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What's going on everybody? This is AJ Capasso here. Thank you guys for watching another episode of Talking With A Source.
I'm here always with my good friend. Please introduce yourself, my friend.
Thank you. Jonathan Keyworth, JK 47 Paranormal. Go Broncos!
Mr. Robin, he's the other tripod to our talk show here. We miss you brother and we wish you the best and can't wait for you to get back.
Yeah, amen, amen. So, prayers for him and his family. Just watching over his family right now. We just wish him the best and he will be back sometime in October.
Hey, Des, how are you? Thank you for watching. Thank you, man. How are you? Hey, Emma, how are you? I hope everything is well. Hope to talk to you soon.
Just want to say real quick, we have two amazing guests that are coming on tonight. Two renowned paranormal researchers. They're from the UK. Two amazing guys. Amazing friends of mine.
Brothers. I wouldn't even call them friends. I'd call them family. They're part of the Global Ghost Hunt. They also are part of the Shadow Podcast, which you guys need to check them out.
They have Patty Negri on, who is actually filming with Zach Baggins right now. Who may be popping in tomorrow night during their show. So, who knows? We'll see. You never know.
So, we're going to check it out though and see what's good. But Patty Negri is coming on, so you're not going to want to miss their episode. It's going to be absolutely awesome.
But let me bring them forward real quick. First, I want to introduce from the Patrol Paranormal. It is Big Rob, Rob Hodges.
Hello. Sup, Rob? You alright, guys? Good, good. Should we bring on the other one or should we just leave him in the back?
Leave him in the back. He's not allowed to. Oh, alright. Oh, no. Biggest senior number one still. Yeah, right. At least he's still number one. That's all that matters, right?
Yeah, yeah. We'd better bring him up, otherwise they'd cry. I know. Alright. Anyway, another paranormal researcher that is very renowned and awesome. And he's from the UK as well.
Also, a brother of mine, like I said before, is Nando Desario. He's been a co-host on the show. Nando, how are you, my brother?
Hey, I'm good. How are you, guys? It's been a while since we've spoken. I know. It's been a while since we debated. Yeah.
Well, we're having a debate in the background already, weren't we? We were having a debate, which we're going to bring up in a minute.
So, basically what we're talking about in the background, everybody, was we're talking about how Zach might, you know, pop into this show tomorrow night with Patty Negri, and we're talking about what everybody thinks of Zach Bagans right now.
And a lot of people are angry and, you know, are mad at him because of the whole Nick situation that's going on and also because of the way that he runs the paranormal scene and certain things.
So, we're having a little debate about that. So, you know, do you want to, does anyone want to pop it off or should I pop it off? What do you guys want to do?
Well, as you two are the hosts, you two can start off the conversation and we can start it in the loop.
Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I wish some point, I wish some point during his career, you know, the 27 seasons that he has, I wish that he got some acting lessons, you know, so it could be a little more believable sometimes.
But, you know, they do get some great stuff though, because I'm friends with Jeff Conkle and he does their equipment for them and they've got some pretty interesting stuff, man.
You know, but it's that team, they work together, you know, and I think they do catch some credible stuff. I just think his acting skills.
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm sorry.
Go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. No, please, please go ahead, Rob, please.
Yeah, I think I watched a couple of their, their recent ones, where I think it was.
They were in an abandoned, like building complex.
And they were saying that no one was up there and there was no and then they were sitting in the van but then there was this guy, like later on in the early hours of the morning was walking around the corridors.
And the debunkers here in the UK.
When that guy's Aaron, it's exactly the same, same shape build facial features. So why is Aaron walking around in a vest looking like a homeless person in a haunted hotel at night.
Just because nothing had happened for the period that they were there so it was like all of a sudden, Aaron's appeared and he's doing that. But other than that, you know, fair play to him he's made his millions doing what he does so.
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.
Go ahead now.
No, no, do you know what, like you said, he's made his millions he's done what he's done. But for, you know, if we look at the way we investigate, you know, we do it in the sense of we go in with an open mind, we, we understand the location that we're in.
Yeah. Now, as I was saying in the background, we in the port to the paranormal we've investigated the location called with her in manner, you know, and it's got some dark history in there, you know about nuns priests, you know,
doing the beach, shall we say and then, you know, committing illegal abortions up in one of the attic rooms, and you get the feel of a dark presence in the building.
You know, but if that was to be put on TV they're very quick to say, this is demonic, this is demonic this is evil but yes it's evil, but it's not demonic.
You know, I think people need to take a step back and, you know, understand the location the history, because when you look at the history of with her in manner, and you piece together the evidence that you're getting.
You can clearly make it something to do with this priest because he's quite, you know, or the, you know, what was there before was quite evil and it's continued.
And my problem with the TV is that, you know, yeah, they may be doing their investigations, they're, they're trying to do right but as soon as something happens it and the screaming and, you know, running around like like like a headless chicken.
You know, don't get me wrong. And I don't know if Dan might say but then you run around when you get, I get scared because I'm very new to it all still, you know, I'm still learning, you know, but every five minutes when something happens it's a scream it's a big commotion,
you know, it's not like that and the problem is, when when people are watching that and they're getting drawn into it, or they're seeing is like the real negative side of what can happen.
