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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here with Talking With The Source. I'm here with my good friend. Please introduce yourself.
Jonathan Keyworth, JK 47 Paranormal.
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203-707-7077. But that's a lot of sevens. What's up? What's going on? But anyway, we have an amazing guest today, man. I want to bring him forward. We have a paranormal investigator who's been a paranormal researcher for 25 plus years.
He just retired in 2018 and I want to find out what the reasons are. I know all you guys do, so let's bring him forward. His name is Mark Foster. Mark, what's going on? Mark, how are you?
Hey guys, how are you? Great, great. Good, man.
I wanted to say hi real quick to Chris Bender and also Dez as well. How are you guys? Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Mark, so the first thing I wanted to ask you was, I want to get right into the controversial stuff.
So you retired in 2018 because of how the field was and you saw some downwards spiral where it was going. Tell me a little bit about it, why you got out of it, and what your concerns were.
Well, I mean, there was quite a few things over the last five years I was around in the public eye and still investigating. Mostly I was concerned with the, and we've talked about this before in live broadcasts quite a few times just here on this show.
But I was concerned about a lot of misinformation that was being put out. You know, there's always that assumption of everything is evil and the level that wants to harm you and all that.
But it just seemed like the more media that was put out there with some of the most popular faces on television and podcasts and YouTube streaming videos and all of that, which I don't have anything against streaming people's investigations online.
That's totally fine as far as I'm concerned.
The problem was that things were becoming more scripted, less spur of the moment. And with any television show, for example, you're going to have very heavy editing.
Just with the few shows that I've done in the past, I began to realize that without ratings they don't have a show. So you're not, it's not like you're going to, if I could use this example, you're not going to pay to take a haunted house tour and not have an experience.
And that is completely, as you guys know, completely contradictory to the reason why most of us legitimate people do this. And it's, it was getting worse and worse and worse.
And even some people that I respected and had a relationship, a working relationship with, they were going off in that direction. And I'm not sure what the reasons behind it were.
Maybe exposure, maybe they are ego.
The feast of popularity.
I don't know. But when I started all of this, and this is probably going to be hard to believe for some people, really paranormal researchers, people interested in the occult and everything that the paranormal covers, cryptids, all of it.
They basically were in the closet. You know, we weren't people that broadcast to the world that we were out there doing this for fun and for exposure.
We were ridiculed. We were looked down upon, people laughed at us and so forth and so on.
You know, it just became, from it being that way when I first got into it, to, and it's a great conversation piece, don't get me wrong.
But when we started, and I say people my age and people that are still in the field, it wasn't this giant popularity game. So that actually spawned and spurred on a lot of misinformation for ratings and exposure.
And I just that, it kind of made me sick because people that are suffering from others is not why I got into this.
I'd do all my work for free. I don't charge anybody anything.
Yeah, we should. That's the main thing, you know, and those are the people that I work with, man. I work with people that are like John who are just willing to help people because you know what, that's what this field should be about.
And you're absolutely right. You know, for people to make a penny off of someone else's suffering is really, really messed up.
And you know, you got to put those people on blast. I mean, you know what, I never put anybody on blast on the show, just because of contra, like just because I don't want the controversy of the show.
But I'm going to put somebody on blast right now. And it's Sam and Colby. Sam and Colby are a channel on YouTube.
They go to all these haunted places and they basically make up a bunch of bullshit.
Now, they recently caught like a really good, I guess, capture.
And they had they were on some kind of podcast show, a real big one. And they revealed it.
And it was a good capture. But the ancient Ram in they went there and they lied about the history. They lied about all this stuff that was there.
They did all the stuff that the lady asked not them to do. And they did it anyway.
They released the video. And now the lady didn't want Global Ghost Hunt, who is our company, to be sponsored.
They didn't want to be sponsored by us because of Sam and Gold, because we're an American based thing. And we had to explain to them like, listen, it's not an American base.
It's actually Canadian based. And, you know, we're not like that. We're about respect.
And luckily, ancient Ram in is now part of Global Ghost Hunt, thankfully.
But because of stuff like that, of them going in, making up all this bull crap and, you know, people believing it and then getting thousands and thousands of views off of it.
People are like, you know, it's like it's like it's almost like people are stupid to this. You know what I mean?
Like they don't they think like paranormal investigating is exciting 24 7. And that's not the case.
You know, I yeah, I wish I mean, I've said I've sat in locations, you know, and I've had thousands of cases over the last 25 plus years.
