WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.279 it's nice to finally get the chance to sit down 00:00:02.279 --> 00:00:04.799 with you one -on -one got to meet you what was 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.000 it that's two weeks ago at this point at bitcoin 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.500 2025 that was fun yeah it was a lot of fun it's 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:14.939 just been honestly it's been crazy since um since 00:00:14.939 --> 00:00:17.559 that there's been a lot of motion in the crypto 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:21.940 space and then we saw with trump and elon feuding 00:00:21.940 --> 00:00:25.100 and like crypto all over the place but uh in 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:27.280 terms of what you do as far as i know i know 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:29.800 you have an X account and you have a YouTube 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.460 channel, but I'm interested to know like a little 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:34.439 bit more about that. Like, how did you get into 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.960 crypto? How did you get to where you are working 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.859 for the company that you're working for? And 00:00:39.859 --> 00:00:42.020 on top of all that, like, what was your background 00:00:42.020 --> 00:00:44.200 before crypto? So if you want to dive into that 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:48.179 a little bit. Oh, sure. So I, yeah, my name is 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:51.520 William. I'm 30. I turned 32 this 32 years old 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:54.990 this year. So I've been in crypto. since I was 00:00:54.990 --> 00:01:01.450 27, I think, or 28. Yeah. I got in right around 00:01:01.450 --> 00:01:04.310 like, I knew of Bitcoin and Ethereum back in 00:01:04.310 --> 00:01:05.549 the day. I didn't really do anything with it, 00:01:05.609 --> 00:01:07.790 but I got in right around like 2020. So, but 00:01:07.790 --> 00:01:12.209 before that, I, what was it? I'm trying to think. 00:01:12.269 --> 00:01:13.609 I'm like trying to go through my life now, like 00:01:13.609 --> 00:01:17.439 the Rolodex of my life. It's tough, man. I know, 00:01:17.540 --> 00:01:20.140 right? So I got out of high school. I moved out 00:01:20.140 --> 00:01:22.140 to Tallahassee where I am now, Tallahassee, Florida 00:01:22.140 --> 00:01:26.459 in 2014. I went to college, kind of screwed around 00:01:26.459 --> 00:01:28.700 and just like worked a couple of full -time jobs. 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.219 Didn't really do anything really until around 00:01:32.219 --> 00:01:36.840 2016, 2017, I would say. That's when I really 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.560 got into finance. So I got into trading. I downloaded 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:44.430 Robinhood. It became really popular. started 00:01:44.430 --> 00:01:47.409 day trading for a while and of course that ended 00:01:47.409 --> 00:01:49.230 up just about as as well as you think it would 00:01:49.230 --> 00:01:52.230 uh terribly um did that for like three years 00:01:52.230 --> 00:01:54.430 kept like really failing uh trying to figure 00:01:54.430 --> 00:01:57.030 out how to like work this whole trading thing 00:01:57.030 --> 00:01:59.890 um and then like around year four or five i really 00:01:59.890 --> 00:02:02.969 figured it out and i started uh building a portfolio 00:02:02.969 --> 00:02:06.569 so i i got pretty decent at it built a deep decent 00:02:06.569 --> 00:02:10.449 portfolio um and then uh what is it 2020 happens 00:02:10.449 --> 00:02:13.629 covet hits I quit my job. I go back to school 00:02:13.629 --> 00:02:15.349 because at this point, I just got my bachelor's 00:02:15.349 --> 00:02:18.689 degree in criminology. And I decided to go back 00:02:18.689 --> 00:02:21.210 to school and get my master's, thinking that 00:02:21.210 --> 00:02:23.729 this would upgrade my life somehow. I met a lot 00:02:23.729 --> 00:02:26.050 of cool people. Overall, I wouldn't recommend 00:02:26.050 --> 00:02:29.590 doing it. The networking was great. The stuff 00:02:29.590 --> 00:02:32.629 I learned wasn't jaw -dropping. I could have 00:02:32.629 --> 00:02:35.490 learned it online. But what it did allow for 00:02:35.490 --> 00:02:37.770 me to do was really change my life. COVID allowed 00:02:37.770 --> 00:02:40.810 me to turn my life around tremendously. One of 00:02:40.810 --> 00:02:42.789 those things was I got into Twitch streaming. 00:02:43.930 --> 00:02:47.370 I'm a really big gamer. I love video games. I've 00:02:47.370 --> 00:02:50.590 been playing them since I was a child. The majority 00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:52.590 of my life, I played lots and lots of video games. 00:02:52.949 --> 00:02:56.689 What games did you primarily stream? I streamed 00:02:56.689 --> 00:02:58.270 a lot of Call of Duty. I was really big into 00:02:58.270 --> 00:03:00.409 first -person shooters. I still kind of am. I 00:03:00.409 --> 00:03:02.490 did a lot of Warzone because that came out around 00:03:02.490 --> 00:03:04.669 that time. I did lots of Warzone with some friends 00:03:04.669 --> 00:03:07.629 of mine. It was a lot of fun. But I met a lot 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:10.349 of really cool people through Twitch. And two 00:03:10.349 --> 00:03:14.050 of these people happen to be musicians. And their 00:03:14.050 --> 00:03:17.169 names are Mella and Buck. And their boyfriend, 00:03:17.270 --> 00:03:18.889 girlfriend, well, they're engaged now, getting 00:03:18.889 --> 00:03:20.669 married soon. Awesome. Congrats to you, too. 00:03:21.370 --> 00:03:23.930 But by then, they were just two musicians who 00:03:23.930 --> 00:03:25.870 would stream their music. They would just play 00:03:25.870 --> 00:03:29.849 live shows on Twitch. And I remember one day, 00:03:29.889 --> 00:03:33.330 I was in their chat. I was in their stream. And 00:03:33.330 --> 00:03:36.979 they had just got raided. And mind you, at this 00:03:36.979 --> 00:03:38.780 point, I'm still trading here and there, but 00:03:38.780 --> 00:03:41.439 I'm not really into crypto. I know what Bitcoin 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:43.120 is. I know what Ethereum is, but I didn't really 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:45.500 understand them. And so at this point in my life, 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.379 I was still just trading stocks and managing 00:03:47.379 --> 00:03:53.500 a fully stock portfolio there. But at this point, 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.259 I was watching Mela and Buck do their usual nightly 00:03:56.259 --> 00:03:58.360 stream, and they get raided by this gentleman 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.939 named Kobe. I don't know if you know who Kobe 00:04:00.939 --> 00:04:03.159 is. He's a really big personality on Twitter. 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.360 um that sounds yeah he's kind of like a shit 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.080 poster on twitter uh but he's a very very large 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.039 account on twitter and he got really he was like 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:12.860 a really big ethereum bull back in the day and 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:14.879 made a lot of money on it interesting yeah so 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.600 he his whole pastime on twitch during this like 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:22.819 covid time was to uh basically raid random musicians 00:04:22.819 --> 00:04:25.879 uh like twitch channels with his followers and 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.720 so my my friends had typically had like an audience 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:32.540 of 30 to 60 and um He raided and now they had 00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:35.680 6 ,000 people watching them live. Wow. And yeah, 00:04:35.779 --> 00:04:38.300 and they were freaking out. And what Kobe's audience 00:04:38.300 --> 00:04:40.779 decided to do was get them to download MetaMask 00:04:40.779 --> 00:04:42.939 because they're all into crypto. Wow. And so 00:04:42.939 --> 00:04:45.579 I'm watching my friend download MetaMask. And 00:04:45.579 --> 00:04:47.240 I have no idea what MetaMask is, mind you. I'm 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:50.040 like brand new. I just know of crypto. I don't 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.100 really know about crypto at this point in my 00:04:52.100 --> 00:04:55.899 life. And all of a sudden, they get donated $250 00:04:55.899 --> 00:05:00.079 ,000 over the course of the stream. yeah live 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.199 on stream like my friends are crying and everyone's 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:04.680 like you know what's your wallet address i want 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.920 to send you money and people just sent them a 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.519 ton of tokens and so my friends like i got to 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.420 watch this live and it was so cool um and i was 00:05:14.420 --> 00:05:17.339 like so bewildered and it was really magical 00:05:17.339 --> 00:05:18.699 it was a magical moment for me because i was 00:05:18.699 --> 00:05:20.399 like wow like so this is the power of crypto 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.300 i was like this is like like you can send capital 00:05:23.300 --> 00:05:26.040 to people like instantaneously yeah And it just 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:27.819 like finally clicked for me and this light bulb 00:05:27.819 --> 00:05:29.639 turned on. And I said, what is this crypto thing 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.819 I got to get in? And so I kind of, I downloaded 00:05:32.819 --> 00:05:35.160 MetaMask. I got into the whole NFT craze. I met 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.180 a lot of different communities, tried to really 00:05:37.180 --> 00:05:40.000 find my footing for about a year or two. Then 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.360 we had the crazy bear market and I had to really 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.600 reevaluate my priorities. And so I was like, 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:47.379 okay, well, do I want to keep doing this crypto 00:05:47.379 --> 00:05:50.120 thing? Or do I want to like, is there like a 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.129 real use case for this stuff? And then all of 00:05:53.129 --> 00:05:55.930 a sudden, I discovered dpins. I discovered real 00:05:55.930 --> 00:05:57.709 -world assets. I discovered those two things. 