But like I was saying to you, AJ, you've done experiments where you've had family members come through. So they, for me, there is a beauty to the paranormal that's not being realized on TV sometimes, you know, and another example you know we did an investigation at Fort
William and we had the spirit box going, and the gentleman's voice come through. And it was one of the guest dads that come through, and he gave specific messages about this, his son, saying I'm still with you son, please make the right decision.
And you see the emotion come over on this guy, he started crying, you know, have all this acting to get something good. Just let it happen naturally. That's what I'm, that's my thing.
No, absolutely. And you know, and it's, you know, it's funny, like, the way that I look at it, okay, I like I was saying to you guys in back like, I don't blame him. And I don't blame him for his, the way that he acts kind of like when say oh there's something on me or when he's
ripping his shirt off he's acting kind of crazy for some reason. I mean, in all reality, do we really know what's going on in that moment okay honestly like do we really truly know if anything is really affecting him honestly no we don't because we're not truly him, but
does it look stupid as hell. Yes, it looks dumb as hell. But the thing of the matter is, is it like that for us really no it's not, but there is instances where that we do have scary moments that we may, you know, clinch or run or whatever because I do the same thing I mean I do get scared to you know like I've still been doing this
like you know, only like a decade but still I get scared. I don't like it. But the thing of the matter is is that you are right there's a beautiful side to this and they're not promoting that side they're promoting everything to be this demonic side now and it's going along with
what the movie side of Hollywood does, and it's always showing horror, horror, horror it's ever showing. Yeah, think about it every year there's, there's a demonic movie that comes out like either the conjuring the nun to there's always the exorcist, the
Pope's exorcist every year there's always something to, to keep that that belief going, you know and and like the stuff we've dealt with like like AJ when we went to the Montana State Prison, we were live that whole night it was just us too.
And we came down this one, this one path and they had mannequins that I forgot about and it scared the hell out of me I said oh shit, but I didn't run like a little bitch like AJ's laughing his ass off behind because he saw it.
I think, I think if he wanted to build his credibility up, he needs to do live, he needs to be live. Like we do, like we do. Yeah, and I think when you're bringing Hollywood into the equation, people need to realize Hollywood, it's not real.
Even these films that are based on true events, they embellish it and they add in to create them, but people are getting too drawn because it's saying based on true events they think all of it's real.
You know some of the stuff that happened in the conjuring down in the basement, you know the mum being possessed the way she was, that wasn't entirely true. That's not how it was done.
And I think people need to learn, like when you're watching, separate reality to film, you know, don't draw them in all together because then you get a misconception of what's real and what's not.
And that's where you lose the sight of what the paranormal is all about. You know, keep film separate, you know, yeah, great, they're doing a movie based on something that has happened.
But a lot of this stuff has been embellished to create that film and to get it on the TV, get it into the cinemas and you know create money out of it, but you still need to be sensible.
Like we do on investigations, you need to keep a level head at all times because just because you hear something or something, there could be a simple explanation.
You know someone slammed the car door shut as the as the sound travels as the noise travels, the sound changes. Yeah, we get it sounds like that.
That's what I'm saying. You need to explore. You just need to keep yourself in reality and realize that everything you see on TV is not, especially with the movies.
If you're based in the paranormal with movies, then well, you need to rethink that altogether, all together, just change your thought process. Yeah, what do you think Rob?
I think YouTube doesn't help either. As much as we all love YouTube, there should be certain words that they don't allow to be used.
Demon is one of them and dude is another one. Why does every American in a bloody YouTube video scream dude about a hundred times?
Well, I'm not gonna lie. I use dude a lot, so I can't say that. Yeah, it's my age gender thing. It's like Gen X type thing.
We grew up with dude with Michelangelo from the Noon Turtles. You know what the twin paranormal, everything they say is dude. Those guys are silly.
They have seen the problem with YouTube though, in my opinion, is they have they shouldn't be allowed to use certain words and phrases and stuff because they don't actually do paranormal investigating a lot of them.
A lot of them are just kids that go to these abandoned places and they'll just look around and then all of a sudden they'll just pretend to be these paranormal researchers or they'll have one little device with them.
They won't even know what the hell the device is because I have one podcast of all people. I'm not going to say the name of the podcast because it pissed me off.
The guy was talking about the PSV7 and he's talking about he didn't even know what the whole what ITC means.
And I'm like, how are you even what are you talking about right now? Like you have a device that's an ITD device in your hand, but you don't know what ITC even stands for.
That is fucking amazing to me. I'm like, I'm sorry. It just drives me insane.
But there's a lot of YouTubers that make me so upset because it's so fake.
They fake everything and a lot of them get been getting caught by themselves by their own stupidity.
I think the other thing that is being looked at at the moment are some of these sessions where people are contacting the dead within a matter of hours of them dying.
That are on YouTube. You know, you got a Kodi ITC and Paranormal, isn't it?
Or whatever it is. And people are like, you know, you're doing the WWE guy and you're contacting the people that died in the submarine within hours of it being imploded.
And people are like, if you're going to do it, at least let them, you know, be.
Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question on this back when what if it's on a quantum level, right?
Imagine since if we die, there is no space and time.
OK, imagine that. So what if an hour to us seems like such a short time for us to be able to contact them?
But what if we can contact them because what they've already experienced has already passed and went on because they're experiencing everything all at once.
