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Hello, everyone. Welcome back to episode two

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of the Blockchain Bay podcast. My name is Chris

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and I'm co -hosting with Network Bits. And today

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we would like to showcase our interview with

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Travis, who is a big member in the Helium community.

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He gave his insights on everything that has happened.

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And we talked briefly about the perfect storm

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that was Helium and how it all played out. We

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hope you enjoy. We have Travis, the man. Joining

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us, Travis, thanks for being here. Always a pleasure.

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Thanks for having me. Of course. So, you want

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to start off with your background? Because we

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have a lot of viewers here who haven't seen you

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before. And like I said, if we get into anything

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that you're not comfortable talking about, if

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it's something you can't disclose, just let me

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know. We'll shake it off and go from there. Yeah.

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My name is Travis. I live down in Texas, just

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north of Houston. And I run and have run for,

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I guess, a number of years now, the Hackster

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Houston meetup, which is just a group of hardware

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hackers. We get together on a biweekly basis

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and hack on hardware and got into LoRaWAN a number

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of years back. And that kind of carried me into

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my own kind of LLC firm and then over to Helium

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eventually and then to Nova. And now I'm. Still

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in the loreway game, just kind of looking around

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at what looks like interesting things right now.

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Excellent. And for those of you who didn't catch

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it, so Travis did work for Helium. So he has

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a lot of experience and insight in this topic.

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Chris, you might as well give a background on

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yourself. Real quick, Travis, can you get me

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the link to your hack pages so I can post them?

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both in the comments and once this video goes

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up i'll post them in the description i want you

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to you know yeah background for me i i started

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out in crypto in like 2017 uh mining z cash and

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ethereum and i thought ethereum sucked because

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every time i i mined it the price went down yada

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yada anyway i've been in the space for quite

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some time but i didn't get into everything until

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probably um January of 2020, maybe a little bit

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later, I started watching Red Panda Mining videos.

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Shout out to him. And Voscoin videos again, which

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I started watching back in 2017. So it was nice

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to see them making content. And it got me into

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GPUs. And then I found Helium. And then I met

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everybody in the community now and hoping to

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just continue growing here. Yeah. Right now,

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I'm making Joe's logos for him. Yeah. Chris has

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a YouTube channel, Chris Bagnell. Be sure to

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subscribe to it if you haven't already. And of

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course, although many of you probably heard it

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a thousand times already, I'm Joe. I host the

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Network Bits channel. My background is Cisco

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network engineer, infrastructure, and information

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technology. I got into crypto in 2017, 2018.

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when all that was it was a bull market back then

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and died off and i didn't really continue to

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pursue it over those coming years but right around

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when wall street bets was happening is when i

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started to get back into it and i knew after

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the having it typically kicks off so like all

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right i'm going head first got into trading was

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looking for something of mine trying to figure

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out something where i didn't need a gpu didn't

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need you know um a6 FPGA is the crazy hardware.

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And I found Helium. And I was like, wow, this

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makes so much sense. I know what IoT is. We hear

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about it at least on a monthly basis, if not

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a weekly basis at work. So I was looking at all

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sorts of YouTube content and just thought none

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of this is really given the good technical detail

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that's needed for people to understand. jumped

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into youtube mostly covered helium brought out

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other types of crypto projects and here we are

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and i i enjoy what we do here on youtube we have

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a outstanding community um i've made a lot of

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friends i've gotten to experience a lot of things

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firsthand and we've learned a lot that's the

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most important thing and i always try to bring

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what i learn just front and center and give it

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to you guys for free i don't have courses to

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offer you i really don't use affiliate links

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so um i just appreciate when you guys share the

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content that i make to get it out to everyone

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that's the best thing that you can do to say

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thank you all right i'm going to post travis

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uh website link and pin it in the comments if

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you guys want to check it out I would greatly

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appreciate that. So where do you guys want to

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start? I'll let Travis, if you want to pick,

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you're the special guest of the hour. Thanks

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for showing up randomly. No, thanks for having

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me, man. Yeah, as far as that site, it's not

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developed really at all. It's a site that we

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use to share documents. Everything's been paid

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for, so please don't reshare that or put it out

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on the net. But if you want to use it like a

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lending library, there's a lot of good books

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on there that I kind of treat it like a bookshelf.

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You're more than welcome to borrow them off my

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bookshelf. Just, you know, put them back in order.

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Cool. Appreciate it. As far as things to talk

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about, man, I don't know. We've been working

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on, I mean, we've had the holidays recently.

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I've been playing around with Chirpstack a little

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bit of late and playing around with, you know,

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boxes that, you know, build, you know, these.

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like pelican boxes and stuff. I've been working

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with those and I'm trying to get those in good

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shape where I can throw them in the back of the

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truck and get out and put up a LoRaWAN network.

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So, yeah, I'm down to talk about really anything

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the callers want to talk about. Awesome. And

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we will do some call -ins later on in the stream

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if you guys are interested. Certainly, we'll

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probably keep these ones to five, ten minutes

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depending on the discussion. I'm not expecting

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a lot of callers because we typically don't have

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a whole lot of people watching, but we want to

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make it through the content and keep the things

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churning. So, Chris, is there a topic you'd like

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to pick when it comes to lessons learned with

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crypto? Otherwise, I'll lead it off. I'll let

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you take it away. All right. A lot of the same

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ideas. And I'll start it with what I would tell

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most of my family and friends who aren't into

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crypto. that we maybe would talk about it over

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the dinner table or we're just general discussion

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they know that um you know waist deep chest deep

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in crypto and they might see it as kind of crazy

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and i say well and they think a lot of it's a

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scam or a ponzi i tell them look i think that

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about 95 of the projects are scams are not really

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worth their time not worth the value that you

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see the tokens going for on the exchanges? And

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maybe the ones that aren't a scam, maybe there's

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a lot of good ideas out there you have to consider.

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Is there actually market demand for that product?

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Are they actually solving a problem that, you

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know, it needs to be solved? Or are they looking,

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they're a solution in search of a problem is

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one of the best ways to describe it. um that

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is that's what i really start off with and that's

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why i'm very selective about the type of content

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that i make on here and i do tend to think that

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there are some projects out there that they are

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even though they have like a company behind them

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that's been in business for many years a lot

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of these companies see the crypto craze and say

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well how about we apply a cryptocurrency to us

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to garner more attention and then we'll sell

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our hardware and figure out something with tokens

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and whether it works or not we're still selling

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more hardware and if it fails it's just another

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failed project who cares there are people out

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there who do that and that's one of the things

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i look for so when i'm trying to search for a

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cryptocurrency project i'm going through all

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this analysis thinking Is this a scam? Is this

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legit? I don't really put a whole lot of weight

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into the fact that just that company's been around

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for years. Thoughts? I got to say, the companies

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I look at now are companies that are driving

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utility tokens or something that actually does

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something besides allow. people to mine and to

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make money or tokens off of the fact that they're

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involved in the project. This actually reaches

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out to a wider aspect of people who actually

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get something out of the project, even if they're

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not directly involved in the mining aspect or

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in the building of the project. Yeah, I like

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that. Now, Travis, what's your thoughts on the

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term Tippins? token incentivized public infrastructure

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networks? To be straight up, I don't know enough

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about it to really speak definitively on it.

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I know Sierra has a show that she's working on

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now in conjunction with some other folks in the

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industry. And it's interesting. It's something

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I'm learning about, but it's not something I

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can speak on. Yeah, I like the idea of Really,

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I like anything networking. I mean, I like blockchain.

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I think it's a phenomenal solution. It's certainly

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interesting and solves an issue. But it's a solution

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to a problem, right? You need a distributed ledger,

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something that's decentralized and cannot be

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easily manipulated or, you know, coerced. Yeah.

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So that's enter Bitcoin. Now, blockchain technology.

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has existed back to the 90s, but it's evolved

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as any other technology. And that's where Bitcoin

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came about. They've taken numerous concepts from

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different technologies and combined it into one.

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And now we have the resilient leader in the cryptocurrency

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space known as Bitcoin. But when we say tip -ins,

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token incentivized public infrastructure networks,

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that is something that allows the general person

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to use that solution, that product, for connectivity

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or to solve some sort of issue or possibly host

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some sort of service. So the tip -ins that we

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think of, first one that comes to mind is Helium,

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right? We have other ones, Pollen Mobile, XNet.

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One that maybe you guys aren't as familiar with,

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it's still in the infancy, but Foam. Foam .space

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is their website. disclaimer i did some consulting

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for them but i think it is certainly that one

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is awesome very uh sophisticated group a solution

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i think is needed um you have other stuff that

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maybe is more overlapping with web3 right so

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flux flux labs run on flux .io is their website

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i believe so trying to rival what amazon web

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services google cloud is doing where you can

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host the Load for the website that you want to

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run or some sort of service that you got going

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on. You can host a game server if you'd want.

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And other similar projects, threefold. There

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was a few other ones that I can't think of off

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the top of my head there. But ones that maybe

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just do simple services like storage, like Chia.

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C Prime. Yeah, C Prime is another good storage.

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the storage network, and then you have other

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data -based ones that are more data collection

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or data streaming. So you have Streamr, S -T

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-E, sorry, S -T -R -E -A -M -R. You have PiFi,

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one Chris and I have talked about. PlanetWatch,

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I'm not a fan, but I know a lot of you know what

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it is and have looked into it. You could consider

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HiveMapper one. That's a product I'm probably

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participating in. So there's a lot in the space.

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GeoNet is another one that's getting a lot of

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talk recently. Definitely. And then you have

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maybe decentralized VPNs, right? So Mysterium,

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Deeper, not a fan of Deeper. There's the Boring

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Protocol, Orchard. And a litany of other ones,

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PKT, DEMO, someone mentioned in the comments,

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another one. And for all of you who are just

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showing up, welcome to the chat. We're going

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to talk about lessons learned in crypto. It's

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really just going to be, we're going to talk

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about what we like about crypto, what we've learned

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over the years. We have Travis T here, super

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knowledgeable gentleman in the tech world. But

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yeah, I like Tippins a lot. Now, there's also

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Web3, right? So we've talked about concepts of

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Web3 in a separate stream, Chris and I. So you

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have that one identity, the autonomous identity

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that you're in charge of. You're no longer letting...

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apple or google manage that identity to buy services

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you also have autonomy over your funds in your

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wallet you have maybe nfts for verification or

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proof of ownership or something and then it's

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getting away from this centralized model where

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it's the same companies that are hosting the

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same infrastructure trying to bring back um well

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trying to offload that to people who want to

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host that infrastructure for people who want

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to stand up tip -ins or host that service in

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exchange for earnings, right? Yeah. Another part

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that is not so talked about, but the tracking

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and data harvesting that's done currently on

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Web2, something that we're hoping to make a push

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to go away in Web3. Because you are the product

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in Web2. I mean, you are what is being sold in

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Web2. That's why your Gmail is free, folks. Yeah.

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I think what we're really seeing here, Joe, is

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especially, and I'm talking from the perspective

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of the Helium network now, but this network,

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this LoRaWAN network has been built up that is

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global and is usable by anyone. It doesn't matter

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if you're setting up gateways or not. You can

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use this network for a very low data credit fee.

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And this is something that we're starting to

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see companies really build upon this. And so

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it's not just, you know, are you part of Helium?

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But Helium is just the infrastructure that you're

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building off of. And so we're seeing these great

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ideas that are kind of springing to life that

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are built on top of what's been going on for

00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.860
the past three years, you know? And I think that's

00:15:51.860 --> 00:15:53.960
important to look at at this point as we see,

00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.639
you know, it doesn't pay as much or pay as much,

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whatever. to roll out new gateways, especially

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in urban areas. You know, most of the growth

00:16:02.009 --> 00:16:05.289
and the H &T, you know, earnings are through,

00:16:05.409 --> 00:16:10.070
you know, kind of more rural areas. And so these

00:16:10.070 --> 00:16:12.389
companies that are building on top of this established

00:16:12.389 --> 00:16:15.990
helium network using LoRaWAN and now, you know,

00:16:16.009 --> 00:16:19.750
other protocols that they're building into is

00:16:19.750 --> 00:16:23.610
really critical and important to look at. Yeah.

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And I think one of the greatest feats of helium

00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:34.200
was kicking down that door of crowd -hosted infrastructure

00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:37.700
bringing it to the forefront of the crypto space

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saying we have a new model in the business arena

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that works for the people this is how you implement

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it and for for whatever people want to say about

00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:50.279
helium they were one of the first to to do this

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especially at that massive scale yeah so You

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know, there's going to be mistakes. There's going

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to be misunderstandings. There's going to be

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a lot of lessons learned that come from it. But

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the important part is that they've opened the

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door and it's never going back. The toothpaste

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is out of the tube. And Helium and, of course,

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you, Travis, you had a massive part in that.

00:17:14.619 --> 00:17:19.359
What they did for the crypto space was it brought

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us years into the future. Yeah, and I think it

00:17:23.819 --> 00:17:26.420
opened up a lot of folks' minds to what can be

00:17:26.420 --> 00:17:29.279
done here. And unfortunately, and I'm going to

00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.500
bring this up, in Australia, there's been some

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conflict as far as, you know, frequencies are

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concerned. You know all about this, Joe. But,

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you know, a lot of folks over there are looking

00:17:40.779 --> 00:17:44.859
at other networks to move to. And I think that's

00:17:44.859 --> 00:17:47.740
an important topic of conversation that should

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be discussed out in the open. And I know I'm

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involved in a lot of conversations kind of back

00:17:54.579 --> 00:17:57.599
on Discord, but I'd like to see that out in the

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open, you know? I see a comment here. New England

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Crypto, are we playing? What's Joe going to smash

00:18:07.500 --> 00:18:13.039
tonight? And that's in reference to... To a helium

00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:17.900
competitor known as MXC, which is a massive Ponzi,

00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:24.160
in my opinion. Now, one of the things I think

00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.279
we should talk about, Travis, and like I said,

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if we get too crazy, I don't want to get you

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in trouble. I don't want to be negative here.

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We're going on lessons learned, right? Yeah.

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I don't know why people are calling me during

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live stream. They should know better. What I

00:18:46.170 --> 00:18:48.569
do want to discuss, I actually want to make a

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video about this. And the mania that was induced

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in helium, I believe because it was like the

00:18:55.369 --> 00:18:58.930
perfect storm of events that happened there.

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Yeah. Including the pandemic, honestly. I mean,

00:19:02.630 --> 00:19:06.769
I've got to throw that in there. Yeah. And, you

00:19:06.769 --> 00:19:11.589
know, I talk about the price. Yeah, all the events

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that took place during that time for that price

00:19:14.789 --> 00:19:16.509
to happen. Now, this is something that you like

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pay attention to now because we know what the

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factors are that you're going to look for in

00:19:21.289 --> 00:19:24.650
other projects. But I'll go through the list

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fairly quickly here. The first one is the Bitcoin

00:19:31.069 --> 00:19:36.289
halving, which typically kicks off that bull

00:19:36.289 --> 00:19:41.009
run, that bull cycle. That's where you see an

00:19:41.009 --> 00:19:44.009
insane spike in prices across the board with

00:19:44.009 --> 00:19:50.990
crypto. And it's all altcoins. Everything other

00:19:50.990 --> 00:19:54.490
than Bitcoin follows the trend of Bitcoin. But

00:19:54.490 --> 00:19:58.069
the multiples of it, like whether it's going

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to be a 10x or a 40x, come down to a lot of the

00:20:03.789 --> 00:20:07.880
variables. that happen with that specific cryptocurrency

00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.299
it's potential use and this is where i'm going

00:20:11.299 --> 00:20:13.759
to get into all the factors why we've seen i

00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:17.019
calculated earlier i think was like a 45x gain

00:20:17.019 --> 00:20:19.960
over that year to the all -time high with helium

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which was up there i mean which was yeah yeah

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i mean i'm not saying numbers but everyone's

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seen it yeah and um just just to go through like

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the The reasons why now I do believe that a lot

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of these are just these reasons I'm going to

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give aside from the Bitcoin happening in the

00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:47.240
bull market when they happen unto themselves,

00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:50.039
when you're not inside a bull market, they're

00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.759
really like micro trends, right? There's a small

00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.440
bump in price, but there is nothing significant.

00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:58.099
But in my opinion, and of course, not financial

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advice, and I'm not an accountant who has done.

00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:05.059
All the numbers in an Excel sheet. So I'm generalizing

00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:07.640
here. But I think those micro trends really become

00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:12.380
more of a multiplier. They become a bigger factor

00:21:12.380 --> 00:21:16.480
in that price spike because there's a lot of

00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:22.000
speculation during a bull cycle. And those are

00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.160
reasons people get in and bring that pressure.

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The first reason I would say is the use case

00:21:27.670 --> 00:21:30.910
of Helium. It's in a multi -billion dollar, soon

00:21:30.910 --> 00:21:35.369
to be trillion dollar economy, IoT. That's what

00:21:35.369 --> 00:21:37.769
people keep saying, yeah. They look for the utility.

00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:41.930
This is a viable project because it has a use

00:21:41.930 --> 00:21:45.569
case that is understood, that already has products

00:21:45.569 --> 00:21:49.089
on the market, but doesn't have that contiguous

00:21:49.089 --> 00:21:53.450
network. I can pretty much turn this on in any

00:21:53.450 --> 00:21:56.730
major city in the U .S. at least, you know, almost

00:21:56.730 --> 00:21:58.950
around the world. And it's going to work regardless

00:21:58.950 --> 00:22:01.390
of if I have deployed my own gateways or whatnot.

00:22:01.609 --> 00:22:04.849
You know, I can set up a free console and have

00:22:04.849 --> 00:22:07.650
my data being fed through on the Helium network

00:22:07.650 --> 00:22:10.529
for next to nothing as far as data credits are

00:22:10.529 --> 00:22:14.809
concerned. That never existed in the U .S. Like

00:22:14.809 --> 00:22:18.450
large public LoRaWAN networks just were not here.

00:22:20.610 --> 00:22:25.230
And now it's almost ubiquitous, which is pretty

00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:29.609
amazing, man. I think that is the main thing

00:22:29.609 --> 00:22:31.869
that happened with Helium. I think that, yes,

00:22:31.930 --> 00:22:34.049
a lot of people got in early and they were earning

00:22:34.049 --> 00:22:39.869
a lot of HNT. And that kind of went a little

00:22:39.869 --> 00:22:42.829
public, a little social. People started talking

00:22:42.829 --> 00:22:45.789
about it and people started realizing you couldn't

00:22:45.789 --> 00:22:49.140
get minors. I mean, miners would be six months

00:22:49.140 --> 00:22:55.420
out to even pull one in. And I think the rarity

00:22:55.420 --> 00:22:58.380
of those or the fact that people weren't able

00:22:58.380 --> 00:23:02.740
to get them made people want them more. Yes.

00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.440
And you bring me to another one of my points.

00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:08.819
Because of that demand, people said, OK, I can't

00:23:08.819 --> 00:23:11.319
buy the equipment, but I think this token is

00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.839
going to go. It's going to do a moonshot. So

00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.319
I'm going to buy that. more further pressure

00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:22.640
on the upward pressure on this the price on the

00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.160
exchanges because of that then you also have

00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:33.359
um the major listings on the exchanges those

00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.940
major listings cause more people to be able to

00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:40.140
access that token it was it's really a coin because

00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:45.140
it has its native blockchain and and um you know

00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:48.549
it It has native blockchain. That's what you

00:23:48.549 --> 00:23:51.890
mine for, right? But it calls itself HNT, Helium

00:23:51.890 --> 00:23:54.049
Network Token. But it will be a token when they

00:23:54.049 --> 00:23:57.650
move to Solana, right? Well, I mean, it was L1

00:23:57.650 --> 00:24:01.890
network, right, on the chain. But it wasn't traded

00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:05.849
on many exchanges at all. In fact, in Texas,

00:24:05.970 --> 00:24:08.990
you couldn't exchange it until Gate .io finally

00:24:08.990 --> 00:24:11.609
opened up. And then they're like, oh, wait a

00:24:11.609 --> 00:24:13.990
minute. No, we're not going to do that. Screw

00:24:13.990 --> 00:24:18.660
the U .S. Talk to us privately and maybe you

00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:23.220
can get your tokens back or whatever. But I don't

00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:24.819
mean to be slanderous there. I'm not meaning

00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:26.420
to. I'm just saying that's kind of what happened.

00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.779
They said that, yes, we will be starting up a

00:24:28.779 --> 00:24:32.980
gate .us and that will support New York state,

00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:35.779
Texas, a lot of the states that were not supported

00:24:35.779 --> 00:24:40.079
by any of Binance, any of the other major exchanges.

00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.559
Being down here in Texas, you couldn't really

00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:53.740
sell it. Yeah, that's unfortunate. But regardless,

00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.180
because it became listed on the exchanges, more

00:24:57.180 --> 00:25:01.559
upwards pressure on that price. You also have

00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.799
a large amount of data credit expenditure because

00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.859
of assertion of gateways. Now, look, people can

00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:14.380
make the argument about, data and data credits,

00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:17.559
whatever. Look, the point is that, I mean, even

00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:20.420
if you were on the Visa network, when you have

00:25:20.420 --> 00:25:24.400
those, the point of sale devices installed, it

00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:26.440
still costs you to get them installed, right,

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:29.599
in the system. So anyways, because you assert

00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.660
a gateway and it costs that data credit, that

00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:36.400
was spent into the system. HNT had to be burned,

00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:39.779
but now... travis correct me if i'm wrong here

00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:43.079
but there is what's called the hnt equilibrium

00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:49.460
some people say the flywheel okay how much data

00:25:49.460 --> 00:25:53.680
credit spent does have an effect on what the

00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:58.619
oracle determines the hnt price is a couple notes

00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:02.410
here um yeah okay yes as far as onboarding um

00:26:02.410 --> 00:26:05.750
you know plays a lot or played a large part um

00:26:05.750 --> 00:26:08.210
in this but a lot of that was kind of um absorbed

00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:12.650
into the manufacturer of the units and so it

00:26:12.650 --> 00:26:15.410
wasn't end users that were you know uh paying

00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:17.690
to onboard at that point that was that was part

00:26:17.690 --> 00:26:20.849
of the the hotspot price right yeah um what we're

00:26:20.849 --> 00:26:23.970
seeing now and a a number that i believe that

00:26:23.970 --> 00:26:26.410
uh either nova or helium foundation just released

00:26:27.019 --> 00:26:32.380
was the largest, really the largest OUI right

00:26:32.380 --> 00:26:36.380
now is actually another network roaming over

00:26:36.380 --> 00:26:39.880
the Helium network. And which is amazing when

00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:41.180
you're talking about that's where these data

00:26:41.180 --> 00:26:44.519
credits are coming from, or where these are rolling

00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.900
through the network is from other networks using

00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:50.900
what we have built to push the data through.

00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.799
And that's badass. That is awesome. Excellent.

00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:56.819
The point I'm just getting at here is because

00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:59.880
there was a significant amount of H &T burnt

00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:03.099
and data credits spent into the system that did

00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:06.380
have an impact on the price. So we're just going

00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:08.140
down the list of what impacted the price here.

00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:12.779
Okay. And who was burning those? It would be

00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:15.099
the manufacturers because they were the ones

00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:18.140
paying for the assertions. Okay. Correct? Am

00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:21.269
I mistaking anything here? no i i believe in

00:27:21.269 --> 00:27:24.670
almost all cases manufacturers did um did you

00:27:24.670 --> 00:27:27.289
know cover the assertions um you know or at least

00:27:27.289 --> 00:27:29.250
you know the initial assertion and then maybe

00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:32.250
one or two initially two uh with with the helium

00:27:32.250 --> 00:27:35.269
og hotspots you know you had two geo assertions

00:27:35.269 --> 00:27:37.910
and then you know further down the line i guess

00:27:37.910 --> 00:27:41.230
uh one geo assertion was typically included um

00:27:41.230 --> 00:27:44.269
from the manufacturers yeah real quick new england

00:27:44.269 --> 00:27:48.140
crypto i appreciate the super chat better Internet

00:27:48.140 --> 00:27:52.440
fun for Chris. We need bandwidth. Appreciate

00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:58.859
it, man. So just continuing on here with the

00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:03.039
factors involved in that price pump, validators

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:08.519
coming online. $10 ,000 HNT on a validator. I

00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.799
believe it was about mid -May that the validator

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.119
rolled out. That was a high point, I mean, for

00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.839
HNT. So it was about $100 ,000, if you want to

00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.099
talk USD, to roll out a validator at that point,

00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:23.180
I think. I mean, it wasn't cheap. I don't know.

00:28:23.380 --> 00:28:27.240
Yeah, and that caused liquidity lockup. that

00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.980
and when people stake can you explain that when

00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:32.220
you say lock up you mean there was a there was

00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:34.220
a cool down time you know if i wanted to pull

00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:36.920
out and you know it would which was what five

00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.900
six months at the time yes i believe so so when

00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:47.160
when you stake you take a portion of funds portion

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.380
of the tokens put it on uh typically a network

00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:53.980
device right in this case it was a helium validator

00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.339
and it's locked up while you have that device

00:28:57.339 --> 00:29:00.079
online and you continue to earn, then there's

00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:01.920
a cool -down period. If you want to take the

00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:08.640
validator offline and get those tokens out, you

00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.700
have to wait a certain amount of blocks, which

00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:14.759
is, I believe you said five to six months at

00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:17.779
the time. That sounds accurate. But one of the

00:29:17.779 --> 00:29:19.740
points I'm getting at here is the price spike.

00:29:19.859 --> 00:29:23.680
So people taking that token off the exchanges,

00:29:24.460 --> 00:29:27.559
They've taken it out of their wallets and locking

00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.779
it up in the validators. That caused more pressure

00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:33.279
on the exchanges, resulting in a higher price

00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.359
as well. Let me just clarify one thing while

00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:39.599
we're on this point. During the cool -down time,

00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.240
you also do not earn during that time. I'd just

00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.680
like to make that clear. But yeah, as far as

00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:48.799
pressure, I don't think it was necessarily just

00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:50.640
having to do with that. I think there was a lot

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.099
of speculation. I think speculation was enormous

00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:57.400
around that time, especially. And I think at

00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.579
the time, Helium was getting more visibility

00:30:00.579 --> 00:30:05.279
in a lot of, I guess, more normal markets. And

00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:11.180
a lot of old players were coming into the crypto

00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:18.059
scene and dumping money on it. I feel that had

00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:22.180
a huge bearing as well. Crypto Craig, I appreciate

00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:25.640
the Super Chat post -birthday beer fund. Of course,

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:30.480
I don't drink beer, but thank you. So, Travis,

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.619
you already beat me to the next point, which

00:30:32.619 --> 00:30:36.259
was the speculation. And, you know, let me know

00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:40.400
your opinion, but around the Open5G CBRS push,

00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.000
there was a lot of interest because of that.

00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:47.809
and because of the news around it. Yeah. What's

00:30:47.809 --> 00:30:50.329
your question? That's it. What do you think?

00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:52.730
Do you believe a lot of that interest came from

00:30:52.730 --> 00:30:57.190
the CBRS push? Well, there was an article and

00:30:57.190 --> 00:31:00.369
I guess a partnership announced around a time,

00:31:00.470 --> 00:31:03.910
around that spike, which I feel had a lot of

00:31:03.910 --> 00:31:08.750
bearing. But, I mean, as far as speculation is

00:31:08.750 --> 00:31:11.569
concerned, who knows? I mean, I can't speculate

00:31:11.569 --> 00:31:15.230
on that. But yeah, I think that when you have

00:31:15.230 --> 00:31:20.890
a large media boom into a lot of markets that

00:31:20.890 --> 00:31:23.869
you might necessarily, they may not have heard

00:31:23.869 --> 00:31:27.990
about helium, about what's going on with the

00:31:27.990 --> 00:31:32.329
network, how large the network has grown. I think,

00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:35.509
yeah, that's got to have some bearing. I think

00:31:35.509 --> 00:31:37.769
that when you have articles coming out of large

00:31:37.769 --> 00:31:40.710
publications and getting in front of the eyes

00:31:40.710 --> 00:31:42.890
of a lot of investors that may not have known

00:31:42.890 --> 00:31:46.210
what the hell this whole fucking crypto thing

00:31:46.210 --> 00:31:49.470
is, you know? Don't worry, you can swear. I mean,

00:31:49.990 --> 00:31:52.970
it changes things, you know? And is that going

00:31:52.970 --> 00:31:55.450
to change speculation by people who follow, you

00:31:55.450 --> 00:31:58.130
know, these other investors who are now just

00:31:58.130 --> 00:32:00.609
kind of getting involved with it? Yeah. And you're

00:32:00.609 --> 00:32:04.319
going to see movement there. But shoot, I don't

00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.480
know. I mean, it seems reasonable to me that

00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.079
that would occur. Yeah, so these are the factors.

