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AJA Capasso here, host of Talking With The Source.
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What's up, brother? How are you?
Good, good, man. Good, you know?
Watching one cloud over my house right now rain as the rest of the sky blue is the story of my life.
It's like winning the poo, dude.
But yeah, but you're following me, I swear. It's hilarious.
It just happened outside and I was just laughing at myself.
Oh, there's Des. Hi, Des.
Hey, Des. How are you?
It was your birthday yesterday.
Happy birthday, Des. Happy birthday.
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So check it out. But right now we have an amazing guest. We have a guest that we've had before.
He's an amazing guy. He is one of the smartest people that I've ever talked to about tech.
And I'm super happy to have him on to talk about paranormal equipment, man.
And his name is Andy Guy. He's from Skyer Tech. Hold on one sec. Let me bring him on. Hey, Andy, how are you?
Hi, guys. Yeah, yeah, fantastic. Thanks. Good to see you again.
There we go. Oh, he did it to me.
There I see. No one wants to see your mug. I know.
But anyway, how you been, though, Andy? Good? Yeah, very, very busy.
We're doing lots of lots of things this year and working out what we're doing next year.
So, yeah, it's been pretty full on trying to do the equipment stuff and spend enough time actually investigating and trying to fit some sort of reviewing in there at the same time.
Yeah, at the same time as being at home. I know that feeling. Yes, I understand. I totally can imagine.
It must take up a ton of the time that you have. So it's amazing that you could find the time to do all of it, to be honest.
Yeah, well, I've got a good group of people who I investigate with and review with.
And we try and try and share the load a little bit.
And I've got a very supportive partner who is very involved in helping making equipment now as well. So it's a team effort.
That is great. That is so any cool places that that you went recently.
My favorite recently was a couple of months ago. And I'm going to get in twice in December is the haunted antiques paranormal research center.
Have you potentially had that at all? It sounds familiar.
I think I may have seen it on a clip or something through my Facebook. But if you want to describe it more, that'd be great, man.
Yeah, it's a location where Neil Packer set it up.
And it's kind of like a collection of haunted objects that he's tried to kind of theme into what sorts of objects they are. And the best thing about it is that there's nothing off limits there.
OK, there's about five things, but you can pick up these things.
You can pick up and wear these World War Two helmets and put on outfits and carry dolls around and actually really kind of interact with the objects and experiment with them.
And the interactions we had there were unbelievable.
I've never known such a night where you.
It's always good when you see you don't even get to do the intro, like saying who you are and why you're there.
It just goes straight into things happening and just slowly throughout the night. You don't get a chance to stop.
No one wants a tea break. You just go the entire time.
That is awesome. That is awesome. What kind of experiments did you guys run there?
So, well, the favorite experiment we did there was the one called the Singapore Experiment, where you try and pick specific audio to playback,
which is related to people there or events or periods it was built.
But the problem is with the Haunted Antiques Research Center, where it's full of so many different things,
it's hard to work out what to actually do, how to focus on it and what to actually pick out.
But we were lucky. There was one room which was a war themed room where they had swords from several hundred years ago
and different bits from the war and loads and loads of stuff, which I'm amazed that they let go.
So just wander around holding swords in the dark.
But when we were sitting there, we were advised to try playing some German music.
So I was playing some German military marches.
And as we were sitting on this table, just kind of talking about the marches, talking about the environment, et cetera,
started hearing this tapping on this case behind us.
So I got up and checked to find out what it might have been and couldn't see anything that was causing it.
But inside this case was this German military helmet they found on the beach in Normandy.
Wow.
And as soon as we sat down, someone walked right up behind them and there were just constant things going beep
and odd little noises around us just until we stopped playing that music and then it quietened down again.
It was like an instant trigger.
Isn't it wild how certain things like that can bring out the energy in the environment,
whether it be the stone tape theory that's causing it or whatever it may be.
I mean, it's just absolutely amazing that these entities or energies are reacting to the energy of this music
and to the vibration and frequency of whatever is going on in the room at that time.
I find that so awesome that you guys are basically getting so much of your disorientation.
You know what I mean?
It's like, yeah, it was hard to have this data that I wear when we're investigating.
I was just clicking it constantly.
Yep, that's happening.
I'm trying to record what has actually happened.
Yeah.
I actually think about it.
It's I'm wondering if it might not only just be some sort of familiar sound or frequencies that attracts attention,
but perhaps it's something about also kind of getting your own mindset to be kind of synced up with whoever else might be familiar with that music.
So you end up kind of more on the same, I would say wavelength, but at least the same sort of mindset.
And that's a receptive state where you can possibly have better connection with them.
Definitely.
Yeah, see, we were talking to Jay Hill.
He was on our show recently and he was talking about and me and him were kind of conversing about grounding yourself.
You know, before you go into investigation, you know, touching something that's connected to the earth and, you know, going into these investigations.
If that if that I mean, everything's energy, you know, it's just it's just focusing into that frequency and what what's binding it, you know, and I totally I totally believe that that that objects can can hold your energy if it meant a lot to you.
You know, I don't know.
What do you think?
I always come back to that.
If you if you had your wallet and you've been using it for years and then you end up checking to a pile of other very similar wallets, do you be able to spot it or find it or pull it out?
I mean, maybe I've never tried it.
I mean, if I looked through them, I would be able to probably, but it would probably take me like a long time, most likely.
It's an interesting experiment, isn't it?
Could you tell if yours was by the feel of the of the wallet?
Yeah. Oh, no, it was all the exact same.
I probably wouldn't be able to.
Hmm.
That's that's not a response.
I need to buy 100 wallets now.
Hey, Nando, how are you?
No, yeah, that's weird.
