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What? What's going on everybody?
This is AJ Capasso here with another episode of Talking With The Source.
Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
I'm here with one of my best friends, Jonathan Kieworth of JK47 Paranormal Investigations.
What is up my brother? How have you been this week?
Dude, I'm good man. I'm just happy today's here, end of the football season, Super Bowl Sunday.
I get to pig out and drink some beers. So yeah, I'm happy man.
Nice, nice, nice.
You want to talk about a little bit about what you got real quick? Some pigs in the blanket, pepperoni pizza.
You ain't messing around.
Pig in the blanket, some mini corn dogs, you know.
That's it.
There we go. There we go.
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You guys got an app and everything. What about Global Ghost Hunts, dude?
Wait, you didn't even let me get to the finish of it, OK?
I'm just excited.
I know, right? Thank you, brother.
So anyway, what he was saying was Global Ghost Hunt is about to begin on April 26th, I believe, to May 5th.
I believe I'm right if I said that.
Hopefully if I'm wrong, someone will correct me.
Definitely. I know it.
But anyway, if you don't know, yeah, Brian will be here in a minute with that.
But anyway, besides that, head over to www.globalghosthunt.com.
If you are a Paranormal researcher or you have a team and you would like to be part of this coming event,
we have one in April and May and one in October.
So last year we had amazing views and we can't wait to see what brings forward this year.
What's going on, Chris?
But real quick, I want to give a shout out to the people that we are bringing on right now.
They are an amazing family team.
It's an amazing duo, a mother and son, Debbie and Ryan of Esoteric Reveals.
Debbie has multiple years of paranormal experience.
Ryan himself as well.
They're there helping, working and just trying to help as many people as possible.
And mainly, like we were talking in back, is one of the biggest things is so you don't feel like you're crazy.
So let me bring them forward.
I'm super excited to have these guys on.
Couldn't be more happy to be their friend.
What's up, guys?
Hey, how are you guys?
Fantastic. Living the dream. How about you guys?
Same. Same.
Nice. Thank you for having us.
No, thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it.
I mean, I appreciate you reaching.
I mean, I reached out to you guys on TikTok and I appreciate you guys taking the time to reach out back and come on the show.
So thank you so much.
John, first question. You start, brother.
All right. So backstage, we were talking about home investigations and everything.
And I've I've I've done a lot of them.
I've gone from coast to coast, just helping people on my own dime and stuff.
So so when you get to these people's houses, like I know they're kind of nervous about explaining the situation and you know, their identity and everything.
And I always made sure not to to mention their names.
But like, I guess my biggest question would be like, like, how do you guys help these families out? What do you what what do you do to help them out and make them feel comfortable and safe?
You know, what what what's your intentions going in?
Well, first thing is, you got to really let them know that you're there to help.
You're not there to put a camera in their face and expose them, judge them. And you got to sit down and talk and build a good rapport with them and let them treat them just like them.
You know, yeah, we're going to definitely get a background. But, you know, sometimes you do have to ask the hard questions.
Like, is there any abuse in the family? You know, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, any history of drama?
And it's about just finding something that you guys can both connect on and build rapport on and let them know, OK, you're in a safe spot with us.
We're not here to judge you. We're here to help.
And just make them feel like, you know, family and let them know everything's going to be all right, because there's always a light at the end of the tunnel.
And now sometimes you see these people and they're going through horrific stuff.
And the only thing we want to hear is it's OK. You know, you're going to be all right.
We'll get you. We'll do whatever we can. You know, I'm not a priest or nothing, but I'll get you help if that's the right thing.
I'll do everything I can to get you in touch with the right people.
That's if that's the idea of what's going on.
You need someone professional to talk to. We can get you that.
You know, I get emotional thinking about it because you see these people as heartbreaking, especially with children involved.
You know, that's the hardest part. Yeah.
You know, and you're like, oh, no, here we go.
Yeah, I totally agree with you guys. Like one of my most heartbreaking cases was at Wichita Falls, Texas.
And I was helping a 16 year old girl that reached out to me.
Her mom was murdered in the house a month or I went there and she was experiencing doors opening and closing.
She was being touched in the shower and hearing voices through the radio.
And I went there and I was like, you know, I'm here to help you.
And after that first night, I knew it was her mom reaching out because this connection, that sudden disconnection from her daughter and her family.
She wanted to make sure to say goodbye. And the second night I got I got the greatest responses that I've ever gotten through my SB seven.
And I did everything live. It was all happening live on on on the phone.
So nobody could could, you know, question.