00:05:57.970 --> 00:06:01.110 And I was like, wait a minute. This makes a lot 00:06:01.110 --> 00:06:03.709 of sense. This is a real use case for this technology. 00:06:05.129 --> 00:06:07.149 And then I learned more about stablecoins, of 00:06:07.149 --> 00:06:09.930 course. I learned more about just what makes 00:06:09.930 --> 00:06:12.009 Bitcoin truly special and yada, yada, yada, and 00:06:12.009 --> 00:06:15.459 so on and so forth. I really fell in love with 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:17.759 this part of the sector. I just became enthralled 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:20.540 with educating people about deepens and helping 00:06:20.540 --> 00:06:22.879 them understand what this is. So that's pretty 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.639 much kind of where I started and how I got to 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.139 where I am now. Yeah, and currently what I do 00:06:29.139 --> 00:06:31.360 is I try to make a bunch of educational content 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.120 about deepens, about tokenized assets. I try 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.100 to make educational content about finance as 00:06:37.100 --> 00:06:39.579 well, investing. I do that on my YouTube and 00:06:39.579 --> 00:06:43.339 TikTok primarily now. But I on my Twitter, I 00:06:43.339 --> 00:06:46.060 make like edutainment videos, I call them about 00:06:46.060 --> 00:06:48.199 deep ends and tokenized assets. That's pretty 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.019 much what I primarily do. And then on the side, 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:52.800 I run a deep end deployment business. So I have 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.800 helium hotspots deployed as well as some geonets. 00:06:56.300 --> 00:06:58.879 And then I and then the third thing I do is a 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.360 spaces host for Wolf Financial. So I host Twitter 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.220 spaces with Wolf Financial. So that's pretty 00:07:03.220 --> 00:07:05.560 much how I got to what, you know, in the crypto 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.060 where I started from and where I'm at now. So 00:07:08.060 --> 00:07:10.060 I'm interested to hear more about Wolf Financial. 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.379 But one thing I thought was interesting that 00:07:12.379 --> 00:07:14.420 you mentioned about Deepin and getting into Deepin, 00:07:14.459 --> 00:07:17.399 I'm noticing that everyone in the crypto space 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.420 that is involved in Deepin, it's almost as if 00:07:20.420 --> 00:07:23.879 we found it accidentally. It's different than 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.160 the traditional like finding Bitcoin. Although 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.879 most people that get into crypto get into it 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.160 by word of mouth. It's you saw firsthand experience 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.680 with your friends that got donated that large 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.420 amount of capital. And that kind of sent you 00:07:37.420 --> 00:07:39.939 down this slippery slope of cryptocurrency. And 00:07:39.939 --> 00:07:42.379 then on top of that, it's like Deepin is another 00:07:42.379 --> 00:07:46.160 road on this journey that a lot of us have fallen 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.560 into, especially all the people probably watching 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.939 this. All the people that I interact with usually 00:07:51.939 --> 00:07:53.779 on a daily basis, they're mostly Deepin people. 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:59.300 And it's this idea of finding a use case for 00:07:59.300 --> 00:08:01.800 something that like, let's say I were to talk 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:04.259 to somebody that is so anti -crypto, you can 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:07.069 explain Deepin to them. For most people, they 00:08:07.069 --> 00:08:09.189 actually understand it, which I really like about 00:08:09.189 --> 00:08:11.750 that. It definitely is changing the landscape 00:08:11.750 --> 00:08:14.730 of the whole thing. So I'm interested to hear 00:08:14.730 --> 00:08:18.449 more about Wolf Financial because I didn't know 00:08:18.449 --> 00:08:21.129 that you worked for them until I met you in Vegas. 00:08:21.170 --> 00:08:23.730 So I'm curious how that whole thing went down. 00:08:24.089 --> 00:08:27.170 Honestly, it was thanks to Deepens. So I became 00:08:27.170 --> 00:08:29.870 kind of a voice in the Deepens space accidentally. 00:08:29.930 --> 00:08:33.250 I didn't mean to be this person, I guess you 00:08:33.250 --> 00:08:35.990 could say. I just felt there was a need, there 00:08:35.990 --> 00:08:38.990 was this thing, there was this need inside of 00:08:38.990 --> 00:08:42.250 me that I kind of, sorry, not inside of me, but 00:08:42.250 --> 00:08:45.429 this need I saw in the market of education, of 00:08:45.429 --> 00:08:48.529 understanding what this thing is. And there wasn't 00:08:48.529 --> 00:08:50.350 anyone doing it. There wasn't a lot of people 00:08:50.350 --> 00:08:53.240 making content about Deepens. Um, and so I was 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:55.000 like, wait a minute, like I need to start, you 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.700 know, shouting from the heavens what this thing 00:08:56.700 --> 00:08:58.179 is. And so I got in a lot of Twitter spaces. 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:00.919 I kept talking about deepens there, uh, with 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:02.919 a lot of the crypto DJing crowd and they started 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.340 kind of understanding. Um, and because of Twitter 00:09:05.340 --> 00:09:08.639 spaces, um, Wolf, uh, Wolf Financial found me, 00:09:08.659 --> 00:09:10.000 um, when they were trying to build out their 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.799 Wolf crypto wing and they said, Hey, you know, 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:15.039 we, we have a couple of, uh, you know, deep end 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:16.960 clients or we're working with, we would love 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.809 it if you became a spaces host. They liked how 00:09:19.809 --> 00:09:22.429 I handled myself on the stage. They liked how, 00:09:22.509 --> 00:09:25.090 and I'm quoting them here, but they said that 00:09:25.090 --> 00:09:28.370 they liked how joyous I was, knowledgeable and 00:09:28.370 --> 00:09:30.289 professional simultaneously. They're like, hey, 00:09:30.370 --> 00:09:34.289 you're just a degen enough to have fun, but you're 00:09:34.289 --> 00:09:37.769 also someone who carries himself very professionally 00:09:37.769 --> 00:09:40.649 and also knows what they're talking about. And 00:09:40.649 --> 00:09:41.830 I was like, and they're like, well, that's really 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:43.490 rare to find, so we want to work with you. I 00:09:43.490 --> 00:09:46.720 said, heck yeah. Yeah, here I am. I do two spaces 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.259 with them. I host the DABA network space every 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:52.840 Wednesday at 3 p .m. And then I host the Flux 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.720 space with them on Thursdays at 11 a .m. And 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.639 those are the two things I do now. So they just 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:00.480 found me through Twitter spaces like we wanted 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:02.139 to kind of get this thing going and figure out 00:10:02.139 --> 00:10:03.919 what we could do with deep in Twitter spaces. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:08.519 And here we are. Yeah, I think X has been a pivotal 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:12.460 platform for. deepen over these past couple of 00:10:12.460 --> 00:10:15.100 months pretty much since elon bought it and introduced 00:10:15.100 --> 00:10:17.519 spaces and all this stuff it is really shaped 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.419 into this it goes anywhere from being a complete 00:10:20.419 --> 00:10:22.840 dgem platform to one of the most educational 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:27.220 tools out there like it's incredible um and the 00:10:27.220 --> 00:10:29.799 fact that you're having these spaces that most 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:31.940 people probably haven't even heard about but 00:10:31.940 --> 00:10:35.539 they are really educational and i would definitely 00:10:35.539 --> 00:10:37.700 suggest you guys check them out is that Eastern 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:40.679 time, the times you're talking about? Yes, Eastern 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.379 time. Yep, Wednesday, 3 p .m. Eastern, Thursday, 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.879 11 a .m. Eastern. Okay. So I'm curious with working 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:49.639 with Wolf, would I call them Wolf Financial or 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:52.200 Wolf Crypto at this point? So Wolf Financial 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.340 is the parent company. And Wolf Financial, what 00:10:55.340 --> 00:10:57.799 they primarily do is work with TradFi institutions. 