1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,840 river 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:10,400 its 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:17,400 is 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,600 is 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,040 right 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:50,040 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 7 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:22,040 What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here from Talking with the Source. 8 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:30,040 I'm here with my host, Jonathan Keyworth of JK47 Paranormal Investigations. What is up my brother? 9 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,040 What's going on dude? Fabulous Sunday to you. 10 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:42,040 Yeah man, I tell you what, I'm so used to the Sunday right now relaxing that I almost said the wrong thing in the beginning. 11 00:01:42,040 --> 00:02:02,040 But real quick before we begin, we are live on Parapost Network. If you have a vodcast that you want to promote for free and get the exposure you deserve with a bunch of group of podcasts, head over to Parapost Network Central on Facebook. Here is the thing. 12 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Hell yeah. 13 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:48,040 So we are back and basically we are live on Parapost Network Central on Paralynx Plus. So we just want to say shout out to them. 14 00:02:48,040 --> 00:03:02,040 And if you guys weren't here for the last time that we had this skull experiment up, a little bit background of what you're about to see is some footage from the skull experiment that was from England. 15 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:08,040 That four mediums or I believe a certain amount of mediums got together for about a year or years. 16 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,040 I think it was four or five of them. 17 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:18,040 Yeah, four or five of them got together and they did this experiment where they channeled their spirit guides and they actually manifested in the room. 18 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:25,040 And you'll see evidence of it. It's absolutely amazing. It's one of the best experiments ever. 19 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:36,040 As well as seeing Marcello Bacci who used a shortwave radio to connect with spirit, the most clear communication known to man to this day. 20 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:47,040 You know what's cool dude? Real quick. I'm sorry to interrupt. You know what's cool is how their spirit guides became like this group. 21 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:59,040 And that's what Steve-O does. You know, he has a group of spirits and they I forgot the name that they called themselves. But that's what Steve-O does as well. 22 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Yeah. And basically like the evidence they were catching throughout this experiment over the years in the 90s has been absolutely crazy. 23 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:28,040 And not a lot of people have paid attention to it because it was so long ago. But you know what? We'll share some of it right now. This is going to be the part two of what we showed. 24 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:43,040 The tape and mirrors came from their spirit communicators. They were told to set up a video camera in the dark cellar. Aim it at a pair of mirrors so that it could only film its own viewfinder. 25 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:54,040 While it was recording, nothing unusual was seen. When the tape was played back, these remarkable pictures appeared. 26 00:04:54,040 --> 00:05:02,040 And the images on the video sometimes of what looked like a ton of light. 27 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,040 It's so crazy. 28 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:12,040 Other times spirit faces were coming towards us. 29 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,040 I should try that dude. 30 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:23,040 Sometimes what appeared to be a doorway moving. 31 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:31,040 And these images were created by video feedback occurring when a camera records its own output. 32 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:40,040 But scientists have ruled this out. Video feedback doesn't produce this kind of result. 33 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:50,040 As to what these extraordinary pictures represent, we can only guess since their meaning was never explained to the Skoll group. 34 00:05:50,040 --> 00:06:00,040 This video, also totally unexplained, appears to be a ghostly face with moving eyes. 35 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:08,040 Later, a few video experiments were attempted in full light. Again, nothing unusual was seen during the recording. 36 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:19,040 However, on playback, this unworldly figure appeared. 37 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,040 Do you think digital cameras can get that? 38 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,040 Or do you think that the FBI is able to? 39 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Well, that's the thing. 40 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,040 Not according to the investigator who monitored these experiments. 41 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:36,040 They were getting it from like regular, back in the 90s cameras. 42 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,040 So for them to get this type of evidence was pretty crazy. 43 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,040 Hey, what's up Nando? 44 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,040 What's up Nando? 45 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:50,040 This type of evidence was amazing to get in the 90s because they were doing it with film. 46 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:56,040 Well, that was their highest technology then. Was the 120mm camera. 47 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,040 Exactly. 48 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,040 Swiss lawyer and businessman Dr Hans Scher. 49 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:09,040 There's absolutely no possibility that this film could have been prepared before. 50 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:15,040 I created one of the video films which was in its original packaging, which I opened. 51 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:22,040 I took the film out, I signed the film and I put it personally in the video camera. 52 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:30,040 He inserted it into the camera. We never touched at any stage the camera or the film. 53 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:39,040 When we played the film, it showed at the beginning a number of bubbles of various colours. 54 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:58,040 There was one particular bubble in which the face of a person appeared. It was a man with spectacles. 55 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Dr Scher did not recognise this face. 56 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:10,040 The Skoll Group thought it might have belonged to someone who was trying to communicate with him from the afterlife. 57 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Are you sick of having issues with your webinars, wasting tons of time on publishing with attendees? 58 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,040 If so, you need StreamYard. 59 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:34,040 I have heard that the voice of a man with spectacles is one of the most disturbing and unnerving aspects of their being an afterlife. 60 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:47,040 Attempting to capture spirit voices via technical devices like radios and tape recorders has a long tradition that goes back to the last century. 61 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Today there are tens of thousands of people around the world who say they have captured the voices of the dead on simple tape recorders. 62 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:09,040 This is known as the electronic voice phenomena or EVP and was recently popularised in the Hollywood blockbuster White Noise. 63 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,040 I like that movie. 