it's nice to finally get the chance to sit down
with you one -on -one got to meet you what was
it that's two weeks ago at this point at bitcoin
2025 that was fun yeah it was a lot of fun it's
just been honestly it's been crazy since um since
that there's been a lot of motion in the crypto
space and then we saw with trump and elon feuding
and like crypto all over the place but uh in
terms of what you do as far as i know i know
you have an X account and you have a YouTube
channel, but I'm interested to know like a little
bit more about that. Like, how did you get into
crypto? How did you get to where you are working
for the company that you're working for? And
on top of all that, like, what was your background
before crypto? So if you want to dive into that
a little bit. Oh, sure. So I, yeah, my name is
William. I'm 30. I turned 32 this 32 years old
this year. So I've been in crypto. since I was
27, I think, or 28. Yeah. I got in right around
like, I knew of Bitcoin and Ethereum back in
the day. I didn't really do anything with it,
but I got in right around like 2020. So, but
before that, I, what was it? I'm trying to think.
I'm like trying to go through my life now, like
the Rolodex of my life. It's tough, man. I know,
right? So I got out of high school. I moved out
to Tallahassee where I am now, Tallahassee, Florida
in 2014. I went to college, kind of screwed around
and just like worked a couple of full -time jobs.
Didn't really do anything really until around
2016, 2017, I would say. That's when I really
got into finance. So I got into trading. I downloaded
Robinhood. It became really popular. started
day trading for a while and of course that ended
up just about as as well as you think it would
uh terribly um did that for like three years
kept like really failing uh trying to figure
out how to like work this whole trading thing
um and then like around year four or five i really
figured it out and i started uh building a portfolio
so i i got pretty decent at it built a deep decent
portfolio um and then uh what is it 2020 happens
covet hits I quit my job. I go back to school
because at this point, I just got my bachelor's
degree in criminology. And I decided to go back
to school and get my master's, thinking that
this would upgrade my life somehow. I met a lot
of cool people. Overall, I wouldn't recommend
doing it. The networking was great. The stuff
I learned wasn't jaw -dropping. I could have
learned it online. But what it did allow for
me to do was really change my life. COVID allowed
me to turn my life around tremendously. One of
those things was I got into Twitch streaming.
I'm a really big gamer. I love video games. I've
been playing them since I was a child. The majority
of my life, I played lots and lots of video games.
What games did you primarily stream? I streamed
a lot of Call of Duty. I was really big into
first -person shooters. I still kind of am. I
did a lot of Warzone because that came out around
that time. I did lots of Warzone with some friends
of mine. It was a lot of fun. But I met a lot
of really cool people through Twitch. And two
of these people happen to be musicians. And their
names are Mella and Buck. And their boyfriend,
girlfriend, well, they're engaged now, getting
married soon. Awesome. Congrats to you, too.
But by then, they were just two musicians who
would stream their music. They would just play
live shows on Twitch. And I remember one day,
I was in their chat. I was in their stream. And
they had just got raided. And mind you, at this
point, I'm still trading here and there, but
I'm not really into crypto. I know what Bitcoin
is. I know what Ethereum is, but I didn't really
understand them. And so at this point in my life,
I was still just trading stocks and managing
a fully stock portfolio there. But at this point,
I was watching Mela and Buck do their usual nightly
stream, and they get raided by this gentleman
named Kobe. I don't know if you know who Kobe
is. He's a really big personality on Twitter.
um that sounds yeah he's kind of like a shit
poster on twitter uh but he's a very very large
account on twitter and he got really he was like
a really big ethereum bull back in the day and
made a lot of money on it interesting yeah so
he his whole pastime on twitch during this like
covid time was to uh basically raid random musicians
uh like twitch channels with his followers and
so my my friends had typically had like an audience
of 30 to 60 and um He raided and now they had
6 ,000 people watching them live. Wow. And yeah,
and they were freaking out. And what Kobe's audience
decided to do was get them to download MetaMask
because they're all into crypto. Wow. And so
I'm watching my friend download MetaMask. And
I have no idea what MetaMask is, mind you. I'm
like brand new. I just know of crypto. I don't
really know about crypto at this point in my
life. And all of a sudden, they get donated $250
,000 over the course of the stream. yeah live
on stream like my friends are crying and everyone's
like you know what's your wallet address i want
to send you money and people just sent them a
ton of tokens and so my friends like i got to
watch this live and it was so cool um and i was
like so bewildered and it was really magical
it was a magical moment for me because i was
like wow like so this is the power of crypto
i was like this is like like you can send capital
to people like instantaneously yeah And it just
like finally clicked for me and this light bulb
turned on. And I said, what is this crypto thing
I got to get in? And so I kind of, I downloaded
MetaMask. I got into the whole NFT craze. I met
a lot of different communities, tried to really
find my footing for about a year or two. Then
we had the crazy bear market and I had to really
reevaluate my priorities. And so I was like,
okay, well, do I want to keep doing this crypto
thing? Or do I want to like, is there like a
real use case for this stuff? And then all of
a sudden, I discovered dpins. I discovered real
-world assets. I discovered those two things.