00:10:58.100 --> 00:11:00.320 They're like the number one marketing firm for 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.500 TradFi. So people who don't understand what TradFi 00:11:03.500 --> 00:11:05.919 is, traditional finance is kind of like the short 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:08.860 acronym for it. So anything like institutions 00:11:08.860 --> 00:11:12.080 who are IPO -ing on Wall Street and such, they'll 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:16.059 work with them. Or even ETF product offerings. 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.659 I know they have some spaces with YieldMax. I 00:11:18.659 --> 00:11:20.480 don't know if you know what YieldMax is. Sounds 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:22.980 familiar, yep. Yeah, they have a lot of ETFs 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:26.480 on the market, like the Misty ETF. Yes. Yeah, 00:11:26.500 --> 00:11:28.860 yeah, so they have all that. So they work with 00:11:28.860 --> 00:11:30.659 them on spaces right now. So yeah, they're pretty 00:11:30.659 --> 00:11:33.220 much the number one marketing firm for TradFi. 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.159 for a lot of the Wall Street institutions, which 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:37.779 is awesome. But they wanted to branch out into 00:11:37.779 --> 00:11:39.379 more crypto stuff because they cover Bitcoin 00:11:39.379 --> 00:11:40.799 on that channel, but they don't really cover 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.100 a lot of crypto stuff. And so they decided to 00:11:43.100 --> 00:11:45.539 break up the Wolf brand into different sectors. 00:11:46.100 --> 00:11:49.440 So they have Wolf Sports. They have Wolf Trading, 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:51.639 which focuses on trading a lot. And they have 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.700 live trading spaces. And they have Wolf Crypto, 00:11:54.700 --> 00:11:56.820 which talks about pretty much everything Bitcoin, 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.519 DePen, tokenized assets, DeFi, you name it. Um, 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.539 and so that, that was the reasoning behind that 00:12:03.539 --> 00:12:05.960 was to kind of, you know, give these new like 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.659 kind of subsidiary brands, uh, like their own 00:12:08.659 --> 00:12:10.620 identity in a sense and split up audiences and 00:12:10.620 --> 00:12:12.500 whatnot. Yeah. That's really nice trying to capture 00:12:12.500 --> 00:12:14.440 the whole market there. Pretty much. Yeah. And 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.799 they're, they're really smart. Like I, I, I talked 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.659 with the CEO, uh, Gav, he's a really, really 00:12:19.659 --> 00:12:21.620 smart dude, really savvy guy. The whole team 00:12:21.620 --> 00:12:24.179 is just full of amazing people. So, um, one thing 00:12:24.179 --> 00:12:26.000 I really like about Wolf is that they're just, 00:12:26.019 --> 00:12:27.919 they're fun to work with. Like they're very, 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.519 they're light, they're easygoing. We jab at each 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.019 other. We're always joking around. But we're 00:12:33.019 --> 00:12:35.240 also really smart. We're really driven. And so 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.320 we like to have that kind of fun environment. 00:12:39.419 --> 00:12:41.000 But at the same time, everyone knows like, hey, 00:12:41.019 --> 00:12:43.240 listen, we're going to get shit done this week. 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.539 It's like, let's go. Yeah, absolutely. That kind 00:12:46.539 --> 00:12:48.460 of leads me into the next question, which is, 00:12:48.500 --> 00:12:51.539 do you think that Wolf Financial has kind of 00:12:51.539 --> 00:12:54.279 changed the way or shaped your view in the crypto 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.429 space? Yes and no. I think Wolf Financial itself 00:12:58.429 --> 00:13:02.269 has given me a really cool or has given everyone 00:13:02.269 --> 00:13:06.009 really a really cool microscope into a lot of 00:13:06.009 --> 00:13:08.929 these trad fi institutions because I feel like. 00:13:09.419 --> 00:13:11.480 A lot of traditional financial institutions, 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.759 you don't really know who's running the show. 00:13:13.940 --> 00:13:17.539 You don't really get connected to founders. You 00:13:17.539 --> 00:13:20.320 don't get connected to CEOs or executives, really, 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:21.700 because you don't know who they are. They're 00:13:21.700 --> 00:13:25.159 not talking a lot on socials. And so what I like 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:27.059 that Wolf Financial does is they get these people 00:13:27.059 --> 00:13:29.259 in the spotlight, like in the limelight, and 00:13:29.259 --> 00:13:31.200 you can get to know them more, like the team 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:34.159 behind these companies. And that's the Wolf Financial 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.970 kind of effect, I call it right now. Because, 00:13:38.029 --> 00:13:39.549 you know, in crypto, we're used to it. We're 00:13:39.549 --> 00:13:41.529 used to knowing the founders. We're used to knowing. 00:13:41.570 --> 00:13:43.789 We're used to talking to Mike Horton from GeoNet. 00:13:43.950 --> 00:13:45.789 You know, we're used to talking to Amir from 00:13:45.789 --> 00:13:48.970 Helium. And because they're always on socials, 00:13:48.970 --> 00:13:50.789 they're kind of born here on Twitter. Whereas 00:13:50.789 --> 00:13:53.370 TradFi is kind of like looking at Twitter and 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:55.370 saying, oh, that's neat. Like they weren't born 00:13:55.370 --> 00:13:57.470 here, though. And so I think Wolf Financial is 00:13:57.470 --> 00:13:59.570 really cool for kind of bringing them here into 00:13:59.570 --> 00:14:02.110 the spotlight for us to talk about or talk to. 00:14:02.389 --> 00:14:05.840 But in terms of kind of. my view on crypto not 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.940 necessarily um my view of crypto has evolved 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:11.379 over time with just the new information i've 00:14:11.379 --> 00:14:13.480 received like throughout like just like anyone 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.299 else really like the more research i do the more 00:14:16.299 --> 00:14:19.460 that happens in the space the more i start writing 00:14:19.460 --> 00:14:22.059 off a lot of stuff like you know meme coins for 00:14:22.059 --> 00:14:24.700 instance yeah they're fun i i wrote them off 00:14:24.700 --> 00:14:28.259 a long time ago um nfts as well nfts i think 00:14:28.259 --> 00:14:30.980 they have a place in in society i think they're 00:14:30.980 --> 00:14:32.500 going to be used in different in certain technologies 00:14:33.179 --> 00:14:35.659 but not the way we think they are. Because a 00:14:35.659 --> 00:14:37.299 lot of these NFTs back in the day, they tried 00:14:37.299 --> 00:14:40.379 to build a brand and building a brand is very 00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:42.919 hard. Building a brand new IP is extremely hard. 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.419 And so, yeah, you get the Pudgy Penguins and 00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:49.820 yeah, you get the Azukis, but I would say, one, 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.019 they worked really hard to do that. But two, 00:14:52.179 --> 00:14:56.480 there is a luck factor in there that they really 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.820 took off and became their own IP and that's why 00:14:58.820 --> 00:15:01.580 they're successful. Whereas 99 % of NFTs aren't 00:15:01.580 --> 00:15:05.620 really anything anymore. And so that's, I don't 00:15:05.620 --> 00:15:07.500 know, I would say my view of crypto has changed 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:09.940 with time more so than what Wolf has produced. 00:15:10.179 --> 00:15:13.399 But I do like that Wolf Financial is changing 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:17.000 TradFi in a sense. Yeah, I agree. That is a very 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.120 good, they're kind of bridging the gap between 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.379 crypto and DeFi and everything with TradFi with 00:15:22.379 --> 00:15:25.279 bringing those CEOs on. And it gives them more 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.500 of a, they might not even realize that how much 00:15:28.500 --> 00:15:30.120 it's actually helping their company for like 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.110 the younger generation. This is how we function. 00:15:33.210 --> 00:15:34.929 Like we like to see the face behind the company. 00:15:35.029 --> 00:15:37.289 We don't like all these closed doors. And I think 00:15:37.289 --> 00:15:39.350 just bringing them out, seeing what they're capable 00:15:39.350 --> 00:15:42.029 of, it's definitely a step in the right direction. 