64 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Pen and bacon, baby. 65 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Despite the Hollywood treatment, EVP has been the focus of serious scientific investigation. 66 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:30,040 One of the leading researchers is Alexander McCray, an electronics engineer who has worked on communication systems for the Space Shuttle. 67 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,040 He has been investigating EVP for decades. 68 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:46,040 If somebody came up to me in the street and said there's nothing paranormal about EVP, I would say, well, I've done at least 20 years and hundreds of experiments and I know that it is a paranormal effect. 69 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Now, how many experiments have you done? 70 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:56,040 But skeptics insist that EVP is nothing more than the random pick-up of broadcast signals like radio and TV. 71 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:06,040 To test this theory, McCray tried to obtain EVP inside a laboratory that was fully shielded against radio and sound waves. 72 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,040 This meant it was impossible to pick up any stray broadcast signals. 73 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:18,040 So inside the laboratory you couldn't pick up anything, but yet the device still produced voices. 74 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Although this audio sample is hard to understand, the very fact it was recorded defies all known laws of science. 75 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:41,040 One experimenter of EVP is Vicki Talbot, who lost her son, Brayden, in a boating accident in 2001. 76 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Okay, I'm coming down into Wildcat Cove right now, which is the cove that my son departed from and did not return. 77 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Ever since then, she says she can record and recognize his voice using this digital recorder. 78 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,040 Well, that's Brayden. 79 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:13,040 What has really convinced me is the way he speaks, the stress, the intonation. 80 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Sometimes he sounds exactly as he did in life. 81 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:27,040 He will use certain phrases that we used to use. 82 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:34,040 He will say certain things that will identify himself as the person that he was in life. 83 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,040 I am convinced personally that I am communicating with my son. 84 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:54,040 Like visitors to Skoll and to Batchelor, EVP practitioners find comfort in the belief that they can still communicate with their son. 85 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,040 So just to let you guys know that that's what I do. 86 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,040 Like if you guys want a reading, I can do that. 87 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,040 I've done it for many people like Susan. 88 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:12,040 And, you know, I don't wish to keep doing it for you as much as I want to. 89 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:18,040 But I want you guys to realize that this power, this connection is within you. 90 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,040 You just have to believe in yourself. 91 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:29,040 You just have to believe in your heart and mind when you're doing these sessions to bring spirit to you. 92 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,040 And it's just amazing. 93 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,040 It truly is. 94 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,040 And everybody can do this. 95 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,040 And I don't think people really realize that. 96 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Yeah, yeah, no, it's all in you. 97 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,040 You got to believe in yourself in your heart and mind. 98 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,040 Once those are aligned, you're going to get the crazy responses. 99 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,040 Loved ones. 100 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,040 But even this conviction can't make up for the unbearable burden of losing a child. 101 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,040 These just make me want to cry. 102 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,040 Just looking at him. 103 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,040 You know, this never be this age again. 104 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,040 Or do that again. 105 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:15,040 What matters is the love that you have for your family. 106 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,040 That's what really matters. 107 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,040 And not to screw it up. 108 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,040 And to remember they could be gone in a flash. 109 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:36,040 You know, these other people, I feel so sorry for them because they have no way of communicating with those that they have lost. 110 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,040 And they go around thinking, if only, if only, if only. 111 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Yeah, if only. 112 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:46,040 I don't have to think that. 113 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,040 Nobody does. 114 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,040 That's a good thing. 115 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,040 And see, technology is so advanced now. 116 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Although EDP provides some comfort to the bereaved, practitioners say that the voices are often unclear. 117 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,040 Always one way and frustratingly short. 118 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,040 The ancient Egyptians understood that they could use sound to reduce their weight. 119 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,040 They should pay us. 120 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:21,040 But see, you see how they just said, how science has said, you know, it's always short and they're very unclear and all this type of stuff. 121 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:27,040 That's not true because there's very clear EVPs out there that are very advanced. 122 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,040 As technology advances, it's very difficult to understand. 123 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:36,040 As technology advances, it's getting clearer and clearer. 124 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,040 You know, with the D noise and stuff. 125 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,040 Yeah. 126 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Well, people are using the Panasonic VR 60 in this film, and that's a very controversial recorder because even though it picks up easier EVPs because of something that's broken inside of it, it also produces terrible sounding EVPs. 127 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,040 So sometimes very good ones, but most of the time not very clear ones. 128 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:08,040 So that's why they're going off of that, which I don't feel is a smart thing because this is an older video. 129 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,040 They're doing that. 130 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,040 But nowadays, you know, there's we're getting clearer and clearer EVPs. 131 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,040 And how do you explain that with science? 132 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:21,040 You know, so, so I, if anybody out there has a DR 60 with some EVPs, send them to me. 133 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,040 I want to put them through the technology that we have now. 134 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:31,040 I would love this problem that the technology of the piano Panasonic VR 60, you can't hook it up to a computer. 