with him and helped him out with a couple of things and yeah, a shop.

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But, but once we actually got the situation handled, we all became friends and between them and my wife and I, we basically just started the team.

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And the goal was to be something that we didn't have, because a lot of us grew up in a different understanding or having sensitivities or gifts or abilities, whatever it is that you would like to call it.

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And had no one to turn to, no one to educate, no one to give us that moment where we can feel safe and be able to discuss it and talk about it.

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And we all wanted to be that safe space for other people.

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And that's why we had, we started the team.

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Excellent. Excellent. Raymond, how'd you get attached with the

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once again I met Steve and another member at a shop.

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He's a mutual friend kept telling me, Hey, you need to meet these guys. Hey, you need to meet these guys. He kept telling Steve, Hey, you need to meet this guy.

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And we found the chance. I went out and hung out with them. Steve was like, Would you be interested in becoming part of the team.

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So, it's, it's kind of been home since.

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There you go.

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but, but yeah, you know, starting the team and doing what it is that we do.

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We, we specialize in house cleansings blessings attachment removals, different things of that nature, as well as education into metaphysics and different forms of energy work and readings.

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But paranormal investigation has always been part of that, you know, we're not the, the kind of group of sensitives that roll in and tell somebody that they've got some craziness going on in their home without any kind of proof.

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We usually go in after the fact. Once a paranormal investigative team has given us the evidence, or we've gone in ourselves and gotten the evidence that there were things there.

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So, here's the proof. Here's what we have.

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This is cooperating what it is that you guys have brought up.

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So now we can do something about it if you would like us to.

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We've had the ability to have some really awesome moments you know of course, Raymond was kind enough to get us on with you guys global ghost time.

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And we've also worked with with people like Miss Amy Allen of the dead files. We've investigated with the Ghost Brothers before with Miss Patty star, who is a local legend I don't know how many people would know about her across, you know, the country and across

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the country but we've worked with Miss Patty star Beverly McChesney.

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But, you know, we're doing our best.

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Yeah, that's all you can do right just just dive in and give it all you got and that's what I did when I started I just dove right in I went and help the family and I got nervous man because this is my first case I walked in the house and

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the room I was staying in smelled like rotting meat and the rest of the house didn't smell like that so I'm like oh great what did I get myself into you know, and, you know, I stayed there and learned man and I helped this family out and that that's all you, that's all you can do you know if you're not a believer,

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go try it, just go to a location you know see just open yourself up be be experimental you know it. That's the best way to do is just dive in, you know, don't be scared.

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So, so you do the home, the home sessions and stuff. What's the craziest homes home experience that you had.

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But as far as, as some of the craziest things.

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I've been doing what I do for about 30 years, I've sat in on Catholic exorcisms. Oh, I'm not, I'm not trained by the Vatican, I am not a Catholic trained exorcist want to get that out of the way.

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I have sat in on them before. I've been trained in a bunch of different techniques of banishment removal and exorcism.

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And to the worst cases that we had one of them was local in Lexington, Kentucky.

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A show had previously gone to a woman's house and had basically told her that nothing was there, even though she her son, her daughter, and anybody that came over, got strangely ill, you know we did environmental before anyone asked we did environmental

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and she said that the house was actually safe there wasn't mold, radon carbon monoxide, anything like that there wasn't any of that going on she was being poisoned by the water.

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You know, anything like that people would come into the house and get strangely ill.

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And physically interacted with actually pulled out of out of their beds, they were being scratched being bruised choked held down, you know, there was a lot that was actually going on.

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It was another paranormal team that was local that had actually called us in for a second opinion. Yeah, yeah. And by the time we got there, it was so awful that you could actually see the light fade from this place.

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Like every light in the house was on literally every light in this house was on. And it looked like

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evening time, and nothing, no form of light could make it through the window.

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We started the process. And as soon as we did as far as blessing checking, going through environmental because multiple people do multiple things.

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She started to act very strange the owner of the home started to act very strange.

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Long story short, we actually wound up having to do a severe attachment removal.

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We, I don't know if anybody knows what the stone angel light is, but it's, it's a very pretty stone it's baby blue.

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it's essentially vibration wise if you subscribe to that vibration wise what it does is it allows you to to angelic presences.

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We put this underneath the chair while I'm going through right.

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And by the time we were done, and she was calmed down and breathing.

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So that one was pretty bad. We also had another one in Kentucky.

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Just up the road, about an hour and a half, same town as the, the shop, where where all this started.