00:15:42.149 --> 00:15:44.590 And I also agree with what you were saying about 00:15:44.590 --> 00:15:47.889 just time in the space has changed how you feel 00:15:47.889 --> 00:15:50.169 about things. I completely agree with that. I 00:15:50.169 --> 00:15:53.090 remember when I first got into things back in 00:15:53.090 --> 00:15:57.740 2017, 2016, I was looking at. probably on maybe 00:15:57.740 --> 00:15:59.980 coin telegraph or some site that might not even 00:15:59.980 --> 00:16:02.340 be up right now basically like price estimations 00:16:02.340 --> 00:16:06.960 like oh bitcoin's gonna hit 250 000 by 2025 litecoin's 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.580 gonna hit you know 10 000 and you you kind of 00:16:09.580 --> 00:16:12.159 learn quickly once you're in this space that 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.340 a lot of these are a lot of these articles and 00:16:14.340 --> 00:16:15.960 a lot of things that you see people posting is 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.159 mostly just clickbait um it's the same as you 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.340 would see with yep with youtube back when uh 00:16:21.340 --> 00:16:23.720 clickbait was just huge uh in the early days 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:27.029 of youtube it's it's kind of found its way into 00:16:27.029 --> 00:16:29.850 crypto and it's slowly uh disappearing but there's 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:31.850 definitely just a lot of content out there that's 00:16:31.850 --> 00:16:33.730 just like fluff like it's not actually anything 00:16:33.730 --> 00:16:35.789 educational and i feel like that's just that's 00:16:35.789 --> 00:16:37.490 just the power of social media like you're gonna 00:16:37.490 --> 00:16:39.789 have lots of people post things they don't understand 00:16:39.789 --> 00:16:42.090 or don't know about or like like i see deep end 00:16:42.090 --> 00:16:44.629 posts all the time that are like oh look i make 00:16:44.629 --> 00:16:48.029 300 a week using grass and i'm like bro that's 00:16:48.029 --> 00:16:50.149 a lie stop posting that like what are you talking 00:16:50.149 --> 00:16:52.490 about possible yeah exactly and unless you have 00:16:52.490 --> 00:16:55.659 like And grass is a whole situation. They're 00:16:55.659 --> 00:16:57.440 like withholding their airdrops. But yeah, yeah, 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:01.000 exactly. We'll stay out of that for now. So you 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:05.039 got into crypto in early 2020. I'm curious to 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.319 know, are you willing to share one of your mistakes 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.539 that you made? Because I know I got quite a few 00:17:10.539 --> 00:17:13.039 of them, but one of the biggest mistakes you 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.519 made and what did you learn from it? The biggest 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:22.769 mistake I made in crypto was believing. in uh 00:17:22.769 --> 00:17:26.970 a lot of the hype around certain things um because 00:17:26.970 --> 00:17:29.890 it was a fancy you know shiny new thing uh this 00:17:29.890 --> 00:17:33.910 new technology and so when i heard of a new d5 00:17:33.910 --> 00:17:37.190 protocol or of a new nft collection promising 00:17:37.190 --> 00:17:41.289 you know xyz i would quickly jump on board and 00:17:41.289 --> 00:17:42.950 go oh wow this is gonna be the next new thing 00:17:42.950 --> 00:17:46.470 holy crap i'm so bullish without really asking 00:17:46.470 --> 00:17:50.220 the counter arguments like i normally would Because 00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:53.819 in stock trading, you get a lot of news coming 00:17:53.819 --> 00:17:55.880 at you. And so what I would use to do is I would 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:59.059 decipher, okay, this company, they make X amount 00:17:59.059 --> 00:18:02.119 of revenue. Or I would look at the charts and 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:03.940 say, okay, here's a reason I would trade it. 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.480 Here's a reason I wouldn't. But I threw that 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.579 out when I got into crypto because I got so excited 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:10.339 with the tech. And I was like, oh, look at this. 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.099 I discovered this cool thing that not a lot of 00:18:12.099 --> 00:18:14.140 people know about. Oh my goodness, the opportunity 00:18:14.140 --> 00:18:16.680 is huge. And so I would say, yeah, the biggest 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.759 mistake I made was rushing in without asking 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.619 questions, like honest questions and being honest 00:18:21.619 --> 00:18:25.099 with myself, which when the bear market hit, 00:18:25.180 --> 00:18:29.940 the 2021 bear market, 2022 bear market, it definitely 00:18:29.940 --> 00:18:32.980 whooped my butt, let's just say. It made me sit 00:18:32.980 --> 00:18:36.079 back and realize, oh, wait a minute. Maybe I 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:37.960 should be asking these questions. And I started 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.559 doing that. And that's when I discovered tokenized 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.680 assets and Deepin, which was great. But I feel 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:46.119 like everyone kind of falls on their face at 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.279 some point. And it's all about how you kind of 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:51.339 learn from it and get back up. And so I was thankful 00:18:51.339 --> 00:18:54.240 enough to not leave the space and just kind of 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.640 reassess and reevaluate and come back to it with 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:59.900 actually stronger conviction than I had before. 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.500 100 % I agree. I think I had a very similar experience. 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.299 I got into a bunch of the EVMs when I guess it 00:19:07.299 --> 00:19:09.759 was B &B became big and then Avalanche, Polygon, 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.640 Phantom. There was just a ton of them. And basically 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.940 I wanted to go on the exchanges like pancake 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:18.200 swap that was blown up and just kind of get on 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.000 an exchange from every single evm every single 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:25.119 coin and own a token from that uh decentralized 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.240 exchange or whatever you may call it uh a dex 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.180 and uh that was definitely a big mistake for 00:19:32.180 --> 00:19:36.559 me uh 100 and i know it's tough for most people 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.039 to accept defeat and actually pick themselves 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:42.599 back up and i that i you know I think that's 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:44.160 one of the main reasons why we're still here. 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.220 I have friends that got the helium and they ended 00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:51.140 up losing some money or they didn't sell when 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:53.660 helium was like $50 and they're upset about it 00:19:53.660 --> 00:19:55.279 and they just kind of gave up on crypto. And 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:58.200 it sucks to see because if they would have stayed 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:01.460 in the space at the same time as I have, as long 00:20:01.460 --> 00:20:03.460 as I have, they would have been in a much better 00:20:03.460 --> 00:20:06.140 position. But you obviously can't see in the 00:20:06.140 --> 00:20:07.680 future. So it's one of those things where you 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.299 just kind of live and learn. Well, yeah, they 00:20:09.299 --> 00:20:14.779 can't see the forest from the trees. That's the 00:20:14.779 --> 00:20:17.500 one thing I love about Deepin so much is that 00:20:17.500 --> 00:20:19.819 when you truly understand it, or even Bitcoin, 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:22.019 when you truly get it, when you truly understand 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:25.819 why this tech is so fascinating, when you understand 00:20:25.819 --> 00:20:28.119 money, and when you understand technology like 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:31.599 this, it really starts clicking. It's almost 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.240 like when... People make fun of stable coins. 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.700 People make fun of the fact that, oh, yeah, stable 00:20:36.700 --> 00:20:38.920 coins, they're not so fantastical. But it is. 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.220 It really is one of the best products that crypto 00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:43.859 has ever come up with outside of deep ends. Yeah, 00:20:43.859 --> 00:20:47.500 especially with Circle IPO. Yeah, exactly, right? 00:20:47.619 --> 00:20:50.200 And you're seeing the demand for it in real time 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.559 thanks to Circle IPO -ing and having an amazingly 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.299 successful IPO. And so stable coins inherit into 00:20:56.299 --> 00:20:59.740 themselves are just fantastic vehicles for capital. 00:21:00.509 --> 00:21:03.430 velocity. They make money better, essentially. 00:21:03.589 --> 00:21:05.609 They make the US dollar more effective. And when 00:21:05.609 --> 00:21:07.529 people understand that, they say, oh, wow, this 00:21:07.529 --> 00:21:11.589 truly has a use case. And they look at everything 00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:13.369 that it affects as opposed to just looking at 00:21:13.369 --> 00:21:15.369 number go up, number go down. We could definitely 00:21:15.369 --> 00:21:18.650 have a whole podcast episode on stable coins 00:21:18.650 --> 00:21:20.509 because I know a lot of people would actually 00:21:20.509 --> 00:21:23.450 be interested in hearing about why. I have friends 00:21:23.450 --> 00:21:25.509 that are asking, why would I pick a stable coin 00:21:25.509 --> 00:21:28.309 over just cash? And there's so many reasons I 00:21:28.309 --> 00:21:31.809 can get into to explain it, but maybe we can 00:21:31.809 --> 00:21:33.369 put a pin in that and save that for a future 00:21:33.369 --> 00:21:35.410 episode if you like. I'd be more than happy to, 00:21:35.490 --> 00:21:39.029 yeah. Awesome. So moving forward, just trying 00:21:39.029 --> 00:21:43.430 to keep the ball rolling here, what trends or 00:21:43.430 --> 00:21:45.509 shifts in the crypto space are you most excited 00:21:45.509 --> 00:21:47.589 about right now? And I think I already know the 00:21:47.589 --> 00:21:51.049 answer to that, but how do you see the industry 00:21:51.049 --> 00:21:53.549 evolving in the next five to 10 years? I think 00:21:53.549 --> 00:21:56.519 nobody would have expected... five years ago 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.559 to be where we are at today. So, I mean, give 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:04.839 me your bullish case and your bearish case. Bullish 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:07.319 case, I foresee in the next five to 10 years 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:11.039 that the industry is more legitimized. We see 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:16.660 a lot more institutions knowingly, publicly adopt 00:22:16.660 --> 00:22:22.640 crypto. And they start touting. Crypto, essentially. 