What?
Yeah!
What's going on everybody?
My name is AJ Capasso, host of Talking With The Source.
I'm here with my best friend and host, Jonathan Kieworth of JK47 Paranormal Investigations.
Hi, Christina Bell.
Thank you so much for being with us.
We're going to have an amazing show today.
Buddy, what is going on?
Not much, brother.
Just, uh, just living life, man.
Awesome man.
Awesome.
Well, we have a great show today.
We have Emmy McKenzie from PDX Paranormal.
Can't wait to bring her forward.
I'm going to bring her on right now.
What's up, Chris?
How you been?
Hey, Emmy, how are you?
Hey, what's up?
Hi guys.
How you been?
I've been doing pretty good.
Been busy.
Trying to keep busy.
Look at that.
We got some amazing people coming in.
Hey, Christina.
Hey Beth.
Welcome.
So, and then on the other side, we got Chris and huh?
Yeah.
I wanted to ask you.
I can't keep up with these comments.
I know, right?
Just wait.
Hey, Chris.
I know.
Hey Suzette, how are you?
Um, so I wanted to ask you, you have an awesome getup behind you right now.
You got some skulls, you got, you know, like a panda bear.
I mean, you're rocking right now.
Did you guys know that?
I got a fish right here.
No.
Is it?
Oh, that is sick.
Oh, that is so cool.
Oh, I need to get me one of them.
That is, that is the coolest skull I've ever seen.
Yeah.
I got that.
I got clowns.
Um, I got dolls.
Uh-uh.
Oh, the real.
I got me one of them.
Looks like the Annabelle doll.
The real.
Yeah.
Yep.
Oh, he's got one.
Right on.
Oh, see?
Look at that, you guys.
We got dolls.
Doll time.
I got a couple haunted dolls.
Um, yeah.
Wow.
See, I'm out of the loop here.
I don't have no dolls.
I don't know.
I got, I got big bad Bob here.
Big bad Bob went on all my investigations with me.
Here's this one.
Let me move that.
That looks like he stole from your daughter's like room.
Like that's.
She gave it to me.
She said, dad, I'm going to get you a doll.
She said, dad, this will keep you safe on your investigations.
That's cool.
There you go.
So this doll, I got free off of marketplace.
So, whoa, this is.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Turn of the century.
And it's filled with like, Hey, the head is, it's not ceramic.
It's, um,
Oh God, what is clay?
The head is clay.
Oh yeah.
Wow.
You see how the whole dolls put together.
So I had asked her,
she had it sitting on the porch when I showed up.
So that was kind of creepy itself.
Just sitting there on the porch.
You know, just waiting.
And she come outside.
I'd asked her, I'm like,
why you get rid of the doll?
She was, well,
she goes, I brought it back with me from Lansing, Michigan, about two or three years ago.
She said, and, um, I said, okay.
I'm like, so why you get rid of it?
She got it at an estate cell.
So that should tell you something there too.
I had plans to do something like fix it up or something.
She goes, but the dogs just started creeping me out.
I'm like, cool.
And we started to do it.
And I was like, oh,
I'm like, cool.
And we started to do a spirit box session with the doll,
but somebody was in there.
Adventures with Beth was in there and her family started coming through and her family is German.
And so there was on my spirit box,
there was German speaking and it was her family.
So I was like,
I got to do another spirit box session with this one.
And if it comes back,
I'm going to do a little German thing.
Then I'm going to give this doll the bath because it would rightfully be hers.
Considering the family.
Well, my question is like,
how were you able to verify that it was speaking actual German through the spirit box?
Your friend speaks German.
Yes.
Now what happens?
Now what happens if you,
do you have to show her this?
Like say, if you do a spirit box session,
would you have to show her it because of obviously it's speaking in German.
If it does it again,
would you have to show her it to like translate it?
Yeah.
Yes.
I would have her there to see,
you know,
if it is.
No,
that's a great experiment to try out.
But I've never heard German come across my spirit box.
Yeah.
No,
no,
I've never heard it.
That was the craziest thing.
Yeah.
That reminds me of my Bruce Lee session I did.
Like I took Chinese in high school and I said,
Bruce, can you, can you say hello in Chinese?
And he said,
ni hao.
And I was like,
yeah.
Nice.
That's so cool.
So tell me,
I mean,
how did you get into the paranormal?
I know I've asked you this on a personal level and stuff like that.
Let me ask you on the show,
how did you get into the paranormal and what got you into it?
Well,
pretty much my hometown I grew up in.
And I grew up in the city of Oregon.
And that's where a lot of the.
Gold mining was happening in the gold dredge and stuff like that.
So.
You know how people get when there's gold around back in the day.
Gold fever.
Yep.
And.
So.
There's a lot like.
There was a lot of tunnels under the town.
This is a small town population,
10,000 small town,
but there was tunnels everywhere.
And when they were pulling up the history.
Because of the gold rush and stuff like that.
They had.
Chinese men that would be,
you know,
Do the hard labor work for them.
Yeah.
But just a lot of killings,
a lot of logging.
Log.
Lot of negativity.
I feel like I'm starting to.
Flurp up here.
A lot of negativity going on because of how many people.
Was killed there.
Just everything going on.
So pretty much any house you were in for the most part.
You could feel something.
There was something there.
I was reading comments.
Hold on.
I'm sorry.
I got to stop reading comments.
I'm sorry.
So.
My first experience.
I can actually remember that was very.
I want to say.
Yeah.
Something that I will never forget.
You know,
I probably had other experiences when I was younger seeing stuff,
but this one.
Back in the day.
We were able to babysit at the age of nine.
So, I mean.
Wow.
That's a good one.
I was in the age of nine.
That's where the saying.
Not a China man's chance.
Came from.
