1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,000 10...9...8...7...6...5... 2 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:35,000 10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1 3 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:08,000 What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here with Talking with the Source. I'm here with my great friend and co-host. 4 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Jonathan Keyword, JK47 Paranormal baby. 5 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Watch out, watch out. Wanna give a shout out real quick to your podcast man, Targeting with JK47. You wanna check it out. He's doing cold cases where he's connecting with the spirits of these cold cases, these victims. 6 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,000 And he's doing amazing work. I mean the connection that he has is absolutely awesome. I'm proud of you man and keep up the good work. 7 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:43,000 We would have done it without you brother. You're my source. That's why we're Talking with the Source. 8 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Real quick, I wanna shout out a great business in the Connecticut area. It's one of my great friend's sons. His name is Michael. It's 203 Detailing. Just wanna put it up on the screen real quick. 9 00:01:53,000 --> 00:02:09,000 His number is 203-707-7077. He does detailing and paint correction for cars as you can see some of the pictures of some of the before and after that he's done. He does great work. He's a young kid. He's got a lot on his plate. I'm so proud of this kid. 10 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:23,000 The way that he grew up and his life and just the man he's becoming. I'm just super proud of him. So please shout out 203 Detailing if you're in the area. 707-7077-203 is the area code. 11 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:35,000 But anyway, we have an awesome guest. Dez, I wanna say thank you so much for being on. Thank you. And for everyone else that's watching. We have an amazing guest. His name is Edward Keelhack. 12 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:51,000 He is from Windy City Paranormal. I'm gonna bring him forth right now. Ed, how you doing? Hey. So tell us Ed, you just told me in the back. How is the weather out there brother? It's cold and rainy. 13 00:02:51,000 --> 00:03:07,000 I figured. Same way. We got some sun today but it's been cold and rainy here too man in Connecticut. It's hot as hell here man. We're closest to the sun. Hey Chris. 14 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:18,000 So Ed, real quick I wanna ask you. What got you into the paranormal? It's normally the first question that I'll ask everybody is what got you into the paranormal and what got you guys started into Windy City? 15 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Well, I started having a paranormal situation back in 1981. 16 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:33,000 And prior to that, you know, I always, I mean, when I was a young boy. 17 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:39,000 Somebody be telling a ghost story and stuff like that. Who doesn't like a good ghost story, but you know, right. 18 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:55,000 You think in the back of your head, is there any truth to any of this stuff? Yeah. And in 1981 I got my answer. Not just once, but like four times. 19 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Yeah, so then that started years and years of just looking to see if anybody else had similar situations and whatnot. 20 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,000 And then I saw Ghost Hunters on cable TV. 21 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 And that was it. 22 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 You know, I joined a good old Jason Hawes. 23 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 Yep. 24 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:28,000 And joined a group in DuPage County. 25 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:37,000 And then that folded. And from that we started Windy City Paranormal back in 2008. 26 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:46,000 That is awesome. That is awesome. So Tony, explain a little bit about the, you know, 1981 and the things that you, you know. 27 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:52,000 I'll give you the short version of this story. Okay. 28 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Met a girl at a party. Her boyfriend just dropped her off at this party, went off somewhere else. 29 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000 She didn't know where she was. I made sure she got home. 30 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:10,000 And we exchanged numbers that night, you know, I figured she's not even going to remember me. 31 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Well, to make a long story short, went over there the next day because she called. 32 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:26,000 And wasn't in the house more than 10 minutes. It was just something's not right here. 33 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:38,000 And it was just getting more and more progressively active. 34 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Yeah, aggressive, you know, like I'm being watched. You know, it was really weird. 35 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,000 And I brushed it off to being nervous or something like that. Yeah, of course. 36 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:56,000 So months later became very, very good friends with the family and everything. Well, anyways. 37 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:05,000 So in talking to her, she said she had a younger brother and I didn't know how much younger, but that he was younger, you know. 38 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:12,000 So I'm thinking, well, maybe he's hiding somewhere. And that's what I'm feeling, you know. 39 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Well, it was only one place to hide in this room. It was a big walk in closet. 40 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:28,000 I opened up the door and it felt like the temperature went down like 20 degrees as soon as I did that. 41 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:36,000 And you ever be in a dark room? I mean, so dark you can't even see your hand in front of your face. 42 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:43,000 Yeah, we call it Africa dark. It's in Africa and it's nighttime. It is pitch dark. 43 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000 But if somebody's standing right in front of you, you can kind of sense that they're there. 44 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,000 That's what I was. That was that's what I was feeling as soon as I opened the door. 45 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,000 You can see straight straight through to the back of the closet. Wow. See, that's not. 46 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Now, have you had an experience like what I was going to say, which I thought you were going to say was, 47 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:10,000 have you ever been in a dark room and seen a darker shadow in the room where you can't see your hand in front of your face? 48 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Have you ever seen that before, too? No, I've never seen that. That's freaky to see a shadow person like that. 49 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,000 That's real freaky. So if you ever see that, definitely let me know. 50 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Yeah. Well, this story ends with a shadow figure. But anyways, OK. 51 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Became very good friends with the family. Was over there all the time. 52 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:43,000 And the second time we were we were watching Doctor Who. 53 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:51,000 And I had never heard of Doctor Who and they're like, they're going to love it. 54 00:07:51,000 --> 00:08:00,000 I grew up on. Yeah. So we're watching, you know, and they had two dogs, Daisy and Bandit. 