That's all all 10 of the family members were sitting behind me, too.
And and and then the last day was the private sessions where I just let my spirit box go and they would each go into the room and say their goodbyes and hear the responses that they need to hear.
You know, I go in, I go in with the intention of love and light, you know, and I would say like 95 percent of my cases, it was all loved ones trying to get people's attention, you know, saying that they're there and they just wanted to say goodbye.
Yeah, yeah. And it can be loved ones that they never even met, you know, like, yeah, yeah.
Like great, great grandparents that just they noticed something going on in their life.
They're just trying to like nudge them somehow.
And, you know, and it can be scary because you see shadow and sometimes the way these things manifest.
It's like something that we've noticed is, yeah, that could be happening, but something else is always right there trying to peek through the veil also with it.
Oh, yeah.
You have to be able to separate those two and say, OK, this is this is the love.
This is who we need to work with.
And this other person's other individual or entity or whatever.
Get rid of it. Let's get rid of that.
And I had that happen. I thought both my parents and they sort of and my father come to me.
My mother never did. My dad did. And he never called me by name.
He called me baby because I am the baby.
And actually, he was a big Native American man.
He put his hand on my shoulder. He said, baby, and my husband was in the opposite room.
He said, I could have sworn I heard your dad as well.
And he did. How bad can you feel?
Oh, well, we won't even go there.
Yeah, I was going to say.
Well, I'll kind of fill you in on what took place is I'm a type one diabetic and I was on the computer doing some work and my blood sugar was low and I wasn't paying attention.
And he said, check your sugar, baby.
Oh, wow. Yeah, I said, OK. And I just kind of in no chip names for my husband.
Now, all of a sudden, I felt both hands on. He said, I said, check your sugar, baby.
I said, OK, daddy, I'm going. And I mean, I'm 40 years old.
I said, you know, I called him daddy. He called me baby. So what?
Yeah, I got him and I could feel the cold air behind me.
And I went to the restroom during my blood sugar.
I said, I'm going to go home. He was right. He was right.
I said, thank you, daddy. I'm going to go to the kitchen. I said, you want to follow me?
You can. I said, yeah, I guess.
He said, I love you. I said, I love you.
And I have not heard since.
And my husband, he's just said, OK, well, yes, I just heard you.
I said, yeah, you did. Wow.
I mean, that's crazy.
You can't hear your own dad without using any device.
Nothing. Yeah.
Yeah. Where do I get my husband hearing it?
He's like freaking out. I'm like, it's cool. Dad, you know, he'll love you.
Yeah. Todd, who is one of our co-hosts that comes on sometimes.
He goes, in my experience, living in my second haunted home, for whatever reason,
they stayed once they bypassed the light.
They are stuck and trying to get rid of a negative entity for three years,
and then they come back and they're stuck again.
So they're stuck.
And so I think that's what's so cool about this.
So, you know, I mean, I mean, I think it's cool to have your father Bailey
perform an exercise on the location places better for about six months.
And it started right back up again.
Spells circuit, call this thing and imp or.
You know,
Like a human or whatever, you know,
the spirit box that my father has gone, he has been the only one to come through
on my on my box.
And he stays with me every time I ask.
He's there like talking immediately. Like I have sessions.
I mean, he said things to me over the spirit box that there was no way
this could've came out like he's I asked him last Christmas what we had for a
main course meal for dinner and it was prime rib.
And the only thing that came out of this box was prime rib.
And it was just like, how in the world could that even be known?
You know, right.
I even did a session for you trying to reach your dad.
And I got stuff that only you and him would know about, you know,
and I believe it's all that intention, you know, right.
Right. But you have to be careful.
Oh, yeah.
When you're calling out, you always got to have your guard up because yes.
Yes.
If you miss too much, it will yell back.
You know.
Oh, yeah.
Always be careful.
What do you guys do to protect yourself?
How do you protect yourself when you go in?
So, prayer, protect ourselves in the white light.
And just we have the way we've done over the years is we know our boundaries,
you know, like when it gets to a certain point,
it can become physical and you start to feel sick.
You know, you get headaches and stuff.
You got to know when to walk away.
I call it like the haunted gauntlet.
You know, sometimes it's a physical battle sometimes.
But, you know, I always do like some sage or palo santo prayer, definitely.
But we always go in protecting ourselves from everything around it
because it's like, man, I've been physically attacked like numerous times.
And they got a thing from the Trumps.
So they like to play the blind in some sense.
And they really, they must feel really bad that he had to practically carry me out.
I ended up in an ER, I promise.