I've sat in places for 12 hours and not not had any type of data or any anything indicating or leading up to any type of paranormal activity.
And you're exactly right. It's people think that it's all, you know, let's rip our shirts off and scream into the darkness and call everything the D word.
But it really isn't. It's so much more mundane than that. But you have to have a passion and a heart for it.
You do. You absolutely do. And like Chris Bender just said in the comments, he calls it ghost fishing now.
And it's just like fishing. You know, we throw a line out there and we hope to get a bite. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.
So, you know, he's absolutely right. No, and I agree with that. Like there's there's times I've been on investigations because I do I do everything live.
If I make sure that people see what I see. So it can't be the bunk because I can't do editing and crap right in front of me.
And there's been times where not a single thing happens. Don't get a single voice out of anything.
And I'm just like, sorry, guys, that's the name of the game. Usually it gets better the second night.
Yeah. And you know, we're talking about that salmon person with the Ram in.
That's not the first time we've had that experience in that location with a team or a podcaster or a live streamer.
And, you know, Emerald Isle, you guys know Emerald Isle. Yeah. Yeah.
But I think they were recently there and they said a lot of things on their live straight, you know, about they didn't.
I don't think they mentioned the name that you mentioned, but really it sounds like that particular person is sort of like
and not to put anybody on blast, but everybody knows the laughing stock of this field.
You know, Mr. Hair Gel, you know, everybody wants to be like him and have their own, you know, have their own something about Mary, you know, podcast.
And unfortunately, for the last 20 years, pieces of shit like that are spawning new pieces of shit like that.
So they got to make stuff up and, you know, it's just awesome.
It's sad because there's not creative people anymore.
Everyone is stealing from somebody else trying to profit.
And it's like, you know, look at all the other people that get rich off of those clips.
So then they copy those clips and they make a video of all that.
And all they're doing is just cutting and I always say, go get your own crap.
Why do you have to steal, promote other people?
You know, yeah, my favorite thing are these compilations.
There's a few that I actually follow and they do the compilations, you know, top 50 most haunted places.
And it's the same title on every every video.
And there's at least 99 percent of it's the same shit they did in the other video.
Yeah, so when people's, you know, stealing people's data and evidence just to get ahead and get those stupid clicks.
You know what I mean? It's like.
That's not what this is about, man. It's a.
I always end up walking. I don't see them. They don't see me.
And oh, I think they're hilarious. Yeah.
I think they're hilarious. And then you get the people in the comments, the trolls that happen.
But you want to know what what are you going to do?
That's the name of the game nowadays and it sucks.
And unfortunately, hopefully real teams can can push this back and get this back into a scientific kind of way.
But, you know, we can only hope, you know, but on a better note, I feel like I feel like that we are in kind of a pre Renaissance.
I feel like once people get tired of the same nonsense, the general public anyway, they're going to stop watching.
They're going to stop clicking and they're going to step back and go, what is this?
You know, what is this really about? I don't care about that anymore.
So when it stops becoming this fad, you know, and it starts becoming more research based and fact based,
then the Renaissance will truly happen and we'll all be sitting in that same closet making secret telephone calls on a can with a string on it.
And, you know, pulling out our giant fortune, like real the reels and our high density video mics.
And, you know, we'll go we'll go back to the Warren style. You know what I mean?
Exactly. Exactly. Now, tell me with the two teams that you were successful with, what was some of the most scariest things that you've encountered?
Um, just with the Moonlight, you're talking about Moonlight Paranormal. Yeah. Yeah, Moonlight. Yep.
Yeah. I mean, there's there was quite a few that we could talk about.
But one that sticks out in my mind is when we first started out, one of our first cases, and I had a completely different team at the beginning than I did at the end.
One of the first cases that we took was in Alton, Illinois, which I live now in this area. And we did three properties in one night.
I had to break in a couple of rookies and a self proclaimed medium.
And we're going to I would like to get into that here in a little while.
So the first place, the first location, same client, three different locations, she was flipping houses, and she couldn't seem to keep any of her crews on the other two properties she was trying to flip.
Long story short, these guys leave in the middle of the day, tools left there, you know, you know, $1,000 of the tools, they would leave, and she would never hear from them again.
You know, a couple of months later, a couple months later, she'd see an advertisement on Facebook or somebody would talk to her talk to her about them.
And they'd be out there working for other companies.