So I don't think that that theory is kind of wrong that they can't do it. But I do think it is really stupid because it's like a lot of respect for the people.
Don't do it right away. You know what I mean? Like, especially for the queen.
Like, that was wrong, man. People they did it like within hours of the queen dying.
I'm like, come on, man, their family is going to be watching this. You know what I mean?
You know what I mean? About the respect and they don't get anything because their intentions are in the wrong place.
That's one of my key focuses is when I try to help whoever I'm helping on my spirit box, I go in with the attention.
I'm here to help you. And that's why I get such such clear responses, you know, and they actually are engaging.
Yeah, but the thing the thing the thing what they're doing there with, you know, with the Queen, how quick they did it, the the Titanic submarine, you know, they're not doing it because they want to communicate.
They they're doing it because of the algorithm. They know what's going to be trending on YouTube. They know what's going to be trending.
So as soon as they put in the Queen responds, they know all someone needs to do is put Queen in a search bar and that's going to come up straight away because they've got that near.
So they're doing it in this disrespectful way. That is not the way they should be doing it.
They're capitalizing on someone's death. At the end of the day, she was the Queen, but she was still a mother, a grandmother, a sister.
She was a human being. She was a person. Yeah.
And they use in her death to gain viewers. They and I think, you know, if that's what you're about, you should be out of the public eye completely.
That's wrong. Well, not even that. It is a bad rep for all of us.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. You know, and like you said, you should not be doing it.
You know, I don't know how to put this. You know, she has just died.
She hasn't been led to rest or anything or her family being able to process what is taking place.
And that was a big, big thing, you know, across the whole world across, let's be honest, across the whole world, really.
Yeah. But to do that and then to put it online straight away. You're stupid.
You're absolutely stupid. No, yeah, the same thing. More.
I mean, come on, I'm ready for you.
Oh, yes. Here it goes. Here comes the battle.
AJ knows. AJ knows what I'm like. If I don't like that.
And you know, Robert, if I think someone is wrong, I'll say that is stupid.
And a lot of people are very patriotic, you know, and to see that because and they use it in the way the you know, the algorithm works, the way the search engine works and they're playing it to their advantage.
But they're forgetting about how people are suffering and more than a loss.
Well, both both the two that bearded looked at, which is the half and Cody both have fundraising attached to each of their videos as well. But it doesn't tell you what the fundraising is going to.
And that's what that's what people are tearing apart. They're like, well, all right, you're you're raising money.
But what you're raising money for, because there's nothing in your description as to where the money's going. But you're asking for donations. Are you giving it to a charity that is something to do with WWE or are you pocketing the money?
Yeah.
And when they've been asked, go on podcasts and they don't go on.
Just remember what goes around comes around. So if you're if you're doing this in the wrong intentions that that energy is going to come around and it's going to bite you in the ass. Oh, yeah.
It's a bitch. Karma's a bitch when it comes right around.
I want to ask you guys about this theory. Okay, there's a theory called the egg theory. Have you guys ever heard of the egg theory?
Okay, so the egg theory is technically I hope I get this right. Basically, it's you are the only consciousness and you're basically your reality is being made.
You made up your reality. So all your friends and family are basically just made up in your head.
And you're basically one consciousness that's just living through different lives. And you've lived your cousin's life, your mother's life, your father's life.
You've probably have billions of lives. And one day you'll be able to once you live every single life, you'll be able to be God like almost.
It's kind of it's like called the egg theory. So being one consciousness you technically there's not another person around like we're not separate people or just one person.
But we're the same person. But, you know, I'm just making you of you guys up right now on a screen like you guys look, you know what I'm saying?
So what do you guys think about that kind of theory? That theory is a little wild, isn't it? I saw that today. Red pill, blue pill, isn't it?
That's the matrix. Yeah. Which one are you going to take and which?
I mean, I've experienced stuff that that shouldn't have happened, you know, and and I talked with Laura Lee last night about this too, because I believe that this is my universe.
You know, everything that I want to come into my life, I can manifest into my life. So I don't think you're far off, AJ.
It's just different verbiage, you know, as far as these theories. But but I truly believe that that that, you know, I'm welcoming you guys to my universe.
That's why we're all able to sit here and communicate. And, you know, when I go to locations, I can tune in and get these feelings about about a hallway or a room and and sure as shit.
I get shit because it's my universe. And this is where I'm feeling it. You know, I think we are in path, don't we?
So we all believe what what we want to believe. You know, we it's like we're all in this room now because we're all friends.
We all have the same interests. If if I wasn't interested in the paranormal, I probably wouldn't be in this room.
So we're choosing who we're who we're bonding with. Like when we go, me and Nando are going away at the weekend.
We're going to the Festival of the Unexplained. We'll be there with lots of other paranormal and UFO enthusiasts because we'll think about it.
If you go on a quantum level, the same way that a water molecule is made, it's not made with one one element.
It H2O. It takes three elements to make to make that drop of water. You know.
Well, so wait, so check this out. What if, right?
What if say God and like what we would call God, OK, it's a stream of consciousness.
OK, just say that and say that we're an extension of that stream of consciousness, each and every one of us.
OK, and we're all experiencing an individual perspective of our realities all individually.
But because we have that same stream of consciousness where the extension of that source energy,
we have the same energy to create worlds just like the universe has been created.