135 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:43,040 So you'd have to you'd have to rerecord it onto a computer and then send it, which makes it even more harder to to pick out the noise, like pick out the sentences and type of stuff. 136 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,040 So that's the hardest part about that technology. 137 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,040 Well, I'd love to see the comparison. 138 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Yeah. 139 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:57,040 You know what I mean? 140 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:12,040 One way that we also communicated with Spirit, and which was a very effective way, was by use of an ordinary, very cheap tape recorder whose amplifiers were used by the Spirit team. 141 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,040 We inspected this machine and found it was completely normal. 142 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Earlier, its built in microphone had been removed to eliminate the possibility of recording anything. 143 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:31,040 When the machine, which contained a blank cassette, was activated, witnesses were astonished when they heard this voice asking them a question. 144 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Oh, it's Perenac corporate. 145 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:43,040 Yes. 146 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:51,040 The microphone. 147 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,040 No, that's the thing. 148 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,040 The question is, is that that was recorded and then played back for everyone. 149 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:13,040 So the question is that Spirit, they're not using a microphone, they're using energy and some frequency to change and manipulate these things for us to understand them, which I find absolutely amazing because that was so clear. 150 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,040 Yeah, that was real clear with no microphone. 151 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:22,040 With a cheap digital recorder. 152 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,040 No, that was with cassette. 153 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:30,040 They just said it was a cassette recorder, cassette recorder, whatever, same thing. 154 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,040 These are improving their experiments. 155 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:41,040 For example, they told Professor Ellison, one of the SPR scientists, how to build a device for boosting communications via the tape recorder. 156 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Yeah, that's correct Chris. 157 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:55,040 But this information arrived in a very strange way. 158 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:02,040 These images appeared after an unexposed film locked in the security box was later processed by the scientists. 159 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,040 The scientists speculated about who was providing this technical information. 160 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:28,040 But then initials at the end of the film seem to have solved this mystery. I wrote to the Edison Memorial people in America, and they sent me a copy of one of his letters, which contained his initials, which look almost identical to the signature on this film. 161 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:37,040 This matching set of initials convinced the researchers it was Thomas Edison providing this information. 162 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Now, Edison was right before he died, was making a, he was in a race with Nikola Tesla and other inventors to make a ghost phone. 163 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:56,040 So it's amazing that he might have came back to tell them to use Germanium and to use this device that he created. 164 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:00,040 I have some, dude. I know, I know. 165 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,040 I use it with all my sessions. I bought it online. 166 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:13,040 It's element 32, geranium. That's what they built this out of. That's, that's awesome. 167 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:21,040 He also had an enormous interest in the possibility of an afterlife. 168 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:31,040 His intention to build a machine that could communicate with the dead made headlines around the world, but he died before being able to build it. 169 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:40,040 Is it possible that through the Skoll Group, he finally achieved the same? 170 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:52,040 What if that's what it is? Right? Right? 171 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:58,040 What if I told you that you can use good old, what if I told you, right? 172 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:08,040 For example, you can create a professional opener just like this. 173 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:17,040 Spirit voices speaking through the mediums, spirit communication written on sealed film in locked boxes, all these incredible phenomena. 174 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,040 But could the scientists have been tricked? 175 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:26,040 Skeptics are often unaware of the amount of experience and the amount of knowledge that goes into investigations of this kind. 176 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Between the three investigators, you could say we've had 50 years and more. We know all the tricks. 177 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:43,040 I don't see how it could be faked. It's impossible. 178 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:48,040 Nevertheless, was it possible for the Skoll Group to have perpetrated a mass of hopes? 179 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:54,040 These things are so extraordinary that when one tells them to people who've not had the experiences themselves, they think it must be trickery. 180 00:20:54,040 --> 00:21:00,040 And the challenge then always is, OK, you duplicate it. 181 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,040 But so far, no one has been able to do this. 182 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:14,040 Nevertheless, critics still claim that the events at Skoll were produced by the kinds of conjuring tricks used by stage magicians and entertainers. 183 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,040 You found them in this manner like this. 184 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,040 Because professional magicians learn all the skills of illusion and misdirection. 185 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:27,040 I'm not going to show you how it's done, because if I showed you how it was done, you'd tell anybody else. 186 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,040 They are also well qualified to detect this type of fraud. 187 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:39,040 With that in mind, James Webster was invited to scrutinise a number of Skoll sessions. 188 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Webster is a member of the Magic Circle in Britain and has been a professional magician for over 40 years. 189 00:21:46,040 --> 00:22:00,040 Well, I had an opportunity to view the cellar. I could see no magic props or anything which made me feel inclined, think there was any hoaxing or trickery. 190 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,040 But could he replicate the events at Skoll? 191 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,040 I could not do it myself as a professional magician. 192 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:16,040 I don't believe in any magician that I knew could do even the lighting, let alone the other phenomena that I witnessed. 193 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,040 Anyone who... 194 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,040 I'm going to point it while I do a session. 195 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:48,040 I'm not going to do this here for nothing. They could be earning a million dollars out there on the stage. 196 00:22:48,040 --> 00:23:02,040 In 1999, after an exhaustive two-year investigation, the investigators published their conclusions in the SPR's official proceedings. 