But if you don't know the storied past of Alton, then it's not as impactful.
To put it this is one of the most haunted little cities in America.
They had a Civil War prison here. And right after the war ended.
A lot of the stone that they use from the local bluffs that they quarried to build the prison ended up getting dispersed throughout this town.
And so for basically.
Yeah, so now you have all of this imprinted energy from such a horrible place.
And I mean, this place had no running water. It had they were they were pissing and drinking out of the same stream.
I mean, it was like Auschwitz really in a nutshell, you know, 50 years before it happened.
And there's an island here right on the Mississippi off the off of the shoreline, or it was a cholera island.
Where they would stick all the infected on the island and basically wait for them to die.
You know, there's a hospital there and they had doctors, but they didn't know what they were dealing with back in the day.
So you put all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you might be a provelio. Yeah, sorry.
Please go. Please keep going. No, you're fine. You're fine.
So you put all that and that just that energy together, never mind the 200 year old cemeteries and Confederate cemetery that they have here.
And so many other amazing locations like McPike Mashin and Mineral Springs Hotel, which GA has done several times.
And I stopped patronizing that place once that started happening.
But that's another story for another day. So these three locations, the first location was her home.
And her children were being terrorized by something unseen.
And we went up into the children's bedrooms. They were on the second floor of this three level house.
And the minute you walked in up the stairwell to go to these rooms and as you walked in, there was a room here and there's a room here.
And then one straight ahead. So there was three bedrooms.
One of the children had said that they had woke up one night. She said sometime after midnight and said that something tried to reach out and grab her through the wall.
Now they're on the second level, so no one's reaching in the windows on the second level.
But she she said the wall. So we go in, we sit down, we kill all the lights, we go dark and we start doing an EVP session.
And the medium that was with us, she actually had an SLR camera and was a photographer and a former model.
So she knew a way around a camera. And every time she took a picture, there were these streams of light in the photos that some of which we had seen.
And at one point we heard scratching and growling coming out of the walls.
And now we didn't ask for we didn't ask for any more information than the basic story.
And when we express to the owner, this is the area that we heard and and experienced this and we caught it on tape.
We're running DVRs, obviously. By the way, one of the things that really pisses me off and irritates me is when these people walk around with their DVRs.
Yeah, it's like sit it down in the room and walk away. Yeah, because you rub it against your jacket is not someone that's not a spirit telling you they're going to they're going to bite you or whatever.
So, yeah, so we we ended up doing a cleansing on the house.
And then we moved on to property number two. It's about two o'clock in the morning and that property is still vacant and it's still here and I could take you right to it.
But the second property was old.
Like a farmhouse. There was, you know, obviously this land was all farm at one point.
But that was one of the places that they could not keep a crew on. We walked in and I swear to God there was about a $500 band saw there that it barely had the plastic taken off of it.
There were tools everywhere. Only the parlor room was the only room that had nothing in it.
And we actually found a hidden door in off the parlor there that went into the walls.
When we investigated further, we, we realized that in most of these homes. And this dawn I mean middle of the investigation was that when they built these homes that they always had a safe room.
So if warring factions were to roll through town.
They would put their, their wife and kids in there, grab their musket and go for go for a walk.
But they would be secure with, you know, canned goods and and water cans of water, things of that nature, or jugs of water so that when the when the husbands would come back, they could retrieve their family and they'd be safe and sound.
So we realized that's what that was and over the years they had boarded it up, but it was a five by six room that you could fit, four or five people in.
So with that we understood we understood there might have been some, you know, possible psychic imprint on the, on the, on the location, that was my assumption anyway and we kind of figured out that's what it was.
So we decided to go down into the basement. Why is it always the basement.
Why is it always.
Yeah, exactly.
It's never the kitchen, you know,
ma'am, you don't have a demon in your kitchen that's just your new ice maker. So,
so we head down to the basement, three of the four of us did. And as I'm leading the charge down there.
Something put its pressure up against my chest and I couldn't move.
And I was telling my people I said, push me down the stairs, I'm two steps from the floor this place.
They could not move me.
That was a lot skinnier back then. I'm about 210 now was about 165 pounds back in the day. And one of my investigators is actually six foot plus, and could really pack a wallop if you wanted to hurt you.
Yeah. So, once we push through that.
Finally the pressure let up.
Once we push through that. We got down in the basement. And we captured a few EVPs that we, we did an immediate review on, you know, we had the headphones in and we were listening as we were recording, which is one of the only times I would ever carry my DVR around.
