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Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to Talking with the Source. I'm the JK 47. AJ is not here right now, so we're going to continue with our show. We got a great show for you. I hope you're ready.
We're going to be picking the brain of Mr. Tony Rathmann. If you don't know Tony, he does a lot of work with StataCom. I'm really excited to talk to him. I want to pick his brain about a lot of stuff, man.
You know what, without further ado, first I want to shout out ParaPost. Thanks for us having us on. ParaPost, also check out Global Ghost Hunts. They're affiliated with ParaPost and AJ.
Yeah, let's get started, guys. I'm really excited. Tony, welcome, man. How are you? I'm doing great. Doing great, thank you. It's nice and warm down there in Arizona, I'm hoping.
I'm doing great. No complaints at all. 75. Yeah, that's not bad. It's better than 101 or 120, right? Exactly. Exactly.
Let's go, brother. First of all, just like we asked all our guests, man, what got you affiliated with paranormal research and digging into the afterlife? How did you start out? Well, I didn't believe in any of it.
I started out with my wife that got me involved in it. She liked watching the paranormal shows that were out early, Ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures. She thought they were fascinating.
She kept trying to get me to sit down and watch. I could last about a minute or two and I'd be like, this is BS, this isn't true. This is television.
And then she finally, I think it was Valentine's Day back in 2010. And she said, normally we'd go to a resort, hang out by the pool. She said, I want to do something different. I said, okay, what do you want to do? She said, I want to go ghost hunting.
And I was like, oh my God. I had two charges. I could take her. I could have her mad at me until next Valentine's Day. So I took her. And when we got home and she started going through the recordings, the photographs, the videos, I was blown away.
I had all this stuff in all of it that wasn't there when we took the picture, voices that were answering on the recorder that were not there when I remember recording it.
And I was blown away. And I spent probably two or three months trying to debunk it and couldn't. So finally I said to her, well, let's go back and try it again.
And we did. We got even more and went back again, even more. I think we investigated that particular hotel over 50 times. And stuff just kept coming. So then we started branching out.
We covered everything in Arizona. Then we covered Nevada. Then we covered Southern California. Then moved over to LA. Then started experimenting with locations throughout the rest of the country, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania.
Ended up going out to New Jersey area with Ron and Lourdes.
Then we went to investigate in Japan and the Philippines. And it just kept growing from there.
That's amazing, man. So let me ask, what hotel in Arizona was it?
Hotel San Carlos.
San Carlos. All right. Cool. Cool. So going in as a skeptic, you were kind of like, oh, whatever, whatever.
And what do you think now? What can you tell skeptics, you know, give it a chance or, you know, go experience it for yourself? What do you tell them?
Yeah, you have to put in the time. You have to put in the research. Just because you go one time, ask some questions. You know, you don't always get something. It takes time.
You have to, you have to have the passion to do it. You have to put in the time to make it happen and do it effectively.
And only from there does the results start to show up, start to paint a picture.
And from there, you know, that's when you get information for yourself that says, hey, this isn't normal. This shouldn't be happening.
There was no reason for this to occur. There were no other people.
And of course, knowing your surroundings, knowing what's around you, knowing what's happening, why you're investigating, super important to making sure that what you're claiming to be paranormal actually is and not just some something you overlooked or missed.
Right, right, right. Or any, you know, things in the room that could have activated it, you know, like vents and stuff like that.
Just being the skeptic, you know, in trying to debunk your own stuff that I think that's the biggest thing that investigators need to do, you know, in order to be credible.
Yeah, and it was more than just being skeptical. I mean, my father was a physics, chemistry and physical science instructor.
So, I mean, everything I asked when I said, hey, dad, why is the sky blue? Well, the sky's blue because vapor hangs out in the air. And when light hits it, it separates the colors.
Blue is the most common color, so it makes the sky look blue. Well, you know, ghosts, spirits, wasn't a conversation that came up much. So it was something that, you know, I had to just find out for myself.
There you go. There you go. And you're you're you're doing great, man. I can't applaud you on all the accomplishments that you've done. So so why don't you tell us a little bit how static Kong came to be, you know, where where where'd you start?
And how did you get to where you're at today? Well, we went out to New Jersey to do some investigation. We did a four day for haunted mansion tour with Ron and Lord as we went to Selma Mansion, White Hill Mansion, Chrysler Mansion.