00:32:12.140 --> 00:32:16.680
Just a quick recap of what we just covered. Once

00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.039
again, the trend, all altcoins follow Bitcoin,

00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:25.980
right? Most, most. Yeah. Yeah. You have some

00:32:25.980 --> 00:32:30.279
inverted followings, right? Yeah. And the factor,

00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:34.960
the multiple that they follow it, Buy does have

00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.319
independent variables there. So you're not always

00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.779
going to see the one for one following in that

00:32:40.779 --> 00:32:46.720
trend, right? But anyways, Bitcoin halving, break

00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:51.200
into that bull cycle. Then you have number two,

00:32:51.220 --> 00:32:56.839
use case. Utility. It has a real world use case.

00:32:57.259 --> 00:33:01.299
Number three. Oh, one we didn't talk about. The

00:33:01.299 --> 00:33:05.720
halving. Okay. Of 2021, there was the happening

00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.920
of HNT. Significantly less tokens dumped into

00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.420
the overall public through earnings. That had

00:33:14.420 --> 00:33:16.420
been planned since the white paper. I mean, it

00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:19.420
had been known, maybe not publicized as well

00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:23.000
as maybe it should have been for people, newcomers

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.700
who were investing into the network. Maybe people

00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:27.420
didn't really understand what happening was.

00:33:27.500 --> 00:33:30.990
They didn't realize how this worked. But it was

00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:33.589
public and it was, you know, every network. It

00:33:33.589 --> 00:33:36.569
happens on every crypto. Yeah. But the point

00:33:36.569 --> 00:33:41.809
is, it brings more less supply, more and I guess

00:33:41.809 --> 00:33:44.869
similar demand. I mean, it's going to be more

00:33:44.869 --> 00:33:48.630
in demand because there's less available. So

00:33:48.630 --> 00:33:52.750
that was, I believe, one of the factors in this

00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:55.710
price spike. And it was voted on. I mean, all

00:33:55.710 --> 00:33:57.630
of these things are voted on. I'm not saying

00:33:57.630 --> 00:33:59.230
anything bad about it. No, no, no. I just want

00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:01.269
to explain to anyone listening to this that,

00:34:01.309 --> 00:34:03.150
you know, these go through HIPS or, you know,

00:34:03.150 --> 00:34:05.869
a process that are voted on and then, you know,

00:34:05.869 --> 00:34:09.530
proposed and go through. And so it is, you know,

00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:13.309
people driven on how we want this network to

00:34:13.309 --> 00:34:15.809
perform. So I just had to throw that in there.

00:34:16.730 --> 00:34:21.230
It's appreciated. Data credit expenditure. Yeah.

00:34:21.269 --> 00:34:26.960
So the burning of HNT. Whether it be data being

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.420
spent on the network or data credits spent for

00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:34.059
the purchase of data to use the network or assertion

00:34:34.059 --> 00:34:37.320
of hotspots, it still has some impact on the

00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.619
price there. You have validators coming online.

00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.599
So what are we at here? We're at number five.

00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.320
Validators coming online. Liquidity lockup. That

00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.820
confidence in the network that comes because

00:34:49.820 --> 00:34:52.869
of. Staking, that's a generalized crypto thing.

00:34:52.989 --> 00:34:55.030
People look at crypto and say, all right, there's

00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:58.389
a lot of staking going on on the network. We

00:34:58.389 --> 00:35:02.610
believe that signifies confidence in the network.

00:35:03.030 --> 00:35:08.889
There was lack of availability of devices because

00:35:08.889 --> 00:35:10.989
of the chip shortage, because of supply chain

00:35:10.989 --> 00:35:13.519
issues. But that's across the board. That's across

00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.579
the industry. Oh, yeah. That's something we've

00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:19.159
seen from cars to gateways. It's still a six

00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.739
-month lead time to get any Cisco switch or router

00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:27.480
for me. So there's something going on. And we

00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.860
saw a couple of, you know, like, hip 19 manufacturers

00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:37.500
kind of buck up, man. Pardon my language. But,

00:35:37.539 --> 00:35:41.380
yeah, they kind of dipped out. uh we're not really

00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:43.940
um i don't know they didn't treat their clients

00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:45.880
as well as a lot of people think they should

00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.780
have i'm not naming names i'm you know everyone

00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:51.139
knows who i'm talking about you know if if you've

00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:54.800
been watching this stuff so um um i'm just gonna

00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.940
get through this list real quick and then we'll

00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.539
talk about what you want to talk about so so

00:35:59.539 --> 00:36:03.320
validators liquidity right lack of um availability

00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:06.460
reason isn't reason number six so people bought

00:36:06.460 --> 00:36:08.960
the token rather than buying the hardware because

00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.139
it was hard to get the hardware number seven

00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:13.679
centralized exchange listings more people were

00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:18.059
able to buy in leading leading to a price pump

00:36:18.059 --> 00:36:22.500
and a the speculation not only because it's the

00:36:22.500 --> 00:36:25.199
real world case but because you have more products

00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.340
and because like travis mentioned you have a

00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:30.760
news cycle that's covering it you have word of

00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.440
mouth spreading so the reason i i want to bring

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.539
this up is because these are all things to look

00:36:35.539 --> 00:36:38.630
for in a crypto project lessons learned with

00:36:38.630 --> 00:36:42.230
helium it just all converged within the same

00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:45.650
year which was very exciting but i believe that

00:36:45.650 --> 00:36:51.070
there is good and bad to that and and i think

00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:54.070
a lot of people didn't understand all those factors

00:36:54.070 --> 00:36:59.510
involved they maybe they hadn't read up they

00:36:59.510 --> 00:37:02.690
did not understand the mania behind it and they

00:37:02.690 --> 00:37:04.510
feel like they missed out on a good experience

00:37:05.150 --> 00:37:07.030
So there's a lot of thought that comes from that.

00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:10.010
But lesson learned. And this is what we look

00:37:10.010 --> 00:37:13.469
for in projects, these type of events, these

00:37:13.469 --> 00:37:17.269
type of happenings. You look like you have something

00:37:17.269 --> 00:37:22.550
to say, Travis. Oh, typically. But no, I would

00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:24.550
like to comment and just say I'm not trying to

00:37:24.550 --> 00:37:27.070
interrupt here. But we did something called the

00:37:27.070 --> 00:37:29.210
Alpha Program, which allowed you to have cloud

00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:33.110
-based miners, right? And that was a very short,

00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:36.070
you know, short lived program. It was something

00:37:36.070 --> 00:37:38.590
that was an invite only. It wasn't open to everyone.

00:37:38.650 --> 00:37:41.010
It wasn't where, you know, we wanted to test

00:37:41.010 --> 00:37:43.889
this with everyone in the community. And I mean,

00:37:43.909 --> 00:37:45.570
I was getting death threats. People were mad

00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:49.110
when that got shut down and coming by my house

00:37:49.110 --> 00:37:53.369
and stuff. And I mean, just everyone understands

00:37:53.369 --> 00:37:56.230
that this crypto, it is it does at some point

00:37:56.230 --> 00:37:58.920
come down to real money. and like rent money

00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.920
and come down. And so we do have to be very careful

00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:05.199
and respectful of how we treat this. You know,

00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:10.539
it's not a video game. It's not a, you understand,

00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:14.400
it's something that it's real people and real

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.079
people's lives who are involved here. And so

00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.780
we do need to be very careful and critical with

00:38:19.780 --> 00:38:24.519
that, how we handle it. 619OTA says every F -bomb

00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:26.599
you've got to give away at Sensor. What kind

00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:30.369
do you want, man? soon um travis would you like

00:38:30.369 --> 00:38:32.989
to take this one and we've talked about this

00:38:32.989 --> 00:38:34.769
i've talked about it a lot on the channel but

00:38:34.769 --> 00:38:39.590
travis has a desk full of sensors and he is a

00:38:39.590 --> 00:38:42.449
professional in this industry so i will let him

00:38:42.449 --> 00:38:45.070
take this question crypto craig writes network

00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:48.409
bits what are some of the more popular real world

00:38:48.409 --> 00:38:50.630
use cases for helium network i have not seen

00:38:50.630 --> 00:38:52.949
really any mention of those at least that i can

00:38:52.949 --> 00:38:56.289
remember OK. Yeah, I'd love to take that. Thanks,

00:38:56.329 --> 00:39:00.550
Joe. Agriculture is something I grew up in Texas,

00:39:00.590 --> 00:39:03.570
up in the panhandle. And I grew up like painting

00:39:03.570 --> 00:39:05.809
fences, stringing barbed wire, you know, working

00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:09.150
longhorns. And what you can do with agricultural

00:39:09.150 --> 00:39:13.550
sensors on the Helium network is fantastic. Seed

00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:15.329
has a number of them. This one I showed just

00:39:15.329 --> 00:39:18.130
a moment ago is an awesome company. Seed is amazing.

00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:21.739
And they are. They are so, so, you know, looking

00:39:21.739 --> 00:39:24.800
forward to working with anyone who has a project

00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.659
idea. They have something called Fusion that

00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:30.659
allows you to print PCBs, you know, through their

00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:33.960
service. Like one of these devices, this is a

00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:38.900
data logger, and this is a Modbus sensor that's

00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:41.019
plugged in, and there's just screw -down terminals

00:39:41.019 --> 00:39:43.980
inside here. So I can use 4 to 20 milliamp. I

00:39:43.980 --> 00:39:47.710
can use Modbus. I can use 0 to 5. uh volts i

00:39:47.710 --> 00:39:50.269
can use i can pretty much plug in any sensor

00:39:50.269 --> 00:39:53.090
like normal quote sensor that i could find on

00:39:53.090 --> 00:39:55.130
the market into this and bring it on to helium

00:39:55.130 --> 00:40:00.050
for under 70 bucks usd that's cool as hell um

00:40:00.050 --> 00:40:04.130
uh and just just yes seed did send me this but

00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:06.889
i also work with seed pretty extensively i i

00:40:06.889 --> 00:40:09.650
work with uh one planet education network um

00:40:09.650 --> 00:40:13.230
or or open if you go to oneplaneteducation .com

00:40:14.250 --> 00:40:16.989
We, you know, we're pushing down through Kenya,

00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:21.329
you know, Congo, Australia. I mean, all sorts

00:40:21.329 --> 00:40:24.909
of countries, France, you know, to get the helium

00:40:24.909 --> 00:40:28.489
network into a position where they can all compare

00:40:28.489 --> 00:40:33.030
this new agricultural system for regenerative

00:40:33.030 --> 00:40:37.369
ag against, you know, each other's farms and

00:40:37.369 --> 00:40:41.090
plots. And it's a cool we have a student, you

00:40:41.090 --> 00:40:44.250
know. education aspect of it where we have a

00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:47.269
Moodle system set up where you can, we're working

00:40:47.269 --> 00:40:50.050
heavily with rack wireless and we have videos

00:40:50.050 --> 00:40:53.510
on the system where it shows you there's a kit

00:40:53.510 --> 00:40:56.489
which is based around the whiz block. uh which

00:40:56.489 --> 00:40:59.590
we've built up uh it's very similar to the the

00:40:59.590 --> 00:41:02.130
helium developer kit but it's based more around

00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:05.130
environmental sensing and you know we have this

00:41:05.130 --> 00:41:08.769
set up uh via open and all these videos to teach

00:41:08.769 --> 00:41:11.510
kids how to how to go through this do it and

00:41:11.510 --> 00:41:14.250
then you can have a farmer use his mobile phone

00:41:14.250 --> 00:41:17.389
and flash it onto you know some device in the

00:41:17.389 --> 00:41:19.570
field like firmware that these kids have written

00:41:19.570 --> 00:41:22.460
right which is cool as hell, man. So it's really

00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.760
bringing together. I mean, we're working with

00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.119
ministries of agriculture, education. Let me

00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.400
know if you want to advertise that group as well.

00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:34.380
And I'll post a link to it. Just send me it.

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.059
Yeah, absolutely. But one thing I do want to

00:41:37.059 --> 00:41:40.760
piggyback onto what you were saying. So LoRaWAN

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.099
is a standardized protocol that has seen wide

00:41:45.099 --> 00:41:47.840
adoption in the Internet of Things space and

00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.340
has been around for over a decade. So there's

00:41:51.340 --> 00:41:55.559
certainly a use case here. This is not something

00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.559
that is like novel in the sense of technology.

00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.840
The only thing that has changed here is now Helium

00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.519
has a ubiquitous and contiguous network. So unlike

00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.179
if you're working with, like, say, an Internet

00:42:10.179 --> 00:42:13.239
service provider that offers LoRaWAN as a package,

00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.400
you're no longer stuck to a specific geographical

00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:22.949
location. in the vast majority of cases now i

00:42:22.949 --> 00:42:26.550
always people always say you know who cares about

00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:31.469
this type of technology i disagree but once again

00:42:31.469 --> 00:42:33.510
travis i'm gonna let you take that one because

00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:37.730
okay you worked in lorwan before you had before

00:42:37.730 --> 00:42:40.480
you came aboard helium Yeah, and what's huge,

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.579
and I'm going back to Australia a bit here, but

00:42:43.579 --> 00:42:47.960
a lot of countries in Africa do not have an ISM

00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:53.079
ban set aside. And so they don't have LoRaWAN

00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.460
regions, right? And so you've got countries where

00:42:56.460 --> 00:43:01.059
they don't know what to fix up. And so one thing

00:43:01.059 --> 00:43:03.460
that we're really pushing right now is to get

00:43:03.460 --> 00:43:06.980
a standardized both... both for countries that

00:43:06.980 --> 00:43:09.380
do not have this established and for disaster

00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:12.579
and recovery operations where you default to

00:43:12.579 --> 00:43:15.119
a particular region and just say, okay, you know,

00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.440
for this, this is what you use until it goes

00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.199
through the war alliance and actually gets established

00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.139
and you figure it out with your regulators, right?

00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:27.159
But up until that point, this would allow, you

00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:29.320
know, manufacturers of sensors to say, okay,

00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.519
all these countries are opened up until they

00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:33.300
figure out, you know, what's going on there.

00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:37.670
And I think that's huge. I think that it will

00:43:37.670 --> 00:43:41.469
help, you know, hopefully free us from a lot

00:43:41.469 --> 00:43:44.190
of what we've seen happen in Australia, where

00:43:44.190 --> 00:43:47.409
with the frequency change and, you know, going

00:43:47.409 --> 00:43:51.309
to 923 and with the sub band change, you know,

00:43:51.309 --> 00:43:53.230
just to say, hey, if you don't know what you're

00:43:53.230 --> 00:43:55.929
doing yet as a country, you know, we're dealing

00:43:55.929 --> 00:44:00.789
with ministries of ag, of ed, you know, et cetera,

00:44:00.829 --> 00:44:03.750
in order to say, if you don't know what's up,

00:44:03.809 --> 00:44:06.789
use this. And until you do and then go through

00:44:06.789 --> 00:44:10.269
the alliance and then, you know, we'll figure

00:44:10.269 --> 00:44:13.489
things out. But it makes sense to use EUA 6 -8

00:44:13.489 --> 00:44:16.010
for most of these countries in Africa right now.

00:44:16.349 --> 00:44:19.449
That's a lot of countries tend to look at who's

00:44:19.449 --> 00:44:23.210
next door and what they're using. And I think

00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:26.170
if that process is used a little more, it's going

00:44:26.170 --> 00:44:30.769
to work out well. But I want to add on that point.

00:44:31.230 --> 00:44:34.190
You made a living off of working on LoRaWAN networks

00:44:34.190 --> 00:44:37.670
prior to this. Yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to

00:44:37.670 --> 00:44:40.829
tell people, like, it's not like this is some

00:44:40.829 --> 00:44:44.090
wacko protocol that came out of nowhere that

00:44:44.090 --> 00:44:46.250
someone's expecting to use because there's crypto.

00:44:46.449 --> 00:44:48.730
The Department of Homeland Security, actually,

00:44:48.909 --> 00:44:52.429
you know, I was doing projects for them down

00:44:52.429 --> 00:44:55.889
here at the Port of Houston and doing, like,

00:44:55.889 --> 00:44:59.809
disaster recovery using LoRaWAN. So, yeah, it's

00:44:59.809 --> 00:45:03.070
a real thing. And I was involved with it. I was

00:45:03.070 --> 00:45:04.989
looking at some of my dates on some of these

00:45:04.989 --> 00:45:08.889
projects. And we were talking, you know, 17,

00:45:09.190 --> 00:45:13.050
18. I mean, so years back, you know, way before

00:45:13.050 --> 00:45:16.030
I got involved and before Helium was actually

00:45:16.030 --> 00:45:21.369
using LoRaWAN. So, yeah, it's legitimate. So,

00:45:21.369 --> 00:45:24.969
yeah, New England Crypto, thanks for being here.

00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:28.360
You guys in the comments, I appreciate. all the

00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:34.159
writing that you're doing. Now, I love everything

00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.840
that Travis has to add here. So we have a generalized

00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.179
crypto audience as well. So we'll try to go back

00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:45.440
and forth between the different topics at hand.

00:45:45.739 --> 00:45:50.679
But I'm curious to know, Travis, and let me know

00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.239
if you need a minute to think on this. What was

00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.780
your biggest lesson learned in crypto in general

00:45:55.780 --> 00:46:01.340
or lessons learned? Just entering in, and I assume

00:46:01.340 --> 00:46:02.960
you didn't really have a lot of experience in

00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.000
the crypto space beforehand, but you're still

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.619
a very technical guy. So you're able to pick

00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:10.179
it up very fast. You do programming, right? You

00:46:10.179 --> 00:46:14.059
work with computers. You work with radios. Yeah,

00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:16.760
I think one of the largest things that really

00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.840
hit close to home, and I'm sure a lot of folks

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.320
on this call know him, like Nick or Gristle King,

00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:27.039
lost some crypto. And he was very public about

00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.340
it when that happened. And I mean, that hit kind

00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:31.280
of close to home, you know, just talking with

00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:34.400
him and knowing that he's like, yeah, I screwed

00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.739
up. You know, I should have known this. And that's

00:46:37.739 --> 00:46:40.610
something that... i i saw that happen so many

00:46:40.610 --> 00:46:43.730
times being an admin on the um on the helium

00:46:43.730 --> 00:46:46.670
you know discord people would hit me up because

00:46:46.670 --> 00:46:51.590
i kept my i kept my dms open man and um i'd be

00:46:51.590 --> 00:46:53.349
hit up with someone and they're like hey someone

00:46:53.349 --> 00:46:58.010
just stole i'm like i'm very sorry and that i

00:46:58.010 --> 00:47:00.050
hated that more than anything else in the world

00:47:00.050 --> 00:47:03.650
is having to tell someone i can't fix this the

00:47:03.650 --> 00:47:06.389
whole system is designed so that can it's not

00:47:06.389 --> 00:47:10.190
fixed that's working you know um you know the

00:47:10.190 --> 00:47:15.570
problem is keys were leaked and keys own wallets

00:47:15.570 --> 00:47:20.030
and wallets own hot spots and so you don't own

00:47:20.030 --> 00:47:24.110
those anymore and i hated hated hated to tell

00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:29.329
people that i mean it it hurt man you know but

00:47:29.329 --> 00:47:32.010
that's because the system works and that's that's

00:47:32.010 --> 00:47:34.849
how that's how the you can't beat math you know

00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.199
You can't argue against math. Let me add to that.

00:47:39.059 --> 00:47:41.639
Many of you here in this audience know about

00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.159
DJ Minds, another big YouTuber. He's been doing

00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.239
this for years, but he got hacked. It wasn't

00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:53.179
necessarily his fault. And he lost a large sum

00:47:53.179 --> 00:47:55.900
of money in it. And that's actually, when I ran

00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:58.179
that poll, if we want to talk about security

00:47:58.179 --> 00:48:01.579
or lessons learned, et cetera, that's what I

00:48:01.579 --> 00:48:03.960
was going to get into is a lot of the best practices.

00:48:04.670 --> 00:48:07.869
for people so they can understand better how

00:48:07.869 --> 00:48:11.409
to protect themselves and set things up um which

00:48:11.409 --> 00:48:13.070
i will make a video about that in the future

00:48:13.070 --> 00:48:17.110
for sure but that's a great point and you know

00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:23.070
i there are so many sophisticated scams out scams

00:48:23.070 --> 00:48:27.610
out there and targeting their sophisticated targets

00:48:27.610 --> 00:48:31.219
amongst people who You know, they own crypto.

00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:33.940
Oh, no, but they'll hit your parents up. They'll

00:48:33.940 --> 00:48:36.039
hit your sister up. They'll hit. I mean, they

00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:39.340
will do like, you know, scams against everyone

00:48:39.340 --> 00:48:42.900
related to you if they're trying to get at you,

00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:44.440
because honestly, that's the best way to get

00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.800
at me. I hate to say it. It sucks. It really

00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:50.900
does. Yeah. So there's something I will talk

00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:54.199
more about later, later on in another video.

00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:58.380
And Chris, tell us about what you've learned.

00:48:58.889 --> 00:49:00.769
One of the biggest lessons are what you looked

00:49:00.769 --> 00:49:05.710
at. Sorry, we're taking it away. So I've been

00:49:05.710 --> 00:49:09.409
scammed a couple times on projects that have

00:49:09.409 --> 00:49:13.090
just not been sustainable. Time Wonderland was

00:49:13.090 --> 00:49:17.030
a big case where I pretty much got into the project

00:49:17.030 --> 00:49:19.690
right when it was at its peak and it started

00:49:19.690 --> 00:49:25.110
to go down. And I lost about $1 ,000, which is

00:49:25.110 --> 00:49:30.099
a lot for me. And I, you know, from that point

00:49:30.099 --> 00:49:32.420
forward, I ask myself what I'm looking into a

00:49:32.420 --> 00:49:35.400
project. And a lot of them offer some sort of

00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.800
return, whether it's a token or interest, whatever

00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:41.699
it may be. I don't know if I'm cutting out at

00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:44.820
all. No, you're good. Is my connection good?

00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.659
All right. Yep. So the question I always look

00:49:48.659 --> 00:49:51.719
at now when I look at a project is. is is it

00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.079
sustainable and what we've been talking about

00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.219
recently is what project or what problem does

00:49:56.219 --> 00:50:00.079
it solve because i've seen um you can take a

00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:01.760
lot of the examples that's happened with the

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.059
ftx bankruptcy and the fallouts that have happened

00:50:04.059 --> 00:50:07.539
block five fell for bankruptcy they had a very

00:50:07.539 --> 00:50:11.199
high apy in comparison to traditional bank accounts

00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.179
and you have to ask yourself is it sustainable

00:50:13.179 --> 00:50:17.079
there was a point in time um i want to say in

00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.519
January of last year where I was looking at taking

00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.659
out a loan possibly through my bank account and

00:50:22.659 --> 00:50:24.860
then putting it onto BlockFi because I would

00:50:24.860 --> 00:50:28.179
have actually earned a higher return than the

00:50:28.179 --> 00:50:30.420
interest rate that I was getting from my traditional

00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:33.820
bank account. So it's just, I'm glad I didn't

00:50:33.820 --> 00:50:35.920
do that because obviously it wasn't sustainable

00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.380
and that's a big issue a lot of people have to

00:50:38.380 --> 00:50:41.170
ask yourself. And this is like a... a traditional

00:50:41.170 --> 00:50:43.489
thing that i think most people have been taught

00:50:43.489 --> 00:50:46.610
is if it sounds too good to be true it usually

00:50:46.610 --> 00:50:48.929
is you just have to keep in mind and there's

00:50:48.929 --> 00:50:51.389
some leeway in the crypto space because things

00:50:51.389 --> 00:50:54.369
a lot of times are a lot better than uh they

00:50:54.369 --> 00:50:56.909
would be in a traditional the traditional world

00:50:56.909 --> 00:51:00.530
that we see um but there's still gonna be situations

00:51:00.530 --> 00:51:02.909
where it's gonna be too good to be true and it's

00:51:02.909 --> 00:51:05.730
not gonna be sustainable that's what i've found

00:51:05.730 --> 00:51:13.659
very true I agree. Now, I'll give you my biggest

00:51:13.659 --> 00:51:16.900
lesson learned. And something that I did struggle

00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:19.900
with prior to the YouTube channel, especially

00:51:19.900 --> 00:51:21.900
when I was in the military for learning all this

00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:25.039
stuff, was relating to the average person, but

00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.239
also like my technical understanding is typically

00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:32.780
better than most people. So I lacked patience

00:51:32.780 --> 00:51:37.000
with people's understanding. And when I came

00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.519
in, it's always kind of been like this. I've

00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:44.960
learned to loosen up and lighten up after some

00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.840
of my employers said, come on, you have to you

00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.360
have to show a little bit here. This is a service

00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.340
we provide because these people don't understand.

00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:55.239
But coming into this and starting a YouTube channel

00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.019
and having a face out in the public explaining

00:51:58.019 --> 00:52:01.260
hard to understand technologies where I get tons

00:52:01.260 --> 00:52:04.230
of questions. And I have people who they like

00:52:04.230 --> 00:52:05.869
this. They want to participate. They want to

00:52:05.869 --> 00:52:09.849
understand the system, but they don't necessarily

00:52:09.849 --> 00:52:13.150
have the background that I do. And they don't

00:52:13.150 --> 00:52:16.010
necessarily understand what's being laid down

00:52:16.010 --> 00:52:19.869
by the developers, by the community members.

00:52:20.389 --> 00:52:24.869
And I got to understand like their point of view,

00:52:24.949 --> 00:52:27.329
got to see how people see things differently

00:52:27.329 --> 00:52:32.219
and what influences. their opinions, their thoughts.

00:52:32.539 --> 00:52:35.340
And that has been eye -opening to me and something

00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:38.239
that I stress here. And I try to make it like,

00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.179
I try to hit this one home with a lot of people,

00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.679
especially engineers, because there's a lot of

00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:47.139
engineers who are very technically savvy and

00:52:47.139 --> 00:52:49.000
they're correct about their statements. They

00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.239
are logically correct about their factual statements.

00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.360
However, they fail to understand the way that

00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.449
the average person sees it. And I think this

00:53:00.449 --> 00:53:02.130
is where one of the biggest disconnects with

00:53:02.130 --> 00:53:06.849
Helium was, was getting that, you know, explaining

00:53:06.849 --> 00:53:10.610
to people who are not following this at the same

00:53:10.610 --> 00:53:12.369
speed, who are not dedicating the same amount

00:53:12.369 --> 00:53:14.469
of time, who don't have that background, they

00:53:14.469 --> 00:53:16.670
still want to participate. And that's really

00:53:16.670 --> 00:53:19.389
been my goal here with the YouTube channel. Yeah.

00:53:20.230 --> 00:53:24.949
No, no, that says it so well. And a couple of

00:53:24.949 --> 00:53:28.989
responses on this, at least personally. Real

00:53:28.989 --> 00:53:31.269
quick, one second. We're going to bring Patrick

00:53:31.269 --> 00:53:34.190
Nguyen in, and you may continue. Patrick, thanks

00:53:34.190 --> 00:53:39.849
for being with us here. Howdy, howdy. Hey. I

00:53:39.849 --> 00:53:42.730
just wanted to respond and say that, you know,

00:53:42.730 --> 00:53:44.550
running the YouTube like you're doing and whatnot

00:53:44.550 --> 00:53:47.010
and helping people, you know, get up to speed,

00:53:47.110 --> 00:53:51.519
at least on my part. I learned so much by doing

00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.280
that, you know, by talking with folks who aren't

00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.500
necessarily on the engineering side of things,

00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.920
because on the engineering side of things, you

00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.340
can get too close. And if you're too close to

00:54:01.340 --> 00:54:03.900
something, you don't see it right. You don't

00:54:03.900 --> 00:54:06.659
see the same picture that that a lot of people

00:54:06.659 --> 00:54:11.699
coming into into the ecosystem see. And so I

00:54:11.699 --> 00:54:15.039
think it's absolutely beneficial, both, you know,

00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.800
Joe, for you and for everyone watching your shows.