But I had a little before it so it couldn't brush up against anything.
Long story short, we caught what we found out was actual Latin thing spoke in the basement.
Oh, and once we, once we left the location to take a breather.
One of my teammates noticed that on my arm, I had scratches on the back of my arm.
Now you can guess what they were the mocking of the Trinity.
So, so that happened and then, as this place had no power by the way there was no electricity to it. But as we turn to go back in and kind of say our goodbyes and be respectful.
The lights in the attic, which had a steeple type of addict on it. The light popped on.
And there was literally no power box on the side of this house.
Nothing.
And we could see someone walking back and forth.
So I'm getting I'm getting just recounting it.
Yeah.
So idiot me, I decided I'm gonna I'm gonna charge back up there and go see who's up in the house, because it could have been a vagrant almost person.
So I get up there, and I grabbed the ladder and I put it on the port to the attic.
And it because it didn't have one of the fold down ones. So I seem they had a six foot ladder there.
So I put it up there I get up in the attic. And the light is on.
And I'm hearing what sounded like.
I want to say, like a combination of a young girl and a goat. If that makes sense.
And it's like literally screaming.
Everybody heard it.
So I was like, I got the note out of there and slipped down the ladder like a firefighter.
And I said, Okay, so let's go on to the next property.
Yeah, so that was pretty terrifying.
But that that's the one that stands out in my mind.
From from the last year.
Yeah, yeah. And she said that light never never came on again. Never yet wasn't ever able to sell the property either.
So that is why I buy a good life.
I've been seeing that bite your back.
If some little goat girl came out of the darkness.
No. Oh, no.
Oh, no.
My biggest fear. I don't care if it crawls on the ground or slides across the walls.
But the minute I see some shit on the ceiling, I'm out.
Yeah, I don't do that.
You know what I'm talking about?
No, I'm good.
No, with my life.
They're walking anywhere together.
We are not. We are not going to be friends.
We're not spider walking anywhere together.
Exactly. Exactly.
Now, tell me, Mark, how actually, John, go ahead and ask a question, brother.
I'm going to ask you a question.
Oh, man. No, those are great stories.
So are you completely done with investigating now?
Or do you ever, you know, kind of spot on stuff?
I still have quite a few out of the hundreds.
I used to have not very many, but I still have a few contacts that I do consult on.
I haven't actually been on an investigation in over three years.
I don't want to get technical.
So I do have and I do have international contacts that I still communicate with here and there.
So I'm not I'm 99 percent out.
I'm not going to be gearing up anytime soon and taking on any big cases.
Yeah.
Do you do you still are you still look at clips and like, man, I wish I could see that.
Yeah. All right. You know, like if if I was in your neighborhood, I said, let's go.
Come on, man.
I mean, if you drove through town and said, hey, I got a spot.
Let's go. I'd be like, all right, let me grab a few pieces of equipment.
Yeah. Yeah. We can go dowsing.
That's fine. I'm working on it, man.
That's going to be the future.
Getting in an RV and just going for a while, you know, come back home every now and then.
If there was money in it, that's where you could do that.
Absolutely. Or if I won the lottery, I'd probably get a nice RV and take it on the road.
Yeah. That'd be a dream. You know, that'd be a dream.
I wanted to ask you, so when out of the 25 plus years that you've been a paranormal researcher, man, tell me, what was your go to go to like equipment?
What would you use the most?
Actually, my physical researchers, my physical self, I realized late in the game that I had developed after all these cases, had developed a sensitivity to spirit.
I would use a lot of night vision cameras and just let's go.
I don't need these ghost boxes.
And I used to have an SP seven, but I mean, they're kind of unreliable as far as as far as their credibility anyway, in my opinion, they're great devices.
If you're in a place that's in the middle of a dead zone, no pun intended.
I'm not picking up any radio signals.
But, yeah, the human, the human emotion, the human body, the natural ability that we all have to tune into spirit is very, is very much a basic tool.
So yeah.
Well, I don't blame you. That's one thing that is the most important in my opinion.
I always used to tell my investigators, there's ever a time where you don't feel comfortable or you feel afraid.
Get out.
Don't be the hero.
Yeah. And it's it's saved us a lot of grief over the years.
So I'm very happy for them.
Yeah. I mean, think about all the times you must have saved yourself from getting an attachment.
You know, or say the team.
Oh, yeah. And I actually that happened to me twice in all those years.