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Shop, where all this started.

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There was a gentleman who is still a friend of ours.

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And he knew that he was being affected. He knew that something was with him. If anybody knows what I'm talking about. He, he had an unwanted guest.

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Yeah, you know, someone invaded his space.

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We, we go there with the same lady who runs the herbal shop.

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Let's, let's call it what it is it's a witches hangout.

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But, you know, the same lady that that runs the herbal shop in in town. We went there with her, but by her and his request.

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Same situation, you know, we, we go through the process of checking things and he starts getting very odd.

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And by the time we go through the reclaiming, which is essentially where you go room to room while smudging and take your space back.

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While we're in the process of doing that, he, he literally goes, it's time. And we wind up sitting him down in a folding chair in his living room and start the process of going through right.

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And Brian, the guy that I was telling you about who we had helped and started the team with was sitting behind him and I, and I flat out told him, don't let him get up. Because if he gets up, he's going to hurt himself or someone else.

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And by the time we were in full swing of dealing with this particular unwanted individual.

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Brian had to hold him like this.

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And he could actually, you know, do the, do the half Nelson, get up under the arms and hold him. Yeah. And he brought Brian up off his chair, who is behind him.

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Now, it doesn't sound like much of a thing. When you think about it.

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But at the time Brian weighed almost twice what this man did.

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He was maybe 130 135 pounds soaking wet and had injured his back. He was a military veteran and had his back.

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While in service.

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And Brian was 220 230 at the time.

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And he's lifting Brian up off of his chair from a sitting position. Oh, geez.

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That was great. So, yeah, sounds great.

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You know, locks it in. So, you know, from half Nelson the full and locks it in and flat out said, if you don't sit down, you're going to wind up hurting yourself.

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So, the man sits back down in the chair.

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And Brian leans down. So he's, he's holding on to him and leaning down so the pressure is in his back.

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You know, okay, we're leaning back against the chair at this point. Yeah.

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So folding chair.

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This man's back.

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This man s curves over the back of this chair is hanging upside down while sitting and staring Brian in the face and saying let me go.

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That's crazy.

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That was a video tape.

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That's crazy to see for client confidentiality we can't but they can find the release you need to start filming this stuff.

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We are, we are actually working on on a couple things though. So that may be something that we can show certain parts of. Yeah, come very soon. But those are probably the two to worst.

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We had another one that was that was pretty bad. There is a.

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There's a team member of ours that is actually closer to you.

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And he's in Nebraska his name is Keith others bird.

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All right. He's over paranormal out of.

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Keith he's with the riff nation to right.

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So, his case was pretty rough as well.

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He had had an entity that was with him since he was six.

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affected his home affected his family, his friends, and it would physically manifest start throwing tools he's a he's a mechanic on the side.

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It would start throwing tools in his garage with him in there.

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He was literally dragged out of his bed by his ankle and dragged halfway down his staircase, pushed up against walls.

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beaten scratched. It was, it was insane.

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Amy, this was actually a dead files case. For those who don't know, Keith was actually a dead files case.

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Right as we left we wound up having a huge flood hit that flooded almost the entirety of the western half of the state.

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So we're going this way to the west.

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Well, I guess that way on camera.

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We're going that way to the west and, and, you know, we're actually coming up over the wheel wells in water in certain spaces.

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Serious storms.

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We wound up in several, not us personally but bound up in traffic associated with several accidents.

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Horrible road construction like anything that could go wrong literally did go wrong. And by the time we got into

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Kansas and on the other side of it. So we're, we're last leg here. On the other side of Kansas.

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There was a snowstorm that hit.

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Out of all this shit that was going on there was a snowstorm that hit and caused it caused trouble getting us there and I mean it was, it was just a situation.

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That's the first time in doing all this that that kind of situation has happened.

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wind up having a spirited discussion with the spirit that was with Keith.

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He was able to take his home back, he was able to take his life back.

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since the incident, and since he decided to reach out for help. His eyes have actually changed color permanently.

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He went from a very dull gray to actually very blue eyes.

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And it happened, just like that, when it when he was free of it, and his eyes haven't changed back.

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It was, it was a good thing.

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Keith likes to tell his story, especially

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for people that one are skeptical, but to he likes to tell a story so that others know that they have other people that they can go to.

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Yes, it's a weird thing. We've found that a lot of people will similar to other types of situations and I'm, I'm not sure what the rules are. That's the reason why I'm being careful with what I say.

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But with other types of situations, people have a tendency not to come forward because they don't feel safe.