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.680 They start saying, oh, look at us. We have crypto 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.539 technology. We have blockchain technology. We 00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:31.039 have quicker transactions. We have quicker settlement 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.140 times. We have cheaper transactions, cheaper 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:37.759 wire times, essentially. And that's where I start. 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:39.220 We're going to start seeing it in the banks. 00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:41.099 We're going to start seeing it in traditional 00:22:41.099 --> 00:22:42.519 finance. We're going to start seeing it everywhere, 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:44.359 essentially. It's going to become a part of everyday 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:47.440 life. It's going to be totally normal. Stablecoins 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:50.059 will become the de facto US dollar at that point. 00:22:51.649 --> 00:22:53.690 And it's all going to be hunky -dory, right? 00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:56.970 That's my bullish case. That's my hope, at least, 00:22:57.009 --> 00:23:00.130 right? And I think that, obviously, bear case, 00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:02.349 none of that happens. We have this meme coin 00:23:02.349 --> 00:23:07.369 casino trend continue onward. And we see this 00:23:07.369 --> 00:23:11.329 industry kind of, for lack of a better word, 00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:15.390 just be taken lightly and looked at as a joke. 00:23:15.509 --> 00:23:17.450 People will just look at us as a joke still and 00:23:17.450 --> 00:23:19.430 say, oh, that's a casino. That's all scams, yada, 00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:23.460 yada, yada. I think the right answer is somewhere 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:27.119 in the middle. I've said this before, but I think 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:29.440 we talked about it in Vegas, but I foresee crypto 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:32.299 and blockchain becoming more like JavaScript 00:23:32.299 --> 00:23:36.960 than anything else. I think that it becomes an 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.519 everyday part of life, whereas people interact 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.140 with crypto every day, but they don't really 00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:42.940 think about it because it's all in the background. 00:23:43.820 --> 00:23:46.000 And they just say, oh, like, you know, I'm on 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:47.940 a website. I'm logging onto an app. I'm logging 00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:49.799 onto a website. It's all powered by JavaScript 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:51.859 and React. But they don't think about it like 00:23:51.859 --> 00:23:54.220 that. They don't say, oh, I'm going on my Google 00:23:54.220 --> 00:23:56.539 Chrome, which is powered by this. Like they don't. 00:23:56.539 --> 00:23:58.640 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like you just want to use 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:01.420 an app that works right as a person. And so I 00:24:01.420 --> 00:24:04.000 think is everyday retail people, everyday normal 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.240 person will interact with crypto on a daily basis 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.240 via stable coins or deep pins or something like 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.069 that. They won't even know it. It'll just become 00:24:10.069 --> 00:24:12.630 a part of normal everyday life. Whereas you have 00:24:12.630 --> 00:24:16.369 TradFi and finance as a whole, global finance 00:24:16.369 --> 00:24:20.410 be changed by crypto for the better. Basically, 00:24:20.470 --> 00:24:24.329 reducing inefficiencies, making transaction speeds 00:24:24.329 --> 00:24:27.210 faster, settlement times quicker, cutting out 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:30.289 a lot of the middlemen that have plagued the 00:24:30.289 --> 00:24:34.630 space quite a bit. I know that a lot of traditional 00:24:34.630 --> 00:24:37.190 financial institutions I spoke with recently. 00:24:37.900 --> 00:24:40.359 they were talking about how they're just excited 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.480 to be able to cut out a ton of the bureaucracy 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.740 and bloat. Whereas some of it's very necessary, 00:24:46.019 --> 00:24:47.859 like they have stopgaps that are very necessary 00:24:47.859 --> 00:24:50.940 that can stop horrible things from happening 00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:53.799 or huge mistakes from happening. But when you 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.460 have 10 middlemen, it'd be nice to cut out five 00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:58.119 of them, right? And save some money and time. 00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.920 So that's kind of like my future outlook for 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.700 the space is that, you know, it's again, TradFi 00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:05.680 is going to use it and tout it and they're going 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.019 to be like really public with it. Whereas retail 00:25:08.019 --> 00:25:10.319 and just regular everyday people won't even know 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.240 they're interacting with it. Yeah, I agree. I 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:13.920 think that's where we're headed. And we've talked 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.980 about this quite a few times on episodes of stuff 00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:19.980 that hasn't been released yet. But I totally 00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:22.480 agree. And I think honestly, even your bearish 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.019 case is seeing it seems less and less likely 00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:26.759 that that's actually going to happen because 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.839 you could I would arguably compare the. meme 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.740 coin phase right now to the nft phase and how 00:25:32.740 --> 00:25:34.980 it kind of just went away after a little bit 00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:36.940 and it's still around here and there but it definitely 00:25:36.940 --> 00:25:39.480 doesn't have the impact that it does now that 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.079 it did back then um and i really hope that is 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:44.299 the case because i think meme coins that while 00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:46.859 they are good they're fun it gets a lot of people 00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:49.180 in the crypto that probably wouldn't be in it 00:25:49.180 --> 00:25:51.380 before because it's kind of like gambling and 00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:53.279 a lot of people like doing that it does have 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.680 a lot of a lot of downfalls it does hinder the 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.119 space it does make the the space seem less legitimate 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.529 so i I really hope that stuff kind of starts 00:26:01.529 --> 00:26:03.309 to fade away. And I think we kind of hit the 00:26:03.309 --> 00:26:06.589 peak of that. I haven't been seeing as many meme 00:26:06.589 --> 00:26:09.970 coin stuff as I have probably in like January, 00:26:10.029 --> 00:26:13.750 February, or maybe even November. But it's definitely 00:26:13.750 --> 00:26:16.730 still very apparent. That's the nice thing about 00:26:16.730 --> 00:26:18.990 our space is that we move so fast. Like we move 00:26:18.990 --> 00:26:21.269 very, very fast. We go through cycles and we 00:26:21.269 --> 00:26:23.029 say, oh, this works, this works, this works. 00:26:23.069 --> 00:26:24.150 Oh, it doesn't work anymore. All right, move 00:26:24.150 --> 00:26:27.130 on. Like, you know, it's just. That's one thing 00:26:27.130 --> 00:26:30.410 I do appreciate about how fast we move compared 00:26:30.410 --> 00:26:32.349 to the rest of the world. Because we just go 00:26:32.349 --> 00:26:35.970 through it, man. We munch and eat a bunch of 00:26:35.970 --> 00:26:38.410 information. And we sit on it for like a month. 00:26:38.630 --> 00:26:40.829 And then obviously, as you know, a month in crypto 00:26:40.829 --> 00:26:44.410 is like years, it feels like. Yes. Rapid acceleration. 00:26:45.710 --> 00:26:49.049 Exactly. So it allows us to like test out new 00:26:49.049 --> 00:26:51.650 ideas. And like if they're bad, they will quickly 00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:53.869 fade. If they're good, they will last and stick 00:26:53.869 --> 00:26:56.910 around. I think also the nice thing about crypto 00:26:56.910 --> 00:27:14.980 is there is no. So I'm curious. Because now we're 00:27:14.980 --> 00:27:18.240 starting to see a lot of people in DC lobbying 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:20.559 for crypto and trying to get all these bills 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:22.200 passed. What do you think some of the biggest 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.119 challenges facing the crypto industry are today? 00:27:25.339 --> 00:27:27.279 And how do you see these challenges being overcome? 00:27:27.579 --> 00:27:30.200 I guess you kind of already answered this with 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.980 the meme coins. But do you have anything else 00:27:32.980 --> 00:27:35.569 that you think is worthy of mentioning? Yeah, 00:27:35.609 --> 00:27:38.849 I think crypto still has a huge perception issue. 