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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here with Talking with the Source. I'm here with my great friend and co-host.
Jonathan Keyword, JK47 Paranormal baby.
Watch out, watch out. Wanna give a shout out real quick to your podcast man, Targeting with JK47. You wanna check it out. He's doing cold cases where he's connecting with the spirits of these cold cases, these victims.
And he's doing amazing work. I mean the connection that he has is absolutely awesome. I'm proud of you man and keep up the good work.
We would have done it without you brother. You're my source. That's why we're Talking with the Source.
Real quick, I wanna shout out a great business in the Connecticut area. It's one of my great friend's sons. His name is Michael. It's 203 Detailing. Just wanna put it up on the screen real quick.
His number is 203-707-7077. He does detailing and paint correction for cars as you can see some of the pictures of some of the before and after that he's done. He does great work. He's a young kid. He's got a lot on his plate. I'm so proud of this kid.
The way that he grew up and his life and just the man he's becoming. I'm just super proud of him. So please shout out 203 Detailing if you're in the area. 707-7077-203 is the area code.
But anyway, we have an awesome guest. Dez, I wanna say thank you so much for being on. Thank you. And for everyone else that's watching. We have an amazing guest. His name is Edward Keelhack.
He is from Windy City Paranormal. I'm gonna bring him forth right now. Ed, how you doing? Hey. So tell us Ed, you just told me in the back. How is the weather out there brother? It's cold and rainy.
I figured. Same way. We got some sun today but it's been cold and rainy here too man in Connecticut. It's hot as hell here man. We're closest to the sun. Hey Chris.
So Ed, real quick I wanna ask you. What got you into the paranormal? It's normally the first question that I'll ask everybody is what got you into the paranormal and what got you guys started into Windy City?
Well, I started having a paranormal situation back in 1981.
And prior to that, you know, I always, I mean, when I was a young boy.
Somebody be telling a ghost story and stuff like that. Who doesn't like a good ghost story, but you know, right.
You think in the back of your head, is there any truth to any of this stuff? Yeah. And in 1981 I got my answer. Not just once, but like four times.
Yeah, so then that started years and years of just looking to see if anybody else had similar situations and whatnot.
And then I saw Ghost Hunters on cable TV.
And that was it.
You know, I joined a good old Jason Hawes.
Yep.
And joined a group in DuPage County.
And then that folded. And from that we started Windy City Paranormal back in 2008.
That is awesome. That is awesome. So Tony, explain a little bit about the, you know, 1981 and the things that you, you know.
I'll give you the short version of this story. Okay.
Met a girl at a party. Her boyfriend just dropped her off at this party, went off somewhere else.
She didn't know where she was. I made sure she got home.
And we exchanged numbers that night, you know, I figured she's not even going to remember me.
Well, to make a long story short, went over there the next day because she called.
And wasn't in the house more than 10 minutes. It was just something's not right here.
And it was just getting more and more progressively active.
Yeah, aggressive, you know, like I'm being watched. You know, it was really weird.
And I brushed it off to being nervous or something like that. Yeah, of course.
So months later became very, very good friends with the family and everything. Well, anyways.
So in talking to her, she said she had a younger brother and I didn't know how much younger, but that he was younger, you know.
So I'm thinking, well, maybe he's hiding somewhere. And that's what I'm feeling, you know.
Well, it was only one place to hide in this room. It was a big walk in closet.
I opened up the door and it felt like the temperature went down like 20 degrees as soon as I did that.
And you ever be in a dark room? I mean, so dark you can't even see your hand in front of your face.
Yeah, we call it Africa dark. It's in Africa and it's nighttime. It is pitch dark.
But if somebody's standing right in front of you, you can kind of sense that they're there.
That's what I was. That was that's what I was feeling as soon as I opened the door.
You can see straight straight through to the back of the closet. Wow. See, that's not.
Now, have you had an experience like what I was going to say, which I thought you were going to say was,
have you ever been in a dark room and seen a darker shadow in the room where you can't see your hand in front of your face?
Have you ever seen that before, too? No, I've never seen that. That's freaky to see a shadow person like that.