I never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right.
You know, and it's taking your kids goldfish and putting it in with a bunch of other goldfish.
Find which one's yours.
Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right about that.
So what do you think for like not in our physical bodies?
Do you think that it's possible maybe that the energy can attract energy like that?
Or do you think now maybe there's a different way that you've that you've maybe thought of or theory?
I don't know that I think there's a lot I think a lot to the paranormal.
I think there's a lot of random different events that we're perceiving in different ways,
which have got nothing to do with each other.
And we're just kind of we tend to want to group them together from the other.
I mean, you have to look at quantum entanglement to think, well, that's that's something I just cannot explain.
It definitely happens. You can you can do in a lab.
You can create it. It might be the future of how we communicate and maybe even teleport in the future.
Yeah, but yeah.
How does it work? Einstein doesn't know how it worked.
Yeah, no, exactly. No, you're absolutely right.
You're 100 percent right. And that's the one thing with like especially the whole quantum, you know, quantum,
ask about quantum mechanics, quantum, stuff like that.
It's so hard to put a lot of this stuff together, you know, quantum entanglement, stuff like that, you know, like even I understand.
So how could we understand really, you know, it's very early doors.
And we're seeing some of the symptoms of how these things kind of interact with our world.
And then sometimes we go, OK, I've definitely seen that.
I don't know what it is. And sometimes our brains go, I don't understand that.
I'm going to fill in some of the gaps. And that's that weird kind of misty thing I just saw was definitely a lady in white coming towards me
just because of your brain feels more comfortable with seeing something it doesn't understand.
Yeah. So what do you how do you feel about Nikola Tesla?
Because I know that AJ and I, we really admire his work and I wish I wish you know that we can see his stuff.
I know it's publicated on a PDF on what is it, the CIA or whatever files.
I downloaded them. But a lot of the stuff is retracted. A lot of blackouts.
What do you think about Nikola Tesla's work?
Well, I like that quote where he says to understand the secrets of the universe, you need to look at energy and frequencies
because that that does seem to be something that always keeps cropping up again and again when we're doing what we're doing.
So he definitely was onto something.
I really wish he'd the wireless power thing had come to fruition and it had the money.
Yeah, exactly. That's hey, Ed, I just want to shout out.
He's listening to on the radio while he's cooking.
So that's Ed O'Dell of the Rift Network. So thanks for tuning in.
Don't burn it. Yeah, don't burn the food.
So here's Andy, my boy. I was just about to hit you up to reorder.
Hey, Todd. Good to see you.
Catch you soon. But yeah, so I just wanted to say thank you again for coming on before I say one more thing.
I wanted to bring up what you did for Robin at Sky Tech for the little promotional thing.
So I want you to explain it a little bit to the viewers so that I could put it up in the underneath us.
Yeah. So on the website, SkyTech.co.uk, if you fancy getting anything from that because it seems interesting,
then just use the code Hafen, H-A-F-F-E-R-N at checkout and you get 10 percent knocked off.
Wow, man. That's awesome. Ten percent off your stuff. That's good. Thank you very much for that for promoting Robin.
Yeah. And honestly, thank you so much. We're right. Everything that's Robin's going through.
We really appreciate all our viewers. Please go out and check over skytech.co.uk and put in a Hafen code.
Get your 10 percent off. We're going to show some of his equipment right now, actually,
because I wanted to ask you about the frequency thing you were talking about with the recorder before.
If you could explain a little bit more into it, because I know you did last time.
I don't want to reiterate something I'm not smart into, so I'll let you do that.
I'll try my best. Just for me to move on though, because Todd said hi there.
Actually, try to make it easier to get things across to the to the state.
If you were. Yeah. If you you want to pick up something relatively paranormal as well,
then it's at least it's it's survived the journey across the Atlantic.
So it's kind of helpful. Yeah. Well, Todd didn't mean to call you Annie.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not. It's not the weekend. So, you know, yeah, right.
It was the weekend. There you go. It goes down phone. It goes down phone. That's funny.
I don't talk about it. He's got to talk about the. Yeah.
Yeah. G Freak. So I'm not sure about I'm sure like everyone who investigates you.
You end up kind of getting some some really good evidence and things you want to play to people and things.
You know, I just can't explain that. I've heard it time and time again.
I've tried to work out what it is. Can't debunk it. It's just unexplained.
And you just end up with this kind of pile of footage of things you can show to people.
But you're not really learning a lot from it.
So I started focusing on different elements and breaking things down into different types of events
and how people are witnessing those focus kind of what was what was the thing that happened.
Did you see it? Did you hear it? So and part of that, I was looking at EVPs and disembodied voices,
DVPs that go now and footsteps and anything kind of audio because that's the same sort of thing.
Really, it's either passing through the air as fluctuations of air pressure or your brain is picking up and it thinks it's audio.
So I thought I'm going to focus on that. See if I can see any patterns.
And I'm looking at the spectrum of frequencies on lots of different EVPs and footsteps as well and occasionally knocks.
I was seeing this this significant collection of frequencies in the 400 to 550 range.
I was keep seeing these little kind of spikes. There's a lot of them in that range.
And I think there's there's some other theories which reduce it.
There's some sort of resonant frequency about 400 hertz, which I only learned of later after going through this.
Yeah. So for years, I wanted to clean up EVPs as soon as I got one or someone sent me something,
I would just go into an acidity and do a do a five, ten decibel boost just on those frequencies.
And it would it would pick out extra bits. You'd hear things.
I was that that's what I use.
I use a crossover when I do my live sessions and right at I don't know,
between eight hundred to a thousand is where I get my best responses.
I'll play a clip for you later. But yeah, that's perfect. Yeah.
