We're building a Deepin flight tracking network,
essentially rewarding the people based on performance,
but also combining that with much better infrastructure,
which means we are in a pretty cool position
as we can actually create better infra than what
is feeding all of aviation today. And I think
that's a pretty good spot to be in as a Deepin.
We are joined by the CEO and founder of Wingbit,
Robin Wingard. Robin, thanks for joining us today.
Yeah, thanks for having me, Bradley. We really
appreciate it. Absolutely. after we spoke the
last time um did quite a bit of research and
i have to say i had no idea how flights were
tracked but it's really really interesting stuff
especially some of the changes that were made
recently and definitely want to get into those
nitty gritty details in this video But before
we do that, I would love for you to tell us a
little bit about yourself, give us your background
and the things you're doing leading up to WingBits.
Yeah, for sure. So my background is a little
bit diverse, I'd say. I started my career as
a professional golfer. So I'm from Sweden, but
moved to the US, go to college, play college
golf. And then I played professionally for a
few years before I just, by chance, stumbled
into the kind of entrepreneurial route, so to
speak. I got the chance to work for an investment
company. with them we i got to be part of building
six companies from the ground up so not just
me by myself but me and together with a bunch
of other people so that was a really great learning
experience past that i've had two companies on
my own one failed that one worked out better
so i exited it in 2021 and moved back to sweden
worked in the beverage industry as a ceo for
a couple of years so that was really interesting
both on the sale side but also on the manufacturing
side and most recently i worked at clarna which
is a fintech company here in Stockholm where
I'm based now and I was there for about a year
and a half leading some commercial teams managing
the larger merchants and I just got sick of it
I just like I love building things I quit didn't
really have a plan and I ended up in an accelerator
called Antler and I ran into my co -founder Alex
who just so happened to also work at Klarna but
we didn't meet there and he had a genius idea
for wing bits. And I thought it was super fascinating.
And yeah, we kicked it off in, I think, in November
2023. And so it's been just over a year now.
That's awesome, man. Yeah. Once you get that
entrepreneurial bug, if you will, it's hard to
go and work for someone else again, I feel like.
It is. It is. It's just like, even though you
work a lot more when you do your own thing, it's
just the feeling of you are choosing to do it.
You know, like no one is telling you when to
work and what to do. uh yeah it takes a lot more
time but it's just so much more fun and rewarding
absolutely i think i told you i left my corporate
job earlier this year i've been doing my own
thing now and man to your point i mean i work
definitely more hours than i ever worked before
but i love what i do it's on my terms i you know
i worked hours when i want to work hours so it's
uh it's definitely nice and for so you're a professional
golfer too uh you said for what three years yeah
about three and a half yeah i mean i was uh i
was really good as an amateur i think at my best
i was top 20 in the world for a brief stint but
i was pretty good uh and then as a professional
i mean i had had some decent tournaments but
it was just don't know it was just a combination
of not losing passion but also i got to build
this little side business and i just thought
building a business was just so much more fun
than than playing golf so i just quit you know
i'm planning a trip out next year uh overseas
so if i get out to sweden maybe we'll get out
there i'm far from a professional golfer but
I can play with pace, so I think we'd still have
a good time out there. But getting back to WingBits.
So you guys came up with the idea. You said it's
been a little bit over a year now. Give us kind
of your elevator pitch on WingBits. And I do
want to dig into how the flight tracking works
and all that, because I think that's super fascinating.
Yeah. So if you look at flight tracking, kind
of on a wider scale, it's already decentralized
in nature. So you have these enthusiasts all
around the world collecting this data. passing
it passing it on to one of the major flight tracking
networks who then make hundreds of millions of
dollars a year by selling this data well the
space have not seen any innovation for the last
10 to 15 years so the people that contribute
data earn nothing and the infrastructure is subpar
So we're building a deep end flight tracking
network, essentially rewarding the people based
on performance, but also combining that with
much better infrastructure, which means we are
in a pretty cool position as we can actually
create better infra than what is feeding all
of aviation today. And I think that's a pretty
good spot to be in as a deep end. Digging in
a little bit more on the competition. So you
said that it's been flight enthusiasts. How has
that data been collected? for the competitors
up to this point? Yeah. So if you look at the
bigger networks like FlightAware or Flightradar,
for example, they have just people that love
aviation. They love tracking airplanes all around
the globe, hosting these devices and antennas
essentially for free. How it works is you send
data to one of the platforms. In return, you
get access to the platform, like a free subscription
access, pretty much. But that becomes like a
very binary model, right? So like it doesn't
matter if your station is really great or if
it's really bad, as long as there's some data.
