1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:22,000 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 2 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:33,000 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 3 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:05,000 What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here with Talking With The Source. I'm here with my good friend. Please introduce yourself. 4 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Jonathan Keyworth, JK 47 Paranormal. 5 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Awesome. And we have an amazing show. Before we start the show, I wanted to do a shout out real quick. It's a friend of mine. He is a young kid. He's 21 years old and he started a detailing business over here in Connecticut, USA. 6 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:43,000 And it is 203 detailing. If you need anything detailed, if you need a paint correction, anything along those lines, his telephone number is on the screen. It's 203-707-7077. His name is Michael. 7 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Definitely give him a shout out. He does an amazing job from what you can see with the pictures on the screen that are next to it. But it's 203 detailing, so definitely check it out. 203 detailing, paint correction. 8 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:19,000 203-707-7077. But that's a lot of sevens. What's up? What's going on? But anyway, we have an amazing guest today, man. I want to bring him forward. We have a paranormal investigator who's been a paranormal researcher for 25 plus years. 9 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:34,000 He just retired in 2018 and I want to find out what the reasons are. I know all you guys do, so let's bring him forward. His name is Mark Foster. Mark, what's going on? Mark, how are you? 10 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Hey guys, how are you? Great, great. Good, man. 11 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:53,000 I wanted to say hi real quick to Chris Bender and also Dez as well. How are you guys? Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Mark, so the first thing I wanted to ask you was, I want to get right into the controversial stuff. 12 00:02:53,000 --> 00:03:10,000 So you retired in 2018 because of how the field was and you saw some downwards spiral where it was going. Tell me a little bit about it, why you got out of it, and what your concerns were. 13 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Well, I mean, there was quite a few things over the last five years I was around in the public eye and still investigating. Mostly I was concerned with the, and we've talked about this before in live broadcasts quite a few times just here on this show. 14 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:48,000 But I was concerned about a lot of misinformation that was being put out. You know, there's always that assumption of everything is evil and the level that wants to harm you and all that. 15 00:03:48,000 --> 00:04:06,000 But it just seemed like the more media that was put out there with some of the most popular faces on television and podcasts and YouTube streaming videos and all of that, which I don't have anything against streaming people's investigations online. 16 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 That's totally fine as far as I'm concerned. 17 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:23,000 The problem was that things were becoming more scripted, less spur of the moment. And with any television show, for example, you're going to have very heavy editing. 18 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Just with the few shows that I've done in the past, I began to realize that without ratings they don't have a show. So you're not, it's not like you're going to, if I could use this example, you're not going to pay to take a haunted house tour and not have an experience. 19 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:56,000 And that is completely, as you guys know, completely contradictory to the reason why most of us legitimate people do this. And it's, it was getting worse and worse and worse. 20 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:12,000 And even some people that I respected and had a relationship, a working relationship with, they were going off in that direction. And I'm not sure what the reasons behind it were. 21 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Maybe exposure, maybe they are ego. 22 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 The feast of popularity. 23 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:42,000 I don't know. But when I started all of this, and this is probably going to be hard to believe for some people, really paranormal researchers, people interested in the occult and everything that the paranormal covers, cryptids, all of it. 24 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:59,000 They basically were in the closet. You know, we weren't people that broadcast to the world that we were out there doing this for fun and for exposure. 25 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:05,000 We were ridiculed. We were looked down upon, people laughed at us and so forth and so on. 26 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:15,000 You know, it just became, from it being that way when I first got into it, to, and it's a great conversation piece, don't get me wrong. 27 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:31,000 But when we started, and I say people my age and people that are still in the field, it wasn't this giant popularity game. So that actually spawned and spurred on a lot of misinformation for ratings and exposure. 28 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:42,000 And I just that, it kind of made me sick because people that are suffering from others is not why I got into this. 29 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 I'd do all my work for free. I don't charge anybody anything. 30 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:59,000 Yeah, we should. That's the main thing, you know, and those are the people that I work with, man. I work with people that are like John who are just willing to help people because you know what, that's what this field should be about. 31 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:06,000 And you're absolutely right. You know, for people to make a penny off of someone else's suffering is really, really messed up. 32 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:17,000 And you know, you got to put those people on blast. I mean, you know what, I never put anybody on blast on the show, just because of contra, like just because I don't want the controversy of the show. 33 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:24,000 But I'm going to put somebody on blast right now. And it's Sam and Colby. Sam and Colby are a channel on YouTube. 34 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:31,000 They go to all these haunted places and they basically make up a bunch of bullshit. 35 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Now, they recently caught like a really good, I guess, capture. 36 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:44,000 And they had they were on some kind of podcast show, a real big one. And they revealed it. 37 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:54,000 And it was a good capture. But the ancient Ram in they went there and they lied about the history. They lied about all this stuff that was there. 38 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,000 They did all the stuff that the lady asked not them to do. And they did it anyway. 39 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:08,000 They released the video. And now the lady didn't want Global Ghost Hunt, who is our company, to be sponsored. 40 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:16,000 They didn't want to be sponsored by us because of Sam and Gold, because we're an American based thing. And we had to explain to them like, listen, it's not an American base. 41 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,000 It's actually Canadian based. And, you know, we're not like that. We're about respect. 42 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 And luckily, ancient Ram in is now part of Global Ghost Hunt, thankfully. 43 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:36,000 But because of stuff like that, of them going in, making up all this bull crap and, you know, people believing it and then getting thousands and thousands of views off of it. 44 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,000 People are like, you know, it's like it's like it's almost like people are stupid to this. You know what I mean? 45 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Like they don't they think like paranormal investigating is exciting 24 7. And that's not the case. 46 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:59,000 You know, I yeah, I wish I mean, I've said I've sat in locations, you know, and I've had thousands of cases over the last 25 plus years. 