And which one am I forgetting? I'm drawing a blank at the moment, but they were already experimenting with DRV.
Okay. And so we got to hear it run four days, four nights in a row, four different locations.
And it was fascinating because it wasn't it wasn't single word short answers. There was very little background noise blocking it, affecting it.
And that was intriguing to me. I mean, we we had been involved with building spirit boxes for 12 years.
And I hadn't heard anything like I heard what they were getting. So we joined forces with them and we turned it from direct radio voice, which would literally use white noise on a static station, meaning no station.
And the white noise is what spirits would use to communicate.
Well, there were a couple of concerns with that. The first concern is that any skeptic, any scientist, they basically dismiss ITC when a radio is used.
They don't take it seriously because your spirit box, your scanning radio, direct radio voice doesn't scan radio, but you're still using a device that has the ability to pick up audio and play it.
So one of the things was, can we make this?
Can we make this function without the radio? And I did a test two years ago out at the Superstition Mountains Museum, where I used a sleep machine that had the sound of white noise on it.
Yeah, yeah.
And I did this in front of a live audience and it worked. Oh, wow. In through, and it actually embedded onto the chip in those in the sleep machine.
But then we realized that we didn't need the radio at all. And we moved from a radio to a white noise generator. So all the white noise is computer chip produced.
It has absolutely no audio data in it at all. No voice, no syllables, no nothing. Pure white noise does not have audible data in it.
Right, right.
And so we could still get full sentence responses using a white noise generator. But the other thing about about Staticom and other improvements that we made is that people who do EVP do what's called record and review, meaning they turn the recorder on.
They ask a bunch of questions. Then they may take it home, back it up, play it back, review it. Then they'll go through and try and enhance it, take out background noise, try to get whatever vocals they think they have clear, more understandable.
Staticom does this all live.
Oh, wow.
We don't have to do anything. It'll clean it, it'll clear it, it'll spit out the vocals.
And Ron had gotten a response one time, but it was so fast that he couldn't understand what was being said.
So he came to me and said, Hey, how do you slow down live white noise?
And so I said, well, I think this will do it. And sure enough, it did. So not only do we clear it, not only does it filter, it's live white noise is slowed down in real time. So we don't ever have that problem of voices coming through so fast that we miss the message.
Right, right. That's crazy that it does it all at once. Because I know when I do my sessions, like, man, I got to put in a program and do the denoising to try to make the, you know, quieter and stuff. That's awesome, man.
Did you come up with the, is it a program that's in the computer or did you have to actually build the computer with hardware that has all this in it?
It uses what's called a DAW.
Okay.
And DAW programs will input mods.
And the mods are made, it's basically like a complete audio studio.
So we've got everything from de-essers to frequency filters to you name it.
So it's basically like having a full...
Musical studio, all those buttons and switches that they have, it's all in one thing. And you can focus it to give you the voices or do you focus on a certain frequency or is...
No, it uses the entire white band spectrum. Everything from 20 Hertz to 20 kilohertz.
All run simultaneously. Because we never know.
People always ask what filter, what frequency does spirit speak at? They're all over the boards. There isn't a single frequency. It doesn't exist like that.
So let me ask you this, like before you do a session or get ready for a session, do you do any type of meditation or concentration or do you just put all the faith into the computer you're using or laptop or...
Well, you know, after doing this for 12, 13 years, most of that...
Because we've been doing it for so long, those connections have already been made. Spirits will communicate with us the second we turn it on.
Over the years.
We've not had to focus so highly on getting them to communicate because it's a...
It's a back and forth appreciation. They know we're going to speak to them. They know that we're comfortable with them coming to speak to us. And so that relationship has been built upon over the last decade.
So there's not a lot of premeditation that needs to go into it outside of us activating it and saying, hey, come speak with us.
It's just amazing, man. Like, you know, I've only been doing this for three years and two of the years have just been here in my basement trying, you know, to communicate and solve cold cases and stuff.
So let me ask you this, do you believe you have to be at a location to talk to a certain spirit or can you do it at home and be able to talk to anybody?
No, spirits are not bound by time or space. Right. They can answer from anywhere.
So the first thing we realize is just because we're getting voices does not mean A, they're at the location we're at and B, getting spirits to speak does not indicate that the location you're at is even haunted.
True.
You can get them anywhere.