00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:22.340
you know, to interact and to come to a point

00:54:22.340 --> 00:54:24.440
where, you know, hopefully everyone does at least

00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.599
get, you know, an initial understanding of kind

00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:29.400
of what, you know, how things go in and out,

00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.519
how things work. And for me, it's been, you know,

00:54:32.539 --> 00:54:35.280
I guess therapeutic in a sense of, you know,

00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.860
helping to understand people because this is

00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:41.820
something that I love doing. And I've never related

00:54:41.820 --> 00:54:45.099
to people emotionally before. And I'll save you

00:54:45.099 --> 00:54:49.110
my life sob story. The point is, I've not always

00:54:49.110 --> 00:54:51.150
been personable my whole life. I mean, you guys

00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:53.349
know my personality. I'm a little bit crass.

00:54:53.570 --> 00:54:59.789
I am a little bit vulgar, but I've failed to

00:54:59.789 --> 00:55:01.849
understand because I really look at things logically.

00:55:02.250 --> 00:55:05.670
And that's not always the cut and dry case when

00:55:05.670 --> 00:55:07.570
you're dealing with people. And you have to come

00:55:07.570 --> 00:55:10.250
to terms with that. If you want to be successful,

00:55:10.530 --> 00:55:14.170
certainly in the public eye. Patrick is saying

00:55:14.170 --> 00:55:18.840
you're a sandpaper. Yeah, you could change your

00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:21.059
grit. You can change your grit, man. You know,

00:55:21.059 --> 00:55:26.059
so. Yeah. Yeah. So no idea what you guys are

00:55:26.059 --> 00:55:28.380
talking about. I guess I heard that. Learn in

00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:31.860
crypto. I heard what I thought. I just thought

00:55:31.860 --> 00:55:33.900
you were saying that engineers have no soft skills.

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:37.659
Some of them. I mean, look, I've worked with

00:55:37.659 --> 00:55:41.840
some engineers who they put together a fantastic

00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:47.550
technical manual. and they can explain all the

00:55:47.550 --> 00:55:51.210
ins and outs, but making that manual easy enough

00:55:51.210 --> 00:55:53.530
to follow for the regular person and trying to

00:55:53.530 --> 00:55:55.289
understand what the regular person is going to

00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:57.630
take away from that and trying to catch where

00:55:57.630 --> 00:56:01.489
they're going to maybe fail in that setup, that's

00:56:01.489 --> 00:56:03.650
something that maybe they missed because they

00:56:03.650 --> 00:56:06.989
know it inside and out, and they don't know exactly

00:56:06.989 --> 00:56:09.030
what they're missing. They don't understand they

00:56:09.030 --> 00:56:13.190
already have that context behind it when maybe

00:56:13.190 --> 00:56:15.829
someone else doesn't. that can be hard for engineers

00:56:15.829 --> 00:56:18.449
man and i think there's there's a whole skill

00:56:18.449 --> 00:56:22.409
set of of you know jobs you know for people to

00:56:22.409 --> 00:56:24.989
basically you know kind of go between engineers

00:56:24.989 --> 00:56:28.510
and and people who aren't dealing with it that

00:56:28.510 --> 00:56:31.389
closely um and i think those people are extremely

00:56:31.389 --> 00:56:37.110
extremely valuable to the industry um i a lot

00:56:37.110 --> 00:56:39.110
of engineers and i i know you probably read a

00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:42.300
lot of reports about about, you know, levels

00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:45.480
of OCD among engineers or different, you know,

00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:48.519
I guess people on the spectrum. And if you work

00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:51.139
in the field, you see it. I mean, everyone sees

00:56:51.139 --> 00:56:54.139
it. Everyone knows that. And maybe those aren't

00:56:54.139 --> 00:56:56.840
the best people to, you know, be doing, you know,

00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:00.320
the... Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah.

00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:04.340
No, certainly. And sometimes one of the go -to

00:57:04.340 --> 00:57:07.139
phrases I, you know, when you're trying to change

00:57:07.139 --> 00:57:10.739
someone's mind about something, I've learned

00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:13.159
you just can't come out hot immediately and say,

00:57:13.219 --> 00:57:15.300
no, you're wrong. Look, you have to help them

00:57:15.300 --> 00:57:18.539
understand and be tactful about it. And help

00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:21.900
yourself understand as well. I mean, because

00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:25.039
every situation like that, it seems to me, is

00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.239
always a two -way street, man. And both people

00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.420
are wrong, but they're both right. We don't want

00:57:31.420 --> 00:57:35.719
them to crash. Sometimes I give them a compliment.

00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:37.820
I'm like, look, you don't understand how smart

00:57:37.820 --> 00:57:40.880
you are. Because these people are smart. They're

00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.539
intelligent. They are very particular and precise.

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.239
But if you're trying to explain this to other

00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.500
people, hey, we got to dumb it down. You are

00:57:50.500 --> 00:57:55.000
outstanding in your presentation, but the other

00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.199
people don't realize that. I'm just saying, you're

00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:03.360
so good looking. But I mean, how smart are really

00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.239
if they can't communicate their thoughts? It

00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.079
can be tough. I mean, intelligence is not just

00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.800
remembering something from a book or doing a

00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:15.199
piece of math. Wisdom. So is where that's where

00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.639
wisdom comes into play, man. Yeah. So I think

00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:20.500
I think the culture of education is where this

00:58:20.500 --> 00:58:24.579
goes wrong. And so for me, I think, OK, once

00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:26.800
the kids get out of high school, you make them

00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.219
leave the country for two years, go to a country

00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:31.179
that doesn't speak their language, force them

00:58:31.179 --> 00:58:34.199
to learn it, have them live, have a job. Do things,

00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:36.579
participate in society, figure out who you are,

00:58:36.619 --> 00:58:39.059
then go to college. Because then you'll be a

00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:41.579
more rounded human being once you start to kind

00:58:41.579 --> 00:58:43.559
of chisel down what it is that you want to do

00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.000
in life. Instead of like, oh, you're 18, go to

00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.519
school. I'm like, you're still a fucking kid.

00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:54.860
I think we're seeing a huge change in education

00:58:54.860 --> 00:58:58.539
now, though, especially with the pandemic, where

00:58:58.539 --> 00:59:01.099
it doesn't necessarily mean go to college or

00:59:01.099 --> 00:59:06.019
go to university. I think that a lot of new venues

00:59:06.019 --> 00:59:12.400
and forums are available where you can get a

00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:16.239
quality education without just going to the local

00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.260
college or going to some Ivy League college.

00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:24.579
I think it's changing. I'd like to present something

00:59:24.579 --> 00:59:27.219
from the audience. Ursa Prime, one of my dedicated

00:59:27.219 --> 00:59:31.769
subscribers, brings up an excellent point. cryptocurrency

00:59:31.769 --> 00:59:36.769
lessons learned the terra ustc stablecoin d pegging

00:59:36.769 --> 00:59:38.969
was a painful lesson for me i assume that all

00:59:38.969 --> 00:59:41.789
stable coins were safe after that i took the

00:59:41.789 --> 00:59:45.530
do your own research phrase more seriously and

00:59:45.530 --> 00:59:48.969
i believe the point to be made here is that and

00:59:48.969 --> 00:59:52.530
look i know people who are intelligent and who

00:59:52.530 --> 00:59:55.190
been in crypto for a while and they lost quite

00:59:55.190 --> 00:59:58.250
a bit yeah i don't fault anyone for that situation

00:59:59.050 --> 01:00:01.570
But the point to be made here is that we're working

01:00:01.570 --> 01:00:06.230
with code and we're working with also we're working

01:00:06.230 --> 01:00:10.789
with organizations who have a lot of out there

01:00:10.789 --> 01:00:13.909
ideas. Some of them, you know, maybe maybe something

01:00:13.909 --> 01:00:19.250
potentially novel, like a stable coin that is

01:00:19.250 --> 01:00:21.829
not necessarily backed by dollars or so they

01:00:21.829 --> 01:00:26.489
say, but an algorithmic stable coin. So code

01:00:26.489 --> 01:00:29.639
may fail. There may be a cryptocurrency project

01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:33.239
that overnight, whether it gets hacked because

01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.500
of an issue in the blockchain, how it was coded

01:00:36.500 --> 01:00:39.579
because of the infrastructure, maybe a smart

01:00:39.579 --> 01:00:42.280
contract doesn't work with the token. There is

01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:47.280
always that chance that it goes to zero. So not

01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:51.019
financial advice, but I personally think I would

01:00:51.019 --> 01:00:55.539
diversify in as much as possible. So how do you

01:00:55.539 --> 01:00:58.280
fend against that? I mean, by all of this being

01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:03.260
open or open source to the community where it

01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:09.840
can be evaluated? I wouldn't necessarily say

01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.360
that. I like the idea of open source because

01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:17.460
you can always have other parties audit it, whether

01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:19.760
it's open source or not, but you can have the

01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:27.099
public audit it. all the code is known and there's

01:01:27.099 --> 01:01:30.380
possible exploitations it gets exploited sooner

01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:33.559
than rather than later because it's much more

01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.739
easy to pick out but it's also more easy for

01:01:36.739 --> 01:01:41.119
a white hat to say here's what's wrong with your

01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.360
code all right give me my bug bounty what do

01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.199
you think travis i know you have something here

01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:49.559
i want to hear it um no no well i don't really

01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:51.699
have anything lined up but i i would say that

01:01:51.699 --> 01:01:55.739
i think that um A lot of times you don't see

01:01:55.739 --> 01:01:58.440
people just lighting up to work on your GitHub

01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.780
repos. A lot of that is still done by the company

01:02:01.780 --> 01:02:04.219
and the people who are doing exploits aren't

01:02:04.219 --> 01:02:06.880
sharing that, you know, out of your source, right?

01:02:07.099 --> 01:02:10.340
And they find an exploit and then they start

01:02:10.340 --> 01:02:12.159
hitting it. They start hitting it. And so you've

01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.739
got to have a whole another tool set in order

01:02:15.739 --> 01:02:19.400
to identify when, you know, when gaming, you

01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.820
know, happens like this. um do you have you know

01:02:22.820 --> 01:02:26.260
white hats that step in and say hey uh this should

01:02:26.260 --> 01:02:28.659
not be done this way yes you do and do you have

01:02:28.659 --> 01:02:30.800
prs you're coming through github all the time

01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.960
yes you do and um you know is the community a

01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:37.239
vital part of you know of these projects of course

01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:41.059
and uh i i think if if anything a lot of times

01:02:41.059 --> 01:02:44.159
there may not be enough folks internally that

01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.159
you know are able to process a lot of these prs

01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.079
or and you know validate them and make sure that

01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.360
that's what needs to be uh pulled into the code

01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:59.880
base so um excellent points uh can i say with

01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:03.639
tara they collapsed because they were over leveraged

01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:07.679
right they they had uh it was i forget like the

01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:11.369
percentage but it was like they had one one dollar

01:03:11.369 --> 01:03:13.630
for every 100 that was leveraged out or something

01:03:13.630 --> 01:03:17.110
something absolutely absurd so it was like the

01:03:17.110 --> 01:03:20.590
code isn't the part that failed it was the organization's

01:03:20.590 --> 01:03:25.849
actions that caused them to not be not have what

01:03:25.849 --> 01:03:27.829
it takes it's the same thing that just happened

01:03:27.829 --> 01:03:32.329
with ftx is they the organization was the ones

01:03:32.329 --> 01:03:34.190
that were at fault the code didn't do anything

01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:38.570
the code functioned well the code created a ponzi

01:03:38.570 --> 01:03:44.420
scheme It functioned to a nefarious end. It functioned

01:03:44.420 --> 01:03:47.300
the way that it was meant to function. Yes. Exactly.

01:03:47.460 --> 01:03:55.400
Yes. All right. We're going to continue on with

01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.059
the points here. Like I said, in the audience,

01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:01.320
if you have any lessons learned in crypto over

01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.800
2022 or even the years prior to that, go ahead.

01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:10.199
Let us know. I have a lot. I've actually thought

01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.980
out this content. So there's plenty that I can

01:04:12.980 --> 01:04:18.599
pull from. Now, one of them that I do want to

01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:22.300
bring up is with this crowdsource model, if you

01:04:22.300 --> 01:04:24.099
want to call them tip -ins, token -incentivized

01:04:24.099 --> 01:04:27.099
public infrastructure networks, mining, et cetera,

01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.480
it's very hard to get everyone on the same page

01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:35.820
and to do things the right way, even when there's

01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:39.570
high stakes involved. give a small example i'll

01:04:39.570 --> 01:04:41.389
give a large example and then you guys give me

01:04:41.389 --> 01:04:45.809
your opinions so with hot spots there were plenty

01:04:45.809 --> 01:04:48.690
of hot spots that other cryptocurrency miners

01:04:48.690 --> 01:04:51.710
got in gpu and asic guys who they do have a technical

01:04:51.710 --> 01:04:55.769
background but do they necessarily understand

01:04:55.769 --> 01:05:00.489
the rf portion of helium not so much they left

01:05:00.489 --> 01:05:02.670
it somewhere in the middle of their house or

01:05:02.670 --> 01:05:04.710
maybe they put in a window but they didn't really

01:05:04.710 --> 01:05:09.780
understand it and Even like getting them to get

01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:12.280
to that point was a struggle, although they're

01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.880
a cryptocurrency miner. Now, one of the things

01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:17.920
that I'll say, and Travis, correct me if I'm

01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:21.119
wrong, of course, when we've seen the validators

01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:27.239
go online and then we've seen the move from regular

01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.219
hotspots to light hotspots, there were some issues

01:05:30.219 --> 01:05:33.519
in the first days getting people to open up the

01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.530
ports. There's not really a line of communication

01:05:37.530 --> 01:05:40.630
directly to everyone who owns a validator. They

01:05:40.630 --> 01:05:45.269
don't sign up for an emailing list. They do have

01:05:45.269 --> 01:05:48.230
notifications through Discord. They can subscribe

01:05:48.230 --> 01:05:51.590
to validator information on Discord. But the

01:05:51.590 --> 01:05:54.030
point I'm getting at is many of them dropped

01:05:54.030 --> 01:05:56.969
the ball and that hurt the network for a little

01:05:56.969 --> 01:06:02.320
while there. Even those who are responsible in

01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.780
their administration of validators, just because

01:06:05.780 --> 01:06:09.219
they are doesn't necessarily mean that hardware.

01:06:09.340 --> 01:06:11.699
I'm just saying this in general. I like using

01:06:11.699 --> 01:06:13.940
Helium as an example because we know a lot about

01:06:13.940 --> 01:06:17.980
it, but this is for all networks. It doesn't

01:06:17.980 --> 01:06:20.300
necessarily, even if everyone's doing everything

01:06:20.300 --> 01:06:23.260
right, there may be technical issues. behind

01:06:23.260 --> 01:06:26.800
the scenes that might not work out but or could

01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:31.019
be an administration thing but the point is there's

01:06:31.019 --> 01:06:33.199
a drawback to this crowdsourced model and it's

01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:35.860
that not everyone is going to do things the way

01:06:35.860 --> 01:06:37.579
that they should do they're not always going

01:06:37.579 --> 01:06:39.519
to abide by best practices they're not always

01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:41.940
going to have the best interest of the network

01:06:41.940 --> 01:06:46.360
and other people may suffer because of that and

01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:49.099
we see that in other networks as well this is

01:06:49.099 --> 01:06:54.159
not the only one um You need to have a way to

01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:57.539
kick those out, to recognize and kick out outliers,

01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.039
you know, who are not participating. I've seen

01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.460
so many people, for example, and I got to call

01:07:04.460 --> 01:07:07.139
them out by name because, you know, I know that

01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:09.179
I've seen them up at four o 'clock in the morning

01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:12.159
so many times. But the folks over at Stakejoy,

01:07:12.340 --> 01:07:15.320
which their API is used by a number of other

01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.820
services, you know, in lieu of the Helium API.

01:07:20.730 --> 01:07:23.150
They're on top of the ball and I've seen them,

01:07:23.150 --> 01:07:25.789
you know, do four o 'clock in the morning work

01:07:25.789 --> 01:07:30.050
every time it needs to be done. And so many people

01:07:30.050 --> 01:07:32.510
are, yes, you know, straight up on the ball on

01:07:32.510 --> 01:07:35.210
this. And the outliers need to be identified

01:07:35.210 --> 01:07:39.630
and be publicly kind of exposed, I guess, and

01:07:39.630 --> 01:07:42.610
just said, hey, these people are not are not

01:07:42.610 --> 01:07:45.070
playing ball the way that this needs to happen

01:07:45.070 --> 01:07:48.369
in order for the community to function properly.

01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:50.940
And I think that needs to be public. It needs

01:07:50.940 --> 01:07:59.139
to be done. That's by two cents. Yeah. And when

01:07:59.139 --> 01:08:02.760
it comes to crowdsourced infrastructure, there

01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:05.820
is going to be... A lot of this comes from the

01:08:05.820 --> 01:08:08.000
mining community. People are here to turn a profit.

01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:12.139
And if they find it to be too much of a hassle,

01:08:12.300 --> 01:08:15.360
if they find it to... They just think it's no

01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.109
longer worth it. There's a chance that... a part

01:08:18.109 --> 01:08:20.229
of that network is going to go offline. Now,

01:08:20.229 --> 01:08:25.029
it doesn't matter if it's helium and your device

01:08:25.029 --> 01:08:28.529
is using their hotspot or connectivity, or maybe

01:08:28.529 --> 01:08:32.989
it's flux and your load is hosted on their server

01:08:32.989 --> 01:08:36.270
or their device. That's just the reality of this.

01:08:36.510 --> 01:08:39.050
I think the drop -dead point is when it crosses

01:08:39.050 --> 01:08:43.390
the electricity cost, where it honestly costs

01:08:43.390 --> 01:08:46.770
more to run it than it's, yeah. Excellent point.

01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:49.340
that is certainly true we saw that in europe

01:08:49.340 --> 01:08:54.760
um this past year um in in certain areas so and

01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.159
let me let me continue off of that another lesson

01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:03.319
learned there are going to be events that take

01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:05.500
place in other major cryptocurrencies i mean

01:09:05.500 --> 01:09:09.420
minor ones but major ones that have an effect

01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:12.600
on the market overall a massive effect in some

01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:14.819
cases and the example that comes to mind when

01:09:14.819 --> 01:09:20.640
you mention electricity It was GPU mining where

01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:23.720
when they went, when Ethereum went to proof of

01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.659
stake, there was so much hash power that went

01:09:26.659 --> 01:09:30.279
on to the other GPU mining networks. They were

01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.960
too competitive and basically not profitable

01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:36.560
anymore. And we actually seen, I believe was

01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:40.060
Ergo, where you've seen this massive spike in

01:09:40.060 --> 01:09:42.899
hash power come on and then drop off. And it

01:09:42.899 --> 01:09:46.430
made block time so long. that they were struggling

01:09:46.430 --> 01:09:48.970
i don't think they got to the next epoch which

01:09:48.970 --> 01:09:52.090
is where the difficulty would be adjusted so

01:09:52.090 --> 01:09:54.189
those block times would shorten up and adjust

01:09:54.189 --> 01:09:56.949
for all the hash power that they lost when a

01:09:56.949 --> 01:09:59.489
bunch of people just brought their brought their

01:09:59.489 --> 01:10:04.449
rigs offline so there are going to be black swan

01:10:04.449 --> 01:10:07.909
events but like events that come in from other

01:10:07.909 --> 01:10:10.229
spaces in the cryptocurrency and affect your

01:10:10.229 --> 01:10:15.920
project sure and you know, economy events in

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.899
general. Yeah. Like what we've seen with FTX,

01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:23.140
what we've seen with Tara, what we've seen with,

01:10:23.180 --> 01:10:24.939
what was the other one in the beginning of the

01:10:24.939 --> 01:10:27.880
year, Chris, we talked about Celsius, Celsius.

01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:34.600
Yes. And this is something you have to think

01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:39.359
about prior to getting in. I mean, assess your

01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:44.539
risks. Yes. Yeah. And, Another thing I want to

01:10:44.539 --> 01:10:47.779
add, and, you know, I see a lot of people who

01:10:47.779 --> 01:10:52.119
started businesses around mining and not just

01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:56.699
helium, but we've seen so much with helium. They

01:10:56.699 --> 01:11:01.319
really they dump so much money in and a lot of

01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.359
them had great spots to put them. They had a

01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:08.119
lot of good ideas. And as it became no longer

01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:13.000
profitable, it no longer as profitable. I mean,

01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:14.739
there you go. Yeah, I got to tell that correction.

01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.739
But yes, it no longer is profitable. It became

01:11:20.739 --> 01:11:24.680
really they may have not broken even on their

01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:27.460
equipment or they might just be left with a device

01:11:27.460 --> 01:11:30.560
that they can't use and maybe don't want to sell.

01:11:31.579 --> 01:11:33.939
I shouldn't say can't use or just not using.

01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.640
They don't have a place to put it. So plan accordingly.

01:11:36.739 --> 01:11:39.420
And this goes across the board. Same thing with

01:11:39.420 --> 01:11:45.680
with. hive mapper okay you know when when people

01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.699
are buying 20 devices at once and thinking about

01:11:49.699 --> 01:11:53.399
setting up this massive fleet of of hive mapper

01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.819
devices you have to think is it always going

01:11:55.819 --> 01:11:58.319
to be profitable enough for you to have that

01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:01.640
overhead and have to manage it and then you have

01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:04.260
to have to manage it that's huge man yeah manage

01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.680
the taxes that because you're paying out to other

01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:10.060
people you have to deal with people being unreliable

01:12:10.430 --> 01:12:12.390
and how they're going to administer the advice

01:12:12.390 --> 01:12:15.989
in some cases you have to think about um all

01:12:15.989 --> 01:12:18.529
the factors that can go wrong equipment getting

01:12:18.529 --> 01:12:24.109
lost stolen stolen yeah yeah look those those

01:12:24.109 --> 01:12:28.449
um people that are hosting for you they might

01:12:28.449 --> 01:12:31.510
not be happy with the outcome and you could lose

01:12:31.510 --> 01:12:34.489
friends it's a real thing you can sour relationships

01:12:34.489 --> 01:12:37.989
over money when it comes to this kind of stuff

01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:42.720
Question for a poll. I mean, just a general poll

01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:45.340
on your call here, Joe. Out of how many miners

01:12:45.340 --> 01:12:49.539
you have in the field, how many are online? You

01:12:49.539 --> 01:12:51.720
want to do the poll of the audience? Honest question,

01:12:51.779 --> 01:12:56.060
man. So one network. I mean, I was thinking helium,

01:12:56.140 --> 01:12:58.779
but I mean, just whatever network you're involved

01:12:58.779 --> 01:13:02.880
in. For miners on the helium network right now,

01:13:02.939 --> 01:13:08.789
it would be. So I have three that. took a crap

01:13:08.789 --> 01:13:15.590
out of 14 regular hotspots. But I also have probably

01:13:15.590 --> 01:13:18.470
another three that are offline because hosts

01:13:18.470 --> 01:13:22.029
have turned them off or because I haven't collected

01:13:22.029 --> 01:13:25.949
them yet. Or SD card issues, maybe. I mean, there's

01:13:25.949 --> 01:13:29.369
a number of issues that things may be offline.

01:13:29.630 --> 01:13:32.430
I believe I have at least seven online right

01:13:32.430 --> 01:13:38.949
now. Okay. And I get about one. 0 .3 hnt every

01:13:38.949 --> 01:13:41.529
day so i have a couple good really good setups

01:13:41.529 --> 01:13:45.090
i'm still out in the suburbs okay okay but um

01:13:45.090 --> 01:13:48.270
as far as other miners i have some other things

01:13:48.270 --> 01:13:50.989
that are going right now threefold i do this

01:13:50.989 --> 01:13:57.069
thing with the hive mapper dash cam there's something

01:13:57.069 --> 01:14:00.289
else i do but i forget exactly what it was match

01:14:00.289 --> 01:14:03.390
x i don't do that anymore match x was stupid

01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.659
That was a project I thought, and we can talk

01:14:07.659 --> 01:14:09.039
about them because there are a lot of lessons

01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:11.619
that came from that project. That's a project

01:14:11.619 --> 01:14:15.899
I thought had a lot of potential, even though

01:14:15.899 --> 01:14:21.819
it seemed odd in a lot of ways. There's really

01:14:21.819 --> 01:14:24.579
no development, and everything about it screams

01:14:24.579 --> 01:14:29.399
of Ponzi, in my opinion. PocketChangeXD, thanks

01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:31.829
for being here. If you want to get your husband,

01:14:31.949 --> 01:14:34.069
Chump, to call in and share with us some of his

01:14:34.069 --> 01:14:39.029
lessons learned, he's more than welcome to. But

01:14:39.029 --> 01:14:43.489
I don't know how much you want to talk about

01:14:43.489 --> 01:14:48.390
match -ups, Travis, but I have a whole video

01:14:48.390 --> 01:14:51.909
dunking on them and how many things were wrong

01:14:51.909 --> 01:14:55.770
with that project. And I actually just posted

01:14:55.770 --> 01:14:58.979
another video on it. with 30 seconds because

01:14:58.979 --> 01:15:02.159
we're on a live stream. Actually, real quick,

01:15:02.220 --> 01:15:05.239
I want to do your poll, Travis. Okay. How many

01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.460
videos, I mean, how many minors do you still

01:15:07.460 --> 01:15:10.479
have online? I'll set up a poll with the audience.

01:15:10.739 --> 01:15:15.500
Okay. I was just curious, you know. Because I

01:15:15.500 --> 01:15:20.460
know with the HNT earnings dropping this past

01:15:20.460 --> 01:15:23.560
year, a lot of folks, yeah, I know that one's

01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.159
down. Do you just want to do HNT or do you want

01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:30.020
to do GPU rigs as well? Whatever you're involved

01:15:30.020 --> 01:15:33.760
in. I know mainly helium because that's what

01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:37.520
I'm involved in. But yeah, I'm just curious across

01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:40.140
the board, really. People who are still in the

01:15:40.140 --> 01:15:45.649
game but have some rigs that are down. Let's

01:15:45.649 --> 01:15:48.149
word it a little bit differently. How many miners

01:15:48.149 --> 01:15:53.149
do you have offline? All types of miners. Out

01:15:53.149 --> 01:15:56.850
of how many you have. It needs to be a percentage.

01:15:58.770 --> 01:16:03.310
It's tricky to do a poll on this. I'm not sure

01:16:03.310 --> 01:16:12.470
it would work. I have three, but I've been through

01:16:12.470 --> 01:16:15.270
a bunch of helium miners whether it was just

01:16:15.270 --> 01:16:16.850
like getting them and selling them just because

01:16:16.850 --> 01:16:20.770
it was the better option to do at the time or

01:16:20.770 --> 01:16:23.430
uh just like i had a bobcat and i got rid of

01:16:23.430 --> 01:16:25.569
that because i got sense caps and i like the

01:16:25.569 --> 01:16:28.850
sense cap uh firmware better yeah so i have uh

01:16:28.850 --> 01:16:33.010
three sense caps i have uh two m2s and one of

01:16:33.010 --> 01:16:35.430
the data only hot spots and they're all offline

01:16:35.430 --> 01:16:39.010
right now um so yeah i haven't heard anything

01:16:39.010 --> 01:16:42.090
in the past past 60 days i just moved so i had

01:16:42.090 --> 01:16:44.229
to take everything down Then I had one at my

01:16:44.229 --> 01:16:47.390
friend's apartment and he he doesn't live in

01:16:47.390 --> 01:16:51.189
that apartment anymore. So it's like he moved

01:16:51.189 --> 01:16:56.050
from I live in Pennsylvania. So he lived at Westchester

01:16:56.050 --> 01:16:57.810
area, which is just outside of Philadelphia.

01:16:57.949 --> 01:17:00.289
Then they moved into Philadelphia. And if I had

01:17:00.289 --> 01:17:02.729
a hotspot in Philadelphia, it wouldn't really

01:17:02.729 --> 01:17:05.569
make much sense because it's so over concentrated.

01:17:06.029 --> 01:17:10.439
Yeah. Yeah, and all of mine that actually burn

01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:13.399
are in the middle of nowhere or in what used

01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:17.119
to be lone wolves, you know? Yeah. Those are

01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:20.619
the ones that actually crank HNT. I'll give my

01:17:20.619 --> 01:17:23.039
numbers. I've got, and some of these are dated

01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:27.399
only, I understand, but I've got 32, 18 down.

01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:34.779
Wow. All right. Yeah. It's going on with all

01:17:34.779 --> 01:17:37.560
of us. I've had some that I need to send back

01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:41.060
and I still have yet to do it. I'm procrastinating

01:17:41.060 --> 01:17:44.760
a little bit. Or you have better things going

01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.659
on that make more sense to concentrate on that.

01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:56.920
I do have the poll going live. Votes are coming

01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:59.140
in right now. We have 14 watching, 11 votes.