47 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:11,000 I've sat in places for 12 hours and not not had any type of data or any anything indicating or leading up to any type of paranormal activity. 48 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:21,000 And you're exactly right. It's people think that it's all, you know, let's rip our shirts off and scream into the darkness and call everything the D word. 49 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:30,000 But it really isn't. It's so much more mundane than that. But you have to have a passion and a heart for it. 50 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:36,000 You do. You absolutely do. And like Chris Bender just said in the comments, he calls it ghost fishing now. 51 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:43,000 And it's just like fishing. You know, we throw a line out there and we hope to get a bite. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. 52 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:53,000 So, you know, he's absolutely right. No, and I agree with that. Like there's there's times I've been on investigations because I do I do everything live. 53 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:01,000 If I make sure that people see what I see. So it can't be the bunk because I can't do editing and crap right in front of me. 54 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:08,000 And there's been times where not a single thing happens. Don't get a single voice out of anything. 55 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:15,000 And I'm just like, sorry, guys, that's the name of the game. Usually it gets better the second night. 56 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Yeah. And you know, we're talking about that salmon person with the Ram in. 57 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:31,000 That's not the first time we've had that experience in that location with a team or a podcaster or a live streamer. 58 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:37,000 And, you know, Emerald Isle, you guys know Emerald Isle. Yeah. Yeah. 59 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:45,000 But I think they were recently there and they said a lot of things on their live straight, you know, about they didn't. 60 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:57,000 I don't think they mentioned the name that you mentioned, but really it sounds like that particular person is sort of like 61 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,000 and not to put anybody on blast, but everybody knows the laughing stock of this field. 62 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:13,000 You know, Mr. Hair Gel, you know, everybody wants to be like him and have their own, you know, have their own something about Mary, you know, podcast. 63 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:23,000 And unfortunately, for the last 20 years, pieces of shit like that are spawning new pieces of shit like that. 64 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:29,000 So they got to make stuff up and, you know, it's just awesome. 65 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 It's sad because there's not creative people anymore. 66 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Everyone is stealing from somebody else trying to profit. 67 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,000 And it's like, you know, look at all the other people that get rich off of those clips. 68 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 So then they copy those clips and they make a video of all that. 69 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,000 And all they're doing is just cutting and I always say, go get your own crap. 70 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,000 Why do you have to steal, promote other people? 71 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,000 You know, yeah, my favorite thing are these compilations. 72 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:01,000 There's a few that I actually follow and they do the compilations, you know, top 50 most haunted places. 73 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,000 And it's the same title on every every video. 74 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,000 And there's at least 99 percent of it's the same shit they did in the other video. 75 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Yeah, so when people's, you know, stealing people's data and evidence just to get ahead and get those stupid clicks. 76 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,000 You know what I mean? It's like. 77 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,000 That's not what this is about, man. It's a. 78 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,000 I always end up walking. I don't see them. They don't see me. 79 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,000 And oh, I think they're hilarious. Yeah. 80 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 I think they're hilarious. And then you get the people in the comments, the trolls that happen. 81 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,000 But you want to know what what are you going to do? 82 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,000 That's the name of the game nowadays and it sucks. 83 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:49,000 And unfortunately, hopefully real teams can can push this back and get this back into a scientific kind of way. 84 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:59,000 But, you know, we can only hope, you know, but on a better note, I feel like I feel like that we are in kind of a pre Renaissance. 85 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:07,000 I feel like once people get tired of the same nonsense, the general public anyway, they're going to stop watching. 86 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 They're going to stop clicking and they're going to step back and go, what is this? 87 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,000 You know, what is this really about? I don't care about that anymore. 88 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:25,000 So when it stops becoming this fad, you know, and it starts becoming more research based and fact based, 89 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:35,000 then the Renaissance will truly happen and we'll all be sitting in that same closet making secret telephone calls on a can with a string on it. 90 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:41,000 And, you know, pulling out our giant fortune, like real the reels and our high density video mics. 91 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,000 And, you know, we'll go we'll go back to the Warren style. You know what I mean? 92 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Exactly. Exactly. Now, tell me with the two teams that you were successful with, what was some of the most scariest things that you've encountered? 93 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Um, just with the Moonlight, you're talking about Moonlight Paranormal. Yeah. Yeah, Moonlight. Yep. 94 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Yeah. I mean, there's there was quite a few that we could talk about. 95 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:25,000 But one that sticks out in my mind is when we first started out, one of our first cases, and I had a completely different team at the beginning than I did at the end. 96 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:35,000 One of the first cases that we took was in Alton, Illinois, which I live now in this area. And we did three properties in one night. 97 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:40,000 I had to break in a couple of rookies and a self proclaimed medium. 98 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:46,000 And we're going to I would like to get into that here in a little while. 99 00:14:46,000 --> 00:15:01,000 So the first place, the first location, same client, three different locations, she was flipping houses, and she couldn't seem to keep any of her crews on the other two properties she was trying to flip. 100 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Long story short, these guys leave in the middle of the day, tools left there, you know, you know, $1,000 of the tools, they would leave, and she would never hear from them again. 101 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:19,000 You know, a couple of months later, a couple months later, she'd see an advertisement on Facebook or somebody would talk to her talk to her about them. 102 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000 And they'd be out there working for other companies. 103 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:29,000 But if you don't know the storied past of Alton, then it's not as impactful. 104 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:35,000 To put it this is one of the most haunted little cities in America. 105 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:42,000 They had a Civil War prison here. And right after the war ended. 