That's real freaky. So if you ever see that, definitely let me know.
Yeah. Well, this story ends with a shadow figure. But anyways, OK.
Became very good friends with the family. Was over there all the time.
And the second time we were we were watching Doctor Who.
And I had never heard of Doctor Who and they're like, they're going to love it.
I grew up on. Yeah. So we're watching, you know, and they had two dogs, Daisy and Bandit.
And they ran. I mean, they were sleeping right at the floor by my feet.
And the next thing I know, they're running towards the basement door, yelping and scratching and carrying on like there's an animal or something there.
Wow. So scared to live in daylight.
I mean, can you think about it? You're sitting there. Everything's quiet.
And also the dogs get up, start carrying on. Startled startled me to death. Yeah.
So I get up off the couch to go see what's the matter.
And as I'm walking towards them, I see them back up from the door.
Their eyes were really wide with their ears are down, tail between their legs.
And they ran past me and hid underneath the couch.
So they run by, you know, I'm watching them.
As what in the world's going on here?
And then I looked over at the rest of the family and they're looking at each other like, should we tell them?
Yeah. And sure enough, you know, after it was all over and everything like that,
I sat down. I must have had this really dumbfounded look on my face because the father came over to me.
And he says, pretty intense, huh? Yeah. What in the world was that?
He goes, please don't think we're crazy, but the house is haunted.
And my reaction to that was get out of town. You know, no way.
I'm a science. I grew up a science guy. Yeah. Right. All right.
I still am. But I was like, no, that wasn't even on my radar.
You know? Yeah. Well, anyways, he he went on and on and on about stories that had happened ever since they moved in.
Yeah. And they did research on the property.
And there was a woman who lived there who hung herself in the walk in closet.
Oh, wow. Yeah. So now he had my attention.
Something about it just grabbed me right there. You know? And but I wasn't buying it.
I was still very skeptical. So he goes, well, I'll tell you what, if you want, you can go ahead and spend a night in the basement.
And at that point, I think, OK, they're playing a real big joke on me.
I says, all right, guys, you got me. Come clean now. You know, he goes, no, no, no, no. We'll spend it down there with you.
So I says, all right, you got yourself a deal.
Yeah. So it was like the next weekend or something.
And I'm a very heavy sleeper, very heavy.
And I not only woke up, but I was wide awake instantly. I looked over.
They're all present in the counter for their sleep.
And then I looked over towards the stairwell. That's why I saw the shadow figure.
Wow. Maybe two seconds. It bolted up the stairwell.
You never see a big guy like me get up off the floor so quick.
Look up around the stairwell. Nothing there.
You know, all it took all of that to convince me.
Yeah, there's something to it. But you want to know what?
And I said, but you know what, though, is that I don't care how long you've been in this field.
When you see something like that, you're going to get freaked out. I don't care who you are.
You know what I mean? Like that is some scary stuff when you see a shadow person because you can't explain it.
You know, it's something you can't explain.
Yeah, we don't know exactly what they are or why or anything.
Yeah, I remember when I saw my first apparition, man, I jetted right instead of towards it.
I said, Nope, not ready for this. Good night. I went right to bed.
Yeah, it is. It was it was startling. And you never forget it.
You never forget it for years and years and years.
I'd be thinking about it and you never forget it. It just doesn't go away.
Yeah. So let me ask you this, Ed.
You started your paranormal team earlier in 2008.
So when you saw this in in in 1980s, do you think activity was more active in the 80s?
In 90s than it than it is right now?
I well, no, I wouldn't say it's more or less.
Okay, I would say, you know, it would be pretty consistent.
The fact is a lot of people have to understand that this stuff doesn't happen.
You don't see this stuff all the time.
It's not as commonplace as a lot of people would make you think.
Yeah. You know, I mean, I've been studying this or investigating this like I said since the 1980s.
But how do you know it's been consistent? You know what I'm saying?
Well, that's what I'm talking about because it's like the equipment they used as far as the tape recorders,
which had bigger, bigger magnets in them and stuff.
And there's more EMF like that's the type of stuff that I think about nowadays is is is in that quantum kind of realm.
