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Hi everybody, this is AJ Capasso here. You are watching another episode of Talking with the Source. I'm here with my two best friends. Please introduce yourselves.

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Go ahead Robin. Robin from Half-Firm Paranormal or as AJ likes it, it's Robin from Half-Firm Paranormal or I'm Talking with the Source.

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Dude, he turned around in a chair last week, right? And he had a cat in his hand. I didn't add him to the screen quick enough because I didn't know he was going to do it.

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But anyway, too funny, but please John, go ahead. Hey everybody, Jonathan Key with JK 47 Paranormal. Also host of Targeting with JK 47.

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I'll send the link in the comments if you want to join the group. I got a big session planned for July 20th. I'm going to try to communicate with Bruce Lee. So that was the day he died. So we'll see if that works.

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Nice.

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Thank you for the whole world to watch. And it's basically live investigations of your choice of a haunted location of your choice, obviously, like I said.

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And it's going to be absolutely awesome. We had one in May and now we're going to have one in October. It's going to be a yearly thing. So please come and join us. We have some amazing teams, amazing locations that are a part of it.

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And like I said, go to www.globalghosthunt.com. But Robin, introduce our guest.

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He is a member of the Warren Foundation.

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Ed and the Ryan Warrens Foundation.

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All around nice guy.

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Bill Slevin.

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Awesome. Let's bring him forward.

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Hello, Bill.

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How you doing?

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Good. How you been?

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Good. Good. Thank you for having me on.

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And he lives in Florida, which is a bonus.

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And he's been in bad.

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Bill, the first thing I want to start off with is something that we always kind of start off with, gives us a little background to everybody. But how did you get into the paranormal? What, you know, pulled you forward into this field?

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Well, I started I've been doing this actually investigating for about 35 years.

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I was young. I, you know, like we always say, it's it wasn't on TV. We didn't have TV shows and have Internet back then. So it wasn't talked about a lot.

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I had some of my own experiences that I didn't know what they were. I was raised in a Catholic family and you know, you didn't talk about that too much.

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I think you were crazy or you were, you know, trying to contact the devil or something. You know, they weren't they weren't real too, too, you know, keen on it. But I'm an empath.

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And back then, I didn't know what that was. So I knew I would go places and I'd have strange feelings. I'd feel energy. I'd feel emotions, but I didn't know what it was and why I was experiencing them.

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Kind of made me go and look and research. I would go to the library, find every book I could find, find anything I could, you know, research, trying to find people who did this was real tough back then.

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That's why it wasn't until 1989. I think it was when I was able to go on an actual investigation. I mean, I went out on my own to like summataries and any abandoned places you can find or something that I could try to do some research, you know.

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But like I said, it was the experiences I had that kind of kept me going forward and trying to learn about it. I wasn't just like, oh, I want to go find a ghost. I wanted to learn, you know, what was real, why it was real, why is it?

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Why was I experiencing this? What did I actually see? And that's what it kind of led me up until I went on my first investigation, which totally, you know, an actual residential, which kind of changed my whole perspective of everything and took me on a completely different path with the residential.

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That's how I started. I just dove in, took a case and by myself and the first one, man was horrible. Like it smelled like rotting meat. I knew something was there. So I just I fought it like with what I what I studied and learned and what AJ helped me out with.

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And, you know, it was interesting. So you know what, though, you know what, it's actually amazing to think of what it was actually like for Bell at the start, because when we well, I mean, speaking for me anyway, and probably you too as well.

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When we get into this, the paranormal was already a thing. Whereas, you know, I know that when I was a kid, if you were to say to your parents or whatever, you know, oh, I seen a ghost to be like, yeah, go play. Just go play.

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You know, them on a note. So what it was like trying to get into it back then when it wasn't recognized.

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Must have been really, really hard because we stepped into it now when it's something that's recognized and everybody's, you know, watching it or following it or whatever. So it's it's a lot easier to do it a minute.

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But back then, it's been really hard. Yeah, let me let me tell you. Even now when I'm at conventions, I'm doing lectures at schools and libraries and everything.

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Sometimes my parents will show up if it's local and then they're, you know, they're watching and they come to me afterwards. When the hell did you do that?

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You know, I didn't know what I was doing because I couldn't really talk about it much. You know, it was yeah, it was definitely tough. And it wasn't a there wasn't a lot out there.

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You know, there wasn't that much to research. There wasn't that much on, you know, on TV. What did you have movies every once in a while you didn't you know, you had little things, but nothing, nothing to nothing like now.

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Now it's out in the forefront, you know, it's and that's good and bad. Let me ask you. No, you're right. It is. You're right. It is good and good and bad.

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One thing I was asking was doesn't wasn't the real craze of paranormal when it really kicked like started to kind of start kicking into the mainstream was when the exorcist kind of came out.

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Wasn't that like a big time for this this field when they call it this movie like the straw and everybody and you know everybody was like everybody.

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I mean, not that the world accepted it right away, but you know, it took time. But do you think that you think that was kind of a turning point maybe?

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Yeah, it's it was the start of that whole satanic panic thing that was going on where once they saw that it was it wasn't like a movie like like a Friday the 13th or something because you know it wasn't a monster.