106 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:52,000 A lot of the stone that they use from the local bluffs that they quarried to build the prison ended up getting dispersed throughout this town. 107 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 And so for basically. 108 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Yeah, so now you have all of this imprinted energy from such a horrible place. 109 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:07,000 And I mean, this place had no running water. It had they were they were pissing and drinking out of the same stream. 110 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:14,000 I mean, it was like Auschwitz really in a nutshell, you know, 50 years before it happened. 111 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:24,000 And there's an island here right on the Mississippi off the off of the shoreline, or it was a cholera island. 112 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Where they would stick all the infected on the island and basically wait for them to die. 113 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:37,000 You know, there's a hospital there and they had doctors, but they didn't know what they were dealing with back in the day. 114 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,000 So you put all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 115 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 So you might be a provelio. Yeah, sorry. 116 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Please go. Please keep going. No, you're fine. You're fine. 117 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:57,000 So you put all that and that just that energy together, never mind the 200 year old cemeteries and Confederate cemetery that they have here. 118 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:06,000 And so many other amazing locations like McPike Mashin and Mineral Springs Hotel, which GA has done several times. 119 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:11,000 And I stopped patronizing that place once that started happening. 120 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:17,000 But that's another story for another day. So these three locations, the first location was her home. 121 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,000 And her children were being terrorized by something unseen. 122 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:28,000 And we went up into the children's bedrooms. They were on the second floor of this three level house. 123 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:36,000 And the minute you walked in up the stairwell to go to these rooms and as you walked in, there was a room here and there's a room here. 124 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000 And then one straight ahead. So there was three bedrooms. 125 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:52,000 One of the children had said that they had woke up one night. She said sometime after midnight and said that something tried to reach out and grab her through the wall. 126 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Now they're on the second level, so no one's reaching in the windows on the second level. 127 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:07,000 But she she said the wall. So we go in, we sit down, we kill all the lights, we go dark and we start doing an EVP session. 128 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:16,000 And the medium that was with us, she actually had an SLR camera and was a photographer and a former model. 129 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:29,000 So she knew a way around a camera. And every time she took a picture, there were these streams of light in the photos that some of which we had seen. 130 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,000 And at one point we heard scratching and growling coming out of the walls. 131 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:41,000 And now we didn't ask for we didn't ask for any more information than the basic story. 132 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:50,000 And when we express to the owner, this is the area that we heard and and experienced this and we caught it on tape. 133 00:18:50,000 --> 00:19:00,000 We're running DVRs, obviously. By the way, one of the things that really pisses me off and irritates me is when these people walk around with their DVRs. 134 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Yeah, it's like sit it down in the room and walk away. Yeah, because you rub it against your jacket is not someone that's not a spirit telling you they're going to they're going to bite you or whatever. 135 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:19,000 So, yeah, so we we ended up doing a cleansing on the house. 136 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:27,000 And then we moved on to property number two. It's about two o'clock in the morning and that property is still vacant and it's still here and I could take you right to it. 137 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,000 But the second property was old. 138 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Like a farmhouse. There was, you know, obviously this land was all farm at one point. 139 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:51,000 But that was one of the places that they could not keep a crew on. We walked in and I swear to God there was about a $500 band saw there that it barely had the plastic taken off of it. 140 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:58,000 There were tools everywhere. Only the parlor room was the only room that had nothing in it. 141 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,000 And we actually found a hidden door in off the parlor there that went into the walls. 142 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:17,000 When we investigated further, we, we realized that in most of these homes. And this dawn I mean middle of the investigation was that when they built these homes that they always had a safe room. 143 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000 So if warring factions were to roll through town. 144 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,000 They would put their, their wife and kids in there, grab their musket and go for go for a walk. 145 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:40,000 But they would be secure with, you know, canned goods and and water cans of water, things of that nature, or jugs of water so that when the when the husbands would come back, they could retrieve their family and they'd be safe and sound. 146 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:51,000 So we realized that's what that was and over the years they had boarded it up, but it was a five by six room that you could fit, four or five people in. 147 00:20:51,000 --> 00:21:07,000 So with that we understood we understood there might have been some, you know, possible psychic imprint on the, on the, on the location, that was my assumption anyway and we kind of figured out that's what it was. 148 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,000 So we decided to go down into the basement. Why is it always the basement. 149 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Why is it always. 150 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Yeah, exactly. 151 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,000 It's never the kitchen, you know, 152 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:30,000 ma'am, you don't have a demon in your kitchen that's just your new ice maker. So, 153 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:38,000 so we head down to the basement, three of the four of us did. And as I'm leading the charge down there. 154 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,000 Something put its pressure up against my chest and I couldn't move. 155 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:51,000 And I was telling my people I said, push me down the stairs, I'm two steps from the floor this place. 156 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 They could not move me. 157 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:07,000 That was a lot skinnier back then. I'm about 210 now was about 165 pounds back in the day. And one of my investigators is actually six foot plus, and could really pack a wallop if you wanted to hurt you. 158 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Yeah. So, once we push through that. 159 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Finally the pressure let up. 160 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Once we push through that. We got down in the basement. And we captured a few EVPs that we, we did an immediate review on, you know, we had the headphones in and we were listening as we were recording, which is one of the only times I would ever carry my DVR around. 161 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,000 But I had a little before it so it couldn't brush up against anything. 162 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Long story short, we caught what we found out was actual Latin thing spoke in the basement. 