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If you get what I'm saying.

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No, yeah, I mean, it's like a taboo subject to talk about, you know, because you'll be putting the label of crazy and stuff and you know I and a lot of my clients felt the same way and I'm like, you know, I, I, I won't go blabbing about it.

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I, but, you know, I made him feel comfortable about the situation. I'm like, I've had experiences.

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I've had experiences.

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And I'm like, it's nothing to be afraid of, you know, if you're, if you're people don't believe you and they don't believe you, you can't change their mind until they have that experience, you know, but they shouldn't shun you for sharing your, your experience.

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Wow. And, and you know what, and, and I think a lot of the cases that I help a people, the people were feeling like, like they were crazy. You know, is this really happening and for me to go into their homes and have myself experience the same things that they are, then that takes a whole weight off of the shoulder and I believe that helps.

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You know, in the process of removing the spirit or helping the spirits pass on. So, so let me ask you this demons. Yes. No.

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What do you think?

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That that's a loaded question.

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I don't believe I don't believe in them. I honestly don't. I've never experienced it. I just believe if you're an asshole in life, you're going to be an asshole in the afterlife. You know, and that's a lot of the stuff that that I dealt with, you know, we're people being asshole.

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You know, pretty much.

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I mean, what a lot of people consider to be demonic really isn't demonic. There's this thing that happens where a lot of a lot of people are want to call anything that's darker negative demonic.

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And it's like, no, the chances of demonic possession, like actual demonic possession or actual demons being in your home is very, very rare.

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And yeah, nine times out of 10 you're you're absolutely right. It's usually just some spirit that was some dick in life and couldn't get over it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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You know, they just didn't go to the light because they wanted to continue to be the asshole they were you know that's the way I see it.

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Oh, Tony Ferguson's in the house. What's up big guy.

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Don't see you.

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And what did she say.

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Yeah, you do.

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I totally agree. Raymond, what do you think you've been quiet this whole time you should be talking man.

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Yeah, that's getting Steve the chance to talk. But yeah, the chance of actually run into an actual demons almost next to Neil. But yeah, if you're an asshole in life, you're gonna be an asshole and death and sometimes you just don't believe so.

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I've definitely ran into that.

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And they like to use that fear factor so they'll pretend to be something else.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly to entice that energy to come out of you so that they can continue doing what they're doing. That's, that's what I think too, that they purposely are trying to think of maybe read your thoughts of what you're scared of.

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If you do believe in demons and stuff. Maybe that's how they'll present themselves and they'll, they'll think it is, you know, because that's a lot of the home cases it.

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There's a demon in my house I'm like, were you thinking it when this stuff happens and then that's why they're, it's presenting yourself as that, you know what I mean.

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We actually hear that a lot. Oh, I think there's a demon in my house.

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look, there's been a bunch of issues lately especially because modern day horror films. It's always, always.

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Yes, every year, every year it's like the Catholic Church is buying into Hollywood. Hey, you got to put out a demon movie so we get more followers.

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it's in my house.

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Right. Yeah, that was a that was a situation we dealt with not not too long ago.

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But as far as the three cases that I was talking about a little bit ago, including Mr. Ottersburg's there, including Keith's.

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I could say without a doubt were his would be one.

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And the man from Carlisle would be number two.

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And I've been doing what I do for 30 years, you know, for about 30 years. And out of the 30 years of doing this, sitting in on Catholic exorcism and being a part of shamanic exorcism and doing different things.

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Twice in 30 years twice.

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And have I actually run across a legitimate, what could be considered a demonic presence.

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You know what's funny and I want to say this theory, I think that those demonic creatures that we encounter every once in a blue moon.

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I don't think they're actually demonic creatures I think we're dealing with something interdimensional.

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I mean, I'm going to be honest, because the power that it has like we just talked to Enfield Demon House in Connecticut, where I live and the stuff that they experienced.

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I mean, I don't know if John talked about it before I came on, but they watched a 230 pound lady get picked up off the ground six feet and thrown down a hallway.

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And the priest that was there got so scared and ran out of the house. And the thing that matter is like something with that much power doesn't just seem like it's a spirit or demon to me like it seems like it's something more like something more interdimensional

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or something along those lines but you know we call it demon or we call it angel we call whatever so it all has a bunch of names, you know, but still but I just you know just a theory.

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Because, even, even in theological study, you know, even if you want to go the route of theology so so actually looking at scripture and trying to understand demonic nature.