And I was like, wait a minute. This makes a lot
of sense. This is a real use case for this technology.
And then I learned more about stablecoins, of
course. I learned more about just what makes
Bitcoin truly special and yada, yada, yada, and
so on and so forth. I really fell in love with
this part of the sector. I just became enthralled
with educating people about deepens and helping
them understand what this is. So that's pretty
much kind of where I started and how I got to
where I am now. Yeah, and currently what I do
is I try to make a bunch of educational content
about deepens, about tokenized assets. I try
to make educational content about finance as
well, investing. I do that on my YouTube and
TikTok primarily now. But I on my Twitter, I
make like edutainment videos, I call them about
deep ends and tokenized assets. That's pretty
much what I primarily do. And then on the side,
I run a deep end deployment business. So I have
helium hotspots deployed as well as some geonets.
And then I and then the third thing I do is a
spaces host for Wolf Financial. So I host Twitter
spaces with Wolf Financial. So that's pretty
much how I got to what, you know, in the crypto
where I started from and where I'm at now. So
I'm interested to hear more about Wolf Financial.
But one thing I thought was interesting that
you mentioned about Deepin and getting into Deepin,
I'm noticing that everyone in the crypto space
that is involved in Deepin, it's almost as if
we found it accidentally. It's different than
the traditional like finding Bitcoin. Although
most people that get into crypto get into it
by word of mouth. It's you saw firsthand experience
with your friends that got donated that large
amount of capital. And that kind of sent you
down this slippery slope of cryptocurrency. And
then on top of that, it's like Deepin is another
road on this journey that a lot of us have fallen
into, especially all the people probably watching
this. All the people that I interact with usually
on a daily basis, they're mostly Deepin people.
And it's this idea of finding a use case for
something that like, let's say I were to talk
to somebody that is so anti -crypto, you can
explain Deepin to them. For most people, they
actually understand it, which I really like about
that. It definitely is changing the landscape
of the whole thing. So I'm interested to hear
more about Wolf Financial because I didn't know
that you worked for them until I met you in Vegas.
So I'm curious how that whole thing went down.
Honestly, it was thanks to Deepens. So I became
kind of a voice in the Deepens space accidentally.
I didn't mean to be this person, I guess you
could say. I just felt there was a need, there
was this thing, there was this need inside of
me that I kind of, sorry, not inside of me, but
this need I saw in the market of education, of
understanding what this thing is. And there wasn't
anyone doing it. There wasn't a lot of people
making content about Deepens. Um, and so I was
like, wait a minute, like I need to start, you
know, shouting from the heavens what this thing
is. And so I got in a lot of Twitter spaces.
I kept talking about deepens there, uh, with
a lot of the crypto DJing crowd and they started
kind of understanding. Um, and because of Twitter
spaces, um, Wolf, uh, Wolf Financial found me,
um, when they were trying to build out their
Wolf crypto wing and they said, Hey, you know,
we, we have a couple of, uh, you know, deep end
clients or we're working with, we would love
it if you became a spaces host. They liked how
I handled myself on the stage. They liked how,
and I'm quoting them here, but they said that
they liked how joyous I was, knowledgeable and
professional simultaneously. They're like, hey,
you're just a degen enough to have fun, but you're
also someone who carries himself very professionally
and also knows what they're talking about. And
I was like, and they're like, well, that's really
rare to find, so we want to work with you. I
said, heck yeah. Yeah, here I am. I do two spaces
with them. I host the DABA network space every
Wednesday at 3 p .m. And then I host the Flux
space with them on Thursdays at 11 a .m. And
those are the two things I do now. So they just
found me through Twitter spaces like we wanted
to kind of get this thing going and figure out
what we could do with deep in Twitter spaces.
And here we are. Yeah, I think X has been a pivotal
platform for. deepen over these past couple of
months pretty much since elon bought it and introduced
spaces and all this stuff it is really shaped
into this it goes anywhere from being a complete
dgem platform to one of the most educational
tools out there like it's incredible um and the
fact that you're having these spaces that most
people probably haven't even heard about but
they are really educational and i would definitely
suggest you guys check them out is that Eastern
time, the times you're talking about? Yes, Eastern
time. Yep, Wednesday, 3 p .m. Eastern, Thursday,
11 a .m. Eastern. Okay. So I'm curious with working
with Wolf, would I call them Wolf Financial or
Wolf Crypto at this point? So Wolf Financial
is the parent company. And Wolf Financial, what
they primarily do is work with TradFi institutions.