You know, is is there more electromagnetic field now that that draws them in, you know,
because of all the cell phones and Wi-Fi or was it back then because it was older equipment
and we had bigger speakers and that's the type of stuff I think about when I'm sitting on the couch.
You know, yeah. Well, like I say, it could be.
But from my perspective, no, I think it's pretty, you know, pretty consistent.
You know what? I agree with what you're saying.
And the reason why is because nowadays the only reason why we're seeing so much activity is because nowadays everyone has a camera.
Everyone is into now the paranormal all of a sudden.
We're back in the 80s. Nobody was into it like it is now.
I mean, you may be out of, you know, so I totally get what you're saying.
Now we're just seeing more of it because people are actually getting more into the field.
So you're technically right. It probably has been consistent completely.
But it's just a matter of now so many people are into it that we're seeing more and more evidence of it.
Right. I agree. Yeah.
More more eyes on scene, more more unexplained things to answer questions to.
But and you know, there's those jerks that are out there that they just want to get famous, you know.
And so they'll fake the crap and it just makes a stain for the people that really want to investigate it.
Yeah, we've been talked to at least a couple of times about having our own show.
And the deal killer was the only way I would do it is if I decide what's evidence.
Yeah, I don't want to think, oh, because of ratings, you've got to see these dust particles or arms.
Yeah. No, I want to decide because I don't want anything doing anything to destroy our reputation.
Exactly, exactly. And that's one of the biggest main things is the reputation of this field.
And that's why when people get into the faking situation, the minute you get caught doing something like that, your reputation is out the window.
You're done. You're done. You're done.
And you know, it's not right that people even do it.
But one thing I want to get on is I want to get more towards Windy City Paranormal.
I want to check out this video evidence for all our viewers right now.
So explain the video before we bring it up real quick, a little bit about it if you want to.
OK, it was my actually my first investigation that I handled from the ground up.
I knew the client. They came to me. I did the pre-investigation, hit a pillow, forms, all that stuff, assembled the team and then scheduled the actual investigation.
So we went out there first night. We didn't get nothing. There was nothing going on.
No. Yeah. But I in the notes that I take during the pre-investigation, it was mostly affecting the females of the family.
And so I didn't have any females on the group that night, that first night we went in.
Yeah. So the second night and a female member of the group be involved.
And then that's when we got this video that night was the second night we went in.
All right. And see, that's consistent with me, dude.
Every every investigation that I did at a person's house, the second night was always the most active, you know, and it just didn't make sense to me.
I think that first night they're kind of getting your intentions and stuff. If you're there in good intent, then they're going to they're going to give you a fabulous second night.
Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
You ready to watch this? Yeah, let's watch. Let's do it. Let's do it. All right, guys.
Just to let you know, turn up your volume. If you got headphones, put them in in case there's any evidence.
It's only about three minutes long. So hang in there and check it out. Okay, here we go.
Is it playing, John?
Yeah, I don't hear anything. Yeah, I don't hear anything.
Hey, John, we can't hear the volume of your screen.
John, this is what happens when connections problems come around.
Yeah.
Anyway, what I'm gonna have him do, I'm gonna have him listen, don't worry about it. Listen, this is what we're going to do. I'm going to have. Did you have your volume on?
Yes, there's no sound. It's not muted. I can't even get it on. There it is. Hold on. All right. Ready?
Go try it again.
Now there's the female right there. It's the second one. She's entering your room and the camera follows her.
Now, what was interesting about this film? First of all, everyone there in that picture is well over arms length away from the camera so they didn't edit all the cords and everything or tape.
Yeah.
Okay, let me go back. Let me see if we can.
Oh, I can see it moving. And so it's on a tripod right there.
Yes, locked on a try.
Okay, so watch this guys, you'll see the camera shift.
So she enters the room.
Wow.
That's pretty wild.
Yeah, so now what's interesting about that is, I can say it follows the female.
And there was no way we could do that.
What's that?
Yeah, john listen you can't. I didn't miss.
You can't hear us though when that's playing so just hold on one sec let him talk are you saying, go ahead, say what you're saying.
