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Hello and welcome back to Over My Dead Pod.

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I'm your host for the day, Holly Speer.

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This is Kate Carter.

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And I'm Kylie Colwell.

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All right.

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So as I start every episode, this is my case today.

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So with that being said, let's get on to the unexplained death of Kendrick Johnson.

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Oh, oh, oh, this is this is different.

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Do you know it?

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No.

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Kylie, is this, is this the gym mat?

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Oh my God, this is the gym mat.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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I cannot believe you're doing this one.

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Wow.

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I just got goosebumps.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I this is one of the first cases that I remember listening to on crime junkie and it just got

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me hooked on crime junkie because I was like, this is freaking bonkers.

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So yeah, gotta do this one.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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This is going to be good.

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You guys, this is going to be good.

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I have, I already have so many theories.

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Yeah.

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I already have.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So usually I would be like, okay, we'll talk about our theories at the end, but I just

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want you all to tell me throughout the episode what you're thinking because so much changes

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as evidence gets revealed.

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Yeah.

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And as I talk about it, you're going to have like multiple different feelings of like,

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oh my gosh, I think it's this.

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No, never mind.

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Forget it.

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Throw it out the window.

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I think it's this.

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It's just how I was.

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That's how everyone is.

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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Just, and it's okay if your opinion changes because a lot of people's has, has, has changed,

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but we will just hop right into it.

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So this is a really hard case because it's a case of a mysterious death.

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There are many that believe that this was a tragic, crazy freak accident, an accident

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where someone was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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But there are many believe that this case is something much more sinister.

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And there are about 50 different opinions and 50 different theories of what's happened.

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And there'll be at least two theories in every turn of this case.

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And you can go down the left road or the right road and there's four paths down each road

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connecting it.

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And it's just freaking frustrating.

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But I want to get y'all's theories, y'all's thoughts.

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It's important that we talk about this case and let you decide what you think happened

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to Kendrick Johnson.

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Kendrick Johnson was a 17 year old.

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His friends and family called him KJ.

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So I might refer to him as KJ sometimes in this story.

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But Kendrick was born and raised in Val, Valdosa, Georgia.

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And Kendrick was an athlete.

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He played three different sports at his high school and he wanted to play college football

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and he had dreams of playing professionally one day.

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So I will also say Kendrick is black and I say that because it's important to the story.

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People think that what happened in this case may have been based off the fact that Kendrick

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was black.

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And this is because there are still some undertones of racism in the city of Valdosa, Georgia.

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That to say I'm not calling the town racist.

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If you're from there, I'm not saying you're racist or anything like that.

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But there are credible news reports and news stories that claim that there are still racist

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events happening in that town.

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So we know that there's reports of it.

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So it's driven through Valdosa, it is in southern Georgia and it's your typical southern

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Georgian town.

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Just say that.

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Yeah, keep that vibe in mind, maybe.

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That's good to know.

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I've never driven through there, heard of it before this case.

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So, today is Thursday, January 10th, 2013.

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And Kendrick's mother is expecting him to be home.

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He'll be home any minute and Kendrick's plan of the day was to go to school and then afterwards

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he was going to go to the basketball game and then just come straight home.

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But as evening turned to night, Kendrick's mom began to worry.

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She expected Kendrick would be home no later than seven.

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But then eight o'clock, nine o'clock, ten o'clock, eleven o'clock rolls around and

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she knows that something is not right.

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By this time, she's called Kendrick multiple times on his cell phone over and over, but

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he doesn't pick up.

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So then she just gets in her car and drives to the school.

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She's thinking he's still probably like hanging out with friends or pulling like some kind

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of pulling something, hanging out at a friend's house, didn't tell her something.

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But she pulls up to Laundice High School where Kendrick went to school and the school is

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completely dead.

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It's dark inside, no cars in the parking lot, all the doors are locked up.

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It's obvious that Kendrick was not there.

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It's now after midnight and Kendrick's mother cannot wait any longer.

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She files a missing persons report.

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In the morning, Kendrick's mother doesn't know what else to do, but to go down to the

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school to see if maybe Kendrick might show up for class.

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So she's thinking if he did stay out all night with his friends, the only place that

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he would have to go other than her house in the morning is school.

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So she shows up there.

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She goes to the counselor's office and the counselor is like, let's start asking people,

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let's start printing missing persons posters.

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So the counselor's being very helpful.

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And this is when the counselor finds out from Kendrick's teachers that he did not show up

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for the last two periods of school the day before.

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They do know that at 1.30 PM that day before Kendrick had been spotted walking into the

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gym of the school.