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It was something that that was very real and it I think it totally took people by surprise. You know, it's funny. I grew up on horror movies. I love horror movies. I was never scared of stuff when I was a kid.

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The only thing that ever scared me was the exorcist and go figure now I'm doing this. I don't know how it led to that.

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But you know, but yeah, no, it was it was definitely it was very different back then, you know, but that was definitely I think one of the big starts of it, you know, between that and the Amityville horror and all that.

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It was a big, you know, it started that whole craze that people didn't know what was going on and because it wasn't on TV and people weren't talking about it. No one really knew what was real. What wasn't in and what to think, you know, like now even with the TV shows,

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everyone watches the TV shows and every sound in their house, they think is something, you know, and everybody as well. A lot of them movies that you were talking about were all released roughly around the same time within a couple of months or whatever of each other. So they all sort of they all really started a craze in a way, really, didn't they?

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Yeah, yeah, the exorcist was a big one because people went in and I mean there was they said there was people that's my wife, by the way, there's people that were passing out in the theaters and we're running out of the theater screaming because even though if you watch it now it's like, okay, that's not not that bad.

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But, you know, back then it wasn't about the effects and the stuff it was about the subject matter of what was going on, you know, and it was definitely very unknown back then.

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Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, I feel like every horror movie that comes out like you know that beginning time when you first see it like, you know, it's it's new to you, you know, especially if it's a new kind of way they, you know, made it a new perception on the whole, you know, horror side, then like, you know, like, like, say for like saw what was going on.

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I mean, like, say for like saw when that came out it was a huge hit that they kept doing for years and ruined.

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And then, the ones that kept doing and ruined but you know you know what I mean. But yeah, what I want to do was, when did you form your team and can you tell us a little bit about your team.

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So I'm originally from New Jersey so I had been on and off teams in New Jersey and when I moved to Florida about 23 years ago. I kind of got tired of dealing with team drama.

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And just dealing with some people that really, not saying that I know everything because I don't. But when you deal with people who are doing things that are putting people in harm's way, you know provoking telling clients things they shouldn't be telling them I had to

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get away from it. I think it was about 2013 or 14 I actually formed the team got the name started with a couple friends of mine here and then they moved out of Florida and I kind of regrouped I was on my own for a little bit I used to consult with other teams.

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And then about 250, I think it was 2015 I started putting together some people and I'm very particular. I handpicked people and you know people I don't take it's not anything personal against them it's just, I just kind of go on my gut.

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You know, because since we do so many residential I mean I love to go on out and doing public stuff and everything too but since we do so many residential I got to take people into clients homes, and I need teaching, I don't care if you have one day of experience

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or 30 years, I could teach you how to investigate, but I can't teach you how to be compassionate, and you know, knowing how because we go in and we do we're very scientific and we're, we're, I know a lot about psychiatric illness and addiction because I'm

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an IT director during the day so I'm a technology expert but for about 30 years now, but the last 10 years I am an IT director a psychiatric drug and alcohol treatment facility.

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And although I'm IT, I still interact with the patients and I've been around the doctor the psychiatrist who runs the place I've been to all his lectures that he does and everything I've learned a lot, and it helps me a lot in determining what is real

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and sometimes it can be both, you know, but a lot of times we deal with psychiatric illness and addiction and everything else you can think of, you know, so I had to handpick the team, little by little of people I thought that were a right fit, you know,

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no matter how much experience I have in, I used to keep a very small team until about maybe a year ago. And I opened it up a bit so we have about 15 people throughout Florida, in the Tampa area West Palm down by me and Broward and also down in Miami.

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We also have a team now in Georgia, a team in Nebraska.

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And I have a girl that runs a team over in Italy Greece and UK when she goes back and forth between them.

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So we branched out a little bit.

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Just a little, just a little.

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My question though I want to sort of tie in with what Bill was saying I want to ask it before I forget, right. Do you think people that have like addictions to certain things or people who suffer with psychiatric stuff, do you think they're more susceptible to like being the power normal or see things or do you think they're more because of their

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their whole mannerism their whole lifestyle and stuff because of what they, what they're going through do you think they're more susceptible to the power normal.

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I believe so in my experiences I mean, not everybody that has an addiction or an illness is, it has something with them also but, but I've noticed that more often there, they open themselves up, you know if they're there have an addiction to something it's kind of opening their mind up,

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you know if they have an illness it's opening their mind up and things that come in are looking for people, what do they do like, like, let's say demonic which you know is rare.

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But it's there, and what do they do they look to break somebody and oppress them, you know to be able to take them over somebody who has an illness or an addiction is already oppressed.

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It's they're easier to kind of take over and manipulate a little bit and convince them, you know, but then again on the other side of it.

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It's, I really encourage people to learn about that stuff because if you're doing residential cases and you go into a home. And let's say you encounter somebody that maybe schizophrenic, and you don't know it, because maybe they didn't tell you or maybe they don't even know it yet.

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But they're telling you things what are they telling you, I hear voices, I'm seeing things and everything that sounds like a haunting. And if you don't know any better, and you go in and your mindset is oh it's definitely a ghost now.

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And, you know, maybe you get some weird reactions to your equipment or whatever you don't tell this person who has schizophrenia, that they have a ghost in the house.