163 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Oh, and once we, once we left the location to take a breather. 164 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:57,000 One of my teammates noticed that on my arm, I had scratches on the back of my arm. 165 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Now you can guess what they were the mocking of the Trinity. 166 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:17,000 So, so that happened and then, as this place had no power by the way there was no electricity to it. But as we turn to go back in and kind of say our goodbyes and be respectful. 167 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:25,000 The lights in the attic, which had a steeple type of addict on it. The light popped on. 168 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,000 And there was literally no power box on the side of this house. 169 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Nothing. 170 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 And we could see someone walking back and forth. 171 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000 So I'm getting I'm getting just recounting it. 172 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Yeah. 173 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:52,000 So idiot me, I decided I'm gonna I'm gonna charge back up there and go see who's up in the house, because it could have been a vagrant almost person. 174 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:58,000 So I get up there, and I grabbed the ladder and I put it on the port to the attic. 175 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,000 And it because it didn't have one of the fold down ones. So I seem they had a six foot ladder there. 176 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,000 So I put it up there I get up in the attic. And the light is on. 177 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,000 And I'm hearing what sounded like. 178 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:19,000 I want to say, like a combination of a young girl and a goat. If that makes sense. 179 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000 And it's like literally screaming. 180 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Everybody heard it. 181 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,000 So I was like, I got the note out of there and slipped down the ladder like a firefighter. 182 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,000 And I said, Okay, so let's go on to the next property. 183 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Yeah, so that was pretty terrifying. 184 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,000 But that that's the one that stands out in my mind. 185 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000 From from the last year. 186 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:49,000 Yeah, yeah. And she said that light never never came on again. Never yet wasn't ever able to sell the property either. 187 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,000 So that is why I buy a good life. 188 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,000 I've been seeing that bite your back. 189 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,000 If some little goat girl came out of the darkness. 190 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 No. Oh, no. 191 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Oh, no. 192 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,000 My biggest fear. I don't care if it crawls on the ground or slides across the walls. 193 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000 But the minute I see some shit on the ceiling, I'm out. 194 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Yeah, I don't do that. 195 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,000 You know what I'm talking about? 196 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 No, I'm good. 197 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 No, with my life. 198 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 They're walking anywhere together. 199 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 We are not. We are not going to be friends. 200 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 We're not spider walking anywhere together. 201 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Exactly. Exactly. 202 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Now, tell me, Mark, how actually, John, go ahead and ask a question, brother. 203 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,000 I'm going to ask you a question. 204 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,000 Oh, man. No, those are great stories. 205 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000 So are you completely done with investigating now? 206 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Or do you ever, you know, kind of spot on stuff? 207 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,000 I still have quite a few out of the hundreds. 208 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,000 I used to have not very many, but I still have a few contacts that I do consult on. 209 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000 I haven't actually been on an investigation in over three years. 210 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 I don't want to get technical. 211 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:19,000 So I do have and I do have international contacts that I still communicate with here and there. 212 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,000 So I'm not I'm 99 percent out. 213 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,000 I'm not going to be gearing up anytime soon and taking on any big cases. 214 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Yeah. 215 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Do you do you still are you still look at clips and like, man, I wish I could see that. 216 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Yeah. All right. You know, like if if I was in your neighborhood, I said, let's go. 217 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Come on, man. 218 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,000 I mean, if you drove through town and said, hey, I got a spot. 219 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000 Let's go. I'd be like, all right, let me grab a few pieces of equipment. 220 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000 Yeah. Yeah. We can go dowsing. 221 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000 That's fine. I'm working on it, man. 222 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000 That's going to be the future. 223 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Getting in an RV and just going for a while, you know, come back home every now and then. 224 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000 If there was money in it, that's where you could do that. 225 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:15,000 Absolutely. Or if I won the lottery, I'd probably get a nice RV and take it on the road. 226 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Yeah. That'd be a dream. You know, that'd be a dream. 227 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:32,000 I wanted to ask you, so when out of the 25 plus years that you've been a paranormal researcher, man, tell me, what was your go to go to like equipment? 228 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,000 What would you use the most? 229 00:27:35,000 --> 00:28:03,000 Actually, my physical researchers, my physical self, I realized late in the game that I had developed after all these cases, had developed a sensitivity to spirit. 230 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,000 I would use a lot of night vision cameras and just let's go. 231 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000 I don't need these ghost boxes. 232 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:23,000 And I used to have an SP seven, but I mean, they're kind of unreliable as far as as far as their credibility anyway, in my opinion, they're great devices. 233 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,000 If you're in a place that's in the middle of a dead zone, no pun intended. 234 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:34,000 I'm not picking up any radio signals. 235 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:47,000 But, yeah, the human, the human emotion, the human body, the natural ability that we all have to tune into spirit is very, is very much a basic tool. 236 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 So yeah. 237 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:57,000 Well, I don't blame you. That's one thing that is the most important in my opinion. 238 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:04,000 I always used to tell my investigators, there's ever a time where you don't feel comfortable or you feel afraid. 239 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000 Get out. 240 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000 Don't be the hero. 241 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000 Yeah. And it's it's saved us a lot of grief over the years. 