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They would all soon learn that Kendrick had never left the building and that he was definitely

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no longer alive.

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The counselor would learn that that morning a group of students were hanging out in the

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gym before class.

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And this was the older gym where the school kept their gym equipment.

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Part of this gym equipment was a cluster of mats in the corner of the room.

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There were those thick foam mats that you would see used for cheerleading, wrestling,

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like tumbling activities.

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There's probably like 10 to 15 mats and they're six feet tall.

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They're rolled up and they're stacked side by side.

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So like up and down stacked vertically.

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Yes, up and down.

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It was in these mats that the students noticed something sticking out of the mats.

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It was something white and it looked kind of like a foot.

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So these students climbed up the bleachers that were beside the mats so that they could

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see, so they could look down over them.

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And it was from up here that they could tell there was definitely a person in the mat.

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There was someone in the middle of the roll, someone in the middle of the mats, in the

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middle of the cluster of the mats, and they start calling out to this kid, do you need

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help?

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How did you get down there?

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And the students quickly realized that the kid was not moving a muscle at all.

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Something was terribly wrong.

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So they run to go get a teacher and the teacher at the same time runs over there and calls

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police.

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The teacher thinks that this kid is stuck in the mats.

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So they put the mat like over on its side, like they topple it over so that it's laying

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parallel to the ground, you know, it's like the mats on the ground.

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And the mats not even unrolled yet, but immediately they smell something terrible coming from the

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mat.

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She knows at that point, he or she knows at that point that the person inside the mat

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is dead and not to touch it.

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So they don't even unroll the mat.

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The police quickly arrive and they were quick to realize that this was the body of 17 year

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old Kendrick Johnson.

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Just breaking the scene down a little, the body was found in the old gym of the school.

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There is two gyms, the old gym and the new gym.

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Like I said, in the old gym, this is where the school kept a lot of their gym equipment,

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kind of along the walls.

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And students would hang out in this gym, play like little pickup games of basketball before

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or after class, and obviously part of these, part of this equipment was these mats and

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these mats were that were normally there were always stacked in this corner.

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On this day, the day Kendrick's body was found, the students had been back from winter break

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for three days and Kendrick would go missing on that second day.

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It was said that before winter break, half the mats have been standing up vertically

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and the other half were parallel to the ground laying down horizontally.

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But now they were all upright on the day that Kendrick was found.

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Remember this because it's kind of important for later, but I think the school said that

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they might have cleaned the gym and therefore all the mats that were stacked the wrong way

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had now been stood up straight.

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This would have been before Kendrick's body was found.

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This would have been like winter break.

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This happened.

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Then the kids came back.

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They'd been back for two days.

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That's when Kendrick would have gone missing was that second day.

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So does that make sense?

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So that very afternoon, right after Kendrick's body was removed from the school, the sheriff

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would get up and make a public statement about the death of Kendrick Johnson.

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The sheriff said that on January 10th, Kendrick had an athletic class.

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For this athletic class, students had to like bring their athletic clothes or store them

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at the school.

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So you know, like your shorts, tennis shoes, whatever they assigned you to like wear, you

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had to change into your gym clothes before gym class.

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Knowing high school kids, I'm sure they're always forgetting their gym clothes.

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It was the same for me when I was in junior high.

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We had an athletic period and we had like these designated shirt like Russaville shirt

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that we had to wear with like the shorts and you had to bring them or store them at the

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school and I was always forgetting them.

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So I'd always have to like go to the office, call my parents, tell them to come bring my

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gym clothes because I had gym that day.

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And it was like alternating days, you know, like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I had gym

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or Tuesday, Thursday or whatever.

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So I think it's kind of the same way in Kendrick's school.

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The school also had the option to let kids pay for lockers to store their clothes if

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they didn't want to bring them every day.

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But Kendrick and his friend had a better idea.

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What Kendrick did was he and a friend shared a pair of tennis shoes and I guess that they

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had gym on different days.

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So they were able to like put them, like share them on different days, you know?

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Like hey, he wears them, the next day.

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So they would keep this pair of tennis shoes at the school and just hide them in these

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old gym mats that were rolled up.

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I think the ones that were laid on the ground, they would just stick their shoes inside of

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the rolled up gym mat that was on the ground so that they could change in them before gym

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class, put them back the next day, the next kid gets to wear them.

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But as we know, now all of the mats are stacked vertically.

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So the sheriff's theory is that Kendrick climbed up on the bleachers so that he could see

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over the mats looking for his shoes.

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And I'll also say about these bleachers, they're not really bleachers.

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They're actually just like two bleachers high.

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They're not like what you would think a bleacher would be like from floor to the ceiling of

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the gym.