Was from the China man.
China.
Men mining.
Because they would hang them over the cliffs or go into the caves and
they would be the ones to ignite the dynamite.
Okay. Yes. See.
Okay.
I don't even know that. Yeah.
I think I know what you're talking about.
Oh, it happened in something. Oregon.
It was a paranormal show.
Haunted caves or something like that, or.
I think I know what you're talking about.
I forgot the name of the show, but I.
I know what you're talking about.
It was caves.
It was a show.
Paranormal.
It was a show.
And they had a series of that.
Wow.
So what, what happened to me?
When I was babysitting.
This little girl, she was.
I must say like four.
And she would always tell me that there was a guy standing in the corner.
And he's talking to her and, you know, nine years old, I'm like,
Oh, I can't see him.
I'm like, okay.
If you say so.
And she goes.
I'm like, where's this lady?
And she said in the basement.
Well, their basement was, you know,
the dirt floor and those rock kind of walls, like you had to dig.
To make that basement.
But in that house.
The father was a drummer.
And we, we would hear tapping.
On the drum.
Like that.
Going there is like nothing.
There's nothing on the floor.
That was all the way down.
The roof.
And the time that.
Stove would turn on.
And the crazy and scary thing about this, it was a gas stove.
I was just about to.
Yeah.
That was scary.
Or just the gas becoming out.
It would be lit.
So it's.
Yeah, that's freakier.
And,
Well,
Then you would hear tapping on the cymbals and the other crazy thing was it was across
the street from a cemetery.
So of course, you know.
So this is going to be the first time I'm telling this story, the entire story because
what had happened because that little girl, her name was Krishna, I will never forget
that, would constantly to her parents talk about this lady that's hurt and she needs
help and she's in the basement.
So my mom at the time, my biological mom at the time and you know the family, they're
like, you know, let's go in the basement, try to figure out.
So hello everybody coming in.
They had dug through like the dirt brick walls or not brick, but it was the dirt and the
rock walls and stuff.
And I guess behind there they found a boarded up door that, you know, big enough to where
you can crawl into.
Yeah.
So then the cops get involved because there were bones that were found.
Oh wow.
So there was definitely some fall play, you think?
Yeah.
And you know, that, that went on for like a year or so before they even said, Hey, let's
go check down the basement.
But yeah, that's what happened there.
And then that's kind of terrifying.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
From what you experienced and then find out the bones are found and then you know, you're
not crazy.
And it's like, you know, no one will believe me.
Crazy.
Am I crazy?
Are we all crazy?
Cause back in the day that stuff was shunned.
You didn't speak of it because you were crazy.
How old were you when that happened?
I was nine.
Wow.
That's what I'm saying.
I like your memories that good.
It's like your memory.
With something like that.
Yes it is, babe.
Yeah.
Right.
I tell you, that's something I would not forget.
But, so tell me like, how'd you get PBX started and how'd you get into investigating?
Like I know did you go, you obviously went through a multiple events and throughout your
life, but what got you into actual investigating?
Okay.
So when I said to get married, have a family, I want to put the investigation, you know,
part on hold.
And before I even did that, I would go out and investigate, but I guess it was a different
type of investigation.
We didn't have the radios and stuff like that that we have nowadays.
It was just basically you got to listen and hear things and you know, and they really
did speak to you and communicate to you, whether you had something or not, electronic device
or not.
The Polaroid cameras back then, the best.
Yeah.
That's what I use.
I still use it.
The best.
I got pictures of when we were in the hotel room, staying at the grand hotel, which is
very haunted.
Huh?
Yeah.
It's, it's very haunted.
You can Google that the grand hotel and that's one of the hotspots in Oregon.
That's my hometown.
Jay and I got pictures of, you can see the orbs just, he's standing like right in the
middle and that's one of the hotels where a lot of the men would come in during the
gold rush times and stuff to stay in that hotel.
Cause there was a hotel bar, um, very high in energy.
Yeah.
But so when I decide it's time to settle down, get married, I didn't want all this stuff
to kind of move over into my family.
I just wanted to put it back on the back shelf.
Um, but that didn't help.
It still decided to come through.
Um, so when Jay and I bought this house, this is crazy.
Jay and I bought this house and, um, for the first five years, like we've sat in the other
living room and I don't know if you guys seen him live, you'd see the TV behind him, but
the couch we sit there, watch TV, but there's a hallway right there.
And once in a while I would see the shadow kind of come peeking around the hallway and
then go like that.
And so, you know what I do?
I'm yelling at the kids, go to bed.
You know, that's what I was thinking.
It was about the kid hype and, uh, I guess Jay had saw the same thing for the first five
years.
I'd need a drink.
That's it.
I'm just waking up.
And so one day we were sitting in the living room, watching a movie, being all relaxed
and we were kids free.
So there was nobody in the house and, uh, all of a sudden something caught my, out of
my peripheral vision.
I looked over there and I looked back and Jay goes, what'd you see?
I'm like, nothing.
He goes, no, what did you see?
I'm like, nothing.
He goes, I'm going to show you what you saw.
And he goes over there and he mimics it.
And of course, now I'm trying to pick my jaw up off the floor.
I'm like, how do you know?
He goes, I see the same thing.
I'm like, no, it goes.
Yeah.
So there's that.
Um, all my kids are gifted.
Um, I have one kid I found out, um, he was, uh, like 15, 16 when he told me, um, he can
astral project.
I'm like, what?
You didn't tell me this earlier.
He was, well, I thought you thought I was going to be crazy.
I'm like, no.
So he's an astral project.
He gets into a lot of that.
Wow.
That's an amazing gift to have.
I've done it once.
I'm jealous.
John and me have been talking about it a lot lately and he actually did it.