They're like the number one marketing firm for
TradFi. So people who don't understand what TradFi
is, traditional finance is kind of like the short
acronym for it. So anything like institutions
who are IPO -ing on Wall Street and such, they'll
work with them. Or even ETF product offerings.
I know they have some spaces with YieldMax. I
don't know if you know what YieldMax is. Sounds
familiar, yep. Yeah, they have a lot of ETFs
on the market, like the Misty ETF. Yes. Yeah,
yeah, so they have all that. So they work with
them on spaces right now. So yeah, they're pretty
much the number one marketing firm for TradFi.
for a lot of the Wall Street institutions, which
is awesome. But they wanted to branch out into
more crypto stuff because they cover Bitcoin
on that channel, but they don't really cover
a lot of crypto stuff. And so they decided to
break up the Wolf brand into different sectors.
So they have Wolf Sports. They have Wolf Trading,
which focuses on trading a lot. And they have
live trading spaces. And they have Wolf Crypto,
which talks about pretty much everything Bitcoin,
DePen, tokenized assets, DeFi, you name it. Um,
and so that, that was the reasoning behind that
was to kind of, you know, give these new like
kind of subsidiary brands, uh, like their own
identity in a sense and split up audiences and
whatnot. Yeah. That's really nice trying to capture
the whole market there. Pretty much. Yeah. And
they're, they're really smart. Like I, I, I talked
with the CEO, uh, Gav, he's a really, really
smart dude, really savvy guy. The whole team
is just full of amazing people. So, um, one thing
I really like about Wolf is that they're just,
they're fun to work with. Like they're very,
they're light, they're easygoing. We jab at each
other. We're always joking around. But we're
also really smart. We're really driven. And so
we like to have that kind of fun environment.
But at the same time, everyone knows like, hey,
listen, we're going to get shit done this week.
It's like, let's go. Yeah, absolutely. That kind
of leads me into the next question, which is,
do you think that Wolf Financial has kind of
changed the way or shaped your view in the crypto
space? Yes and no. I think Wolf Financial itself
has given me a really cool or has given everyone
really a really cool microscope into a lot of
these trad fi institutions because I feel like.
A lot of traditional financial institutions,
you don't really know who's running the show.
You don't really get connected to founders. You
don't get connected to CEOs or executives, really,
because you don't know who they are. They're
not talking a lot on socials. And so what I like
that Wolf Financial does is they get these people
in the spotlight, like in the limelight, and
you can get to know them more, like the team
behind these companies. And that's the Wolf Financial
kind of effect, I call it right now. Because,
you know, in crypto, we're used to it. We're
used to knowing the founders. We're used to knowing.
We're used to talking to Mike Horton from GeoNet.
You know, we're used to talking to Amir from
Helium. And because they're always on socials,
they're kind of born here on Twitter. Whereas
TradFi is kind of like looking at Twitter and
saying, oh, that's neat. Like they weren't born
here, though. And so I think Wolf Financial is
really cool for kind of bringing them here into
the spotlight for us to talk about or talk to.
But in terms of kind of. my view on crypto not
necessarily um my view of crypto has evolved
over time with just the new information i've
received like throughout like just like anyone
else really like the more research i do the more
that happens in the space the more i start writing
off a lot of stuff like you know meme coins for
instance yeah they're fun i i wrote them off
a long time ago um nfts as well nfts i think
they have a place in in society i think they're
going to be used in different in certain technologies
but not the way we think they are. Because a
lot of these NFTs back in the day, they tried
to build a brand and building a brand is very
hard. Building a brand new IP is extremely hard.
And so, yeah, you get the Pudgy Penguins and
yeah, you get the Azukis, but I would say, one,
they worked really hard to do that. But two,
there is a luck factor in there that they really
took off and became their own IP and that's why
they're successful. Whereas 99 % of NFTs aren't
really anything anymore. And so that's, I don't
know, I would say my view of crypto has changed
with time more so than what Wolf has produced.
But I do like that Wolf Financial is changing
TradFi in a sense. Yeah, I agree. That is a very
good, they're kind of bridging the gap between
crypto and DeFi and everything with TradFi with
bringing those CEOs on. And it gives them more
of a, they might not even realize that how much
it's actually helping their company for like
the younger generation. This is how we function.
Like we like to see the face behind the company.
We don't like all these closed doors. And I think
just bringing them out, seeing what they're capable
of, it's definitely a step in the right direction.