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There's all these bleachers.

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It's two.

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It's literally two.

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Like two rows?

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Like two bleachers high.

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You know what I mean?

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Like one step, two step and you can sit.

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So the sheriff's theory is that Kendrick climbs up on these bleachers so that he could see

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over these mats and Kendrick apparently sees his shoes at the bottom of the mat.

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So Kendrick jumps off the bleachers into the rolled up mat, squeezes himself inside of

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the rolled up mat, reaching for his shoes and ends up wiggling his way towards the bottom

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of the mat.

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Cause these mats, these, these are rolled up tight.

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It's not like you jump and you fall to the bottom.

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You would, you'd have to wiggle.

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I mean, I'm, I'm just like, I'm calling bullshit.

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Yeah.

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Already.

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Yeah.

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Kylie looks like you want to say something.

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I mean, he's in high school.

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This isn't like a five year old that would think, oh, the most efficient way for me to

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get something that's in the bottom of these mats.

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Through the top.

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Climb through the top.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to jump in it.

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Yeah.

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I'm just going to dive headfirst into the mats.

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I would just.

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And the mat's for what?

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Six foot tall.

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Like he's.

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He's tall.

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He's probably five foot something.

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Yeah.

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They're not, we all know these mats.

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They're not that heavy.

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No.

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Your first thought would not be jump through the top.

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How do you get out?

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You don't like, so that's not.

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Yeah.

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Red flags all over the place.

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Yeah.

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So I'm going to, I'm going to send you guys the picture of the rolled up mats.

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I mean, I know these mats.

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We've had to roll them up and jump us.

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They can be heavy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I will say they can be heavy, but like you wouldn't.

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Jump in them.

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No.

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And also two bleachers, one step, two steps.

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You're not going to be able to do a dive into a mat.

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Yeah.

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What, I mean, I guess I had in my head that they were even bigger than this.

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And then when I saw this picture, I was like, okay, that looks like it's not that much taller

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than me.

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There's no way that I would think that it would be the best way to get something that's

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like inside the mat to jump inside.

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Like I also can't imagine there's that much room inside.

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Like I don't even think a body would, his shoulders would not be able to go in.

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Yeah.

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So we'll talk about on its own.

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Yeah.

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I guess the only plausible thing is if he, I mean, I don't know where the mat was, like

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the location of the mat he was in, like in relation to the other mats, but if he climbed

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up on the bleachers to the top of the mats to see which one the shoes were in, I don't

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know.

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Red flags, red flags.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't really make sense, but.

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And at the beginning, there was people who were saying he fell into the mat.

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I don't think that that, I think if you fall, you're not, you're not falling off two sets

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of like a small set of bleachers.

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You're not falling head first into these mats.

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Not head first.

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You might get a leg stuck, but no.

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You might trip on the bleacher and like fall and then you like knock them all over and

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you're not like falling straight into the hole.

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I mean, that's like a cartoon, you know, it doesn't happen.

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When his body was found, he had one arm at his side and then one arm reaching up in front

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of him.

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Kendrick gets stuck in the middle, in the middle of the mat Kendrick is unable to move

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and he is eventually unable to breathe.

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He lays there stuck until he dies from positional asphyxiation.

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So positional asphyxiation, if you're like me and you had no idea what that is, it is

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when an individual's body position interferes with their ability to breathe because of the

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position your body's in, you can't breathe, it leads to your death.

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It can happen when a person is like restrained in an odd position with like your neck too

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far back or your neck too far forward.

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This can also happen in like law enforcement situations.

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So they have to be trained to know what positional asphyxiation is.

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In Kendrick's case, the police's theory is that when he wiggled his way into the mat,

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his body was blocking any oxygen from getting to his face because he was head burst and

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so that made it difficult to breathe.

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He was being squeezed, his body's constricted, but he also is not getting fresh oxygen.

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Ultimately, he suffocated after a matter of time.

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When Kendrick's family is told of the police's theory, they are told before their son's body

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has even moved from the school.

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So this may be one of the biggest issues that I have with this case is how do you make this

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decision so quickly?

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You're not getting to see camera footage, you're not interviewing people.

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I mean, I don't know if they interviewed people before they told them that, but you're not,

334
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I mean, I'd be interviewing the entire school.

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You're not autopsying his body.

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You're making this rash decision.

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And I think when you form an opinion so early, everything else is kind of tainted.

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It's confirmation bias, everything that you do then is going to be to solidify your opinion

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that this is what happened.

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I agree.

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So Kendrick's family thinks this is crazy.

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Also they don't think that that's something that he would do.