being transferred you have access so it doesn't
really create a very optimized network but also
i feel like people will not go as far out of
their way for example to you know like in your
case deploy many devices like if all you get
is access doesn't matter if you have one or a
thousand why should you dev you know deploy a
thousand and quite frankly i think it's we really
wanted to find a way to essentially do kind of
like like how do you give back to the community
and based on how the financial system works how
how the world works blockchain is really the
only viable option on a global scale so we opted
for that as far as the data that's being tracked
because i know that's changed quite a bit too
with this new ADS -B data also from a legislation
or regulatory standpoint, that's been really
pushed forward in the last few years. But yeah,
if you could break down kind of how flights used
to be tracked, how this new data is being utilized
and how the regulatory environment is pushing
that forward. Yeah. So I mean, the technology
itself, ADS -B is quite old. I mean, it's radio,
but it's recently became regulated pretty much
everywhere. I think Europe regulated in 2017,
US came in 2020, I believe Canada was maybe 2021.
And what that means is that any plane that flies
through commercial airspace or civilian airspace
has to transmit the signal called ADS -B. So
how that works is the plane gets their GPS location
from the satellite, and then it broadcasts this
radio signal out everywhere. And in the signal,
you have one obviously GPS location, but like
speed. altitude barometric pressure tilt heading
and now in the later versions you also will have
turbulence indicators and weather conditions
and essentially what it allows you to do is get
a very very granular picture of the entire flight
and it's also a much more accurate than for example
radar so still you know airports use usually
combination of having their own radars and then
having some type of adsb either be a partner
like flight aware flight radar or maybe their
own But FAA is actually planning on, over time,
phasing out radar in lieu of ADS -B. The industry
moves slow. There's still a lot of safety measures
that need to be taken because you do have a lot
of issues with spoof data or GPS jamming and
that sort of thing. What it allows you to do
is essentially aggregate all this data. you get
really granular insights into like what is airspace
looking like how are power planes moving throughout
their travel are there holding patterns proving
like inefficiency at an airport how are planes
moving to gates how long are they staying which
runways they take so it just gives you a very
very granular good overview with a lot of information
like with the radar yeah you see something coming
but you have to manually contact the plane to
say well who are you your green blip on my screen
whereas adsb is you they send all the information
to you so it's it's it's a much better way of
doing it and since it's more accurate theoretically
you could actually pack more planes into the
air because you can have a lower buffer since
there's more accuracy. But again, then you have
to make sure, okay, well, is there GPS jamming
going on? Is there spoofing going on? Obviously,
there's a lot of things that has to take place
before you can fully do that. And also, I mean,
a fun side note, I don't know what it is, but
like, you know, an airport, you know, they have
their official radar systems. So that covers
maybe 30 minutes from the airport. So outside
of that, a lot of times to see what is happening
up in the air, you know, they have to rely on
these. systems that are you know ran on volunteer
-based data essentially to see well what plane
is on the way in, but it's three hours out. So
I know you guys have made a lot of progress in
getting deployments out there. And one of the
interviews I listened to where you were talking
about how many events you all are seeing on a
daily basis. Can you give us some metrics on
what that looks like? Yeah. So in terms of how
many events we capture, it's about 7 billion
a day. And that doesn't equate to 7 billion flights,
obviously. But essentially how it works is that
the plane sends a signal twice a second. So,
you know, with all the airplanes, that becomes
a lot of events in terms of how many flights
we see per day. Obviously, it's a little bit
seasonal, but on average, it's above 120 ,000
unique flights per day. Some days it spikes way
up and so on. But we don't have global coverage
yet. Based on our reporting, we cover probably
around 38 to 40 percent of landmass. But essentially
what you want to do is you want to cover the
top. you know a few hundred airports because
that's you know if you cover the top 300 airports
for example in terms of traffic volume you cover
pretty much 80 percent of all commercial traffic
well how many deployments do you have today and
then i do want to talk about some of the new
hardware coming out and what your goals are for
next year yeah so currently since you know we
started with a sort of a build your own model
so it's a heavily raspberry pi based and people
repurpose heli miners we we stopped that at it
ended up being 2100 live devices that we have
now uh after that then we opened up the pre -sales
of the new device october 14th i believe it was
and uh we've we've sold about between 1500 and
1750 since you know we don't sell the hardware
it's sold by high fixes resellers so we don't
have the exact numbers but it's in that range
and looks like we're selling maybe 10 to 15 a
day So these devices will be shipped out in January.