What?
Oh, my God.
Yeah, to God in Getty's work.
Yeah.
Todd said these praise himself from head to toe before entering the holy water.
And he does a prayer for protection and then afterwards, he goes, even so, that's not enough.
Like, it's not, man, it's just it really depends on what you're going up against.
Yeah.
You know, unfortunately, we don't have the answers to all that stuff.
You know what I mean?
Right now, the big the big thing is demons.
Oh, please don't even get me going.
Yeah, it's like, no, I know.
It's not like that.
It's really not like that.
Yeah.
And with the Native Americans, everything's Native Americans, you know?
Yeah, I know.
I hate that.
You live in the United States.
What's not American?
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
And it makes me so mad.
Native Americans, probably.
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
It makes me so upset that people do that because it's like you've already done so much.
We've already done so much being settlers here in another land, taking their land away from them.
Like now we're calling the paranormal feeling going, oh, well, now that's a demon.
But it's because of the Indian burial ground that's there.
It's like, are you serious?
These guys are like lovers of nature, of everything.
Like they don't mean and like that.
You know what I mean?
Like, what do you guys think?
You're exactly right.
You are exactly right because every time before I go into the investigation or I do a session, I give them praise.
I invite them.
I tell them they're welcome and they help.
They help.
They really do.
But that's what gets me is being half Native American and you hear that and I wanted to say that like I just popped my mouth off.
But I sit there and I, yeah, okay.
I don't know how you do it.
I swear, Debbie.
I don't know how you do it because I can only imagine being, you know, Native American and then, you know, have that blood and then have someone say that to you.
You know, that would be so hurtful in my eyes, you know, I've been hurt several times by it.
But I mean, what can you say?
You chose ignorance.
Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right.
You know, sorry, go ahead.
What did you say, right?
But the demon thing like that seems to be like the new thing.
Everything on YouTube is demons.
Everything on social media is demons.
And I'm like, if it is, let's say it is, why do you want to glorify that negative?
Exactly.
I'm sorry, but as long as hanging out in an abandoned warehouse, like, you know, you got to, I think you need to understand that it's important to understand demons and like, you know, understand the schedules and how they work and how they respond.
But for now, it's like everything we run into is, oh, it's a demon.
It's a demon.
He did call out a demon at the last investigation and I was on one side of the room.
He was on the other and said, Oh, could it be any bugs are hitting me and got us by witness on the bike.
I'm up.
I'm flying over because they're called stink bugs.
Yeah, I know what they are.
I have them.
I've never seen one.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Wow.
We have them all the time over here.
They're annoying.
I hate those bugs and you can't question them because you know, they stink.
So it's like, Oh, you know, I, I, that is wild.
Yeah.
See me personally, I don't, I don't believe in demons.
I believe that, you know, you were a jerk in life and you were really mean, you know, that it will carry over in the afterlife.
And, and if they go toward the lighter, explore the universe, that's, that's what keeps them here.
And I think that they've been here for so long that they start to get pissed off and they, they want to move on, you know, and that's what I do.
I'm not moving on.
This is how I do it.
Do you guys believe in moving on spirits or like if you have a little patient, will you help the spirit?
Yeah, anything I can.
Yes.
I mean, there's many ways of doing that.
It depends on the individual's ideology.
If they're Christian, you got to, you know, use that tactic. If they're not Christian, you know, finding a way to like build some sort of archetypal figure for them that they can use.
You know,
I loved you said that. I love that you said that right there because that's one of the reasons why when I got into this field I had, I was addicted to opiates I died 12 times I had a near death experience.
That really got me into this, this whole thing. When I came back, I started to experience things and I remember everything that happened where I went, what I experienced and it really was a profound thing that changed my life completely got me clean, literally changed my life by 180 flip.
Thank you. And, but what I was going to say was, is you just said various or some very important when I got into this field, I decided that I didn't want to even though I was a Christian, I was brought up that way. I read the Bible. I was, you know, very into the Bible.
But my thing was, is that I didn't want to look at this just from that point of view. So I went out and I looked at every major religion that I could learn as much and is still learning a lot about all.
And then, not only that I try to ask my guys to tell me and show me things in a scientific type of way so that if I do deal with a skeptical person or a person that doesn't even believe in a higher power that I can relate to them in a way of energy vibration and
frequency, and they'll understand that that's a truthful thing because that's scientific knowledge you know and now that we know with quantum mechanics and everything.
We're able to relate some of the things that we're finding out in the field from our research to be able to relate to a field. Yeah.