00:27:39.029 --> 00:27:42.049 I know you, me and Brad discussed this about 00:27:42.049 --> 00:27:44.789 that article. Yes. Recent article. And so it's 00:27:44.789 --> 00:27:47.049 super accurate. There's a huge perception issue 00:27:47.049 --> 00:27:50.150 still. Whereas we're not seen as legitimate. 00:27:50.369 --> 00:27:52.509 And so when you are operating a crypto business, 00:27:52.710 --> 00:27:56.829 it's really hard to get customers or do business 00:27:56.829 --> 00:27:59.049 with other people who aren't in crypto because 00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:02.210 they don't understand it. And they're very scared 00:28:02.210 --> 00:28:03.750 about what they don't understand. People are 00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:06.170 fearful of what they don't understand. And so, 00:28:06.170 --> 00:28:08.529 you know, as a deep end employer, you, me and 00:28:08.529 --> 00:28:10.930 Brad and Tyler and everyone else, suburban crypto 00:28:10.930 --> 00:28:13.750 and such, we all we have to go and talk to regular 00:28:13.750 --> 00:28:17.119 everyday people all the time. And it's really 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.519 hard when you bring up the token, when the token 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.339 talk finally comes up, I call it the token talk, 00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:23.200 you know, like, Oh, the birds and the bees, uh, 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:25.279 the token. Yeah. The token talk comes up and 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.660 then they start saying, wait, token, what do 00:28:26.660 --> 00:28:28.460 you mean token? And they get like kind of confused. 00:28:28.619 --> 00:28:31.019 They just shut down. Yeah, exactly. And so it's, 00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:34.200 it's, it's, there's a huge, huge disconnect with 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.220 the value that like, especially we in deep ends 00:28:37.220 --> 00:28:39.700 are offering like the value play and, and kind 00:28:39.700 --> 00:28:41.740 of this infrastructure we're building out, um, 00:28:41.859 --> 00:28:46.039 and what crypto is. And so I think. down the 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.039 road, that roadblock hopefully becomes a bit 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.039 less of a hurdle after we start separating Deepin 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.599 from crypto, what crypto is known as, or the 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.440 entire perception issue of crypto starts fading 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.660 or starts changing to be more positive. So I 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:02.059 think that's the biggest hurdle we're facing 00:29:02.059 --> 00:29:05.460 right now. Regulation -wise, I mean, we're looking 00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:08.380 good. This current administration is very favorable. 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:11.299 We have several bills in the works that I hope 00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:13.779 pass. We're seeing strategic reserves for Bitcoin 00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:18.480 pass left and right. And so I feel like everything's 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.180 looking up on that front. And institutions are 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:25.660 finally in. They understand. The permanent bid 00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:28.339 for Bitcoin has been established by BlackRock 00:29:28.339 --> 00:29:31.339 and all these other companies. So Bitcoin below 00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:33.839 $60 ,000 is probably never going to happen again 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.490 because of them. Yeah, it's crazy that that is 00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:40.349 a sentence that can be said. Yeah, exactly right. 00:29:40.470 --> 00:29:42.569 And it's wild to think about. But yeah, we have 00:29:42.569 --> 00:29:44.049 the institutions on board. We have the government 00:29:44.049 --> 00:29:45.809 on board. We just don't have the people on board. 00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:49.670 And so the rest of culture, the rest of society 00:29:49.670 --> 00:29:53.049 that is just so against this technology still 00:29:53.049 --> 00:29:54.690 because they're very scared of it. They don't 00:29:54.690 --> 00:29:57.490 understand it. And honestly, I think that stems 00:29:57.490 --> 00:30:00.349 from a lack of understanding of finance and understanding 00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:03.470 of money. and and velocity of money and and global 00:30:03.470 --> 00:30:05.730 liquidity and global access to money and sending 00:30:05.730 --> 00:30:08.210 funds abroad and and yeah and like people yeah 00:30:08.210 --> 00:30:10.089 people don't understand all that stuff and so 00:30:10.089 --> 00:30:12.750 they're very scared of that because they just 00:30:12.750 --> 00:30:14.549 think of money as oh it's in my bank account 00:30:14.549 --> 00:30:17.410 i earn a paycheck every two weeks you know and 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:20.190 yeah it's you can't tell them hey you can own 00:30:20.190 --> 00:30:22.289 your own money like you can own your own finances 00:30:22.289 --> 00:30:24.250 in a crypto wallet you don't have to have a bank 00:30:24.250 --> 00:30:27.890 anymore and yeah and yeah these people a lot 00:30:27.890 --> 00:30:29.349 of these people don't even know how to pay their 00:30:29.349 --> 00:30:32.009 own credit card Exactly. So how are you going 00:30:32.009 --> 00:30:33.930 to tell them how to use a blockchain or how to 00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:35.390 like, you know, that crypto is good for them 00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:37.230 when they can't pay off their own credit cards 00:30:37.230 --> 00:30:38.490 and they're drowning in a ton of debt. Right. 00:30:38.549 --> 00:30:41.009 So I think that I think there's a huge perception 00:30:41.009 --> 00:30:43.809 issue because people have a lack of understanding 00:30:43.809 --> 00:30:47.170 of money, finance, et cetera. But also just, 00:30:47.230 --> 00:30:48.750 you know, like that kind of leads in the crypto, 00:30:48.789 --> 00:30:51.410 of course. So that's the hurdle I think we have 00:30:51.410 --> 00:30:54.230 to get over is the perception issue. Yeah, definitely. 00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:57.049 And I think honestly, in general, just I would 00:30:57.049 --> 00:30:59.890 hope. That the United States, but obviously the 00:30:59.890 --> 00:31:03.190 whole world, they just need to kind of like understand 00:31:03.190 --> 00:31:05.009 finance a little bit better. I mean, it runs 00:31:05.009 --> 00:31:07.369 the world. It surprises me how many people I 00:31:07.369 --> 00:31:09.690 talk to about finances and stuff, especially 00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:12.730 in my industry, you know, being an accountant 00:31:12.730 --> 00:31:16.029 and everything. They just don't understand finance. 00:31:16.089 --> 00:31:18.509 And I don't go around saying like I'm this financial 00:31:18.509 --> 00:31:22.039 guru. I'm by no means, you know. intelligent 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.240 in stocks and everything but i definitely dabble 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.140 in the crypto space with my channel with this 00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:29.799 podcast and everything and it's it's still just 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.259 like it's frightening kind of to see these people 00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:35.599 that just don't really care about finances like 00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.980 they'll keep their money in a checking account 00:31:38.980 --> 00:31:41.980 that doesn't even earn interest and with the 00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:44.359 inflation rates the way they are right now you're 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.000 rapidly losing money or they'll keep it in a 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.890 savings account that has like 0 .1 % interest. 00:31:49.990 --> 00:31:52.029 And I just, I talked to them. I'm like, what 00:31:52.029 --> 00:31:54.730 are you doing? So it's, that stems from like 00:31:54.730 --> 00:31:57.069 a lack of, so again, it's a, it's a perception 00:31:57.069 --> 00:31:59.150 issue, but it's also, it's a lack of understanding 00:31:59.150 --> 00:32:00.869 of money. Like we talked about, but the second 00:32:00.869 --> 00:32:03.349 part, and I feel very strongly about this because 00:32:03.349 --> 00:32:06.390 I've lived amongst a lot of these people, my 00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:09.490 whole life. Like I come from a very, I would 00:32:09.490 --> 00:32:12.910 say my childhood was not the greatest. I come 00:32:12.910 --> 00:32:15.150 from a very, you know, I would say poor background 00:32:15.150 --> 00:32:18.559 initially. And I grew up around a lot of these 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.240 people. And I still am friends with a lot of 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.920 these people. And a lot of it stems from hopelessness. 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.180 It is a, one, you don't understand money. And 00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:28.940 two, you're not incentivized to because you're 00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:31.400 just so, you're drowning in despair. Like you 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.279 are poor. There's no way out. You don't see a 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:35.819 way out. And so what do you do? You distract 00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:39.039 yourself with entertainment and drugs and whatnot. 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:41.019 And just like going out and just like, you know, 00:32:41.019 --> 00:32:44.279 trying to keep yourself, your mind occupied long 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.789 enough. to just make it to like the end of your 00:32:46.789 --> 00:32:52.529 life. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it is just, 00:32:52.609 --> 00:32:54.809 you know, it is, it's, it sucks to see because 00:32:54.809 --> 00:32:56.670 I try to educate these people constantly and 00:32:56.670 --> 00:32:59.230 they don't care. They, they just do not. They 00:32:59.230 --> 00:33:03.210 are so despondent that they don't see a way out. 00:33:03.289 --> 00:33:05.650 And like, I saw Alex Finn's tweet recently about 00:33:05.650 --> 00:33:07.809 like, Oh, if you don't learn AI skills, you're 00:33:07.809 --> 00:33:10.349 going to get left behind. And I said, Alex, good 00:33:10.349 --> 00:33:13.829 luck, you know, teaching AI to the South Georgia, 00:33:13.910 --> 00:33:17.230 you know, uh blue collar worker and he's like 00:33:17.230 --> 00:33:18.809 well what do you mean i'm like dude they don't 00:33:18.809 --> 00:33:20.950 care about this stuff they don't trust it they 00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:22.910 don't they don't trust any of this like they 00:33:22.910 --> 00:33:24.529 are they they literally they want to go have 00:33:24.529 --> 00:33:26.529 beers with the boys on friday night and they 00:33:26.529 --> 00:33:28.009 want to drive their tractors throughout the week 00:33:28.009 --> 00:33:29.109 and they just want to like hang out with their 00:33:29.109 --> 00:33:30.809 boys and like that and they want to work outside 00:33:30.809 --> 00:33:32.809 and they don't want to do anything else and he's 00:33:32.809 --> 00:33:34.710 like well it doesn't make any sense and i'm like 00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:36.730 well no of course it does like you have to live 00:33:36.730 --> 00:33:38.549 with these people to understand them like you 00:33:38.549 --> 00:33:41.450 it makes so much sense it's the culture they're 00:33:41.450 --> 00:33:44.619 ingrained in They think everything's a scam, 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.779 it's all a cult, or it's all a conspiracy, and 00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:50.099 they're just going to sit there and do that. 00:33:50.259 --> 00:33:51.660 They're going to sit there and blame it on the 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:53.619 government and the world as opposed to learning 00:33:53.619 --> 00:33:56.180 the stuff themselves because that's just who 00:33:56.180 --> 00:34:01.880 they are, unfortunately. It sucks to see, certainly. 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.180 Yeah, especially with people that you love and 00:34:05.180 --> 00:34:09.719 care about. Crypto aside, just like finances 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.840 in general, um me being as young as young as 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.219 i am uh even though i am getting older every 00:34:15.219 --> 00:34:18.780 day you're 14 right no but i mean i i started 00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:21.820 this space uh i started in this space when i 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:26.039 was 17 and now i'm 25 so it's been crazy quite 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.059 a lot yeah i know it's such a baby quite a long 00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:32.179 journey and have your knees started hurting yet 00:34:32.179 --> 00:34:35.059 uh yeah actually i think i might have tore my 00:34:35.739 --> 00:34:38.340 a ligament in my leg, but that was for athletic 00:34:38.340 --> 00:34:41.199 reasons. I never really got it checked out. It 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.079 definitely hurts when I sit on planes and whatnot. 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.960 So let's shift to a positive note because I kind 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.880 of got a little dark there for a second. I'm 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.960 curious to know with Wolf Crypto, Wolf Financial, 00:34:53.139 --> 00:34:56.460 or just you, is there anything new or exciting 00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:58.619 that you are working on that you'd like to share? 00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:02.360 Yeah, I mean, me personally, I have been cranking 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.599 out a bunch of new kind of options trading content 00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.940 as well as some Bitcoin and crypto content on 00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:12.039 TikTok as well as YouTube. Started cranking out 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.619 shorts just because I figured, why not? I'm already 00:35:14.619 --> 00:35:17.119 making video content for Twitter and started 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.780 cranking out those. And those seem to be doing 00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:21.960 fairly well, picking up traction. Again, I like 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:23.800 educating people, giving them pointers and tips. 00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:27.409 Um, so that's been nice on Twitter, on the Twitter 00:35:27.409 --> 00:35:29.469 front, I've been pushing out more and more content 00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:32.309 around deep ends again, just consistently trying 00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:35.590 to entertain and educate on there. Um, and so 00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:37.590 I, yeah, I've just been doing lots of stuff there. 00:35:37.630 --> 00:35:39.769 More and more videos are coming out on my YouTube 00:35:39.769 --> 00:35:41.909 and my, my TikTok, not my TikTok, sorry, my, 00:35:41.969 --> 00:35:43.929 uh, my Twitter this week and next, as well as, 00:35:43.949 --> 00:35:45.829 you know, hopefully, you know, far into the future, 00:35:45.929 --> 00:35:47.869 trying to stay very, very consistent on that. 00:35:48.699 --> 00:35:51.159 Yeah, I have several more ambassadorships I just 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.119 signed on with. So I'm an ambassador, a brand 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.280 ambassador for several companies as well. So 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.159 I'm a brand ambassador for Ado, Daba Network, 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:03.059 Peak, a number of deep ends besides the Wolf 00:36:03.059 --> 00:36:07.380 Spaces hosting. On the Wolf front, we might be 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:10.360 getting a, I can't say too much, but there might 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.559 be a show coming out soon revolving around crypto 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.409 that I may be hosting. I may be hosting. the 00:36:18.409 --> 00:36:20.949 spaces show. Yeah. The spaces for, for crypto, 00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:22.929 I guess. I don't know all the details. We're, 00:36:22.929 --> 00:36:24.869 we're talking to several clients right now. Yeah. 00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:27.510 Um, but I may be hosting some, some form of a 00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:30.010 show in the near future. Well, that is very exciting. 00:36:30.409 --> 00:36:33.369 I actually have a question. This is kind of like 00:36:33.369 --> 00:36:35.409 maybe the last one on my list, but I'll pivot 00:36:35.409 --> 00:36:38.550 back because I just remembered when we were in 00:36:38.550 --> 00:36:41.469 Vegas and you were talking, uh, you were talking 00:36:41.469 --> 00:36:44.579 to Brad deep in connection. Um, you just started 00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:46.739 talking about all of these projects, even with 00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.500 your friend Andy, that I have never heard about. 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.900 And they're Deepin projects. So I'm curious to 00:36:52.900 --> 00:36:55.519 know, where do you find this information? How 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.840 do you stay informed and up to date with all 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.079 of these Deepin projects? And aside from Deepin, 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:02.880 how do you stay up to date with crypto in general? 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.980 I know for me, like X is my primary source, but 00:37:05.980 --> 00:37:08.739 even so, like, is it certain people that you 00:37:08.739 --> 00:37:10.840 follow or is there certain websites? I'm curious 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:16.789 to know. Yeah, so when it comes to broader market 00:37:16.789 --> 00:37:20.670 moves, as well as Bitcoin specifically, I get 00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:23.070 a lot of my news from Watcher Guru on Twitter, 00:37:23.250 --> 00:37:27.349 as well as a handful of other accounts. There's 00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:29.090 like, I think his name is, oh my goodness, what 00:37:29.090 --> 00:37:32.969 is it? It's a DB, might be DB. I follow him for 00:37:32.969 --> 00:37:35.230 just like active updates on the market and Bitcoin. 00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:40.309 What else? For more D -Pen specific stuff, though, 00:37:40.389 --> 00:37:42.909 I usually just get a lot of my news from the 00:37:42.909 --> 00:37:46.230 space. So I host these weekly spaces with Wolf, 00:37:46.429 --> 00:37:49.670 and I'll try to invite a lot of new projects 00:37:49.670 --> 00:37:52.329 and a lot of new people on consistently. And 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:55.250 what that does is a couple of things. One, it 00:37:55.250 --> 00:38:00.289 allows for different perspectives to come into 00:38:00.289 --> 00:38:02.190 the conversation. So when we have a really interesting 00:38:02.190 --> 00:38:04.559 topic that week. Or maybe we're talking about 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.559 some current events. It's nice to have some fresh 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:10.579 perspectives on the space. Two, it allows for 00:38:10.579 --> 00:38:14.360 networking. So now these D -pins who might have 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.420 not talked to each other before can network on 00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:18.360 the space, get to know each other. And maybe 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.239 they'll follow up with each other in the DMs 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.519 and maybe they'll collab or something. And it's 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.099 really cool. And then three, I also get a lot 00:38:25.099 --> 00:38:27.860 of news. I get to learn about these D -pins live, 00:38:28.179 --> 00:38:30.239 kind of like from the horse's mouth in a sense. 