So we forecast being somewhere around 4 ,000,
maybe even five if it takes off even more by
middle of Q1 next year. Wow. To get, you know,
let's say 70, 80 % coverage, if you will, how
many deployments do you think you'll need? I
think it depends a little bit on the distribution
of the devices because you can have, you know,
if you have 10 ,000 devices in one country, it
doesn't really give you access in any other country.
Based on the model we're using with one antenna
per one of these ground locations, essentially
locks it in. We think we'll need about 7 ,500
to 10 ,000 or 11 ,000 to have global coverage.
So that's kind of based on current growth trends.
There's going to be some areas that are more
difficult, obviously, down the road to cover.
to capture the majority of the traffic compared
to existing networks. That's kind of what we
need. The nice thing about the token incentive
model, right, is that if there are areas as you
progress that need coverage, you can always somehow...
use tokens to incentivize deployments in those
areas down the road right similar to geonet you
know i think they estimated when they got 10
000 base stations they would have you know around
80 percent of the market addressed and you are
working with geonet right so that the new hardware
that's coming out you said is expected for shipping
in january right it is a dual miner so what can
you tell us about that hardware that's coming
out yeah so there's two different versions uh
one is the obviously the wing bits only But what's
cool about that one is it still allows us to
use GeoNet's very accurate proof of location,
which is actually a really big selling point
for our network since no other network has any
type of actual location on their devices. And
the second version is the WingBiz GeoNet Dual
Miner. And that's kind of all in one. It's not
an upgrade kit that you can use with your existing
GeoNet Miner. You essentially get to participate
in both projects just with one device and it
makes it simpler plug and play. And it's quite
a quite a few upgrades in this device. So it's
going to be a kind of a state of the art device
from what we've seen. You know, that's also one
of my favorite projects. I love what you guys
are doing, too. I think it's going to be a great
synergy, especially being able to tap into each
other's communities for more deployments. So
I think it makes a lot of sense. Something you
said that. I want to dig in a little bit more
on was the fact that you have very precise location
data. So I think that's one of your big differentiators
against these other, you know, crowdsource networks
from flight enthusiasts. You know, for one, you
can make sure that you have really accurate GPS,
you know, latency, right uptime. So what are
what are some of those things that give you guys
an advantage over the data that's going to be
collected? Yeah, I mean, so. we essentially have
advantages both on the incentive side but also
on the infrastructure side so on the community
side or incentive side one is that on average
one station in our network is much better than
the average station in the existing network simply
because people actually try to optimize it so
we actually pulled some numbers because they
were somehow public where we see that pretty
much over 50 percent of the and all the stations
in one of the largest networks have the performance
of an inside antenna which is pretty poor whereas
you know we look at ours majority is are really
good and that's simply because like it makes
no sense to set up a poor performing antenna
that's one thing another thing on the community
side is kind of like the there's more strategies
in terms of growing the network because all that
our networks have a really big overlap in the
community so community share to all the networks
so they have essentially the same data whereas
we have more of a unique community but we can
also incentivize better okay we need coverage
in a specific region right either we can have
you know people we have to host the the host
wallet sharing so you can actually send an antenna
to host do a reward split that's something new
we have many more opportunities to go with like
large device deployers that want to do that in
specific regions but then we also of course are
able to if we want to do a bounty area or regional
multipliers or that sort of thing so we have
many more ways of growing And currently, I mean,
we grow about six times faster than data networks
have done in the past. So the model works pretty
good. So that's on that side. On the infra side,
one, yes, like a proof of location is quite important
because you want to, and that combined with cryptographically
signing the data. So you can say, okay, well,
I know this data is coming from this actual device
and this actual device is in this location. That
gives you much more security. and validation
on the network but it also opens up for pretty
cool use cases like if you see that this plane
is you know let's say it's being attacked like
there's spoof data coming to the plane this plane
is reporting that it is in area x okay well based
on we know the stations are here we could triangulate
the signal and say well the plane is actually
here so we can we can actually have a much better
overview of where that's taking place and and
showing where the plane actually is same thing
on gps jamming knowing like okay these stations
are reporting uh the low quality in the signal
so we can actually see that gps jamming is happening
here well is the data coming from this device
or is it being shot from a device in portugal
and then the data they just shoot it you know