Collective unconscious has a lot to play.
That's something we didn't know a lot to is, you know, you go into a place and you're just like, I feel really familiar here.
And you know, never been there before in your life and like, you start to just see like pictures in your head and like, we're all connected, we're all intertwined, you know, and like you said, it's all frequency man it's all about vibration, frequency.
And you gotta figure out how to relate to these individuals that may not be Catholic in response to an exorcist of the Catholic rights, they might be Buddhist.
How do you have that message in their eyes that you know, you're going to be okay.
Yeah, yeah, totally. I, and that's what I tell all my on all my shows, if anybody asks, you know, do you believe in God or whatever I believe in a source, I believe there is a source of energy.
I believe people call it many different names all of Jesus God, you know, whatever I believe we all tap into that same source we just have different abbreviations or different, you know, intentions of that spirit.
And, and, you know, I just believe that energy is is the key energy and frequency and vibration, you know, and I think if you can hone yourself in to accepting and loving yourself that that spirit will know that you're, you're there to help them.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, and like you're talking about like quantum mechanics is like, the more we start to learn about quantum development and it gets it gets kind of weird greedy like, I was there right.
Yeah.
Okay, there's some stuff going on here that makes a little bit of sense, you know, so.
Yeah, as humans, you know, research, you know, we still have any, you know, that's that's the abstract.
So it's like, just help just find a new kid.
Yeah, exactly. I think Tony Rathman he was on two weeks ago. I think he said it best. He's like, what the veil is, is us, like, our human body held together that's the veil, you know, and that just odd me though the way he said it and I was like, Oh my God,
never thought of it.
Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely. Sorry, I didn't know if you were gonna ask a question, John, I was gonna jump in.
What I wanted to ask you, Debbie was I know you have, it's 40 plus years correct in this field.
49 years next 49 years in this field. Wow. If you can tell a little bit to our viewers about your background and how your family was kind of like passed down like generation and generation I found that so fascinating in the back.
Okay, my dad is Native American, Cherokee, my mother stays Caucasian, and it's on both sides of the family, the paranormal is, and they bought a house and it was built in 1847.
Okay.
They had to remodel it was the first house on the block.
So they had to get it out, redo it all. And I was born in 61, of course.
And by the time I was four years old, I was in a bike set because my family was down there, I was talking and laughing like I didn't have anything my neighbor friends over.
My mom came down and she called me by my whole name.
Debbie Jean, what are you doing? And I'm like, hi, my friends. And she's like, what do you really mean? She said, I'll be right there and she came right out.
Well, there was a tragedy in the home. Okay.
And I was playing with the little girl, sissy, what's her name? And Joel was a mother, will hold her as a child.
She said, Mommy, your hand, have your friends. You'll see them later. She said she brought me upstairs.
She went then and explained, you know, this is what you're seeing. This is, you know, they're not real. She explained the whole ground to me.
Now, everything that goes, you know, they're not real. You know, you can't go down there and play with them. You can't have them upstairs.
You can't keep them down there. You know, I wasn't allowed back down the base. I was just putting it out.
Yeah, right.
So after that, it just started picking up more and more and more. And then it has to be in because they do helping people, you know, around that need help.
And back then, you know, people would thought, you know, you were nuts and we were nuts or whatever. But that's how mine started when I was 40 years old. So I've been doing it ever since.
That is absolutely awesome. I found that so fascinating. I just had to have you tell our viewers about that because that's absolutely amazing.
And I said it is on both sides of the family. And my mother came from a Quaker minister and her dad, you know, back in the days, they come with this and all that.
Yeah, yeah.
And she had two other sisters that had the same ability plus her brothers. And they always said, now my mother's name was Evelyn. Evelyn and the family all have special gifts. They're okay. They're okay.
And my grandfather, you know, Quaker minister, he was still a minister. But my dad's people, they just let it go. They just ran with it.
They were very involved in that. Victoria and there are still spiritualist movements like shop. So like stances and tarot. All that stuff was normal.
And I think that's a big one for us.
I didn't encounter with as well as some very bad things in that house.
That's a family member was dappled and they didn't end up well.
I had a terrible I wanted to ask you, I know, getting into the like you just said about the house and what you said about that. I wanted to talk about the house you guys actually have right now that's in the battlefield area.
Talk a little bit about that because that I find even more freaky because I couldn't imagine living in that situation.
Okay. Well, this is their house.
And like I was telling you before, is like a historical landmark and Amazon distribution center right there.
And like I said, I was talking to you. Things are getting real crazy around here. It's like a free way for ghosts on this side of town.