242 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 So I'm very happy for them. 243 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:20,000 Yeah. I mean, think about all the times you must have saved yourself from getting an attachment. 244 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000 You know, or say the team. 245 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Oh, yeah. And I actually that happened to me twice in all those years. 246 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,000 I was about to ask you, tell me a little bit about what happened. 247 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Well, we had a case in Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri, back in 2016, I believe it was 2015. 248 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Pardon me. 249 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:52,000 And it was this trailer we drove all the way from Dexter, Missouri, to this this trailer three hours away. 250 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000 It was owned by this guy's father who had passed away. 251 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:04,000 And his claims were that he was being basically tortured by his father from the other side. 252 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 He couldn't sleep. He couldn't eat. 253 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Anytime he ever ate anything, he would almost immediately throw it up. 254 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:20,000 He went from 200 plus pounds to a whopping 127 pounds in less than six months because he wasn't eating anything. 255 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Hey, no drugs were involved. 256 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:35,000 So anybody that wants to to have me clarify that there was no, you know, hardcore drugs or not even really any drinking going on with this guy because he, you know, he was just stressed to the max. 257 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Yeah. 258 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:44,000 So we went in, we did the investigation and during the investigation, I caught a male voice several times. 259 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Hey, Stu. 260 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,000 Tell me that he was going to basically kill me. 261 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,000 And this was during a solo EVP session that I did in the father's bedroom. 262 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000 He came through in my opinion, it was him. 263 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:09,000 He came through several times in this recording and I have actually put that on my Facebook page. 264 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000 That's not really been active since 2018. 265 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000 But all that audio is there for anyone that wants to go and check it out. 266 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 And that's moonlight paranormal investigations. 267 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Moonlight spelt wrong, by the way, LIT, not light. 268 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,000 So anyway, yeah, yeah, well, you know, I'm an idiot. 269 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000 Whatever. 270 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000 So we get back. 271 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:46,000 We get back from this investigation after nine long hours and three hours travel time back. 272 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:54,000 But before we left, he gave us this vessel was a almost like a almost like an iron. 273 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000 But it was from the Civil War that his dad had held on to for many, many years. 274 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 So I said, you know what? 275 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000 I really don't accept gifts or money or anything for what we do. 276 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000 And the gentleman said, no, you don't understand. 277 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,000 I think my father's attached to this and that's why he's bothering me. 278 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:23,000 So we went ahead and wrapped the vessel in salt and set a blessing and sage the vessel just to safely get it back to Dexter, Missouri. 279 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:29,000 And once we got it back, I started falling into a deep depression for no reason whatsoever. 280 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,000 I didn't want to eat. I didn't want to sleep. You see where this is going. Yeah. Yeah. 281 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:42,000 So it's almost like you're right. 282 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:51,000 Throwing in a dumpster. Well, I had I had a very close friend of mine that took care of wanted objects and knew how to properly dispose of them or bind them. 283 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,000 And I was going to bring that up to her and St. Louis the next time we went up. 284 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,000 I didn't think much of it. I ended up putting it in the garage behind my house at the time. 285 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:10,000 And things just got worse. It felt like the energy was even worse than it was when I had the thing sitting in my office and my house. 286 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Yeah. So once we short my teammate, another medium, comes down from St. Louis to visit and do an investigation at the time. 287 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,000 And old. It's a music store now, but it's in Poplar Bluffs, Missouri. 288 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:33,000 It used to be a brothel, a church, and they had cold storage for dead bodies during the Civil War at one point. 289 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:40,000 So it also worked as a field hospital. This place had three layers balconies on the inside. 290 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,000 Right. So we were going to check it out. We had this amazing opportunity to check it out. 291 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:51,000 So she came down and immediately got I didn't tell her about it. She didn't go with us on that investigation, by the way. 292 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:59,000 So I immediately told her about this thing that was happening. She said, Yeah, you seem a lot a lot different. You seem off. 293 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:08,000 She said, when I when I got out of the car and we hugged you, it was like you were being held down by a mudslide, you know. 294 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And so I showed her I showed her the vessel and she wouldn't touch it. She said, Nope, not doing it. 295 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,000 We're going to do anything with this. We're going to take it. Yeah. 296 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000 Well, we ended up taking it to the cemetery. 297 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:31,000 We ended up taking it to the cemetery and put it in a large mason jar and did a blessing on it. 298 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Sage it, salted the earth, replaced the soil. And I felt like a whole new person as soon as that last shovel full went into the ground. 299 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:50,000 So that was the last experience. Isn't it a weird feeling when something lifts off of you? 300 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Because you could feel it. It's like you feel normal again. 301 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:02,000 It's it's like when you're in it, it's like something's tugging on your coil. 302 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:09,000 You're immortal coil. And then once it's gone, it's as if he's been reborn in a lot of ways. 303 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:17,000 Yeah. Yep. I know exactly what you're talking about, because I've had a touch before and that's exactly how it felt. 304 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,000 It's well, we had one last weekend. 305 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Well, we we always we always said a prayer before we went into any location and then one to close out tonight just to just for all intents and purposes. 306 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Of course, of course, I would have to. 307 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,000 And we always kept a few crystals of protection and things of that nature. 