01:18:00.100 --> 01:18:04.039
Thus far, it's about 55 % saved from 0 % to 25

01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:09.500
% of their miners are offline. Okay. Can't you

01:18:09.500 --> 01:18:12.720
see on the Helium Explorer the percentage of

01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:16.500
hotspots that are up versus not? Yeah, and some

01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:19.840
of those are going to be blacklisted. You have

01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:21.939
to take that into consideration as well, I think,

01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.579
when we're talking about these numbers. Hey,

01:18:25.939 --> 01:18:28.079
fellas. Sorry, I got to get going. I only had

01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:29.930
a couple minutes here. Patrick, it's good seeing

01:18:29.930 --> 01:18:32.890
you, man. Patrick, I appreciate it. Thanks for

01:18:32.890 --> 01:18:36.810
letting me just stand around and have the screen

01:18:36.810 --> 01:18:39.789
look a little more complete with four squares

01:18:39.789 --> 01:18:42.649
and not three. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that we're,

01:18:42.649 --> 01:18:45.670
you know. You're good. We're all over the place.

01:18:46.109 --> 01:18:48.010
It's good seeing you, though. I love it. Wish

01:18:48.010 --> 01:18:49.850
I had some more time, man. Catch you guys later.

01:18:50.170 --> 01:18:51.649
Thanks for being here. See you on the next stream.

01:18:51.970 --> 01:18:56.449
See ya. So, do you want to talk about gaming

01:18:56.449 --> 01:19:00.369
of the network at all? travis or we can i think

01:19:00.369 --> 01:19:03.869
it's a enormous concern uh both i mean so all

01:19:03.869 --> 01:19:05.789
parties involved you know i think it affects

01:19:05.789 --> 01:19:10.350
everyone yeah yeah so what i've learned from

01:19:10.350 --> 01:19:14.529
from uh the insight that i got into helium but

01:19:14.529 --> 01:19:17.010
other networks as well look at pollen mobile

01:19:17.010 --> 01:19:21.229
it was even happening on flux anything that can

01:19:21.229 --> 01:19:24.710
be gained anything that can be cheated will be

01:19:24.710 --> 01:19:30.149
even in the most tedious of manner because even

01:19:30.149 --> 01:19:32.010
though you get past that little tedious part

01:19:32.010 --> 01:19:35.109
when it comes to manually doing it you can automate

01:19:35.109 --> 01:19:39.430
it it happens it will happen to an endless extent

01:19:39.430 --> 01:19:43.989
and um you know i've never cheated the network

01:19:43.989 --> 01:19:47.729
i would not feel good about myself doing that

01:19:47.729 --> 01:19:49.750
but i could also not stand here and tell you

01:19:49.750 --> 01:19:54.439
that um you know i'm this great youtuber People

01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:56.899
would find out and my reputation would be soiled.

01:19:56.899 --> 01:19:58.699
Right, right. Regardless, I've screwed up in

01:19:58.699 --> 01:20:02.060
my past and I do not want to go down that road

01:20:02.060 --> 01:20:05.960
again. So I did not cheat it. I've had people

01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:09.239
message me on email saying, hey, how much do

01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.720
I have to pay you to show me how to cheat the

01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:14.939
network? Ignore. Fuck that. I've cheated the

01:20:14.939 --> 01:20:18.199
network. And it was not intentional. And, you

01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:21.220
know, it was something that we fixed that issue

01:20:21.220 --> 01:20:23.439
because of it. But it had to do way back in the

01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:27.560
day where it wasn't a one -to -one DC transfer.

01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.500
And so you could have a virtual device that was

01:20:31.500 --> 01:20:34.220
running tests against something and it would

01:20:34.220 --> 01:20:36.039
just be cranking through and you would actually

01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:39.260
be earning off of that gateway because it wasn't

01:20:39.260 --> 01:20:41.079
one -to -one at that point. I'm like, oh, shit.

01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:44.829
Would you like to explain that? Now, we're talking

01:20:44.829 --> 01:20:47.170
about data credit, so it's a very, very minute,

01:20:47.409 --> 01:20:50.989
it's a fraction of a cent, but people did cheat

01:20:50.989 --> 01:20:53.090
the network in that manner. I want to use this

01:20:53.090 --> 01:20:55.390
as an example of how... For a couple days, for

01:20:55.390 --> 01:20:58.930
a couple days, until, yeah, it was taken care

01:20:58.930 --> 01:21:02.210
of, yeah. And it made to be a zero -sum game,

01:21:02.329 --> 01:21:05.770
yes. Yeah, so even where people could find...

01:21:05.930 --> 01:21:09.710
fractions of a cent to exploit. Oh, people are

01:21:09.710 --> 01:21:13.090
auto -creating thousands of accounts just to

01:21:13.090 --> 01:21:17.909
get the free 800 data credits on console now.

01:21:18.109 --> 01:21:20.869
So yeah, if you can automate something, people

01:21:20.869 --> 01:21:23.329
are going to do it. If it's for money, people

01:21:23.329 --> 01:21:30.489
are going to be doing it then. One of the things

01:21:30.489 --> 01:21:32.710
you kind of have to understand about the internet

01:21:32.710 --> 01:21:38.119
space is that Not all hacking crimes are prosecuted

01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:40.680
because so many happen so often. And you really

01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:44.279
have bots that do it quite often that are just

01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:49.340
good. Yeah. And the point, the point is there's

01:21:49.340 --> 01:21:52.199
not always going to be legal ramifications for

01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.300
these people. So a lot of this can run rampant,

01:21:54.300 --> 01:21:57.140
especially on crypto networks. Yeah. Lesson learned.

01:21:57.380 --> 01:22:01.119
Yeah. But the links people will go to the game

01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:04.989
and network. Yeah. Are. extraordinary you know

01:22:04.989 --> 01:22:08.949
what you see every day is someone um impersonating

01:22:08.949 --> 01:22:11.989
an admin or impersonating a moderator you see

01:22:11.989 --> 01:22:17.649
that every day i mean on youtube if you go to

01:22:17.649 --> 01:22:20.510
the youtube comments of pretty much any youtuber

01:22:20.510 --> 01:22:23.729
in the crypto space there is a response on someone's

01:22:23.729 --> 01:22:26.850
comment says like dm me on whatsapp so we can

01:22:26.850 --> 01:22:30.489
chat more it's Yeah, and what they do, they'll

01:22:30.489 --> 01:22:32.569
use like a Cyrillic character. They'll change

01:22:32.569 --> 01:22:36.250
one character in a typeface, right? And so it

01:22:36.250 --> 01:22:38.529
looks identical to the name. They have the same

01:22:38.529 --> 01:22:40.350
avatar. They have everything else that looks.

01:22:40.430 --> 01:22:43.630
And they DM you. I had someone DM me as myself

01:22:43.630 --> 01:22:46.590
one time asking me, and I'm like, oh, come on.

01:22:46.630 --> 01:22:48.810
You got to up your game a little bit here. This

01:22:48.810 --> 01:22:52.609
is ridiculous. But yeah, that's a daily thing,

01:22:52.729 --> 01:22:55.270
I'm sure, on every network out there. Yeah, and

01:22:55.270 --> 01:22:57.670
that's why we have blockchain. to begin with

01:22:57.670 --> 01:23:01.609
now look when it comes to the utility cases that's

01:23:01.609 --> 01:23:04.970
a different story because that can be gamed we're

01:23:04.970 --> 01:23:08.689
still figuring out in each individual case how

01:23:08.689 --> 01:23:13.210
to stop that but blockchain itself bitcoin was

01:23:13.210 --> 01:23:16.250
meant to be resilient against attacks and just

01:23:16.250 --> 01:23:19.770
be open and transparent as possible while still

01:23:19.770 --> 01:23:23.590
having that that armor that hardening against

01:23:23.590 --> 01:23:29.069
network attacks Your poll has answered. Osvaldo,

01:23:29.149 --> 01:23:31.550
welcome to the stream. Crypto Hunter, welcome

01:23:31.550 --> 01:23:33.750
to the stream. I didn't see you before. How many

01:23:33.750 --> 01:23:36.069
miners do you have offline? All types of miners.

01:23:36.789 --> 01:23:42.010
40 % say between 0 % and 20%. 33 % say between

01:23:42.010 --> 01:23:47.989
71 % and 90%. Wow. 20 % say between 21 % and

01:23:47.989 --> 01:23:53.350
50%. 6 % say between 51 % and 70%. Geek of all

01:23:53.350 --> 01:24:00.470
trades, welcome to... Welcome to the chat. That's

01:24:00.470 --> 01:24:06.170
pretty just wild that it's 40 % is zero to 20.

01:24:06.229 --> 01:24:10.210
And then the next closest is 71 to 90%. So it's

01:24:10.210 --> 01:24:14.569
both ends of the spectrum there. So that doesn't

01:24:14.569 --> 01:24:16.149
include people who have completely pulled them

01:24:16.149 --> 01:24:20.689
off, right? I mean, that's, that's, I don't know.

01:24:21.729 --> 01:24:28.560
That's wild. Oh, well, one person messed up on

01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.239
the poll and said it was online. They thought

01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:38.840
it was online miners. Okay. It's still kind of

01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:43.560
wild numbers, at least from my end. For all different

01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:47.220
reasons, I'm sure. Chris, lessons learned. You

01:24:47.220 --> 01:24:50.920
got any? I thought we were already talking about

01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:54.970
lessons learned. With helium? with any crypto

01:24:54.970 --> 01:24:58.850
well i i think the sustainability thing is one

01:24:58.850 --> 01:25:01.630
of the things i look at first and just being

01:25:01.630 --> 01:25:07.229
so aware being uh with all the scams that we've

01:25:07.229 --> 01:25:08.930
seen in the past it kind of makes you more hyper

01:25:08.930 --> 01:25:12.810
aware of what to look for and uh specifically

01:25:12.810 --> 01:25:16.310
i spent a lot of time over the summer looking

01:25:16.310 --> 01:25:19.250
at smart contracts and how they work and i don't

01:25:19.250 --> 01:25:26.529
know if you guys know what um stable fund. It's

01:25:26.529 --> 01:25:31.489
a massive, massive DeFi project and it was built

01:25:31.489 --> 01:25:34.369
on, I believe, Binance Smart Chain. Just a smart

01:25:34.369 --> 01:25:36.670
contract, but it had a function to rug and they

01:25:36.670 --> 01:25:40.289
ran away with millions simply because of just

01:25:40.289 --> 01:25:43.970
a small thing in the code that people didn't

01:25:43.970 --> 01:25:46.800
see. They just invested into it because... there

01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:49.359
was other people investing into it. And if it

01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:51.460
had $8 million in it, surely it couldn't be a

01:25:51.460 --> 01:25:54.779
scam, right? So that's the issue a lot of people

01:25:54.779 --> 01:25:57.140
also see is that because there's a lot of money

01:25:57.140 --> 01:25:59.760
in it, it has to be good. There can't be anything

01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:01.939
wrong with it. You saw that with SafeMoon too.

01:26:02.119 --> 01:26:04.319
Everyone was buying into SafeMoon and look what

01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:07.220
happened. They lost their money. But it's kind

01:26:07.220 --> 01:26:09.640
of this, the fear of missing out that a lot of

01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:11.319
people get. They want to be a part of something.

01:26:12.500 --> 01:26:15.159
regardless of it, they lose money. And it's just,

01:26:15.180 --> 01:26:17.180
it's unfortunate. It's something that people

01:26:17.180 --> 01:26:20.899
have to be aware of. And going forward, I mean,

01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:23.560
you have these issues without cryptocurrency.

01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:25.439
You have this in the real world. People make

01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:29.119
mistakes like this all the time. It's just something

01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:31.460
we have to be more conscious of. Yeah, you're

01:26:31.460 --> 01:26:33.159
right. And there's a lot of good people in this

01:26:33.159 --> 01:26:36.300
space. And I think there's a lot of good communities

01:26:36.300 --> 01:26:38.800
that have been built up around this. And, you

01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:41.979
know, I think that they're, I think that's important.

01:26:42.180 --> 01:26:45.079
I think it's important to know and be able to

01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:47.819
trust someone. Because one thing, Joe, you brought

01:26:47.819 --> 01:26:52.899
up is like identity and anonymity. Those are

01:26:52.899 --> 01:26:55.500
two things that, yes, we can get through through,

01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:59.899
you know, a chain. But they're both, I believe,

01:26:59.960 --> 01:27:03.239
equally important. But I mean, are those mutually

01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:07.460
exclusive? Can I be anonymous and approve identity?

01:27:08.029 --> 01:27:11.770
And how do I do that and establish that on chain?

01:27:12.550 --> 01:27:15.489
Well, you can actually do stuff similar like

01:27:15.489 --> 01:27:20.430
that with like signing transactions on with MetaMask

01:27:20.430 --> 01:27:24.289
and stuff. So you can choose if you want to share

01:27:24.289 --> 01:27:26.170
this data, share that data. And I think that's

01:27:26.170 --> 01:27:27.750
kind of the route that they're going to go on

01:27:27.750 --> 01:27:30.050
because signing transactions, it doesn't cost

01:27:30.050 --> 01:27:32.310
anything. It's pretty much you go on a website

01:27:32.310 --> 01:27:34.510
and they actually have some of these bots in

01:27:34.510 --> 01:27:37.220
Discord. as sort of a verification bot where

01:27:37.220 --> 01:27:40.239
you'll sign a transaction and it verifies that

01:27:40.239 --> 01:27:41.899
you are a legitimate person you're allowed in

01:27:41.899 --> 01:27:43.659
the discord server but i think they have it on

01:27:43.659 --> 01:27:48.979
openc and a few other really large uh crypto

01:27:48.979 --> 01:27:51.399
projects you're just signing it or you're you're

01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:54.439
um yeah it's just like a very small um amount

01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:58.439
to sign that there's no crypto yeah as far as

01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.239
i know there's no transaction that goes through

01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.760
it's just uh you know it's pretty much just like

01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:08.510
an approve button Gotcha. Because I think anonymity

01:28:08.510 --> 01:28:11.130
is something that is about to be huge, especially

01:28:11.130 --> 01:28:14.590
in South America, especially in a lot of countries

01:28:14.590 --> 01:28:20.050
where monetary systems aren't very stable, where

01:28:20.050 --> 01:28:25.689
it's almost impossible to operate financially

01:28:25.689 --> 01:28:29.909
anonymously. And I think we're starting to see

01:28:29.909 --> 01:28:33.720
that. blow the hell up right now. And I think

01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:37.699
it's critical for the development of a lot of

01:28:37.699 --> 01:28:41.279
things in these countries to have that type of

01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:52.279
utility in place. Yeah. Travis, any other thoughts

01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:55.119
you want to add as far as lessons learned or

01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.380
whatever you'd like to discuss? I don't know,

01:28:57.399 --> 01:29:01.460
man. I consider all of this stuff funny money,

01:29:01.579 --> 01:29:04.260
you know. I mean, if it's not something that

01:29:04.260 --> 01:29:06.699
you can, you know, wash down the toilet or, you

01:29:06.699 --> 01:29:09.479
know, throw down the sink, don't go into it thinking

01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:12.479
that it's still going to be there tomorrow. I

01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:15.420
mean, just you got to be careful. There's a lot

01:29:15.420 --> 01:29:17.460
of very volatile things out there right now,

01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.640
even to have a ton of support behind them, you

01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:24.460
know. And so if it's not something you can really

01:29:24.460 --> 01:29:27.279
afford just to throw out the window, be fucking

01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:31.909
careful, man, you know. Be cautious. Think about

01:29:31.909 --> 01:29:35.810
where that could be. And yeah, you're not going

01:29:35.810 --> 01:29:37.869
to make a ton in normal investments at a bank.

01:29:38.010 --> 01:29:39.909
I mean, your interest isn't going to be huge,

01:29:40.029 --> 01:29:43.949
but it'll still be there tomorrow. And I know

01:29:43.949 --> 01:29:46.729
I'm probably on the outliers to say something

01:29:46.729 --> 01:29:50.170
like that, but I mean it. Be very cautious with

01:29:50.170 --> 01:29:53.210
what you're playing with nowadays. No, I agree.

01:29:53.369 --> 01:29:55.909
And I mean, we talked about code failing before,

01:29:55.989 --> 01:29:59.409
but you will see from time to time in this space

01:29:59.409 --> 01:30:04.090
that there are projects that they never started

01:30:04.090 --> 01:30:08.930
off with bad intentions, but they end up being

01:30:08.930 --> 01:30:11.850
an unintentional rug pull because developers

01:30:11.850 --> 01:30:16.550
quit. There's issues with leadership. Maybe like

01:30:16.550 --> 01:30:19.699
we've seen one cryptocurrency, which was. i think

01:30:19.699 --> 01:30:22.920
kind of funny but kind of sad also they took

01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.819
a vote and someone just wrote an improvement

01:30:25.819 --> 01:30:28.819
proposal where it's like send all the money to

01:30:28.819 --> 01:30:31.159
so -and -so's wallet and a bunch of people voted

01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:33.779
yes and i'm sure he had some weight on that vote

01:30:33.779 --> 01:30:37.380
and screwed the entirety of the project things

01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:41.600
happen there's all there's still a sense of having

01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:45.619
to run a cryptocurrency project with best practices

01:30:45.619 --> 01:30:50.630
as a business adhere to the Legal or lack of

01:30:50.630 --> 01:30:53.789
legal framework and clarification in a lot of

01:30:53.789 --> 01:30:58.609
instances. And having to have that PR, having

01:30:58.609 --> 01:31:02.850
to have that name, reputation, and deal with

01:31:02.850 --> 01:31:06.949
events that, related or unrelated, have impact

01:31:06.949 --> 01:31:10.250
on the project. And the unknown. A lot of this

01:31:10.250 --> 01:31:14.270
is unknown. It's a very new space. But excellent

01:31:14.270 --> 01:31:20.279
point, Travis. And I like that. Cool. Well, you

01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:21.960
know, Joe, thank you very much for having me

01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:25.119
on tonight. I appreciate that. Thank you for

01:31:25.119 --> 01:31:29.319
coming on. I appreciate it. We're probably going

01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:31.180
to go for at least two hours. You're welcome

01:31:31.180 --> 01:31:35.460
to stay or go whenever you like. I don't want

01:31:35.460 --> 01:31:37.699
to hold you up. You carry on. I love having you

01:31:37.699 --> 01:31:39.899
on the guest because you have amazing insight

01:31:39.899 --> 01:31:43.119
and a lot of people actually watch a stream after

01:31:43.119 --> 01:31:46.079
they see you on here. So, you know, it's great.

01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:50.819
I sent you something on Discord. Let me know.

01:31:51.100 --> 01:31:56.159
But I'll keep talking a little bit here about,

01:31:56.260 --> 01:32:00.279
you know, some of the things that I found. And,

01:32:00.300 --> 01:32:05.140
you know, one of the takeaways, one of the lessons

01:32:05.140 --> 01:32:12.760
here is you find, is that a yes? All right. So

01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:14.899
we are going to take call -ins, and I will pin

01:32:14.899 --> 01:32:17.380
the link in the chat. You're welcome to call

01:32:17.380 --> 01:32:21.960
in. Please keep it civil. We may have a little

01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:24.479
bit of a debate, but look, don't try to make

01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:27.479
anyone feel uncomfortable. I don't care if people

01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:33.039
swear. Just don't be too entirely vulgar. Other

01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:34.800
than that, you're welcome to call in with your

01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:36.539
topic, your lesson learned, whatever you want

01:32:36.539 --> 01:32:40.920
to ask any of us. You are free to do so. Now,

01:32:40.979 --> 01:32:45.279
what I was going to say here is you're going

01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:47.779
to look at cryptocurrency projects and there's

01:32:47.779 --> 01:32:50.659
going to be aspects about them that I don't think

01:32:50.659 --> 01:32:52.720
are they're really in the gray area. They're

01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:55.840
not necessarily black and white. And whether

01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:58.960
you agree with them or not, there is going to

01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:01.000
be you have to wait it. And when I'm looking

01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:02.840
at a lot of these cryptocurrency projects, one

01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:07.520
of the things I look at is the staking. behind

01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:10.539
it and not just validators not just proof of

01:33:10.539 --> 01:33:14.739
stake when you have to stake tokens or coins

01:33:14.739 --> 01:33:18.819
on a device on the network and if there's penalties

01:33:18.819 --> 01:33:21.340
behind it the amount that needs to be staked

01:33:21.340 --> 01:33:24.439
how long it's locked up for the reason behind

01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:28.399
staking it and i'll give some examples something

01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:33.399
like a helium validator is an example of why

01:33:33.399 --> 01:33:38.039
we need to stake tokens right because you want

01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:43.500
those people to have they don't really get dinged

01:33:43.500 --> 01:33:46.640
on their hnt if their validator screws up but

01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.720
you want them to have skin in the game you want

01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.140
them to be committed not just to allow their

01:33:52.140 --> 01:33:54.939
infrastructure to go off and affect the rest

01:33:54.939 --> 01:34:00.119
of the network um systems like ethereum where

01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:02.460
you can get slashed if you try to game the network

01:34:02.460 --> 01:34:06.479
you can you know You don't make as much if you're

01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:10.560
a poor validator. That makes sense. There's incentivized,

01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:13.460
so it's the carrot and the stick. But then you

01:34:13.460 --> 01:34:17.039
get into other types of staking, which I really

01:34:17.039 --> 01:34:19.140
don't like staking in the vast majority of cases,

01:34:19.220 --> 01:34:22.739
but I think something like, so the deeper network.

01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:26.439
I think it's stupid that you have to stake to

01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:31.939
earn. Now, the reason I say that is because this

01:34:31.939 --> 01:34:35.460
is not a critical network device. It's not hosting

01:34:35.460 --> 01:34:40.140
blockchain. If it goes offline, someone is not

01:34:40.140 --> 01:34:44.279
catastrophically affected by it. If you're doing

01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:47.479
a decentralized VPN hosting, you're a VPN server

01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:49.800
for them. If it goes offline, they reconnect

01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:53.100
to another VPN. That's it. So why do I have to

01:34:53.100 --> 01:34:59.199
stake my Deeper to earn more Deeper? There's

01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:03.340
not a clear reason to it. But other projects

01:35:03.340 --> 01:35:06.420
do have a good reason for it. There's pros and

01:35:06.420 --> 01:35:09.159
cons. So something like that I look at. But if

01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:11.220
you look at something, let's say like flux nodes,

01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:16.260
okay? Similar, you have to stake to earn. If

01:35:16.260 --> 01:35:18.439
you go offline, you don't get slashed, but you

01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:21.720
don't earn more. And those are just the regular

01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:23.859
nodes, not the GPU miners for the blockchain,

01:35:23.939 --> 01:35:28.880
just a regular load hosting like server or Raspberry

01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:33.329
Pis or home devices. And it makes sense from

01:35:33.329 --> 01:35:36.569
a tokenomics standpoint to an extent because

01:35:36.569 --> 01:35:40.609
when you have to lock up those tokens, there's

01:35:40.609 --> 01:35:44.510
only so many tokens in circulation, right? So

01:35:44.510 --> 01:35:48.069
it has a scalability factor to it when it comes

01:35:48.069 --> 01:35:52.930
to supply and demand and how many nodes will

01:35:52.930 --> 01:35:56.609
entirely be on that network altogether. and also

01:35:56.609 --> 01:35:58.489
people who are really dedicated, who believe

01:35:58.489 --> 01:36:00.630
in the network, rather than just some woohoo

01:36:00.630 --> 01:36:04.170
that's going to do anything and maybe not maintain

01:36:04.170 --> 01:36:08.270
their nodes and affect someone who wants to host

01:36:08.270 --> 01:36:12.369
the load on that server. Like if I have to pay

01:36:12.369 --> 01:36:15.189
into a server, you'd think, you'd think, now

01:36:15.189 --> 01:36:17.210
it's not the case for a lot of people as we find

01:36:17.210 --> 01:36:19.869
out, but they're going to have skin in the game.

01:36:19.949 --> 01:36:24.109
They're going to want to maintain that node and

01:36:24.109 --> 01:36:27.020
optimize it. That's one of the reasons for staking.

01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:30.319
So there will be more Ponzi -ish type of things.

01:36:30.380 --> 01:36:33.539
I call it Ponzi -nomics, where with smart contracts,

01:36:33.619 --> 01:36:37.500
you can manipulate how payouts happen to anyone,

01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:42.319
how, you know, staking works, how returns are

01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:47.359
made. But you can do artificial pump. And that's

01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:55.819
what I think happened with MXC. incentivized

01:36:55.819 --> 01:37:00.319
to stake every which way for no reason it doesn't

01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.720
make sense there's really nothing that you're

01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:05.439
doing that's a critical infrastructure device

01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:10.979
on the network and if you sell off your tokens

01:37:10.979 --> 01:37:14.699
that you supposedly mine you're penalized and

01:37:14.699 --> 01:37:18.399
can no longer work you can no longer reap other

01:37:18.399 --> 01:37:23.310
benefits so sorry for the tangent Things to look

01:37:23.310 --> 01:37:26.590
for. Lesson learned. I think it's a really good,

01:37:26.630 --> 01:37:30.529
you know, food for thought. Not black and white.

01:37:30.590 --> 01:37:33.689
It's a gray area. Up for debate. But let me know

01:37:33.689 --> 01:37:37.869
your thoughts in the comments. Also, Paul and

01:37:37.869 --> 01:37:39.390
Link has been posted. If you'd like to call in

01:37:39.390 --> 01:37:43.989
and chat with us, you can do so. So I got a question

01:37:43.989 --> 01:37:47.909
for you, Joe. Yeah. Are they still requiring

01:37:47.909 --> 01:37:51.350
you to kind of do a drive -by on all of your

01:37:51.350 --> 01:37:55.390
own stuff daily? Yes. I'm fairly certain that

01:37:55.390 --> 01:37:57.609
from last time I heard, I don't keep up with

01:37:57.609 --> 01:37:59.590
them as much as I probably should, but I don't

01:37:59.590 --> 01:38:01.729
have any of their devices. I actually have a

01:38:01.729 --> 01:38:05.770
really good location here in the southwest Chicago

01:38:05.770 --> 01:38:09.029
suburbs. It's a 100 -foot building. Those are

01:38:09.029 --> 01:38:12.229
my main earners on the network, the Helium network.

01:38:12.390 --> 01:38:17.109
I have two directional antennas. So I wanted

01:38:17.109 --> 01:38:20.909
to put a pollen device up there, a helium 5G,

01:38:21.029 --> 01:38:24.510
and it never could happen. Look, I'll admit it

01:38:24.510 --> 01:38:27.210
on stream. I'm broke. I got baby mamas to pay,

01:38:27.289 --> 01:38:29.670
so I'm not forking out any more money for hardware.

01:38:30.090 --> 01:38:34.909
But I've tried to get people to look at the spot

01:38:34.909 --> 01:38:37.149
and be like, yeah, I'll put my equipment there.

01:38:37.229 --> 01:38:40.310
We'll split it. I offer to do those drive, you

01:38:40.310 --> 01:38:43.170
know, the mapping with pollen. You need equipment,

01:38:43.250 --> 01:38:46.800
man? If you want, send some. I'll have it hosted

01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:49.479
for you. But we do have bandwidth. You do have

01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:51.720
minimal bandwidth there. So if there's something

01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:55.060
you want hosted, sure, we'll talk about it. All

01:38:55.060 --> 01:38:57.380
right. Yeah, hit me up offline, man. Cool. Sounds

01:38:57.380 --> 01:39:02.560
good. Jaden Blader writes, locked supply is important.

01:39:02.779 --> 01:39:04.840
Can you elaborate? Because I think it's a good

01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:10.199
point. But, no, back to what I was saying about,

01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:14.210
like, pollen. Well, lack of being able to get

01:39:14.210 --> 01:39:21.489
hands on that equipment. And, you know, that's

01:39:21.489 --> 01:39:24.869
kind of why a lot of these fell through was because

01:39:24.869 --> 01:39:27.470
of those requirements. And with gas prices. I

01:39:27.470 --> 01:39:30.510
hate to, you know, say that, but honestly, I

01:39:30.510 --> 01:39:35.130
think that has some bearing. Yeah. And you know

01:39:35.130 --> 01:39:37.609
what? So another lesson learned here, which was

01:39:37.609 --> 01:39:40.229
very interesting with pollen. And this is what

01:39:40.229 --> 01:39:44.840
Max and Gristle King brought up. was the mapping

01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:49.319
when it comes to a wireless network. A lot of

01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:51.539
times, and I think this applies specifically

01:39:51.539 --> 01:39:54.819
to the networks that have very high costs for

01:39:54.819 --> 01:39:57.859
the physical infrastructure, you're going to

01:39:57.859 --> 01:40:00.699
get a disproportionate amount of people who buy

01:40:00.699 --> 01:40:03.399
mappers but don't buy the physical infrastructure.