Okay, yeah.
That's when we started having, you know, that's the only physical video evidence we have of anything going on in that night.
But that's when the whole investigation became more active. When she became involved.
Yeah, yeah, so it was, it was playful there wasn't anything malevolent or anything like that.
And there was a small boy I guess that had died next door to that residence.
And that's what we thought it was, you know, that was what was causing the activity was the spirit of a small boy.
Wow.
That's crazy. You would never thought that neither you know.
Yeah.
That's wild. Hey john, since we can't hear the sound on our end when you play it.
Let's switch real quick to the pictures.
Oh yeah.
Let me get rid of this here.
Yeah.
Take it off screen so you can get it ready.
Anyway, I wanted to ask you so for these pictures that are coming out are these for the same investigation or these something different.
All different investigations.
Okay, so we're going to bring up the first video right now I'm going to put on the screen.
This is the first picture I mean, tell us about the first picture here. Okay, yes, that is South Elgin, Illinois.
And the anomaly is in the lower left hand corner of that window above the sink.
So right here.
Yeah, there you go. Zoom in on it.
In on it.
Yeah.
Hopefully we'll be able to see it.
Zoom in a little bit more you'll see it even more.
There you go again.
It means a.
Yep.
We have not been able to debunk this picture yet.
Now this is obviously taken with a full spectrum camera. That's the reason why it's purple. So tell me what were you sensing in this house.
I well I didn't take the picture I was leading the investigation at this time this picture was taken. I was actually monitoring our infrared cameras.
Okay, but he said, I got something immediately showed me this picture on his digital screen on his camera. Yeah.
So I immediately went into the kitchen to look at the window to see if you know with something on the window like matrix thing. Yeah.
You know, the oil from your hands you know he collects it. No, it was perfectly clean.
Yeah.
And I looked outside there was no footprints in the snow.
Yeah, so what is it, you know, yeah, yeah.
That's pretty defined like the eyes are evenly spaced, you know. Yeah, it's definitely an interesting capture. Yeah.
Now, I got a devil's advocate with you real quick, because me personally I'm not a big believer with pictures. For some reason I've never been the picture type of person.
I do believe that obviously you caught an anomaly I don't know what it is I can't explain it. Obviously something in the full spectrum, you know, full spectrum area and the camera obviously have caught something.
So that's, this is pretty awesome to see man so thank you for sharing this go john go to the next one.
Yeah, let me zoom out here.
Well I know you were impressed with your picture at Old Montana State.
Yeah, it was and that one I mean it's shocking like okay now I had talk a lot about this one.
Okay, now we I use this. We we we've debunked this picture.
But I use this.
How some as an example of how sometimes you can get a really interesting picture and it turns out to be nothing.
Okay. Now if you look at this picture again this is full spectrum this is a different investigation.
It looks like a face right in the foreground of the picture.
You have the forehead, then you go down the bridges and those are the two eye sockets. Yeah, it would be a big face if that was yeah.
Yeah, okay.
So, but we debunked this. This is the full spectrum equivalent to lens flash.
Now one question Misty just asked if you could pull it up real quick john misty asked can you get a reflection with a full spectrum camera.
If you want to ask that question.
Yes, you can. You can. And as a matter of fact, you can see in this picture an example of it.
Way back by the sink. Yeah, you see that real bright spot that's where it's reflecting back.
I see what you mean.
Yeah, I see what we had. Yeah, so we had to throw it out, but I use that as an example on how you got to be real careful with this.
Because if you don't.
You can throw something out there and like to say it looks interesting but it's been debunked.
Yeah, and that's great that you shared that with us because a lot of people just show the evidence part they don't show a debunked piece of evidence and it's good that you showed that but you know what I want to play devil's advocate with you and say, if this was debunked like this okay and this was a lens flash.
According to what Misty said can you get a you know a reflection of full spectrum which obviously you can. But the question is what what what makes you feel that the first picture we saw wasn't a reflection.
What makes you feel that way. Oh, okay.
When you see a reflection you see a bright spot right. Exactly. Yes.
You didn't see that in the other picture. No, you did not. But do you think the picture could be major thing at all. You think that the camera could be major thing like the picture itself.