I was about to ask you, tell me a little bit about what happened.
Well, we had a case in Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri, back in 2016, I believe it was 2015.
Pardon me.
And it was this trailer we drove all the way from Dexter, Missouri, to this this trailer three hours away.
It was owned by this guy's father who had passed away.
And his claims were that he was being basically tortured by his father from the other side.
He couldn't sleep. He couldn't eat.
Anytime he ever ate anything, he would almost immediately throw it up.
He went from 200 plus pounds to a whopping 127 pounds in less than six months because he wasn't eating anything.
Hey, no drugs were involved.
So anybody that wants to to have me clarify that there was no, you know, hardcore drugs or not even really any drinking going on with this guy because he, you know, he was just stressed to the max.
Yeah.
So we went in, we did the investigation and during the investigation, I caught a male voice several times.
Hey, Stu.
Tell me that he was going to basically kill me.
And this was during a solo EVP session that I did in the father's bedroom.
He came through in my opinion, it was him.
He came through several times in this recording and I have actually put that on my Facebook page.
That's not really been active since 2018.
But all that audio is there for anyone that wants to go and check it out.
And that's moonlight paranormal investigations.
Moonlight spelt wrong, by the way, LIT, not light.
So anyway, yeah, yeah, well, you know, I'm an idiot.
Whatever.
So we get back.
We get back from this investigation after nine long hours and three hours travel time back.
But before we left, he gave us this vessel was a almost like a almost like an iron.
But it was from the Civil War that his dad had held on to for many, many years.
So I said, you know what?
I really don't accept gifts or money or anything for what we do.
And the gentleman said, no, you don't understand.
I think my father's attached to this and that's why he's bothering me.
So we went ahead and wrapped the vessel in salt and set a blessing and sage the vessel just to safely get it back to Dexter, Missouri.
And once we got it back, I started falling into a deep depression for no reason whatsoever.
I didn't want to eat. I didn't want to sleep. You see where this is going. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's almost like you're right.
Throwing in a dumpster. Well, I had I had a very close friend of mine that took care of wanted objects and knew how to properly dispose of them or bind them.
And I was going to bring that up to her and St. Louis the next time we went up.
I didn't think much of it. I ended up putting it in the garage behind my house at the time.
And things just got worse. It felt like the energy was even worse than it was when I had the thing sitting in my office and my house.
Yeah. So once we short my teammate, another medium, comes down from St. Louis to visit and do an investigation at the time.
And old. It's a music store now, but it's in Poplar Bluffs, Missouri.
It used to be a brothel, a church, and they had cold storage for dead bodies during the Civil War at one point.
So it also worked as a field hospital. This place had three layers balconies on the inside.
Right. So we were going to check it out. We had this amazing opportunity to check it out.
So she came down and immediately got I didn't tell her about it. She didn't go with us on that investigation, by the way.
So I immediately told her about this thing that was happening. She said, Yeah, you seem a lot a lot different. You seem off.
She said, when I when I got out of the car and we hugged you, it was like you were being held down by a mudslide, you know.
And so I showed her I showed her the vessel and she wouldn't touch it. She said, Nope, not doing it.
We're going to do anything with this. We're going to take it. Yeah.
Well, we ended up taking it to the cemetery.
We ended up taking it to the cemetery and put it in a large mason jar and did a blessing on it.
Sage it, salted the earth, replaced the soil. And I felt like a whole new person as soon as that last shovel full went into the ground.
So that was the last experience. Isn't it a weird feeling when something lifts off of you?
Because you could feel it. It's like you feel normal again.
It's it's like when you're in it, it's like something's tugging on your coil.
You're immortal coil. And then once it's gone, it's as if he's been reborn in a lot of ways.
Yeah. Yep. I know exactly what you're talking about, because I've had a touch before and that's exactly how it felt.
It's well, we had one last weekend.
Well, we we always we always said a prayer before we went into any location and then one to close out tonight just to just for all intents and purposes.
Of course, of course, I would have to.
And we always kept a few crystals of protection and things of that nature.
I used to carry a lot of onyx around to absorb any negative energy and then, you know, we cleanse it.
So but the attachments are no are no are no fun and they're not anything to play with.
And that's the other, you know, going back to why I left the field. It's all a game.
It's all a game until someone ends up, you know, crawling on the ceiling.
You know what I'm saying? It's these people don't know what they don't know what they're messing with.