You know, you see that, you know, Confederate soldiers, looks like around here things, but it's always changing. It's never the same thing. It's always something different in your house like, I hear him saying mom stuff.
I think you just serve those soldiers so much with building that building and all the energy that's used to function everything in that building. I just think it amplifies them.
You know what I mean? He'll call it'll say Debbie and I'll say, what do you want? He said, what? I didn't you just call me? He said, no, I didn't say your name on the phone. Okay.
So I have my hands like, hold on.
In front of me, it's just they want your attention. Yeah.
It'll stop while safe. Stop it. Yeah, I don't have time for this now.
Yeah, no, that's what I normally do. I mean, I tell them.
Yeah, that's every day here. Yeah, it's how it is in my house too. Like I recently just had this new girl that I'm like, I'm friends with and she came over the house and she saw a man in a white shirt, clear as day, solid as day.
The other day while I'm in my room and she goes, who is that guy that just walked over to your door? I'm like, what are you talking about? And I come walking over to her. The guy was right there. What do you, you didn't see him?
And I'm like, no, I said, don't worry about that though. I'm used to that. She's like, what are you talking about? I'm used to that. I said, oh, I forgot to tell you. I kind of do paranormal work.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, welcome to the relation. We had a question from one of our viewers here. Nicole asked, have you guys ever seen a doppling gang or what kind of haunting would that be? You know, somebody that copies or mimics you.
Have you, have you ever seen one? Yeah, actually the first time was that trans.
We never dealt with it in like a private setting, but we had the first one.
I turned like any number there. Gosh, what was that? Three months ago.
Yeah. And she thought she saw me walking down the hallway and I was on the other side of the building and I thought I seen her go across and into the room. So it's like, that's, that's the best answer I got. Yeah, I've seen, we've seen it, but it was, it was in that setting.
I've never dealt with it in like a private setting. I've dealt with like mimicking voices and stuff in private settings. Like people think they hear their husband or their wife.
Have you ever been asking for a diet? Yeah, I've heard that before, but yeah, trans-allegacy was the first time actually we both have seen like where we thought it was us.
It had the exact outfit Brian had on. It was walking down and I was like, hey Brian, wait, wait, wait. We're catching up with Brian. And I thought, why is he not turning around? He doesn't have a headset on or nothing.
And then all of a sudden it was just gone. You know, I was like, okay, that wasn't my arm.
But I think that the doppelganger stuff, it could fall into the realms of residual maybe, you know, and it's just like trying to grab onto something that is familiar to whoever's present at that moment.
That's the best answer I can give.
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, like we said earlier, no one's really an expert because nobody really has all the answers. I mean, I died and I don't even have an answer.
I can tell you what I've experienced. Exactly. That's all we can do.
You know what, that's why I do this show is because it's to get people's experiences from other teams around the world because I put that research together with ours and I see what I can further my research in by learning from other people like yourselves that have many years of experience put together.
So I love having people on like yourselves, especially to you guys who have something I've been looking for. Like I said, you guys in back, like, you know, family bond, like you guys have that connection. I'm doing as a family. I think it's just absolutely incredible.
Absolutely.
So keep it up. Yeah.
I think they vibrate at that same frequency. So having a twice that frequency, you know, when you go into a location, I think that gives you more of an advantage to attract, you know, other spirits or whatnot.
So something that we do like if we're at a private residence or like one of the attraction places or whatever you want to call it, it will take like a half an hour and we'll just set and meditate and try to, you know, with ourselves and the environment.
Yeah. And we've learned that that works really well for us, you know, just no equipment, just the two of us and just tapping into whatever's going on around us.
Yeah, with each other and say, did you have to, what did you say? What did I say? Yeah. And kind of say we've seen the same thing or not.
Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I like that idea. I like that approach to it because having two people to it's good to bounce things off of each other as well like that.
Because then if you do see something and that person did as well see something, then it's like, well, it wasn't just me. You know, so that's perfect.
You know, and I don't believe that, you know, as an investigator, you technically I don't believe you technically have to go in with equipment to be an investigator because the best equipment we have is our bodies.
Yeah, some of the best evidence I've caught was with my own eyes, you know, yeah.
And the way this stuff happens is it's always like just a fraction of time. It's not like something that's yeah, for an hour. It's like a split second thing.
It's always been like, oh, I didn't have my camera right here or anything like that. But I know that I saw it.
I heard it or whatever. So sometimes even with the camera, though, and even the camera will pick it up because it's that quick. It's that quick. It's just fractions of time. Yeah.