Whatever this reality is created is inside of us, meaning that God is one with us always and two,
meaning that he is experiencing life through us individually in each and every moment,
through each and every one of our lives simultaneously and understanding it all at once.
And the reason why I say this is because when I had my near death experience,
when I was going through the tube like this, what I would call tube space time, what it looked like kind of thing,
it's like a tube and I was having a life review.
It was having pictures come up like this really fast, just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to.
But I couldn't see them like like see them.
But because I could understand them individually so quickly,
I was able to retain all the information from what I saw was from the beginning of creation to the end of my life.
And I thought it was absolutely wild.
And it's just like it makes me wonder, like, you know, what about that?
Like, what do you guys think about that?
That's deep.
That that's yeah.
It is.
You know what? I think we experience life in different ways to the person that we are.
Right. Yeah. So you see it.
The way I see that if I was expressed the way I see my life,
I think I've been put here to go on the course of different paths.
And, you know, I'm concerned with different situations.
And then I ultimately I choose that path and see what happens.
I think my life is more like I see it as a challenge.
You know, I'm faced, you know, and that's what my life is about is overcoming challenges,
which makes me a stronger person.
You know, and I think that's what he has planned for me, because he knows I can overcome anything.
Regardless of how difficult it is. And I think that's what the way I see life is.
You know, and I say to a lot of people when, you know, we can draw this into out of the paranormal
when you're struggling with life, it's a process that you're being challenged to overcome.
And I think the reason we go through those challenges is to overcome them and show that we can do it.
We're not as weak as what we think we are.
Does that make sense? You know what I mean?
We're as strong as this.
And I think people feel negativity more because of the kind of people around them.
And I think that's what I think if we're using religion and God, I think God does that to show us
this is what you don't need to make yourself strong and avoid that and then carry on on your path.
You know, I've come, you know, if we if I look at my past, I've gone up and down hills and, you know,
I've gone to the bottom and think, oh, I'm still going.
Yeah. But, mate, even that and, you know, I've hit the button and I do believe that it was those points
when the paranormal started playing a part in my life, you know, seeing things with instead of it being God,
I think he knew I needed help. So family members come forward, you know, and I know it's people that might not believe in it,
might think it's crazy. But I'm telling you, I can vividly picture the people coming forward to me
and telling me if it was asleep when I've been awake.
And I think that's, you know, that's how my life is planned.
Now, if I struggle a little bit, I get a message sent across to me.
That's weird. I just thought he had a girl.
Oh, that's my daughter.
I was like, what the hell is that? I know. I was like, I saw it on the camera and I turned.
I was like, oh, thank God it's Avery.
Oh, OK. J.K.'s little one ran and I was like, what the hell?
That's it. That's the end of the show now. We've had our little scare.
I've had this TV turn off. I've had the cat balls go off. I've had strange light anomalies.
I had my beer koozie flew across my desk once during a live session.
Wow. I'm just like, I'm like, I love you, spirit. Thank you.
You know, it doesn't scare me anymore. I'm just like, what the heck?
What I would say, Nando, is that God must really hate you because he brought me into your life.
And you've got to put up with me now.
Hey, to be fair, you know what? You've been fun. It's been a laugh, but I agree with you.
But anyway, I have a question. What if, what if, though, you guys had a soul contract when you guys before you were ever born?
What if you had a soul contract that you guys were meant to meet for some reason for this reason?
Yeah, 100 percent believe that that is.
And if you don't mind, I can give you one scenario. Me and Sarah. Right.
Sarah has known me since I was a baby. You know, she was a family friend.
We went our separate ways for years. And every so often, Sarah like tells me that I remember seeing you at Domino's working.
I remember seeing you in the nightclub. I can't remember seeing her at all.
But then even with those years and then we grow up, we had our own relationships that failed.
And then we met each other. Like one day we got talking. My auntie said, look, Sarah's single. Why don't you, you know, send her a message?
Looked at her profile picture. She looked pretty, you know, but you never take a profile picture for what it is because you don't know who you're actually meeting until you've got them in front of you.
You know, Sarah telling us, watch the podcast now.
But you know what? I went and met her.
I fell in love with her straight away. And now 14 years down the line, we're still together.
But the thing, but what I'm saying, we've always been close to each other. Like we live near each other in the same areas a number of times.
When I moved back to England, she lived in the house opposite my auntie.
And, you know, she was always a part of my life, but not actually in my life at the time. Does that make sense?
So I think God knew that me and Sarah were meant to be together.
But he had to show us that we needed to go through these different relationships that were not right to for us to get to where we are today.
Yeah. You know, and again, don't don't get me wrong. There have been hiccups along the way.
And I think that's that's a higher power saying that we need to test this relationship to make sure you do belong together and that things are going to work.
Three kids later, you know, 14 years, 10 years of marriage. We're still together. So I do believe he had a big part to play in that.
See, I think here's the thing. If you're if you are your own universe, then then you'd be considered a god of your universe.
Right. So think about this. So back back. You know, what is it?
Three hundred A.D. when the Spartans were, you know, fighting in Persia and, you know, Christ and the church hasn't really got to them yet.
You know who they prayed to before Christ and stuff was was their ancestors.
They they asked their ancestors for help.
And so I started doing that before my spirit box sessions these last two weeks.