197 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:09,040 They were looking for evidence of a hoax. They sifted evidence for signs of fakery. But did they find it? 198 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:21,040 If you take all the phenomena within the whole of the Skoll experiment over two years while we were there, I would say that the possibility of fraud and faking was nil. 199 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:28,040 Although the Skoll reporting from its theoretical discussions about how individual phenomena might have been faked, 200 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:37,040 the chief investigators concluded that events at Skoll cannot be explained either by known scientific laws or by trickery. 201 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:46,040 But psychology professor Chris French, the co-editor of Skeptic magazine, remains unconvinced. 202 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:52,040 There's lots of claimed evidence for life after death coming from lots of different sources. 203 00:23:52,040 --> 00:24:01,040 The debate should be about the quality of the evidence. At the moment, on the basis of the available evidence, I'm not at all convinced that there is such a thing as life after death. 204 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:12,040 I think the skeptics regard the possibility of the survival of human consciousness as inherently so impossible that anyone must be rather crazy to believe it. 205 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:23,040 But when you look at the evidence, you have to ask yourself whether you'd be even more crazy not to believe it or to find some alternative explanation which makes any sort of sense. And I haven't found one. 206 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Dr. Solomon. 207 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:43,040 When we die, we go into another world, a lot of world, 3665 world. Because I read it in the Bible. 208 00:24:43,040 --> 00:25:04,040 News of the amazing events at Skoll spread around the world. In 1997, they were invited to her sessions in four European countries and the United States. 209 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Some of the most successful sessions occurred in the Los Angeles home of Brian Hirst. 210 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:19,040 We wanted to see whether it could also take place so many thousands of miles away from Skoll here in Southern California. 211 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:31,040 Hirst's converted garage was the venue for eight sessions, as many as 30 people attended each one. 212 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,040 Before each session, investigators carefully inspected the room. 213 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:43,040 Many people went in at different times before the sessions and there was no paraphernalia. There was nothing hidden there at all. 214 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:51,040 Despite being interviewed a decade after the Skoll experiment, these witnesses are still profoundly moved by what they saw. 215 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:58,040 There was so much phenomena going on. It was really overwhelming. 216 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:12,040 As with most sessions, visitors began by sitting quietly in total darkness. Then they started hearing the voices of the spirit team speaking through the mediums. 217 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Then the darkened room burst into life. 218 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:32,040 And then it would go up to the rafters of the garage and come down and thunk hard like a big rock hitting the table and then disappear. 219 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040 As well as these amazing balls of light, furniture in the room began to move. 220 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:42,040 We had a table in the center of the room that had crystals on it. It's moving. The table is indeed levitating. 221 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:53,040 The table levitated, was turned on its side and began to spin very rapidly. The crystals never fell off. 222 00:26:53,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Even if they had crystals on the table, it would have been impossible to have turned the table sideways and rotated it with the speed at which it rotated. 223 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:08,040 And we could see this because there were luminescent strips on the table. 224 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,040 And it began to spin around actually so rapidly it almost looked like a pinwheel. 225 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,040 Wow. Can you imagine seeing that? 226 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:24,040 I would be so excited, dude. 227 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Someone for Charlie. 228 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:35,040 Dad? Hi, Dad. 229 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:43,040 I really do feel that my dad came and he was the one who put his hands on my shoulders. 230 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:54,040 The way we were situated in the room, my chair was right up against a wall and there was no way another person could be behind me. 231 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:59,040 Did you see it? It gave the punch symbol. 232 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,040 You're not ready for it. 233 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,040 Oh, you looked. You're going to get punched by spirits. 234 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,040 Then another hand appeared in front of them. But who did it belong to? 235 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:19,040 There was a particular communicator called Reg Lawrence, who was an engineer in his lifetime and who became very expert at producing voices from midair. 236 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,040 Hello, Reg. Hello, Brian. Very nice of you to have us here. 237 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:36,040 He just touched my hand. Oh, yes. Oh, he's stroking it. It's slightly cold, but it's flesh. He's shaking my hand. Oh my God. 238 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,040 You've made my ear. 239 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,040 You've made mine. 240 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:53,040 As usual, Lawrence did not communicate through the mediums. Instead, the group could hear his voice projected from different parts of the room. 241 00:28:53,040 --> 00:29:06,040 Some of the voices were moving around the room, even high up in the rafter area that somebody would have had to climb up on a ladder to get up there. And there's no way that that was happening. 242 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:11,040 The spirit team also came to be regarded as healers by the participants. 243 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:18,040 What's going on inside you that light in my chest right now? Right there on my heart. I have a little bit of a heart problem. 244 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:34,040 I was diagnosed with cancer and a very fast moving dangerous cancer. I sat with school and probably two to three weeks later I had biopsies again, and they came back completely negative. 245 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:41,040 Attending the LA session says the experience changed their lives forever. 246 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040 You're right. 247 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:50,040 We've asked so many times, dude. We've asked that question like eight times and it's always come back the same. 248 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,040 Yeah. 249 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040 When you walk out of that room. 250 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,040 You definitely feel like you've been exposed to something very extraordinary. 251 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,040 We actually saw the spirits. 252 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,040 And that's got to be positive evidence for survival. 253 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,040 We do live on after death. 254 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,040 They certainly proved that to us that night. 255 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040 Being survived in Auschwitz. 