Well, like I said, if it is.
You know, you'd be able to see the source of that major thing. When I went over to the window, it was perfectly clean. I mean there wasn't, you know, there wasn't an ounce of dirt on it.
So, what was causing that.
Yeah, if you don't have the source of the major thing is no major thing.
Oh yeah. And you know it's funny Misty just said never thought of the sink. I never use photos where there are any windows involved but now I've learned to sink and cause that as well. Interesting.
And you know, thank like I said thank you for sharing that with us. It was great to, you know, see this piece of the bunk evidence because like I said we don't get to see a lot of the bunk stuff we just see a lot of evidence so I appreciate you sharing this, and I totally
appreciate it. I mean I learned something to do it. I never thought about it but if you think about all the chrome that's in the kitchen you know with towel holders and oven handles and stuff it makes sense, and now I know, you know that that could.
So I want to look at some of my pictures again.
See, you know, the chrome in the background.
Yeah. Yep. That's why I see for me it's so hard as a because I'm, I do photography I do video and it's very hard for me to really take pictures that face value and say oh my god this is a paranormal experience or something that you caught on camera,
just because of all the, you know, things that I know that can go wrong with a picture and a camera and all that type of stuff being a photographer. But I mean I tell you what to see the two differences though it's awesome because a lot of people would have thought this was
something running in front of your camera.
That's what I thought my first, what I thought when I saw it too. Yeah. But we, you know,
we don't want to sit there and throw out anything as evidence.
And then we know once we throw it out there that's it we don't look at it we don't keep trying to, you know, you know, use critical thinking and everything gets it. Most people when they throw stuff out there.
That's it. Yeah.
To debunk it or whatever. No, we keep trying to debunk it.
Yeah, I was looking at other pictures that we took on this investigation.
And I noticed it happening on the other pictures too. It's just a certain note. You want me to go to the other ones.
No, no, if you want to switch to that yeah we can talk about that. That's fine. Okay.
That's it. Yeah. Okay. Now this is an interesting picture.
This is the latest one we took this was about a year ago.
And this was on my patrol route.
I do security for a living. And we have a mobile patrol we go from building to building to check things out. This picture was taken on that route.
This picture was taken in the Fulton Market area of Chicago.
You know, have a group in a group of buildings that no longer exists they tore them down.
But as you can see in the back hallway there.
You can see there's a wall or a door. There's a solid thing behind that white thing.
Yeah, and you can see that.
Yeah. Shadow figures standing at the back of that hallway.
Yeah, that's crazy. That's a wild.
Okay, now go to the black now this is a, this is the same picture that I turned into a negative. Yep.
In order to establish that this thing has mass.
Wow. Yeah.
Now, if it didn't have mass, if there wasn't anything there. You wouldn't see that it would disappear.
Yeah, yeah, because you can see on this wall that the shadow on the shadow of your flashlight is a different color than this, this deeper black.
Correct.
That's interesting.
Yeah, that's all crazy catch.
Yeah, and a lot of this you got to just be at the right place at the right time.
Because it doesn't happen on command, you know, no.
Yeah, it just happens whenever the conditions are right. Yeah. So, yeah, so that's the latest picture we got.
Wow. Yeah, I trust my gut man if something's telling me hey, let's do an EVP session right now and then surprisingly enough that's when I get an EVP or, you know, the same with my Polaroid camera I use a Polaroid.
Yeah, I'll get some crazy stuff too.
Right now see go on.
Hold on one sec go back to the one that's a regular photo john of it. Yeah.
And then zoom in for me.
Okay.
See now just in this picture alone like that right there.
I see a leg. Yes, I would say that yeah that I see a leg there definitely 100% but now my question is the flashlight and the brightest spot of the flashlight is hitting that what is that in that room there is that an open door what is that door because
it's an open, it's an open door with a walkway that goes back.
Okay, now do you think that it could be shining through and making it into that hallway make it look like that mass do you think.
No, because that's that's stone that's not really reflective. Okay, okay, okay. See I didn't know it was like concrete like concrete wall.