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And you're going to seriously damage them. Because, you know, staging and cleansing or whatever you're going to do isn't going to take away their illness, and they're still going to hear them and now they're going to think it's something evil.

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Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I mean my father he had schizophrenia I mean he was a very functional person you would never know he had it, but we'd be sitting there nighttime in his house and like, all of a sudden he would just turn to me like straight face and he'd be like, you don't see this dog sitting

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next to me, just wagging his tail like you don't see him like he's like is it not there is like if I'm I, is it there a dog there I'm like that we don't have a dog you know that he's like I know he's like but I just want to know if this is my schizophrenia or what's

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going on then he would see guys, I would see him turn his head real quick as we're watching TV, and he would see somebody I beg that what you just see like tell me the truth.

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That's the thing. You know they're very smart and you would never you know people think of them as a disability but I think they're the most smartest people in the world. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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And I mean that's the thing with mental illness I mean you don't. We don't know 100% you know, we always we always tell people to, to go get a psychiatric evaluation get medical evaluations get everything tested and checked, because even if you have something

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wrong with your brain, getting on the proper medication and everything can can bring you, you know somewhat stable so that we can see what else is going on, because sometimes it is very hard to determine.

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And what can, how many times have you heard people say, I had a traumatic experience or a traumatic accident, and then all of a sudden, their third eye was open.

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And they had disabilities that they never had before. So, what's the say it can't happen from from an illness, all of a sudden kicking in some people don't have this illness until a certain age and all of a sudden is something just activates it.

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You know, it's based on trauma so it's like, just like you said, an accident you know saying so it's like you're you're absolutely right and it just makes you wonder you know like I'm not saying I'm not, you know, saying or downgrading mental illness

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and that's the thing is, you know, the thing is, you know, it just makes you wonder, it's like if my dad seeing what he's telling me seeing it makes me wonder like you know

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like I have no clue you know but he actually says he physically sees these people and that would, that would scare the crap out of me I mean I don't know how he stayed straight face but I would have been crapping myself man to be honest, right.

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Well that's the thing I mean like again I've been doing this 35 years so I've encountered things. You know, I'm not a psychic, you know, I've never even attempted to open myself up like that I probably.

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I don't know what would happen if I did. I have the empath abilities with certain things like I could feel energy I could feel emotions.

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Yeah, I don't know I mean I've seen things that were crazy but never really frightened me except when you know I've studied demonology for a long time and I'm called into some cases and stuff that stuff is frightening.

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That's a total different level.

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You know, and it's funny.

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Yeah, I love taking that crap.

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I mean, yeah, tell us what was the most frightening when you saw like what was the experience you had.

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Yeah, I'll give you an example, when we were talking before and I said I was so excited and it was 1989 I somebody I knew, knew somebody and they needed an extra guy they were going on a residential case it was the first time ever going on a rental residential case I was so thrilled to go and check this out.

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I didn't want to go on my own just because at that point.

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I wanted somebody who had been doing it a little bit before me so you know I don't want to go in and do something wrong.

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I want to go in and do something with these guys and you know I'll do the short version really it's all I knew is that they heard, they hadn't been to the house yet.

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They talked to the lady she was frightened out of her mind she was experiencing things flying around the house and you know she heard things saw things and you know I was just, I was like like you were saying up there I was excited to go at first.

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We were not there we walked in the front door, and the three of us ran right back out of the house, like nauseous were on the front lawn, we didn't smell anything, but something made us nauseous so right away though my head was going to like, you know, is it gas is it carbon monoxide

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something weird because I always try to go for natural causes first, eliminate them, then you know you're good, but we kind of gather ourselves went back in. And you know back then it was different we didn't have all the equipment we had now we had recorders

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and they had like big shoulder cameras and, you know, and we walked in the house, and we weren't even in there I don't know five 10 minutes in the in the living room about to start getting set up lights were off.

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All of a sudden, the guy next to me. He screamed through his camera lens first to the floor. You know we hit the lights, and he was like pulling out his shirt and going crazy, and he ripped his shirt off and he had three scratch marks from his neck to his spine

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that were like razor blades. They were bleeding. He was completely freaking out and like I tell people. I didn't know these people well. If it was nowadays. I would have never believed it to be honest with you, I would have said, they're setting this up they're looking for fame

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they're trying to get something you know get on YouTube, but this was 1989. This was never talked about, you know, this guy was fear out of his mind, I mean he couldn't see what was going on we got into a mirror so you can see and he totally freaked out, you know,

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and it was later on, learning about demonology that the stuff started adding up to me. Because when they say you know this is how many people you encounter say oh I woke up and have scratches on me you know, but they look like, you know you scratch it with your fingernail

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and you're in the middle of the night or your cat gotcha or something. These were like razor blades, and it wasn't until later on that I learned that when a demon attacks, they hit you with like a razor blade, the scratches are like razor blades and not like wide scratches.

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And I remember the stuff that she was saying that she heard knocks three times, all kinds of things like that that I didn't know about back then. But I will tell you this, I, unfortunately, once we got out we got right out of there.

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And they went to get clergy involved. But because it wasn't my team, and then their other member was, you know wasn't sick anymore and he went back with them. I wasn't there for the final part of that but I do know that they brought a priest in that did a minor right of exorcism on the home.