Okay. Have you ever done any like home cases? Have you have you helped any individuals in their home to try to talk to spirit and figure out why they're at the home like poltergeist or anything?
Yep, we have done all of that and had really good, really good responses. I mean, we've gotten everything from.
It's a shame you don't have the clips because you'll see what I'm talking about. Some of those are in there where, you know, we ask who's here. We get first and last name from first and last name.
Those were kind of vital to how Staticom works.
So, so with this first and last name responses, were you able to tie it to the location or with the people living there?
Well, there were times I mean we had one time where the people of the house said, Oh my God, that's my uncle. He, he passed away, you know, a year ago or whatever it was at that time.
But there are other times too where we've taken that name looked it up and sure enough they're they're either attached to the property or or somehow attached to the location.
It's amazing what what Staticom can actually can actually give you as far as responses.
No, exactly. You're inspiring me, man. I that's what I want to do.
I was thinking of building a box that had a analog tuner and using that and as the white noise because nothing's being broadcasted on that analog frequency anymore. So, so why not use that? What do you think of that?
Well, like I said, the main reason we completely removed from a radio was because of the skepticism that's involved with it. You know, you get every answer from, you know, you're using a device that's made to pick up audio waves.
You're getting stray radio. Well, we can't have that happen anymore. A white noise generator cannot pick up any radio wave any satellite wave any walkie talkie wave it's not physically possible.
So, to still get full intelligent responses through something that has no ability to pick up audio waves.
That's what clearly set us aside and apart from the other devices used today.
Yeah, and I'm sure, you know, like we were talking backstage, you got you got people that are, you know, truly skeptical and they want to test it out. Do you want to tell them a little about that or?
Well, no one's been able to test it yet because the research isn't done yet.
Okay, okay.
There's other complications. The fact that, you know, it's not like a spirit box where the developer builds it sells it.
And you've got a you've got a device you flip on and you can use.
This is a methodology, not a device.
So, the two problems we run into is a the amount of questions that are going to come when this does get released.
So, the four of us couldn't even handle the amount of questions that are going to come, let alone helping people figure it out what's going wrong what are they not doing right so that's part of the concern we have about releasing it.
The bigger one is that we're not done with the research yet.
And that could take that could take a while yet.
Yeah, so you're using using the scientific method, you know, come up with a hypothesis, so on so forth.
Well, yes and no.
All the research that's been done all the testing that's been done has been to probably about the highest degree of anything we've ever done before.
To throw in the term scientific method that's where it gets complicated because a most sciences whether you're talking physics chemistry psychology follow what's called materialism, or the 3D world.
Studying or testing what we consider to be paranormal science can't touch. They can't touch it because a, they can't capture it, they can't put it in a lab they can't test it.
Therefore they claim it doesn't exist.
So one of two concerns there either a, it doesn't exist. Well, we know it does, or be there's a problem within their system that doesn't allow them to accept and test what we consider to be paranormal.
And then based on what your outcome is of what the reality is around you.
You know most people refer to it today as paranormal.
Well, we refer to it as communicating with disembodied consciousness. And if you believe consciousness survives death, then there's nothing paranormal about any of this.
It's just plain normal.
So, so, our consciousness is a type of energy then right so this is get into quantum physics as far as, as how we can, how you can get these communications that come through.
Well, you know there's different variables of sciences, depending on like I said whether you're talking physics whether you're talking psychology, but there, there's probably no direct theory out there that explains all of it.
And it's because a more than 50% of the variables that are involved in this, we probably don't even know what they are, because we don't have that inside knowledge of what is on the other side.
And we won't have it until we're there and then it's too late.
So, the best way to do it is to put together theories that answer more questions than are left open and continue to go down that testing research until you either hit a wall, or you hit something that you can't explain or can't understand.
So, like I said the whole fact of consciousness.
Science today said consciousness is just a byproduct of the brain.
Well, if consciousness was a byproduct of a brain then who's answering my questions, because there is no body there. The body is gone. The brain is gone, which means the only logical explanation is that consciousness then survives.
And that is the theory under which we operate that consciousness survives without consciousness being able to communicate, facilitate energy in certain scenarios. There would be nothing paranormal.
There wouldn't, it wouldn't exist.
No, you're right. You're right. So, have you ever tried to like use your Staticom to help like a cold case to maybe help elevate the, you know, the value of Staticom? Have you ever tried that?