308 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:50,000 I used to carry a lot of onyx around to absorb any negative energy and then, you know, we cleanse it. 309 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:58,000 So but the attachments are no are no are no fun and they're not anything to play with. 310 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,000 And that's the other, you know, going back to why I left the field. It's all a game. 311 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000 It's all a game until someone ends up, you know, crawling on the ceiling. 312 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:14,000 You know what I'm saying? It's these people don't know what they don't know what they're messing with. 313 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,000 Yeah. And then and then everybody wants to feel sorry for them when they get fucked up. 314 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,000 None of us know we're messing with, you know, to be truly isn't that the army saying you're right. 315 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Fuck around and find out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 316 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,000 That's a meme somewhere. SpongeBob. Yeah. Yeah. 317 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Yeah. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. Now, tell me a little bit about the medium situation that you were going to talk about. 318 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,000 OK, this is where things get interesting. 319 00:36:50,000 --> 00:37:04,000 Up until about 2017, one of my personal unspoken goals was to always have a psychic medium or sensitive person on one of my teams or my investigations. 320 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:13,000 And the whole purpose of that was so I could debunk every single time they tried to claim that they were feeling, seeing or hearing something. 321 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Yeah. So I'd always make them go in blind, no history on a location. The only person we never briefed before we went in was the medium psychic. 322 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:29,000 What have you? Yeah. I've only worked with three total that I can actually say. 323 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000 I believe we're entirely legit. 324 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:48,000 One of them is an expert because she has now passed away. Oh, the other one, the other male is an expert because he has also now crossed the veil to be with his wife, Lorraine. 325 00:37:48,000 --> 00:38:09,000 So those two are I mean, demonology is an iffy subject for me, too. But as far as active results and and documented results with a medium, you cannot you can't argue with with that work. 326 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:18,000 And then the other one is actually the gal that was on my my last incarnation here in St. Louis of the team and 100 percent legit. 327 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Now, here's the irony. I was like the. 328 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Who is that guy that he offers? I think it's up to 10 million dollars now to anyone that can prove that they're a semi-pernetic. 329 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:41,000 What was his name? James. Yeah, James. Thank you. And I think that bounty is still out there. 330 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:54,000 It is. I was kind of the James Randi of what we were doing at the time and throughout the years because I never believed that every time they would say, oh, there's a little girl over there. 331 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:03,000 And then, you know, that type of stuff. Yeah. So in 2017, my investigations had slowed down. 332 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:11,000 I was getting the rap. I was getting ready to wrap up a career in that outside of my normal full time job. 333 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:17,000 And I had an experience one night that I can only describe as an out of body experience. 334 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:29,000 I was a athlete between R.M. and and consciousness. Yeah. And I could feel myself leave my body, my physical body. 335 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:41,000 And as as the story always goes, I remember turning around and looking down and there were there was me looking at me. 336 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:47,000 Yeah. With the silver. And then. Yeah, actually, actually, yes. 337 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:56,000 And when that happened, I slammed back into my body and jolted, you know, like when you have those falling dreams. 338 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Dude, what did I say to you? Did I not say that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 339 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:10,000 So I had one of those. I had that happen to me, which it wouldn't be the first time, but I never understood what it was about, really. 340 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,000 And then a few weeks later, I saw a little girl in my backyard. 341 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,000 And I said, OK, she doesn't look like any of the neighbor kids. 342 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:29,000 She's wearing a little sundress, you know, I couldn't really pin down the period or time that it may have been from because it it looked normal. 343 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,000 So I went out the back door to see what the hell was going on. 344 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:43,000 And I saw one of these kids in my backyard and she turned to me and she put her finger up to her lips and she shushed me. 345 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,000 So I started walking towards her and as I did, she turned around and just kind of dissipated. 346 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,000 And this was broad daylight. Now, my neighbor was standing. 347 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:59,000 Hold on. Hold on. Validate something for me, because I've watched the spirit dissipate from like complete solid before. 348 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,000 Does it not remind you of leaves being taken by the wind, the way they dissipate? 349 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,000 Like it's like it's like sometimes. Like it's weird. 350 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Sometimes I've had that experience. Yes. Yeah. 351 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000 Yes. And then there's other ones that evaporate like a mist. 352 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:23,000 So, yeah, this one, this little girl, this little girl, she evaporated like a mist. 353 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:33,000 It just yeah, she was there and then she was gone. And my neighbor was over over the other side and he says, Hey, who's that little girl? 354 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,000 You guys got staying at the house. And now I'm already stunned and in shock. 355 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,000 And I said to him, I said, well, Jerry, I said, I don't know who you're talking about. 356 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:49,000 But I think I just saw a little girl that, you know, that you might be referencing it. 357 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,000 And he said, wait, that's not she's not she's not staying with you. 358 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,000 I said, no. He said, well, I talked to her two days ago. 359 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,000 I said, what do you mean? What do you mean? You talked to her two days ago. 360 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,000 And he says, God is my witness. We had a full blown conversation over the fence. 361 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,000 And I said, about what? He said, well, she said she was staying here with you. 362 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:21,000 And I won't say my ex girlfriend's name, but you know, you froze. 363 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:28,000 Damn right. The good part where I hate. Oh, no. 364 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,000 The spirit. Come back. It's spirit. Oh, man. Spirit. 365 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:43,000 I'm telling you, once you Astro project, once you that is accomplished, you're more able to open your third eye more. 366 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,000 So that's why he's starting to see that stuff. Oh, 100 percent. 367 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:57,000 I'm telling you. Hold on. Oh, there he is. He's moving now. 368 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,000 He's moving now. All right. Oh, it was. 369 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:09,000 Well, everyone, sorry for the delay. But yeah, that is absolutely wild. That is crazy stuff. 