from 10 devices into one that is located somewhere
else and you don't really know where they are
so it opens up for much more use cases much more
accuracy, better latency because we don't have
to do so much real -time processing. And we've
seen that too. We've talked with some companies
in the intelligence sector, for example, and
they can't even buy the data right now from the
existing ground -based networks because there's
no security. Our hypothesis is that better infra
leads to new market segments opening up. So that's
what we're hoping for. We don't know that yet,
but so far it's on the right track. That's actually
what I want to talk about next. So that's a good
transition. The markets that you all are moving
into, I know earlier you mentioned some of these
competitors are bringing in hundreds of millions
of dollars a year. With this new ADS -B data,
it does open the door for new use cases. you
know what use cases do you see being able to
tackle first and foremost uh and then kind of
moving forward what do you think can emerge especially
with ai and being able to run models and so forth
yeah i mean the the first product is a simple
live stream of the aggregated data in raw format
and those the customers that buy that data are
usually customers that are a little bit larger
and they have a really high internal data processing
capabilities So that's the lowest hanging fruit
because it's simple for us to essentially set
up that product. The second product would be
more towards a sample down data stream or historical
data sets, for example, and also filtering based
on maybe specific fleets. Because if you're an
airplane lesser and you only want to follow your
fleet of planes, You don't need the data from
the whole globe. And then you can price it per
tail. So that's probably the most logical next
product because based on how we set up our backend,
that's also something that's pretty simple for
us to set up. In the future, we're going to start
enriching the data, combining it with different
type of data sets. We're really focusing on the
data aspect because in the beginning we thought,
oh, we can build all types of analytics products
on top of the data. There's thousands of companies.
buying this data to build analytics on it we
think we're better off focusing on creating the
absolute best data aggregation network and enrich
it in better ways and just supply that to all
these buyers uh so that's kind of what we're
working on now but you know our background is
not in aviation we did bring in uh some some
domain expert now from aviation uh so that might
change but that From everything we gathered,
it makes the most sense to just focus on the
data aggregation aspect and selling data in different
formats. To your point, I mean, some of these
other companies have already built out the analytics
side. If you can be a feeder of a higher quality
data set, they're going to want to buy your data.
So I think that makes a lot of sense. But it's
also kind of like starting a company. I mean,
the hardest thing about building what we're building
is that there's like a million opportunities.
yeah we see like oh this would be fun that'd
be fun this would be fun that'd be great but
we think okay let's be really great at this first
and and when we're really great at this okay
well then we can look but if we do everything
now we're gonna be average at everything that's
a very valid point uh in fact i worked at a drone
service company in dc and we had that issue we
were focusing on way too many verticals instead
of trying to be really good at one or two verticals
and it spread the company out way too thin so
i think that's i think that's the right way to
go about it is to really hone in get really really
good at one specific thing and then kind of you
know grow from there so i think you guys are
on the right thought process there how does ai
work into this you know this is something that
we're seeing a lot of where the data can be more
valuable you know what is it with real -time
data analysis or what use cases do you see ai
kind of mixing in here yeah i mean two of the
kind of big ones that are you working on on top
of this data one is like a flight delay prediction
type of model because if you look at flight delays
uh i think faa came out with a report i think
globally cost 75 billion uh in 2022 so it's you
know it's pretty pretty significant cost because
when a plane is delayed that cost i think it
costs just over 100 a minute for a delay And
then you have that on a global scale. It's a
lot of money. But if you look at delays, about,
I think it's 46 % of all delays are what you
call knock -on delays. So essentially, plane
A is delayed and it causes knock -on delay effects
down the line. So what you want to do is essentially
say, okay, well, we know this plane is here right
now. It's going to be delayed. How does that
affect future flights? you know because i mean
if you have a small plane you can fly three four
or five times in one day so if first flight is
delayed how does it affect second third fourth
fifth and what does that happen to like the crew
management aspect of it like are they going to
be over hours so you have to swap a crew do you
actually have to swap the plane if it's too delayed
do you just cancel it also allows with resource
allocation on the airport for ground operations,
like knowing what's going to happen. Even if
it's just a few hours into the future, it doesn't
have to be like, oh, a year into the future,
this is going to happen. But if it gives a little
bit more of a productivity approach, that would
save billions of dollars. So that's one big use
case. The second one is kind of tied into that.