And I've got the sickest responses. Ask AJ.
He's the one that does the clips because I hate editing and I think it would be better if another person did my clips.
So, you know, what I heard live can maybe coincide with what he hears.
So, you know, I think that I think another thing, you know, just asking your ancestors to come and help you.
Yeah. Yeah. So tell me, I want to ask a controversial statement. This is one. Hey, Nancy, how are you?
I want to ask a controversial statement. Rob, I'm going to ask you this one question first to you.
I have to. You have you always go first. I have.
You can't give me the first because he talks too long. He's like me. OK.
I'll start now. Anyway, the question I'm saying, not the statement is, what is God to you?
Like, what is God? Like, is it a person to you? Is it a energy to you?
Is it a what to you? Because to me, it's an energy. So what is it to you?
I have to be totally honest. I'm still not 100 percent sure that there is a God there,
which is really weird because I look for ghosts and go paranormal.
But whether it's because obviously I'm gay and in the Bible, it's not one of them things.
So I don't go to church because, you know, that's yeah, I'm going to get struck by lightning if I go through the church.
But also it's I just think the amount of hassle we have on this planet with like wars and stuff like that.
I've always been like, well, if there's someone up there, why are you making all this happen?
Why are all the evil bastards getting away with it and innocent people are dying?
And but if if we're going to put the ball out there, he's he's an energy.
I don't think he's a person. I think it's an energy.
I think it's a big, big bubble out there that's guiding us all in a certain direction where we will end.
Who knows? Who knows where it's almost like a sick video game.
You know what I'm saying? It's like a sick video game.
It's just like it's like a simulation, like go ahead and just see what happens.
Like, oh, let me just throw a tornado in there today or like, you know, one of these in there.
Another quarter. Yeah, I know.
I get what you're saying. No, totally understandable.
Totally understandable. How about for you, Nando?
Because I kind of already know what you're going to say because of what you've already explained.
But go ahead and say what you're going to say. Yeah, I agree.
Like God is a for me, I see him as a real parrot, like an actual person or definitely an energy now.
But but something as a human, like was a human form at one stage.
Just to touch on what Rob's saying about, you know, the gay community with religion.
I think the problem with that is it's not actually the religion that's the problem.
You got to think when they rip the Bible and everything, that was a long time ago.
You know, since then, we have evolved as humans, as people.
And I think the same with God, he would still see you as one of his children.
If we're talking religion stuff, I think the problem is, is people, people stick to the words in the Bible, but they don't forget the Bible can't evolve because it's set in stone.
But people evolve and, you know, they're the change that we all, you know, religion has to adapt, you know, because things change in life.
It's just how it is. So I think that's more people that create the problem in those sort of like with other religions and people's sexuality.
That's not the God bit. That's my opinion.
But I think, you know, going back to it, you know, God is for me a person that sets challenges, but he wants us to do well.
And that's why we are challenged in the way we are sometimes and to to build our characters and become the people that we're meant to be.
I think if I didn't go through some of the stuff that I've gone through, I wouldn't have met Sarah.
I wouldn't have met most of the people in these in this chat room this evening.
You know, you know, I'm still trying to debate how I got with this one.
But anyway, you know, but now I think I think is a serious.
I don't even know how we did that. You know, I think, you know, I do believe it was a person, but an energy now.
Yeah, no, definitely. I totally feel you.
And you know what's funny is that so many people will always say about that, like especially over here.
Like I have I have a cousin who's who's gay.
And it makes me so mad when I hear someone who's a Bible thrumper try and come at you and say, well,
you're sinning or you're you're going to hell for that.
Like, do you not realize that man has twisted the Bible because so did you know that King James?
OK, King James, before he made the Bible, he made a book called Demonology.
It's actually a demonology book. And it's all about demons.
Right before he made the Bible, he twisted that shit into the way that he wanted it to be.
There's so many things in there.
There's a scripture in there that says that you can own a slave or I'm sorry, you can have sex with a slave.
As long as you pay the slave owner three shekels, you can technically be completely fine.
The slave lives. You're fine.
You don't get killed or anything for it.
But if you don't pay, then it's a problem.
You mean to tell me that there would be a God that's going to make a human a piece of meat, you know, that he's going to trade to another human.
I'm sorry. God.
There's no loving God that's going to do that.
That's going to be allowed.
So this Bible thing makes me so mad because it's been twisted so much by man and people don't even see it.
They take it so literal.
If the people would go and look at what Jesus said in Luke 19, 27.
OK, in Luke 19, 27, it would shock every single person, every single Christian, because he actually says in King James, one of the things it says, basically, if you do not follow me, I then slain my enemies in front of me,
which Jesus never would have said, slay my enemies in front of me, like kill and then the other other translations or kill my enemies in front of me.
Like, are you serious right now?
Like, people need to really stop doing that and putting that out there.
And that's what makes me so mad.
And I hate that the paranormal field has this like folklore still attached to it from this error because it's like it brings.
I think it brings the whole world down, number one, but it brings this field down to in my opinion.
It does. So I was saying to Nando before we came into the room for gay pride here, I changed all our logos and put the gay flags on.
And I had some followers that been subscribed to my channel for quite a long time and all of a sudden start sending me messages going, why are you filming that shit for? We don't want to watch gay pride.