Oh yeah. And it worked fine. The problem was when the FBI contacted us wanting to know how we got these answers.
Yeah. No, I'm not kidding.
Really? Really? What case was it if you can tell?
No, I can't say.
Okay. All right. All right. No, that's cool, man. No. In fact, if you've gotten contacted by the FBI, I mean, people are probably watching.
They wanted to know how we got it, what the device was. They wanted to know if we had it patented. I said, well, if I patent it, I have to spell out and diagram out every aspect of how it operates.
I said, if I do that, all you got to do is go look it up. And he went out. Good point.
She said, you didn't patent it? I said, no.
Were you a little freaked out when they called you or showed up?
Well, you know, there's nothing more important than information. And when that information can come from sources that are not explainable, yeah, that can get a little scary because who doesn't want that information?
Who doesn't want to be able to get that information? And so, yeah, it was a little unnerving.
I bet, man. I can only imagine. Geez.
Wow. So I guess from there, have you ever asked Spirit about predictions?
They will not. There are what we call universal laws, and they will not go past those. There's a theory that if you have too much information, you know, you basically, your focus, your understanding basically falls apart.
And we know when we are hitting those walls with Spirit because they'll literally say, can't tell you that, can't say anymore, we're done talking.
And that's everything from lottery numbers to future predictions.
If you had all the information that's out there and knew everything, your life today here in the 3D world would become so complicated, so misaligned, you wouldn't be able to focus on anything.
And it is literally, people always say, well, what's that veil between life and death? That veil is simply the human body. It is the veil between life and death.
Our vision only sees visible light. Our hearing only goes from 20 hertz to 20 kilohertz. Our sense of smell is limited. Our sense of colors we can see. What we can feel, touch.
It is the limitations of the five senses that literally keep us away from what we call paranormal. And because unless you're considered a true medium or psychic and have that ability, the only other way to get in contact with it is through technology.
And that's what we do.
Yeah, no, exactly. Just using what you got and using, trying to get it to do things that it normally can't. I'm still getting over the fact that you use the white noise machine and got responses from that. What was that like?
Well, it's what you got to hear to believe.
And I don't know.
Let me see.
Because without it, I mean, we're talking, but the real understanding of what this thing is and how it functions kind of goes out the window.
No, exactly. I'm thinking of those little snooze machines that you put next to your bed and you hit white noise. And I can only imagine if we heard a voice coming through while you're sleeping or something.
Yeah, give me give me a second. Let me see if I can pull up at least something to demonstrate what I'm talking about.
No, no, everybody's everybody wants to say it. Roger says fire it up, Tony.
Let's see.
There's Brian Lafferty. What's up, buddy? How you doing, man? All right, let me see if I can share this. So this is when the entire
EVPI team, myself, Sheree, Ron and Lourdes and Chris and Audra, we went out to North Carolina and we investigated a house that Chris and Audra run called the Montgomery House.
Okay. And we were doing STATICOM upstairs.
And we were getting all sorts of information, but Lourdes asked the spirits, what do you like? What do you like about this house? What's your favorite part of this house?
This, hold on, I'm going to have to share this, but this was the response that came through STATICOM.
Yeah, if you hit the present and then I can pull it up.
I just got to bring it up first.
Oh, sure. No problem.
Okay, so let me share this.
Share screen.
Also share audio.
And my one entire screen. Okay.
All right, so this.
You want me to add it now and. Yeah, go ahead.
So this is upstairs at the Montgomery House. Like I said, you're going to hear Lourdes ask the spirits. What do you like about this house?
All right, all right.
All right, why can't I get rid of this?
Oh, just hit the hide button and then.
All right, here it is.
Oh my gosh, that is amazing, man.
And that's without any any white noise any, you know,
it's the white noise, the white noise is filter. Now, the way we believe this works is through what's called.
Static resonance, meaning every sound the human ear can hear is is in white noise, all at the same level, because the levels are even.
You don't hear any of it except that sort of white noise, wooshy sound.
When a spirit speaks, they go over a certain set of frequencies within the white noise.
Yeah, yeah. So what happens is that emboldens those frequencies,
but doesn't raise the background noise of the white noise, it elevates the sound of the voice on top of the white noise static sound.
So it's kind of like the difference between standing outside and having one bee fly by you or an entire hive.
That sound gets elevated.