Yeah, bricks. Okay, bricks. Yeah. Okay, makes sense now.
Now go to the negative john for me.
That makes a lot of sense now. So now I understand what you're talking about see now that's really weird because that's not the size of what a doorway would be to be honest, I mean that's a little hole, like compared to what the rest of it is.
So you're right that black mass has to be something I mean I'm not saying it's paranormal obviously I mean, I can't see that because my I don't I wasn't there but obviously you were there you witnessed it and how you felt and witnessed.
You know what I mean too so right it's just something that you know like you say you snapping pictures, you know at random and you catch something. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean it's sometimes it's just as happenstance is that boom. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow, I caught something.
That's a great.
I've been doing that I've been looking into the paranormal since like I say 1981.
That that's a long time. That's over 40 years. Yeah.
Okay.
And we've got what free solid pieces of evidence.
So three pieces of evidence in 40 years.
The paranormal is rare.
Yeah, doesn't. Yeah, it's rare.
So there's lots of things that happen that people think are paranormal.
And it's not. So, yeah, you know it's weird. It's weird how it is that spread out and how rare it truly is especially like like cases like you would hear about like them, you know, Indiana case where sack bag is in the haunted you know that hell house.
And you know that case with the, I forget the name of the people that live there but that whole thing that happened I mean you don't hear anything like that ever. It's very random to hear stuff like that and you know what for you to admit that over 40 years you've gotten only
five hundred thousand pieces of evidence, you know, is a test to your respectability of this field because you could come out and say I've gotten 500,000 pieces of evidence in 40 years but instead you just came out and said no listen out of 40 plus years.
I got three pieces of evidence that I can say that I know is paranormal that is a paranormal experience that I had. And I think that that's awesome, because that shows your respectability.
Yeah, because that's really really when you get down to it. All you have is your reputation. Yeah, I don't want to do anything that would harm the reputation of the group that's been built up for so long.
You know, yeah, I don't want it to come. You know, a house of cards. Yeah.
I'm trying to start stuff you see that.
Anyway, so what's your what's your opinion on these TV shows that are out now especially like Ghost Adventures and all this stuff what what's your opinion on it being in this for 40 something years.
Well, you know, each one I like each one. Yeah, for different reasons though. Okay. There are paranormal shows that actually try to show you the paranormal.
There are other paranormal shows that just there for entertainment. Yeah.
And they focus more on the entertainment part of it than the paranormal part of it. I like them all. That's good. I mean, I'm a fan too. I'm a fan too. I mean, don't get me wrong. I love a great ghost story.
I love a great investigation and watching someone investigate. I've watched I've loved watching Ghost Avengers for over 20 years now. It's been awesome to see 20 something seasons with them coming up to 30.
It's going to be a great thing to watch and see for a team that started off the way they did. But there's a lot of great shows like you said and I do agree with that and you know but like you said, there's a lot that's entertainment out there now and you know that's the one thing that sucks for us in the field, because it's not all fun and games and we don't always get evidence like you just showed, you know what I mean.
Yeah, you brought up an interesting point earlier. You know, you know, I've seen lots of people who shall be nameless say I've been on thousands and thousands and thousands of cases.
That what do you like 900 years old, because it takes a long time to do a case, you know, you've got the interviews prior to doing the investigation. Then you got all the evidence review and everything like that.
And then, if you have, let's say a five hour investigation you got five hours of real time audio and video to go through. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, to do it to do one investigation is at least minimum one week of evidence review.
Yeah, if you do it right. Yeah.
If you do it right. So, people, you know, they say I've been on thousands and thousands of investigations was like come on man give me a break.
There's no way you just, you're not old enough to be doing thousands of investigation, if you did it properly.
So at what, what is your go to tool that you, you like to use obviously the cameras one that you like to use what other equipment is your face.
Oh, I like.
I like I like the digital audio recorders.
Yeah, because. Yeah, I mean, really in terms to, you know, evidence if you look at frequency of evidence obtained audio is going to be at the top of the list.
You get more EVPs than you do pictures or videos or any type of video evidence.
And now, I was going to ask you why do you think that is.