256 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:27,040 And also my parents were killed in Auschwitz, including my 11 year old brother was killed on arrival with my parents. 257 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:47,040 And I just cannot accept that that should be the end of them. 258 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:59,040 Previously, we have shown how experiments at school and with battery provide powerful evidence for life after death. 259 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:08,040 But some researchers think there may be another possible explanation. 260 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:20,040 Some of the remarkable events shown in this film be the result of human paranormal abilities like psychokinesis, the claimed ability of the mind to directly affect matter. 261 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,040 There's an enormous amount of evidence for the existence of psychokinesis in the laboratory. 262 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:33,040 We're talking mainly about the evidence of human consciousness on random number generators and very small events that can be totally controlled. 263 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040 There is clear evidence that people can affect. 264 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,040 One of the most famous practitioners of psychokinesis or PK. 265 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:45,040 Yeah, that was done on a 35 millimeter film that they locked in the box and they developed. 266 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:55,040 Colaghan was able to demonstrate her abilities under strictly controlled conditions in front of a team of scientists. 267 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:02,040 Researchers who investigated her were convinced she was able to do this solely by the power of her mind. 268 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:11,040 So could the school group and their visitors unwittingly have created some or all of the phenomena using mind over matter as an explanation? 269 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:17,040 Although it's not more than just simply a label to it, this is psychokinesis in physical mediumship, 270 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:26,040 whether it is a spirit working through someone, a spirit acting directly on an object or the medium's mind causing the things to move. 271 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,040 Say there were real mind over matter effects going on as opposed to country tricks. 272 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:38,040 Then how do we know they were coming from the minds of the disembodied people rather than from the minds of the mediums who were sitting in the room? 273 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,040 There is no definitive answer to this question. 274 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:53,040 But the theory that these phenomena were due solely to psychokinesis from the living seems improbable since PK produced in laboratories tends to be weak. 275 00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:06,040 Therefore, mind over matter from the living is unlikely to explain the huge range of phenomena featured in this film. 276 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,040 Emily, when did you live on the earth? 277 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,040 A long time ago now. 278 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,040 19th century? 279 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Yes. 280 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:22,040 We simply have a number of clues of information which was extremely unlikely to have derived from the subconscious mind or the conscious mind of the medium. 281 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:30,040 And the more impressive those are, the less likely it is that you can say that this is an aspect of mediumship. 282 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,040 And the more likely it is, it's an aspect of discarnate communication. 283 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:48,040 Previously, we traveled with the Skoll Group to Italy where they first met with Marcello Bacci. 284 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,040 They say they were able to talk to the spirit via his radio. 285 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,040 Come on, who's this? Come on on here. 286 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,040 What is the answer to this question from the Times Street? 287 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,040 Times Street? 288 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,040 Times Street? 289 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,040 Times Street? 290 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:09,040 But when the Skoll Group visited Bacci in a later session, he was having problems. 291 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:18,040 For months, hundreds of people who came from around the world in the hope of hearing their dead loved ones were bitterly disappointed. 292 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,040 All they heard was static. 293 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,040 Bacci was depressed. 294 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,040 He feared he had lost his unique talent. 295 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,040 Dude, and that depression is what lowered his frequency, dude. 296 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:43,040 I don't think he, I think once that happened, he was so embarrassed that that opened up a whole nother door and it just just lowered his frequency. 297 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,040 You know what I mean? He just did it because that's happened to me a number of times when I've gone live. 298 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,040 Like I've had shitty friggin sessions, man. 299 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,040 And it was because something happened that that triggered something and it brought that energy down. 300 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,040 Yeah, it blocks your connection. 301 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,040 Yeah. 302 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,040 Dark cameras rolled in an interview with Bacci. 303 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,040 The radio, which had been silent for so long, burst into life. 304 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,040 Shut up! 305 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040 What the hell are you doing? 306 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,040 Shut up! 307 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,040 Bacci, now you're going to be in jail. 308 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,040 I told you, I'm not going to be silent. 309 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:35,040 And they're speaking in Italian, this native language. 310 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:40,040 Yeah. 311 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040 Grazie, Gregorio. 312 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:47,040 Bacci's drought was over. 313 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,040 When the radio voice stopped, there was celebration. 314 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,040 Mamma mia! 315 00:35:54,040 --> 00:36:01,040 Bacci felt he'd regained his ability to communicate with the spirits. 316 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,040 But then joy turned to disappointment as he thought he had failed to record the voice. 317 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,040 Madonna, non รจ partito. 318 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,040 No. 319 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,040 No, era partito, lo spento io. 320 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040 It doesn't matter. 321 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040 Yeah, but I tell you what, watch. 322 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,040 No, no, no, no. 323 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:34,040 Once the recording was transcribed, Bacci told us the voice belonged to a spirit called Gregorio, 324 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,040 a Catholic friar who had died many years ago. 325 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:44,040 Later, independent researcher Dr. Torriello read the last part of this ghostly message. 326 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,040 Man, he passed his time just deceiving himself. 