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You know it cleared everything out, and it was good but that was like kind of like my turning point, because a lot of people would have honestly run for their lives after that, and probably would have never went back, you know, but honestly I had a million questions after that,

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because I was so confused like, why did it attack him. Why didn't attack me or the other guy. Why didn't attack her all this time because she had never been attacked the lady that was living there was an old lady. So, it brought a million questions to my mind and kind of made me realize this was like my calling of what I needed to do is help people, you know, so, you know, but as I've had other demonic cases, which are you know like I said before, kind of rare but the ones I've been on.

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You know, you, they're frightening because you never know what's going to happen. It's not like a normal haunting where you go in and you may hear something you may see something move you mean something may disappear you know the basic things you may smell something whatever.

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But with this, after I saw him attacked, you never know what was going to happen. You know, I've been knocked to the floor I've been, you know, it's, it's, you just don't know and honestly it is frightening I, I don't want to say I'm excited to go when I get called into a case like that.

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I'm excited because I want to help the people but yeah it's it's it's definitely different.

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On that note though Bill, if I can ask you right. I mean, I've been I've been in situations before where I've been pushed. You know I mean, I've been pushed I felt the hand on my shoulder there's been nobody there and I've been pushed nearly to the ground.

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You know I've had things thrown at me I've been hit. You know I mean, that, that just wouldn't be any normal spirit that's trying to get your attention. That would be, that would be, I mean obviously it could be a bad tempered one but I'm not saying it's going to, it's going to go into the demonic sword but there's obviously something not right when, when the spirit that's there is literally trying to hurt you, rather than just get your attention.

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That's, that's where like the gray area is, and nobody fully understands it because most of the time as most people know spirits. They're not really there to harm you, you know most of the stuff where they knock something off or they make a noise.

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They're kind of letting you know hey I'm here they could be saying what are you doing in my house they could have lived there 100 years ago. You know, they're not really, I've never experienced that much there to harm people but I have been in places like you said where I have been knocked down and pushed.

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And it, it was never turned out to be anything demonic. So, is it a really sorry, is there a really angry person that died you know I mean, like they say if somebody was, you know, a cranky old person in life they're going to be probably even more cranky and death.

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So, someone was a someone was a murderer in life, then they're going to still have that intention and death, although they're not going to be able to carry through with it.

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I had this experience though right at the cemetery where this spirit basically through the spirit box basically like was watching me from behind, and the spirits were saying through the spirit box how this guy was a bad guy he was a robber from their time was a 1600s graveyard,

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and, and Durham Connecticut. And it's very active when you go to spirit box and it's really cool to hear, but the spirit basically was kind of like a guardian, almost like trying to be a guardian wondering why I was there if my intentions were good or not.

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And it actually followed me home and cause some psychological like attack, you know kind of towards me, just for a little while not crazy, but it was almost like a warning so I'm wondering like that gray area where it's like yes something that's very

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negative energy that's really can hurt you which I've experienced one time, and then you get the either the asshole spirit excuse my language or you get the, you know, guardian spirits which seems and that they just, it's almost like they just want to check you and see like, are you the right

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person or if you're not this is what you know you get a little consequence or a slap you know what I mean it's like it's weird it's a very weird situation. Yeah, and I'll tell you this it's, I've been pushed on a demonic case and I've been pushed on just, you know, even in a place in a public

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space, and it is a little different. I mean I was pushed one time to the floor, just like it pushed me and I kind of lost my balance and I and I went down, you know, but the one time I was in a demonic case where I was pushed I literally felt like somebody

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punched me in the chest, knock me to the floor and I went about five feet back a little different, you know.

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Yeah, there's, it's, there's that level of, you don't understand what it is I mean, I had an issue back in last October, where, again for me I usually keep myself very protected and everything but every once in a while, something happens.

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People always say attachments, it can be an attachment, or, or something very negative can put its negative energy on you, and kind of give you the same type of thing as an attachment. So like we were at, I don't know if you ever heard of a place in West Palm called

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the Riddle House.

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Yeah, so the Riddle House, I've been to many many times I work with a team up here a great team called War Party Paranormal, and they get access to the the Riddle House and there's a thing called yesteryear village in West Palm it's on the fairgrounds.

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And there's like, I want to say maybe 15 houses that are were placed there they were the oldest houses in West Palm and they all have like a history. One is like the old Bell South house one is called the pineapple house, and they were all kind of uprooted and put

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there as like museums, you know, so you could go there during the day and tour them and whatever but every once in a while they do ghost tours at night through them through the Riddle House because, you know, ghost adventures at the Riddle House and became real popular.

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So, one of the, one of the cool things that I've experienced with War Party is they'll get private nights where they could bring their team in and they asked me a lot to go with them. And I've been to the Riddle House many times.

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The attic is where the guy Joseph supposedly hung himself and that was the whole story behind that.

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And the thing was, normally they don't have the attic open at all for anybody, because there's a lot of storage up there and it's it's a tight quarters and it's just, they don't, it's too dangerous you know it's a real steep stairway going up.