55 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,000 And they ran. I mean, they were sleeping right at the floor by my feet. 56 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:14,000 And the next thing I know, they're running towards the basement door, yelping and scratching and carrying on like there's an animal or something there. 57 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Wow. So scared to live in daylight. 58 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 I mean, can you think about it? You're sitting there. Everything's quiet. 59 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:28,000 And also the dogs get up, start carrying on. Startled startled me to death. Yeah. 60 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,000 So I get up off the couch to go see what's the matter. 61 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000 And as I'm walking towards them, I see them back up from the door. 62 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Their eyes were really wide with their ears are down, tail between their legs. 63 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:48,000 And they ran past me and hid underneath the couch. 64 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 So they run by, you know, I'm watching them. 65 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,000 As what in the world's going on here? 66 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And then I looked over at the rest of the family and they're looking at each other like, should we tell them? 67 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Yeah. And sure enough, you know, after it was all over and everything like that, 68 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I sat down. I must have had this really dumbfounded look on my face because the father came over to me. 69 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:29,000 And he says, pretty intense, huh? Yeah. What in the world was that? 70 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:36,000 He goes, please don't think we're crazy, but the house is haunted. 71 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:43,000 And my reaction to that was get out of town. You know, no way. 72 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:49,000 I'm a science. I grew up a science guy. Yeah. Right. All right. 73 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:56,000 I still am. But I was like, no, that wasn't even on my radar. 74 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:06,000 You know? Yeah. Well, anyways, he he went on and on and on about stories that had happened ever since they moved in. 75 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Yeah. And they did research on the property. 76 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:18,000 And there was a woman who lived there who hung herself in the walk in closet. 77 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Oh, wow. Yeah. So now he had my attention. 78 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Something about it just grabbed me right there. You know? And but I wasn't buying it. 79 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:38,000 I was still very skeptical. So he goes, well, I'll tell you what, if you want, you can go ahead and spend a night in the basement. 80 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000 And at that point, I think, OK, they're playing a real big joke on me. 81 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:52,000 I says, all right, guys, you got me. Come clean now. You know, he goes, no, no, no, no. We'll spend it down there with you. 82 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,000 So I says, all right, you got yourself a deal. 83 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Yeah. So it was like the next weekend or something. 84 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 And I'm a very heavy sleeper, very heavy. 85 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:13,000 And I not only woke up, but I was wide awake instantly. I looked over. 86 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,000 They're all present in the counter for their sleep. 87 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,000 And then I looked over towards the stairwell. That's why I saw the shadow figure. 88 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Wow. Maybe two seconds. It bolted up the stairwell. 89 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,000 You never see a big guy like me get up off the floor so quick. 90 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Look up around the stairwell. Nothing there. 91 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:41,000 You know, all it took all of that to convince me. 92 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Yeah, there's something to it. But you want to know what? 93 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:50,000 And I said, but you know what, though, is that I don't care how long you've been in this field. 94 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,000 When you see something like that, you're going to get freaked out. I don't care who you are. 95 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,000 You know what I mean? Like that is some scary stuff when you see a shadow person because you can't explain it. 96 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,000 You know, it's something you can't explain. 97 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Yeah, we don't know exactly what they are or why or anything. 98 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,000 Yeah, I remember when I saw my first apparition, man, I jetted right instead of towards it. 99 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I said, Nope, not ready for this. Good night. I went right to bed. 100 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Yeah, it is. It was it was startling. And you never forget it. 101 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 You never forget it for years and years and years. 102 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,000 I'd be thinking about it and you never forget it. It just doesn't go away. 103 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Yeah. So let me ask you this, Ed. 104 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,000 You started your paranormal team earlier in 2008. 105 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:54,000 So when you saw this in in in 1980s, do you think activity was more active in the 80s? 106 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,000 In 90s than it than it is right now? 107 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:06,000 I well, no, I wouldn't say it's more or less. 108 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Okay, I would say, you know, it would be pretty consistent. 109 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:18,000 The fact is a lot of people have to understand that this stuff doesn't happen. 110 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 You don't see this stuff all the time. 111 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,000 It's not as commonplace as a lot of people would make you think. 112 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Yeah. You know, I mean, I've been studying this or investigating this like I said since the 1980s. 113 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:49,000 But how do you know it's been consistent? You know what I'm saying? 114 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Well, that's what I'm talking about because it's like the equipment they used as far as the tape recorders, 115 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 which had bigger, bigger magnets in them and stuff. 