I was telling AJ, the beginning of last month, I all of a sudden, you know, from constantly meditating with frequencies and doing it every day.
I'm starting to see black orbs like I'll just see orbs shoot around. And I'm like, oh, I can't catch that on camera. There's no way that anything.
You're just getting tuned in to the frequency of nature. Yeah.
Absolutely. So I wanted to bring up your guys, tick tock real quick. If any of our viewers want to check out esoteric reveals, check them out on on tick tock right now.
I'm going to share my screen real quick and we'll bring it up. Make sure to click the audio slide so it will be in here.
And this is Scout, by the way.
He's my ghost hunting dog. He goes on ghosts.
I was just about to bring yours up because I think I see it right on the first page of puppy right there.
Let's bring her up.
11 years old. She's been on probably five or six ghost hunts.
But man, we just went to Airbnb where like the man was haunted and stuff like she just she had enough.
And then I just like I'm going to go and get my dog down.
Okay, so tell me what's the next one you would like me to go to and you can tell us a little bit about it.
If you see any I can scroll down for you to mean running about like different things.
That's what I do.
this one. So, if you go down
more, there's a lot of
Gettysburg stuff. Oh yeah.
Gettysburg, right here. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Oh, there's some
ghost food stuff on there.
Okay, let me try this one right
here. It says, uh get haunted
school, Gettysburg. Yeah,
actually, there's nothing
really on that one. We didn't
catch anything on this one.
Okay. Hold on. I'll get out of
the way. Oh, I did it.
Yeah. Gettysburg haunted. Oh,
sorry. Gettysburg Murder House.
Yeah, that one wasn't really
much. Okay. Now, that is the
murder house and stuff. That's
part of a ghost tour there in
Gettysburg. So, if anybody
wants to ever do that, it's
really cool. It's really cool.
Yeah. I mean, let me check out
the other one. Yeah, bro.
Yeah. Yeah, bro.
How many people are with you
guys at this house? Um there
were four. Four others. Oh,
wow. Now, see, give some
context to that. That's a, yeah,
that's a story of a house where
um a lady was murdered by her
fiance. Oh, wow. And um she's
quite young. Yeah. And she,
the story is real sad. Like,
the house, the door was like
shutting in that one. I
remember that one. Yeah.
Alright, so, that is that that's
absolutely crazy. Now, tell me
though, how do you like using
that? What do you guys think
about? See, I'm kind of like,
now, we're going to get into
the hard questions.
Word banks, man. It's like,
it's programs already with
words that you can create a
program. I think say the Batman
is coming. Uh we knock on walls.
We make noise in there like,
oh, wow. You know, it's it's
say that. I mean, if I get like
an actual like response that
correlates with exactly what's
going on. Which is very far
that far between like, I'm not
sure if it's going to be
appropriate for you. It's I
want to buy. I told you. I
totally know where you're
coming from. Hey, you haven't
really understand. Sorry, go
ahead. I was talking about ITC
stuff. Now, like the Geoports
and stuff like that, I can lean
a little bit more into that.
Yeah, the ITC apps. Yeah. but
I'm not sure if it's Spirit
Talker, Necrometer, all those
things. It's like,
Yeah, I know. We put a lot of
stock into it. There's only one
I'll try and this is the reason
why I trust it. Uh II was using
Necrophonics. Yeah. I was I was
live on on my phone and III
farted and I was live and I
was like, oh, I'm going to be
like, oh, I'm going to be like
five seconds later through the
necrophonics that said you
farted. So, that's the only one
across. That's the only one.
Yeah. If you can get some crazy
response like that, then you
got to really start to question
it but I usually stick with
like the SB7s. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm always. Yeah.
I was going to say, it's one of
the things that you know, the
Frank Sumption box way. The way
that now we know everything.
Um now that we know everything
about the spirit box that we,
you know, need to know about it,
you know, like scanning radio
wise. Um it's such a great
thing but you know, these ITC
apps that are coming out, I I
do hate the fact that they're
called ITC apps because they're
not technically ITC. A lot of
these people are just making
money and just producing things
that they don't know. You know,
like there's magic eight balls.
Yeah. Magic eight balls. Exactly.
That's all it is really. Yeah.
And that's why I won't spend
money normally on an app like I
I have Necrophonic. I've had a
lot of Keith Weldon's stuff. I
mean, some of his stuff is
absolutely amazing. Some of the
stuff I'm a little like eh but
I love Keith Weldon. He's a
great guy. I know him and he's
you know, he's a great person.