We want paranormal stuff.
We're not following you anymore.
And they just one by one unfollowed me.
I lost about 10.
All right, it's 10 subscribers, but it's 2023.
Why the hell?
You don't need them in your life.
The thing is like, you know, that they're small minded people.
I'm sorry to interject.
You know, when when when when when something annoys me, I've got to say my piece.
You know, I'm fine.
At the end of the day, when we believe in so because we're not gay and, you know, but when we believe some people like it because, you know, at the end of the day, Rob being gay is no different to me and Sarah's relationship.
You love the same way.
Love is a feeling love doesn't change because you love a man or you love a woman.
You know, it's just stupid people, you know, and I think people need to draw weight.
But then what bothers me is, you know, you got a person.
Robert is a great guy.
You know, he genuine everything.
See the person that he is.
Yes, he's gay, but value who he is.
But then you've got someone like and I'm sorry to bring it there.
I don't know if you heard about the Lucy Lettby story in the UK.
She she she killed babies that she was a midwife or worked as a nurse and she was married and then stupid people.
I think I don't mean to be rude to any Americans, but I think it's an American site.
They set up a go from me because they think I'm like, well, you're criticizing someone for being gay.
That's not actually doing anything wrong and living his own life and being who he wants to be.
You want to fucking, you know, raise some money for a woman that killed innocent babies.
What's going on with your head? So, you know, come on, people get, you know, I know.
But yeah, so I mean, absolutely.
That annoys me. That annoys me. No, no, no.
And I'm sorry, but, you know, no, it annoys me.
It annoys the shit out of me, too, man.
And noises shit on me. That's why I got so passionate about it before, because it really does annoy me because people take the Bible
and they twist the good parts of what it really is stand for and what it really truly is supposed to mean.
And they twist it into some sick shit because they literally read it and think that God wrote this shit when it wasn't God.
It was a man. And they wrote it hundreds of years later after the fact when Jesus was dead,
after the fact when all these people were gone and everything was gone.
So who even knows if the stories of what they were even telling themselves then, I weren't watered down like phone book.
We used to play phone book in school, you know, or telephone game.
Telephone game. Yeah, you know, so it makes me so mad when someone crucifies another person because of that.
And it's like, come on, you know, I mean, it's so petty. It's like we're twenty twenty three. Get over this shit.
We got such bigger problems now. We're fighting over gender shit now.
Like this is who cares about the others?
I'm saying we got so much other stupid shit going on in the world that we should be caring about.
Then all this gender and all this stupid sex stuff that just come on, man, just get over it.
Aliens. That's what we've got to worry about now.
The aliens. Exactly. Aliens.
And I want to talk about that. Tell me, what do you guys are what do you guys experiencing over there with this UFO stuff?
Because over here, like we're getting like little bits and pieces, but we're you know, a lot of people are having sightings.
What about you guys? There was one documented. I saw it in the paper.
I think it was two weeks ago. Nando, maybe you read it.
It was over. I think Sarah was telling me about it.
Yeah, it was like three lights spotted over Swindon. Someone could make out that it had like an engine.
It was a weird shape. But the trouble was it was over an army base.
You've got people going could be a secret kind of plane that they built or something like that.
So, again, it's like it could it could be aliens. Who knows? But they're definitely here. I'm sorry.
Anyone that thinks that aliens are not real is in my mind stupid because we cannot be the only people in this entire massive universe, galaxy, whatever.
They're the only living organisms around. And we had wild Bill on, didn't we? A few weeks ago.
And we had such a great conversation with him. He was a guy, wasn't he?
We were like during the start of the podcast, I was like, oh, my God, because Bill started talking about some touchy subjects in the back room.
And I was like, goodbye, YouTube. It's been a pleasure.
We're about to get cancelled. But we went on and it was a good show.
And it's like anything about, you know, now in America, because there's all this stuff about Trump and Biden and elections,
all of a sudden they're going to start releasing stuff about aliens.
So you're forgetting about what's going on. Political.
We were having troubles over here with our government.
All of a sudden, the whole country is on a lockdown for Covid.
But our government are having cheese and wine parties.
Yeah, well, time years. Smoke and mirrors. Yes.
I think when we're talking about things like UFOs and everything, you know, I think like when the hype suddenly come out with with the science in America, when it was on TV and then people start really talk.
I think, you know, I think they use that more as a ploy to, you know, redirect people's, you know, thinking of what's really going on in the world and trying to mask your mask.
What's really going on with something that's not real.
But there's definitely something, you know, going on up there.
I do. Like Rob said, there's got to be something more. We can't be just the only.
I'm telling you, the things that we've been spotted that people have been spotting for decades now.
I mean, we have footage of it. I mean, they're not great footage, but, you know, recently we've been catching better footage, obviously, of these these crafts or whatever they want to whatever we want to call them.
And like some of them are like steel balls, like literally flying now. Like, and like that makes you wonder, like, what kind of technology is able to do this?
Like, OK, so the equator, right? Like the space station spins at like 17,500, like whatever miles an hour.
That's how it spins around the equator. So the whole thing is like, you know, if our earth was all of a sudden starts spinning like that, we would all kind of fly off the equator, all this type of stupid stuff.
So. If these things are flying faster than that or at the speed of that and then dropping down to ocean and then stopping at levels right above the ocean and then taking off in another direction, it's like that is totally unpause.