116 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:08,000 And there's more EMF like that's the type of stuff that I think about nowadays is is is in that quantum kind of realm. 117 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:14,000 You know, is is there more electromagnetic field now that that draws them in, you know, 118 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:20,000 because of all the cell phones and Wi-Fi or was it back then because it was older equipment 119 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:26,000 and we had bigger speakers and that's the type of stuff I think about when I'm sitting on the couch. 120 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,000 You know, yeah. Well, like I say, it could be. 121 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:38,000 But from my perspective, no, I think it's pretty, you know, pretty consistent. 122 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,000 You know what? I agree with what you're saying. 123 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:48,000 And the reason why is because nowadays the only reason why we're seeing so much activity is because nowadays everyone has a camera. 124 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Everyone is into now the paranormal all of a sudden. 125 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 We're back in the 80s. Nobody was into it like it is now. 126 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,000 I mean, you may be out of, you know, so I totally get what you're saying. 127 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Now we're just seeing more of it because people are actually getting more into the field. 128 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,000 So you're technically right. It probably has been consistent completely. 129 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:11,000 But it's just a matter of now so many people are into it that we're seeing more and more evidence of it. 130 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Right. I agree. Yeah. 131 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,000 More more eyes on scene, more more unexplained things to answer questions to. 132 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,000 But and you know, there's those jerks that are out there that they just want to get famous, you know. 133 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:34,000 And so they'll fake the crap and it just makes a stain for the people that really want to investigate it. 134 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Yeah, we've been talked to at least a couple of times about having our own show. 135 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:48,000 And the deal killer was the only way I would do it is if I decide what's evidence. 136 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Yeah, I don't want to think, oh, because of ratings, you've got to see these dust particles or arms. 137 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Yeah. No, I want to decide because I don't want anything doing anything to destroy our reputation. 138 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Exactly, exactly. And that's one of the biggest main things is the reputation of this field. 139 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:14,000 And that's why when people get into the faking situation, the minute you get caught doing something like that, your reputation is out the window. 140 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,000 You're done. You're done. You're done. 141 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,000 And you know, it's not right that people even do it. 142 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 But one thing I want to get on is I want to get more towards Windy City Paranormal. 143 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,000 I want to check out this video evidence for all our viewers right now. 144 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,000 So explain the video before we bring it up real quick, a little bit about it if you want to. 145 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:38,000 OK, it was my actually my first investigation that I handled from the ground up. 146 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:51,000 I knew the client. They came to me. I did the pre-investigation, hit a pillow, forms, all that stuff, assembled the team and then scheduled the actual investigation. 147 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:57,000 So we went out there first night. We didn't get nothing. There was nothing going on. 148 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:11,000 No. Yeah. But I in the notes that I take during the pre-investigation, it was mostly affecting the females of the family. 149 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:19,000 And so I didn't have any females on the group that night, that first night we went in. 150 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Yeah. So the second night and a female member of the group be involved. 151 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,000 And then that's when we got this video that night was the second night we went in. 152 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,000 All right. And see, that's consistent with me, dude. 153 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Every every investigation that I did at a person's house, the second night was always the most active, you know, and it just didn't make sense to me. 154 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:54,000 I think that first night they're kind of getting your intentions and stuff. If you're there in good intent, then they're going to they're going to give you a fabulous second night. 155 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. 156 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,000 You ready to watch this? Yeah, let's watch. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right, guys. 157 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Just to let you know, turn up your volume. If you got headphones, put them in in case there's any evidence. 158 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:14,000 It's only about three minutes long. So hang in there and check it out. Okay, here we go. 159 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,000 Is it playing, John? 160 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Yeah, I don't hear anything. Yeah, I don't hear anything. 161 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Hey, John, we can't hear the volume of your screen. 162 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:10,000 John, this is what happens when connections problems come around. 163 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Yeah. 164 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Anyway, what I'm gonna have him do, I'm gonna have him listen, don't worry about it. Listen, this is what we're going to do. I'm going to have. Did you have your volume on? 165 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Yes, there's no sound. It's not muted. I can't even get it on. There it is. Hold on. All right. Ready? 166 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Go try it again. 167 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Now there's the female right there. It's the second one. She's entering your room and the camera follows her. 168 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Now, what was interesting about this film? First of all, everyone there in that picture is well over arms length away from the camera so they didn't edit all the cords and everything or tape. 169 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Yeah. 170 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Okay, let me go back. Let me see if we can. 171 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Oh, I can see it moving. And so it's on a tripod right there. 