And he's like, dude, it was so terrifying.
And like, I was like, yeah, it is when you're not used to it.
It's definitely terrifying.
Yeah.
So there's that, um, and at a time, uh, Ozzy was at a football game or he played football
and we had to go out of town to that game.
And I had my daughter Cheyenne and her friend Mercedes and they were cheerleaders.
So we had to get them to the game because you know, football players go out first in
practice and stuff.
So, um, here in Portland, there's, there's like 13 bridges you got to go across to get,
we had to go to Hillsborough and the bridge we were going across was, um, Fairmont, Fremont,
Fremont bridge.
And it was during rush hour.
There's like five lanes and I was in the fast lane.
And as you're coming up over the bridge, it kind of like turns like that, you know, gradually.
So the cars were going by so fast and I'm coming up and then all of a sudden I see this
car, the traffic had come to a complete stop.
And I'm like, Oh my God, I had three choices, turn off and go into the river, which that
one, this person, and that would have been a hard hit or cut into traffic.
And I honestly think my guardian angel was there because we all screamed as I turned,
my eyes were shut.
We screamed, opened up our eyes and there was no traffic.
And it was just going like that.
Passing by passing by.
But then, so the next day I get a call from my other son who wasn't with us.
We didn't tell anybody about that story.
He's like, mom, I had a really bad nightmare yesterday.
I'm like, what?
What do you mean?
He goes, I had a really bad nightmare.
He goes, you, you and dad are okay, right?
I'm like, yeah, we're fine.
I'm like, what's it about?
He goes, I woke up screaming.
I'm like, what happened?
Wow.
He said he goes, I had a dream.
You and dad and Cheyenne went off the bridge going to Portland.
Yes.
And I'm like, okay, this is a little creepy.
I asked him, I go, who was driving?
He goes, dad was like, okay.
And I explained to him, I was driving and I'm thinking that's probably what saved us
too, because Jay was going to drive.
I'm like, no, let me drive.
I can get us there.
You know, so
Well, thank you, Laura.
It was right in line.
Oh my gosh.
And then him telling you that, that is why we can't scream.
We're thinking when we screamed that projected, you know, no, the dad wasn't driving.
The dad was going to drive.
Yes.
The dad was supposed to drive, but I decided to drive.
Thanks a lot.
See, it's so crazy how those little synchronicities line up.
Yeah.
And that's what goes to show like that is what I try to tell people.
That's how the spirit world reaches out is through those synchronicities.
It may be as small as a dime or as big as a feather.
Like it could be multiple things or as big as a billboard.
I mean, flat out in your face.
I mean, my dad used to get his answers that way sometimes.
So I mean, he needed to smack that in his face for him to understand.
So yeah, that's, that's like when I was in Iraq and, and I heard that voice say, whatever
you do, don't go on this mission.
And, and I, I was all by myself and I heard that voice and, and I said, you know what,
sorry, I, I can't go on this mission.
And I took radio guard and that's when a car bomb killed three of my friends.
So
that is tough because it's a gift and a curse at the same time.
You know,
Yeah.
But that was, and then we have other experiences here.
It's not your show.
I gotta let the dog out.
Hold on.
That's funny.
Looks like a French bulldog.
Yeah.
English bulldogs.
English bulldog.
But Lily's ears stick up like a Frenchie's, but she doesn't have the bat shape.
Her ears aside.
They didn't want to stay down.
I got three of mine down here.
They're sleeping on the couch.
So let me ask you this.
So I know you have more experiences to tell us about, about this house that you're in
now, but let me ask you, you just had on David Oman, right?
Or was it David Oman and who was, who was the other person that I just saw?
John O's Zuna.
That's his last.
Okay.
That's how you say his name.
He is an amazing actor, stuff like that.
But I know I saw him on another show and he was just the nicest guy ever.
How was it to first interview him?
Oh, he is an amazing guy.
Very sweet down to earth.
And when I met him in person and when it comes to people, he's, he's all for the people.
He's all for, like when I saw him at the fair fast and signing autographs with these kids,
it's all about the kids.
He's also a martial arts champion and teacher and, you know, very down to earth.
He very humble.
I guess that would be the word.
You know, definitely I would recommend definitely this guy.
If anybody wants to interview him, definitely do that.
He also said anybody who wants an autograph picture, just reach out to him and he'll send
it to you.
I mean, who does that?
That's amazing.
Somebody that's connected with his spirit, you know, and just nothing matters.
You're, you're in living in the now, you know, he's, yeah, he's a real major.
Yep.
Yeah.
That's great to see because you don't see a lot of, you know, actors, stuff like that,
that really care about the people that really make them who they are.
You know, it's all about the fans, you know?
So, but tell me, so you're, so David Oman, what was that like?
David Oman, he's a great guy.
I've talked to him behind the scenes and stuff.
My husband ended up taking him down that rabbit hole.
And when that happens, the guy gets all crazy, but he, you want somebody who's straight forward
who will tell you how it is, that would be the guy to have as an interview.
That's awesome.
You know, and the other thing with him too, I want to say he's humble because we were
trying to promote his book and, you know, basically talked about the book and tossed
it and that was it.
And then sitting here, he's like, it's almost like not being interviewed, but he wants to
sit there, don't ever do it again, Sarah says.
See, it's one of those things, the 55th, you get half the people that hate you and the
other half will love it, you know?
It's, then also depends on which David you get, but David is an amazing guy.
He really is.
He doesn't always, he looks at things way differently, excuse me, than other people.
Yeah.
Just don't take him down that rabbit hole.
I know, I would tell you what not to say or ask, but otherwise, he's a good guy.
He really is.
You should tell him to come on this show.
I would love to have him and pick his brain.
See, even Greg wants to pick his brain too, because he's very eccentric.