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Even scripture will tell you that the Monics will not do the things that a lot of media, and a lot of.

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I'm trying to be kind of.

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We're all grown ups, a lot of certain types of practitioners will put it that way. Yeah.

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You know, a lot of people have this tendency to go, Stephen, and that's big.

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But, most of the time, the Monics, we've been influenced they deal in vice. So, things like addictions like gambling addictions substances, you know different things like that they weave through that and have the person believe that they are doing the

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right thing when they are not doing the right thing.

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So, something so chooses to do bad.

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You said something so crazy right there you said something about substance abuse and I have. I am a recovering addict of in recovery for eight years. Thank you so much.

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But I what I wanted to say was, is when I was 15 I had a Ouija board experience that was what I would call demonic experience. Watch the plan chat move without my hands on plan chat, I thought it was a joke I mocked it because I thought it was a complete joke.

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I didn't believe in God didn't believe in anything. And then all of a sudden after that I started to have a psychological breakdown where I had a mental breakdown. My attitude change I started to scream and the people that I love like gotten to fights, then all of a sudden, I was against drugs my whole life because of my father being a drug addict.

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All of a sudden out of nowhere I started getting the wrong crowd and I started just, just dabbling in drugs and then one day I got addicted to opiates. And it was because I got a fractured vertebrae in my back and my doctor prescribed it, and I just took it to the next level, and it was like I opened that door for that addiction to come in and I tell you what it took a long time for me to get that residue or that attachment whatever you want to call it away from me so it's so crazy you just said that I didn't mean to interrupt you but it just.

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Brought back a memory of what you just said.

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Well, it, and that's it we actually see that a lot in. And what it is that we do we actually do see that a lot.

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Substance abuse or usually those are the two big ones substance abuse gambling.

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And then we see this, you know, a demon is one that hides in plain sight.

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So it's kind of like a guy that goes to a casino, and he goes in, he wastes, you know, his entire paycheck. All right, well that's cool, then he throws down his pocket money. All right, that's cool.

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He goes in all in those papers down for his house those keys down to his car, I can get my money back, and then goes outside after he's lost it all and goes if I only had a five spot from somebody.

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I could win all that money back.

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And then there's someone that comes out of the crowd that no one else sees goes yeah buddy I got you.

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Yeah, right. We create our own. I've talked about that on my show is it is this your universe you know you create your own, your own stuff you know if you're so caught up in these attachments with with drugs and gambling and stuff.

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And that can manifest into something that screws with your mind you know.

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I mean it's, it's a heavy thing, you know, we work a lot with veterans and people who are working through addictions and a number of PTSD traumas.

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And that's primarily what you see there's two different types of attachments. There's physical attachments like what what we were talking about where it's an outside force that is affecting you.

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Right, and then there is what's referred to as well, a metaphysical and attachment which is usually like a trauma bonded issue. It's something we repress it's something that we deal with quietly, something that we, you know, suffer through.

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And after a while, you start to get this idea that that's what made you who you are.

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You know when that happens it starts to form an attachment.

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It, it can literally cause all kinds of crazy things to happen. Terrible dreams insomnia, mental breakdowns, it can start to affect your health, you can start to get cancer.

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That's what my theory is. I think that's what cancer is.

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I wanted to ask you a question a theory on this right so our, our thoughts are very powerful, as we know, as we know our brain is very powerful. So when we're in deep thought that thought that energy doesn't just stop it goes somewhere unfortunately

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we can't even register where exactly it goes, which brings the idea of, you know, talking through the PSP seven or a spirit box. Is it us responding to ourselves with with our energy do we know if we're affecting or not but my theory behind what I wanted to say was, is

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you said that you work with people with PTSD and other type of, you know, illnesses and stuff like that. Have you ever heard of a thing called the shadow workbook journal.

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Yes. Okay, well I actually got this thing I don't know if you guys have one yourself but it's amazing what you have that you can learn in this that somebody can grow from in this that can help that shadow and I and I feel like our thoughts, I feel like

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we can make these thought forms.

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Basically in our reality that can be a demon, you know where we can create our own like what Johnson, kind of, we can create our own demon to suffice and make it our shadow and make it literally hover over us and bring us down and give us illnesses like you were saying and I

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totally believe that I want to see what you guys thought of that theory.

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It's actually something that we're currently in the process of getting a methodology for helping people through that. Yeah, it's something, at least in the circles that we travel. It's something that actually is referred to as a thought form.

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Yeah, and, and it is a psychometric projection. So, what you think becomes reality.