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Like most people don't, dives head first into bleachers.

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If he saw his shoe, his parents think that he would just go tip over the mat.

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He's a strong athletic kid.

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He's just going to go tip over the mat probably with one hand and grab his freaking shoe.

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It doesn't make sense.

348
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Yeah.

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If you wouldn't do it, like I don't know why the police didn't think like, oh, if we wouldn't

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do something like that, this kid's not going to do it either.

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I mean, he's not a kid.

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I mean, he's a kid, but he's in high school.

353
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You know, he's not like, like Kate said, he's not five.

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Then I thought, what if the shoe was stuck in the middle of the mat?

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Oh, it's just about to say that.

356
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Yeah.

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I mean, he thought that he could reach down into the mat and then he like kept slipping,

358
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kept slipping, kept slipping.

359
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But the problem with that is that the mat is 14 inches across.

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So if he did like stuff his shoe into the mat, I can't see it.

361
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I can't see that it's still being in there if it was turned up right.

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What did they say?

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One of his arms was in front of him.

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Like what makes it for him to be reaching into the mat?

365
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Yeah.

366
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One of his arms was found above him and one by his side.

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I can see that.

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Were there no people around?

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Also, if you get stuck in a mat, are you not screaming?

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Are you not saying something?

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Like it's not.

372
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Yeah.

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I mean, if you're in an old gym with like gym doors that are built to block out noise

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from, you know, like basketball games and stuff, no one's in there.

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It's a very, I'll get to that.

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I'm going to talk more about the gym, but yeah, it's a valid point.

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So I don't know.

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I mean, the thing that I thought about was like, what if it was in the middle of the

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mat and he thought, okay, I'm going to reach my hand down in here and grab this.

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I think it'd be really hard to like balance yourself on all those mats to reach down

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there.

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But I guess I could see that possibly, but it just seems highly unlikely to me since

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the opening of the mat is 14 inches.

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I don't think I think if she would just fall to the bottom, but anyways, and also there'll

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be more that kind of makes you think that that's not possible later too.

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So maybe I'll bring that back up.

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But so yeah, what Kate said, why would he not cry out for help?

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I'll tell you also that this is a very, very small gym.

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The gym is frequently used and at the time that Kendrick went into the mat would have

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gone into the mat.

391
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But that's what happened, there were kids playing basketball in the gym.

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During?

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I decided during that makes sense.

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Does not make sense.

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Yeah, somebody would see this.

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This is in the middle of the day.

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And there's like kids on the basketball court playing like a little pickup game of basketball

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at this time.

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I Googled it.

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It takes five to six minutes to lose consciousness when you're with asphyxiation.

401
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There's people playing basketball.

402
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They would have heard him scream me.

403
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,920
And his foot was sticking out, right?

404
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,440
Yeah, I mean, it was sticking out because that's how they found him.

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I don't know if it was like immediately you're like, oh, that's a foot, but I mean, you're

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going to see someone take a dive into a mat.

407
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Yeah.

408
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You know, yeah.

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Also, let's just say even let's use Holly's body as an example.

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You're a small petite gal.

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If you're going into a mat to grab something that's in the middle and you see that you're

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stuck, you could just wiggle a little bit and the mat would fall over.

413
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Yeah.

414
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,440
Good point.

415
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You know, like that's, it doesn't make sense that the thing didn't even fall.

416
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It doesn't make sense that it didn't fall when he went into it.

417
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,680
Yeah.

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00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,640
You know, I would assume that it would just topple right over.

419
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Yeah.

420
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I agree.

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Just to add to this point, police did not treat the scene as a homicide.

422
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They treated the scene like an accident.

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So in the crime scene pictures, none of the investigators are wearing shoe coverings and

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there are many people walking through the crime scene.

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They actually found other clothing and shoes around the mat, but they were just never collected

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as evidence.

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So it would probably be nice to know who stuff that was.

428
00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,000
I think other kids did the same thing as Kendrick and his friend.

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I think that they would hide their clothes in the mats because they didn't want to buy

430
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the lockers, but it's still be nice to know like, oh, at this time I was in gym class,

431
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you know, and just like know that maybe there was not somebody in the mat.

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I don't know.

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Just a thought.

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But police did not think that.

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So they did not collect the clothes.

436
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,840
They didn't really collect basically anything from the scene.

437
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:32,840
And then for six hours, there was no corner called to the scene.

438
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,840
How does that even make like that doesn't make sense?

439
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,280
That's such a violation of like law right there.

440
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,120
That makes no sense.

441
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:47,600
Kendrick's body laid there for six hours and critical evidence was just completely lost.