That's impossible. No human would survive the g force of that.
So it's like what is the technology? Number one, is there a human being or is not a human being, but is there a being inside of these craft?
Or is it just a drone type craft that they're sending out as a well, let me just surveil.
Like, is maybe who knows, maybe maybe the theory about a probe or like mess with our genome because like our whole junk DNA scientists don't understand why we have all these other chromosomes and like apes don't.
So I'm wondering, like, what if they did an experiment on us and they've been surveilling us for millions of years?
What if they literally like are surveilling us like like the Truman Show?
You know what I'm saying? With Jim Carrey. No, it's better to say.
We're not in a little cage on some spaceship.
But I think some of it like some sort, I think, could be with the Air Forces and things like that, you know, that are sending these drones out to make it look like you're there.
But in fact, they're just watching what everyone's doing, you know, you know, getting information about the way the world's working.
It's one of those things that is like the paranormal, you know, people fake things.
I think it's the same with UFOs as well, you know, but I think it's the government that are doing it, you know.
But there's definitely something out there.
Do I believe there's loads of different species and of aliens and things like that?
That I don't know. Like some of the stories that I've heard people talk and saying about how they've been abducted.
I think that's a bit crazy sometimes. But again, we don't know for sure.
We can only speculate and, you know, go with what we really think.
Yeah. But going back to J.K.'s comment about are we in a cage?
If we are, can someone turn down the heat and put the light bulbs on the right side of the cage?
So that's why you're hotter. I'm good.
Hey, listen, I'm just mad that I don't have a little juggle ball in mind. OK, I'm a little pissed.
I'm a little mad.
You've been running circles your whole life.
True. You're right. I have been running circles my whole life.
But anyway, what I wanted to ask you guys was, so you guys have, you know, the Shout Out podcast.
Tell us a little bit about what it's about.
You know, I know you guys have a great connection, man.
Both of you. I mean, Rob, you're hilarious. You're always joking with Hernando.
Hernando's always joking back. I love the connection, man. It's just totally great.
It's great to see the light and the mood up, even though we're talking about serious stuff.
And it's great to have the serious talks because sometimes they need to be had.
And people do need to get out of their way sometime.
And I think we all get our own way sometime.
And I just think that it's good to get told kind of the truth sometimes so that we can maybe reset and become better.
You know what I mean? And it's not to say that we're not here for love or that we're not about love because we totally are.
But it's just, you know, some things are annoying and we have to say it. Right.
So that's about what your podcast is, man. I love your guys connection and I appreciate you guys for coming on.
So please tell us about your podcast.
So I think I rang Nando up and said, do you fancy doing a podcast?
And Nando was like, why me? I was like, oh, thanks. All right.
Then we wanted to do we wanted to do something different.
So then I set about finding guests and then Nando just sits there like every week, like on a on a Thursday or a Friday.
Nando will say, so who we got on on a Monday? And I'll tell him a name and he just sit there going, oh, fuck, I don't want to go on.
They're controversial. And so now he wants to do other things.
He's like, can we do some jump scares or or can I pick someone to come on that's not really fun?
Because we had I don't know if you guys have seen him on YouTube, a guy called Beardo.
I have a baby. He's a nice guy. He's a debunker, a paranormal investigator.
And he plays a lot of paranormal games on YouTube. Oh, I know who you're talking about, actually.
Yeah. OK. Yeah. And we had him on the show and Nando was like, is this a good idea?
And he's like, yes, it is. He's a lovely guy. And we've had five hundred and eighty odd views with him on.
Yeah. Literally people. Yeah.
I think when I started doing well, when Sarah started doing
Talk to the Paranormal for the podcast and the way we sort of done it, it's always been about the paranormal and, you know, people's experiences.
And it's the most common sort of way of doing the broadcast of what we do. But, you know, Rob has brought it into a different kind of like some of the guests that he's had on, you know, while Bill great guy.
But when you watch some of the conversations that you have when he's on other people's shows, it's just like, wow, this is touching dangerous waters.
And maybe it's just the way I think. But I think when Rob brought it up, it was, you know, I thought, yeah, this would be fun. We have a laugh with it.
We'll be trying. I think what we're doing a little bit different is trying to bring reality into it as well.
So for me at the moment, I'm being a big advocate about men's mental health, you know, and, you know, and I get it.
You know, when I'm passionate about something, I do tend to really express that because I do have a strong belief that, you know, people need to realize, you know, the way you are with a person may not affect you.
But you leave a lasting impression on that person that you're beating down, you know, and and it's not good.
There's too many people, you know, especially men, you know, I don't know about the state, but in the UK, the percent of men that are committing suicide because of society with the way man up.
And, you know, so I do tend to touch on that quite a bit with Rob.
We have got the special coming up, haven't we? The mental health special.
Yeah. And I think that's what's what's in our own ways. We've experienced hard things that have happened to us that we shouldn't have gone through, you know, and I think that that drew a connection there because, you know, Rob's had something I've had something for them.
We've we've felt the disconnection when it comes to getting the support from because the way people look at things.
You know, so I think that's I think that's made the show better because of that connection.
And we just have a laugh like, you know, we don't know what's up.