And I also agree with what you were saying about
just time in the space has changed how you feel
about things. I completely agree with that. I
remember when I first got into things back in
2017, 2016, I was looking at. probably on maybe
coin telegraph or some site that might not even
be up right now basically like price estimations
like oh bitcoin's gonna hit 250 000 by 2025 litecoin's
gonna hit you know 10 000 and you you kind of
learn quickly once you're in this space that
a lot of these are a lot of these articles and
a lot of things that you see people posting is
mostly just clickbait um it's the same as you
would see with yep with youtube back when uh
clickbait was just huge uh in the early days
of youtube it's it's kind of found its way into
crypto and it's slowly uh disappearing but there's
definitely just a lot of content out there that's
just like fluff like it's not actually anything
educational and i feel like that's just that's
just the power of social media like you're gonna
have lots of people post things they don't understand
or don't know about or like like i see deep end
posts all the time that are like oh look i make
300 a week using grass and i'm like bro that's
a lie stop posting that like what are you talking
about possible yeah exactly and unless you have
like And grass is a whole situation. They're
like withholding their airdrops. But yeah, yeah,
exactly. We'll stay out of that for now. So you
got into crypto in early 2020. I'm curious to
know, are you willing to share one of your mistakes
that you made? Because I know I got quite a few
of them, but one of the biggest mistakes you
made and what did you learn from it? The biggest
mistake I made in crypto was believing. in uh
a lot of the hype around certain things um because
it was a fancy you know shiny new thing uh this
new technology and so when i heard of a new d5
protocol or of a new nft collection promising
you know xyz i would quickly jump on board and
go oh wow this is gonna be the next new thing
holy crap i'm so bullish without really asking
the counter arguments like i normally would Because
in stock trading, you get a lot of news coming
at you. And so what I would use to do is I would
decipher, okay, this company, they make X amount
of revenue. Or I would look at the charts and
say, okay, here's a reason I would trade it.
Here's a reason I wouldn't. But I threw that
out when I got into crypto because I got so excited
with the tech. And I was like, oh, look at this.
I discovered this cool thing that not a lot of
people know about. Oh my goodness, the opportunity
is huge. And so I would say, yeah, the biggest
mistake I made was rushing in without asking
questions, like honest questions and being honest
with myself, which when the bear market hit,
the 2021 bear market, 2022 bear market, it definitely
whooped my butt, let's just say. It made me sit
back and realize, oh, wait a minute. Maybe I
should be asking these questions. And I started
doing that. And that's when I discovered tokenized
assets and Deepin, which was great. But I feel
like everyone kind of falls on their face at
some point. And it's all about how you kind of
learn from it and get back up. And so I was thankful
enough to not leave the space and just kind of
reassess and reevaluate and come back to it with
actually stronger conviction than I had before.
100 % I agree. I think I had a very similar experience.
I got into a bunch of the EVMs when I guess it
was B &B became big and then Avalanche, Polygon,
Phantom. There was just a ton of them. And basically
I wanted to go on the exchanges like pancake
swap that was blown up and just kind of get on
an exchange from every single evm every single
coin and own a token from that uh decentralized
exchange or whatever you may call it uh a dex
and uh that was definitely a big mistake for
me uh 100 and i know it's tough for most people
to accept defeat and actually pick themselves
back up and i that i you know I think that's
one of the main reasons why we're still here.
I have friends that got the helium and they ended
up losing some money or they didn't sell when
helium was like $50 and they're upset about it
and they just kind of gave up on crypto. And
it sucks to see because if they would have stayed
in the space at the same time as I have, as long
as I have, they would have been in a much better
position. But you obviously can't see in the
future. So it's one of those things where you
just kind of live and learn. Well, yeah, they
can't see the forest from the trees. That's the
one thing I love about Deepin so much is that
when you truly understand it, or even Bitcoin,
when you truly get it, when you truly understand
why this tech is so fascinating, when you understand
money, and when you understand technology like
this, it really starts clicking. It's almost
like when... People make fun of stable coins.
People make fun of the fact that, oh, yeah, stable
coins, they're not so fantastical. But it is.
It really is one of the best products that crypto
has ever come up with outside of deep ends. Yeah,
especially with Circle IPO. Yeah, exactly, right?
And you're seeing the demand for it in real time
thanks to Circle IPO -ing and having an amazingly
successful IPO. And so stable coins inherit into
themselves are just fantastic vehicles for capital.
velocity. They make money better, essentially.