327 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,040 Okay. 328 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:58,040 But when all of you, you will be here where we are, okay, then you will find answer to all your questions. 329 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:06,040 I'm sorry, I cannot say more. 330 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,040 Recordings just got better. 331 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,040 Hey, it's Dana from StreamYard. 332 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,040 I'm so excited to announce that local recordings are now available. 333 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:25,040 We do look down on our friends and loved ones after we die until such time as we move on to some other dimension. 334 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:41,040 I think you can take what you like, really. 335 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,040 Despite the evidence from Skoll and Bacci, 336 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:55,040 most scientists still refuse to even consider the possibility that consciousness might survive death. 337 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:02,040 Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, the internationally renowned biologist and Skoll investigator, offers an explanation. 338 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,040 There's a dominant materialism in science that grew up in the 19th century. 339 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,040 It's become part of the culture of science, but it's really a dominant... 340 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,040 Spirit communicates in the language that we understand. 341 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,040 What this means is that scientists have become completely focused. 342 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,040 Yeah, to answer your question, I believe that it doesn't matter where we are in the world. 343 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:30,040 I believe that spirit can understand us and they will speak in the language that we need to hear them and that we understand. 344 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:37,040 You got to realize, Chris, is that the words we speak is all manmade. 345 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,040 It's all made in this physical realm. 346 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,040 That's how spirits are able to know the different communications, 347 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:51,040 because they're able to tap into your energy and your physical being to make you understand what they're saying. 348 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,040 So, you know, if say some guy in China wanted to talk to my brother, 349 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:04,040 my brother would speak Chinese to him because it's that connection between spirit and mind. 350 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,040 On the things they can both measure and replicate in labs. 351 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:14,040 Within science, based on a materialist point of view, the mind is the brain. 352 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,040 So anything that suggests the mind might be more than the brain goes against the theory. 353 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,040 Whatever you understand, whatever the physical being asking the question... 354 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:29,040 Another prominent scientist not convinced that consciousness is solely the result of brain activity is Dr. Charles Tart. 355 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,040 That's just a small part of the spectrum. 356 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,040 Dr. Tart is Emeritus Professor of Psychology at the University of California 357 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,040 and a leading researcher into the evidence for life after death. 358 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:47,040 The idea that survival of bodily death is impossible, that we're nothing but our brains and bodies, 359 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:54,040 is really a function of an outmoded view in science, a Newtonian worldview. 360 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,040 Now, the Newtonian worldview works very well for everyday events. 361 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,040 But one of the most interesting things about modern science, 362 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,040 especially when you look at stuff like quantum theory, 363 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,040 is that the world is far more mysterious than we think. 364 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,040 We now have experimental evidence of what Einstein called spooky action at a distance. 365 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,040 That we can instantaneously affect something in a distant part of the universe. 366 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,040 That's really wild. 367 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,040 If consciousness has any of the qualities of this quantum level of existence, 368 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,040 then phenomena like survival of bodily death are probably not so mysterious after all. 369 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,040 But could quantum theory explain one of the most shocking experiments conducted at school? 370 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,040 This particular experiment was perhaps the most important experiment of the whole series. 371 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:13,040 Previously, we showed how visitors reported seeing these balls of light appear before them. 372 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,040 It's like fireworks! 373 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:19,040 On this occasion, one of them flew inside a large quartz crystal. 374 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:28,040 The crystal then levitated, you could see it glowing, and then descended into a pyrex bowl. 375 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,040 Then Arthur Ellison was invited to pick it up. 376 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,040 He picked it up and satisfied himself that it was there and it was glowing, and he put it down again. 377 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,040 He was asked right away to pick it up again. 378 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,040 He tried to, and his fingers closed right over it. 379 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,040 It dematerialized. 380 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,040 There's nothing there, it looks so silly, but there's nothing there. 381 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,040 Then he was asked to pick it up again and it rematerialized in his hand. 382 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,040 Oh, I can feel the crystal right there. 383 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,040 This dumbfounded him. 384 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,040 This is what finally convinced him that this was real because it couldn't have been faked in any way. 385 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:11,040 And he had his head right over the top of the bowl in order to ensure that no hand or no instrument could interfere with it. 386 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,040 Of course, we were totally amazed by this. 387 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,040 Things do not materialize and dematerialize. 388 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,040 This is against all the laws of nature. 389 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040 We are trained scientists, of course. 390 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,040 We know how the world behaves, and it doesn't behave like that. 391 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,040 What do you really think when we're experiencing that? 392 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,040 It's absolutely amazing. 393 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,040 Miracle, yes. 394 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,040 But what does this remarkable demonstration tell us about what might happen after death? 