172 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Yes, locked on a try. 173 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Okay, so watch this guys, you'll see the camera shift. 174 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:43,000 So she enters the room. 175 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Wow. 176 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:55,000 That's pretty wild. 177 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:01,000 Yeah, so now what's interesting about that is, I can say it follows the female. 178 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,000 And there was no way we could do that. 179 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 What's that? 180 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Yeah, john listen you can't. I didn't miss. 181 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000 You can't hear us though when that's playing so just hold on one sec let him talk are you saying, go ahead, say what you're saying. 182 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Okay, yeah. 183 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:32,000 That's when we started having, you know, that's the only physical video evidence we have of anything going on in that night. 184 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:40,000 But that's when the whole investigation became more active. When she became involved. 185 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Yeah, yeah, so it was, it was playful there wasn't anything malevolent or anything like that. 186 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:55,000 And there was a small boy I guess that had died next door to that residence. 187 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:04,000 And that's what we thought it was, you know, that was what was causing the activity was the spirit of a small boy. 188 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 Wow. 189 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000 That's crazy. You would never thought that neither you know. 190 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Yeah. 191 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:16,000 That's wild. Hey john, since we can't hear the sound on our end when you play it. 192 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Let's switch real quick to the pictures. 193 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Oh yeah. 194 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,000 Let me get rid of this here. 195 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Yeah. 196 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Take it off screen so you can get it ready. 197 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Anyway, I wanted to ask you so for these pictures that are coming out are these for the same investigation or these something different. 198 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,000 All different investigations. 199 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Okay, so we're going to bring up the first video right now I'm going to put on the screen. 200 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:52,000 This is the first picture I mean, tell us about the first picture here. Okay, yes, that is South Elgin, Illinois. 201 00:22:52,000 --> 00:23:03,000 And the anomaly is in the lower left hand corner of that window above the sink. 202 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000 So right here. 203 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Yeah, there you go. Zoom in on it. 204 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000 In on it. 205 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000 Yeah. 206 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:17,000 Hopefully we'll be able to see it. 207 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,000 Zoom in a little bit more you'll see it even more. 208 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000 There you go again. 209 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 It means a. 210 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Yep. 211 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000 We have not been able to debunk this picture yet. 212 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:40,000 Now this is obviously taken with a full spectrum camera. That's the reason why it's purple. So tell me what were you sensing in this house. 213 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:50,000 I well I didn't take the picture I was leading the investigation at this time this picture was taken. I was actually monitoring our infrared cameras. 214 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Okay, but he said, I got something immediately showed me this picture on his digital screen on his camera. Yeah. 215 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:08,000 So I immediately went into the kitchen to look at the window to see if you know with something on the window like matrix thing. Yeah. 216 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:14,000 You know, the oil from your hands you know he collects it. No, it was perfectly clean. 217 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000 Yeah. 218 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,000 And I looked outside there was no footprints in the snow. 219 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Yeah, so what is it, you know, yeah, yeah. 220 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:34,000 That's pretty defined like the eyes are evenly spaced, you know. Yeah, it's definitely an interesting capture. Yeah. 221 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Now, I got a devil's advocate with you real quick, because me personally I'm not a big believer with pictures. For some reason I've never been the picture type of person. 222 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:55,000 I do believe that obviously you caught an anomaly I don't know what it is I can't explain it. Obviously something in the full spectrum, you know, full spectrum area and the camera obviously have caught something. 223 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:01,000 So that's, this is pretty awesome to see man so thank you for sharing this go john go to the next one. 224 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Yeah, let me zoom out here. 225 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Well I know you were impressed with your picture at Old Montana State. 226 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Yeah, it was and that one I mean it's shocking like okay now I had talk a lot about this one. 227 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Okay, now we I use this. We we we've debunked this picture. 228 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000 But I use this. 229 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:33,000 How some as an example of how sometimes you can get a really interesting picture and it turns out to be nothing. 230 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Okay. Now if you look at this picture again this is full spectrum this is a different investigation. 231 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,000 It looks like a face right in the foreground of the picture. 232 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:56,000 You have the forehead, then you go down the bridges and those are the two eye sockets. Yeah, it would be a big face if that was yeah. 233 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Yeah, okay. 234 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:06,000 So, but we debunked this. This is the full spectrum equivalent to lens flash. 235 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Now one question Misty just asked if you could pull it up real quick john misty asked can you get a reflection with a full spectrum camera. 236 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 If you want to ask that question. 