Yeah. So that was very useful for a long time.
And I got the point where I was like, I wish I'd like there was one place is Fort Widley where we were hearing these footsteps like nearly every time we went.
You got these battlements and people were witnessing these footsteps, steps, walking up to them.
No one was there. And on the recording, after I cleaned it up, you could hear that they were on gravel.
And then there's no gravel around. It was all kind of grassed over.
So that would have told us a lot more about what actually occurred on that night that we were hearing the recording as opposed to we were witnessing someone actually moving through the grass.
And that would have probably changed the way we tried to then capture it.
So I thought I need to be able to do this stuff in the field, maybe.
So that's why I made this, which is just basically an unpowered bandpass filter, which when you put audio through it, it it reduces the other frequencies and enhances the frequencies which are after the 400 to 550.
So then you use a mini plug to plug that into your mic part on your recorder.
It's a 3.5 mil.
Yeah, sorry. And all right. It's shaped like an arrow. So it's kind of your part you pass through in direction the arrow.
There's someone recently said it looks like a Lego man with no head. Yeah.
I don't trust you.
Yeah, I like it.
I was just saying the same thing. That's so funny you said that.
And I'm not going to unsee that.
No, I'm not going to unsee that now, but I love that. That's such a great thing.
Now, I wanted to ask you about that. Now, you've done a ton of research you said 12 years in the back.
You know you've been studying this and you've been figuring out the range of those frequencies. Now with frequency, and you're hearing that gravel right with the CVP, what do you believe you're actually hearing or going on in that frequency range like, are we hearing
the dead, or are we hearing a resident frequency of some kind of something what do you believe that is going on in this like, what, how would you explain that.
It's an interesting question, because one of the big questions when it's about disembodied voices and things that you hear with your ears in real time is, how did it gets to my ears, how did it vibrate my eardrum.
And as I've got recordings of these footsteps on several different occasions, then we heard it in the same way as the audio recorder heard it, that something vibrated the air between the point of origin and where it picked up on the recorder and picked up on your ears.
So, whatever it was that caused it had enough energy to create those air vibrations, and this had that energy every time that we've been there, and who knows if it's every time we're not there. So for me, that has seemed to be in a recording so it's something which is happening, potentially
it's not about whether there's people there or not, it's something you don't we have to try and figure out by recording lots of times and not being there to work out if you people being there is a component in providing the energy, which it needs to move that air,
but something certainly had to move the air and change the pressure in order to record it and for people to hear it.
So, I mean, from who can say, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that something like recording would be something like a alternative dimensional.
Yeah, maybe even know that time slip, because it's basically, it keeps on happening and something.
Yeah, it's like the repeating, repeating thing like there's there's a spirit here in Colorado off of Riverdale Road, where you go to this one spot and you stand there, and he'll run right by you, and you get cold and your, your goosebumps go up and you just feel uneasy and it just
starts over again it just keeps going. And you can hear the feet in the gravel like, but now it's a golf course and they got security there so they don't allow anybody to go there anymore.
Yeah, shame, be interesting to see if now it's kind of a golf course if it does still sound like gravel.
I'm sure it does. I would guarantee it does because this guy apparently was jogging in 1980s and got hit by a car and left for dead in the ditch.
Wow, that's the story.
Yeah, that's kind of what happened with our footsteps as well, after, after we caught it and then played back the gravel sound to the curator of the for.
And he said, Well, actually, back when it was active fought in the Victorian era. They had shale up on the battlements not with grass verges now there.
So we started looking at the newspaper reports around that sort of period, and we found several unrelated deaths, some were hit by lightning and a couple of people fell off.
One person was drunk and got his head clubbed in for some reason and was left up there.
But because it's, and since that point every time we go back we try and use that information to try and get some education but it's nothing ever response to it it's just something which just happens.
Sometimes one person there sometimes with a group of people that just where it comes from is the mystery isn't it. But yeah, so it was a bit later.
Yeah, no, absolutely. That is a huge mystery of it. Absolutely. 110%.
I mean, looking on all the research and stuff like, like, we know there's different realms and they're saying that like in this, this fifth dimension there is no time.
You know that there is no, I mean if you think about it now, you know, time is just a measurement of interactions.
I, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, it's something that that we made up as humans, you know, the same with money, you know, and, and, you know, dogs don't care what time it is or, you know, the sharks, wherever you are.
They don't they don't know what time is.
Yeah.
You know, you know it's weird to sit here and think about like oh yeah like there's no such thing as time you know like it's a weird concept to think about because we're so used to it growing up in that environment where we've known time our whole lives we just human
construct of it, but you know to live in that not knowing would probably be so much more stress free. I think in my opinion and having to sit here and worry about time because I feel like I don't have enough time in the day sometimes to get all the stuff I want to do
you know what I mean. And I structure you know so I would love to be without time for a minute.
Yeah, where dog just goes what a really nice dinner. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Thank you very much and then he's under the next thought. Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, even even speaking of dogs.
One of the scientists are saying, you know, a dog is programmed to know the longevity of their life so so one year of us is seven years to the dog, you know, so if you go to the mailbox and you come back, you've been gone to a month.
Why they're so happy to see you. Yeah, they don't know what time it is.
That would be kind of scary actually you know if you think about it you know thinking about someone walking the mailbox coming back and you feel like they're going gone for a month.
That would be a feeling that would be a very freaky feeling, but, you know, I, you know, I'm like I said I had something maybe I'll experience when I die, who knows you know but we'll figure it out, I guess, we all have to
figure it out eventually. We're all going that way anyway so the next thing I want to talk about was the next device you brought out on back. If you could explain a little bit about it and what you guys would use it for during those investigations.