They make the US dollar more effective. And when
people understand that, they say, oh, wow, this
truly has a use case. And they look at everything
that it affects as opposed to just looking at
number go up, number go down. We could definitely
have a whole podcast episode on stable coins
because I know a lot of people would actually
be interested in hearing about why. I have friends
that are asking, why would I pick a stable coin
over just cash? And there's so many reasons I
can get into to explain it, but maybe we can
put a pin in that and save that for a future
episode if you like. I'd be more than happy to,
yeah. Awesome. So moving forward, just trying
to keep the ball rolling here, what trends or
shifts in the crypto space are you most excited
about right now? And I think I already know the
answer to that, but how do you see the industry
evolving in the next five to 10 years? I think
nobody would have expected... five years ago
to be where we are at today. So, I mean, give
me your bullish case and your bearish case. Bullish
case, I foresee in the next five to 10 years
that the industry is more legitimized. We see
a lot more institutions knowingly, publicly adopt
crypto. And they start touting. Crypto, essentially.
They start saying, oh, look at us. We have crypto
technology. We have blockchain technology. We
have quicker transactions. We have quicker settlement
times. We have cheaper transactions, cheaper
wire times, essentially. And that's where I start.
We're going to start seeing it in the banks.
We're going to start seeing it in traditional
finance. We're going to start seeing it everywhere,
essentially. It's going to become a part of everyday
life. It's going to be totally normal. Stablecoins
will become the de facto US dollar at that point.
And it's all going to be hunky -dory, right?
That's my bullish case. That's my hope, at least,
right? And I think that, obviously, bear case,
none of that happens. We have this meme coin
casino trend continue onward. And we see this
industry kind of, for lack of a better word,
just be taken lightly and looked at as a joke.
People will just look at us as a joke still and
say, oh, that's a casino. That's all scams, yada,
yada, yada. I think the right answer is somewhere
in the middle. I've said this before, but I think
we talked about it in Vegas, but I foresee crypto
and blockchain becoming more like JavaScript
than anything else. I think that it becomes an
everyday part of life, whereas people interact
with crypto every day, but they don't really
think about it because it's all in the background.
And they just say, oh, like, you know, I'm on
a website. I'm logging onto an app. I'm logging
onto a website. It's all powered by JavaScript
and React. But they don't think about it like
that. They don't say, oh, I'm going on my Google
Chrome, which is powered by this. Like they don't.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like you just want to use
an app that works right as a person. And so I
think is everyday retail people, everyday normal
person will interact with crypto on a daily basis
via stable coins or deep pins or something like
that. They won't even know it. It'll just become
a part of normal everyday life. Whereas you have
TradFi and finance as a whole, global finance
be changed by crypto for the better. Basically,
reducing inefficiencies, making transaction speeds
faster, settlement times quicker, cutting out
a lot of the middlemen that have plagued the
space quite a bit. I know that a lot of traditional
financial institutions I spoke with recently.
they were talking about how they're just excited
to be able to cut out a ton of the bureaucracy
and bloat. Whereas some of it's very necessary,
like they have stopgaps that are very necessary
that can stop horrible things from happening
or huge mistakes from happening. But when you
have 10 middlemen, it'd be nice to cut out five
of them, right? And save some money and time.
So that's kind of like my future outlook for
the space is that, you know, it's again, TradFi
is going to use it and tout it and they're going
to be like really public with it. Whereas retail
and just regular everyday people won't even know
they're interacting with it. Yeah, I agree. I
think that's where we're headed. And we've talked
about this quite a few times on episodes of stuff
that hasn't been released yet. But I totally
agree. And I think honestly, even your bearish
case is seeing it seems less and less likely
that that's actually going to happen because
you could I would arguably compare the. meme
coin phase right now to the nft phase and how
it kind of just went away after a little bit
and it's still around here and there but it definitely
doesn't have the impact that it does now that
it did back then um and i really hope that is
the case because i think meme coins that while
they are good they're fun it gets a lot of people
in the crypto that probably wouldn't be in it
before because it's kind of like gambling and
a lot of people like doing that it does have
a lot of a lot of downfalls it does hinder the
space it does make the the space seem less legitimate
so i I really hope that stuff kind of starts
to fade away. And I think we kind of hit the
peak of that. I haven't been seeing as many meme
coin stuff as I have probably in like January,
February, or maybe even November. But it's definitely
still very apparent. That's the nice thing about
our space is that we move so fast. Like we move
very, very fast. We go through cycles and we
say, oh, this works, this works, this works.
Oh, it doesn't work anymore. All right, move
on. Like, you know, it's just. That's one thing
I do appreciate about how fast we move compared
to the rest of the world. Because we just go
through it, man. We munch and eat a bunch of
information. And we sit on it for like a month.
And then obviously, as you know, a month in crypto
is like years, it feels like. Yes. Rapid acceleration.
Exactly. So it allows us to like test out new
ideas. And like if they're bad, they will quickly
fade. If they're good, they will last and stick
around. I think also the nice thing about crypto
is there is no. So I'm curious. Because now we're
starting to see a lot of people in DC lobbying
for crypto and trying to get all these bills
passed. What do you think some of the biggest
challenges facing the crypto industry are today?