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When you have that. Yeah.

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Right, when you have that strong emotional anchor to something.

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All it takes is giving it your attention.

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All it takes is feeding it, and you wind up with what is referred to as thought form. A lot of the cases that we've taken on. One of the things that we're known for is being able to diagnose between we are not licensed therapists, but diagnosed between paranormal

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activity, and what could be a mental illness or instability.

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Yeah, a thought form bridges that particular gap, and it walks a very thin line.

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Because you have to determine whether the person is hallucinating, or if they're the only one being affected. Yeah, I'm sure you guys have have done residential investigations where one person in the household is affected by everything and everybody else is like I don't know what the

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fuck they're talking about. Yeah, exactly. Yes, I've had that told a ton of times.

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So, that's typically what we look at as far as a thought form case. If we're taking it seriously as

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let's call it what it is.

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House cleansers, you know if we're if we're taking it seriously as far as blessing as far as sensitive.

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Then, we're looking at it in terms of thought forms.

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Is the person actually suffering from effects that they themselves aren't physically doing to themselves. No, yes.

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So, now we're going to look into it, but here's the problem with the thought form.

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Because they are a mental manifestation, even though they are causing physical manifestations of bruising or some form of interaction.

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It takes them going to therapy to actually fix it.

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They have to actually go and take care of their mental health, otherwise it just gets worse.

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And as it gets worse, that's where you get into the realm of tulpas, which is a thought form that is independent of the person that created it.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I heard it told me before. Yep. That's wild. That's wild. You said that. That's so cool to talk about because I haven't heard anybody ever say that to me before.

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So, that's awesome. You know, you have a lot of knowledge, my friend. So cool to hear.

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I've been doing this for 30 years, bro.

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He's had people on the show that have had 45 years, but they've never hit me with something that shocked the hell out of me like he just did.

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That was awesome. Alright, let me tell you. Alright, so.

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On the subject of shadow work, like you were talking about, we actually have somebody that teaches a shadow work class. I know somebody mentioned shadow, you know, dealing with the shadow earlier. There are shadows and their shadow work.

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The shadow work is basically like self therapy. We are working through the traumas that we have held on to since birth.

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Exactly. And that's the type of shadow we're discussing right there. I just want to clarify.

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I'm going to read a journal that I have here because I'm helping a friend work through some abandonment problems that she's had from when she was younger. And I'm noticing that what she'll do is she'll go from one relationship and then she'll immediately find somebody else to comfort her. It's like abandonment thing. Like everybody leaves, you know, and like I tried to explain to her like, listen, that's, you know, something that stems from when you were a child, something traumatic that you need to work through.

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So I'm trying to help her in that way because I know for me, I had to work, do shadow work because I was holding on to some dark things where I was still having negative effects of these dark things where I would get bad luck or I would have something bad happen or, you know, always happen in threes or something crazy, you know. So until I started working on it, things started getting better, you know.

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Yeah. Shadow work is awesome. It's intense at times, but sometimes having, because there's a difference between when you actually acknowledge your shadow and when you are thinking you're acknowledging your shadow.

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Acknowledging and accepting the things that created your shadow were two separate instances.

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And shadow work journals really help with the acknowledging and then help bring you to the part of accepting so that it's not you fighting against your shadow. It's actually you being at peace and no longer necessarily needing a full shadow.

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Yeah, that's one of the things that AJ helped me with over these last years is, you know, I used to be such an angry person. I would flip like that because of my PTSD and stuff. But when I start to feel those feelings, all I say is I am the light.

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The light destroys the shadows. That's what I just tell myself and all that anger just goes away, you know. Like I was telling you, that's why I keep myself grounded all this time. You know, I love the tiger's eye. It just keeps me cool.

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Tiger's eye is pretty awesome, I gotta say. It's pretty stellar.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And backing up just a little bit to anybody who messes with Ouija boards, please, please, please, please, please close them. Please close the session.

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Say goodbye.

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Right. Yes. They're solid tools. They honestly are. You can do a lot with the Ouija board, the same as you can with the spirit board, a pendulum, dousing rods, any of those.

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Even the SB7, even the spirit box, when you're talking through the spirit box, it's the same thing as a Ouija board. It's just more modernized, you know. They didn't have radio frequencies in the 1800s and stuff.

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So, I just gotta say.

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I beg to differ. I think the spirit box is a little more dangerous than the Ouija board because of the spirit, the frequencies that are coming through, that can give a wider range of things to come through.