The what sorry, the box one that you showed in back of the other device you have.
I couldn't think of the name. Yeah, so this is a custom one which I don't think we put in general general kind of release because it's a bit of a pain to put together.
But basically the concept is, is it is, it's like, like a starting beacon. And the beacon works in outputting both visible and audio frequencies in a very broad range so between 20 hertz to 20,000 hertz audio signals, and then 700 nanometers up to UVs
and then 800 so it goes goes throughout IR and visible and then UV bandwidths in the same speed as whatever the audio frequency that's coming out of it.
No idea if it's going to work at all. It was just a concept of being able to kind of create a like an EM pump, where EM electromagnetic energy can include visible light, so why not make something which then gives that energy in a form which might be useful.
That is amazing. Yeah, but the idea of being is a, who knows it's going to work, you know, going to give it a bit of trying out.
See if it's good. We'll put some patterns on here so apart from just the frequency increasing there's ones where it's one, it decreases and increase the same time like a cross one and a polyphonic one so there's a staggered start.
And then a sharp, sharp. Exactly, lots of different things and see what sticks you know, try out there see if it like an EM pump, it generates an attraction, it pulls something towards it that it finds useful.
If you don't mind me asking this because I've always wondered this. You said it was very hard to put that together now what goes into something along those lines of getting those bandwidths between like those wavelengths of light or regulating them.
Yeah.
In this case, I cheated.
Yeah, so what I did was was integrate audio files in here, so it's playing audio files which are then timed.
And then that timing and syncs up with the light generation, so that it's.
So did you use like a frequency generator generator on the files. Yes, exactly. I had to create the files. I did and then played the files because it's, it makes it easier to make it kind of portable and not use up a lot of batteries and.
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's fussy.
Now that is, that is absolutely awesome. I love that device man I can't wait to you guys, you know, just.
Sorry.
Come up with and your team comes up with because it's so in depth and so scientific that, you know, you are getting data and that's really what the whole point of this is if you're a real paranormal investigator or researcher that you want data and you want solid data for
your experiments. So it's perfect that you guys come out with this, this great great equipment man I always love talking about this stuff, because you're so intelligent and you've done so much research into it and I know you may not feel like you're this intelligent
into it but talking to a beginner that knows nothing about it I tell you what you you all me with it man truly so I love learning from you so I really truly appreciate all the knowledge that you share.
I love what you guys do as well, just just you talk to people about things and and listen to what their theories are because you might not always agree with people, but this whole thing is such a big mystery and there's so many different things to it that it's amazing
in odd places you hear these little things you think oh hang on that clicks.
So I was thinking, you know, about crystals, and how that you can pick up by this and thought hang on that makes sense you use a radio has got a crystal every.
Every watch has got a crystal every mobile phones got a crystal. There is something in crystals and residents and energy so why, why can't we have this conversation, even if it seems like is like, I'm all about the data but it was also about all about kind
of getting other people's ideas and kind of working on those and sharing what we find and that's, that's where I found we've progressed the most is just by trying to involve people as much as possible.
I got a video on my phone of a guy that put electrodes on a mushroom, and it was singing a song, all these different triggers are coming through and it's playing the song you know I don't know the piece of work with all I'll send all the message you the video
and you can watch it, it's amazing man. Yeah, they have a new lifestyle now that you can hook these two things up now and on any kind of plant, any type of thing and it'll play frequencies of whatever the plan is producing or whatever
you're thinking or putting out. Yeah, it's really, yeah, it's absolutely wild and it goes back to what we were talking about before about frequency and like how a lot of this stuff does keep reoccurring, you know, coming up, you know, and so you know there
has to be something to it, there has to be something, something to whatever we're, we're studying right. There is definitely something to it. Yeah, absolutely. There's too many people have seen and recorded things to say there's nothing to it.
It's just, what is it? Exactly. What is it? Now, tell me what is one of your favorite technologies that you've created that you put your heart and soul into that you were like, I am very proud of this.
The data logging, both the technology, but also kind of the protocols around it as well, which is enabled us to kind of just keep building on things.
So, when we investigate, this is kind of our stuff building these in the first place was, I wanted to be able to kind of record things methodically and consistently and be able to then go to a fort or a manor house or castle or anywhere.
And doesn't matter where you go and how long you're there, you're gathering data during that point which you can compare against each other.
So I started making these data log as you can carry around, but then I made some we can wear and ones that can go outside and ones that each team can carry and then they'll sync up, which has been good and reliant on the protocols of making sure the times are right and starting the same sort of time and then uploading to our websites and then using that to compare stuff.
I remember talking about this on the first podcast and this absolutely incredible that you've made. And I'm so happy that you picked this device is your favorite because this is definitely one of my favorites that you've created and and I have to say that, as a researcher like, this is something that I want to pick up from you because, like, it's something that I would love to have to have my data stored somewhere where I can just put it onto a computer, you know what I mean and like have the data.
I mean, John, do you remember that this device I don't know if you were with us like I said in the first episode no I wasn't.
I remember watching the episode that devices crazy like yeah and I think that's imperative you know because when you're there investigating you know I hate reaching into my bag for all the different stuff if I could get it all in one thing and it's recording as it's as it's going that's insane.
I'll show you if you like. I was gonna grab it. Yeah. And the next well the interesting you say that actually because the next step for us is to improve the technology a little bit gets a network between the different.
Yeah, different data log is also because at the moment we upload it mainly to a website but I'm going to get it so it is going to the website so join investigation, we can see some of these correlations or see what areas which things are happening so we can move the investigation there.