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So when I went there this one night, they were already up there they had opened the attic for them and they were all up there doing EVPs up in the attic. So I went up I sat with them and first we got one of the strangest EVPs I've ever heard, ever.

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And they were asking a question we're all using our recorders, and the one guy, I think it was Joe he said, he was directing it toward me he goes, Alright, so what I want you to do is this guy's never been up in the attic before and he's got a new device.

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So what I want you to do is talk directly to him. Right. And everybody hit the recorders you know at the beginning, everybody played it back mine, you know, a little static here and there and nothing much.

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And then the guy played it back, and the voice actually talked over Joe asking the question.

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And it was clear as day and it said he's dead.

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So, everybody was freaking out, we were going back and forth with this thing. It wasn't even a question of nobody, you know somebody not hearing what it said. It was so clear.

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It was the clearest ones I've ever heard. So, you know, I kind of laughed it off I'm used to this you know, I was a little nervous walking down those stairs.

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You know, I gave everybody my equipment I was holding on the railing because I, you know, I don't need to be pushed down the stairs.

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Yeah, that worried me.

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And then finally it was like a staircase like this and it was like, you know, this wide it was, it was crazy. Yeah, I'm doing this work anytime I'm at the top of a staircase I literally try to like kind of running down it because literally I have that feeling like something's

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going to push me or something you know.

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That's what I was worried about.

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Jeff sloucher said he has a photo of a negative or that he wants to know if he could send to have an exam into whatever now on my personal opinion I don't really do the whole thing.

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Yeah, well let me wait.

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Let me quickly explain that to you so Jeff is one of.

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He's a regional director for the Warren Foundation and part of the management team with me and Jeff likes to come in and talk about orbs because he knows my feeling I go out there.

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I was waiting for him.

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Yeah, I, I educate people all the time on orbs.

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And it is one of the big subjects for me about dust and pollen and you know everything I've seen three true spirit orbs in my life three.

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Two of them were on demonic cases.

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There he goes.

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Two of them were on demonic cases and and one was in just a regular case and I try to explain to people. It's something very very different. It is nothing like these things you see on on cameras and now look, can something, maybe be something sure we don't know everything,

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you know what I mean, but I don't consider it even a possibility if I can explain it, and I know a lot about photography, I know a lot about electronics, and I know how the stuff is produced, you know, a true orb like I tell people is an actual ball.

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An actual ball of energy that is supposed to be a spirit trying to manifest itself. And the one I saw on a demonic case which literally, you can feel the energy being pulled out of the room your hair will stand up on your arms, and you can feel the energy even if you're

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not an empath, you can feel it moving in a room, coming from everything and all of a sudden this thing formed and was about this big, and it slowly kept growing until it was about this size.

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Right. And it was a 3D ball of energy. It was producing its own light.

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Like, you know, it was, it was almost like looking at a little mini son had like little flares coming off of it. It moved extremely intelligently. It's completely different from what anybody sees on these all these video.

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I've been doing this 35 years I know people 4045 years have never seen one. I know, I don't know anybody who was absolutely captured what they know to be an orb on film.

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I wish I wish I could say that but you guys all know the best evidence is never captured.

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I mean, you get some good stuff but some of the stuff that happens sometimes it's like, why was that not captured the one.

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That's why I don't trust like a lot of these videos I'm like, well why don't you go live you know do it live. And then you can prove to people that you were live, even though it's recorded, you can say no I was live this time you know what I saw was what

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you're seeing. Right. And I tell people that first of all you'll see it with your eyes. It's not it's not something you see on camera, the things you see on camera you don't see them with your eyes because you can't see them because it's reflecting the infrared

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light from the cameras, which can't see, you know, and I don't do it to discredit anybody or to you know, take, I don't do it like that I try to educate them.

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I'm in a lot of Facebook groups, and I talk about this all the time, and I try to. I'm very, very, very nice to the people I don't laugh at them, you know, even my wife tries to convince me with a picture she has, you know, and I'm not again I'm not trying to discredit

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anybody but I try to educate them because this way. When you capture something you'll know a little more of what to look for. You know, so again, could something ask you, I have to ask you, Bill, we're in these groups, do you ever get kind of like annoyed when

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you see someone just put up a picture of like something random like their backyard and be like, Do you feel anything.

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Yes, do I really.

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I have some great people on my team that can.

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I can't do a picture like that I can't do anything like that but the problem to have is yeah one yeah there's always, they just take a random picture Can you feel anything I mean I don't know what you're looking for, but yeah, the other thing is the problem is you post that in

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the chat and you're going to get probably a good 50 people that are going to come in and tell you the most ridiculous things you've ever heard. Oh yes that's your grandmother she was coming through, you know, and they need to stop that, you know, there are

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psychics, and then there are a lot of fakes.

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And then, okay, wait, he has a serious question now. Yeah, he has a serious question he says has scientist ever tried to reproduce an actual energy or or come up with an explanation as to what it could be taking the photography aspect out of it.

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Good question, because if orbs are energy, then surely science would be able to reproduce some for camera, so you would know exactly what an energy or compared to a particle of dust or whatever would be like right.