Yeah, that's how we figure this is this is working.
That's crazy, man. You know, I'm so I'm so in awe right now.
Like, like, I'm ready to drive down to Arizona just to sit with you to see if we can get my brother through.
Because I mean, what we've done, what we've seen it do so far, like I said, we don't we don't know the boundaries yet.
We don't know, you know, people always ask us, well, how do you know what or who you're speaking to?
Well, we always don't know. Yeah, we can ask.
And we've had spirits answer and say we're spirits.
But does that mean we couldn't be speaking to extraterrestrial?
Does that mean we couldn't be speaking to multidimensional? Absolutely not.
If the method is used and can be used by one, there is no reason why it couldn't be used by another.
I mean, most people that talk about UFO encounters say, well, I heard them speaking to me, but their mouth never moved.
Well, it's because they're not using vocal sounds.
They're using some sort of mental energy.
Yeah, some sort of static or telekinetic. You think that's what they call it.
Telekinesis, you know, putting the sound in your brain.
So so based upon that, once once you figure this out, OK, are you going to go to like glasses where we can see the different light frequencies?
Could you use the same technology that way?
Well, when you're talking about light frequencies and you're talking about producing images.
Yeah. Well, eventually, like I said, this isn't something that, you know, you do over a weekend and you're done.
Right. I know. I know. I'm just I'm just thinking out loud, man.
How cool would that be to hook your machine up and wear the glasses and see who's saying that?
I mean, there's lots of tests that were done by like Reynaldo.
I think Dr. Annabelle Cardoso did some as well, where both audio and visual were combined.
So do we know that it could probably be accomplished? Yes.
Are we ready to throw that out now? No, no.
That's crazy. So so are you at the point where where you can manufacture, you know, your your devices?
Well, again, it's not a device. It's a it's a method programs or you know what it is.
Yeah. I mean, we're not at a stage, though, where we know we're even done.
Right. We've made some great accomplishments, but there's a lot left to do. And, you know, when that day will eventually come that we say, OK,
we're at a point where we feel it's at an acceptable level to release, you know, that may be there now.
I don't know. But are we ready to do that yet? No. And for some of the reasons why I explained before.
Right. But, you know, we want to get it in the hands of typical investigators because we know they're going to be able to produce similar results.
And the results are literally mind blowing. You know, you're not talking about trying to decipher what was said in between static.
And and I mean, the the voices are about as crystal clear, at least right now, as we've been able to get it.
Now we've got lots of tests going on to improve that. But, you know, all those things still require time research, test after test after test.
But let me play for you another example. Yeah, no, I'd love it. Yeah.
So this was that this one was at the same house we were just talking about. OK. And we were in there.
Oh, let me pause this a second. And Chris, we were at the bottom of the stairs. We hadn't gone upstairs yet.
And I see Chris looking at the stairs and I looked over and I looked on the first landing.
And I saw some little girl standing in the corner. Oh, no way. What? And then Chris said to me, he goes, do you see her?
I said, there's there's a little girl standing in the corner. He goes, so you can see her. I said, yes.
And that that's not common for me to see that.
And then we we went outside and when we were standing outside talking, I saw the same girl lean over and look out the window at us.
What? Chris saw it too. And Chris goes, did you see it? I said, yeah, she just stuck her head, poked it out the window.
He said, yeah, he goes, I can't believe you can see that. I said, I've never been able to see that before.
Well, when we got done with all that, we went upstairs and turned Staticom on and we're asking questions.
And this this is what Staticom said after that. After after everything that you just experienced.
Correct. OK, all right.
Let's see.
I can't get over that, man. I I I saw my first apparition as helping this family and I saw this glowing white light and and I went to the next room.
I was like, nope, not not ready for that. It was my first investigation.
I was like, nope. All right. You ready? You want to show this? Yeah. OK.
So, like I said, this is the same house. Yeah. But here is what the response that came through Staticom.
What?
Tony Rathmann can see that is clear as clear can be, man. That is amazing.
Yeah. And they nailed it because that's exactly what just occurred. I've never seen that before.
And you know, and not only not only did it accurately and intelligently define what occurred.
Yeah. Said my first and last name. Yeah. No, I was clear as day.
I'm so jealous, man. You need another member on your team. I'll take the Colorado area.
And it's wild. It's wild stuff. No, no doubt about it. But, you know, we.