Um I know his heart's in the
right place. That's why I trust
him. I'm a huge fan of Hope
Paranormal. If you guys ever
want to check out this one, it's
a free app. It's completely
free. It's called the HSB dash
one. The Hope Spirit Box dash
one. It's on iOS and Android
and basically what it is, it's
like having one of those um
portal devices but on your
phone. Yeah. So, you have a a
slider that opens up the audio
gate and then what's what he
put in the audio is um mixed up
with audio files that are mixed
up and like reversed and all
types of stuff so you can't get
false positives and it's with
audio that's just male, female
voices that are talking about
stuff that has nothing to do
about paranormal. It could be
talking about whales, one audio
clip, another audio clip that's
reversed, can be talking about
other things. So, every time you
open it, you're never getting
the same audio thing and I tell
you what, it's not an easy app
to get answers from. So, that's
how you know in my opinion that
it's not something that you
can use and I've seen my
friends use them. I mean, get
some absolutely stunning
responses with it and it's it's
great to see but it's not like
a necrophonic, you know, just
turn it on and hope that you're
going to get some, you know,
right? Yeah, I mean, we've had
some pretty good responses. I'm
not I'm not going to crap on it
completely but I mean, oh no,
me either, me either. Oh, no.
Yeah, but like, oh, with hope,
I'm familiar with his work and
stuff and Steve Hoff and you
know, that's that's the real
ITC like format right there.
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. A lot
of people don't like Huff and
it's amazing you said that
because I feel, I mean, he went
a little little bit of ways, I
think away from his main goal
in the beginning in my opinion
but I still believe what he's
doing is still something that
is good for the field. Yeah, I
know. He's like you said, he
went a little off the rail a
little bit. You got nothing
against the guy. No, me either.
Yeah, I like him. I love to
have him on the show because I
love his positivity. That's
what I love about his videos
and a lot of people I think
don't like it because they want
to see him tap into this darker
side because if you look at his
older videos when he was
getting that dark stuff come
through, his views were through
the charts and now when he's
doing all this positive stuff,
people don't want nothing to do
with it. It's so weird how that
is. It's like, you know, it's
getting weird. You know, being
scared is what sells. That's
right. That's why every year,
Hollywood has a demon movie or
an exorcist movie every every
single year. It's a conjuring
movie or something with the
demon because the fear sells
and that's that's what people
want is to feel scared, you
know? You're here. Yeah. They
want to see fear do a real
exorcist because we have done
that. I mean, you would wish to
be invited. I mean, it's not
like Hollywood. I mean, it's
not like there's no like
problems or anything like
that. It's very physical and
like draining and emotional
but yeah. I wanted to ask you
guys a question since you are
Native American Debbie, have
you ever had a case that is, I
mean, we we both are Native
American technically but what I
wanted to ask you, have you
ever had a case where you've
dealt with Native American
spirits? Yeah, sure. What is
that like for you? It's kind of
hard because they don't
understand what I'm doing. If
they don't have a language
barrier because I speak
Cherokee, you know, and if
there's something else, you
know, I have to go back and
try to get back to the
Native American spirit and then
there's some that will try to
come right towards me and I
know what a squall is because
that's what I've been called
before. Yeah. Yeah. If they
come too close, then I have to,
you know, you gotta step back.
You know, I I don't want this,
you know, back off, you know,
you know, I've had that happen
and I've heard Native American
music that I've never heard
before where the Native
Americans buried. Well, my the
way I was taught, you do not go
up around any burial ground
being Native American interested
yourself. I'm sure you know if
you don't have a family member
there and you know, you see
these people going up putting
blood on the tree hanging stuff
off of it's like, dude, you're
getting yourself into a
territory that you're either
going to get hurt, get possessed
or you know, they can do what
they want to you. You know, I
see that that's rise into all
you to one word intention and
it involves intention. If you
go, if you go over that tree
with love and light and pain,
respect to them, they're not
going to do anything to you. If
you go up there, hey, screw this
tree. I'm going to piss on it
or whatever. You know, they're
going to do what they want to
do. I learned sign language.
Uh you know, I know this means
friend in in in Indian and I
that's what I do. I I I kneel
on the ground and I say friend,
you know, but I just always was
taught you do not step on any
land and yeah, I would never. I
would never personally because
I was taught that as well. You
know, boy, they're very, I will
not go into one. It's just,
you know, I'm not going to be
with the family like. Yeah,
like I can get my grandmother,
my grandmother, my aunt,
everything, my dad, and my
aunt, and all that. Yeah, but
like he said, it's all about
it. Yeah, it's all about it.