442
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,800
I'm no investigator, no cop, but I do know that legally you're supposed to call a corner

443
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immediately because that's the whole damn point of a corner.

444
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They come immediately because they record vital information like the temperature of the body,

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the cause of death, time of death, etc.

446
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,720
When that corner was asked, how does someone waiting six hours to call a corner affect

447
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your investigation?

448
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And the corner says it compromises my investigation 100%.

449
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,680
That's awful.

450
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Yeah.

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And so positional explication could have just been what the corner had to rule it because

452
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he was like, what else am I supposed to do with this?

453
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,400
I have no no evidence to base my opinion off of.

454
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Two reports would later be released by two paramedics that were actually on the scene.

455
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And the report said that when the paramedics arrived on the scene, they were basically

456
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like, what the hell?

457
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,680
Why is this scene not being treated as a homicide?

458
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,600
So even to them as paramedics, this looked like foul play.

459
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,800
These are not even investigators, they're paramedics and they're like, what the, you

460
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know?

461
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,760
Yeah, that should, I mean, that obviously should tell you something.

462
00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,760
Yeah.

463
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:05,280
And then there's a maker report that Kendrick has bruising on the right side of his jaw.

464
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And Kendrick's parents say that they were initially told nothing about bruising.

465
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In fact, they were told no bruising.

466
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So there's another issue.

467
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Yeah.

468
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It's not even typical for paramedics to make reports like this.

469
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And the paramedics that arrived to the scene were obviously so dumbfounded with how it

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was being treated that they felt the need to document something about it.

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So I think that says a lot.

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And with all those things in mind, I'm going to tell you the five main categories of evidence

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that make people believe that this was not an accident.

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Number one, and these are probably the most famous to this case are the pictures of Kendrick.

475
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,640
I'm sure you've seen them.

476
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,600
I was going to send them to you to get your raw reaction, but I know that Kylie has seen

477
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,600
them.

478
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Here she goes.

479
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They are disturbing and grotesque.

480
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,360
Yeah, they are.

481
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They're actually terrible.

482
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:05,040
So take that into consideration if you decide that you do want to go look at them.

483
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I'm sorry.

484
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,040
I haven't seen them.

485
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,520
Before you give your reaction, let me talk a little bit about it.

486
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You look at it, but I would say when you look at it, you won't know it's his face.

487
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,400
Yeah.

488
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It does not look like a human.

489
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,920
The family is finally able to see Kendrick's body for the first time and the family freaks

490
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,240
out.

491
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,560
Like we're all doing looking at the pictures right now.

492
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,040
And rightfully so.

493
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,720
They take pictures of Kendrick's body and begin posting them everywhere, demanding that

494
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:40,040
people see that this was not an accident and asking, does this look like asphyxia to you?

495
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,760
And they're pretty horrible and just know that the family did post them.

496
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,680
So I don't want people to feel like it's violating their privacy or anything because

497
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,760
the family were the ones kind of pushing these pictures out.

498
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,400
They look like somebody who was savagely beaten.

499
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,760
It doesn't even look like somebody.

500
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,560
It looks, it's unhuman like there's bruising all over his face.

501
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,560
His upper lip is swollen so big.

502
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,280
His eyes are swollen, shut, completely shut.

503
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,200
It's so graphic.

504
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:12,120
But we have to talk a little bit about this picture because this photo was not taken right

505
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,440
after Kendrick was found.

506
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,800
It was actually taken after his autopsy.

507
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,720
So I had to look this up and most people wouldn't know this.

508
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:30,280
But in an autopsy, the autopsy, er, autopsyist, I don't know, they have to examine the person's

509
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,160
brain and all their organs.

510
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,120
When they examine the brain, they have to peel back the skin on the face.

511
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,160
And this is what's making Kendrick's face look so much worse than it actually is.

512
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,360
The skin is no longer tight to the face because it's been moved and then laid back over.

513
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:53,840
Also, I mean, when anyone dies, natural or not, your body does swell up.

514
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Yeah.

515
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,000
But this is like an insane amount.

516
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,280
Yeah, this is a, it is a very insane amount.

517
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:08,800
And I think that it might be because of the autopsy, also the fact that he was hanging

518
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,160
upside down for 21 hours, over 21 hours.

519
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Most sure all the blood would pull in his face.

520
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,640
All of his blood is in his, all the blood he has left in his body is going to be in his

521
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,080
head.

522
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,760
So there's that as well.

523
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,360
Kate, are you okay?

524
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:29,840
Dude, I've seen so many pictures and I don't think I was, I don't think I was ready for

525
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,840
that.

526
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,120
I'm still staring at it right now.