01:40:03.699 --> 01:40:06.720
And that's not necessarily good for the network

01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:11.930
because they're not providing more. coverage

01:40:11.930 --> 01:40:14.109
they're just trying to earn but it's a crypto

01:40:14.109 --> 01:40:16.329
community this is something that does happen

01:40:16.329 --> 01:40:22.930
now oh we lost uh we lost travis i think his

01:40:22.930 --> 01:40:26.170
device um came unconnected because he's still

01:40:26.170 --> 01:40:34.550
here in chat so he might be um anyway let me

01:40:34.550 --> 01:40:37.149
message him back i'm sorry about that guys um

01:40:37.149 --> 01:40:41.020
good um I was actually just looking into like

01:40:41.020 --> 01:40:44.399
for the future for 2023, I think OpenGPT is going

01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:48.720
to be a huge player because I was experimenting

01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:52.979
and you can actually tell it like exactly the

01:40:52.979 --> 01:40:55.979
parameters that you want to build smart contracts

01:40:55.979 --> 01:40:57.939
and it will completely build it out for you.

01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:01.939
And it's going to be there's not going to be

01:41:01.939 --> 01:41:04.819
errors. It's going to be written by a machine.

01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:09.180
uh with input or like kind of like just light

01:41:09.180 --> 01:41:11.239
direction from a human so i think it's going

01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:14.840
to be like real real uh changing revolutionary

01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:17.979
technology i think the smart contracts that are

01:41:17.979 --> 01:41:20.819
going to be coming out like the heavy d5 projects

01:41:20.819 --> 01:41:24.140
if they start launching on opengpt they're going

01:41:24.140 --> 01:41:29.779
to be a lot easier to um analyze a lot easier

01:41:29.779 --> 01:41:36.729
to to follow and there's less errors so Kiko

01:41:36.729 --> 01:41:40.449
says, you see OpenAI chat GPT falling behind

01:41:40.449 --> 01:41:43.890
a paywall very, very soon. Well, honestly, that

01:41:43.890 --> 01:41:47.329
makes total sense. If you have a program as good

01:41:47.329 --> 01:41:50.029
as that, why would you give it away for free?

01:41:51.550 --> 01:41:55.250
Especially with the massive onboarding that you

01:41:55.250 --> 01:41:57.489
already see. I think it's a perfect storm that

01:41:57.489 --> 01:41:58.930
they have set up right now is they're going to

01:41:58.930 --> 01:42:02.560
have this beautiful technology. And it's going

01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.760
to be exposed to the world for free. We've seen

01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:08.640
this tactic happen with a lot of projects and

01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:14.260
companies before. Once they get a massive consumer

01:42:14.260 --> 01:42:16.699
market, then they'll say, all right, now we're

01:42:16.699 --> 01:42:19.500
going to start charging for it. And the people

01:42:19.500 --> 01:42:21.899
that want it are going to stay. And when you

01:42:21.899 --> 01:42:24.619
see people that are using Spark contracts and

01:42:24.619 --> 01:42:26.279
making millions of dollars, they're going to

01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:31.369
have no issues paying. $30 a month. I mean, you

01:42:31.369 --> 01:42:33.770
could really pump up the price on that and there's

01:42:33.770 --> 01:42:35.909
going to be thousands of people that still pay

01:42:35.909 --> 01:42:38.590
because they're still making way more than it's

01:42:38.590 --> 01:42:41.750
worth. I'm glad you guys brought this up because

01:42:41.750 --> 01:42:49.310
this is massive. What we know AI can do has reached

01:42:49.310 --> 01:42:54.310
a tier that I always thought going into coding

01:42:54.310 --> 01:42:59.909
and going into tech would be you know more sustained

01:42:59.909 --> 01:43:02.250
i don't want to say more sustainable but you're

01:43:02.250 --> 01:43:07.770
because it's scalable it can make you a lot more

01:43:07.770 --> 01:43:12.170
money than doing like soft skills like say being

01:43:12.170 --> 01:43:16.630
a therapist or maybe even being a nurse you know

01:43:16.630 --> 01:43:20.989
like so you have to think about how now it's

01:43:20.989 --> 01:43:24.170
possible that all these coders might be out of

01:43:24.170 --> 01:43:27.640
a job because someone with minimal coding skills

01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.439
like myself. I'm not the best coder. I can do

01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:34.539
it, but it's not going to be complete best practices

01:43:34.539 --> 01:43:38.199
and as efficient as it would otherwise. I can

01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:43.319
throw it into GPT or some other AI type of device

01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:51.319
and it works. One of our friends, Steve, he's

01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:53.739
been on the show before. He was on the show two

01:43:53.739 --> 01:43:57.659
days ago. He's very technical. He wrote a script.

01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:02.539
I believe it was to pull DNS records. And he

01:44:02.539 --> 01:44:07.979
put it through ChatGPT, he used, correct? Or

01:44:07.979 --> 01:44:12.359
he used one of the programs, OpenGPT. Sorry.

01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:20.460
What it did, it shrunk it down to like less than

01:44:20.460 --> 01:44:25.010
a quarter of the size it initially was. Travis

01:44:25.010 --> 01:44:33.909
says chat GPT on open AI. So that it shocked

01:44:33.909 --> 01:44:37.390
me. It was crazy. And I thought to myself, okay,

01:44:37.430 --> 01:44:41.310
my job is still somewhat safe because I have

01:44:41.310 --> 01:44:46.909
to analyze like floor plans. I have to do a lot

01:44:46.909 --> 01:44:50.350
of manual work that AI can't grab. And I have

01:44:50.350 --> 01:44:52.729
to use best judgments and assumptions where.

01:44:53.180 --> 01:44:56.800
AI wouldn't be able to do that. But who knows?

01:44:56.939 --> 01:45:00.140
That might not be the case. So in the future,

01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:07.939
for a lot of different fields, even the technical

01:45:07.939 --> 01:45:12.600
ones, they're going to have more than enough

01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:17.340
talent that comes from AI to get rid of the people

01:45:17.340 --> 01:45:20.300
that are doing the coding. And then you're going

01:45:20.300 --> 01:45:22.760
to see that. I believe the emerging economy,

01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:27.399
it's going to be a, what would you want to call

01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:32.899
it? You know, interacting with a human being

01:45:32.899 --> 01:45:40.100
from day to day is going to be the premium. What

01:45:40.100 --> 01:45:42.340
would you call it? I'm drawing a blank here.

01:45:42.500 --> 01:45:46.579
It's going to be like what you want. You don't

01:45:46.579 --> 01:45:49.119
want to interact with devices. You're going to

01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:52.119
want to go to the store. to talk to cash care

01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:54.340
you're going to want to see a therapist because

01:45:54.340 --> 01:45:56.479
you don't want to talk to ai about your problems

01:45:56.479 --> 01:46:00.039
so human touch you know like the human emotions

01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:03.020
you can't recreate that it's something so precious

01:46:03.020 --> 01:46:13.079
and unique um so i wanted to say um with your

01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:14.779
like with your industry i'm thinking about with

01:46:14.779 --> 01:46:18.359
my industry with accounting like blockchain quite

01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:21.579
literally is a ledger and you can track it and

01:46:21.579 --> 01:46:24.140
that's accounting technology accounting terminology

01:46:24.140 --> 01:46:27.380
whatever you want to call it um what i tell people

01:46:27.380 --> 01:46:29.640
that i'm an accounting major yeah all this stuff

01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.239
they're like oh that's a safe degree you know

01:46:31.239 --> 01:46:33.060
they're always going to be needed but me looking

01:46:33.060 --> 01:46:36.439
at how the crypto industry is is just like turning

01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:39.539
it just turned over uh year over year with this

01:46:39.539 --> 01:46:43.100
massive growth i could very easily see accountants

01:46:43.100 --> 01:46:46.119
uh And like the need for all this stuff being

01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:49.500
replaced and kind of like sunsetted, they're

01:46:49.500 --> 01:46:52.779
still going to be like, you know, I feel like

01:46:52.779 --> 01:46:55.720
humans at a certain point are pretty much only

01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:57.680
going to be there to review and approve things.

01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:01.220
And the technology is just going to kind of automate

01:47:01.220 --> 01:47:06.819
it. And it's a little scary, but like you said,

01:47:06.939 --> 01:47:09.579
it's going to be the premium to deal with humans.

01:47:11.340 --> 01:47:14.159
Travis is back. However, I think he may be having

01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:16.579
a small issue with his camera. Travis, are you

01:47:16.579 --> 01:47:27.359
there? I'm going to remove him for a short minute.

01:47:28.100 --> 01:47:30.479
Chris, would you like to hold down the fort or

01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:34.939
we can play a short commercial? So I need to

01:47:34.939 --> 01:47:39.579
use the washroom. He wants to share something,

01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:48.840
so I'll let him do that. You can go to the restroom.

01:47:49.060 --> 01:47:54.340
I can take care of this. Alright, guys. Don't

01:47:54.340 --> 01:47:59.020
start. No, I'm not doing anything. How is everyone

01:47:59.020 --> 01:48:01.539
doing on this evening? This is the first day

01:48:01.539 --> 01:48:06.840
of 2023. Did you guys do anything? festive for

01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:09.319
new year's eve uh travis is back uh i'm gonna

01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:12.239
add him back to the stream are you good can you

01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:20.859
hear me good all right i think he's still figuring

01:48:20.859 --> 01:48:23.220
a few things out all right cool cool cool cool

01:48:23.220 --> 01:48:26.460
start plugging your affiliate links chris no

01:48:26.460 --> 01:48:31.779
no no no it's 2023 you have to be okay it's 2023

01:48:31.779 --> 01:48:35.229
you have to uh I can't be plugging my affiliate

01:48:35.229 --> 01:48:39.449
links anymore. You did a face reveal pocket change?

01:48:39.729 --> 01:48:42.930
When did this happen? Was this today? Or, oh,

01:48:42.949 --> 01:48:45.310
I guess that would have been last night. Was

01:48:45.310 --> 01:48:48.170
that on your channel or Trump Change's channel?

01:48:48.949 --> 01:48:55.029
Or some live stream? Geek of All Trades says

01:48:55.029 --> 01:48:57.149
it's scary, but it forces humanity to push past

01:48:57.149 --> 01:48:59.369
the basics and work harder to be a contributing

01:48:59.369 --> 01:49:03.770
part of society. Yeah, I mean. At what point

01:49:03.770 --> 01:49:07.250
do we just kind of not like accept defeat, but

01:49:07.250 --> 01:49:10.289
like AI is designed by humans to make our lives

01:49:10.289 --> 01:49:12.869
easier. And it's not the worst thing that it's

01:49:12.869 --> 01:49:15.369
coming around. You seem like all the all the

01:49:15.369 --> 01:49:17.630
Terminator movies and all the movies about robots

01:49:17.630 --> 01:49:19.989
trying to scare people and saying, oh, this technology

01:49:19.989 --> 01:49:23.229
is bad. But, you know, it has a lot of a lot

01:49:23.229 --> 01:49:27.069
of perks here. Pocket change last night. SNL

01:49:27.069 --> 01:49:31.640
with Misfit Mining. Is that on YouTube? Well,

01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:34.800
it's okay. I joined the Misfit Mining Discord

01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:38.500
server very, very late last night. Did you do

01:49:38.500 --> 01:49:42.779
anything for New Year's, Travis? Oh, yes. I stayed

01:49:42.779 --> 01:49:45.100
at home and played with computers. Nice. Nice.

01:49:46.579 --> 01:49:51.020
Nothing better. I mean... Yeah, apologies for

01:49:51.020 --> 01:49:54.520
dropping out there. I had a little computer suicide

01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:57.000
or something over here. So, everything's good.

01:49:58.560 --> 01:50:00.520
I'm getting a blue screen at death right now.

01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:02.640
Uh, every time I turn on my computer, it's throwing

01:50:02.640 --> 01:50:05.939
me some watchdog error and no, I'm going to have

01:50:05.939 --> 01:50:08.699
to look into that. It's going to be great. Everyone's

01:50:08.699 --> 01:50:11.439
having issues tonight, huh? Yeah. I have to turn

01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:14.560
on my computer. It blue screens two times and

01:50:14.560 --> 01:50:17.520
then I can use it. It doesn't make any sense.

01:50:17.659 --> 01:50:21.500
Are you on windows? Yeah. I tried to, I updated

01:50:21.500 --> 01:50:23.920
it to try and make it like the latest version

01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:26.560
of windows 11. It didn't, it's not working, but.

01:50:26.859 --> 01:50:29.140
Oh, well, I have everything backed up. Pocket

01:50:29.140 --> 01:50:32.340
Chain did a face reveal. I did not hear about

01:50:32.340 --> 01:50:36.500
that last night. Apparently, for backups, these

01:50:36.500 --> 01:50:39.859
things are rad, dude. These are the, what, the

01:50:39.859 --> 01:50:43.239
T7 shields by Samsung. It's a two terabyte drive

01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:49.220
SSD. Oh, wow. That is very kind. It's like hardened.

01:50:49.500 --> 01:50:54.500
USB -C? Yeah, yeah, it's USB -C. um they're pretty

01:50:54.500 --> 01:50:57.399
cheap on get them on amazon it's a t7 shield

01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:00.619
uh this is a two terabyte i've got a couple of

01:51:00.619 --> 01:51:03.739
them and uh i could dunk them underwater i can

01:51:03.739 --> 01:51:06.800
um you know throw them around they're uh and

01:51:06.800 --> 01:51:09.640
they're almost as fast as the really fast ones

01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:14.359
um i mean they're fast enough man they're pretty

01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:17.779
quick for an external ssd yeah i'm in no way

01:51:17.779 --> 01:51:19.760
associated with them i just i use them and i

01:51:19.760 --> 01:51:22.710
think they're badass Man, I've had this Toshiba

01:51:22.710 --> 01:51:28.350
for like, I don't know, maybe seven, seven, ten

01:51:28.350 --> 01:51:31.850
years because I bought a I dropped my laptop

01:51:31.850 --> 01:51:35.310
and I've dropped my laptop before, but I dropped

01:51:35.310 --> 01:51:38.029
it and had a disc in it. It just it just destroyed

01:51:38.029 --> 01:51:40.149
it all. I've never had an issue like that with

01:51:40.149 --> 01:51:43.109
a with a hard drive failing. I'm sorry, guys.

01:51:43.229 --> 01:51:45.689
I did not pin the link before. That's my fault.

01:51:45.750 --> 01:51:49.789
But now you're welcome to call in. pocket change

01:51:49.789 --> 01:51:52.750
xd writes yes joe i trolled chump that's her

01:51:52.750 --> 01:51:55.590
husband wearing a mask at first because people

01:51:55.590 --> 01:51:58.069
always give him crap when he wore a mask while

01:51:58.069 --> 01:52:00.149
recording that i took it off after a few minutes

01:52:00.149 --> 01:52:04.930
lol it's funny i only seen a little bit though

01:52:04.930 --> 01:52:07.390
was he wearing a mask to protect his identity

01:52:07.390 --> 01:52:11.369
or was it a covid thing doesn't matter i mean

01:52:11.369 --> 01:52:15.350
you know i think i mean just stick with it honestly

01:52:15.350 --> 01:52:18.590
going forward you know I don't blame people who

01:52:18.590 --> 01:52:20.890
don't want to show their identity. I don't either.

01:52:22.029 --> 01:52:23.989
Yeah, I mean, if your face is on the internet,

01:52:24.109 --> 01:52:26.369
they will figure out who you are. And come to

01:52:26.369 --> 01:52:28.729
your house. Yes, I know. I get those once in

01:52:28.729 --> 01:52:32.189
a while. All right. See ya. Good luck. Are you

01:52:32.189 --> 01:52:34.670
giving away any free stuff? Am I giving away

01:52:34.670 --> 01:52:37.329
free stuff? No, if they're stopping by, they

01:52:37.329 --> 01:52:40.050
might as well bring a gift. Yeah. Although, I

01:52:40.050 --> 01:52:42.789
will say that people have started giving me pistols.

01:52:44.029 --> 01:52:46.359
There you go. Because they heard people were

01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:49.100
just dropping by my house. So, so like community

01:52:49.100 --> 01:52:51.060
members are giving me pistols. I'm like, I'm

01:52:51.060 --> 01:52:52.800
not going to argue here. That's a very good gift.

01:52:52.899 --> 01:52:55.979
Yeah. Yeah. It's a very, very nice gift. Yeah.

01:52:56.600 --> 01:53:01.479
I would be pissed if that happened to me. Well,

01:53:01.640 --> 01:53:04.819
yeah, I would not, I would not be happy if I

01:53:04.819 --> 01:53:07.699
was getting that. I mean, I kind of say it now

01:53:07.699 --> 01:53:09.420
and occasionally I'll get something, I'll get

01:53:09.420 --> 01:53:12.880
a threat or I'll get a call or whatever. but

01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:16.479
over the alpha program i would yeah this oh i

01:53:16.479 --> 01:53:18.239
thought you meant giving me pistols no stopping

01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:20.920
by my house was uncalled for yeah oh yeah it

01:53:20.920 --> 01:53:23.420
was four in the morning they're like can you

01:53:23.420 --> 01:53:26.220
chat and i'm like yeah sure what's up and they're

01:53:26.220 --> 01:53:32.779
like come outside i'm like um what um yeah that's

01:53:32.779 --> 01:53:38.060
insane man yeah please deal with it no no i live

01:53:38.060 --> 01:53:40.920
in texas Yeah, I guess you guys have a little

01:53:40.920 --> 01:53:44.939
bit different of a thought of, you know, law

01:53:44.939 --> 01:53:49.819
enforcement there. So it wasn't a big deal. It

01:53:49.819 --> 01:53:52.279
really wasn't. You know, did he actually want

01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:54.500
to chat or was he just there to badger you? No,

01:53:54.500 --> 01:53:56.539
he wanted to chat, but it was four in the morning.

01:53:56.619 --> 01:54:00.039
I mean, you know, just yes, I was up. I was up

01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:02.659
and I was working on stuff. So it was just a

01:54:02.659 --> 01:54:04.699
misunderstanding. And we write it off to that

01:54:04.699 --> 01:54:08.100
and, you know, consider it done. Just don't do

01:54:08.100 --> 01:54:11.220
that to people because it's kind of freaky, especially

01:54:11.220 --> 01:54:13.899
to their wives or significant others, you know,

01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:17.460
kind of freaks them out a little bit. So speaking

01:54:17.460 --> 01:54:22.119
of today, I actually met the first person. Well,

01:54:22.239 --> 01:54:24.119
I would consider him the first one I've met off

01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:27.159
of YouTube as Crypto Bedell. He's been on the

01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:29.079
live stream before. He lives in Illinois and

01:54:29.079 --> 01:54:31.739
he took away the server and brought me a case

01:54:31.739 --> 01:54:33.779
of Red Bull. So once again, I already gave him

01:54:33.779 --> 01:54:37.989
a shout out, but. That's neat. I like meeting

01:54:37.989 --> 01:54:42.170
people. Under the right circumstances, it's awesome.

01:54:42.369 --> 01:54:45.050
I think we have some great communities going

01:54:45.050 --> 01:54:52.689
here. Just call before you come. If all these

01:54:52.689 --> 01:54:56.470
crypto events like Bitcoin in Miami or the Bitcoin

01:54:56.470 --> 01:54:59.109
showcase, if they happened in June, I'd be able

01:54:59.109 --> 01:55:00.930
to go to every single one of them, but everything

01:55:00.930 --> 01:55:04.380
happens in May. Right when finals happen, it's

01:55:04.380 --> 01:55:06.579
so difficult. I want to go to these things to

01:55:06.579 --> 01:55:09.880
meet a whole bunch of people. Looks like he's

01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:12.479
going to have to wait. Unless there is some summer

01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:15.760
events. I went to the Helium House in Austin

01:55:15.760 --> 01:55:18.840
and New York City. And those were both pretty

01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:21.680
cool events. Austin, actually not a pretty cool.

01:55:21.819 --> 01:55:24.279
It was a really freaking hot event, actually.

01:55:24.600 --> 01:55:27.720
But we were up on the roof for most of that.

01:55:27.819 --> 01:55:31.479
And it was ridiculously hot. But met a lot of

01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:33.899
good folks that I hadn't met before, you know,

01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:36.739
from overseas. And they were able to attend the

01:55:36.739 --> 01:55:40.500
event. So it was pretty tight. How are the Helium

01:55:40.500 --> 01:55:42.460
Houses? I hear they throw a pretty good party.

01:55:44.200 --> 01:55:47.100
Well, there's after parties that are pretty cool.

01:55:47.699 --> 01:55:50.779
You know, some, I guess, sponsored, some just,

01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.420
you know, not sponsored. I think there were a

01:55:53.420 --> 01:55:56.100
lot of people purchasing marijuana with H &T

01:55:56.100 --> 01:56:00.380
up in New York. Nice. It's nice to see that,

01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:03.359
you know, integrated into the local economy.

01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:07.199
UK's, really? With crypto at the dispensary?

01:56:07.819 --> 01:56:11.949
No, no, no, no. People to people, yeah. Like

01:56:11.949 --> 01:56:15.069
some people, yeah. I don't have anything against

01:56:15.069 --> 01:56:17.649
marijuana. I think there are some good uses to

01:56:17.649 --> 01:56:20.170
it. I've experienced the benefits, but I no longer

01:56:20.170 --> 01:56:22.550
do it. Do it for long enough, it'll make you

01:56:22.550 --> 01:56:24.949
stupid. Yeah, but you shouldn't throw people

01:56:24.949 --> 01:56:27.630
in jail for it is my two cents, man. I think

01:56:27.630 --> 01:56:31.250
that it's ridiculous to throw people to imprison

01:56:31.250 --> 01:56:34.770
someone. When they're not a big player in the

01:56:34.770 --> 01:56:36.550
marijuana game, they just have a quarter on them

01:56:36.550 --> 01:56:38.189
or something. You're going to throw them in jail

01:56:38.189 --> 01:56:40.329
for years, take them away from their family.

01:56:40.590 --> 01:56:42.909
Sorry, I don't like to get political on this,

01:56:42.949 --> 01:56:44.710
but that's something I feel pretty strongly about.

01:56:44.710 --> 01:56:46.829
I don't think that's a political issue. Honestly,

01:56:46.989 --> 01:56:49.949
it's kind of ridiculous. I think it's still categorized

01:56:49.949 --> 01:56:53.970
as like, what was it? I don't know. Anyways,

01:56:54.210 --> 01:56:56.789
we're going to bring in Jules. Jules, thanks

01:56:56.789 --> 01:57:00.270
for calling in. How you doing? Hey, guys. Hey.

01:57:01.590 --> 01:57:04.439
Yeah. It's good to see you. You've been joining

01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:06.960
us a lot lately on these live streams, so as

01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:12.140
always, thank you. Do you have anything you want

01:57:12.140 --> 01:57:13.779
to talk about, Jules? Do you want to talk about

01:57:13.779 --> 01:57:17.640
lessons learned? Do you want to talk about another

01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:22.819
subject? No, not really. I'm not going to bash

01:57:22.819 --> 01:57:28.439
helium. Now, look, contrary to what some people

01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:30.899
think, I still have a lot of hype for Helium.

01:57:31.859 --> 01:57:35.239
And that's why I've been so outspoken with what's

01:57:35.239 --> 01:57:37.420
happened here is because of the fact that I want

01:57:37.420 --> 01:57:40.260
to see it succeed. Yeah, I think a lot of the

01:57:40.260 --> 01:57:42.880
folks in Australia, they wouldn't be participating,

01:57:43.020 --> 01:57:45.520
you know, still at this point if they didn't

01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:48.520
give or care about, you know, the Helium and

01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:53.140
the Helium network. So, no, I think it's important.

01:57:53.710 --> 01:57:56.569
I think that something has to happen here. I

01:57:56.569 --> 01:58:00.729
think with the testbed, you know, a lot of good

01:58:00.729 --> 01:58:03.390
has come out of that. And I think we are seeing

01:58:03.390 --> 01:58:07.029
at least a little bit of a coming together, you

01:58:07.029 --> 01:58:10.510
know, between Nova and Helium Foundation and,

01:58:10.529 --> 01:58:13.770
you know, everyone in Australia. But the reason

01:58:13.770 --> 01:58:16.430
behind that is because the Australian folks are

01:58:16.430 --> 01:58:19.029
providing data. They're saying, look, this is

01:58:19.029 --> 01:58:23.630
what is going on. and, and help us, you know,

01:58:23.630 --> 01:58:25.750
I mean, what do we do here? How do we move forward?

01:58:25.949 --> 01:58:29.390
And so, um, no, I think it's awesome as a community,

01:58:29.470 --> 01:58:31.850
what Australia has been doing or what the Australian

01:58:31.850 --> 01:58:34.489
like Laura, when folks have been doing on this,

01:58:34.510 --> 01:58:39.529
uh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel the same way.

01:58:39.609 --> 01:58:42.430
Um, I mean, I'm critical of, of healing from

01:58:42.430 --> 01:58:45.649
time to time. Um, but I'm also supportive and

01:58:45.649 --> 01:58:49.029
I try to call it like, I, like, I see it. Like

01:58:49.029 --> 01:58:52.039
I, try to stay as factual as possible and give

01:58:52.039 --> 01:58:55.020
people the best information. And one of the things

01:58:55.020 --> 01:59:00.319
I, like my difference in opinion from most other

01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:04.260
crypto YouTubers is that I'm not looking at what

01:59:04.260 --> 01:59:07.279
the mining community is saying or what, you know,

01:59:07.279 --> 01:59:11.020
the Joe Blow who showed up yesterday into crypto

01:59:11.020 --> 01:59:14.340
and has a, you know, massive following and all

01:59:14.340 --> 01:59:17.510
of a sudden wants to talk about LoRaWAN. I look

01:59:17.510 --> 01:59:19.930
at what the community is doing, who's using the

01:59:19.930 --> 01:59:23.050
network, people who are serious in the industry.

01:59:23.310 --> 01:59:26.289
And you guys are still here. And the Australians

01:59:26.289 --> 01:59:29.289
all, they are and they have been. I mean, that's

01:59:29.289 --> 01:59:31.670
been one of the strongest, like, LoRaWAN, like,

01:59:31.689 --> 01:59:36.369
groups in the world. Way before the U .S. had

01:59:36.369 --> 01:59:40.609
any LoRaWAN, like, really, foundation. You know,

01:59:40.609 --> 01:59:42.409
that foundation came through Helium. It didn't

01:59:42.409 --> 01:59:45.350
come through GTN in the US. Australia has had

01:59:45.350 --> 01:59:49.270
that for years now. And like I said in the chat

01:59:49.270 --> 01:59:51.210
earlier, I mean, Helium's, what they've achieved

01:59:51.210 --> 01:59:54.689
is nothing short of amazing. The network they've

01:59:54.689 --> 01:59:59.430
set out is fantastic. The one concern I have

01:59:59.430 --> 02:00:03.130
in talking about lessons learned is that they

02:00:03.130 --> 02:00:05.689
don't seem to want to admit when they make a

02:00:05.689 --> 02:00:08.170
mistake. And that's kind of the first step to

02:00:08.170 --> 02:00:11.560
learning a lesson. How do you see the foundation

02:00:11.560 --> 02:00:17.939
leading things as opposed to the alliance? Hard

02:00:17.939 --> 02:00:24.319
to answer. I mean, Scott, with the hit, hold,

02:00:24.359 --> 02:00:28.399
hit 45 thing, when this dual plan first sort

02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:31.119
of blew up, I was impressed to see Scott step

02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:34.300
in and do something about it and have the town

02:00:34.300 --> 02:00:37.060
hall and really hear us out and say, look, yep.

02:00:37.279 --> 02:00:40.300
In that case, they admitted. things hadn't been

02:00:40.300 --> 02:00:43.340
done properly. Let's fix it. But there was a

02:00:43.340 --> 02:00:46.560
second town hall after that, that you held over

02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:50.760
there, you know, following that, right? There

02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:52.899
was one prior to when I was involved. So I was

02:00:52.899 --> 02:00:55.880
involved with one post HIPAA 45 that Scott sort

02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:59.439
of, he spoke to a few of us, the one -on -one,

02:00:59.500 --> 02:01:02.380
agreed that, you know, there'd been some issues

02:01:02.380 --> 02:01:05.680
and agreed to have the town hall. So that was

02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:07.579
when I got sort of involved in this whole thing.