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But I see no lightning balls like on TV. Yeah, they do, they do do energy masses but I don't know if anybody's ever tried it to try to, because, again, the problem with, I don't know I mean scientists you know the problem with that would be is if they did

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something to rig something up that could pull energy into a ball which I'm sure they have, you know, I'm sure somewhere they've done that, but still how would that compare to an actual spirit pulling energy from the room.

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I don't know if it would be the same thing I don't know how it would look I don't know but I don't know. I mean I've know a lot of stuff they've done in power psychology with things but never a scientist trying to pull an energy ball, you know, not that I know of.

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I mean, you know, it's like quantum physics and really, really, I'm, I'm, I'm working on my PhD in power psychology and metaphysical humanistic science, and I'm in stages of it where we're learning, you know, quantum physics quantum mechanics, and it's all just

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insane crazy stuff. I would have to think they've tried that but I've never seen anything on it.

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I like see I wanted to ask you something now light anomalies right that we capture.

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I just had this theory that these light anomalies that we capture especially the ones that are very intelligent have a very unique shape to them, kind of more for almost like an ectoplasm type looking thing.

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So, you know, we can capture energy, either a part of it, or whatever that is the spirit or spirits traveling, like whether they're, you know, like, you know, I always get this thing through the spirit box where they say they're floating they're not walking, you know what I'm saying

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they're just the consciousness energy of these beings are of the spirits of us human spirits and we can manifest into this physical world but you know it's not always easy for us to fully come into this physical world by vibration you know.

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Right. Yeah, it's, it's possible, it's tough with light anomalies you know it really is because some of them. You know, I want to jump right to, you know, the lens flares and the lighting and the things because we know what it can do.

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And when you see something sometimes that really are hard to explain, or hard to say okay it came from this light source over here or was a, you know, a shutter speed issue or something like that you know what I mean when you see something that doesn't really fit all those.

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Like, a million questions, like you said is it something like that is it is it something that our own energy is manifesting. You know, there's so many different things that it's, it is hard to tell.

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See that's what I'm saying because I you know I like the other thing is like, you know, we have deep thought right. I always said that that energy goes somewhere we don't just stop and that energy just stops that energy goes somewhere so I'm wondering if they

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can evolve attraction like we really are like quantum mechanics just positive attracts positive negative tracks negative. We literally are attracting whatever you know you know whatever it is positive or negative into our into our reality by whatever

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you know like by making that vibration so vibrate into our reality however it does it but manifesting into our reality.

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No, yeah, I'm sorry.

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No, no, go ahead.

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No, I was just gonna say ages like when I the the Suzanne more few sessions that I did where that that light came down twice, and it's never done that sense it's never done it before.

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It was only when I was talking to her that it was real weird. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that this guy said Bill was talking about like you sometimes get these things that are just, you know, out there right Bill you know, yeah, there's

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definitely is very very hard to explain I try I try every way possible, you know, because I like to research you know and I try to go against you know go with everything I know, and try to figure it out but sometimes, yeah, sometimes there's, there's no way.

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I mean, energy, people, some people don't realize how energy is you know I mean in parapsychology, you know, they did studies where they've actually done a lot of research that has shown poltergeist a lot of poltergeist activity is caused by teenagers in the

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home, especially females, their energy shift during puberty is so strong that it causes things to move in the house. I told you they were crazy. Sorry.

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Puberty at low.

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Yeah, absolutely. Totally. I mean, just that just studying that myself like I love that kind of stuff man I you know it's so great to hear you in the parapsychology stuff because I've been really debating myself like trying to go get into.

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I think I want to ask you as you said before you were an empath. I'm an empath myself I wasn't an empath I had my near death experience that's when this whole paranormal journey started for me like 10 you almost 10 years ago now.

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And I was wondering, do you get affected by, say, people if you don't protect yourself like energy wise like can you walk into a room and feel someone's energy or feel the room's energy and stuff like that because I had this problem where I have to

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protect myself because someone's energy can really screw me up.

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Yeah, and this is one where my wife will probably chime in and yell at me. I probably in a regular day thing I probably don't protect myself as much, you know, as I should.

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That's where she yells at me all the time she's not into the actual paranormal ghost hunting side of it. She's into energy and and we and all that stuff and you know she works with energy healing and stuff so she knows a lot about that but.

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I think that's the basis of it. Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. And the thing is, since I had this from when I was so young, and I never realized what it was even when I was little I go to like a family party, you know, and I would get energy from the people,

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and I would get energy from the people who were alive also not just dead. And, yeah, and, and I didn't know what it was I would just all of a sudden feel like depressed or I would, I would kind of pick up their energy and understand it till later on.

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And most of the time, I'm pretty good at just tuning it all out I mean look I do lectures like we were at mega con this year we had rooms full of like 500 people, and like a person normally will lose their mind in there who was an empath or psychic or something but I, I don't

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want to be honest but I tend to shut it off, unless I'm trying to use it, but every once in a while it kicks in. I mean I have place even where something on TV all of a sudden.

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Because of them, you know and it's sometimes it is sometimes I can't stop it, and I can feel it in places I have one thing I don't want to say it on air I could tell you guys later, I don't want to say it on air just because I don't want to say anything bad about somebody specific and it's, it's, you know, it was an interesting

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experience. But, yeah, it can, I feel people with that are empaths. They feel things differently on it like I feel emotions, and I feel energy. To me, it's more like a really heavy kind of overwhelming, you know feeling where one of my teammates she feels more of

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like an electrical shock. You know when she when she's feeling something so everybody kind of feels things differently, you know, I have yours I have the same thing as you man, same thing. I did to a T. Yeah, totally.