237 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Yes, you can. You can. And as a matter of fact, you can see in this picture an example of it. 238 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Way back by the sink. Yeah, you see that real bright spot that's where it's reflecting back. 239 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000 I see what you mean. 240 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Yeah, I see what we had. Yeah, so we had to throw it out, but I use that as an example on how you got to be real careful with this. 241 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Because if you don't. 242 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:51,000 You can throw something out there and like to say it looks interesting but it's been debunked. 243 00:26:51,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Yeah, and that's great that you shared that with us because a lot of people just show the evidence part they don't show a debunked piece of evidence and it's good that you showed that but you know what I want to play devil's advocate with you and say, if this was debunked like this okay and this was a lens flash. 244 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:17,000 According to what Misty said can you get a you know a reflection of full spectrum which obviously you can. But the question is what what what makes you feel that the first picture we saw wasn't a reflection. 245 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000 What makes you feel that way. Oh, okay. 246 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,000 When you see a reflection you see a bright spot right. Exactly. Yes. 247 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:35,000 You didn't see that in the other picture. No, you did not. But do you think the picture could be major thing at all. You think that the camera could be major thing like the picture itself. 248 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Well, like I said, if it is. 249 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:53,000 You know, you'd be able to see the source of that major thing. When I went over to the window, it was perfectly clean. I mean there wasn't, you know, there wasn't an ounce of dirt on it. 250 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000 So, what was causing that. 251 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000 Yeah, if you don't have the source of the major thing is no major thing. 252 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Oh yeah. And you know it's funny Misty just said never thought of the sink. I never use photos where there are any windows involved but now I've learned to sink and cause that as well. Interesting. 253 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:22,000 And you know, thank like I said thank you for sharing that with us. It was great to, you know, see this piece of the bunk evidence because like I said we don't get to see a lot of the bunk stuff we just see a lot of evidence so I appreciate you sharing this, and I totally 254 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:40,000 appreciate it. I mean I learned something to do it. I never thought about it but if you think about all the chrome that's in the kitchen you know with towel holders and oven handles and stuff it makes sense, and now I know, you know that that could. 255 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000 So I want to look at some of my pictures again. 256 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,000 See, you know, the chrome in the background. 257 00:28:46,000 --> 00:29:01,000 Yeah. Yep. That's why I see for me it's so hard as a because I'm, I do photography I do video and it's very hard for me to really take pictures that face value and say oh my god this is a paranormal experience or something that you caught on camera, 258 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:13,000 just because of all the, you know, things that I know that can go wrong with a picture and a camera and all that type of stuff being a photographer. But I mean I tell you what to see the two differences though it's awesome because a lot of people would have thought this was 259 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000 something running in front of your camera. 260 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:25,000 That's what I thought my first, what I thought when I saw it too. Yeah. But we, you know, 261 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000 we don't want to sit there and throw out anything as evidence. 262 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:41,000 And then we know once we throw it out there that's it we don't look at it we don't keep trying to, you know, you know, use critical thinking and everything gets it. Most people when they throw stuff out there. 263 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,000 That's it. Yeah. 264 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,000 To debunk it or whatever. No, we keep trying to debunk it. 265 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Yeah, I was looking at other pictures that we took on this investigation. 266 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:03,000 And I noticed it happening on the other pictures too. It's just a certain note. You want me to go to the other ones. 267 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:12,000 No, no, if you want to switch to that yeah we can talk about that. That's fine. Okay. 268 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000 That's it. Yeah. Okay. Now this is an interesting picture. 269 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000 This is the latest one we took this was about a year ago. 270 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 And this was on my patrol route. 271 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:36,000 I do security for a living. And we have a mobile patrol we go from building to building to check things out. This picture was taken on that route. 272 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:42,000 This picture was taken in the Fulton Market area of Chicago. 273 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:49,000 You know, have a group in a group of buildings that no longer exists they tore them down. 274 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000 But as you can see in the back hallway there. 275 00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:00,000 You can see there's a wall or a door. There's a solid thing behind that white thing. 276 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Yeah, and you can see that. 277 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Yeah. Shadow figures standing at the back of that hallway. 278 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Yeah, that's crazy. That's a wild. 279 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Okay, now go to the black now this is a, this is the same picture that I turned into a negative. Yep. 280 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:32,000 In order to establish that this thing has mass. 281 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000 Wow. Yeah. 282 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:41,000 Now, if it didn't have mass, if there wasn't anything there. You wouldn't see that it would disappear. 283 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:54,000 Yeah, yeah, because you can see on this wall that the shadow on the shadow of your flashlight is a different color than this, this deeper black. 284 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Correct. 285 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000 That's interesting. 286 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Yeah, that's all crazy catch. 287 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Yeah, and a lot of this you got to just be at the right place at the right time. 288 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Because it doesn't happen on command, you know, no. 289 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Yeah, it just happens whenever the conditions are right. Yeah. So, yeah, so that's the latest picture we got. 290 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Wow. Yeah, I trust my gut man if something's telling me hey, let's do an EVP session right now and then surprisingly enough that's when I get an EVP or, you know, the same with my Polaroid camera I use a Polaroid. 