527
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,160
There's a few of them that I'm just going back and forth through, but I did not see

528
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,160
that coming.

529
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,120
I thought it was just going to be like, I expected swelling because the blood rushing

530
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,120
to the head.

531
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,120
Yeah.

532
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:49,160
I don't, what I don't understand and dear God, you guys, whoever's listening to this

533
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200
podcast trigger warning for if you go and look at the pictures.

534
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,960
Biggest trigger warning ever.

535
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,160
There is so much blood.

536
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,160
Yeah.

537
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320
And that makes zero sense.

538
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:07,680
There should not be any blood if he fell into a mat and died because he couldn't breathe.

539
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:14,840
There are cuts and bruises and I mean, his body is horribly looks like there's just

540
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,520
cuts and bruises and beating marks.

541
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,240
It looks like everywhere.

542
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:28,000
So to be fair, we know that the paramedics made the report that he had bruising and there

543
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:35,640
was actually a photo taken before the autopsy and they're still in my, in my opinion, and

544
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,640
I'm no expert on anything.

545
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,880
It looks like his lips are swollen.

546
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,880
It looks like his eyes are swollen.

547
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,520
It looks like there's bruising.

548
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,160
That's just my opinion.

549
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:51,000
I know that the autopsy would have altered how he looked, but I do think that there is

550
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:59,720
reason to believe that he encountered being beat in the face or hidden in the face before

551
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,160
he died is just my opinion completely.

552
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:10,520
But Kendrick's family, they did get backlash from posting this photo and it's because people

553
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,680
felt like they were being tricked a little bit into thinking that this is how Kendrick

554
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,080
was found and it's not how he was found.

555
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,920
And I don't think that the family did this to cause controversy.

556
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,480
They probably didn't have access to photos of Kendrick before the autopsy.

557
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:31,120
This is just the first time that they're able to see their son and they're shocked and they

558
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,120
should be.

559
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,360
They also had to wait six hours for the coroner to even show up.

560
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:37,360
Yeah.

561
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,560
And then how many days for the autopsy after that?

562
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,560
Yeah.

563
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,560
Exactly.

564
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,680
So I don't think that anything was malicious on the family's part.

565
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,600
They were posting this like, what the hell?

566
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,600
This is not okay.

567
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,600
And it's not.

568
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Either way, this photo is what got people upset and this is the photo that made people

569
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,320
start demanding more answers from police.

570
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,040
And the more information that the public got, the more questions they had.

571
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,920
Number two, the second piece, the mat.

572
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,440
The mat had been rolled up and the opening was about 14 inches as we talked about.

573
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,080
But let me tell you that Kendrick's shoulders were five inches larger than the opening of

574
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,080
the mat.

575
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,760
They were 19 inches wide.

576
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,960
Doesn't make sense.

577
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,960
It doesn't.

578
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,960
It makes it.

579
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,960
So people claim it's physically impossible for Kendrick to get himself inside of this

580
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:26,960
mat.

581
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,000
Kendrick's dad tried to climb into the same mat and he couldn't get past his shoulders.

582
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,360
He could get like his neck in and that's it.

583
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Others say that Kendrick could have entered the mat with his hand above his head and squeezed

584
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,280
his shoulders in to make himself as slim as possible.

585
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,040
And the foam, I guess, probably would have given a little bit because it's like a squishy

586
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,600
foam and this may have allowed him to get his shoulders in because Kendrick was found

587
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
with one arm above his head and one by his waist.

588
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,600
So that would make your shoulders a little bit smaller, possibly.

589
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,840
That kind of adds to the point of him reaching for something to squeeze his shoulders.

590
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,240
Then there's the issue of like momentum.

591
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,880
If Kendrick is found in the middle of the mat with his feet only slightly sticking out

592
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,920
of the other side, how would he be able to force his body down further?

593
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Like wouldn't you just if you fall into the mat, wouldn't you just stop at your shoulders?

594
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:30,360
The only thing I can think of is if the opening was wider or he kind of widened it by kind

595
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:37,320
of scurrying into it, but his body being in the middle of it kind of constricted the mat

596
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,680
and made it tighter after he was already inside.

597
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Yeah.

598
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,760
And the problem that I have with that is if he did wiggle himself around enough to make

599
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,160
the whole wider, the mat would have been found stretched out, but the mat was found tightly

600
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,680
rolled around him like squeezing him.

601
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,120
So that's hard too.

602
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,120
But I get that.

603
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,560
I get where there is a world that that could happen.

604
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,560
I don't know.

605
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,660
We'll go to the third issue, which is the shoes.