395 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:44,040 The spirit team told us that the experiment with the crystal in the bowl gave a good example of what happened when we die. 396 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:51,040 In that the essence of the crystal remained even when the physical part of the crystal had been removed. 397 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:57,040 Our bodies represent the physical part, but the essence of ourselves remains the same. 398 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:04,040 This, if you like, can be termed the soul. 399 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,040 I believe in the possibility of life after death. 400 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,040 What do I think would happen after? 401 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,040 I don't know. 402 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,040 I just don't know, do you? 403 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:38,040 Well, I don't particularly want to have anything other than pure death, and I would rather not believe in survival. 404 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:44,040 But I find it impossible to be intellectually honest and not believe in survival. 405 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:53,040 Tragically, during the production of this film, Montague Keane died. 406 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,040 These are those rhombohedron crystals in your pineal gland. 407 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:06,040 When those crystals become electrically activated, all of a sudden they start calling energy back to them, and they begin to build their own electromagnetic. 408 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,040 Damn commercials. 409 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:14,040 But this gave us the opportunity of testing whether or not he actually got his wish for oblivion. 410 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,040 This came in the form of Alison Dubois. 411 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:25,040 Dubois has become one of the most famous mediums in the world after her abilities were dramatized in the hit TV show Medium. 412 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,040 When things come through that strong, you can't give up. 413 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:36,040 We visited the University of Arizona where scientists were testing the abilities of America's top mediums. 414 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,040 Here we challenged Alison Dubois to contact the spirit of Montague Keane. 415 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,040 Thank you, Pam. 416 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:53,040 She was able to conduct her mediumship in full light in front of the camera with two researchers seated behind asking questions. 417 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,040 Do you have any idea what this person is? 418 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,040 Dubois wasn't given any information about Keane. 419 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,040 The only thing she was told was the first name of Keane's widow, Veronica. 420 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,040 The fact that he gets to still be here around the people he loved is huge to him. 421 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:15,040 Although many of Dubois' statements were vague, some were astonishingly accurate. 422 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:23,040 He went down at a podium or no. 423 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:30,040 He's showing a man falling at the podium like and falls and he goes down at the podium. 424 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,040 Okay. 425 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,040 This is important. 426 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,040 It's like an assembly. 427 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:42,040 On the night of his death, Keane was taking part in a debate at the Royal Society of Arts in London. 428 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:48,040 While defending his position, his voice faltered mid-sentence and he died. 429 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,040 I mean, you're saying I'm just going to be here. 430 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,040 Take a rest. 431 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,040 That's crazy. 432 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,040 No, I don't even know what it means. 433 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,040 I mean, he's making me feel like either he had a heart attack or his breath was taken from him. 434 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,040 But he's showing him knees buckling and going down. 435 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,040 Is there a doctor in the house? 436 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,040 People jumping up, like everybody rising. 437 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,040 He goes down and they go up. 438 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,040 Right. 439 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:27,040 Also, there would have been like a banner announcement or a banner hanging of what this conference was or whatever it was. 440 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:33,040 He's kind of laughing and he's like, way to go out, way to leave this world right there and then. 441 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:40,040 Dubois stated that Keane is now as interested in communicating with the living as he once was in talking to the dead. 442 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:49,040 To try and understand better, like to understand the other side, what you guys are seeing that's right and what's not right. 443 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,040 To try to talk to him, dude. 444 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,040 Yeah. 445 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,040 I do believe in an afterlife. 446 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,040 I'm not sure what that life will look like if we just go back into the source. 447 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:11,040 But I just kind of live my life like we'll see when we get there. 448 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,040 Chris agrees. 449 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:23,040 Although some researchers continue to question whether the experiments featured in this film represent convincing evidence for an afterlife. 450 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,040 For the leading investigators and participants, there is little doubt it does. 451 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,040 We actually saw the sermons. 452 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,040 Get in the fucking room. 453 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,040 Right or left? 454 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,040 Right or left? 455 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,040 Right. 456 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,040 We simply believe that we've gone back to what we've been doing. 457 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,040 Emily, when did you live on the earth? 458 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,040 Oh, a long time ago now. 459 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,040 19th century? 460 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,040 Yes. 461 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:58,040 I think we were pushing the barriers further than ever been pushed before. 462 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,040 And I think we just got to the stage where at that time we couldn't go any further. 463 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:14,040 In 1998, after five years and 500 sessions, the Skoll experiment finally came to an end. 464 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,040 The Skoll experiment may be over. 465 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:29,040 But today in Italy, grieving parents continue to report hearing the voices of their dead children on Bacchi's radio. 466 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:38,040 And Vicky Talbot says she continues to receive the voice of her deceased son, Brayden, via EVP. 467 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:45,040 But the debate about the authenticity and significance of this evidence continues to rage. 468 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,040 Now according to science, when you physically die and when your brain stops functioning, that is it. 469 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,040 That is the end. 470 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,040 The experiences that I've had have convinced me that it is very difficult to explain. 