It's not but, you know, for me, it's like getting to the Thursday and I'm like, oh, shit, I've got a message in and see who he's got on.
And then when I go and look into them and I'm like, oh, my God, what am I going to say on this one?
To be fair, it's been fun. It's been it's been a good it's been a good laugh.
You know what I've learned from doing the podcast for so long now that, you know, you don't have to worry about what's going to be said.
It's what's going to be said is going to be said and it's going to make total sense.
You know what I mean? It's going to be what was meant to be.
And that's why I've always went to towards this with no kind of script or anything like that.
I've always just like to have people on, have a regular conversation with everyone about certain things, have some questions that, you know, I want to throw out and say certain things.
But really just to have a conversation is a bunch of friends because I think a lot of times in this field, we are so divided in this field.
Everyone's against everyone. It's such a big competition.
Who's going to be the best?
Everyone's got to have the most views, the most subscribers.
And, you know, it's good to have people on to have good friends on and make good friends like you guys.
And I truly appreciate that. But when can we check out your podcast, man?
So the one tomorrow night at nine o'clock, our time, which is for your time.
And that's with Patty Negri tomorrow.
And it's every Monday. Yeah. Every Monday, nine, nine o'clock.
You know, you can check us out. It's it's a laugh.
You know, if you want to have a laugh and, you know, it's good fun.
Like I said, we don't take it too seriously. We just enjoy, you know, and it's just be kind to us.
Just be kind to everyone and just have a lot like we're doing tonight.
You know, I think touching what you're I think what you said about people trying to be the best, you know, if that's what you're in it for, that's fine.
But keep it to yourself. Stop going around trying to, you know, blast other people because of your own insecurities or because you think you're right.
Because 95 percent of the time you're not right and you're wasting your time more than anyone else.
Because, you know, I'm sure people got stuff to say about me.
But crack on. I've got a good family. I've got a good group of friends.
You want to waste your time talking about me. You're just letting people know who I am.
Yeah, that's it. There you go.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Amen. Clip that right there.
That was what it was. Nando right there.
Twenty twenty four. I'm making a president.
You know, but you know, I think I love you guys.
You're right. You're absolutely right.
And to be short, just make the most of what we got because we don't know when it's going to end.
You know, and and, you know, one thing I would say is anyone's trying to don't live with regrets.
You know, learn from what's what you failed in and do something different.
Don't regret it. No, just keep pushing.
So so here's my my favorite saying of of all time.
How do I go? The future is a mystery.
The past is history. I live right now because it's a gift.
That's why they call it the present.
That's good. That's good. I like that one.
You know, I don't think I could end the podcast any better like that, man.
But one thing I need to ask you guys is I need to guys.
I need to have you guys back on because I want to show just an episode of your guys evidence from your guys teams.
I'm sure you guys would like to come back on. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
We can do that. All right. Yeah, I would love to do that.
I'll show you guys this when we get over. And I just want to thank you guys for coming on.
I mean, it's been absolutely awesome.
I mean, we've got really deep in a lot of stuff, man, and I really appreciate it.
You know, sorry that me and Nando get heated and we get really deep about it.
We got it, man. We got it.
That's the point. If you hit a subject that I, you know, it's going to.
Yeah, yeah. Hey, same way. Same way.
We have to support our friends, man. We have to support our friends no matter what.
You know what I'm saying? And I don't care what it is in life. It doesn't matter.
I don't care if my friend goes out and kills somebody. They're still my friends.
Like, I mean, if they make the mistake of doing something wrong, you know, obviously, I'm going to call them stupid.
I'm going to mount on it. But they're my friend.
And in the end, that's what matters to me. I love you. You're my friend.
That's all that matters, you know, and that's the kind of message that we like to send out here.
But thank you guys, man. Appreciate you guys for coming on.
Thank you for having us.
Definitely. See you guys soon.
See you later. See you later.
Wow, man. Awesome. Awesome thing today, man. I got a little, I got a little heated, which I love.
That was awesome. But definitely a fun time, man. What did you think? What was your thoughts?
Dude, everything that we talked about, it just all like what I'm feeling.
I don't know of a spirit, but like it's all on you.
Like if you want to see that UFO, like if you want it, you got to manifest it and then it will happen.
Like everything that we talked about, it's it's all on us, I believe, you know, and just from speaking with Laura Lee so much in the last couple of weeks and, you know, all the readings that I got from Sam and, you know,
and just my experiences and what my life's going through, like, like I'm 100 percent sure that, you know, God or whatever, I call it the source because it's the source of all the energy, you know, and, you know, people call it God.
People call it Allah. But whatever you call it, if you if you if you ask for it and you believe in your heart when you're asking for it, it's going to come to you.
Just a matter of time. Just a matter of time.
You just got to learn patience, right?
Yeah. Oh, God. Don't even talk about that word. That word is deadly.
But anyway, absolutely right. You know what? We're not just on some spaker, space rock and nothingness and infinite nothingness.
We are more powerful than we think. And I truly believe that I truly believe that we are definitely our consciousness is way more way more, you know, important than we even know. So, Nancy, thank you so much for sticking through and watching with us.
We really appreciate that. I love that you comment. It's really awesome. Amazing. We truly, truly appreciate that. So thank you so much.
We just want to say thank you. We hope you everyone has a good night. And until next time, we are talking with the source.
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