Yeah, because if you have something happen at this point in time, and the same you hear the same noise or the same thing. It happens at this point in time then you can you can find that frequency range of, of, you know, if I saw something or I heard something and that will help us get that technology
that, hey, here's some glasses put these on and you'll see some ghosts. It's operating at that frequency you know, well, yeah, that would be awesome.
The one thing we're working towards once we do those is, and I've been speaking to quite a number of venues around the UK is actually making available to other people so they can then investigate upload it to a site and then use that for their, their team
to then see these things. Also, have access to locations which have running these like 24 seven to see if then you're seeing any correlation between like when you go there, and you're investigating is all these things happening more often than when people are not there, for example.
Yeah, like, like if you left the equipment alone would you get the same responses as if you were there, you know, yeah, that's perfect.
Yeah, I'll show you what I use.
It was originally a prototype so it's an it's a backpack rig. Oh my gosh. And on it. It's got a, it's got the IR and a camera so where I'm looking at recording.
I've got it on the back of like a little screen, so I can see what the data log is doing. Yeah, because it's, you'll be able to see what it's saying. Yeah, yeah, and be able to then also record when I see things or sync of equipment.
That's a very important.
How heavy is it?
Not very heavy.
Okay.
Like a baby.
Maybe.
Like as well it's got built in to dynamic microphones on the side as well.
So that once when I'm walking around, and then I hear something I'll get, I can pick it up what direction exactly was in lieu with where my cameras as well.
That is, that is awesome.
That was me. I let some gas go.
My partner's also got one so between us, we have this kind of sort of four directions quite often in each room so we're able to then see exactly or hear exactly where the thing came from.
Well that is that is awesome, because that's so that's one thing we're always looking for you know we hear sound we're like where did that come from you know it sounds like one spot but it's always somewhere else you know so have you had great success with that
like as a microphone to have those four ranges. Absolutely. I mean, nine times out of 10 it just helped us to bunk things but in reality,
I'm, I'm always a little disappointed when you debunk something amazing but also kind of, yeah, yeah, I know you mean, I know you mean it stinks because you're like you want it to be something.
You're like so excited you're like, oh god so thinking, then you're like, oh it's this shadow off the wall.
Someone clearing their throat and they forgot they did it.
Or someone whispered and they, you know, remember, yeah, I know.
Yeah, I tell nobody ever whispered to never whisper.
There's a kind of passive aggressively, like, you know when you kind of you flag things like you made a creek one, when someone else is whispering I'll say, so and so just whispered.
Yeah, no, yeah, I see they pick up on it. Yeah, see it that's why I like investigating alone. I like I try to do everything by myself if I can, you know if people are up there I'll go to the complete opposite place, you know, there's no, no noise.
What do they call it distribution you know I just can't handle that. Yeah.
I guess one of the only good parts about the lockdown period is we were able to get some locations and just go like a couple of people.
Everybody was dying for money when everybody was trapped at home so yeah.
Yeah, so some locations were like okay, if you're only coming in with three four people and that should be fine and then you're able to get it for a song it was, it was quite good.
That's amazing. Now tell me as your experiences at Angel Ram and have you guys had great success with your equipment there.
On, actually on the times when there was hardly anyone there that was our best times, and I was just starting to introduce the MagnaVex which is a magnetometer.
It detects shifts in the magnetic field between the polarity or sudden spikes which weren't present during a quite a long calibration period.
And that was the first place that which we were trying out as an independent unit rather than just on my backpack trying to spot the changes on the data logger.
Does it distinguish between electric and magnetic changes or it's specifically magnetic so it's just mountains and which, which is actually quite interesting.
Yeah, like a compass it's like a digital compass basically right. It's going back to like people were using compasses for years and then we forgot about mantis and for some reason a move to electromagnetism, but people were using mantis and for a long time.
Well I know Ed he was on earlier like I said he was with his with rift, he he believes in the compass, he'll take a compass as opposed to a K two meter or anything and walk around locations and if it starts going funky for some reason that there's a field somewhere on there.
So it can affect it than the name of the modern world.
That is great. Todd just said Magnavox is an absolutely amazing device I've had a theory for a long time that spirits are made up of more of a magnetic or natural type energy than they are of a man made electric type of energy.
Magnavox has been helping me prove this theory over and over again on every investigation it's absolutely badass device. So thank you Todd for saying that. Thanks Todd. That is absolutely true. So I mean I've seen some some of his work and some things that Todd has caused some
absolute awesome stuff with your devices so I totally am 100% behind it and everyone else please go and check out the link below skyartech.co.uk put half earn in the checkout code for 10% off now and check out some more of this equipment I mean it's absolutely amazing.
Tell me what would what would one of your team members say would be one of their like top favorite equipments compared to what you've chosen.
They, they like the Aero Fluxes.
So that's the one that detects the pressure air pressure fluctuations, which are in a pattern which we've seen through the data lovers, because they tend to indicate that something is about to happen, or to kind of pay attention to one area of the room or other.
And they're quite like the, like putting them out in like, like doorways so you put one in each doorway the room you're in, and then you see if anyone goes off, because then you know to expect something maybe from that direction, or something.
So it's this that's one's very popular because it's, it's not something that's really looked at very much and and it's very consistently linked with other stuff happening.
So if you're going off then it's a, it's a good night.
No, that was awesome. Yeah. I you know I don't blame them for picking that that's that would be a great, you know, great tool to have like for my kid because I always wonder like what you know changes right before something is about to happen and I know talking
about air pressure obviously you said air pressure before. Have you noticed any other things that changes right before on your data loggers have you noticed any other changes in certain fluctuations.
Well the, the magnetic field one was one that came from the same sort of period but we weren't too sure because there was a real weird inconsistency with that.