00:38:31.690 --> 00:38:33.969 And it's really cool because now I get to have 00:38:33.969 --> 00:38:36.630 them explain their project. Maybe they'll weave 00:38:36.630 --> 00:38:39.929 it into an answer of sorts. And then I can follow 00:38:39.929 --> 00:38:41.750 up on them later and DM them and say, hey, I 00:38:41.750 --> 00:38:42.869 want to learn more about your stuff. Or I can 00:38:42.869 --> 00:38:44.349 just click on their profile and kind of scroll 00:38:44.349 --> 00:38:47.289 through. So a lot of it is manual. A lot of it 00:38:47.289 --> 00:38:50.329 is, you know, kind of hearsay on the spaces. 00:38:51.289 --> 00:38:55.570 But the majority of my news is networking. Just 00:38:55.570 --> 00:38:57.789 from everyone I talk to, you know, deep in connection. 00:38:58.799 --> 00:39:01.920 unleashing deep in Andy, all these guys, I just, 00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:05.059 I constantly follow their feeds and I'm constantly, 00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:07.039 you know, looking to see what they're talking 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.880 about. And, you know, I follow a lot of major 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.659 deep in accounts too. They'll make a lot of announcements 00:39:11.659 --> 00:39:13.980 and whatnot. So a majority is on Twitter. Um, 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.500 just following those specific deep in accounts. 00:39:16.659 --> 00:39:18.340 Like if you just type in deep in on the search 00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:21.480 bar, you can literally find so many people, um, 00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.360 to fall. So I recommend doing that. um yeah i 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.099 mean that's that's pretty much what i do to get 00:39:27.099 --> 00:39:29.780 my deep end news is just do that yeah i'm kind 00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:33.699 of a bot on x i i don't know how to use it very 00:39:33.699 --> 00:39:35.280 well you definitely taught me how to make better 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.679 posts and since then like stuff has been absolutely 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.860 blowing up i got one of my uh posts retweeted 00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:44.579 by tyler winklevoss which was pretty insane oh 00:39:44.579 --> 00:39:49.199 really yeah um it was a gemini post um and it 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.239 got uh let's see how many views it got i got 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:55.219 40 No, sorry. It got 26 ,000 views because he 00:39:55.219 --> 00:39:57.300 retweeted. Dude, that's awesome. Yes, it was 00:39:57.300 --> 00:39:59.980 very awesome. Happy to help you out. Heck yeah, 00:40:00.019 --> 00:40:03.199 dude. I'm curious. Do you know how to use the 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:07.099 on the home screen of X? Somebody added me to 00:40:07.099 --> 00:40:10.280 a it's kind of like a folder and they added a 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.579 bunch of. deep in projects or mining projects 00:40:14.579 --> 00:40:16.380 to this and then it's on it's on my home screen 00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:18.420 it's like one of the tabs i can pick i think 00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:20.159 that would be honestly be like a really good 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.739 idea if you haven't done it yet maybe we could 00:40:22.739 --> 00:40:24.739 we could build something like that and share 00:40:24.739 --> 00:40:26.679 it with people because i think that would be 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.760 very helpful for the space i don't know if you 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.639 know what i'm talking about like an aggregator 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.079 of sorts like uh i guess so yeah you should check 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.639 out tyler just built deep in pulse um so unleashing 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.820 deep in just came up with this thing called deep 00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:42.949 in pulse Um, it is like a, they're still working 00:40:42.949 --> 00:40:45.190 on it right now. Um, you can, it's publicly available 00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:47.369 though. You can access the website. Um, and you 00:40:47.369 --> 00:40:49.550 can look at like deep end earnings on there. 00:40:49.550 --> 00:40:51.469 They're, they've incorporated deep end Ninja 00:40:51.469 --> 00:40:53.869 into it. So they'll have all the revenue and 00:40:53.869 --> 00:40:55.630 earnings for every deep end project listed on 00:40:55.630 --> 00:40:58.389 there. Uh, but it also be a place for news and 00:40:58.389 --> 00:41:00.559 updates and everything. Interesting. That kind 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.039 of sounds like my website, but okay. I mean, 00:41:05.059 --> 00:41:06.380 there's, there's, there's been a lot of them 00:41:06.380 --> 00:41:08.440 popping up, you know, deep in ninjas been around 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:10.760 for a bit, but like, no, your site sounds awesome 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.199 too. So like I would check out, you know, I would 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:14.760 say, I would say you should talk to Tyler and 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.139 look for, you know, possible means of co -labbing. 00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:18.780 That'd be pretty. Yeah, that'd be great. Well, 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:20.920 uh, we can talk a little bit more about this 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.840 after. Wow. Yeah. They got a really nice site. 00:41:23.289 --> 00:41:24.949 So, yeah. All right. Maybe I'll have to reach 00:41:24.949 --> 00:41:27.150 out to them. He's blown away, everyone. He's 00:41:27.150 --> 00:41:30.230 blown away by the sight. Yeah. So I really appreciate 00:41:30.230 --> 00:41:32.590 you taking the time to sit down with me and talk 00:41:32.590 --> 00:41:36.309 about this deep in space and just get to learn 00:41:36.309 --> 00:41:37.989 a little bit more about you. Because honestly, 00:41:38.130 --> 00:41:41.309 when I met you in Vegas, I was like, I think 00:41:41.309 --> 00:41:43.710 I know you, but I don't. I'm not sure. So it's 00:41:43.710 --> 00:41:48.280 really nice to know. Yes. It really has been 00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.440 nice to get to know you over the past two weeks, 00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:53.280 and I'm excited to continue. I guess I don't 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.199 know. Are we friends at this point? I think so, 00:41:55.219 --> 00:41:57.300 Chris. I think so. You know, I like to jab at 00:41:57.300 --> 00:41:59.219 my friends. I've been jamming at you a lot. So 00:41:59.219 --> 00:42:01.820 I think we are. Oh, I can take it. It's fine. 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.280 Yeah. So I'll definitely put all your socials 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.420 in the description below. Is there anything else 00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:08.639 you'd like to say before we wrap this up? Nothing 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:13.159 crazy. If you are someone who's curious about 00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.239 dipping your toe in and understanding this technology, 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.679 by all means, follow Chris here and follow a 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.380 lot of other people in the space. There's just 00:42:22.380 --> 00:42:25.599 so many smart, smart people in here. If someone 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.119 is shilling extra hard, be wary. If someone's 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:29.719 just talking about tokens left and right, be 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:33.219 wary. But just because you're wary, I wouldn't 00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:36.829 say... don't completely shut it down. Go in there, 00:42:36.969 --> 00:42:40.170 do your own research, check it out. And yeah, 00:42:40.230 --> 00:42:42.130 if you are in the space already, just keep building, 00:42:42.230 --> 00:42:44.230 man. Just keep going out there. Keep talking 00:42:44.230 --> 00:42:47.150 to your friends, your family, your neighbors, 00:42:47.469 --> 00:42:50.349 your community. Talk to your legislators because 00:42:50.349 --> 00:42:52.750 a lot of people still don't understand this stuff. 00:42:53.090 --> 00:42:57.909 And you'd be amazed, man. I talked to the Florida 00:42:57.909 --> 00:43:00.150 Senate recently, like a lot of the legislators 00:43:00.150 --> 00:43:04.559 of the Florida Capitol here. And all of them, 00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:06.840 pretty much most of them, had no idea about crypto 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.599 or anything like that. They don't understand 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.659 it at all. And they're making rules about this 00:43:11.659 --> 00:43:13.800 stuff. So it really helps to just go out there 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.280 and be a go -getter and just talk to your local 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.119 legislators, talk to your community, educate 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.579 them, and then get involved. It's an exciting 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:23.539 time, man. All right. Well, thank you so much 00:43:23.539 --> 00:43:25.440 for listening, everybody. I'll see you all in 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.920 the next episode. Peace out.