And how do you see these challenges being overcome?
I guess you kind of already answered this with
the meme coins. But do you have anything else
that you think is worthy of mentioning? Yeah,
I think crypto still has a huge perception issue.
I know you, me and Brad discussed this about
that article. Yes. Recent article. And so it's
super accurate. There's a huge perception issue
still. Whereas we're not seen as legitimate.
And so when you are operating a crypto business,
it's really hard to get customers or do business
with other people who aren't in crypto because
they don't understand it. And they're very scared
about what they don't understand. People are
fearful of what they don't understand. And so,
you know, as a deep end employer, you, me and
Brad and Tyler and everyone else, suburban crypto
and such, we all we have to go and talk to regular
everyday people all the time. And it's really
hard when you bring up the token, when the token
talk finally comes up, I call it the token talk,
you know, like, Oh, the birds and the bees, uh,
the token. Yeah. The token talk comes up and
then they start saying, wait, token, what do
you mean token? And they get like kind of confused.
They just shut down. Yeah, exactly. And so it's,
it's, it's, there's a huge, huge disconnect with
the value that like, especially we in deep ends
are offering like the value play and, and kind
of this infrastructure we're building out, um,
and what crypto is. And so I think. down the
road, that roadblock hopefully becomes a bit
less of a hurdle after we start separating Deepin
from crypto, what crypto is known as, or the
entire perception issue of crypto starts fading
or starts changing to be more positive. So I
think that's the biggest hurdle we're facing
right now. Regulation -wise, I mean, we're looking
good. This current administration is very favorable.
We have several bills in the works that I hope
pass. We're seeing strategic reserves for Bitcoin
pass left and right. And so I feel like everything's
looking up on that front. And institutions are
finally in. They understand. The permanent bid
for Bitcoin has been established by BlackRock
and all these other companies. So Bitcoin below
$60 ,000 is probably never going to happen again
because of them. Yeah, it's crazy that that is
a sentence that can be said. Yeah, exactly right.
And it's wild to think about. But yeah, we have
the institutions on board. We have the government
on board. We just don't have the people on board.
And so the rest of culture, the rest of society
that is just so against this technology still
because they're very scared of it. They don't
understand it. And honestly, I think that stems
from a lack of understanding of finance and understanding
of money. and and velocity of money and and global
liquidity and global access to money and sending
funds abroad and and yeah and like people yeah
people don't understand all that stuff and so
they're very scared of that because they just
think of money as oh it's in my bank account
i earn a paycheck every two weeks you know and
yeah it's you can't tell them hey you can own
your own money like you can own your own finances
in a crypto wallet you don't have to have a bank
anymore and yeah and yeah these people a lot
of these people don't even know how to pay their
own credit card Exactly. So how are you going
to tell them how to use a blockchain or how to
like, you know, that crypto is good for them
when they can't pay off their own credit cards
and they're drowning in a ton of debt. Right.
So I think that I think there's a huge perception
issue because people have a lack of understanding
of money, finance, et cetera. But also just,
you know, like that kind of leads in the crypto,
of course. So that's the hurdle I think we have
to get over is the perception issue. Yeah, definitely.
And I think honestly, in general, just I would
hope. That the United States, but obviously the
whole world, they just need to kind of like understand
finance a little bit better. I mean, it runs
the world. It surprises me how many people I
talk to about finances and stuff, especially
in my industry, you know, being an accountant
and everything. They just don't understand finance.
And I don't go around saying like I'm this financial
guru. I'm by no means, you know. intelligent
in stocks and everything but i definitely dabble
in the crypto space with my channel with this
podcast and everything and it's it's still just
like it's frightening kind of to see these people
that just don't really care about finances like
they'll keep their money in a checking account
that doesn't even earn interest and with the
inflation rates the way they are right now you're
rapidly losing money or they'll keep it in a
savings account that has like 0 .1 % interest.
And I just, I talked to them. I'm like, what
are you doing? So it's, that stems from like
a lack of, so again, it's a, it's a perception
issue, but it's also, it's a lack of understanding
of money. Like we talked about, but the second
part, and I feel very strongly about this because
I've lived amongst a lot of these people, my
whole life. Like I come from a very, I would
say my childhood was not the greatest. I come
from a very, you know, I would say poor background
initially. And I grew up around a lot of these
people. And I still am friends with a lot of
these people. And a lot of it stems from hopelessness.
It is a, one, you don't understand money. And
two, you're not incentivized to because you're
just so, you're drowning in despair. Like you
are poor. There's no way out. You don't see a
way out. And so what do you do? You distract
yourself with entertainment and drugs and whatnot.