The other one which we're trying to look into, and we're going to study next year is as air capacitance. So, how much energy can the air store, which appears to change, which may or may not be related to the air pressure, but potentially not so we need to
study that kind of good temperature affected as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, we need to kind of do more studying related that relating to other other types of environmental changes to see if it's changing along with them, or it's changing
outside those because then that would be strange, and something else must be affecting it.
So, if you put a temperature gauge in there to work an algorithm, you know, okay it's 60 degrees. So, you know, the air should be here, you know, so, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, I do have our data loggers with fog and dust so there's there's an algorithm you use with humidity and temperature to work out what's, is it possible for dust to be suspended in the air or will it fall.
So, you know, the temperature and humidity work out if fog can regenerate or not. So, every second is recording that calculation as well the result of it saying it is possible the dust can be in the air and it is possible that fog can be rolling in, or not.
So, if you can see a mist or orbs you can say, actually, that might not be dust, that's not dust, because it can't be in the air, but it could be a spider.
Yeah. Now, see my wonder is these fluctuations that you're catching, how much of it can affect the human body is what I'm wondering like I know air pressure can somewhat like affects human body but only very you know, depending on certain factors, but like for other things.
Have you like looked into a certain other fluctuations that can affect the human body because the reason why I'm asking this is because I had this theory that when a spirit shows itself to somebody or they have a full body apparition type scene, like where they see something like that.
I'm wondering if the energy is affecting the human body making the consciousness see whatever the brain is filtering, if that kind of makes sense, whatever the eyes are picking up and sensing and filtering through the brain.
So I was just wondering, are you, are you do you know of any other fluctuations that can cause any kind of type of things to the human body.
It is interesting to actually because I don't know about you but there's there's sometimes when you're wandering around places, you can feel like, oh, this, this this feels uncomfortable here or this feels like different to the other areas and you kind of get the
tackles raised up, sometimes we call it a Scooby Doo feeling that this seems like an interesting feeling that I think that's what an empath is is, is, is, will feel how a room changes.
Yeah. Yeah.
sensitive to that that atmosphere you know, I would say they even people meet I'm psychic as brick, but, but sometimes you can walk around and feel like this feels a little bit different and that's that must be something your body is picking up that
you're interacting with. And you do actually have more than five senses and I'm not even talking about third eye senses which are internal senses which are there to regulate different bits of your body, which are literally got those jobs of keeping an eye on your body
and then telling you when something needs to be done and your brain sorts it out.
So, those are those are other senses which can pick up on environmental changes which aren't necessarily your skin picking up the temperature change. Yeah, or smelling something as you're hearing something.
Yeah, you can find all these fences that are connected to your brain.
Or also to it's like when you're in a room with somebody and say someone hears something but someone doesn't hear one, like someone here, but the person standing right next to them doesn't hear that is some kind of energy affecting the human body fluctuating
the inner senses of our body to perceive and, you know, and our brain filters it out to this experience that we're having you know I mean audibly or physically or whatever it may be.
That was something I always wondered because you're collecting so much data and I find it so awesome.
Um, you know that that that but does Andy have any equipment that registers infrasound and what is his take on infrasound as it relates to a ghostly feeling from Victoria Monday.
So, I've looked into it.
So you have to be able to pick up that much data a long period of time to then see this.
Yeah, it would be the hurts, it would be so low that yes, like less than 20. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't even be able to hear that. But it has definitely been proven that it does affect humans time and time again.
Oh yeah, infrasound can do some damage for sure. I mean I've heard some serious stories about like certain hurts like especially like I think it's like what we vibrate like seven hurts or something like that.
So, you know, to match that hurt you can actually die or something along those lines.
Even in the military man they have those those things for crowd control that would make people throw up and get sick.
I had that with this actually. I just think of running in on conservatory because it goes very loud. And at one point, I just I felt terrible and just had to leave it and then come back later.
Yeah, well yes, seriously. No, but no, it always makes me wonder though, you know, like we are playing with a lot of this, you know, different type of equipment stuff like that.
And it's always made me wonder like I know we're registering it. So I'm wondering if this type of energy is affecting our bodies. Is that the reason why, you know, we're, you know, for example, mediums, they say sometimes that someone's always standing behind you.
People are always standing behind you. They're never like in front of you or something like that. Right. So the thing is, they always see him behind you. So I'm wondering, are they always behind us because they can't get too close because the energy can affect our bodies.
Is that it? Or is the energy just not wanting to get close because it knows it's intelligently knows consciously that it can hurt us in some way. Like, who knows what that whole thing is about.
But that's why I wanted to ask you what you thought about the energy and affecting and also with what Victoria said, you know, she just said, I feel the most closely things are vibrations and not electromagnetic things.
Most of our equipment registers on ENF spectrum. What's your thoughts on that?
When we say vibrations, it would need to be something vibrating, basically.
Like, let's go back to quantum mechanics with string theory, for example, concept being that each particle is not a single particle. It's a string which is vibrating on a wavelength, which then passes through seven different dimensions, which are on different wavelengths.
All that is vibration, but it needs something to vibrate.
I think I think the easiest way to explain it is that everything will give off a frequency. It's just what part of your senses is is feeling it because you play the guitar string.
I'm hearing 400 Hertz through my ear, but my eyes can't see the vibration. So it's going to be lower in the light spectrum, you know, and then I can't feel it. So it's going to be even lower than, you know, this then Victoria said audio frequencies and light frequencies and Victoria.
I don't know if you were watching earlier when Andy showed the device that he just picked up and was talking about how he was feeling terrible about it's custom device that he made that works on the wavelengths of the light frequency and also using audio frequencies like he was
explaining before. So take a look at that and check it out. What we were talking about before because it may answer your question a little bit more.