02:01:08.690 --> 02:01:12.590
And, look, I understand Abai's feeling new in

02:01:12.590 --> 02:01:16.090
the role, but I'm just kind of missing that kind

02:01:16.090 --> 02:01:18.250
of leadership of stepping up and saying, hey,

02:01:18.270 --> 02:01:20.210
look, yeah, we have messed up. Let's try and

02:01:20.210 --> 02:01:22.869
make it right. I don't really think that's happened.

02:01:24.029 --> 02:01:26.750
And Abai, he is new to that particular role,

02:01:26.810 --> 02:01:30.729
but he has been involved, you know, in the network

02:01:30.729 --> 02:01:34.789
for quite some time, you know. Sure. But he is

02:01:34.789 --> 02:01:38.590
new to that role. And I'm hearing a lot of positive

02:01:38.590 --> 02:01:41.489
things about his involvement in the foundation

02:01:41.489 --> 02:01:43.869
and how he's kind of gearing things. And so,

02:01:43.930 --> 02:01:45.890
you know, I really want to see the situation

02:01:45.890 --> 02:01:49.810
worked out. You know, I know, and I'm from Texas,

02:01:49.869 --> 02:01:52.729
and I know Australians can be kind of, you know,

02:01:52.729 --> 02:01:55.550
hard in the head like Texans can, man. No offense

02:01:55.550 --> 02:02:00.109
meant there, but I get it. I get it. And I think

02:02:00.109 --> 02:02:02.829
there's been animosity on both sides. And I just

02:02:02.829 --> 02:02:05.100
want to see that. you know, kind of, you know,

02:02:05.100 --> 02:02:07.260
worked out, man, because we all want this network

02:02:07.260 --> 02:02:10.239
is awesome. I mean, we haven't seen a network

02:02:10.239 --> 02:02:13.140
like this built before and it's out there. I

02:02:13.140 --> 02:02:15.659
don't want to see this destroyed because, you

02:02:15.659 --> 02:02:18.220
know, some of us are stubborn or some people

02:02:18.220 --> 02:02:21.159
just, you know, can't let go of some ideas that

02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:23.760
they had thrown back in the past. So let's just,

02:02:23.800 --> 02:02:25.899
let's figure out how we can do this and make

02:02:25.899 --> 02:02:28.180
it happen, man. I've got, you know, I'm involved

02:02:28.180 --> 02:02:30.600
with a lot of schools over in Australia and I

02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:34.539
need this to work, you know? I mean, I need this

02:02:34.539 --> 02:02:37.779
network to happen. And it's working, which is

02:02:37.779 --> 02:02:40.520
amazing. And it's so cool to see all these schools,

02:02:40.739 --> 02:02:43.640
like all the data feeds coming through. I love

02:02:43.640 --> 02:02:46.399
it. And the positive side is that there is an

02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.380
indication that they're going to release this

02:02:48.380 --> 02:02:52.579
fix in the next couple of days. They don't have

02:02:52.579 --> 02:02:55.880
an exact date, but I know the embargo finishes

02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:57.939
in a couple of days. So I'm hoping they've got

02:02:57.939 --> 02:03:01.979
a priority on it and it gets out soon. And hopefully

02:03:01.979 --> 02:03:04.420
we can start rebuilding from there. Yeah, absolutely,

02:03:04.619 --> 02:03:08.399
man. Absolutely. Travis, I have a question for

02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:11.140
you. Yeah, what's up? What is your opinion on

02:03:11.140 --> 02:03:18.020
Wi -Fi Dabo? This is the laser stuff? Yeah. I

02:03:18.020 --> 02:03:20.619
was on the community call the other day, and

02:03:20.619 --> 02:03:23.100
it looks like they're hiring up, I don't know,

02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:28.140
for local jobs over there. It seems like, I don't

02:03:28.140 --> 02:03:31.840
know how close they are to... Actually, implementation.

02:03:32.880 --> 02:03:36.079
And that's my own ignorance. I'm not quite sure.

02:03:36.260 --> 02:03:39.640
But the technology seems pretty rad. You know,

02:03:39.699 --> 02:03:42.579
I'd love to play with it and see, you know, see

02:03:42.579 --> 02:03:45.699
where they're at on that. I think that, you know,

02:03:45.699 --> 02:03:48.859
being able to do especially like line of sight,

02:03:49.020 --> 02:03:52.399
you know, network distribution to kind of far

02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:56.220
off places is critical, especially when we talk

02:03:56.220 --> 02:03:58.460
about like Africa, when we talk about Australia,

02:03:58.640 --> 02:04:00.720
when we talk about, you know just in the middle

02:04:00.720 --> 02:04:04.020
of nowhere places that um you don't have a lot

02:04:04.020 --> 02:04:06.619
of elevation differences with that if i could

02:04:06.619 --> 02:04:09.319
do point to point and and connect to a network

02:04:09.319 --> 02:04:11.680
that's huge man and i may be getting a lot of

02:04:11.680 --> 02:04:16.420
this wrong but um no um i don't know it entirely

02:04:16.420 --> 02:04:20.520
in detail so i if you're saying something that

02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:22.939
might be wrong i'm not going to know okay i'm

02:04:22.939 --> 02:04:26.420
hugely interested yeah yeah i mean i'm a wi -fi

02:04:26.420 --> 02:04:28.699
guy but i have not looked into that which i probably

02:04:28.699 --> 02:04:31.689
should Another thing I wanted to ask, since you

02:04:31.689 --> 02:04:33.289
brought up point to point, have you ever looked

02:04:33.289 --> 02:04:37.029
into the Althea Network? Someone else mentioned

02:04:37.029 --> 02:04:40.409
this to me recently. I think it's Althea .network.

02:04:40.590 --> 02:04:44.550
No, I know nothing about it. All right. You'll

02:04:44.550 --> 02:04:48.329
have to watch one of my videos on it. Here, let

02:04:48.329 --> 02:04:51.630
me send you a link on Discord. I think that's

02:04:51.630 --> 02:04:54.090
actually where I heard about it was from your

02:04:54.090 --> 02:04:58.420
channel. It might have been. I know. Amir Halim

02:04:58.420 --> 02:05:00.960
has mentioned it in Twitter posts before. But,

02:05:01.020 --> 02:05:05.479
yeah, they're a crypto -based product, but basically

02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:11.239
it's like you bring in internet, you resell internet

02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:14.239
to your neighbors, and the method that you use,

02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:17.539
you can use point -to -point radio shot, CAT6,

02:05:17.899 --> 02:05:22.840
fiber. But it's LTE -based. Backhaul is what

02:05:22.840 --> 02:05:26.420
most of this is? Yeah. Okay. Point -to -point

02:05:26.420 --> 02:05:29.409
radios. It can be. It doesn't necessarily have

02:05:29.409 --> 02:05:32.550
to be. But let's say that someone in the neighborhood,

02:05:32.670 --> 02:05:36.149
they've decided to buy a reseller circuit. All

02:05:36.149 --> 02:05:41.130
the traffic from everyone who buys into this

02:05:41.130 --> 02:05:43.930
network is going to be encrypted, and it's going

02:05:43.930 --> 02:05:48.789
to be sent over the handoff from the ISP, but

02:05:48.789 --> 02:05:52.289
back to a data center where there's end nodes

02:05:52.289 --> 02:05:55.220
being hosted. And those end nodes take care of

02:05:55.220 --> 02:05:57.720
the public IP assignments. They take care of

02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:00.359
NAT. They take care of content filtering and

02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:03.260
moderating and any legality that comes with it.

02:06:03.319 --> 02:06:08.060
But the essence of it is like this shared model.

02:06:08.260 --> 02:06:12.460
It's, you know, crowdsource infrastructure, but

02:06:12.460 --> 02:06:14.739
like you're incentivized to bring your neighbor

02:06:14.739 --> 02:06:18.140
on board. And let's say I get a point -to -point

02:06:18.140 --> 02:06:21.500
shot to my house. If I can provide internet to

02:06:21.500 --> 02:06:25.239
my neighbor somehow, My bandwidth costs are offset

02:06:25.239 --> 02:06:29.880
by me allowing them to have a link to that. And

02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:32.159
they're doing it in crypto. Now, I've seen this

02:06:32.159 --> 02:06:35.720
done with routing protocols in other similar

02:06:35.720 --> 02:06:39.460
ISP type situations where maybe the ISP out in

02:06:39.460 --> 02:06:41.899
the middle of nowhere sucks and the people have

02:06:41.899 --> 02:06:43.840
to come up with a solution, but it's done in

02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:47.060
fiat currency. So it can certainly be done. Now,

02:06:47.119 --> 02:06:54.029
I've had some additional thoughts about... their

02:06:54.029 --> 02:06:56.369
follow -on plans with validators and tokens,

02:06:56.489 --> 02:06:58.189
because you don't need tokens. You don't necessarily

02:06:58.189 --> 02:07:00.430
need your own blockchain if you can do the same

02:07:00.430 --> 02:07:04.989
thing you're doing in fiat. But we'll see. Lloyd

02:07:04.989 --> 02:07:08.550
Christmas, my favorite troll, asked, why are

02:07:08.550 --> 02:07:11.229
your cheeks so red? And let me counter that with

02:07:11.229 --> 02:07:14.090
another question. Why the F weren't you here

02:07:14.090 --> 02:07:19.069
for the year -in -review livestream, Lloyd? That

02:07:19.069 --> 02:07:22.829
was an amazing livestream. Sponsored by FTX.

02:07:24.229 --> 02:07:28.890
Yeah. So with that bandwidth sharing, you're

02:07:28.890 --> 02:07:31.970
effectively getting around the problem of having

02:07:31.970 --> 02:07:36.750
potentially incriminating or what's the word?

02:07:37.350 --> 02:07:40.569
Yeah, problematic traffic on your link by having

02:07:40.569 --> 02:07:44.130
the encrypted. If it's all encrypted, then you're

02:07:44.130 --> 02:07:46.130
not responsible for transit. That's what you're

02:07:46.130 --> 02:07:53.000
asking? Yeah. So it is. They have people who

02:07:53.000 --> 02:07:58.899
have big routers in a data center, and basically

02:07:58.899 --> 02:08:02.439
that has an IPsec tunnel to every end device

02:08:02.439 --> 02:08:05.239
in people's homes. So if you're a transit node,

02:08:05.380 --> 02:08:10.039
like I provide a Cat5 link to a neighbor, and

02:08:10.039 --> 02:08:12.539
they use my connection, I'm not responsible for

02:08:12.539 --> 02:08:15.020
that. I can't see what's going over that. You

02:08:15.020 --> 02:08:17.140
don't want to see. You don't want to see what's

02:08:17.140 --> 02:08:19.199
going over it. Yeah. And if they violate the

02:08:19.199 --> 02:08:22.270
law. That is taken care of by that node that

02:08:22.270 --> 02:08:24.430
unencrypts it, provides a public IP address.

02:08:24.569 --> 02:08:27.729
So why does another node unencrypt it and they

02:08:27.729 --> 02:08:30.050
don't unencrypt it? Can they run another layer

02:08:30.050 --> 02:08:32.789
of encryption on top of this? Well, yeah, you

02:08:32.789 --> 02:08:38.310
can do just a regular SSL VPN if you wanted to

02:08:38.310 --> 02:08:42.310
or another IPsec VPN through it. But the whole

02:08:42.310 --> 02:08:45.100
point is... The people who have a lot of experience

02:08:45.100 --> 02:08:48.699
in the ISP realm are going to take responsibility

02:08:48.699 --> 02:08:54.439
and abide by the law. Right, but it's our responsibility

02:08:54.439 --> 02:08:57.680
to say, how can we tell our dirtiest secrets

02:08:57.680 --> 02:09:04.020
in private over a network? Our roles in this

02:09:04.020 --> 02:09:07.600
industry and what we do is we have to build the

02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:10.100
infrastructure that allows us to have complete

02:09:10.100 --> 02:09:13.270
end -to -end privacy. And no one else, no one

02:09:13.270 --> 02:09:16.630
else can, can violate that in between me and

02:09:16.630 --> 02:09:21.449
my partner or me and me. Right. That's critical.

02:09:21.529 --> 02:09:24.430
I agree. I like that thought process, but just

02:09:24.430 --> 02:09:26.630
explain the way the system works, you know? No,

02:09:26.710 --> 02:09:29.569
no, I got you. Yeah. Yeah. So that's interesting.

02:09:29.970 --> 02:09:32.050
And that's kind of like, you know, we're saying

02:09:32.050 --> 02:09:35.409
earlier on helium opened the doors to a lot of

02:09:35.409 --> 02:09:37.390
these tip and network. That would be considered

02:09:37.390 --> 02:09:39.210
one of them. There's more people interested in

02:09:39.210 --> 02:09:42.710
this kind of infrastructure because of, the massive

02:09:42.710 --> 02:09:46.390
success that helium had in standing up a crowdsourced

02:09:46.390 --> 02:09:50.430
network now this is the thing another lesson

02:09:50.430 --> 02:09:54.310
learned with this type of model the crowd source

02:09:54.310 --> 02:09:58.869
model and i'm always open input but i believe

02:09:58.869 --> 02:10:02.729
that you know like harder you rise harder you

02:10:02.729 --> 02:10:07.300
fall is very potentially possible Because when

02:10:07.300 --> 02:10:10.000
it comes to something like Althea, where it's

02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:12.659
going to take a lot of research, a lot of funding

02:10:12.659 --> 02:10:18.079
up front, or maybe another project like pollen

02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:20.859
or even helium 5G, you'd think people are going

02:10:20.859 --> 02:10:24.439
to put more understanding and more commitment

02:10:24.439 --> 02:10:28.859
into the project itself and their infrastructure

02:10:28.859 --> 02:10:31.180
and their involvement because they're spending

02:10:31.180 --> 02:10:33.100
that money, because they're spending that time.

02:10:33.609 --> 02:10:35.909
as opposed to maybe something really simple like

02:10:35.909 --> 02:10:39.270
a hotspot where they don't have as much skin

02:10:39.270 --> 02:10:44.090
in the game. So I think the FUD that is spread

02:10:44.090 --> 02:10:48.390
by people who have that type of commitment because

02:10:48.390 --> 02:10:50.750
they have that type of time and money investment

02:10:50.750 --> 02:10:57.130
is a lot. It doesn't exist in the mass that it

02:10:57.130 --> 02:10:59.609
would otherwise with a project that has a lower

02:10:59.609 --> 02:11:06.970
bar of entry. Any thoughts? Yeah. I don't do

02:11:06.970 --> 02:11:09.149
business with anyone who doesn't know who Philip

02:11:09.149 --> 02:11:11.590
Zimmerman is and what he was doing in the early

02:11:11.590 --> 02:11:16.609
90s with PGP. And it doesn't really understand.

02:11:17.430 --> 02:11:22.989
Yeah, yeah. Pretty good privacy. And what Zimmerman

02:11:22.989 --> 02:11:26.710
was doing and then GPG, I guess, you know, looking

02:11:26.710 --> 02:11:30.960
forward there. But yes, privacy is critical to

02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:33.859
everything we're doing here. And if you could

02:11:33.859 --> 02:11:36.460
not have secrets, if you could not have anonymity,

02:11:36.500 --> 02:11:39.420
if you could not have proof of identity as well,

02:11:39.420 --> 02:11:42.100
like I was talking about, these are all critical

02:11:42.100 --> 02:11:44.579
aspects of this infrastructure that we're building.

02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:47.640
And if someone doesn't know what the fuck we're

02:11:47.640 --> 02:11:51.239
talking about, I just say, it's nice to meet

02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:55.739
you, you know? No, I like that type of mindset.

02:11:56.829 --> 02:12:01.609
Um, I'll add, I, all the conspiracies that we

02:12:01.609 --> 02:12:05.130
laugh about, you know, government spying, all

02:12:05.130 --> 02:12:08.670
the things we joke about. It's just that bad.

02:12:08.789 --> 02:12:12.250
It is true. We know it. We've seen, well, not

02:12:12.250 --> 02:12:14.409
only what's going on in the Twitter files, Edward

02:12:14.409 --> 02:12:17.430
Snowden knocked the fricking hinges off the door

02:12:17.430 --> 02:12:21.609
and, um, WikiLeaks, I've drawn blank on his name.

02:12:22.029 --> 02:12:28.770
Um, Who ran WikiLeaks. He's on the run. Julian

02:12:28.770 --> 02:12:32.430
Assange. Yes. I mean, it's all been exposed.

02:12:32.489 --> 02:12:35.010
It's all out there for you to see in plain sight.

02:12:35.569 --> 02:12:38.029
And you see what's in the terms of services in

02:12:38.029 --> 02:12:41.510
these technologies. Is Web3 going to change that?

02:12:42.710 --> 02:12:47.609
Do people even care enough to? I think it's the

02:12:47.609 --> 02:12:49.470
science that's going to change that. And I think

02:12:49.470 --> 02:12:52.430
that it's because I always say you don't argue

02:12:52.430 --> 02:12:55.939
with Matt. I mean, math's solid, man. As far

02:12:55.939 --> 02:13:02.779
as we know, math is solid. It's a hard battle

02:13:02.779 --> 02:13:05.279
to fight. I think this is going to play out more

02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:08.699
politically and more in the public spaces than

02:13:08.699 --> 02:13:14.060
it is in the math spaces. Until we hit singularity,

02:13:14.079 --> 02:13:18.619
and then we're all fucked. Definitely going to

02:13:18.619 --> 02:13:22.100
find a way around all these data breaches constantly.

02:13:23.149 --> 02:13:27.869
being being done um and yeah your ids and that

02:13:27.869 --> 02:13:30.409
kind of stuff but um i can also see the balance

02:13:30.409 --> 02:13:34.869
in you don't want to allow bad actors to be able

02:13:34.869 --> 02:13:38.710
to communicate and organize without any here's

02:13:38.710 --> 02:13:40.390
the thing about data breach but they have to

02:13:40.390 --> 02:13:43.390
everyone has The right to secrets. I mean, you

02:13:43.390 --> 02:13:45.850
cannot say that some bad actors or some people

02:13:45.850 --> 02:13:48.449
cannot tell secrets and other people can. It

02:13:48.449 --> 02:13:52.710
violates everything about what secrets are. I

02:13:52.710 --> 02:13:56.750
mean, everyone, it comes down to math. We can't

02:13:56.750 --> 02:13:58.930
say that I can backdoor them because I think

02:13:58.930 --> 02:14:02.609
that their skin color is wrong or their idealism

02:14:02.609 --> 02:14:04.869
is wrong. You know, I can't backdoor them because

02:14:04.869 --> 02:14:07.350
of that. Everyone has a right to secrets and

02:14:07.350 --> 02:14:12.340
that has to be universal. One thing I will say,

02:14:12.380 --> 02:14:15.500
since you brought up data breaches, Jules, there

02:14:15.500 --> 02:14:17.960
is, I think there's always going to be data breaches.

02:14:18.020 --> 02:14:21.319
My biggest concern with them is how much fricking

02:14:21.319 --> 02:14:25.739
data these, these companies take when we sign

02:14:25.739 --> 02:14:28.180
up for their services and then they get breached

02:14:28.180 --> 02:14:32.260
and we get screwed because of them are going

02:14:32.260 --> 02:14:35.680
to happen. Data is worth, it's worth money. It's

02:14:35.680 --> 02:14:38.840
sold. It's going to be sold on the dark web and

02:14:38.840 --> 02:14:41.840
tumbled into the tumbleweed of, everyone's data

02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:46.420
that you just people go to google takeout and

02:14:46.420 --> 02:14:48.819
go to google takeout and download your whole

02:14:48.819 --> 02:14:51.779
profile bad ideas to bad people on here i don't

02:14:51.779 --> 02:14:54.239
know what you're gonna say but if it if sorry

02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:57.920
travis i don't know no no don't be sorry but

02:14:57.920 --> 02:14:59.779
that's that's something everyone should be aware

02:14:59.779 --> 02:15:02.500
of what google holds on them google takeout will

02:15:02.500 --> 02:15:04.500
give you every piece of information that google

02:15:04.500 --> 02:15:07.340
holds in all of their services and allow you

02:15:07.340 --> 02:15:11.680
to download in like in encrypted. You are correct.

02:15:12.380 --> 02:15:16.000
I'll add on to that. Go download your Facebook

02:15:16.000 --> 02:15:20.000
history. You're going to find every phone call

02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:22.760
at every time and every text message, not the

02:15:22.760 --> 02:15:25.500
text maybe, but the people you texted at any

02:15:25.500 --> 02:15:28.699
time in the history of it because it's linked

02:15:28.699 --> 02:15:31.779
to your account. Your account's on your phone

02:15:31.779 --> 02:15:35.680
and they have that data. It is outrageous. One

02:15:35.680 --> 02:15:38.600
of the big things for Web3 though is the whole

02:15:41.360 --> 02:15:43.739
methods of proving identity without having to

02:15:43.739 --> 02:15:46.779
release your driver's license, your passport,

02:15:47.100 --> 02:15:48.840
et cetera, et cetera, to all these companies

02:15:48.840 --> 02:15:51.739
that have, in some cases, very poor security.

02:15:51.960 --> 02:15:53.880
And we've seen some big ones in Australia recently

02:15:53.880 --> 02:15:56.319
where, again, millions of people have had their

02:15:56.319 --> 02:16:01.300
data released. Yeah. Yeah. Is anyone playing

02:16:01.300 --> 02:16:03.460
with these? They've been making kind of a global

02:16:03.460 --> 02:16:06.520
splash recently. What are they? It's a Flipper

02:16:06.520 --> 02:16:12.970
Zero. Little pen test device. Can you explain

02:16:12.970 --> 02:16:15.130
what it does for the audience? For the audience,

02:16:15.229 --> 02:16:21.689
it can clone RFID. It can NFC, IR. It can open

02:16:21.689 --> 02:16:28.050
gates, pop the gas cap on Teslas. It can allow

02:16:28.050 --> 02:16:35.940
you to clone entry devices. They kind of get

02:16:35.940 --> 02:16:38.579
held up on U .S. Customs. I think 10 ,000 units

02:16:38.579 --> 02:16:41.600
did. And people were like, yeah, I don't know

02:16:41.600 --> 02:16:43.520
if I trust those after they get held up for,

02:16:43.520 --> 02:16:46.739
you know, a month or so, you know. But there's

02:16:46.739 --> 02:16:49.360
different firmware. You can program for them.

02:16:50.139 --> 02:16:53.239
They have extensions. They have GPIO on the top

02:16:53.239 --> 02:16:56.340
there. So you can break out and really hack around

02:16:56.340 --> 02:16:59.340
on them. This is a, sorry, not safe for work

02:16:59.340 --> 02:17:01.420
maybe, but this is a different firmware running

02:17:01.420 --> 02:17:06.549
on it. These are getting extremely popular right

02:17:06.549 --> 02:17:09.110
now and kind of breaking pen testing into a lot

02:17:09.110 --> 02:17:12.469
of the popular media. And I think that's important

02:17:12.469 --> 02:17:17.629
that people understand that, yeah, you're not

02:17:17.629 --> 02:17:19.989
nearly as safe electronically as you think you

02:17:19.989 --> 02:17:28.450
are. Yes, correct. And I want to make a whole.

02:17:28.790 --> 02:17:32.219
So I have a good amount. of information that

02:17:32.219 --> 02:17:34.000
i've already put together especially when it

02:17:34.000 --> 02:17:36.440
comes related to crypto and people staying safe

02:17:36.440 --> 02:17:38.879
but like i want to do some cyber security stuff

02:17:38.879 --> 02:17:43.780
on here but the problem is i have um a crazy

02:17:43.780 --> 02:17:47.739
look someone who is in my past that thinks i

02:17:47.739 --> 02:17:50.659
am obsessed with them and when you work with

02:17:50.659 --> 02:17:53.399
computers i know People are going to think you're

02:17:53.399 --> 02:17:56.280
behind every tree and every corn. I know, I know.

02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:58.319
Down in their soup, they're going to see your

02:17:58.319 --> 02:18:00.879
face. And when they screw up online, you're going

02:18:00.879 --> 02:18:03.200
to get blamed for it. Especially if you teach

02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:06.299
it or if you talk about it. If you bring people

02:18:06.299 --> 02:18:09.139
together to discuss it, then yeah. I mean, you've

02:18:09.139 --> 02:18:12.639
got a bullseye right here, man. And now I've

02:18:12.639 --> 02:18:15.399
been exposed to the same stuff. It sucks, but

02:18:15.399 --> 02:18:20.750
it's reality. I understand that. Fuck it. Teach

02:18:20.750 --> 02:18:23.010
anyway. Talk about it anyway. That's the only

02:18:23.010 --> 02:18:25.969
way to go forward. Just say, look, I'm trying

02:18:25.969 --> 02:18:31.190
to educate you on how to protect yourself. That's

02:18:31.190 --> 02:18:33.809
what we're doing here. What I try to do is avoid

02:18:33.809 --> 02:18:39.569
giving the deliberate script kitty type of tools

02:18:39.569 --> 02:18:42.930
away. Just because you can prove a point doesn't

02:18:42.930 --> 02:18:45.030
mean you should. But they're going to be used

02:18:45.030 --> 02:18:47.430
against people, and so they should be cognizant

02:18:47.430 --> 02:18:51.040
of what's going on. I try not to give bad people

02:18:51.040 --> 02:18:56.239
ideas. I promise anyone that I educate and teach

02:18:56.239 --> 02:18:59.239
with or work with that I'm not going to hack

02:18:59.239 --> 02:19:02.579
you. You don't hack me. That's the deal. Handshake

02:19:02.579 --> 02:19:05.360
deal. Unless it's in a controlled environment.

02:19:06.260 --> 02:19:09.319
Yeah, sure. We're here for education and we're

02:19:09.319 --> 02:19:13.200
here to educate everyone on how this works because

02:19:13.200 --> 02:19:16.620
this is in play. This goes on every day, all

02:19:16.620 --> 02:19:20.819
day, every day, everywhere you can imagine. Don't

02:19:20.819 --> 02:19:23.559
plug a cable that you don't recognize into your

02:19:23.559 --> 02:19:26.819
phone, into your computer. I mean, because you'll

02:19:26.819 --> 02:19:31.239
get your ass owned. Oh, yeah. I'd be surprised.

02:19:31.520 --> 02:19:34.700
Yeah, look on Hack 5. Hack 5 is a really good.

02:19:34.719 --> 02:19:38.159
The OMG cables. I mean, yeah. And then another

02:19:38.159 --> 02:19:40.739
really good YouTube channel I like is Aaron Jones.

02:19:40.979 --> 02:19:42.319
You'll have to look up Aaron Jones Security,

02:19:42.520 --> 02:19:45.860
but he is awesome. Travis, maybe you're the person

02:19:45.860 --> 02:19:49.860
who would know this. Something I wanted to. start

02:19:49.860 --> 02:19:51.780
doing because i stay in a lot of hotel rooms

02:19:51.780 --> 02:19:55.680
what device would you use to like sniff out hidden

02:19:55.680 --> 02:19:58.319
cameras you would you know one off the top of

02:19:58.319 --> 02:20:00.879
your head yeah i'd use like a like a firmware

02:20:00.879 --> 02:20:06.819
modified um like just a sdr like a hack rf um

02:20:06.819 --> 02:20:09.860
i you could use those for for camera detection

02:20:09.860 --> 02:20:14.059
they work pretty well honestly but um on your

02:20:14.059 --> 02:20:18.059
notebook uh get gnu radio set up And, you know,

02:20:18.059 --> 02:20:20.420
get some good modules set up and where you can

02:20:20.420 --> 02:20:23.639
go from the HackRF and through the GNU radio

02:20:23.639 --> 02:20:26.059
workflow. And that's the way to do that. I can

02:20:26.059 --> 02:20:28.840
send some stuff over for you, man. All right.

02:20:28.840 --> 02:20:31.219
Yeah, I'll let you know. We'll talk about it.

02:20:31.579 --> 02:20:34.459
We've got a comment from Lloyd Christmas. Today,

02:20:34.540 --> 02:20:37.479
I read a piece on CNN that Joe Biden signed the

02:20:37.479 --> 02:20:40.159
Omnius bill, which included a ban on TikTok on

02:20:40.159 --> 02:20:42.940
federal employee devices. I had my ass off. Imagine

02:20:42.940 --> 02:20:45.799
having to legislate that. And yes, I hate CNN,

02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:49.430
too. But that is some progress. I mean, you think

02:20:49.430 --> 02:20:52.850
it's common sense. And another thing that I don't

02:20:52.850 --> 02:20:54.989
like, and I understand that Huawei is competitive

02:20:54.989 --> 02:20:58.649
and they're good products, but they rip off our

02:20:58.649 --> 02:21:01.610
patents and they have backdoors. And we know

02:21:01.610 --> 02:21:06.229
that they're a player, a known state actor for

02:21:06.229 --> 02:21:09.200
the Chinese Communist Party. Why do we have to

02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:11.899
why? I just don't understand what these telecom

02:21:11.899 --> 02:21:13.979
companies are thinking other than about themselves.