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He said Jeff sick you could pick up on me.

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All these amazing people that you work with with the Warren legacy foundation or paranormal paranormal legacy foundation and what is the full name. It's the the the Warren's is the Warren legacy foundation for paranormal research, that's the we say Warren legacy.

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The Warren legacy foundation now tell me, um, since you work with all these amazing people there. How has it been what what has it been like have you been on any type of investigations work with any of that type of stuff what has it been like for you.

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Well, now I'll tell you with the Warren's.

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It's great because what this is, is we have about I would say around 100 members right now that are across the entire country. So, it, Chris, Chris and Lorraine form the foundation before she passed away.

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And it was to kind of carry on their let you know Ed and Lorraine's legacy of, of helping people and kind of having, like, you know, I don't want to say the best of the best I'm not, you know, saying I'm the greatest, but it's more of people who are experienced and

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experienced investigators in residential cases, we have people all over the world that have every type of ability and training that pretty much whoever would need. So when we're doing a case, we could contact any one of them to come in on it and help us with something

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that maybe I don't know about, you know, we, same thing on my team I have such a diverse group of people that we can contact somebody with any type of help.

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And working with them is great because when I get on something that maybe I don't understand. Maybe it's more on the pagan side or it's more of a generational cursor or something that I don't know a lot about.

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We can pull in people that know about that, you know, now as far as the cases with the Warren's, I have not personally gone out to a house. We do a lot of it on zoom now.

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We talk to them we discuss what's going on. We have four or five members of the team on there.

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We go through everything with them we try to help them help themselves because that's important. You got to teach the people how to handle their own situation.

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If we go in and just cleanse the house and leave.

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Next week is going to be right back there because they haven't learned how to change their lifestyle a little bit.

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You know, so we'll teach them everything from cleaning up your cluttered home to changing the energy vibrations in the home.

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You know, getting the negative energy out cleansing staging you know everything like that will give them a lot of homework basically.

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And we will. It's not like what you see on TV, we will. It is a very structured you know process with with with the Warren's, because we want to make sure everything's perfect, we will talk to them about psychiatric evaluations mental you know checkups if it's if it's necessary.

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Nobody's going to jump at something and be like we need to get the crew and equipment and run into their home for two days it's only if it's necessary.

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You know, we have people that are specialists in every area so it is a huge learning experience for everybody even people have been doing this as long as I have, you learn something every day from everybody on there.

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You know and it's it's great to know and it helps when you have to go to people's homes, you know, my team, we do the thing on zoom too but we do go to people's homes you know, probably a little more often than the Warren's, but it's it's just it's been a great experience

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and the people on are really I would say the best of the best. I know people like to say, there's no experts in this that's another controversial subject like like.

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I see here's the thing I agree with that that that statement though see there I don't believe there's any experts but I believe there is seasoned people that have more knowledge than some people.

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And I believe that that is, I think that's a different aspect where I would say expert, I would say nobody truly knows any answers to anything really about this field because we don't know until we die, but I know what you mean though.

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I tell them is I do say that there are people I have worked with that have trained me from 3040 years ago almost that I would call an expert myself. And the reason I say that is because everybody gets hung up on the word expert and an expert really is just a person who has an

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authoritative knowledge in a specific subject. So, like a doctor is an expert, but he doesn't know everything, he's got to send you to a specialist.

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So it's kind of like the same thing how I look at it, you know, and so not total knowledge and just a lot of knowledge in that.

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Nobody has that total.

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Yeah, that was perfect because I never thought of it that way like expert and specialist like I never, because in you know the in the mainstream mind it's like an expert is an expert you know what I mean right right.

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I tell everybody what you can label them as in the high much knowledge they actually have but like I say as far as toll and other knowledge, you know, to me that there's more each day so.

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Right. Well, and, and that's the thing you know, again it's the word you know everybody assumes like people like like doctors and stuff are experts, you know, and they are they're experts in their field of the subject they know.

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But, like I went to the doctor, and I have this this issue with my finger, you know, and they said they know what it is, but they need to send me to a hand specialist to fully check out what it is because they don't have that specific expertise.

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It's just like you can be somebody who has been investigating for 40 years, but has never dealt with anything demonic. So they got to call in a, you know, a demonologist or a demonology specialist or somebody that knows a lot about that in order to check it out and see what

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they think, you know, because they're not sure. So that's how I look at it, you know, I mean, I don't know why there's a lot of hang ups on that word just it's it's as bad as you know you totally changed my mind on that word because that that made so much

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sense. I mean, I'm not sure what you said and it was so simple but it just made a lot of sense and I really like how you put that. Thank you. Yeah.

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See I love learning stuff from people like I from the most random things I'll learn stuff like that, but it's such a great thing to learn you know that's why I love having people on the show like I tell them I tell everyone all the time it's just so amazing to meet

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everyone like yourself and to learn from you guys, whether I'm small or some massive you know. Right. And when people ask me like how do I get into is what should I do.