Yeah, so of course, if you're
if you're going to make a YouTube
video to get clicks and views
and be in a you're going to get
screwed. Yeah, you're going to
get screwed. You're going to get
really I don't know who it was
but we watched one of them where
they went up there and they put
a can of worms in there. Oh my
god. Yeah, you just totally
open a can of worms. Yeah, you
go open a can of worms. You
don't even know. Yeah. It might
not affect you immediately but
they they're going to latch on
to you and they're going to
screw with your life for the
next year. Yeah. You know, your
whole family and loved ones,
you know, they're not. It gets
serious. It really does. You
know, it's funny that we see
John just said that. He said
that's what happened right at
once. He's so right because
when I had when I before I was
into the whole paranormal, I
was like fifteen years old and
I challenged the Ouija board. I
didn't believe in anything. I
didn't believe in god. I
blamed nothing and I challenge
this Ouija board like an idiot
kid and we watched this out of
fifteen kids in the room. It was
just me and my friend Eric on
the board. We watched the
planchette move with our
fingers off of the planchette
spell out mom which I asked who
killed you and it says spelled
out mom and it was technically
me. I didn't believe it was and
I didn't believe it of course
because I was stupid and naive.
I knew nothing about what I was
doing so I challenged it. Well,
what happened? It took a little
while but it broke me down
mentally very slowly and to the
point where I literally ended
up in the hospital at a mental
breakdown at sixteen years old.
I was my whole attitude had
changed towards my family. I
was screaming in my
grandparents' faces. People who
I loved and called my mother and
father my whole life like it
was a terrible situation which
this was an ongoing thing that
went on and II believe it was
because of my disrespect and
I've learned very quickly that
that is not the way to go about
things. You get the energy you
put out. So, if you're a
positive person and you want to
help people and you're there
for good intentions, you're
going to get it back but if
you're going to be a dick,
you're going to be whatever you
are in life, you're going to be
this negative person. Guess
what? That that's going to
be the way to go about it.
AJ's help and through
meditation and stuff is is it's
all about your intentions.
That's the number one thing
that I know. Yes, definitely.
Couldn't say it better. Yeah.
Oh, guys. Thank you so much. I
really appreciate you guys
coming on. Hopefully, we can
get you guys to come back on
again. I'd love to have you
come back again. Yeah, that's
cool. Thank you guys so much.
Thank you. It was so great to
meet you. Yeah, you too. All
right. Thank you so much again,
Debbie and Ryan. It was so
great to meet you guys and
anyone that needs any paranormal
help, please see visit Debbie
and Ryan at Esoteric Reveals at
Gmail.com. You can contact them.
They are in the Virginia
Norfolk area. Um so, go check
them out. Um check them out on
on TikTok like we just did and
and follow them and if you need
to hit them up, they're here to
help. So, you guys are great
people. Please keep up the
good work. Thank you. Thank
you. God bless you. God bless
you. Alright, take care. Bye.
Bye bye.
Dude. Wow. That was awesome.
Like we were we were all in
sync. We were just talking
about everything, man. Like like
I loved it. Yeah. Like that's
what I love about our show. We
just don't. There's no script.
We just we're just friends
talking. It's just fun, man,
you know? And what I love about
it too, man is like especially
with a person who has family
that is part of Native American
culture which I found so
absolutely amazing because
these are the type of things
that I want to I will Todd
definitely. These are the type
of things that I want to
explore on this show. More
different types of religions,
more different types of things
to show, you know, people and
viewers that there's other
things in in life to
experience, to see, to try, to
new, you know, and all types of
things and that's just, you
know, just about growing, you
know, the intention of my
intention is for this show. I
think I think what I love about
our show, dude, is that Ghost
Adventures is full of ****
dude. Like all paranormal is
not **** bad. Like they're like
there's like I'm just saying,
dude, like it's it's a whole
another world. You have to
accept it that something
happens. You know, our energy
just doesn't die. You know,
there there, you gotta tune into
that. Thank you, man. I can't
thank you enough for turning me
on to that. I know I was so
skeptical in the beginning and
I now look at you, dude. I'm
just like I was too, man, and
I'm proud to see how far you've
come and what you've done, man,
and I can't wait to see what
happens again. Thank you guys
all for joining the show today.
I appreciate every single one
of you. Chris, he's crazy, man.
He's, you don't even know.
49ers.
I'm not going to lie, but uh I
tell you what, thank you guys
so much though for enjoying us
for this amazing episode with
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