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But it's the intent of how you're using it, just like with this right here. This right here, even though it says seven plus, you know, years of age, doesn't mean it's a freaking game. You know what I'm saying?

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It's just not a game. You know, so I try to tell people all the time, no matter what you're using, whether it's the EVP recorder or whether it's a spirit box or a Ouija board, like you have to play, you have to have responsibility and understand that this is not a joke.

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And it's hard to get that across to people because a lot of these YouTubers show it as a joke and it's not a joke.

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They get fucked up too. I'm sure they get a lot of bad luck.

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Yeah, I'm sure. Definitely.

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Yeah, with anything you're using for an investigation, it's always important to say, all right, I'm done. Thank you for your time. Now you had to leave or you had to stay here when I leave.

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You know, our connection is now severed and you cannot remain.

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I do it every session, every Tuesday when I do my live sessions, always goodbye. I always say thank you and goodbye.

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It's always about respect too, you know, you always got to go. Like you can't go in being an asshole. Excuse my language. You got to go in. You got to go in with respect because if you go in being a complete, you know, idiot, you're going to get treated the same way.

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And you know, you're dealing with human souls and like it's just like, you know, they're going to disrespect you and it's just, you know, it's it's just how it is, you know.

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That's it.

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I mean, Stephen, I tell you, anytime. I mean, AJ, you've seen me investigate too. I literally sat down and have a conversation with people.

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Yeah, I take my time to talk to the spirits and be as respectful as possible. Yeah. It's like, I'm just here for a story. So whatever you can tell me, I appreciate. Exactly. So we're going to sit and have this conversation.

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Yeah. But I tell you what I have to say though, I can't believe the amazing work that you guys do. I give you guys so much credit and what you do like that's not easy. So God bless you guys and may God honestly like protect you and keep you guys doing all the work that you guys can be possibly doing to help all these families because you guys are doing amazing work. So keep up the great job. Seriously.

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So, so if somebody needs help, how's what's the best way to get ahold of you?

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Like, so there's a couple of ways that you can get in touch with us on one of them is our Facebook page, you can send us a DM, we answer within 24 hours, and we start the process with whatever's needed. Sometimes if it's a local thing, we can bring, we can ask that you come to our shop.

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Yes, we do also have a shop over in Lexington called the missing elements, you can find it on Google. So you can come to the shop and make an appointment, you can send us a DM on Facebook, you can also email us. It's spirit document mechanics. No, not that one. It's info at spirit mechanics.com. Sorry.

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The other email.

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You can also reach us through the website which is spirit mechanics.com.

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Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you guys so much. I mean, I really appreciate you guys. I'm sorry that I took a minute to get on I had, I was dealing with the hospital stuff I apologize.

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Thank you so much.

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We appreciate the chance to come on. Absolutely. It's been fantastic.

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We'd love to have.

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If you guys would be love to come on.

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Just don't just get up.

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Awesome. Well, Raymond, thank you so much again, brother. I appreciate you looking us up with them and you know I've looked forward to it.

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Oh son, I can't wait to see you guys so I appreciate you and I will talk to you guys soon.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thanks guys.

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Damn dude.

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I'm on my phone.

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I'm trying my phone's not to make about the dive but I was trying man I was trying to get home quick and I know that happened so but it's all right.

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I mean, I'm glad everybody were great. I did all right I think. No, you did good. The viewers are awesome. I appreciate all your Beasley VPs love you. Thank you so much for communicating through the whole thing I saw it.

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George and and how do you say your name and exe la and I call Gregor.

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I love this guy he's always on my.

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Thank you. I appreciate all the viewers I really do. And thank you guys so much for watching until next time we are talking with the source I was a little late but my name is AJ Capasso hosts of and founder, and also with my other host and founder, and Jonathan

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and I'm really glad you were at the JK 47 paranormal investigations but real quick brother shot out the podcast that we need to hear. Oh shit man. If you guys haven't been to one of my sessions yet. Check out targeting with the JK 47.

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I go live every Tuesday at 2pm Eastern 12pm Mountain. And I work on cold cases I talked with the spirits of cold cases. And right now I'm getting so connected with Rick Buchanan. He was a DJ in Tennessee slick Rick, trying to figure out what happened to him.

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You guys haven't seen the best of clips, check it out on my Facebook page or my YouTube sick.

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It was a sick session.

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Awesome. Alright guys well hey, thank you guys so much for tuning in. Until next time we are talking with the source. Thank you guys so much.

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Thank you.