I thought I was eccentric.
No, no, no, no.
This guy, you open up the dictionary, eccentric, has his picture.
Well, you know Ken Allen and Ken Allen is very eccentric.
If he beats Ken Allen, then that's a feat, because Ken Allen's awesome, but he's very
eccentric.
The thing you don't mention is, was your house built on Native American land?
He flips out.
He's like, nope, and tells you this whole long story.
I had to do a say yes or no.
That's where the rabbit hole started.
Jay starts talking about UFOs and aliens.
Oh no.
Yeah, that was.
Yep, you did it.
You did it.
But I have to say that is amazing.
Thank you, Guns and Beers.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, thank you so much.
I just want to say, so tell me, tell us a little bit about, actually, John, you asked
your question, because I'm asking too many here.
Oh, geez.
I guess, what would be your most frightening paranormal experience, besides when you were
nine?
Like, once you knew what was going on.
I always have to look back at probably when I did the USS North Carolina Battleship.
I've never seen an apparition.
I want to see an apparition, but probably what came so close is I was sitting on the
floor in the little hallway.
We were actually in the medical area, the hospital part of it.
Medical bay, yeah.
Yeah, yes, the medical bay, yes.
And Patty and I just got done doing the SS method.
And I'm sitting on the floor.
I just turned my camera off, but there was a camera down the hall, so I got to find who's
got that footage, but I just happened to look up, and the plexiglass, I see a face looking
down at me.
And you can see the wrinkles and the whole face.
I'm just like, oh my God.
And I jumped up, because I screamed first.
I screamed.
I was like, ah, because it startled me.
And I jumped up.
And then I'm getting mad, because I was like, I thought somebody was in there.
And I was pissed, because I'm trying to do something serious.
And somebody's trying to scare me.
So I'm banging on.
I'm like, who's in there?
Is there a way to get back there?
And everybody's like, no.
Nobody get in there.
Everything's locked up and stuff.
So I calmed down about that.
The mat comes down, and he says he's getting ready to leave and stuff like that.
And I'm like, oh my God, I got to tell you what I saw.
And I start to tell him.
He goes, wait.
OK.
I had to put that out there.
That's fucking too great.
Well, that's my husband.
That's awesome.
Oh, Jesus.
Only he would write that.
Matt goes, let me tell you what you saw.
I'm like, OK.
So we walked down the hallway.
He goes, you saw something come out of this area?
I'm like, yeah.
He goes, I saw a face earlier.
I'm like, what?
I was freaking out.
So that was confirmation that something is in there, but not in there.
It's like a spirit is trapped there.
And it's a bathroom.
I went on my very first investigation.
And the second night, I looked to the left as I was wrapping up.
I looked into this room, and I saw an apparition standing there staring out the window.
I said, nope.
And I went into my room and went to bed, I put the headphones on and the covers on.
No way, man.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, when you see one, it's scary.
I mean, I don't care who you are.
It's scary.
It was like white and twinkling and stuff.
Really?
It was amazing to see.
And I verified it the next day.
I put the cat ball in the center of the room.
And I said, Sharon, was that you that was here last night?
And I saw you.
And the cat ball went off for like 20 minutes.
It just kept going off and off.
And there was nothing, no apparition, nothing standing up.
And I told Kelly about it.
And because that was the room that her mom died in.
And her mom helped me get rid of this evil entity that was in their house.
Yeah.
Wow.
It was so cool.
Yeah, it was cool.
Yeah.
And people were like, well, if you saw it, why didn't you grab a camera?
Sometimes you just don't think about that.
You're just like your jaws like, well, I was going live.
Like I do all my investigations live and and I was I was always when you turn the camera
off.
Yeah.
But I tell you what, when I first saw that, I saw the apparition that I saw twice and
in my grandmother's house once with my whole family and then once by myself.
When I saw by myself in my room, when I woke up in the middle of the night, I went to grab
my camera because I kept it with me because nobody was believing me.
So I kept my camera always next to me.
So I went and I turned grab my camera.
When I turned back to take a picture, it was like a it was like a pile of leaves being
taken by the wind and she like evaporated.
And it was like, holy shit.
Like so even having a camera in your hand, you were like, when that happens, you're like
what?
She was solid as me and you.
So to go from solid to evaporation, I was just like, I didn't know what to do.
You know what I mean?
So you don't really think of it in that moment, you know, especially when you see it.
Exactly.
It happens when you don't want it to.
Right.
Definitely.
Always.
So tell me, do you have any investigations lined up right now?
I do.
Can you talk about them?
Yes, I would love to talk about them.
So I'm going to be going to Paracon.
Yeah, Paracon at Tombstone, Arizona.
And it's April 26th through the 28th.
And I'll be doing I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to do there, but I'm going to be
doing something because of course, there's a lot of history.
Tony Rasmund was on last week and he's going to be there too at the at the Paracon.
Yeah, he's a speaker.
Yeah.
See, I should get him on before I go to.
And that was a crazy thing.
So my next week's speaker, my next week's guest is Rick McCollum.
If anybody knows him, you know, AJ got me hooked up with him and stuff.
Thank you, AJ.
That was this guy down to earth too.
And I have you interviewed.
I've I knew his whole team.
If you knew who his whole team was for his Hollywood paranormal investigations, you would
crap yourself like it's a Texel changes master guy, the Jason guy.
And then I forget the other the last one.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
That is like the ultimate Hollywood squad right there.
Right.
Of horror.
Like, so yeah.
And when he said he would love to come on my show, I was just like, thank you.
And then the other cool thing about this and I want people to know, yes, AJ and I were
talking AJ brought him into the hall like, hey, join our call with us.
And he did.