02:21:14.459 --> 02:21:17.920
Telecom or every company, every company. I mean,

02:21:17.920 --> 02:21:19.920
where does Apple make its stuff? Where does I

02:21:19.920 --> 02:21:23.559
mean? I mean, it's I mean, you don't put things

02:21:23.559 --> 02:21:27.079
over into Shenzhen to expect your IP to be respected

02:21:27.079 --> 02:21:29.760
because everyone knows it's not going to be.

02:21:30.000 --> 02:21:32.819
And I mean, in a lot of cases, you're going to

02:21:32.819 --> 02:21:35.120
have night runs. you know running what you're

02:21:35.120 --> 02:21:38.000
building over there at the same time like simultaneously

02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:45.879
so everyone who does that knows that um i i don't

02:21:45.879 --> 02:21:49.200
know what to say stop doing it if you don't want

02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:51.860
that to happen i mean and then don't make any

02:21:51.860 --> 02:21:54.120
of your deadlines don't make any of your go to

02:21:54.120 --> 02:21:59.219
market dates i mean just be better is what i

02:21:59.219 --> 02:22:02.940
say just just Be better. And that may be PR.

02:22:03.100 --> 02:22:05.780
That may be customer service. That may be any

02:22:05.780 --> 02:22:09.040
other aspect besides, you know, the actual product.

02:22:09.159 --> 02:22:13.520
Be better and get there from that. But I don't

02:22:13.520 --> 02:22:14.819
know. I don't know the answer. That's my two

02:22:14.819 --> 02:22:18.360
cents. I seem to kick off a discussion here.

02:22:20.489 --> 02:22:23.250
Pocket Change XD says, dude, cameras are one

02:22:23.250 --> 02:22:25.329
of my biggest fears, and I can see why. And they

02:22:25.329 --> 02:22:28.049
are one of mine, too. I have kids. I don't want

02:22:28.049 --> 02:22:30.610
them being recorded. You can jam them. That's

02:22:30.610 --> 02:22:34.049
illegal. And everyone needs to get your radio

02:22:34.049 --> 02:22:37.010
license. I'll say that right here, man. I wish

02:22:37.010 --> 02:22:39.590
they would have classes that teenagers, high

02:22:39.590 --> 02:22:41.469
school and stuff would teach safety on the Internet.

02:22:42.069 --> 02:22:45.309
Yeah, that scares the shit out of me. We might

02:22:45.309 --> 02:22:49.309
have to do a safety course. For parents as well.

02:22:49.309 --> 02:22:53.290
For parents. How do you deal with kids that I

02:22:53.290 --> 02:22:56.229
want to allow them to have access to this huge

02:22:56.229 --> 02:22:58.510
wealth of information, but I don't want them

02:22:58.510 --> 02:23:03.270
seeing DP or weird stuff that may not be age

02:23:03.270 --> 02:23:06.469
appropriate. Yeah. Chad, Dawson, Bobby from the

02:23:06.469 --> 02:23:08.750
Helium Discord, thanks for being here. Thanks

02:23:08.750 --> 02:23:11.309
for the comments. You asked about the future

02:23:11.309 --> 02:23:13.770
of Helium and 5G and Wi -Fi. We talked about

02:23:13.770 --> 02:23:16.719
that earlier. If anyone wants to take Take the

02:23:16.719 --> 02:23:18.579
question, but I don't think, you know, there's

02:23:18.579 --> 02:23:20.879
a lot of speculation. There's no definitive answers

02:23:20.879 --> 02:23:22.920
here and really don't know what's going to happen.

02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:25.659
And he asked about the future of Hive Mapper,

02:23:25.700 --> 02:23:27.639
which you're going to get a video from me tomorrow.

02:23:28.100 --> 02:23:32.719
Cool. If I could chime in on the whole teenager

02:23:32.719 --> 02:23:35.860
pocket change says a teenager should be taught

02:23:35.860 --> 02:23:39.639
this stuff. Like my age group, I've noticed a

02:23:39.639 --> 02:23:42.420
lot of the kids do not care about any of their

02:23:42.420 --> 02:23:44.719
information. And I've seen so many of them get

02:23:44.719 --> 02:23:48.540
scammed. I know a girl that just lost like a

02:23:48.540 --> 02:23:50.719
thousand dollars because she felt the classic

02:23:50.719 --> 02:23:55.219
like Wells Fargo email scam. And their accounts

02:23:55.219 --> 02:23:57.639
get hacked on Instagram all the time. You explain

02:23:57.639 --> 02:24:04.520
that. Oh, yeah, this is this is a well -known

02:24:04.520 --> 02:24:08.540
issue. And there are. there's two youtubers in

02:24:08.540 --> 02:24:10.139
particular that i've been watching where they

02:24:10.139 --> 02:24:12.360
actually call the scam call centers and they

02:24:12.360 --> 02:24:14.479
go through it but basically you'll get a phone

02:24:14.479 --> 02:24:19.299
call or an email and it is somebody usually um

02:24:19.299 --> 02:24:21.459
in india is where they found where a lot of these

02:24:21.459 --> 02:24:24.559
scam call centers are from they're calling and

02:24:24.559 --> 02:24:27.079
they're saying that there has been some sort

02:24:27.079 --> 02:24:29.979
of issue on your account and that you need to

02:24:29.979 --> 02:24:31.440
work through it there's there's a whole bunch

02:24:31.440 --> 02:24:34.280
of different uh ways that they can go about basically

02:24:34.280 --> 02:24:39.540
saying that they need your information to assist

02:24:39.540 --> 02:24:41.579
with your account because there's some sort of

02:24:41.579 --> 02:24:44.059
compromise. And the compromise is you giving

02:24:44.059 --> 02:24:47.239
them. Yeah, exactly. So you hang up immediately

02:24:47.239 --> 02:24:51.860
and then you call. Well, I personally will hang

02:24:51.860 --> 02:24:54.959
up immediately and call the bank and make sure

02:24:54.959 --> 02:24:58.520
that they called me. Any phone number can be

02:24:58.520 --> 02:25:00.379
spoofed. Let me tell you a little story about

02:25:00.379 --> 02:25:02.840
what I used to do when I was 12 years old and

02:25:02.840 --> 02:25:05.639
my parents. Got divorced. Well, it was probably

02:25:05.639 --> 02:25:07.840
more when I was 15 years old. But they argued

02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:10.280
for years afterwards, and they both had some

02:25:10.280 --> 02:25:13.520
drug and alcohol issues. So, you know, when I

02:25:13.520 --> 02:25:16.799
was tired of hearing my mom's crap, I would just

02:25:16.799 --> 02:25:19.459
spoof a text message and make it look like it

02:25:19.459 --> 02:25:23.559
was from my dad. All I would say is, hey. And

02:25:23.559 --> 02:25:27.760
it came exactly from his number. What the fuck

02:25:27.760 --> 02:25:31.750
does your dad want now? They start arguing. Then

02:25:31.750 --> 02:25:33.549
my dad's calling me, what, is she drunk again?

02:25:34.250 --> 02:25:35.770
But I did it because I thought it was funny.

02:25:35.930 --> 02:25:38.190
But you do, I mean, at the bank I worked at,

02:25:38.209 --> 02:25:41.270
we got robocalls all the time from different

02:25:41.270 --> 02:25:44.850
numbers. They spoof numbers, making it look like

02:25:44.850 --> 02:25:47.750
it's a legit, it's coming from ComEd. You need

02:25:47.750 --> 02:25:50.430
to pay your bill. That goes to regular people,

02:25:50.549 --> 02:25:52.829
right? Well, beyond that, man. It looks like

02:25:52.829 --> 02:25:55.409
it's coming from another bank to us. Go ahead,

02:25:55.510 --> 02:25:58.450
Travis. No, they'll see what area codes you accept

02:25:58.450 --> 02:26:03.329
calls from, and you will get to start spoof calls

02:26:03.329 --> 02:26:06.629
from those area codes because there's a larger

02:26:06.629 --> 02:26:11.229
percent chance that you pick those up. It's ridiculous,

02:26:11.530 --> 02:26:17.909
man. But yes, it's everyone. See, that's the

02:26:17.909 --> 02:26:22.510
thing, Joe. I believe in people knowing how to

02:26:22.510 --> 02:26:26.500
do this. in in the educational aspect of stem

02:26:26.500 --> 02:26:29.440
of saying hey do you want to know how to spoof

02:26:29.440 --> 02:26:33.299
this i will teach you but then like just like

02:26:33.299 --> 02:26:35.819
you say people think that you're the guy you're

02:26:35.819 --> 02:26:37.559
the bad guy when something happens and you're

02:26:37.559 --> 02:26:40.219
like no i'm not yeah i've thought about making

02:26:40.219 --> 02:26:42.959
these courses private and i'm not going to tell

02:26:42.959 --> 02:26:46.979
anyone how to do anything illegal not going to

02:26:46.979 --> 02:26:50.680
tell anyone how to do Like, even get close to

02:26:50.680 --> 02:26:53.739
nefarious things other than if you want to start,

02:26:53.840 --> 02:26:58.319
download Linux. Here's the resources. Have fun

02:26:58.319 --> 02:27:03.059
learning. That's it. But the thing is, Joe, what

02:27:03.059 --> 02:27:05.799
gets me is I've had some friends, you know, from

02:27:05.799 --> 02:27:08.139
high school and stuff, and their kids got popped

02:27:08.139 --> 02:27:11.100
for computer crimes. And they come to me and

02:27:11.100 --> 02:27:15.389
they're like, what do I do? You know? I'm like,

02:27:15.469 --> 02:27:17.870
well, the problem is lack of education. The problem

02:27:17.870 --> 02:27:20.250
is these kids are just doing what we used to

02:27:20.250 --> 02:27:23.389
do when we were young, you know, and kind of

02:27:23.389 --> 02:27:25.010
running out and just figuring things out and

02:27:25.010 --> 02:27:27.229
not having anyone to talk to, man. You know?

02:27:27.229 --> 02:27:30.270
Yeah. And I think that we have a responsibility,

02:27:30.370 --> 02:27:33.450
honestly, to the community, you know, of these

02:27:33.450 --> 02:27:35.649
kids to say, hey, you can talk to me. I don't

02:27:35.649 --> 02:27:37.829
care what the fuck you're doing, man. You can

02:27:37.829 --> 02:27:41.190
talk to me. I'm not going to the cops. I'm not

02:27:41.190 --> 02:27:44.739
going, you know, just. you know let's chat man

02:27:44.739 --> 02:27:47.200
you know yeah and i think that's important for

02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:51.020
for these kids to have um that that back that

02:27:51.020 --> 02:27:53.340
you know backstop or what whatever you know yeah

02:27:53.340 --> 02:27:56.959
with great power comes great responsibility and

02:27:56.959 --> 02:28:01.860
it's too easy to abuse um and unfortunately there

02:28:01.860 --> 02:28:03.959
are just so many people who are not aware to

02:28:03.959 --> 02:28:07.860
how rampant this is how easy it is to be tricked

02:28:07.860 --> 02:28:11.860
when you don't have The suspicion and paranoia

02:28:11.860 --> 02:28:14.399
as well as the understanding of the technology

02:28:14.399 --> 02:28:16.959
and how people really are. Look, one of the things,

02:28:17.059 --> 02:28:20.299
and I always say this, I like to believe that

02:28:20.299 --> 02:28:22.059
people are good, that we live in a mostly good

02:28:22.059 --> 02:28:25.219
society, and I still do. But what I learned,

02:28:25.319 --> 02:28:27.899
what we described earlier with the gaming of

02:28:27.899 --> 02:28:32.280
the system, it really opened my eyes to how people

02:28:32.280 --> 02:28:34.760
are when they can get away with things. That

02:28:34.760 --> 02:28:39.750
is unfortunate. But it's reality. yeah there's

02:28:39.750 --> 02:28:42.610
some cheap bags out there no there's no uh comfort

02:28:42.610 --> 02:28:46.549
in the truth let's just stop up the kids man

02:28:46.549 --> 02:28:51.649
i agree that's the only way you can have a better

02:28:51.649 --> 02:28:54.989
future and i'll tell you what i'd really do believe

02:28:54.989 --> 02:28:59.329
in the future of crypto um i believe it will

02:28:59.329 --> 02:29:01.709
change things not the way everyone says that

02:29:01.709 --> 02:29:05.309
it is right now like they say future is oh sorry

02:29:05.309 --> 02:29:08.799
technology is overestimated short -term underestimated

02:29:08.799 --> 02:29:14.620
long -term i forget who the quotes by yeah overestimated

02:29:14.620 --> 02:29:16.780
short -term underestimated long -term the impacts

02:29:16.780 --> 02:29:22.639
um i do believe that the influence that we have

02:29:22.639 --> 02:29:25.139
in the space collectively needs to we need to

02:29:25.139 --> 02:29:29.360
use responsible and we need to push for education

02:29:29.360 --> 02:29:34.719
and better usage or the better path of these

02:29:34.719 --> 02:29:36.739
different projects to take. And that's why I'm

02:29:36.739 --> 02:29:39.379
on this kick about web three and security and

02:29:39.379 --> 02:29:43.760
privacy and other, other things. But I mean,

02:29:43.760 --> 02:29:46.620
this is what I think I do best in life because

02:29:46.620 --> 02:29:48.860
it's my career path, but it's like, I have kids,

02:29:48.940 --> 02:29:52.000
I have to be engaged with society and want what's

02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:54.840
better for the future. I can't just go put my,

02:29:54.879 --> 02:29:58.120
my head in the, in the sand and act like an ostrich.

02:29:58.360 --> 02:30:01.840
Yeah. And 10 years down the road, it's not going

02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:03.639
to be me talking to you. It's going to be our

02:30:03.639 --> 02:30:06.239
generation talking to next generation. And so

02:30:06.239 --> 02:30:08.799
we need to think that out as well. I mean, it's

02:30:08.799 --> 02:30:11.920
not all these micro conversations going on, but

02:30:11.920 --> 02:30:14.280
it's about what we're doing as a collective right

02:30:14.280 --> 02:30:18.719
now in the space and how that plays out cross

02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:21.899
-generationally. So, yeah. So, Travis, what's

02:30:21.899 --> 02:30:27.459
your view on regulation for crypto? Everyone

02:30:27.459 --> 02:30:32.579
in my family, is uh cpa um except for my except

02:30:32.579 --> 02:30:35.719
for me um kind of a black sheep as far as that

02:30:35.719 --> 02:30:39.219
goes but um i kind of went the computer out um

02:30:39.219 --> 02:30:47.540
but um as far as regulation it it when we're

02:30:47.540 --> 02:30:50.760
talking about federal regulation like um on a

02:30:50.760 --> 02:30:54.100
national level um which we're seeing you know

02:30:54.100 --> 02:30:57.420
creeping heavy heavy heavy um or if we're talking

02:30:57.420 --> 02:31:00.739
about um you know international exchange of i

02:31:00.739 --> 02:31:03.579
mean i mean or if we're talking about um complete

02:31:03.579 --> 02:31:06.879
anonymity on crypto um i i think there's a lot

02:31:06.879 --> 02:31:09.239
of aspects that can be can be discussed here

02:31:09.239 --> 02:31:11.819
i think that i mean there are countries where

02:31:11.819 --> 02:31:17.299
um anonymity is the number one issue you know

02:31:17.299 --> 02:31:24.760
is i i i need to be able to to to deal with some

02:31:24.760 --> 02:31:27.840
type of monetary system without my name being

02:31:27.840 --> 02:31:31.020
tied to it. And in a lot of countries, this is

02:31:31.020 --> 02:31:33.760
life or death. I mean, this is critical, critical

02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:40.079
stuff that isn't evading taxes. That's not the

02:31:40.079 --> 02:31:41.899
critical aspect we're talking about. We're talking

02:31:41.899 --> 02:31:47.399
about getting your ass hung or shot. And so I

02:31:47.399 --> 02:31:52.250
don't know. I mean, it's a terribly hard... issue

02:31:52.250 --> 02:31:55.409
to even define much less you know talk about

02:31:55.409 --> 02:31:59.590
solutions to like how um i mean i think the two

02:31:59.590 --> 02:32:01.969
critical are anonymity and proof of identity

02:32:01.969 --> 02:32:06.610
and they both have to exist side by side um and

02:32:06.610 --> 02:32:11.510
they have to exist in a situation where i have

02:32:11.510 --> 02:32:14.989
no access to a bank for example you know i live

02:32:14.989 --> 02:32:16.610
in the middle of nowhere i don't have banking

02:32:16.610 --> 02:32:21.010
access i don't have how do i have access to um

02:32:21.559 --> 02:32:25.379
Not necessarily wealth, but funds. How do I store

02:32:25.379 --> 02:32:29.479
funds? And I do that via crypto. That's the only

02:32:29.479 --> 02:32:33.739
known way really out there for someone in the

02:32:33.739 --> 02:32:38.620
middle of nowhere. Let's say someone in Africa,

02:32:38.799 --> 02:32:43.500
no banking, no access really to much computer

02:32:43.500 --> 02:32:47.959
systems or telecom systems. How do I maintain

02:32:47.959 --> 02:32:50.850
and build wealth? That's a hard fucking question,

02:32:50.930 --> 02:32:56.770
man. Yeah. No, I think for crypto to ever be

02:32:56.770 --> 02:32:59.190
mainstream, there has to be some level of regulation

02:32:59.190 --> 02:33:02.129
for the centralized exchanges, that kind of thing.

02:33:02.190 --> 02:33:03.850
But I also agree with what you're saying, too,

02:33:03.950 --> 02:33:07.329
is we need a decentralized indexes to still operate

02:33:07.329 --> 02:33:10.809
in a decentralized way of transmitting money.

02:33:10.870 --> 02:33:14.649
If I've got family over in Ukraine or some parts

02:33:14.649 --> 02:33:20.329
of China right now where they're being punished

02:33:20.329 --> 02:33:24.889
or whatever, you know, being able to transfer

02:33:24.889 --> 02:33:27.729
money without any controls, that kind of thing

02:33:27.729 --> 02:33:30.209
is certainly important. And every government

02:33:30.209 --> 02:33:32.110
hates that. Every government is going to hate

02:33:32.110 --> 02:33:36.690
that, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, anonymity is

02:33:36.690 --> 02:33:40.549
good, but I think for the average Joe who wants

02:33:40.549 --> 02:33:44.030
to invest and goes to FTX or something like that,

02:33:44.129 --> 02:33:46.209
there needs to be some sort of regulation so

02:33:46.209 --> 02:33:50.399
that there's a trust in it. a trusted avenue

02:33:50.399 --> 02:33:52.579
for those who don't want to delve into DEXs and

02:33:52.579 --> 02:33:56.100
that kind of thing. Sure. But we're talking about

02:33:56.100 --> 02:33:59.180
an entire across -the -board financial system

02:33:59.180 --> 02:34:02.079
here. I mean, and so we can't just talk about,

02:34:02.100 --> 02:34:03.780
you know, these folks or these folks or these

02:34:03.780 --> 02:34:06.780
folks. We have to say, I mean, this is a rebuilding

02:34:06.780 --> 02:34:14.659
of our financial ecosystem. And how is that going

02:34:14.659 --> 02:34:19.350
to be handled? it's not an easy question um i

02:34:19.350 --> 02:34:23.409
don't know i agree you know they're all all important

02:34:23.409 --> 02:34:27.190
and you know too many people i think have vested

02:34:27.190 --> 02:34:30.370
interest whether it be for themselves for their

02:34:30.370 --> 02:34:33.670
company and not necessarily for the betterment

02:34:33.670 --> 02:34:36.729
of the future that this tech is going to bring

02:34:36.729 --> 02:34:40.350
not for the good of good of all and i i really

02:34:40.350 --> 02:34:42.989
hate to see that because i think no matter what

02:34:42.989 --> 02:34:45.430
in this space if you have a good product or even

02:34:45.430 --> 02:34:49.180
a average product at this point you stand to

02:34:49.180 --> 02:34:51.040
make a lot of money if you play your cards right

02:34:51.040 --> 02:34:53.139
and you can still be honest by doing it you're

02:34:53.139 --> 02:34:54.920
not going to make as much as you were ripping

02:34:54.920 --> 02:34:59.840
off everyone and and um you know screwing others

02:34:59.840 --> 02:35:04.040
over but look you have to you know try being

02:35:04.040 --> 02:35:05.879
a decent human being chris was there something

02:35:05.879 --> 02:35:08.139
you want to add here oh no chad said that the

02:35:08.139 --> 02:35:10.180
stock market had very little trust and was like

02:35:10.180 --> 02:35:13.420
the wild west before the 1920s and i think that

02:35:13.420 --> 02:35:16.629
you know we can put crypto on the same spectrum

02:35:16.629 --> 02:35:20.590
we are at the forefront of a brand new technology

02:35:20.590 --> 02:35:24.010
as you say with your uh the video that we usually

02:35:24.010 --> 02:35:26.069
play in the beginning of these things but it's

02:35:26.069 --> 02:35:30.069
i mean we really are at the dawn of of something

02:35:30.069 --> 02:35:33.489
revolutionary so there's no doubt that i think

02:35:33.489 --> 02:35:38.510
what's up yeah who isn't here rest easy writes

02:35:38.510 --> 02:35:42.270
who the f isn't here for money be real look i'm

02:35:42.270 --> 02:35:44.909
here for money i will sit here and tell you yes

02:35:44.909 --> 02:35:49.870
i'm here for money but how do i present my content

02:35:49.870 --> 02:35:52.229
to you i don't really sell affiliate links i

02:35:52.229 --> 02:35:54.430
don't try to get you to buy into the idea of

02:35:54.430 --> 02:35:57.030
making hundreds a day doing nothing i try to

02:35:57.030 --> 02:35:59.649
be honest with you i'm here to do the research

02:35:59.649 --> 02:36:02.350
and the hard work and find the next project that

02:36:02.350 --> 02:36:06.270
is going to be a useful solution and that is

02:36:06.270 --> 02:36:08.530
going to have that utility that comes with that

02:36:08.530 --> 02:36:12.319
massive value in the crypto Yeah, and Joe, you're

02:36:12.319 --> 02:36:14.500
not paying any of us to be on here to talk about

02:36:14.500 --> 02:36:19.920
this, man. He's buying you? Oh, shit. Well, secret's

02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:24.379
out. I guess they have to know. I just checked

02:36:24.379 --> 02:36:29.379
it from Chris. Joe pays me. Okay, awesome. Cool.

02:36:29.500 --> 02:36:32.420
Now we're good. No, but it isn't necessarily

02:36:32.420 --> 02:36:34.700
all about the money. And there's some projects

02:36:34.700 --> 02:36:38.020
I work with that are involved in crypto that...

02:36:38.870 --> 02:36:42.450
I have been around for a very long time and go

02:36:42.450 --> 02:36:44.829
to one planet education dot com and check it

02:36:44.829 --> 02:36:48.049
out. See what we're doing over there. Trust me,

02:36:48.069 --> 02:36:50.489
the money isn't rolling in, but it's it's one

02:36:50.489 --> 02:36:52.170
of the most amazing projects I've been involved

02:36:52.170 --> 02:36:55.709
with in the space. So, you know, I also want

02:36:55.709 --> 02:36:58.829
to say something. You see what Gristle King does

02:36:58.829 --> 02:37:02.969
with his YouTube. He is working his ass off to

02:37:02.969 --> 02:37:06.909
both do. what's good for the helium ecosystem,

02:37:07.209 --> 02:37:10.969
but still make his fair share of money through

02:37:10.969 --> 02:37:14.129
consulting. You can't fault them for that. It's

02:37:14.129 --> 02:37:16.170
not a crime to make money, man. It's not a crime

02:37:16.170 --> 02:37:19.010
to make money. And he doesn't have a massive

02:37:19.010 --> 02:37:22.790
YouTube channel either. It can be done. Is it

02:37:22.790 --> 02:37:26.690
going to be instantaneous overnight? No, but...

02:37:27.200 --> 02:37:29.659
As you progress and your name gets known and

02:37:29.659 --> 02:37:31.739
you have more experience, there is a lot of money

02:37:31.739 --> 02:37:33.879
to be made in here. Especially if you want to

02:37:33.879 --> 02:37:36.340
go down the coding route and program freaking

02:37:36.340 --> 02:37:39.540
smart contracts or do something like what Travis

02:37:39.540 --> 02:37:42.260
does. There are endless possibilities and you

02:37:42.260 --> 02:37:45.020
don't have to be a scumbag while you do it. That's

02:37:45.020 --> 02:37:47.360
just what I'm saying. And I pay my monthlies

02:37:47.360 --> 02:37:51.500
over to Nick over at Gristle King to be part

02:37:51.500 --> 02:37:55.610
of the crew over there. I don't think I think

02:37:55.610 --> 02:37:58.670
he gives so much to the community that it's not

02:37:58.670 --> 02:38:00.430
asking much to say, hey, break me up a little.

02:38:00.510 --> 02:38:03.590
You know, yeah, that's that's not a crime and

02:38:03.590 --> 02:38:05.569
that's not a bad thing to say that I'd like to

02:38:05.569 --> 02:38:10.569
get paid for what I do. You know. Yeah, no, I

02:38:10.569 --> 02:38:15.350
agree. And hey, look, I give all the information

02:38:15.350 --> 02:38:21.010
away for free. I know not the best, but, you

02:38:21.010 --> 02:38:23.879
know, that's not the best model to go by. But

02:38:23.879 --> 02:38:27.680
I do believe down the road with the following

02:38:27.680 --> 02:38:30.860
that I've gained and with the connections that

02:38:30.860 --> 02:38:33.500
I've made, it's going to pay off dividends to

02:38:33.500 --> 02:38:37.020
have the trust and support of the community.

02:38:37.219 --> 02:38:39.280
Look, like I said, I don't really have affiliate

02:38:39.280 --> 02:38:41.100
codes to sell you. The ones I do is because I

02:38:41.100 --> 02:38:42.639
believe in the product, believe in the company.

02:38:42.920 --> 02:38:45.000
But when that project comes along, then I say,

02:38:45.120 --> 02:38:48.379
this might be the moonshot. This is the idea.

02:38:49.260 --> 02:38:53.040
I'm going to be telling everyone on YouTube about

02:38:53.040 --> 02:38:56.280
it. And we're going to run with it. And I can't

02:38:56.280 --> 02:38:59.360
peddle bullshit up until that point. Otherwise,

02:38:59.959 --> 02:39:02.260
it's not going to matter when the time is right.

02:39:02.659 --> 02:39:08.260
That's my thoughts. No, I think that lands solid,

02:39:08.379 --> 02:39:12.000
man. And Joe, I mean, just a case in point. I

02:39:12.000 --> 02:39:15.659
mean, you've got so many eyeballs right now that

02:39:15.659 --> 02:39:17.979
have now been on with you for about three hours.

02:39:19.040 --> 02:39:21.700
Just talking about this. Because they want to

02:39:21.700 --> 02:39:24.620
see your face. They want your input into what's

02:39:24.620 --> 02:39:29.799
going on. Whatever. Into what's going on. And

02:39:29.799 --> 02:39:33.319
that's important. It's critical to have that

02:39:33.319 --> 02:39:37.299
community building. And to have trust in that

02:39:37.299 --> 02:39:39.940
community. And to say, hey, I don't know what

02:39:39.940 --> 02:39:43.829
the fuck I'm doing. I like it when this guy,

02:39:43.930 --> 02:39:45.909
because he says some good things, you know, he

02:39:45.909 --> 02:39:48.649
kind of knows what the hell is going on and,

02:39:48.670 --> 02:39:51.969
you know, helps me make good calls for very big

02:39:51.969 --> 02:39:55.090
decisions in life, you know? Yeah, I appreciate

02:39:55.090 --> 02:39:58.850
that. And, you know, it's a little bit weird

02:39:58.850 --> 02:40:01.290
for me that I have so many people who know who

02:40:01.290 --> 02:40:04.030
I am. And I'm sure it's the same for you. This

02:40:04.030 --> 02:40:06.629
is an intimate hobby that we're helping people

02:40:06.629 --> 02:40:09.170
through. They know who we are. They know some

02:40:09.170 --> 02:40:12.489
of our personality. our quirks and about our

02:40:12.489 --> 02:40:15.569
life, but we don't know them. And our face is

02:40:15.569 --> 02:40:18.969
ingrained in their mind for the, for the rest

02:40:18.969 --> 02:40:22.430
of life. Just about. You're doing the devil's

02:40:22.430 --> 02:40:26.649
work, man. You're doing the devil's work. We're

02:40:26.649 --> 02:40:30.969
good. Yeah. We will keep going as long as you

02:40:30.969 --> 02:40:32.930
guys want. If you're having fun, if you want

02:40:32.930 --> 02:40:34.909
to call it a night, whatever you'd like to do.