471 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,040 Yeah, it's essentially a portal. 472 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,040 It's a big frequency and energy. 473 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,040 You're not going to win everybody. 474 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,040 I mean, you're not going to be able to ever have everybody believe that there's another side. 475 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040 That's just not going to happen. 476 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:16,040 The hope and significance of those experiments will literally be to make people think, to stop and think, 477 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:22,040 to look at their own lives, to look at where they're going, perhaps to be better people. 478 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:35,040 That was amazing, dude. 479 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,040 That was so amazing, dude. 480 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,040 I'm glad we got a chance to finish that. 481 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,040 Exactly. 482 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,040 And what it brings up is a lot of questions and a lot of answers. 483 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:52,040 Like, you know, there's you figure all these mediums got together and they were able to get Spirit to do such amazing things. 484 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,040 And they allowed them to record it, which I thought was absolutely amazing. 485 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:04,040 And then getting scientists involved and having scientists, you know, show the evidence and show that, you know, 486 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:10,040 they didn't mess with it at all. It's just crazy. 487 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,040 Yes, we true. 488 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:19,040 Yeah, I've run into a few. They called me things. 489 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,040 Totally true. Totally true. 490 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,040 He got called a name in his graveyard. 491 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,040 Yeah, I got called an ass crack. So I totally get it. 492 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:37,040 But if you want to check out that that full documentary again, just type in the skull experiment. 493 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,040 It's called the afterlife investigations. 494 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:47,040 You'll be able to check it out with more cello Bocci, who does a lot of work for cello Bocci recently passed away. 495 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,040 But his family is still doing his work till this day in Italy. 496 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,040 And it's absolutely amazing. His work and his documentary. 497 00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:00,040 So check it out on YouTube. But thank you guys for watching it with us. 498 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,040 But do you have anything else you want to say, man? 499 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,040 No, I'm just I'm real excited. 500 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:13,040 Spirit guided me today to find the old sheriff of the cold case I'm working on. 501 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:22,040 So I'm going to be reaching out to him to see if any of this makes sense or if he has any questions that I should ask that kind of prove his 502 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:30,040 because his skepticism, because I find that people aren't on the initial conversation. 503 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,040 They're not accepting of it, like just like in the school experiment. 504 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:43,040 So if he had questions, if I could get the answer to prove that that would help them out, you know, it's all about helping out spirit. 505 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:51,040 And that's that's what I'm going to do. So yeah, well. 506 00:51:51,040 --> 00:52:00,040 Yeah, I would love to AJ and me to create an experiment like this, you know, that would be cool if he's in Connecticut and I'm here and we can do this. 507 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,040 That would be cool, man. Yeah, no, definitely. 508 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:08,040 That would be absolutely something awesome to do for sure. 509 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,040 I mean, we're hopefully working towards it. 510 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:20,040 I mean, what we're doing now and how we can teach people to, you know, get their connection down and to use these, you know, spirit devices is something that is very big to us. 511 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:28,040 So who knows? Maybe it'll expand and maybe spirit will do something amazing along those lines, just like they did for Skull experiment. 512 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,040 Dude, I want to get one of those old cameras. 513 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:36,040 I have to try that out to see if anything would show up, like just do it live, like hold the camera. 514 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:44,040 People see me unwrapping the tape, put it in there and they can see me putting it on the thing and hit and record. 515 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,040 That'd be crazy, dude. I'd love to see if I get anything. 516 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,040 Yeah, it was absolutely amazing to see that. 517 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,040 I mean, if spirits are portals, I mean, they definitely caught something, you know? 518 00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:04,040 Yeah. So. But. Anyway, so thank you guys for watching. 519 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,040 My name's AJ Capasso of Talking with the Source. 520 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,040 I'm with Jonathan Keyworth of JK 47 Paranormal Investigations. 521 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,040 Real quick, shout out your podcast. 522 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:23,040 Oh, yeah. So Tuesdays at 12 p.m. Mountain Time, so 2 p.m. Eastern. 523 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:29,040 I do targeting with the JK 47 and I work on cold cases live. 524 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:34,040 So I do live sessions and then I'll review it and I'll put the clips in. 525 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:43,040 If you guys go to my YouTube or my Facebook page, even my tick tock, you can you can see what we've been working on. 526 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:48,040 So this next session will be session five for the Jameson family. 527 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:54,040 They're a family that went missing in 2009 and they were found their bones. 528 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,040 And what was left over was found four years later by some hunters. 529 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,040 So check it out, guys. It's fun. Awesome. 530 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:09,040 Well, an awesome check out our new true crime progress on Facebook. 531 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,040 It is airing tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. 532 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,040 Messenger, leave a comment of the cold case you want. 533 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,040 Yeah, contact J.K. and he'll definitely help you out. 534 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,040 So but thank you guys so much for watching. 535 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,040 It's been another episode of Talking with the Source till next time. 536 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:51,040 Thank you so much. Love and light, guys. Love and light.