And he is so humble to just like John, you know, and so we were talking and because you
left the call, AJ and yeah, no, he left the call.
I can't remember.
It was I was I left the call so you guys can talk about whatever.
Yeah.
And we've been talking like, you know, it's like every two days or something like that.
Just, you know, preparing.
So I bought his book just so, you know, I look good.
I know what's going on and.
And my dog's growling to get in.
Hold on.
Cliffhanger.
I'll be right back.
Time out.
You know, it's funny, G.T., you say that nobody in the paranormal is humble.
I tell you what, I found out that there is a lot of people that aren't humble in the
field.
But you know what?
There is good people.
Like, like, like John and like Tony, and there is good, humble people in the field.
So it's just, you know, getting fewer and fewer, unfortunately.
And you know, so with him, he's he was a stunt man.
He played in many movies, too.
Yeah.
And, you know, he's into the paranormal.
He's traveled to Ireland.
He's been to Lep Kats, Lep Lep Castle.
And then I was like, I remembered hearing that name or seeing that name somewhere.
He's going to be at the paracon, too.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I was like, I'm going to check it out.
My first one to go to.
You should go.
You should really go.
You're not that far from there.
Yeah, I know.
I just got to motivate myself, I guess.
We do a paracon here in Connecticut.
Amy Bruni.
Yeah.
She's going to be there.
All right.
Yeah.
Look at these paranormal people that's going to be there.
You got to be there, man.
And this is the second year.
I should just bite the bullet and go.
Oh, Chris wants to go to road trip.
Yeah, it should.
It would be fun.
And the other thing, talk about a really, really small world.
In his book, he talks about the Omen house.
Him and Dave Omen are friends.
And I just had him on my.
So I mean, how does that work out?
That's really cool.
That is so awesome.
See, you know, exactly like she when I hooked you up with Rick, you know, I think that that's
how the field should be, you know, like we work together, like, you know, we share it
together.
We're like that because meeting these great people, like we can all learn from each other.
And I think that that's what's so great about everything, you know, and like especially
having a show that are willing to share.
Yeah.
What do they call it?
Gatekeeping?
If they don't, you guys don't be fucking gay.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, you know, you're good.
This is NC 17 gatekeepers.
Come on.
Like, why?
Why would you do that?
Yeah.
I tell you what, definitely Tony because Tony has an amazing device called the static on
and he's using Marcello Bocchi's basically work, but progressing it.
And basically, you put Marcello Bocchi, if you know anything about him, do you know anything
about Marcello Bocchi?
No.
Okay.
He's an Italian researcher.
Look him up.
He's an amazing.
He used to take a shortwave radio and he used to basically tune between eight hertz and
nine hertz, go back and forth and all of a sudden spirit would stop the static and all
of a sudden August the wind would come and then voices would come out clear as day and
speak to him and he would have like 70, 80 people at his house and all of a sudden things
would app or into the room, like flowers and stuff for the family members that were there
that that actually can be verified by the family members that there was some trinket
that meant something to them.
And it's amazing.
Pulled out the fuses and the voices still came through.
What?
The FBI in this in the scientists were involved in this and they couldn't figure out how he
was doing it.
So they're he's using a similar method and what he's getting is similar to what Marcello
Bocchi is getting and it's just absolutely mind blowing.
Wow.
Damn.
Okay.
I'll definitely check out that guy.
Sounds really, really cool.
No, talk to Tony about it.
I'm serious.
Tony would be a great guest for your show.
You know, behind the scenes, just say, hey, how did you get there?
He knows so much about Bocchi and and what he's doing now.
Like when I interviewed him, he he had one of those white noise machines, you know, that
you would set by your bed.
And he was able to get voices through that white voice machine.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm like this guy already.
Yeah, you're going to love them.
I'm telling you, check out I'll send you the link.
And me after this is called Afterlife Investigations on YouTube.
And it does a whole episode on the skull experiment along with Marcello Bocchi.
And you're going to be shocked at what the skull experiments about.
Really?
You're going to shock the evidence.
I call it.
I'm out of this world.
It's pretty cool.
I advise everyone watching the skull experiment.
And I will share it on my community tab, too.
So that way, I'm telling you, people will love this documentary.
I'm telling you, it's the best evidence ever caught, in my opinion.
So it took us two episodes to go through.
Yeah.
Yeah, we had it was great.
But tell me, what are some of the stuff you guys are experiencing in this home?
Oh, so there was another time we were using our camera and we're like, we wanted to talk
to see who was in here.
And it was in back in the other end of the house.
And we're asking, you know, the normal questions, you know, hi, what's your name?
We wait, you know, did this for like 15 minutes, introduce ourselves.
And the last thing I said, would you like to speak with us?
And we put it back.
It goes, you know, like that.
And so, yeah, that happened back in our bedroom.
So there was that one, but it was a deep male voice whispering.
No.
Wow.
Yeah.
And that was down here all the time.
Jay freaked out on that one.
Yeah, I would have.
So I got a haunted doll from Jen and Eddie.
Do you guys know them?
Eddie and Jen and Eddie?
No, they support a lot of people.
So my mouse keeps dying.
I got a haunted doll from them.
His name's Andy.
And in the front living room.
I don't know where he's at now.
That's what's freaking me out now.
But in the front living room, when he's in there, we got those lights, the circular lights
in the ceiling and they would dim down.
If they're on, they would dim off.
Wow.
I'm like, okay, turn the lights back on, please.
And then we go up.
Jay has it where the dimmer switch, you can actually see the dimmer switch move down.
Get out of here.
Swear to God.
No, that is wild.
I would have been out of that house in a freaking minute.
Are you kidding me?
I would have stayed and investigated you.
You go ahead.
I have a question.
GT Adventure said, Emmy should show your orb video.