291 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Yeah, I'll get some crazy stuff too. 292 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000 Right now see go on. 293 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Hold on one sec go back to the one that's a regular photo john of it. Yeah. 294 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000 And then zoom in for me. 295 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Okay. 296 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000 See now just in this picture alone like that right there. 297 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:10,000 I see a leg. Yes, I would say that yeah that I see a leg there definitely 100% but now my question is the flashlight and the brightest spot of the flashlight is hitting that what is that in that room there is that an open door what is that door because 298 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,000 it's an open, it's an open door with a walkway that goes back. 299 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Okay, now do you think that it could be shining through and making it into that hallway make it look like that mass do you think. 300 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:35,000 No, because that's that's stone that's not really reflective. Okay, okay, okay. See I didn't know it was like concrete like concrete wall. 301 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Yeah, bricks. Okay, bricks. Yeah. Okay, makes sense now. 302 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,000 Now go to the negative john for me. 303 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:55,000 That makes a lot of sense now. So now I understand what you're talking about see now that's really weird because that's not the size of what a doorway would be to be honest, I mean that's a little hole, like compared to what the rest of it is. 304 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:08,000 So you're right that black mass has to be something I mean I'm not saying it's paranormal obviously I mean, I can't see that because my I don't I wasn't there but obviously you were there you witnessed it and how you felt and witnessed. 305 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:21,000 You know what I mean too so right it's just something that you know like you say you snapping pictures, you know at random and you catch something. Yeah. 306 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Yeah, I mean it's sometimes it's just as happenstance is that boom. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow, I caught something. 307 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000 That's a great. 308 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:38,000 I've been doing that I've been looking into the paranormal since like I say 1981. 309 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,000 That that's a long time. That's over 40 years. Yeah. 310 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Okay. 311 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,000 And we've got what free solid pieces of evidence. 312 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000 So three pieces of evidence in 40 years. 313 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000 The paranormal is rare. 314 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,000 Yeah, doesn't. Yeah, it's rare. 315 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,000 So there's lots of things that happen that people think are paranormal. 316 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:22,000 And it's not. So, yeah, you know it's weird. It's weird how it is that spread out and how rare it truly is especially like like cases like you would hear about like them, you know, Indiana case where sack bag is in the haunted you know that hell house. 317 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:37,000 And you know that case with the, I forget the name of the people that live there but that whole thing that happened I mean you don't hear anything like that ever. It's very random to hear stuff like that and you know what for you to admit that over 40 years you've gotten only 318 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:52,000 five hundred thousand pieces of evidence, you know, is a test to your respectability of this field because you could come out and say I've gotten 500,000 pieces of evidence in 40 years but instead you just came out and said no listen out of 40 plus years. 319 00:35:52,000 --> 00:36:03,000 I got three pieces of evidence that I can say that I know is paranormal that is a paranormal experience that I had. And I think that that's awesome, because that shows your respectability. 320 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:17,000 Yeah, because that's really really when you get down to it. All you have is your reputation. Yeah, I don't want to do anything that would harm the reputation of the group that's been built up for so long. 321 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:24,000 You know, yeah, I don't want it to come. You know, a house of cards. Yeah. 322 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:35,000 I'm trying to start stuff you see that. 323 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:46,000 Anyway, so what's your what's your opinion on these TV shows that are out now especially like Ghost Adventures and all this stuff what what's your opinion on it being in this for 40 something years. 324 00:36:46,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Well, you know, each one I like each one. Yeah, for different reasons though. Okay. There are paranormal shows that actually try to show you the paranormal. 325 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:06,000 There are other paranormal shows that just there for entertainment. Yeah. 326 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:19,000 And they focus more on the entertainment part of it than the paranormal part of it. I like them all. That's good. I mean, I'm a fan too. I'm a fan too. I mean, don't get me wrong. I love a great ghost story. 327 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:30,000 I love a great investigation and watching someone investigate. I've watched I've loved watching Ghost Avengers for over 20 years now. It's been awesome to see 20 something seasons with them coming up to 30. 328 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:52,000 It's going to be a great thing to watch and see for a team that started off the way they did. But there's a lot of great shows like you said and I do agree with that and you know but like you said, there's a lot that's entertainment out there now and you know that's the one thing that sucks for us in the field, because it's not all fun and games and we don't always get evidence like you just showed, you know what I mean. 329 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Yeah, you brought up an interesting point earlier. You know, you know, I've seen lots of people who shall be nameless say I've been on thousands and thousands and thousands of cases. 330 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:26,000 That what do you like 900 years old, because it takes a long time to do a case, you know, you've got the interviews prior to doing the investigation. Then you got all the evidence review and everything like that. 331 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:46,000 And then, if you have, let's say a five hour investigation you got five hours of real time audio and video to go through. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, to do it to do one investigation is at least minimum one week of evidence review. 332 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Yeah, if you do it right. Yeah. 333 00:38:48,000 --> 00:39:00,000 If you do it right. So, people, you know, they say I've been on thousands and thousands of investigations was like come on man give me a break. 