And just like going out and just like, you know,
trying to keep yourself, your mind occupied long
enough. to just make it to like the end of your
life. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it is just,
you know, it is, it's, it sucks to see because
I try to educate these people constantly and
they don't care. They, they just do not. They
are so despondent that they don't see a way out.
And like, I saw Alex Finn's tweet recently about
like, Oh, if you don't learn AI skills, you're
going to get left behind. And I said, Alex, good
luck, you know, teaching AI to the South Georgia,
you know, uh blue collar worker and he's like
well what do you mean i'm like dude they don't
care about this stuff they don't trust it they
don't they don't trust any of this like they
are they they literally they want to go have
beers with the boys on friday night and they
want to drive their tractors throughout the week
and they just want to like hang out with their
boys and like that and they want to work outside
and they don't want to do anything else and he's
like well it doesn't make any sense and i'm like
well no of course it does like you have to live
with these people to understand them like you
it makes so much sense it's the culture they're
ingrained in They think everything's a scam,
it's all a cult, or it's all a conspiracy, and
they're just going to sit there and do that.
They're going to sit there and blame it on the
government and the world as opposed to learning
the stuff themselves because that's just who
they are, unfortunately. It sucks to see, certainly.
Yeah, especially with people that you love and
care about. Crypto aside, just like finances
in general, um me being as young as young as
i am uh even though i am getting older every
day you're 14 right no but i mean i i started
this space uh i started in this space when i
was 17 and now i'm 25 so it's been crazy quite
a lot yeah i know it's such a baby quite a long
journey and have your knees started hurting yet
uh yeah actually i think i might have tore my
a ligament in my leg, but that was for athletic
reasons. I never really got it checked out. It
definitely hurts when I sit on planes and whatnot.
So let's shift to a positive note because I kind
of got a little dark there for a second. I'm
curious to know with Wolf Crypto, Wolf Financial,
or just you, is there anything new or exciting
that you are working on that you'd like to share?
Yeah, I mean, me personally, I have been cranking
out a bunch of new kind of options trading content
as well as some Bitcoin and crypto content on
TikTok as well as YouTube. Started cranking out
shorts just because I figured, why not? I'm already
making video content for Twitter and started
cranking out those. And those seem to be doing
fairly well, picking up traction. Again, I like
educating people, giving them pointers and tips.
Um, so that's been nice on Twitter, on the Twitter
front, I've been pushing out more and more content
around deep ends again, just consistently trying
to entertain and educate on there. Um, and so
I, yeah, I've just been doing lots of stuff there.
More and more videos are coming out on my YouTube
and my, my TikTok, not my TikTok, sorry, my,
uh, my Twitter this week and next, as well as,
you know, hopefully, you know, far into the future,
trying to stay very, very consistent on that.
Yeah, I have several more ambassadorships I just
signed on with. So I'm an ambassador, a brand
ambassador for several companies as well. So
I'm a brand ambassador for Ado, Daba Network,
Peak, a number of deep ends besides the Wolf
Spaces hosting. On the Wolf front, we might be
getting a, I can't say too much, but there might
be a show coming out soon revolving around crypto
that I may be hosting. I may be hosting. the
spaces show. Yeah. The spaces for, for crypto,
I guess. I don't know all the details. We're,
we're talking to several clients right now. Yeah.
Um, but I may be hosting some, some form of a
show in the near future. Well, that is very exciting.
I actually have a question. This is kind of like
maybe the last one on my list, but I'll pivot
back because I just remembered when we were in
Vegas and you were talking, uh, you were talking
to Brad deep in connection. Um, you just started
talking about all of these projects, even with
your friend Andy, that I have never heard about.
And they're Deepin projects. So I'm curious to
know, where do you find this information? How
do you stay informed and up to date with all
of these Deepin projects? And aside from Deepin,
how do you stay up to date with crypto in general?
I know for me, like X is my primary source, but
even so, like, is it certain people that you
follow or is there certain websites? I'm curious
to know. Yeah, so when it comes to broader market
moves, as well as Bitcoin specifically, I get
a lot of my news from Watcher Guru on Twitter,
as well as a handful of other accounts. There's
like, I think his name is, oh my goodness, what
is it? It's a DB, might be DB. I follow him for
just like active updates on the market and Bitcoin.
What else? For more D -Pen specific stuff, though,
I usually just get a lot of my news from the
space. So I host these weekly spaces with Wolf,
and I'll try to invite a lot of new projects
and a lot of new people on consistently. And
what that does is a couple of things. One, it
allows for different perspectives to come into
the conversation. So when we have a really interesting
topic that week. Or maybe we're talking about
some current events. It's nice to have some fresh
perspectives on the space. Two, it allows for
networking. So now these D -pins who might have
not talked to each other before can network on
the space, get to know each other. And maybe
they'll follow up with each other in the DMs
and maybe they'll collab or something. And it's
really cool. And then three, I also get a lot
of news. I get to learn about these D -pins live,
kind of like from the horse's mouth in a sense.