J Mac thought that was good.
Tell me how do I get to it?
Is it on your paranormal YouTube?
Show your orb video.
Jay?
I'm not.
Yeah, I gotta find out where he has it.
Voidman, welcome.
I haven't seen you in a while.
Jay, Jay back.
Can you hear me?
Jay?
I'll let you know.
Yeah.
Maybe he went to the bathroom or something.
He gave up on you.
He was like, I'm done.
Yeah, I will get him as soon as he responds to me.
So let me ask you this.
Do you have any remains of family members in your house?
Like ashes?
No.
Not yet.
I'm not coming.
That sounds bad.
But yeah, because he just passed away.
So I'm just waiting on his remains.
But so back to Andy, let me tell you.
Yeah.
Andy is very mischievous.
And Jen and Eddie will tell you this.
So he also likes to travel.
So that's why I'm thinking he's in the camper.
I took him camping with us.
And Jay didn't know.
I just kind of put a little spot for him up there above the bed.
Right above the bed.
So I'm like, OK, let's see how this goes.
So we were sitting there.
And our camper slides out to the dining room in a living room area.
And we were slid out.
The TV was over there.
And Jay's like, you ready to go to bed?
I'm like, yeah.
And I'm like, go ahead and turn out the TV.
Then the TV shuts off.
Jay goes, did you do that?
I'm like, no.
And the TV is not voice command or anything like that.
And so, thank you guys.
So he turns it back on.
And then he's like, he goes, repeat it.
He goes, you ready for bed?
I'm like, yeah.
Go ahead and turn the TV off.
And we looked up, the TV shuts off.
And then the speakers shut off.
And we're like, yeah, there was no electricity in there?
No nothing?
During sessions, yeah.
This one turned off right after a response.
Yeah, it's crazy.
So after staying there, we come back home.
And I bring Andy back in the house.
And then the lights would dim down.
I'm like, please turn the lights back on.
Then they would go back up.
And Jay goes, Jay sees me hold the doll.
And he goes, you didn't take that doll with us, did you?
Oh my gosh.
And then you whipped it out.
Yeah, you whipped it out.
And he was like, I should have brought this.
Yeah.
And I'm like, that probably explains why the TV was being turned off.
And Jay was ready to vouch for our experiences.
Because when they had the doll, stuff like that would happen.
He would play with their electronics.
So yeah.
But now, like I said, I went to go get him the other day.
He was usually in my cabinet with my gemstones.
He's not there.
I'm like, where the fuck is the doll?
Hey, Jay Max, Jay Max response.
What?
Yeah, that was it right there.
He got pissed and it was over with.
Yeah.
All because of the doll.
You had to bring the doll with you.
Yeah.
He was.
Yeah, that's what he did.
He was like, what?
So.
Yeah, no, that's crazy though.
That is absolutely crazy.
I mean, now have you done like a full fledged investigation of the house yet or no?
No, not really.
I mean, we've owned this house for 22 years.
Oh, you got to do a full one because you don't know what you're going to get.
But then again, though, it's like that is your home space.
And God forbid, you don't want to open something up.
So I get that.
But maybe it needs to be closed.
Maybe yeah, maybe it needs to be closed.
You never know.
Yeah.
No, that's that's a window.
It was a real window, but my husband took the picture, blew it up and put it behind
the window to make it look like we're looking outside.
That is so cool.
I thought that was actually an outside.
No, that's oh, now I see it.
Oh my gosh.
I see it.
I thought that was something.
Oh, wow.
Never mind.
That's just that's cool.
I like that.
Yeah.
My husband's a photographer and he just blew it up.
And that's so cool.
We got a lot of those around here.
Now tell me, OK, as as having a husband that's a photographer, what is your opinion on pictures
in the paranormal, like taking pictures with, you know, say getting evidence on pictures,
because there's some that I've seen that are really great.
Like Robbins, one of our hosts, he has an amazing picture that we've actually gave to
the Ryan Institute.
They can't figure it out.
But tell me, as a photographer, that, you know, what do you think of pictures in the
paranormal?
Pictures are good.
I mean, back in the day when it was only, you know, film and stuff, I mean, you couldn't
manipulate that stuff.
Yeah, I can.
And now that's that's the only difference.
I don't know.
I trust.
Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, that that's so much better, because, like I said, you can't manipulate that where
these you can't.
I have a question when you all can get to any thoughts on the talks about the built
in features in a Tesla car where they're talking, where they're taking your I got Robbins pictures,
dude, if you want me to show them.
Yeah, you could you could pull up a picture if you'd like to avoid.
And I haven't heard I haven't actually heard anything of that.
I mean, have you heard anything about the Tesla stuff?
Mm hmm.
No, I never heard of that, but I'm going to have to look into that.
So thank you for bringing that up.
So Patty and I when we were in the cemetery and her car has that feature where if somebody's
too close to the back, it will start beeping and then it will put out the thing.
And we were at a cemetery parked like right in the middle of the road.
There should have been nothing behind us.
And as we're sitting there, we got this on film to hate Miss Sheets.
Hello, everybody who's coming in.
I'm sorry.
Hers would go off, too.
So is it a coincidence?
Exactly.
I mean, it's missing, but it's possible either.
Yeah, you know, definitely.
I mean, could it be like a glitch or something?
Absolutely.
Of course.
Like if it's happening to multiple vehicles, two different type of vehicles, is it possible?
Obviously, I mean, that's running the experiment with a different variable, but still the same
hypothesis.
So who knows?
You know, that could be that could be a great picture ready to pull up.
This is the one with the heat signatures in it.
Yeah.
So we sent this to the Ryan Institute.
They tried to make this.
OK, so this black figure right here in the front is a is nobody that's supposed to be
nobody there.