334 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:08,000 There's no way you just, you're not old enough to be doing thousands of investigation, if you did it properly. 335 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:20,000 So at what, what is your go to tool that you, you like to use obviously the cameras one that you like to use what other equipment is your face. 336 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,000 Oh, I like. 337 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000 I like I like the digital audio recorders. 338 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Yeah, because. Yeah, I mean, really in terms to, you know, evidence if you look at frequency of evidence obtained audio is going to be at the top of the list. 339 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:49,000 You get more EVPs than you do pictures or videos or any type of video evidence. 340 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:54,000 And now, I was going to ask you why do you think that is. 341 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,000 That's a question and I don't have an answer. 342 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:06,000 That's one of the things that we're trying to answer you know I mean 900 ago we didn't know what Thomas work. 343 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:22,000 People got got in there and try to, you know, investigate find out what these things are now we don't have a better understanding today than we did back then. It's the same thing with this we just don't know yet. 344 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:37,000 Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, it's funny because me and john we do a lot of spirit communication work and we do a lot of it at our own home. And in our own home we do it and we connect with a lot of spirits that like johnnie connects with cold case victims, and 345 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:52,000 has been able to help families out with it, using spirit boxes and stuff like that and it's weird because we have more communication like that and audio wise than we do visual wise which is so crazy how you just brought up that point. 346 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,000 And it's just like it doesn't make any sense it truly doesn't but maybe it's easier for them. And who knows. Yeah. 347 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:10,000 I mean, because what are we dealing with when we're dealing with, you know, let's say a manifestation or something that we think is in, you know, a spirit or a ghost or anything. We're dealing with. 348 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 Yes. 349 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 That's all. 350 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000 So, 351 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:25,000 you know, I mean, energy appears energy disappears, whatever. 352 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,000 That's what's going on here you know you. 353 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:35,000 What that's one thing that we're leaning towards right now because you know what is the ghost. 354 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,000 You know that's that's a valid question. Yeah. 355 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:49,000 What is the ghost, what can it be, you know, so you start theorizing and testing that it's energy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 356 00:41:49,000 --> 00:42:04,000 That's what we're leaning towards. It's not something else. It's just energy. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're totally right. And that's I've been saying this for a long time like it's 100% that and I've gotten it through spirit boxes, 1000 times they have to say said it. 357 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:25,000 And, you know, it's it's crazy because we really don't think about each cell that we have in our body gives off zero or point 007 of a volt. Each cell gives off that we have how many trillions of cells, so we're like a walking nuclear power plant when we die that energy just doesn't just dissipate that energy 358 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:39,000 somewhere because as we know through science, energy can't be created nor destroyed or whatever how they ever they say you can't be destroyed or whatever. And it's like, you know, it tells you straight off that like we have to go somewhere this inside of us this energy has to go somewhere but 359 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:45,000 where it goes Do we know no we don't, you know, so we're we're trying to find out. 360 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:56,000 Exactly. It's it's it's gonna take, depending on how much the technology progresses and grows. 361 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,000 Who knows maybe we can get a major answer in my lifetime. 362 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:10,000 Certainly, five time or my kids kids by then was the technology increases. Yeah, get more answer. 363 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:16,000 What does the future hold for Wendy Cindy Windy City paranormal. 364 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000 Okay, well, right now. 365 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000 We're streamlining all our processes. 366 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000 In terms of how we conducted investigation. 367 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,000 We used to look around this big eight camera DVR system. 368 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:42,000 Yeah, that's a lot of work. Yeah, just the wires alone way of time, you know, yeah, yeah. 369 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:58,000 And I'm, I'm trying to streamline it to like a body cam situation like the police men you were, you know, with the body cams. Yeah, that way you have video and audio on the same file. 370 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000 One unit. 371 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000 That's it. 372 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,000 Yeah, no, my buddy of mine. He does want least world. 373 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:17,000 That's what he wears on investigations. He's just got it right there. He's got a lot of amazing captures just off of that body cam. I think he said he spent like 150 200 bucks on it. 374 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:28,000 So, yeah, yeah, yeah, like 150 to 200 like you said. Yeah, and we want it my at my office that we use on patrol. 375 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:33,000 And now it's just sitting in the desk and I'm going to talk to my boss see if he'll let me buy it. 376 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:47,000 But they have infrared capability. Okay. And I was going to look into whether they can be customized for full spectrum. 377 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,000 There you go. 378 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,000 Nice Chris. 379 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000 That would be cool. You could get a full spectrum body cam. 380 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Yeah, cool. Yeah. 381 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:16,000 I'm sure you can manipulate it to and turn it into full spectrum just like you can with the digital cameras, you know, right. Right. Exactly. So, I go to people a little bit more learned in that than I am. 382 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:25,000 Right. Right. Right now I have a hat that has a grow GoPro mount. I use I'll mount the GoPro on my hat. 383 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:34,000 Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, use a little creativity on how you're going to carry these capture devices. 