Like I said, every time we. Mess with it, something else occurs, but I'm going to I'm going to play one more.
And this is actually this is actually we we had just started.
This was probably two years ago, three years ago. OK. And we had a voice come through.
And the voice identified himself as Bocci, Marcello Lott.
Now, was this the Ron's device or was this when you first were starting your Staticom stuff?
I can't remember whether this was Staticom or DRV. I think it was Staticom.
But this was off of my machine.
And the one I'm going to play after that, this came off of Ron's machine.
Ron and Lourdes are in New Jersey. We're in Phoenix, Arizona.
So we are literally across the country from each other. Thousands of miles apart. Right.
So here is. Here's the first one.
OK, let me share this. It's on there. Yeah, you're good. OK.
All right. Here it is.
What?
Spirits, can you please try to communicate with us through this device?
Bocci.
Can you see us?
Yes.
Thank you.
It is working. Can you please try to communicate with us?
Wow, man. So we got a question from ERRT radio. It says, can the echo be adjusted?
There is no echo. There isn't no echo. There are no there are no side effects in this at all.
No reverb. No, none of that. That's right. That's awesome.
So like you were saying earlier, it's just the sound studio.
You know, it's automatically adjusting, you know, the frequencies, the D verb.
And it's doing it all on its own. Right. Correct.
OK, wow. That is crazy, man.
What's the next one you wanted to show us? I think it was with Ron's DRV.
Right. The next one's from Ron Staticom.
And it was literally a day after, two days after the one I just played.
So let me find that. Hold on.
Dude, wouldn't it be crazy if you're like Michello Bocci in the past life or something?
Well, considering he answered on the last one I just played, I can't be in two places at once.
So it wasn't me. All right. So here's the one.
All right. So this is the one Ron got. So, all right.
Let's see. Is the audio still shared? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. You're still good.
All right. Here it is.
Wow.
Wow. What?
Oh, wow.
That was insane.
I'm going to go to the
church. It's crazy. Yeah. So,
you know, the the the craziest
thing about it is when we
started realizing the
responses that we're getting
was like I said, for 1213
years, I built spirit boxes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. But
the thing about a spirit box is
you're asking and you ask
question after question after
question, hoping, hoping to get
some kind of response. One of
the first times I turned on
Staticom and realized they were
asking me questions. I was
like, what's the huge difference
between what Staticom can do and
what your typical spirit box
does? Well, like you were saying
earlier, you don't know who's on
the other end. You know, what
if it is an alien or maybe it is
spirit? You you don't know, you
know, that's that's the thing.
We're we're like you were saying,
we're stuck in this 3D world.
You know, we we have no idea
what what the fourth dimension,
fifth dimension offers, you
know, and you're not well on
your path to to finding out.
Let me ask you this. Do you do
you believe that you have
spirit guides? That spirit
guides are with you on helping
you on this life path? Well, I
mean, I'm sure there's some
influence from any
from any spirit, whether you
consider it a guide or not.
You know, what you consider your
spirituality to be and what you
consider to be, you know, your
various religious background,
cultural backgrounds, but you
know, physics alone says energy
cannot be created or destroyed.
It can only change form. The
human body, the human body runs
through the human body. If if
you were taking a road trip in
your car and you had 12 miles
till it was empty and you had
to go 200 miles, what do you
do? You fill your car up with
gas to be able to make the
trip, right? Exactly. Okay.
Well, if if we as human beings
are tired, then if I was tired,
all I would have to do is eat a
big meal and all my energy
should be back but we all know
that's not how it works. So,
it's only the human body that
is nourished by nutrients. The
other part, spirit,
consciousness, soul, must
recharge somewhere during
the day. It's the recharge of
both body and consciousness.
Or do you think it's emotion?
Like when you're happy, things
things tend to go quicker as
opposed to when you're you're
sad or depressed. Time seems to
go slower. So, so that part of
energy Well, I mean, Nikola
Tesla said that if you want to
understand the universe, think
about the universe because
that's what controls
everything. If you look at what
consciousness is, that's energy
frequency and vibration. Well,
guess what white noise is?