606
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:13,760
So we know that Kendrick was reaching for those gym shoes or allegedly he was reaching

607
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,240
for those gym shoes.

608
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,720
There also should be shoes that he was wearing.

609
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,160
So that's two pairs of shoes.

610
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,840
So let's talk about the shoes that Kendrick was supposedly reaching for.

611
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,880
One of those shoes is inside of the mat under his body, and then one of them is outside

612
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,880
of the mat.

613
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040
So he's not reaching for a pair of shoes.

614
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,480
He's reaching for one shoe.

615
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Which I guess makes sense if he reached in with one hand, got one of the shoes, tossed

616
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,360
it out, reached in further for the other one.

617
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,960
I don't get how you toss it out though.

618
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,480
If your body can barely fit in it, you don't reach your hand back up and toss it out.

619
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,480
That's a lot of shoe.

620
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,080
It can be really awkward and hard to get through the mat.

621
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,720
Well, I guess if the first shoe wasn't that far deep, like arm's length, he was just

622
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,200
reaching down with his arm, was able to pull it out.

623
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280
I guess in the process, the other one fell deeper.

624
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,280
Yeah.

625
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360
That's the only thing that I can think of too.

626
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,040
I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

627
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,040
Sorry.

628
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,040
No.

629
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,480
I just thought of that as well.

630
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Maybe the shoe fell further and he's like, I can reach it.

631
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,480
I can see it.

632
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
I can almost get to it and he keeps going.

633
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,880
I do see a world where that could happen.

634
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,200
Also there is a pool of blood under Kendrick.

635
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,800
And this is because all of Kendrick's blood has pulled in his head and he's deceased

636
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,680
now and it is now coming out of his face.

637
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880
And I know it's terrible to hear, but it's really important to the story and this is

638
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,360
not uncommon for this to happen in this positional asphyxiation or if he was beat up.

639
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,040
Either way, this would have happened and this is what happens when people die.

640
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Your blood's no longer circulating.

641
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,160
It's pooling in one area of your body.

642
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,400
If it can come out, it will.

643
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,600
So this is where we get the pooling of the blood at the bottom of the mat.

644
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,000
But here's what's odd and this is what makes it not an accident to me is that the shoe

645
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:12,320
that Kendrick is supposedly reaching for is on top of the pool of blood.

646
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,880
And Kendrick is hanging over the shoe and there's no blood on the shoe, not a speck

647
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,240
of blood on the shoe.

648
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,720
It doubles out the shoe.

649
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,720
I know.

650
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Yeah, Kylie.

651
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,920
Play doubles advocate now, man.

652
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,600
It doesn't make sense.

653
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,880
I just went while you were talking, I was looking at some of the crime scene photos and again,

654
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,960
trigger warning for anybody who wants to look at them, but it doesn't.

655
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,480
One of the shoes was on top of the pile of blood, which makes no sense.

656
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:47,800
But then the other shoe was still in the mat, but it was on the other end, wasn't it?

657
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,200
So like that makes sense.

658
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,320
I'll talk about that.

659
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:56,560
So Kendrick's shoes that he had on his feet that he was supposed to have on his feet,

660
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800
those are what you see at the top of the mat.

661
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,000
The white ones.

662
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,240
The white ones that are kind of.

663
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360
He's reaching for the black pair.

664
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Yes.

665
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Okay.

666
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,880
He's reaching for the black pair.

667
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:14,880
The white pair is on his is in the mat, like kind of tucked under him.

668
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,680
So he doesn't have shoes on when he's found.

669
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,360
His shoes are taken off and they're tucked under his leg.

670
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920
It makes no sense, but they're in the mat with him.

671
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,920
In the mat with him.

672
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,440
It doesn't make sense that he was off, but in the mat with him.

673
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,720
No, I don't think they would have fallen off of his feet.

674
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:33,280
When going into the mat, it looks like they were stuffed there.

675
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,280
It does.

676
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,440
It looks like they were stuffed.

677
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,840
They're like behind his butt.

678
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,840
Yeah.

679
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,840
Yeah.

680
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,840
The back of his leg.

681
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,840
Like, yes, behind his butt.

682
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,840
I sent you guys the picture of the shoe.

683
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,600
I think you've probably already seen it because it's all over, but the shoe is completely

684
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,600
clean.

685
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Y'all, I mean, there's not a speck of blood on it.

686
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,440
If you are, if you are dripping blood over it, there's no way it doesn't get on the

687
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,440
shoe.

688
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,520
The shoe is sitting on the pile of sitting on the pool of blood.