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I watch shows like this, read every book you can find. I have, I don't know if you can see it back there but there's books everywhere back there I, I read everything because you know what, even if the book is crap, to be honest, there will probably be one thing in there

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that you go I never thought of that.

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You know, and it's, it's important it is, you know, I have books on everything I have audio I have so many audio books I listen to that I drive an hour to work every day so I got those on.

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I listen to everything because sometimes it's just something simple you need to hear that maybe changes your, your mind of something you didn't think of, you know, it's always good to hear from everybody and learn from everybody.

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I learn every day from everybody on the war and even from my own team members, you know, we all learn from each other.

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Yeah, well, Bill I wanted to ask you would you come on again for us because there's so much more that we have to talk about. Unfortunately, we're going to the hour right now but I would love to have you on again if you wouldn't mind.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Awesome.

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We can get your team on next time to some people from your team that would be awesome. Sure, sure, we have.

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One too.

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We want we could we can work something out and get like Jeff and other girls Stephanie I work with that are the, the, we're the management team of the foundation, and then I could probably also talking get Chris and Joe Frankie who worked at the Warrens for 40 years

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they would gladly come on and talk.

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That would be amazing. That would be absolutely amazing and we would love that. So that would be an honor.

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You just gotta keep the mute button ready for him that's all. Yeah, that's right. We got it handy.

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And, and I'll tell you my wife knows a ton about energy and all that stuff I learned a lot from her on that stuff you know. So,

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I think she would love to come on and do that too is she would love to come on I mean, I love talking about energy and stuff like that I think it's a really important part like I said, a basis to all this so I think it'd be really awesome to hear, you know,

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yeah, I think a lot of podcasts everybody's on just asked about ghost this ghost that goes, and it's like getting into the actual specifics of it is even more interesting and better to learn from than just allows an investigation this happened can you know

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Yeah, I love podcasts like this that you just discuss everything because that's what needs to be out there more of this, because people need to learn from it from everybody, you know, yeah.

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Yeah, I say all the time this helps further others, others research, as well as it does ours, you know what I mean we can learn from a beginner. I mean, it doesn't really matter how much years of experience because you could say something to me and I could be like wow I'll discard the rest but this one thing is just amazing what he just said, and it'll stick with me forever you know like that.

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That's why we started Igor.

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International group of researchers. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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That's how I came across the Warrens, because I was trying to start my own network to get people because I get so many cases that are all across the country, and I will not throw them to somebody that I don't know because I don't know if they just learned from watching ghost adventures

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and ghost hunters and now they're running into people's homes thinking everything is a ghost. And I won't pass a client on to somebody like that unless I know who they are.

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You know, well if you ever run anybody that needs help in Colorado dude. I got you. Absolutely.

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Awesome. Well hey, Bill, thank you so much.

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Hey, Brian.

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I'm part of the ghost club over there in the UK.

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Well, they are. Yeah, that's the oldest, the oldest club for it has like a lot of parapsychologists and everything on it. Oh see we there's so much.

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Well hey, Bill, thank you so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it's been an honor and we will set up all Robin set up another time you coming up so

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we can have you all on.

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Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me on.

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Not a problem. I can. I'll, I'll, I'll speak the bell. Probably this week coming on a range. Another, another day for it.

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Not a problem. All right.

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All right. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Awesome man that was totally cool man I tell you what there's so much more we have to talk about with Bill he's in, he's just super intelligent super knowledgeable.

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I love you know like I said that expert thing is going to stick with me for now forever because you know I like how he put that, you know, like because normally like I would always say you hear me on this podcast a bunch

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times you know no one's an expert in this field because even though I died I didn't learn anything you know what I mean you know all this stuff so, but I totally get what he's saying like you know there's the expert word is you know there's

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this type of stuff so I totally get what he was saying that's going to stick with me forever so that's why I love this type of stuff just learning from people like himself.

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Stacy, Jeff, Colleen, everyone Desiree, Bill's wife.

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Yes, everybody. Thank you guys so much for watching we really appreciate you.

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And we can't wait to get Bill and everybody on again and hopefully a couple of you guys as well.

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What do you guys want to input before we go? I just think that like you were saying, nobody, you know, like in the medical field, you're not going to go to one person who's going to diagnose diseases, who's going to do head trauma, who's going to do hands,

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knees, feet, nobody's going to do it all so everybody's going to be like an expert in their own little feet but nobody's an expert for all of it so it's kind of the same in this really.

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Yeah, absolutely. How about you John, anything before we go?

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No, I just want to say it's good to be back and thanks everybody for watching.

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Good to have John back again.

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Stronger is your support, you know, share it with your friends, you know, tell them, tell them what a good job we're doing and let them see for themselves.

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We appreciate your support. Amen. And once again we are happy John is fully back talking with the sources back to its original.

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Awesome super happy to have my brother back. But I'm seriously go check out targeting with JK 47. He does john does amazing live sessions that gets him a crazy spirit box replies that are absolutely awesome check it out on tick tock where I do some

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shorts for him as well. But like I said, like john said check out talking with the source on all social medias and podcast listening platforms. Thank you guys so much for watching I'm a Jacob Paso host of talking with the source.

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Over and out.