384 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:40,000 And who knows man, you know, a lot of good things happen when you do that. Yeah. 385 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:53,000 Absolutely. Absolutely. So I know you said that COVID has kind of messed up a lot of things for you guys, you know, going out it's been a couple years now and you know it's been stupid how this whole thing has stopped everything. 386 00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:03,000 It does suck. But tell me, do you have any plans in the near future of getting back out there and starting up again like what's the time frame, what are we looking at. 387 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:19,000 I certainly within the next year. Nice. I want to try and start being, you know, more and more active I mean, at our height before COVID hit man we were, we literally were doing two investigations a month at least. 388 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000 Wow. 389 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,000 And our bread and butter has always been the home residents. Yeah, yeah. 390 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:42,000 You know, and like I say, we had a paranormal societies on Twitter, you know, that used to give us a lot of our cases because people would say yeah, I need somebody to come in and do one. 391 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:49,000 And then they would feed us our lead, and I would kind of, yeah, so that's down. 392 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:55,000 And then they would feed us Okay, what can we do if we know somebody who happens to mentioned it. 393 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:05,000 That could start it, you know, you know, but without, you know, that's why it was the next year I want to get the website back up. So people can contact us directly. 394 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:24,000 Or, you know, hopefully paranormal societies will get back up and running too but they haven't been. They have not made an announcement or anything like that. On any cases, since July of 2020 2021. 395 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,000 Okay. 396 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,000 That's right about the start of coven. Yeah, yeah. 397 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:43,000 I was messed up a lot of things well I'm glad you guys should be getting back out there. You know, even myself I want to get back out there too and start doing a lot more things in the field but it's so hard because trying to run a podcast and try to work and try to do 398 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:55,000 everything it becomes a lot so you know having this as a, you know, part time thing for me now again is nice to be able to go out and not have to deal with, you know, all this coven stuff you know. 399 00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:05,000 Right. Well, not that most people have been stuck in their houses for a year and a half. Yeah. So that forces them to figure it out. 400 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:13,000 And it's like oh that's nothing I need to be worried about, you know, overactive imagination, whatever. Yeah, definitely. 401 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:19,000 85% of everything we've investigated turns out to be something like that. 402 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,000 And what you thought you saw. This is actually what it was. 403 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,000 You know, yeah. 404 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,000 But it's that 15%. That's what we live for. 405 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000 That is right. 406 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:44,000 That is right. You're absolutely right my friend well Ed, I want to say man thank you so much for coming on today and sharing what you did, honestly it's been an it's been a blessing and it's been just an awesome time. 407 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,000 I truly truly appreciate your time today man. 408 00:48:47,000 --> 00:49:11,000 I can't I can't thank you enough you open my eyes to a whole nother part of the investigation as far as taking pictures. Yeah, and I can't thank you enough for that. That's stuff I never thought about you know the chrome or whatever can be on the handle of your oven or the sink like like you were saying, you know, just that reflection can make the world a difference. 409 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:18,000 So thank you for pointing that out and I'm going to use that going forward. Hope you don't mind. 410 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:25,000 Oh, absolutely not. That's, I mean, how, how are we supposed to grow if we don't share information. 411 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000 Amen. 412 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:42,000 So, you know, I mean, I know a lot of people keep this stuff secret, you know, that's fine, because other people are going to find that out to and share it. Yeah, well, from it. 413 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:58,000 Absolutely, absolutely. And that's what this is all about. And especially for this podcast. That's what we're all about. We're all about bringing people on getting people together sharing evidence sharing different ideas theories, because it can only further our evidence and our our investigations down the line. 414 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:11,000 So, you know, we appreciate your time that and thank you for coming on, and hopefully you can come on again sometime soon with the team. And more anytime anytime. Awesome. Well, right before you go, please tell everyone where they can check you guys out. 415 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:35,000 Right now we have our email system up. It's windycity.paranormal.yahoo.com. Awesome. So if we ever have somebody that needs help in the Chicago area or Illinois, we're going to send them to you. 416 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:52,000 That's it. Absolutely. 100%. Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate you everyone. Check out Windy City Paranormal on all social medias on Facebook, Twitter on YouTube. Check them out. And, Ed, until next time, man. Thank you so much for coming on. 417 00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:01,000 Thank you guys for having me. Absolutely. Thank you. Take care of my friend. 418 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:19,000 Yeah, man. That was absolutely awesome. So, you know, he opened up a lot of a lot of questions. I mean, he opened up a lot of questions for you. I know for for myself. I mean, like I said, I'm still huge skeptical on pictures. That's just me. Thank you, Chris. Appreciate you, man. 419 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:48,000 Um, but you know, like I said, I'm open to it and I'm open to doing more pictures because obviously I did catch that thing in Montana and it did intrigue me a lot and everything that we see on here. I still can't explain that one, man. I wish I had it pulled up. It's in my hard drive, but it it's amazing. It was in the middle of the day, like right when the museum opened AJ and I were walking the grounds to kind of scope the area out and meet the lady and give her the check for the information. 420 00:51:48,000 --> 00:52:12,000 I was like, I'm going to check for the investigation that night and it was like, it was like right at 11 noon ish in this room is sealed. Like the doors are locked. There's nothing in there in this mist looks like a lady and a nurse's gown from the time that the hospital was there. It's amazing picture. I'll have to bring it up for next episode. 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