So when an airline, you have to book your slots
for the gate like a year ahead of time. And if
you miss your slot, it's quite hefty fines. so
they all they usually add a buffer so they pay
more just to be safe but is there a way to essentially
optimize that gate slot you know if you have
better prediction models if you have better better
data can you lower it and that would also save
millions and millions of dollars a year for an
airline and you know i think the average profit
margin for airlines is like two percent i mean
three it's like it's bad everyone in aviation
is making a lot of money except the airlines
so but the airlines are massive at scale so like
if they can solve like every like fraction of
a percent they can improve it's a it's a lot
of money so they are really heavily looking at
this uh those are like the two that stand out
in my mind uh that we hear quite a bit and that
makes a lot of sense i didn't realize how much
money these airlines were losing on flight delays
i mean you know that southwest situation that
happened a couple years ago man they got crushed
on that so i think anything that can help these
airlines especially if they're running on margins
that small i mean anything that can move the
needle at all for them is going to with the amount
of volume that they do it would would definitely
make a huge difference for them i think it's
going to be a thing where they want to improve
you know like you hear about they like improve
one percent in many areas and the overall improvement
is really large because also if you say like
okay you want to spot if planes end up in a holding
pattern essentially they have to circle around
and wait to land okay well if they know that
it's going to be occupied when they arrive they
can slow down and burn less fuel so they will
still land at the same time even if that's delayed
but then they at least save fuel obviously aviation
is really under scrutiny for emissions and if
you look at the forecast like aviation is going
to be a big part of global emissions in in in
the future so there's a lot of scrutiny on that
they have to figure that out uh but it's also
if you kind of know this because oh an airport
can have like really high capacity for how many
planes can land but it's still based on how many
people are actually working there. So even if
you have capacity to land a thousand planes an
hour, that's a lot, but you need enough people
working. If you don't have enough people, you
can't land. So there's just so many pieces that
are connected. It's super complex. And again,
my background is not aviation, so we're learning
a lot. The more we learn, the more opportunity
there is, but the complexity also increases the
more we learn. The more we learn, the more we
understand we don't know. It's really fun. since
it's an emerging industry right because this
adsb data is now required all over the world
um i think we're going to see more and more use
cases things we're not even thinking of right
now that could be potential revenue streams right
yeah i mean i think it's like now since pretty
much all plane has this transmitter It just means
that you have more complete data sets because
everyone is sending it. So that's why it's actually
becoming more useful. Do you see any other industries
like maybe drones, everything going on with the
drones in New Jersey right now? I'm just curious,
like, do you see that as a potential revenue
stream in the future? Yeah, I mean, we did include
a drone tracker and a new hardware. I actually
forgot to mention that. So different size drones
will transmit in different ways. So larger drones.
will be on either like the 1090 megahertz that
we track now or potentially 978 so far it's leaning
towards 1090 and smaller drones will transmit
over 2 .4 gigahertz so we included the receivers
in the new hardware the drone industry i think
no one will argue that they will not be here
a question is like when Right now, there's a
lot of money going in to the drone industry,
but that's mainly investor money. So majority
of the money inside that ecosystem is just investments.
It's not generating so much revenue per se from
actually selling their services yet, but it will.