370 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:16,000 And oh, my gosh, because there's so many accounts of that happening, like where people have this conversation with spirit. 371 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000 And, you know, it's like, oh, I agree, man. 372 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000 I've seen it. The white mess that he's explained. I've seen that in my house. 373 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,000 I've seen it at locations. Yeah. 374 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:37,000 I just not afraid of it anymore. You know, like at first I was kind of terrified of it. 375 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:44,000 Yeah. And Mark, I don't know what's going on, but your camera's not showing up. 376 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,000 It's it's spirit fucking with them. Yeah, it really is. 377 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000 He's giving all the secrets away. You right. 378 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:59,000 He was about to give the secrets away to life. And all of a sudden the girl was like, you know, cut his feed. 379 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:07,000 The men in black. But you know, here's the messed up part. If I take him off the screen in the background, he's moving and he's fine. 380 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:15,000 That's the weird part. I don't see. He looks frozen like he's holding his hand to his head. 381 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:26,000 Well, anyway, until he comes back, everyone, that was totally insane because we're just talking about this little girl and how, you know, he saw her and she dissipated. 382 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:32,000 And then all of a sudden, the neighbor the next day literally was like, yeah, what are you talking about? That little girl's not staying with you. 383 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,000 She told me she was staying with you and they had a full blown conversation that all of a sudden he's going to tell us about the conversation. 384 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:47,000 And then boom, just cut out. I'm telling you. 385 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,000 And he has not done crap for three years with paranormal, dude. 386 00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:00,000 That's the crazy thing. He hasn't done any investigations or anything. 387 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,000 And all of a sudden he's talking about his experience. It just cuts off. Yeah, this is all we see. This is it. We just see a black screen. 388 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,000 He hasn't called back. So I hope spirit didn't take him. I hope he's not fighting something crawling on the ceiling or something. 389 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:25,000 I know, right? Because he said he would run for that. 390 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:31,000 Well, anyway, the Broncos won all you Bronco fans out there. 391 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,000 There you go. But anyway, everyone on a note, on a crazy note. Yeah. 392 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:45,000 Chris says no ceiling crawlers. You're absolutely right. Anyway, from anyone who was watching and got to catch all that, I know we have like nine people watching. 393 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:53,000 And I know you guys know he's back. Oh, he's back. Hold on. Let's bring him on forward. Let's see if he's back. 394 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,000 Oh, he's back. Oh, yes. 395 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000 You know how bad the Internet is here. 396 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:10,000 So we're in a really I'm actually at work and we're in a very old golf course country club. 397 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,000 So the Wi-Fi up here is really bad. I apologize, guys. 398 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,000 We thought the little girl attacked you because you were about to tell us what the conversation was about. 399 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,000 And then all of a sudden she's standing here in front of me and she's about to look. 400 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,000 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At least it's not crawling on the ceiling. Right. 401 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, we're not doing that. 402 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:39,000 So Chris, finish the story and tell us what the little girl say to the neighbor. 403 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,000 That sounds like a joke. They just had a full blown conversation. 404 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:51,000 He said for like five minutes that she was she was staying with me and my ex and she was going to stay at the house for the summer. 405 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:56,000 And that was about it. And I said, well, that's that's I didn't want to this guy. 406 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,000 Now, this guy's old school, so I didn't want to freak him out or, you know, make him think I'm the nutty neighbor next door. 407 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,000 So we just kind of left it at that. I said, yeah, yeah, she went home. 408 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,000 What else am I supposed to say? 409 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,000 She's gone. She went home. It's all good. 410 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:23,000 Yeah, she apparently she was staying with us. I didn't know. So, yeah, it was quite interesting. 411 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,000 My goodness. But that's one of the more lighthearted things. 412 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:37,000 After after that, I started hearing, feeling and seeing more things. And I don't know if you heard me earlier. 413 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:44,000 Right before I cut out, I said that I felt like my third eye was finally opening. 414 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,000 And yeah, why was I right? 415 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000 Why was I right? Because here I am getting out of the field. 416 00:47:53,000 --> 00:48:01,000 And now I'm seeing, hearing, feeling and able to communicate with spirit. 417 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:09,000 And if I don't put my blinders up at any given moment, I can be approached by any given spirit. 418 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,000 It's really odd. I've never expected to experience that. 419 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,000 It's because they know that you help them. You know, you were doing it for the right reasons. 420 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,000 Your intentions were good and they don't want you to go, you know. 421 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:38,000 My favorite thing about it, I have to say, is that my accuracy, the few times I've utilized my gifts, has been pretty darn good. 422 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,000 And then sometimes when it wasn't very good in the moment, 423 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:51,000 later on the person that I was communicating with on this plane would contact or reach out to me and say, 424 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,000 Hey, remember I told you, you were wrong about that? Well, I talked to my mom last week. 425 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,000 So, you know, that's happened a few times. 426 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:15,000 But when I relay messages or do any type of reading for anyone, I'm giving them the information that the spirit is giving me. 427 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:26,000 So everything that they're saying to me or show me is being given to the client or the friend or the associate or whoever I am trying to help out. 428 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,000 I had a very strange experience one time, though. I will tell you this one. 429 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000 I was on grocery shopping at a local market here in Alton. 