And it's really cool because now I get to have
them explain their project. Maybe they'll weave
it into an answer of sorts. And then I can follow
up on them later and DM them and say, hey, I
want to learn more about your stuff. Or I can
just click on their profile and kind of scroll
through. So a lot of it is manual. A lot of it
is, you know, kind of hearsay on the spaces.
But the majority of my news is networking. Just
from everyone I talk to, you know, deep in connection.
unleashing deep in Andy, all these guys, I just,
I constantly follow their feeds and I'm constantly,
you know, looking to see what they're talking
about. And, you know, I follow a lot of major
deep in accounts too. They'll make a lot of announcements
and whatnot. So a majority is on Twitter. Um,
just following those specific deep in accounts.
Like if you just type in deep in on the search
bar, you can literally find so many people, um,
to fall. So I recommend doing that. um yeah i
mean that's that's pretty much what i do to get
my deep end news is just do that yeah i'm kind
of a bot on x i i don't know how to use it very
well you definitely taught me how to make better
posts and since then like stuff has been absolutely
blowing up i got one of my uh posts retweeted
by tyler winklevoss which was pretty insane oh
really yeah um it was a gemini post um and it
got uh let's see how many views it got i got
40 No, sorry. It got 26 ,000 views because he
retweeted. Dude, that's awesome. Yes, it was
very awesome. Happy to help you out. Heck yeah,
dude. I'm curious. Do you know how to use the
on the home screen of X? Somebody added me to
a it's kind of like a folder and they added a
bunch of. deep in projects or mining projects
to this and then it's on it's on my home screen
it's like one of the tabs i can pick i think
that would be honestly be like a really good
idea if you haven't done it yet maybe we could
we could build something like that and share
it with people because i think that would be
very helpful for the space i don't know if you
know what i'm talking about like an aggregator
of sorts like uh i guess so yeah you should check
out tyler just built deep in pulse um so unleashing
deep in just came up with this thing called deep
in pulse Um, it is like a, they're still working
on it right now. Um, you can, it's publicly available
though. You can access the website. Um, and you
can look at like deep end earnings on there.
They're, they've incorporated deep end Ninja
into it. So they'll have all the revenue and
earnings for every deep end project listed on
there. Uh, but it also be a place for news and
updates and everything. Interesting. That kind
of sounds like my website, but okay. I mean,
there's, there's, there's been a lot of them
popping up, you know, deep in ninjas been around
for a bit, but like, no, your site sounds awesome
too. So like I would check out, you know, I would
say, I would say you should talk to Tyler and
look for, you know, possible means of co -labbing.
That'd be pretty. Yeah, that'd be great. Well,
uh, we can talk a little bit more about this
after. Wow. Yeah. They got a really nice site.
So, yeah. All right. Maybe I'll have to reach
out to them. He's blown away, everyone. He's
blown away by the sight. Yeah. So I really appreciate
you taking the time to sit down with me and talk
about this deep in space and just get to learn
a little bit more about you. Because honestly,
when I met you in Vegas, I was like, I think
I know you, but I don't. I'm not sure. So it's
really nice to know. Yes. It really has been
nice to get to know you over the past two weeks,
and I'm excited to continue. I guess I don't
know. Are we friends at this point? I think so,
Chris. I think so. You know, I like to jab at
my friends. I've been jamming at you a lot. So
I think we are. Oh, I can take it. It's fine.
Yeah. So I'll definitely put all your socials
in the description below. Is there anything else
you'd like to say before we wrap this up? Nothing
crazy. If you are someone who's curious about
dipping your toe in and understanding this technology,
by all means, follow Chris here and follow a
lot of other people in the space. There's just
so many smart, smart people in here. If someone
is shilling extra hard, be wary. If someone's
just talking about tokens left and right, be
wary. But just because you're wary, I wouldn't
say... don't completely shut it down. Go in there,
do your own research, check it out. And yeah,
if you are in the space already, just keep building,
man. Just keep going out there. Keep talking
to your friends, your family, your neighbors,
your community. Talk to your legislators because
a lot of people still don't understand this stuff.
And you'd be amazed, man. I talked to the Florida
Senate recently, like a lot of the legislators
of the Florida Capitol here. And all of them,
pretty much most of them, had no idea about crypto
or anything like that. They don't understand
it at all. And they're making rules about this
stuff. So it really helps to just go out there
and be a go -getter and just talk to your local
legislators, talk to your community, educate
them, and then get involved. It's an exciting
time, man. All right. Well, thank you so much
for listening, everybody. I'll see you all in
the next episode. Peace out.