Yeah. And then and then everybody wants to feel sorry for them when they get fucked up.
None of us know we're messing with, you know, to be truly isn't that the army saying you're right.
Fuck around and find out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's a meme somewhere. SpongeBob. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. Now, tell me a little bit about the medium situation that you were going to talk about.
OK, this is where things get interesting.
Up until about 2017, one of my personal unspoken goals was to always have a psychic medium or sensitive person on one of my teams or my investigations.
And the whole purpose of that was so I could debunk every single time they tried to claim that they were feeling, seeing or hearing something.
Yeah. So I'd always make them go in blind, no history on a location. The only person we never briefed before we went in was the medium psychic.
What have you? Yeah. I've only worked with three total that I can actually say.
I believe we're entirely legit.
One of them is an expert because she has now passed away. Oh, the other one, the other male is an expert because he has also now crossed the veil to be with his wife, Lorraine.
So those two are I mean, demonology is an iffy subject for me, too. But as far as active results and and documented results with a medium, you cannot you can't argue with with that work.
And then the other one is actually the gal that was on my my last incarnation here in St. Louis of the team and 100 percent legit.
Now, here's the irony. I was like the.
Who is that guy that he offers? I think it's up to 10 million dollars now to anyone that can prove that they're a semi-pernetic.
What was his name? James. Yeah, James. Thank you. And I think that bounty is still out there.
It is. I was kind of the James Randi of what we were doing at the time and throughout the years because I never believed that every time they would say, oh, there's a little girl over there.
And then, you know, that type of stuff. Yeah. So in 2017, my investigations had slowed down.
I was getting the rap. I was getting ready to wrap up a career in that outside of my normal full time job.
And I had an experience one night that I can only describe as an out of body experience.
I was a athlete between R.M. and and consciousness. Yeah. And I could feel myself leave my body, my physical body.
And as as the story always goes, I remember turning around and looking down and there were there was me looking at me.
Yeah. With the silver. And then. Yeah, actually, actually, yes.
And when that happened, I slammed back into my body and jolted, you know, like when you have those falling dreams.
Dude, what did I say to you? Did I not say that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So I had one of those. I had that happen to me, which it wouldn't be the first time, but I never understood what it was about, really.
And then a few weeks later, I saw a little girl in my backyard.
And I said, OK, she doesn't look like any of the neighbor kids.
She's wearing a little sundress, you know, I couldn't really pin down the period or time that it may have been from because it it looked normal.
So I went out the back door to see what the hell was going on.
And I saw one of these kids in my backyard and she turned to me and she put her finger up to her lips and she shushed me.
So I started walking towards her and as I did, she turned around and just kind of dissipated.
And this was broad daylight. Now, my neighbor was standing.
Hold on. Hold on. Validate something for me, because I've watched the spirit dissipate from like complete solid before.
Does it not remind you of leaves being taken by the wind, the way they dissipate?
Like it's like it's like sometimes. Like it's weird.
Sometimes I've had that experience. Yes. Yeah.
Yes. And then there's other ones that evaporate like a mist.
So, yeah, this one, this little girl, this little girl, she evaporated like a mist.
It just yeah, she was there and then she was gone. And my neighbor was over over the other side and he says, Hey, who's that little girl?
You guys got staying at the house. And now I'm already stunned and in shock.
And I said to him, I said, well, Jerry, I said, I don't know who you're talking about.
But I think I just saw a little girl that, you know, that you might be referencing it.
And he said, wait, that's not she's not she's not staying with you.
I said, no. He said, well, I talked to her two days ago.
I said, what do you mean? What do you mean? You talked to her two days ago.
And he says, God is my witness. We had a full blown conversation over the fence.
And I said, about what? He said, well, she said she was staying here with you.
And I won't say my ex girlfriend's name, but you know, you froze.
Damn right. The good part where I hate. Oh, no.
The spirit. Come back. It's spirit. Oh, man. Spirit.
I'm telling you, once you Astro project, once you that is accomplished, you're more able to open your third eye more.
So that's why he's starting to see that stuff. Oh, 100 percent.
I'm telling you. Hold on. Oh, there he is. He's moving now.
He's moving now. All right. Oh, it was.
Well, everyone, sorry for the delay. But yeah, that is absolutely wild. That is crazy stuff.
And oh, my gosh, because there's so many accounts of that happening, like where people have this conversation with spirit.
And, you know, it's like, oh, I agree, man.