430 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:44,000 And this guy in a jumpsuit, like a mechanics outfit, was standing back by the meat counter and he kept staring at me and staring at me. 431 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:51,000 And I just kind of ignored him. I mean, he was playing his day as you guys are here with me. 432 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,000 And I didn't really think anything about it. 433 00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:10,000 But this lady came out of one of the aisles with her two children. She had a small, maybe one year old child in the seat and then a seven or eight year old child with her. 434 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:16,000 A very nice Caucasian lady. Her kids were beautiful, mixed children. 435 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:24,000 And this and then it dawned on me that this guy in this mechanic suit, well, he's African American. 436 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:31,000 And I can't I can't remember what is what his name was on his name patch, but he looked like he had been doing some work. 437 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:39,000 You know, he had crease stains and all that. Yeah. So he starts pestering me to go into the aisle to ignore him. 438 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000 And I turn around and he's standing right here in front of me. 439 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:48,000 Wow. So he turns his head and he looks back to the lady and the two kids and he points. 440 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,000 He hasn't said anything to me. He hasn't localized anything to me. I haven't been given any vision, nothing of that nature. 441 00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:03,000 But I felt this ultimate sadness. And I turned back around to put something in my car and I turned back around and he was gone. 442 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:12,000 Well, so I hear a voice from behind me, a large booming voice. This man was about six to six, three, built like a brick shed house. 443 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:18,000 Look like you could tear the horns off of our antlers off a bear with his bare hands alive. 444 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:28,000 And so I hear this voice from behind me says, I, I needed to tell her that I love her. 445 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:35,000 I'm like, oh shit. Is this really happening right now in a grocery store? This is a mom and pop story. 446 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:42,000 So I'm I look like the crazy fucker talking to myself because nobody can see this guy. 447 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:48,000 So a little humor there, but it gets more intense. I walk over to the lady and I say, 448 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:58,000 ma'am, uh, I don't know you. You don't know me. And I put my hands up and you know, non-threatening. I said, I, I just, I need to ask you a question. 449 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:08,000 Yeah. So she said, okay, what? And I said, do you know? And I can't remember his name. He said, yeah, that's my husband. 450 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:22,000 I said, okay. He wants me to tell you that he's sorry that he passed away on the river while he was working on one of the barges and that it wasn't his fault. 451 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:30,000 And it wasn't his coworkers fall. And he's also sorry that he never got to meet his son. 452 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:41,000 So I don't know this woman from, from Adam or Eve. And he says, you know, tell her my kids names. So I tell her her kids names and her name. 453 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:53,000 I said, I, he's telling me that he got into an accident on the barge almost two years ago. And that's when he left. He left you and he's very sorry, but he loves you. 454 00:52:53,000 --> 00:53:02,000 And this woman burst into tears because I gave her a description of this man. At the time I saw it. I still had a Chicago driver's license. 455 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,000 So I said, look, I'm not from here. I just moved here six months ago. 456 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:24,000 And so she broke down and hugged me, hugged me and thanked me. And then that's when the one that was seven or eight year old looked up there. She was the little girl says, what did she say? 457 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:33,000 Oh, is daddy coming home? Cause he's over there. And she points over to the deli counter where he's standing. 458 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:40,000 So that, that all happened out of nowhere. Needless to say, I haven't grocery shopped there in a long time. 459 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:46,000 Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, yeah. 460 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,000 The good thing though is I have seen this woman and her children from time to time since that happened. 461 00:53:52,000 --> 00:54:06,000 And we each will meet eyes and she'll smile and I'll give her a wink and she'll, she'll wave. And it's like an unspoken, an unspoken thing, which is very, very sweet, very tender. 462 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000 So very, very interpersonal. 463 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:28,000 That is awesome. So, you know, you know, it shows that there, even though you have experienced some negative side of this field, you know, the love and the amount of love that you experienced in this field is more vast than the hatred and all the other stuff that you have seen and dealt with, with what's going on with this field. 464 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:36,000 So it's so good to hear that. And I'm really happy to hear, you know, what you've shared with us today. That was awesome. 465 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:42,000 Well, thank you guys so much. I mean, this has been what six months trying to get me on the show. 466 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000 I know, man. I really appreciate it. 467 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:53,000 Well, no, I want to bring you back on because you have some evidence that is still available on your hands, correct? 468 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000 Yeah. Yeah. 469 00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:01,000 I would like to bring you back on and I would like to do a show where we could just show some of the evidence if we could. 470 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:15,000 Yeah. Yeah. So what I'll do is when we get off of this, I'll message you on messenger and we'll set up a date immediately because I have dates all available and we'll get you set up for that so that we don't have to wait six months again. 471 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,000 Yeah. 472 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,000 So, but I'm getting pretty old so my time is limited. 473 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000 I'll be 47 in two months. 474 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:31,000 Yeah. Well, so you know how I'm feeling. There you go. There you go. 475 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,000 Well, hey, Mark, thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it. And thank you so much for what you're sharing. 476 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,000 My pleasure. 477 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000 It's the truth and I appreciate it a lot. 478 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000 My pleasure. 479 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,000 Yeah, man. Thank you so much. 480 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:51,000 Yeah, my pleasure. And if you guys would like to check out how I got my journey started, 481 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:57,000 I believe my episode of paranormal survivors being replayed somewhere on TV. 482 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000 So look out for that. 483 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000 Awesome. Yeah. 484 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,000 You know the episode number and season by chance. 485 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:12,000 Oh yeah episode are on season two episode six child victims. 486 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:22,000 By the way, I'm the only person I believe that's ever said I shit my pants on live television. 487 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:28,000 This is going to be awesome to watch. See, so we have definitely a lot to go over. 488 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:35,000 So we will have you on the next coming weeks. I appreciate you, Mark. And until then, we'll talk to you soon. 489 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,000 Yes. Thank you. 490 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000 Absolutely, man. Take care of you guys. God bless. 491 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,000 Bye. 492 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:49,000 Thank you.