But so Nancy says that's what the cleaning guy at Chamberlain will tell us about things that happens there. It's always behind them.
It always makes me wonder, you know, it just always makes me wonder like is the energy never getting too close to us because it can hurt us, it can affect us, our bodies in a certain way or is that why when they do come close to us or whatever that people get sick and they start throwing up the room changes like the
fluctuations. So that's why I had to ask you that question. One thing just struck me then when you said, do you remember I mentioned before, like when you just listen to people and you might pick out little bits which I want to look into that.
The thought of maybe always feel like something's behind you, we always sense something behind you might mean that the parts of your brains that towards the back might have some impact in how it's picking up on it.
I don't know what's back there. I need to do some research on what's the back of your brain now. Yeah, yeah, you don't know what parts are activated what parts aren't activated, you know if their energy can activate that that one part that you've never felt before and, you know, that's why you get like goosebumps and warning
signs or feeling sick, you know, there's so much into it, you know, it's so amazing that we haven't tapped into all this stuff yet you know.
The problem is, is just, it's, there's too much stigma with it really. Yes, to properly put time and money and coordination into it, because that's what it needs just needs, it needs kind of working together and coordinating a bit to kind of come up with these ideas of things
to check out and then then going off and actually checking out.
I want to play a clip for you if you don't mind AJ. It was from my last session, like I tried to help cold cases I just use a standard SB seven spirit box you know the little $40 one, and I hook it up to my surround system and I just want to play this clip for you to
see if you hear it too. So, you mind.
Please do it. All right.
You were found about three miles away from your truck.
Oh, thank you.
Oh,
yeah, see that was pretty cool. It always makes me wonder though Andy with with audio stuff especially when I'm reviewing my audio and stuff. I always only pick out like really the clearest clearest ones that I can hear because I always know pareidolia, and the way
that we hear sound, we have that thing where that Laurel Laurel and Yanni type of factor whatever you want. Yeah, I can't think of the name actual scientific name of the effect but yeah, the Laurel and Yanni experiment and, you know, they did another one that was on a short recently
it was it was just from a TV show, and it was basically at a football game. You guys football soccer, they would be chanting that is embarrassing. But when you listen to it and you put different words on the screen, or brain.
The person is this or just, yeah, different gestures and words so it always makes me wonder like, like, are we really hearing what we're hearing because as JK said in the in that video, he heard yeah, but it really, when he reviewed it he heard I know as we
reviewed it, he heard clearly through it when he slowed it down. So that's why during real time like I always, I personally always go back and I know you did too and you review everything and that's the reasons why we do our things to review stuff.
I try not to react sometimes even I want, even though I want to because when I review it I'm like, oh my gosh, it didn't say that, you know, and I now I look stupid you know what I mean but something that we do because it's things we hear in the moment but I love that we're able to slow stuff down and, and check it out afterwards you know to be able to hear exactly what we hope we're getting, you know,
a couple of times where you play it backwards, and you actually you hear things which weren't there before. That's what I was about to ask you about to what do you believe in that effect.
What do you think is going on there. That is a very interesting one isn't it.
Because it really is. Yeah, it's, it would have to been created, and then you're hearing it in the wrong direction.
It might not want to try to play that clip backwards and see what happens. It was interesting because that was passing must have been, must have been about 1213 different frequencies on the spirit boxes it that's what I was saying, I do it at 150 milliseconds, so that's pretty fast there's only one other speed above that, you know, and that's like super fast.
And, and for the time for that to go through. I mean it went through at least seven different stations, you know seven different frequencies.
And, and I just can't, I don't know, you know, I don't know if it's my mind or my consciousness if I actually made connection with energy that that can give these responses.
It's like, what is that frequency though, like you know what is that one, is it one frequency or is it multiple frequencies that they're actually you know truly coming through as or can we make a spirit box that has one frequency that they can just use that's not scanning all the time.
That's what I want to know.
Or is it is, is not actually to do with the scanning at all.
Yeah, yeah, how does an EVP appear on an audio recorder, when no one's heard it so I didn't get there without going through the air.
And I would propose that one solution for that is, is the MF, if the waveform was EMF, and then it hit the recorder and then got detected as audio in record.
So, which you can do is an experiment just using guitar pickups again if you use one of those text or microphone you can change your voice from from vibrating air to EMF energy which you can then pick up on a MF devices or an MF recorder.
Yeah, but perhaps the spirit box is doing the same thing. So, the amplifier on the speaker of the spirit box is picking up that EMF and putting it out by the speaker.
And it's just kind of coincidence that you're also hearing the radio stations going through.
It's not as you read the radio stations at all when it's just the fact you're, you're giving it a source of an amplified energy to put it out.
Yeah, I mean if you if you heard my response because I do my stuff live, like, so there's no, there's no BS so everybody hears what I hear.
And all I heard was shot us. I didn't hear that whole that whole sentence, you know, because it was too embedded in there but I knew I heard something. So that's when I focused in on that and was able to slow it down at the noise and
that makes sense of what he's saying though john because remember how many you talk, or like yo we hear something in the static. We actually hear walking in the static, but we can't post that because people aren't going to hear that.
So I have to like is amplifying the EMF coming out of speaker and it's causing an EVP type effect, you know, on hearing supposed to just recording very yeah wow that's very interesting I never thought of it that way.
Victoria, what we were talking about on about the backwards, I'm hearing something in reverse. She said that would be possible right if time is a man made constraint. So in the spirit world, time wouldn't be just forward it would go in many directions.
It would go back.