02:40:36.459 --> 02:40:38.659
However, I'm good for anything. I think this

02:40:38.659 --> 02:40:41.260
is awesome. We have so much good content in this

02:40:41.260 --> 02:40:44.340
video. And I appreciate your guys' comments in

02:40:44.340 --> 02:40:46.399
the comment section. I haven't been displaying

02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:49.139
them today because we get a lot of comments now.

02:40:49.479 --> 02:40:53.440
And I don't like posting them over people's faces

02:40:53.440 --> 02:40:56.620
because I don't feel good doing it. It's not

02:40:56.620 --> 02:41:01.739
proven. Huh? It's not proven in my case, so feel

02:41:01.739 --> 02:41:04.729
free. no one of the things i was going to say

02:41:04.729 --> 02:41:10.069
here is okay i i hate i hate the millennial gen

02:41:10.069 --> 02:41:14.409
zennial obsession with social media and influencers

02:41:14.409 --> 02:41:19.750
i i absolutely despise it and occasionally i

02:41:19.750 --> 02:41:22.450
sign a non -disclosure agreement that says the

02:41:22.450 --> 02:41:26.209
influencer referring to me because i have a youtube

02:41:26.209 --> 02:41:29.370
channel and like i i kind of laugh at it and

02:41:29.370 --> 02:41:33.409
say you know i'm here in spite of that i I do

02:41:33.409 --> 02:41:37.850
believe, and I try not to have a big ego, and

02:41:37.850 --> 02:41:39.889
I try to be down to earth and acknowledge everyone.

02:41:40.870 --> 02:41:45.290
Look, I get a little testy, but that's just my

02:41:45.290 --> 02:41:49.989
personality. However, I try to be a genuine person

02:41:49.989 --> 02:41:53.190
on here, but do what's best, because I know there

02:41:53.190 --> 02:41:58.450
is influence. I mean, it was like 430 ,000 viewing

02:41:58.450 --> 02:42:00.629
hours or something. No, maybe it was 40 ,000

02:42:00.629 --> 02:42:04.319
viewing hours. I have to go look, 430 ,000 views.

02:42:05.020 --> 02:42:07.799
But there's college professors that would kill

02:42:07.799 --> 02:42:10.420
to have that. They would kill to have the platform

02:42:10.420 --> 02:42:14.180
that Travis and Chris have because it's more

02:42:14.180 --> 02:42:16.100
than the reach they have now. So I do think there's

02:42:16.100 --> 02:42:21.280
responsibility in what I say here. And I have

02:42:21.280 --> 02:42:24.780
to hold myself accountable and do what's best

02:42:24.780 --> 02:42:27.680
for the greater opinions. There is influence

02:42:27.680 --> 02:42:31.559
and clout that goes along with this. And I know

02:42:31.559 --> 02:42:33.739
I'm, like I said, a little crass, a little bit.

02:42:33.780 --> 02:42:38.379
I criticize. I try to only criticize at the right

02:42:38.379 --> 02:42:44.420
moments and do what I think is right. And criticizing

02:42:44.420 --> 02:42:48.120
honestly is different. You know, I mean, I believe.

02:42:50.420 --> 02:42:54.360
I don't know. Yeah. That's not just throwing

02:42:54.360 --> 02:42:56.239
someone under the bus. If you criticize someone

02:42:56.239 --> 02:43:00.299
with honest truths, I think that's fair game.

02:43:00.459 --> 02:43:06.059
I don't know. So, a little change in gears. What

02:43:06.059 --> 02:43:09.440
are your guys' New Year's resolutions and plans?

02:43:11.819 --> 02:43:16.780
Who wants to go first? With life? Crypto? Whatever

02:43:16.780 --> 02:43:22.079
you want to talk most about. Oof. So much to

02:43:22.079 --> 02:43:25.899
talk about. I have a lot of New Year's resolutions,

02:43:25.959 --> 02:43:28.659
but like, I mean, I know a big one for a lot

02:43:28.659 --> 02:43:30.659
of people is to get into the gym, but I've been

02:43:30.659 --> 02:43:33.379
doing that very consistently. So I don't really

02:43:33.379 --> 02:43:36.139
consider that as one of my resolutions. It's

02:43:36.139 --> 02:43:37.760
just kind of something I'm just going to continue

02:43:37.760 --> 02:43:41.399
because it's already part of my routine. I'm

02:43:41.399 --> 02:43:44.540
on a track team at the school that I'm at. My

02:43:44.540 --> 02:43:48.040
goal is to go really far like NCAAs this year,

02:43:48.120 --> 02:43:52.040
which would be awesome for me. And as far as

02:43:52.040 --> 02:43:53.459
YouTube, I mean, Joe, we've talked about this

02:43:53.459 --> 02:43:57.059
before. Our goal is to provide like good content,

02:43:57.239 --> 02:44:01.139
good, reliable content. One hundred percent.

02:44:01.219 --> 02:44:02.899
I can't speak for you, but I can speak for myself.

02:44:03.139 --> 02:44:06.100
I I'm already making mistakes. I know I'm going

02:44:06.100 --> 02:44:08.020
to be making mistakes in the content that I make,

02:44:08.100 --> 02:44:10.479
but the viewers are always there and they're

02:44:10.479 --> 02:44:12.760
correcting me. And I love that. And it's always

02:44:12.760 --> 02:44:15.540
making me improve. And our content, if you look

02:44:15.540 --> 02:44:18.340
at like our first crypto videos compared to now,

02:44:18.420 --> 02:44:20.620
we've improved so much with how we're talking

02:44:20.620 --> 02:44:22.940
and how we're getting the point across. And it's

02:44:22.940 --> 02:44:25.360
just it's awesome. So I just want to keep going

02:44:25.360 --> 02:44:27.739
forward with that kind of stuff. I want to keep

02:44:27.739 --> 02:44:31.090
making. more videos especially since we're in

02:44:31.090 --> 02:44:33.690
the bear market it kind of gives us a better

02:44:33.690 --> 02:44:36.229
view of the projects that are serious and that

02:44:36.229 --> 02:44:38.829
want things to succeed versus the projects that

02:44:38.829 --> 02:44:40.350
are just in it for the money because there's

02:44:40.350 --> 02:44:42.629
not a lot of money going around right now so

02:44:42.629 --> 02:44:46.549
if we can uh you know we're gonna find some some

02:44:46.549 --> 02:44:50.110
solid projects as well as just like expanding

02:44:50.110 --> 02:44:53.709
our horizons and collaborating with more youtubers

02:44:53.709 --> 02:44:55.809
we've already been on a whole bunch of different

02:44:55.809 --> 02:44:59.120
streams now we got people in here that um you

02:44:59.120 --> 02:45:01.239
know like chump change and and repent of mine

02:45:01.239 --> 02:45:02.940
like all these guys that i never really thought

02:45:02.940 --> 02:45:06.340
i would i would have like the same platform where

02:45:06.340 --> 02:45:07.940
i would actually be speaking to them now they're

02:45:07.940 --> 02:45:10.239
watching our streams so i think we're doing some

02:45:10.239 --> 02:45:14.340
pretty cool stuff joe and i uh i think that this

02:45:14.340 --> 02:45:16.840
this next year and up until the next bull runs

02:45:16.840 --> 02:45:18.819
happen i think it's going to be really good for

02:45:18.819 --> 02:45:22.059
our self -growth and channel growth what what

02:45:22.059 --> 02:45:24.420
you mentioned about that like improvement is

02:45:24.420 --> 02:45:26.989
probably one of my favorite things Like when

02:45:26.989 --> 02:45:30.270
I see raw talent on YouTube or people like play

02:45:30.270 --> 02:45:33.770
guitar, you know, I like playing guitar. But

02:45:33.770 --> 02:45:36.489
like seeing them when you see them come out of

02:45:36.489 --> 02:45:38.389
the box hot, but they're making little mistakes,

02:45:38.569 --> 02:45:40.950
but they're still killing it. And you get to

02:45:40.950 --> 02:45:44.389
watch them just progress over time and just really

02:45:44.389 --> 02:45:48.270
bring it that. I love it. I love watching other

02:45:48.270 --> 02:45:51.989
people have that kind of success. Anyways, Jules

02:45:51.989 --> 02:45:57.590
2022, 2023. Sorry. Resolutions, plans? Yeah,

02:45:57.610 --> 02:46:01.469
nothing specific. Just keep plugging away and

02:46:01.469 --> 02:46:11.649
doing what I can. Travis. Yeah, shoot. I am kind

02:46:11.649 --> 02:46:14.750
of changing gears a little bit, as most of you,

02:46:14.770 --> 02:46:17.309
I guess, kind of know right now. But I want to

02:46:17.309 --> 02:46:22.270
do more hands -on. like builds on sensors and,

02:46:22.389 --> 02:46:25.030
um, you know, how to actually, you know, how

02:46:25.030 --> 02:46:27.870
do you build a $10 sensor that goes on the helium

02:46:27.870 --> 02:46:29.770
network? You know, how do, how do we do this

02:46:29.770 --> 02:46:32.750
cheaply? How do we do this in, um, you know,

02:46:32.750 --> 02:46:35.889
uh, you know, ST micros, how do we, how do we

02:46:35.889 --> 02:46:38.290
do this in cube? How do we, how do we do this

02:46:38.290 --> 02:46:40.670
a different way and get a little more hands on

02:46:40.670 --> 02:46:43.430
with more of the, um, you know, the bench stuff

02:46:43.430 --> 02:46:47.510
and just do some live streams on that. And, um,

02:46:47.649 --> 02:46:52.559
do a channel. I've been doing a couple of shows

02:46:52.559 --> 02:46:55.340
with Nick or Gristle King the past couple of

02:46:55.340 --> 02:46:59.040
weeks called Hackshare, which is kind of like

02:46:59.040 --> 02:47:02.719
a, I don't know, kind of a spin off of Helium

02:47:02.719 --> 02:47:06.440
Hacks half the hour. But yeah, we do that on

02:47:06.440 --> 02:47:08.879
Wednesdays. It should be good. I think Fish is

02:47:08.879 --> 02:47:11.780
going to be talking this Wednesday on OpenAI.

02:47:12.600 --> 02:47:16.260
So you should definitely tune in. That's a paid

02:47:16.260 --> 02:47:21.020
Gristle King subscription, right? No. Oh, yes,

02:47:21.079 --> 02:47:23.940
yes. Sorry. I think that – no, no, no. This one

02:47:23.940 --> 02:47:27.200
isn't. No, no. This is just open for all, free

02:47:27.200 --> 02:47:32.500
for all on Wednesdays at 6 p .m. Central, 4 p

02:47:32.500 --> 02:47:35.920
.m. Pacific. And it's not the crew thing and

02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:39.000
it's not the network thing. It's just something

02:47:39.000 --> 02:47:43.680
we made up. And it's not on Zoom. It's on Jitsi.

02:47:46.290 --> 02:47:49.989
619OTA posted a video of the Flipper Zero. If

02:47:49.989 --> 02:47:51.370
you guys are interested, that's what that link

02:47:51.370 --> 02:47:57.170
is. Yeah, they're sold out. I send Discord invitations

02:47:57.170 --> 02:47:59.930
to your server and my server if anyone wants

02:47:59.930 --> 02:48:01.569
to join. I know a lot of people have been joining,

02:48:01.690 --> 02:48:04.909
but I mean, as Travis was pointing out earlier,

02:48:05.030 --> 02:48:07.850
we have 20 people pretty much this entire stream,

02:48:07.969 --> 02:48:10.430
which is amazing. Yeah, that's rabid. And we've

02:48:10.430 --> 02:48:13.450
been live streaming. For the past week, week

02:48:13.450 --> 02:48:17.290
and a half, more days than we haven't. And we

02:48:17.290 --> 02:48:20.569
haven't really had as many people. Hey, Travis

02:48:20.569 --> 02:48:22.989
is a rock star, so I know a lot of people like

02:48:22.989 --> 02:48:25.229
to hear what he says. I know you're trying to

02:48:25.229 --> 02:48:30.010
be subtle and what's the word for it, but I'm

02:48:30.010 --> 02:48:31.510
going to say it. I'm going to toot your horn

02:48:31.510 --> 02:48:34.530
for you. And I like having you on the video.

02:48:34.649 --> 02:48:37.430
Well, I love being on here, man. I really enjoy

02:48:37.430 --> 02:48:40.129
you having me on the show. I know we didn't have

02:48:40.129 --> 02:48:43.889
anything real structured, but I love what we've

02:48:43.889 --> 02:48:46.670
been discussing tonight. I think it's valid.

02:48:46.930 --> 02:48:49.870
As far as your project, if you want to come on,

02:48:49.950 --> 02:48:52.530
showcase anything, if you want to post an instructional

02:48:52.530 --> 02:48:55.209
video, I certainly work with you on that. You

02:48:55.209 --> 02:49:00.959
can post it on the channel. commercials for my

02:49:00.959 --> 02:49:03.540
buddies at the beginning of the live streams

02:49:03.540 --> 02:49:06.299
to, like, we have Veteran Miner. He does cables

02:49:06.299 --> 02:49:10.340
for ASICs and GPUs. Hey, if you have something

02:49:10.340 --> 02:49:12.799
like that, I'll run one for you. I appreciate

02:49:12.799 --> 02:49:15.520
it. Thank you, man. Very cool. And if any of

02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:17.479
your viewers, you know, have any questions about,

02:49:17.579 --> 02:49:20.879
like, I don't know, like, firmware or kind of,

02:49:20.879 --> 02:49:23.680
you know, the stuff that I work in, please shoot

02:49:23.680 --> 02:49:29.489
it my way or do a connect, man. Cool. Yeah. very

02:49:29.489 --> 02:49:33.090
cool thank you yeah of course you're always welcome

02:49:33.090 --> 02:49:35.809
as well anyone else you know if we're close enough

02:49:35.809 --> 02:49:39.969
i try to support everyone um hey just when you're

02:49:39.969 --> 02:49:42.889
at the top remember to throw me a few scraps

02:49:42.889 --> 02:49:45.290
hey shoot if you're ever in houston man hit me

02:49:45.290 --> 02:49:47.649
up so i certainly will yeah play some drones

02:49:47.649 --> 02:49:50.709
dude yeah oh that would be excellent that would

02:49:50.709 --> 02:49:55.329
be awesome to do um you do a lot of drones yeah

02:49:55.329 --> 02:49:57.750
yeah quite a bit i do a lot of autonomous uh

02:49:57.750 --> 02:50:02.969
drone stuff um yeah um like flying very very

02:50:02.969 --> 02:50:06.030
far don't tell anyone about that but yeah yeah

02:50:06.030 --> 02:50:10.110
a lot of flying very far away drone stuff yeah

02:50:10.110 --> 02:50:15.229
i just saw uh someone was flying their drone

02:50:15.229 --> 02:50:17.569
in sweden there's a like a youtube documentary

02:50:17.569 --> 02:50:21.010
looking at all of the bunkers that are in the

02:50:21.010 --> 02:50:23.549
the mountain system and it's really cool you

02:50:23.549 --> 02:50:27.200
can see Like hundreds of bunkers. It was all

02:50:27.200 --> 02:50:29.120
accessible by drones. They all look like rock.

02:50:29.620 --> 02:50:32.540
All the rocks open. It's massive cannons. It's

02:50:32.540 --> 02:50:36.479
so sick. Wow. I'm going to use the washroom real

02:50:36.479 --> 02:50:38.479
quick. Hold down the fort. What I do want to

02:50:38.479 --> 02:50:41.200
know is what kind of crazy stuff you do, Travis,

02:50:41.239 --> 02:50:45.040
where you're doing probably RF and drones combined.

02:50:45.139 --> 02:50:48.719
Do you have any sort of like you get, I'm sure,

02:50:48.780 --> 02:50:53.620
exceptionally high and great. I don't really

02:50:53.620 --> 02:50:56.700
get that high anymore. That was more youthful

02:50:56.700 --> 02:51:01.059
things. Likewise. You know what I mean. I know

02:51:01.059 --> 02:51:05.020
I'm joking. No, no, no. I fly within restrictions

02:51:05.020 --> 02:51:12.239
and that's where we can discuss that. I've got

02:51:12.239 --> 02:51:15.899
a video. If you want to talk about it, I'm going

02:51:15.899 --> 02:51:17.739
to use the washroom real quick and I'll be back.

02:51:17.879 --> 02:51:19.219
If you have something you want me to play, I

02:51:19.219 --> 02:51:21.329
can try to play it on here. Well, no, actually,

02:51:21.350 --> 02:51:23.750
I can't talk about something. I do have a 3DR

02:51:23.750 --> 02:51:27.989
Solo, and I've wired in a breakout board to it,

02:51:28.090 --> 02:51:30.909
which allows you to, I'll post a pic in a bit,

02:51:30.989 --> 02:51:34.370
but allows you to have your I2C, like all of

02:51:34.370 --> 02:51:37.850
your main interfaces to the controller on the

02:51:37.850 --> 02:51:43.250
board, breaking out the bottom of it. So, yeah,

02:51:44.549 --> 02:51:51.090
it's neat stuff. I've got a video of... I've

02:51:51.090 --> 02:51:53.850
got some rodeo videos of drone stuff and all

02:51:53.850 --> 02:52:10.569
that. Here we go. Oh, man. 19 people going three

02:52:10.569 --> 02:52:14.350
hours. You know, I got like maybe three hours

02:52:14.350 --> 02:52:19.780
of sleep. It's rough. I'm barely functioning

02:52:19.780 --> 02:52:25.620
right now. All right. I'm going to post a link.

02:52:26.399 --> 02:52:30.200
Where do I post this? Can you see the comments?

02:52:30.559 --> 02:52:35.940
Yeah. No, but I can post it in here. You guys

02:52:35.940 --> 02:52:40.200
see that? Okay. Yeah. That's what that is. That's

02:52:40.200 --> 02:52:43.909
using. And this is very early code. This is a

02:52:43.909 --> 02:52:46.489
long time ago, but it's using some autonomous

02:52:46.489 --> 02:52:50.770
Python code for control here. Can I share this?

02:52:51.049 --> 02:52:55.950
Yeah, that's fine. To do road tracking and at

02:52:55.950 --> 02:53:01.870
the very end, vehicle tracking. That's awesome.

02:53:03.569 --> 02:53:05.909
And if you start it, it should be time queued

02:53:05.909 --> 02:53:12.770
at 1 .51. Yep. And this is unlisted, and that's

02:53:12.770 --> 02:53:15.290
totally... Oh, it probably can't go on a video

02:53:15.290 --> 02:53:19.090
because that's a copyrighted thing, but... Oh,

02:53:19.110 --> 02:53:20.149
I got it on YouTube. Just don't turn the volume

02:53:20.149 --> 02:53:22.389
up. All right, cool. We're good. We're good.

02:53:31.770 --> 02:53:34.010
So can you explain what it's doing again? Right.

02:53:35.250 --> 02:53:40.379
Yes, it should be doing road tracking. Now it's

02:53:40.379 --> 02:53:44.340
just lost. So it's looking for a road or a vehicle.

02:53:44.579 --> 02:53:48.680
So now it's just kind of in look around and find

02:53:48.680 --> 02:53:52.299
something mode. Wow. So this is all automated.

02:53:52.920 --> 02:53:55.379
It's trying to, yeah. It's all autonomous, yeah.

02:53:56.479 --> 02:53:59.139
And then it tries to go play baseball. Yeah,

02:53:59.180 --> 02:54:02.299
I don't know. Like I say, this is very early

02:54:02.299 --> 02:54:06.920
stuff. I bet you can write this in OpenGPT and

02:54:06.920 --> 02:54:09.680
you'll be like, oh, yeah. Here it is. It would

02:54:09.680 --> 02:54:12.579
ride it for me, yeah. But it does get a little

02:54:12.579 --> 02:54:15.639
better at the end. I will say that. And actually,

02:54:15.719 --> 02:54:17.739
it follows one of my friend's cars here at the

02:54:17.739 --> 02:54:24.280
end. Nice. That's awesome. But like I say, this

02:54:24.280 --> 02:54:28.239
is really, really rough, rough code, and it doesn't

02:54:28.239 --> 02:54:30.079
know what it's doing. And it gets lost a lot,

02:54:30.180 --> 02:54:33.840
but it will track here in a moment. You're writing

02:54:33.840 --> 02:54:43.149
this code? I wrote it, yeah. Wow, nice. I promise

02:54:43.149 --> 02:54:49.790
it does something here at some point. Come on

02:54:49.790 --> 02:54:53.430
thing. You probably spent the same amount of

02:54:53.430 --> 02:54:56.229
time writing this as it took me to figure out

02:54:56.229 --> 02:54:59.370
like my first code snippet, which was basically

02:54:59.370 --> 02:55:02.450
trying to log on to CoinMarketCap. Sign me in

02:55:02.450 --> 02:55:04.850
and then claim the diamonds that they give out

02:55:04.850 --> 02:55:08.690
every day. It took me forever. I never got it

02:55:08.690 --> 02:55:10.690
to work because they added the captcha and I,

02:55:10.790 --> 02:55:14.770
whatever. See, it turned around here. It tried

02:55:14.770 --> 02:55:17.270
to track it and then it turned around and got

02:55:17.270 --> 02:55:21.069
lost. I'm sorry to interrupt. You're good. You

02:55:21.069 --> 02:55:24.149
can see it's trying to though. It's pretty cool.

02:55:24.409 --> 02:55:28.149
So would this be easier to track in the daytime

02:55:28.149 --> 02:55:32.600
or is it going off of like late? This is all

02:55:32.600 --> 02:55:36.620
vision that it's going off of. We'll catch a

02:55:36.620 --> 02:55:41.059
car here in a moment, I believe. But see, now

02:55:41.059 --> 02:55:43.239
it found a road and it's trying to follow a road

02:55:43.239 --> 02:55:47.879
to find a car. It's kind of... The way it's looking

02:55:47.879 --> 02:55:56.610
at things. Okay, now I feel obliged to... upload

02:55:56.610 --> 02:55:58.989
some of the new stuff that actually works well.

02:55:59.129 --> 02:56:01.049
This is kind of embarrassing. I'm sorry, folks.

02:56:01.370 --> 02:56:05.290
If you're able to send it directly on Discord,

02:56:05.350 --> 02:56:09.590
upload it too. Hey, look, don't be embarrassed.

02:56:09.870 --> 02:56:13.430
You can do something more. There's more skill

02:56:13.430 --> 02:56:15.489
and talent that go into this than the majority

02:56:15.489 --> 02:56:18.110
of people. It takes a while to do this stuff.

02:56:18.290 --> 02:56:21.309
It is awesome. Jason, thanks for being here.

02:56:21.389 --> 02:56:28.540
Take care. But I get it. I mean, we're all perfectionists

02:56:28.540 --> 02:56:31.040
to a point. Well, this is my friend's car, actually.

02:56:31.159 --> 02:56:34.379
And this is doing live tracking. And then it

02:56:34.379 --> 02:56:37.760
almost hits a tree here in a minute. And so at

02:56:37.760 --> 02:56:41.319
that point, I do take over manual control. Oh,

02:56:42.639 --> 02:56:48.459
it's going lower. I see. Well, because it was

02:56:48.459 --> 02:56:52.299
flying to my house doing the car tracking. And

02:56:52.299 --> 02:56:55.059
then it saw his car and his car was also going

02:56:55.059 --> 02:56:57.739
to my house. And so it's trying to land on when

02:56:57.739 --> 02:57:00.559
it was trying to track. And it goes crazy here

02:57:00.559 --> 02:57:02.979
and tries to track another car. I think it tries

02:57:02.979 --> 02:57:04.739
to track that one and almost runs into a tree.

02:57:06.899 --> 02:57:13.000
Yeah. So I missed the whole discussion about

02:57:13.000 --> 02:57:18.140
the setup and how it's communicating. Python.

02:57:18.140 --> 02:57:23.860
Yeah. Nice. And then probably here from on out

02:57:23.860 --> 02:57:27.399
is probably manually controlled. So that's the

02:57:27.399 --> 02:57:30.840
video. All right. Don't want to expose your house

02:57:30.840 --> 02:57:33.219
or anything. Austin says, any comment on my 31

02:57:33.219 --> 02:57:37.540
MXC miners? Yes, Chad. I did ask you in a – oh,

02:57:37.579 --> 02:57:40.219
this is Bobby. I did ask you in a comment what

02:57:40.219 --> 02:57:43.000
possessed you to buy that many. Now, I hope that

02:57:43.000 --> 02:57:44.940
you're able to get your return on investment.

02:57:45.100 --> 02:57:48.920
I really do. because I don't know. I hope they

02:57:48.920 --> 02:57:51.420
get their crap together and come up with something

02:57:51.420 --> 02:57:54.459
coherent, but I don't see it happening. I'm sorry.

02:57:54.540 --> 02:57:59.059
I just don't see it being. Look, maybe that token

02:57:59.059 --> 02:58:02.000
will take off again in the next bull market and

02:58:02.000 --> 02:58:03.940
you'll make your money back. I sure hope so.

02:58:04.340 --> 02:58:08.219
But you've seen my video. You know what I think.

02:58:08.620 --> 02:58:11.059
And there's just too many shady stuff, too many

02:58:11.059 --> 02:58:14.100
shady things going on there. and not enough development

02:58:14.100 --> 02:58:17.760
for me to actually believe that there's substance,

02:58:17.879 --> 02:58:21.959
there's value, there's anything worthwhile for

02:58:21.959 --> 02:58:23.860
people, especially to spend that kind of money

02:58:23.860 --> 02:58:26.440
on a device that is not worth that kind of money.

02:58:26.940 --> 02:58:30.760
The good news is you can sell them on eBay for

02:58:30.760 --> 02:58:33.680
around $1 ,000 is what they're going for. So

02:58:33.680 --> 02:58:37.079
you don't have a complete loss. The thing is,

02:58:37.180 --> 02:58:42.979
Bobby, you might... There's going to be a fee

02:58:42.979 --> 02:58:45.180
that you have to pay for transferring it to someone

02:58:45.180 --> 02:58:48.420
else, but yes, you can sell them if you're worried

02:58:48.420 --> 02:58:50.700
about it. And since you've already been mining

02:58:50.700 --> 02:58:53.319
and they have that whole gas tank penalty kind

02:58:53.319 --> 02:58:57.479
of crap, if they're still full with MXC, there

02:58:57.479 --> 02:58:59.520
is a chance that someone might buy it for a little

02:58:59.520 --> 02:59:01.440
bit more than the retail value that you paid

02:59:01.440 --> 02:59:03.719
for it. So maybe consider going down that route,

02:59:03.799 --> 02:59:06.420
but be careful. Really work with the people in

02:59:06.420 --> 02:59:08.059
the Discord and make sure you don't get scammed.

02:59:10.979 --> 02:59:14.819
I mean, Chris, Jules, I'm going to have to run.

02:59:15.100 --> 02:59:17.100
Thank you very much, Joe, for having me on the

02:59:17.100 --> 02:59:19.579
show. I appreciate it, man. Had a great time

02:59:19.579 --> 02:59:23.899
tonight. Chris, man, it's good to see you. Jules,

02:59:23.899 --> 02:59:27.079
man, keep on keeping on down there, man. Always

02:59:27.079 --> 02:59:29.420
good to see your face. Thanks for coming on.

02:59:29.959 --> 02:59:34.440
You completed the first video of the year. I

02:59:34.440 --> 02:59:37.600
mean, you really made our night. Hey, good deal.

02:59:38.219 --> 02:59:39.899
Hey, I mean, it was awesome. Everyone enjoyed

02:59:39.899 --> 02:59:41.680
this. We're getting a lot of positive comments.

02:59:42.319 --> 02:59:44.180
Excited to have you back sometime. And like I

02:59:44.180 --> 02:59:46.840
said, if you ever want to show off your projects,

02:59:46.979 --> 02:59:49.600
let me know. We'll do it. I appreciate it. Take

02:59:49.600 --> 02:59:51.819
care, folks. Take it easy. Adios.