That's a question and I don't have an answer.
That's one of the things that we're trying to answer you know I mean 900 ago we didn't know what Thomas work.
People got got in there and try to, you know, investigate find out what these things are now we don't have a better understanding today than we did back then. It's the same thing with this we just don't know yet.
Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, it's funny because me and john we do a lot of spirit communication work and we do a lot of it at our own home. And in our own home we do it and we connect with a lot of spirits that like johnnie connects with cold case victims, and
has been able to help families out with it, using spirit boxes and stuff like that and it's weird because we have more communication like that and audio wise than we do visual wise which is so crazy how you just brought up that point.
And it's just like it doesn't make any sense it truly doesn't but maybe it's easier for them. And who knows. Yeah.
I mean, because what are we dealing with when we're dealing with, you know, let's say a manifestation or something that we think is in, you know, a spirit or a ghost or anything. We're dealing with.
Yes.
That's all.
So,
you know, I mean, energy appears energy disappears, whatever.
That's what's going on here you know you.
What that's one thing that we're leaning towards right now because you know what is the ghost.
You know that's that's a valid question. Yeah.
What is the ghost, what can it be, you know, so you start theorizing and testing that it's energy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That's what we're leaning towards. It's not something else. It's just energy. Yeah. Yeah, no, you're totally right. And that's I've been saying this for a long time like it's 100% that and I've gotten it through spirit boxes, 1000 times they have to say said it.
And, you know, it's it's crazy because we really don't think about each cell that we have in our body gives off zero or point 007 of a volt. Each cell gives off that we have how many trillions of cells, so we're like a walking nuclear power plant when we die that energy just doesn't just dissipate that energy
somewhere because as we know through science, energy can't be created nor destroyed or whatever how they ever they say you can't be destroyed or whatever. And it's like, you know, it tells you straight off that like we have to go somewhere this inside of us this energy has to go somewhere but
where it goes Do we know no we don't, you know, so we're we're trying to find out.
Exactly. It's it's it's gonna take, depending on how much the technology progresses and grows.
Who knows maybe we can get a major answer in my lifetime.
Certainly, five time or my kids kids by then was the technology increases. Yeah, get more answer.
What does the future hold for Wendy Cindy Windy City paranormal.
Okay, well, right now.
We're streamlining all our processes.
In terms of how we conducted investigation.
We used to look around this big eight camera DVR system.
Yeah, that's a lot of work. Yeah, just the wires alone way of time, you know, yeah, yeah.
And I'm, I'm trying to streamline it to like a body cam situation like the police men you were, you know, with the body cams. Yeah, that way you have video and audio on the same file.
One unit.
That's it.
Yeah, no, my buddy of mine. He does want least world.
That's what he wears on investigations. He's just got it right there. He's got a lot of amazing captures just off of that body cam. I think he said he spent like 150 200 bucks on it.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, like 150 to 200 like you said. Yeah, and we want it my at my office that we use on patrol.
And now it's just sitting in the desk and I'm going to talk to my boss see if he'll let me buy it.
But they have infrared capability. Okay. And I was going to look into whether they can be customized for full spectrum.
There you go.
Nice Chris.
That would be cool. You could get a full spectrum body cam.
Yeah, cool. Yeah.
I'm sure you can manipulate it to and turn it into full spectrum just like you can with the digital cameras, you know, right. Right. Exactly. So, I go to people a little bit more learned in that than I am.
Right. Right. Right now I have a hat that has a grow GoPro mount. I use I'll mount the GoPro on my hat.
Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, use a little creativity on how you're going to carry these capture devices.
And who knows man, you know, a lot of good things happen when you do that. Yeah.
Absolutely. Absolutely. So I know you said that COVID has kind of messed up a lot of things for you guys, you know, going out it's been a couple years now and you know it's been stupid how this whole thing has stopped everything.
It does suck. But tell me, do you have any plans in the near future of getting back out there and starting up again like what's the time frame, what are we looking at.
I certainly within the next year. Nice. I want to try and start being, you know, more and more active I mean, at our height before COVID hit man we were, we literally were doing two investigations a month at least.