I understand I mean and then when Nancy said there is many apps out there that do have devices that have reverse audio clips that are in a jibberish. What do you think about those kind of techniques do you think something's going on there that they're actually hearing their
true responses they're hearing or do you think that it's more of a pareidolia type effect, because it's in reverse and we're getting these bool type sounds, you know, yeah, I think your brain is designed to pick up on on anything which you might need to know in case there's a threat so you instantly
try and make sense of anything that's like a self defense type of mechanism in your brain, the kind of make sense of the situation.
Yeah, yeah, that's why you bring tries to spot people in city you know like addressing out on the back of the door and try to go as a person that I need to worry and get up and, oh no, it's just my dressing gowns fine.
Yeah.
No, it's
I mean, we do with clouds all the time we'll look up at a cloud and go Oh, that looks like a flower that looks like a dog or you know whatever just in our minds will just because our brain is constantly trying to create a pattern of whatever.
So I totally get that so yeah that's why that's that's that's true.
Really good piece of evidence that's kind of supports a sort of time dilation or at least kind of a different time speed for some of the things we witnessed, which is actually the ram in again weirdly with three people there.
And we were coming down the stairs. And when I got I was at the bottom was going first and there was some behind me in the middle of the stairs and someone who's still in the attic.
And when I hit the bottom the stairs, I had some say Andy. And so I called up said, what was it you want. And then, what do you say Andy is like no so the way we investigate everyone's got audio recorders on as well as different locations.
And so from that I picked up the Andy on all three areas where I was the stairs and the attic. Mine it sounds normal but as you further away you got the stairs, the length of the Andy keeps getting longer.
And that would indicate that the either time or the frequencies change between those two points.
Very strange but really good catch because you can then some of the theories of that. That is a cool catch. There's like Chris just said that yeah if you can if you can catch the same sound on three different devices and three different locations, I mean, what can do that.
That doesn't always happen that you catch it on.
Sometimes you can have it on one record and one record right next to it.
It gets nothing. Yes, it drives me up the wall sometimes. Yeah, that's wild though because that would show time dilation. You're absolutely right. That would show. Wow, that would that's wild. I never thought it was kind of cool.
That is awesome. Man my brain is fried.
Just like oh my gosh I got so much to think about now.
It's just the DP going to it.
Thank you so much for coming on. I once again if you could shout out all your stuff for us so that all the viewers can go check out all your amazing equipment. Some of the stuff you're going to come out with soon is going to be absolutely amazing.
I want to have you back on when you do have this year coming because I know you have a big year forward. Yes, I'm trying to go from just detecting these changes to then helping you be used in communication.
So next year is about trying to amp the communication up using this information. Nancy loves your accent.
I haven't got an accent. Everyone misses Rowan's accent. See what I'm saying here? They're all missing the UK people, I tell you. But no, that's great. And that's what I was just going to ask you was what do you have planned for next year before you go?
I mean there's so much going on for next year that you have going on. I can imagine. What is something that you can sneak peek us?
So, yeah, okay. Two things then. One is going to be a device which helps people remove some of the variables when doing ESTA sessions. So the point it removes the worrying about radio stations and also enables people then to then review things back later.
As well as also communicate things like male or female, one person, another person during the session itself. So help the session progress a little bit. So trying to improve the way ESTA's work and get better results and see if there's anything to it or not.
Really focus on that. And the other device is, I want to say it's like a word bank approach, but the word bank focused on the environmental changes and relate them to specific types of responses.
So they're based on questioning on say like how you're feeling or what sort do you like about the place, then have the different changes in the environment specifically hit different words that are tonally increased. So hot would be happy or cold would be sad.
And then the bigger the change, the different sort of the word. So that we can then communicate that when you're actually doing investigations saying, tell me how you're feeling, if it's good then do this, do that. And then you can see a scale of that and actually then be able to use it as opposed to say a word bank or an app, which is just coming up with random words. You don't know how that works.
This is designed so you can explain it. And then it can be used in a little bit more intuitive way with whoever you're talking to.
And then, um, Nancy, Nancy Newton said Greg and Greg will love that. So, um, I, we're, we're all gonna love some of the stuff you're coming out with. It's very scientific.
Any viewer that just hopped in. Definitely check out this episode because Andy, he, he's amazing man. He comes up with some amazing stuff. Keep doing what you're doing, my friend. And I'm super happy to have you on the show and so proud to have you on the show man.
Truly an honor. So anyway, shout out your website real quick and tell everyone what you're doing.
Skytech.co.uk or alternatively you can go to relative paranormal.
Awesome. So there you go. You guys wrote it first. Well, thank you so much Andy for coming on. I appreciate your time.
Well, that's a pleasure.
Yeah. Thank you, Andy. What do you say, Andy? Cheers. Cheers.
Cheers.
Thanks.
Had a blast, man.
Have a good one. See you later.
Oh, that's awesome, man. Hold on. Let's change this back.
That's awesome. Um, I had a great time talking to Andy, man. I such a great time and I, you know, I wish I knew that Todd and Marissa were free. I would have had them come on and talk as well because they work very close with Andy.
I would have had them come on and I couldn't send him a link at the same time as doing all of this. I kind of feel bad, but I'll hit up Todd after. I'll let him know.
It was no hard feelings than that at all. But I tell you, man, some of the great theories that we were able to talk about and some of the stuff that he's able to collect, you know, doing the work at Skytech that they do, it's just like absolutely amazing, man, isn't it?
Yeah, dude, I'm blown away, you know, and just I can, I can see his excitement in him. I can feel it, you know, as he's talking about his devices and to have that passion, you know, into something that you built, you know that your heart and your mind are connected and it's going to happen, you know, and he has that.
He has that aura, man. He's just he's going to he's going to blow something open and it's going to take off. So yeah, absolutely. Well, everyone watching, thank you so much for checking on another episode of Talking with the Source.
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