I've seen it. The white mess that he's explained. I've seen that in my house.
I've seen it at locations. Yeah.
I just not afraid of it anymore. You know, like at first I was kind of terrified of it.
Yeah. And Mark, I don't know what's going on, but your camera's not showing up.
It's it's spirit fucking with them. Yeah, it really is.
He's giving all the secrets away. You right.
He was about to give the secrets away to life. And all of a sudden the girl was like, you know, cut his feed.
The men in black. But you know, here's the messed up part. If I take him off the screen in the background, he's moving and he's fine.
That's the weird part. I don't see. He looks frozen like he's holding his hand to his head.
Well, anyway, until he comes back, everyone, that was totally insane because we're just talking about this little girl and how, you know, he saw her and she dissipated.
And then all of a sudden, the neighbor the next day literally was like, yeah, what are you talking about? That little girl's not staying with you.
She told me she was staying with you and they had a full blown conversation that all of a sudden he's going to tell us about the conversation.
And then boom, just cut out. I'm telling you.
And he has not done crap for three years with paranormal, dude.
That's the crazy thing. He hasn't done any investigations or anything.
And all of a sudden he's talking about his experience. It just cuts off. Yeah, this is all we see. This is it. We just see a black screen.
He hasn't called back. So I hope spirit didn't take him. I hope he's not fighting something crawling on the ceiling or something.
I know, right? Because he said he would run for that.
Well, anyway, the Broncos won all you Bronco fans out there.
There you go. But anyway, everyone on a note, on a crazy note. Yeah.
Chris says no ceiling crawlers. You're absolutely right. Anyway, from anyone who was watching and got to catch all that, I know we have like nine people watching.
And I know you guys know he's back. Oh, he's back. Hold on. Let's bring him on forward. Let's see if he's back.
Oh, he's back. Oh, yes.
You know how bad the Internet is here.
So we're in a really I'm actually at work and we're in a very old golf course country club.
So the Wi-Fi up here is really bad. I apologize, guys.
We thought the little girl attacked you because you were about to tell us what the conversation was about.
And then all of a sudden she's standing here in front of me and she's about to look.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At least it's not crawling on the ceiling. Right.
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, we're not doing that.
So Chris, finish the story and tell us what the little girl say to the neighbor.
That sounds like a joke. They just had a full blown conversation.
He said for like five minutes that she was she was staying with me and my ex and she was going to stay at the house for the summer.
And that was about it. And I said, well, that's that's I didn't want to this guy.
Now, this guy's old school, so I didn't want to freak him out or, you know, make him think I'm the nutty neighbor next door.
So we just kind of left it at that. I said, yeah, yeah, she went home.
What else am I supposed to say?
She's gone. She went home. It's all good.
Yeah, she apparently she was staying with us. I didn't know. So, yeah, it was quite interesting.
My goodness. But that's one of the more lighthearted things.
After after that, I started hearing, feeling and seeing more things. And I don't know if you heard me earlier.
Right before I cut out, I said that I felt like my third eye was finally opening.
And yeah, why was I right?
Why was I right? Because here I am getting out of the field.
And now I'm seeing, hearing, feeling and able to communicate with spirit.
And if I don't put my blinders up at any given moment, I can be approached by any given spirit.
It's really odd. I've never expected to experience that.
It's because they know that you help them. You know, you were doing it for the right reasons.
Your intentions were good and they don't want you to go, you know.
My favorite thing about it, I have to say, is that my accuracy, the few times I've utilized my gifts, has been pretty darn good.
And then sometimes when it wasn't very good in the moment,
later on the person that I was communicating with on this plane would contact or reach out to me and say,
Hey, remember I told you, you were wrong about that? Well, I talked to my mom last week.
So, you know, that's happened a few times.
But when I relay messages or do any type of reading for anyone, I'm giving them the information that the spirit is giving me.
So everything that they're saying to me or show me is being given to the client or the friend or the associate or whoever I am trying to help out.
I had a very strange experience one time, though. I will tell you this one.
I was on grocery shopping at a local market here in Alton.
And this guy in a jumpsuit, like a mechanics outfit, was standing back by the meat counter and he kept staring at me and staring at me.
And I just kind of ignored him. I mean, he was playing his day as you guys are here with me.
And I didn't really think anything about it.
But this lady came out of one of the aisles with her two children. She had a small, maybe one year old child in the seat and then a seven or eight year old child with her.