Wow.
And our bread and butter has always been the home residents. Yeah, yeah.
You know, and like I say, we had a paranormal societies on Twitter, you know, that used to give us a lot of our cases because people would say yeah, I need somebody to come in and do one.
And then they would feed us our lead, and I would kind of, yeah, so that's down.
And then they would feed us Okay, what can we do if we know somebody who happens to mentioned it.
That could start it, you know, you know, but without, you know, that's why it was the next year I want to get the website back up. So people can contact us directly.
Or, you know, hopefully paranormal societies will get back up and running too but they haven't been. They have not made an announcement or anything like that. On any cases, since July of 2020 2021.
Okay.
That's right about the start of coven. Yeah, yeah.
I was messed up a lot of things well I'm glad you guys should be getting back out there. You know, even myself I want to get back out there too and start doing a lot more things in the field but it's so hard because trying to run a podcast and try to work and try to do
everything it becomes a lot so you know having this as a, you know, part time thing for me now again is nice to be able to go out and not have to deal with, you know, all this coven stuff you know.
Right. Well, not that most people have been stuck in their houses for a year and a half. Yeah. So that forces them to figure it out.
And it's like oh that's nothing I need to be worried about, you know, overactive imagination, whatever. Yeah, definitely.
85% of everything we've investigated turns out to be something like that.
And what you thought you saw. This is actually what it was.
You know, yeah.
But it's that 15%. That's what we live for.
That is right.
That is right. You're absolutely right my friend well Ed, I want to say man thank you so much for coming on today and sharing what you did, honestly it's been an it's been a blessing and it's been just an awesome time.
I truly truly appreciate your time today man.
I can't I can't thank you enough you open my eyes to a whole nother part of the investigation as far as taking pictures. Yeah, and I can't thank you enough for that. That's stuff I never thought about you know the chrome or whatever can be on the handle of your oven or the sink like like you were saying, you know, just that reflection can make the world a difference.
So thank you for pointing that out and I'm going to use that going forward. Hope you don't mind.
Oh, absolutely not. That's, I mean, how, how are we supposed to grow if we don't share information.
Amen.
So, you know, I mean, I know a lot of people keep this stuff secret, you know, that's fine, because other people are going to find that out to and share it. Yeah, well, from it.
Absolutely, absolutely. And that's what this is all about. And especially for this podcast. That's what we're all about. We're all about bringing people on getting people together sharing evidence sharing different ideas theories, because it can only further our evidence and our our investigations down the line.
So, you know, we appreciate your time that and thank you for coming on, and hopefully you can come on again sometime soon with the team. And more anytime anytime. Awesome. Well, right before you go, please tell everyone where they can check you guys out.
Right now we have our email system up. It's windycity.paranormal.yahoo.com. Awesome. So if we ever have somebody that needs help in the Chicago area or Illinois, we're going to send them to you.
That's it. Absolutely. 100%. Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate you everyone. Check out Windy City Paranormal on all social medias on Facebook, Twitter on YouTube. Check them out. And, Ed, until next time, man. Thank you so much for coming on.
Thank you guys for having me. Absolutely. Thank you. Take care of my friend.
Yeah, man. That was absolutely awesome. So, you know, he opened up a lot of a lot of questions. I mean, he opened up a lot of questions for you. I know for for myself. I mean, like I said, I'm still huge skeptical on pictures. That's just me. Thank you, Chris. Appreciate you, man.
Um, but you know, like I said, I'm open to it and I'm open to doing more pictures because obviously I did catch that thing in Montana and it did intrigue me a lot and everything that we see on here. I still can't explain that one, man. I wish I had it pulled up. It's in my hard drive, but it it's amazing. It was in the middle of the day, like right when the museum opened AJ and I were walking the grounds to kind of scope the area out and meet the lady and give her the check for the information.
I was like, I'm going to check for the investigation that night and it was like, it was like right at 11 noon ish in this room is sealed. Like the doors are locked. There's nothing in there in this mist looks like a lady and a nurse's gown from the time that the hospital was there. It's amazing picture. I'll have to bring it up for next episode. Yeah, definitely.
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