Energy, frequency, and
vibration and that is what has
allowed these voices to come
through. So, if you're talking
in terms of energy or energy
frequency, that's the building
blocks of probably the universe
of consciousness and
everything in between. So,
depending on what your reality
is of what what the world is
around you, the main building
block has to be consciousness
or energy, frequency, and
vibration. That's that's how we
communicate. That's how we can
communicate after the passing
of consciousness. That's not
there means that that energy
has to survive or there'd be no
way to get the answers we're
getting. Yeah, no, I I totally
agree and Todd is saying the
difference between spirit box
and static is not once there
have been some type of spirit
communication direct response
from you. I don't I I I'm so in
awe of you right now. Like like
those responses are just
amazing and and I'm glad you're
you're you're developing them.
Anything I can do to help man.
If you need something from
just let me know dude II love
you man. Um tell tell tell all
our viewers where where can we
find you? I know you got your
your podcast with uh with Ron
and Chris. Why why don't you
tell us about it? We have a
live podcast every Monday
night, 9 PM Eastern. Um 7 PM
Mountain, 6 PM Pacific Time
called Entity Voices
Paranormal Evidence. We will
show our own evidence, stuff
from Staticom. We will invite
paranormal investigators from
all over the country. Come and
get your evidence through the
clips. We break it down from
every aspect possible. Looking
at what worked, what didn't
work, what could be replicated.
Um what tools they were using,
what equipment they were using.
So, that's a great time every
week but we've got YouTube
under Entity Voices uh
paranormal investigations. We
got YouTube under Staticom. We
got YouTube under Staticom uh
shows the team, shows stuff on
Staticom uh and then we've got
Facebook, YouTube, Twitch,
Twitter. Um yeah. Just look up
entity voices or Staticom.
You'll you'll come across us.
That's awesome, man. I'm sure
if we just Google your name,
they'll all come up too, right?
A lot of them will, yeah. Alright
man. So, I I can't thank you
enough, Tony and I'm sorry AJ
couldn't be here. I know he had
a great time. Awesome is time
with you, man and I can't thank
you enough for for giving us
this opportunity. You bet. So,
pleasure to um yeah and uh you
know, um we're already friends
on Facebook, dude. So, um I I
appreciate everything and your
wife uh is saying uh great show
and guest. So, she's giving you
props, dude. You did a good
job. Definitely nice of you,
man. I I'm glad you're here and
I this has been uh one of our
greater shows and I can't thank
you enough Tony for for hanging
in there with me and um you
know, I uh I really hope I can
get to Arizona. I would love to
sit down with you and do a
session and and see what we
could get. So, yeah, we got a
bunch of we're going to be in.
If you ever do get out in
Arizona, especially in the next
couple of months, we're going to
be in the Globe Paracon um mid
April, we're going to be on uh
end of April and there will be
complete demonstrations um uh
presentations and everything in
between on this. So, so, yeah.
No, I I really appreciate you,
Tony and um you know, I I'll I'll
be honest. I was a little
skeptic to it but you know,
after the talking to you and
getting to see how how you your
work and your research, man, I
am I am so proud that you're
you're my friend, man and um
you know, I I'm really going to
push your stuff. So, um I'll I'll
try to make it down there. I'll
try to make it down to Arizona.
I'd love to meet you, man. Yeah
and like I said, you know,
Sheree and I do it on the West
Coast. Ryan and Lourdes um do
it on the East Coast um and
they probably even have more
events. Well, not probably.
They're not the only event. The
East Coast is much more
charged than than the West but
um if you ever get a chance and
see something called TDSI or
the digital seance initiative.
We do it on the West Coast.
Ron and Lourdes do it on the
East Coast. That's where people
come in. They watch, they
listen, they can ask their own
questions and it uh it's just
a little bit of a challenge. So,
if you see that, check it out.
Oh, I definitely will and Brian
says, thank you uh you know,
for coming on the Para Post
Network, Tony. He he
appreciates that. You bet,
Brian. Thank you. And um uh you
know, guys, I can't thank you
enough and uh thanks for tuning
in. Uh Tony, I'll put you
backstage. Uh it's up to you if
you want to stay or go. I I
just wanted to say a quick
thank you. Alright. I
appreciate it. Thank you,
Jonathan. Yeah, I'll put you
backstage here. Uh guys,
fabulous show. If you missed
it, catch the rewatch and uh
you know, I can't, I can't
thank Tony enough for for
everything. So, uh have a good
night guys and uh this was
talking with the source. Take
care. This is going to show.
It's not showing.
You know, the spirit's
messing with my computer.
Yeah.