I mean, I can't hear you.
That's that's not a person right there.
OK, that's not supposed to be a person that's supposed to be blank.
The person in the background is his only one who's with him is his mother-in-law.
He's the one taking the picture.
This person, this black figure right here that John's pointing at is not supposed to
be there.
And it's and it's literally a picture of a shadow person.
Like as you can see, I see that we've had the Ryan Institute rip this photo apart.
It's literally legit.
It's straight from the camera.
There's no no play arounds, nothing played around with it.
Can you blow it up a little on that part?
Can you blow it up?
You're going to see what the Ryan Institute did, but go ahead, blow it up.
See how it's a little distorted right here.
They try to figure everything out to figure out what this was, but they couldn't figure
it out.
Is that not wild?
And does she have her back turned or is she facing the camera?
Her back turned with her camera.
That's her phone in her hand.
That's bright.
You see her.
Yeah.
So that she's facing that way.
And Robin took a picture of the whole room and this is what he got in the foreground.
I think I have the original.
Let me see.
Yeah, here's.
Okay.
So yeah, no, this is right before it manifested.
Scroll into that right before it manifested.
Check this out.
What the hell is that?
Right.
And then the next picture 10 seconds later was of the black guy, the black shadow guy.
It's like he came down from the roof and then 10 seconds later it was walking on the ground.
Wow.
Look at the definition in the legs.
Yeah.
It's coming down.
You could almost see his feet down there.
Like it looks like, uh, like his knee, you like, you can see his, his leg there and like,
this is his clothes and that's his knee.
That's really weird.
No, it's absolutely crazy because like I said, we sent this to the Ryan Institute and they
really ripped this apart.
Like we wanted them to, because I wanted to know, like, is it a glitch in the camera?
You know, whatever it may be.
Thank you so much, Rick, for saying that.
Um, but you know, we, we tried everything and even they were like with their best technology
were like, Nope.
They're like, this is legit.
And I'm like, wow, and then 10 seconds later was this one.
When his mother-in-law walked to the door, he took a photo and boom.
Wow.
And that's the one that they, this is their proof.
Like, like they took the picture apart.
All these dots, these purple dots are heat signatures that, that there, there was a person
there, but there's nobody there.
Wow.
It's so crazy.
Like I can't explain it.
And it makes me wonder because I'm into photography and I know that there's a lot of glitching
that can go on with cameras.
And the matrix scene of, you know, shadows can manipulate that.
There's a lot of people like, Oh, you see that face?
That's just a matrix in the, but yeah, watch on blow it up to that black figure.
Tell me it doesn't look like an older gentleman almost with his back turned, like, you know,
like this with a hat on almost.
It looks like it came there.
Yeah.
Is that not wild though?
Like I can't get over that picture because like, I don't normally take pictures because
of the major chain because that's Robin's gift.
He can take pictures and he'll see spirit in his picture.
That is the most amazing thing that I ever seen.
And the fact that he turned it over to scientists to help, that's so cool.
Yeah.
It smells like it looks like a man from the early 19 hundreds.
Right?
Yeah.
That's what I was thinking.
It's so creepy.
Like how, how can the cane manifest too?
Yeah.
Like that's a completely separate part.
And you can see the difference between him and what she looks like in the background.
Yeah.
Like it's like an actual human being.
Yeah.
And that's a shadow.
Like you could tell it's a shadow.
Like it's weird, but look how solid of a mass that is that you can't see through it.
That's the part that drives me nuts, you know?
Even going back to the one before it, dude, it's crazy.
I mean, look at that.
That is before, that's before his mom was in that doorway.
Yup.
To capture that and then capture that.
Why can't you do something like that?
Right?
Exactly.
I'm telling you.
But I can't do that anyway.
But no, that's amazing.
Jay sent me the video.
If I can share it.
Yeah.
Share your thing.
Okay.
Share, share, share it all out.
These are the vids we dream about.
I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
This is like, this is like old.
Okay.
And this is the Geyser Grand Hotel I was talking about.
Baker City.
Hey guys.
Just thought I'd show you this.
I've never shown this before.
This is some photographs from the Geyser Grand Hotel in Baker City, Oregon.
Emmy and I stayed there with the kids in 2011.
It's known to be haunted.
There's lots of stories about the place.
This is before we had any kind of paranormal equipment, any kind of ghost tools or paranormal
tools or anything.
All we had was our photographs and our camera and our phone.
And...
They're the flip phones.
You can only imagine.
They're speaking to themselves.
I hope you enjoy it.
Check it out.
Let me know what you see below.
See, I don't know about orbs like that.
That's the one thing.
I want to know what your response is on this.
Because as a photographer, I know this is a flip phone, but do you think that this could
be dust and stuff like that?
What do you think, Emmy?
Well, very prominent.
I mean, I don't always think everything's an orb, but these were very prominent from
a flip phone.
Yeah.
It's just weird how they're all perfect circles too.
Like exactly perfect.
Like they're not oblong in one area.
My theory though, right, is that this is how spirits travel and this is what the soul actually
is.
Like, I believe that they travel like this.
See how those are two different colors?
Yeah.
Like that, I believe is definitely something.
It's not just a normal dust or anything like that, but the little ones like these, I kind
of get wondered a little bit.
But I tell you what, I have a theory that this is how they travel and they get into
a ball because every time you see an orb, especially even a light anomaly that like
it does weird shapes and stuff, it's always traveling somewhere.
And I feel like that's how they travel.
And I'm wondering if the soul goes into our body through our pineal gland and obviously
is in throughout our body through spreading itself out because as you know, it can manifest
into apparitions.
Yeah, that's wild.
That one's definitely not.
Because he was a solid object and it was in between him and the camera.
I don't know.