I think that will be of importance. The issue
with what's going on with the drones now in the
US is obviously a drone can decide, I'm not going
to transmit any signal. You know, we are focusing
more on the commercial drone aspect, like Amazon
is using drones and there's a bunch of drones
delivering stuff everywhere. Yeah, that needs
a tracking network. The people that are, you
know, trying to do bad things with drones, you're
going to need a different system. Like, you know,
and I don't know enough to make an educated guess
on what that will be. But is it like some type
of like essentially advanced video monitoring
system that monitors the sky? I don't know. So
that's going to be interesting. But then you
also have the advanced air mobility segment which
is you know have a lot of a lot of money streaming
into it gonna build these they call them vertiports
uh all over the world you can go on a website
called aamindex .com i believe it is to see where
these vertiports are planned and that's essentially
flying taxis flying cargo that share airspace
but they don't fly up with airplanes that that
segment is going to need better infrastructure
to rely on And we're hoping that we can be that
infrastructure. But there's I think, you know,
there's a lot of pieces that have to fit in with
this drone industry growing. I mean, OK, if a
drone flies, one has to be a solid infrastructure
to keep track of them. Because imagine you have
an ambulance helicopter coming here and all of
a sudden you have a drone. Like they need to
know that they're coming. But also, OK, a drone,
what if it has to recharge? There has to be some
type of charging stations along these highways
where the drone can land. probably like a machine
to machine transaction type of thing charges
or swaps battery or whatever and then it keeps
going just a lot of pieces that have to kind
of grow at the same time uh so it's it's it's
gonna come it's just you know it's a lot of it's
complex complex especially the bigger drones
i i have like a mavic i've actually got my part
107 uh pilot's license so yeah um drone pilot's
license i should add uh but i have a i have a
mavic 2 pro and i think i can get that keep that
thing up there for like 10 15 minutes and then
i you know i gotta bring back down and change
the batteries up but sounds like there's plenty
of opportunity for you to tap into now um you
know i'm excited for this new dual miner with
geonet to start shipping and seeing the deployments
grow i i think if you're seeing 10 to 15 orders
a day and where we're at in this market cycle
i wouldn't be surprised if you all hit you know
10 ,000 base stations middle of next year, potentially.
I think it's possible. Assuming you guys have
the manufacturing capacity to keep up. That does
bring me to the next topic though, real quick.
I know we have a few minutes left here, but so
you haven't launched the token yet. So the main
net launch is expected to happen with Q1, right?
Q1, correct, yes. Okay. And you all are building
on Solana, right? Yep. so curious uh what made
you all choose solana over you know other blockchains
i mean we actually considered multiple and it's
multiple we like uh we just end up going with
solana because you know they do have a good track
record they've been through a lot of bad times,
like with the FTX collapse and all that, they
came back stronger. Super good developer system,
a lot of active users. And, you know, yeah, sometimes
people say, oh, Solana, the DevNet's down or
the network is down. But since inception, their
uptime is still over 99%. And you can also, like,
scalable. We looked at scalability. We thought
Solana was very scalable. It's a very mature
ecosystem. There's other deep ends building on
there. So overall, we just thought we like Solana.
We thought it was a... you know, a good option
for what we, we didn't want to have to worry
so much about that part. And we, that's kind
of essentially how we base it. I think is, I
think it was a great choice. Obviously you also
want to choose a layer one that has a lot of
liquidity in the ecosystem. And Solana certainly
has that right now. And it does seem like most
deep end projects are on Solana now. And there's
been a lot that started elsewhere that pivoted
over. We're seeing some now go to base, but.
I think Solana is like the leader right now for
deep end projects. Obviously, there's some deep
end specific blockchains that are starting to
launch. But no, I think that's a fantastic decision.
Do you have any idea of late, early Q1? I mean,
what are you guys targeting? I would, to be on
the safe side, I would say middle to late. And
the reason for that is that there's some interesting
stuff that we're working on that would make that
work very well. Okay. Yeah, I was going to say,
are there any exciting announcements you might
be able to talk about? Maybe vaguely, if not
too specifically, anything you can tease? I actually
am sitting on some super, super exciting announcements.
But like I told you, we can do a follow -up when
they're actually set in stone. Okay. And we can
do that. But it hurts me to not be able to talk
about them now, to be honest. All right. We can
definitely do a follow -up. So I want to get
this out. I want to get this out so that people
can learn about this project, get their pre -orders
in on their equipment. I'll put a link in the
description for anyone wanting to order WingBits
equipment so you can get a deployment up and
start participating. And that is expected. That
new one's expected in January to start shipping.
So we're almost there. Hard to believe. Time
flies, really. Well, Robin, hey, I appreciate
you making the time. I know you're over in Sweden.
We have a little bit of a time difference here.
I'm glad we were able to nail down time to talk
here. And really cool stuff what you all are
doing. I think this project really has legs.
I'm excited to see where things go. And I'm also
excited to do the follow -up discussion and talk
about this stuff. that you're teasing here. Is
there anything else you want to add before we
close out here? No, thanks for having me on.
And for anyone that's interested in checking
it out, I'd say the best place to check it out
is either the website, but also join our Discord
if you want to ask questions. And before ordering
your hardware, go and check our map to see the
other deployed stations around the world and
their coverage to kind of determine. uh if the
area is suitable for you or if you want to find
uh another location we can host it thanks robin
again appreciate your time looking forward to
our next discussion yeah thanks man