A very nice Caucasian lady. Her kids were beautiful, mixed children.
And this and then it dawned on me that this guy in this mechanic suit, well, he's African American.
And I can't I can't remember what is what his name was on his name patch, but he looked like he had been doing some work.
You know, he had crease stains and all that. Yeah. So he starts pestering me to go into the aisle to ignore him.
And I turn around and he's standing right here in front of me.
Wow. So he turns his head and he looks back to the lady and the two kids and he points.
He hasn't said anything to me. He hasn't localized anything to me. I haven't been given any vision, nothing of that nature.
But I felt this ultimate sadness. And I turned back around to put something in my car and I turned back around and he was gone.
Well, so I hear a voice from behind me, a large booming voice. This man was about six to six, three, built like a brick shed house.
Look like you could tear the horns off of our antlers off a bear with his bare hands alive.
And so I hear this voice from behind me says, I, I needed to tell her that I love her.
I'm like, oh shit. Is this really happening right now in a grocery store? This is a mom and pop story.
So I'm I look like the crazy fucker talking to myself because nobody can see this guy.
So a little humor there, but it gets more intense. I walk over to the lady and I say,
ma'am, uh, I don't know you. You don't know me. And I put my hands up and you know, non-threatening. I said, I, I just, I need to ask you a question.
Yeah. So she said, okay, what? And I said, do you know? And I can't remember his name. He said, yeah, that's my husband.
I said, okay. He wants me to tell you that he's sorry that he passed away on the river while he was working on one of the barges and that it wasn't his fault.
And it wasn't his coworkers fall. And he's also sorry that he never got to meet his son.
So I don't know this woman from, from Adam or Eve. And he says, you know, tell her my kids names. So I tell her her kids names and her name.
I said, I, he's telling me that he got into an accident on the barge almost two years ago. And that's when he left. He left you and he's very sorry, but he loves you.
And this woman burst into tears because I gave her a description of this man. At the time I saw it. I still had a Chicago driver's license.
So I said, look, I'm not from here. I just moved here six months ago.
And so she broke down and hugged me, hugged me and thanked me. And then that's when the one that was seven or eight year old looked up there. She was the little girl says, what did she say?
Oh, is daddy coming home? Cause he's over there. And she points over to the deli counter where he's standing.
So that, that all happened out of nowhere. Needless to say, I haven't grocery shopped there in a long time.
Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, yeah.
The good thing though is I have seen this woman and her children from time to time since that happened.
And we each will meet eyes and she'll smile and I'll give her a wink and she'll, she'll wave. And it's like an unspoken, an unspoken thing, which is very, very sweet, very tender.
So very, very interpersonal.
That is awesome. So, you know, you know, it shows that there, even though you have experienced some negative side of this field, you know, the love and the amount of love that you experienced in this field is more vast than the hatred and all the other stuff that you have seen and dealt with, with what's going on with this field.
So it's so good to hear that. And I'm really happy to hear, you know, what you've shared with us today. That was awesome.
Well, thank you guys so much. I mean, this has been what six months trying to get me on the show.
I know, man. I really appreciate it.
Well, no, I want to bring you back on because you have some evidence that is still available on your hands, correct?
Yeah. Yeah.
I would like to bring you back on and I would like to do a show where we could just show some of the evidence if we could.
Yeah. Yeah. So what I'll do is when we get off of this, I'll message you on messenger and we'll set up a date immediately because I have dates all available and we'll get you set up for that so that we don't have to wait six months again.
Yeah.
So, but I'm getting pretty old so my time is limited.
I'll be 47 in two months.
Yeah. Well, so you know how I'm feeling. There you go. There you go.
Well, hey, Mark, thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it. And thank you so much for what you're sharing.
My pleasure.
It's the truth and I appreciate it a lot.
My pleasure.
Yeah, man. Thank you so much.
Yeah, my pleasure. And if you guys would like to check out how I got my journey started,
I believe my episode of paranormal survivors being replayed somewhere on TV.
So look out for that.
Awesome. Yeah.
You know the episode number and season by chance.
Oh yeah episode are on season two episode six child victims.
By the way, I'm the only person I believe that's ever said I shit my pants on live television.
This is going to be awesome to watch. See, so we have definitely a lot to go over.
So we will have you on the next coming weeks. I appreciate you, Mark. And until then, we'll talk to you soon.
Yes. Thank you.
Absolutely, man. Take care of you guys. God bless.
Bye.
Thank you.