You know, that's the thing that makes me.
There's a face in there.
Yeah, I can see that.
Yeah, that's wild.
This is the old library.
That's crazy.
I just find it so wild that they're so perfectly sphere.
Exactly.
You know what I mean?
Like always like they're always like that.
That's why I don't believe that like all orbs like that are just dust.
Or isn't that I don't think dust is a perfect circle.
No, it's not.
That was.
I mean, you know what?
That was right there.
Yeah, that was right there.
That right there is amazing.
And if you look, you can see other ones like kind of faded.
Well, there's one that's green.
There's one that's white.
Yeah, is there green in that one?
Yeah, you can like how does green reflect back?
Like that's one of the lower lower spectrums.
And then why would these two be different?
But then this is way brighter.
Even if it's huge, but you can see you can see it's transparent because you can kind
of see the chandelier.
Yeah, you can see the chandelier through the orb.
Yeah.
That's right.
I mean, even if it was moisture in the air, it would reflect blue, not green.
Yeah, this was a pink or reddish pink.
Yeah, kind of reddish.
Right.
So like this one has a solid round circle.
And then in the middle, it's kind of like this little fuzziness.
It's just solid.
You can even see faint ones to the left, like they're not and they're all perfect circles.
Yeah, I don't I don't know, man.
I really, you know.
Now I got you.
Yeah, no, definitely.
And it's good to get an inspect like an inside perspective from somebody who has a husband
that is in photography, because normally photography people will be like, oh, that's nothing.
That's just dust.
It's watermarks.
That's this.
But you want to know what they're like that prominent one just in that one picture where
one's like so and then the other ones are not.
I don't know how to explain that.
Unless it's close.
I don't know.
And it just looks like it's further away.
It could be a small.
Okay.
So the cameras we were using, I'll go ahead, some cameras we were using were getting out
of the way.
2011 what kind of cameras on our phones that we have?
We had slip phones.
Yeah.
And for it to pick up like that.
I mean, what was a pixelation like four or five on one of those phones back in the day?
Yeah, right.
Definitely.
We had snake on the phone.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I miss the car phone.
In like orbs or anything like that, because, you know, he will try to debunk that and
pick that out.
But these he couldn't.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's out there with some people are like, oh, that's dust.
Well, that's what we thought.
You know, the pictures I love are the ones back in the eighties when you had the tube
television behind people and you'd see faces show up when they took pictures.
There's like no way you could you could do that back then.
You know, right.
That's why I got this old TV, you know, to hopefully someday a face will show up during
the live session.
There's a there crazy there even there.
Oh, missed it.
That's okay.
I read it.
Oh, sorry.
No, I read it.
I don't read.
Remember, I don't.
Oh, my Paul.
That's okay.
Sixteen people over on YouTube.
Sorry.
Thank you guys so much for coming in and supporting these guys.
We're all together.
Thank you.
And then thirty one came in all together, like at one point.
So thank you guys so much for checking this out today.
And we were definitely going to have you back on because we have so much more to talk about.
But thank you so much for tuning in.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, no, of course.
And I look forward to seeing your show with Rick and everything that's going to be so
cool and that will be this Tuesday.
Can I can I give myself a plug?
I was just about to say, please shout out everything.
And I'm going to put up this little thing right here.
So go ahead.
OK.
Yeah.
So this Tuesday, it's going to be on YouTube.
PX Paranormal.
Also out there on Paralinks.
I think I believe Paralinks one and Paralinks plus and my Facebook also.
And I'm trying to think.
So it's going to be Tuesday at five p.m. Pacific, eight p.m. Eastern.
And whatever your time zones are in the middle.
I mean, come on, you guys know.
That's pretty much I don't miss it.
What?
Yeah.
Let's get it.
But anyway, so yes, please go check out PX Paranormal.
We got John dancing now.
Oh, we're.
Yeah.
And now I'm joining in.
Can I can I do one last song?
Because, you know, every time I'm on somebody's show, this is what I cause.
But if you close your emotional damage, emotional damage, emotional damage, emotional damage.
Emotional damage.
I love that guy.
Uncle Roger.
I hope it doesn't get copyrighted.
Yeah, we're definitely getting copyrighted for that one.
Yeah.
Now.
But no, it's all good.
But, Emmy, thank you so much for coming in and tuning in with us.
Appreciate you so much.
I look forward to it.
I'm going to be talking to you this week, so we'll talk and, you know, I have a couple
more guests for you.
So I look forward to it.
Thank you to everyone on any side who has showed up and tuned into this.
We appreciate you so much for that.
You can check out Talking with the Source every Sunday at three p.m. Eastern Standard
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So check us out and, you know, come check us out.
But otherwise, any thank you so much.
I will see you soon.
Thank you for having me.
And tell Jack I said hello as well.
Am I dropping down or out?
I'm going to drop.
Yeah, you could drop out.
You're good.
OK.
There we go.
Oh, big guy.
Set it back up.
All right, my brother.
So tell me, what did you think?
I thought, dude, we had an awesome show, man.
I love that.
That was amazing.
I had an awesome time.
She was a wonderful guest.
I was glad to meet her.
And it definitely, I mean, I'm so happy to be here.
I'm so happy to be here.
And it definitely, Chris, if you're still listening, we can talk later about going to
the Paracond in Arizona.
Yeah, man, I want to get down there.
But yeah, so I tell you what, I love having me on.
You know, me and Emmy, we work together in a bunch of things in the paranormal field.
And then we became friends.
And you know, she's been a great person.
But, you know, like she just said, it's not my show.
I was being interviewed.
She was.
So I appreciate you guys for, you know, coming on, listening to us.
So be on again, but keep supporting PDX Paranormal.
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This next one is just happened, actually, January 24th.
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