689
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,880
The family thinks that this is a staged accident, but my thing too is like for this to be a

690
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,440
stage accident, they kind of would have had to know that Kendrick would be reaching for

691
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,520
a shoe, which would be like a weird thing to know.

692
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,720
Maybe, you know, that he left his shoes in the gym mat.

693
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:18,080
I mean, I guess it's possible, but I don't know, you know, like how would they know to

694
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,560
put the shoe?

695
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Kendrick would have to be dead in the mat, be leaking the blood, and then someone go back

696
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,600
and put the shoe on top of the blood.

697
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:35,040
Yeah, I don't know if high schoolers would have that wherewithal to think about that.

698
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,200
I know, I know, and this is where it's so frustrating is it's like I can get with the

699
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:47,360
staged thing, but it's like, I don't, I can't get behind the reasoning of it, you know,

700
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,320
like they have to know he keeps the shoe there, they have to know he was reaching for it,

701
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,960
they'd have to think about, we're going to make it look like he just jumped in the mat,

702
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,920
and then I don't know, you know?

703
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,920
I mean, I don't know.

704
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,640
Did you guys know about positional asphyxiation when you were in high school?

705
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Because I surely did not.

706
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,840
I did not.

707
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,760
Did Kendrick reach for the shoe and then drop it after he was dead?

708
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,480
Like did he actually get the shoe from the ground that he was reaching for?

709
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,200
And then when he died, like let go?

710
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,200
I don't know, I don't know, I can't think of anything.

711
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,960
This is the part that's so confusing to me.

712
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,080
I mean, I feel like the blood, I mean, so gross coming out of his face, it would be

713
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,240
a slow process.

714
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,240
Yeah.

715
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:38,080
The shoe falling out of his grasp would be fairly quickly.

716
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Yeah.

717
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640
There would be blood on the shoe.

718
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,640
There would be blood on the shoe.

719
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,800
I have to agree either way.

720
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,360
People who believe Kendrick was murdered believe that when Kendrick's body was rolled up in

721
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:56,240
the mat, his shoes were taken off and rolled up with him to allow them to roll the mat

722
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,240
tighter.

723
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,640
Like if he didn't have his shoes on, it's like the bulkiest part of his body is like

724
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:01,640
his shoes.

725
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,440
And so they took them off, threw them in the mat, rolled them up is what the people who

726
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,440
think he was killed.

727
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,920
That's their theory on the shoes that should have been on his feet.

728
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,040
I don't know if you're going to get to this probably.

729
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,880
I mean, he's a teenage boy who plays sports.

730
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:21,400
I don't know if you said how big he is, but to roll up a body in a gym at this, assuming

731
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,760
me by another high school student, so take more than one person.

732
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,760
Yeah.

733
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,760
I agree.

734
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480
It's hard to think of any other circumstance.

735
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,280
However, the other side is that the people that believe that this was a tragic accident

736
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,880
theorized that Kendrick could have taken them off to get inside of the mat.

737
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,960
They fell behind him.

738
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,600
And then as he wiggled his way through the mat, they became lodged under him.

739
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,080
So that's kind of the other side of the theory.

740
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,880
I could see that.

741
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,880
Perfect circumstances.

742
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,880
Yeah.

743
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:58,040
It would have to be a very perfect circumstance or that in all of the struggling to get in

744
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,120
or out of the mat, his shoes just came off as he was wiggling around to try to get in

745
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,480
or out and they became lodged around his legs.

746
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,160
The next issue we can talk about is the blood.

747
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,600
There was blood found elsewhere in the gym.

748
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,000
There was blood found in the girl's bathroom on some paper towels.

749
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,080
And then there was a blood streak on the gym wall near the mats.

750
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,240
We know if it's his blood.

751
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,280
So the blood was tested and it did not match Kendrick.

752
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,280
And they said that they thought the blood had been there for a long time.

753
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,160
I mean, I don't know how you know that because if you thought the blood had been there for

754
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,840
a long time, why would you not clean it up with the hell?

755
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,480
Like, oh, that blood's been there forever.

756
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,840
Like clean it up with the heck.

757
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,840
Right.

758
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,340
It's not happening.

759
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:50,440
That's all that happened, though.

760
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,440
It was only tested.

761
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,520
It doesn't match Kendrick.

762
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,320
It wasn't tested against anyone else.

763
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,080
And the blood was not stored.

764
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,080
So we don't know.

765
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,440
I mean, I guess if there was wrestling going on in the gym or I mean any sport, I don't

766
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,440
know.

767
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,440
Yeah.

768
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,640
I don't know how to totally get with that, but keep the sample.

769
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,640
Yeah.

770
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040
I have to show you guys the picture of the blood really quick.

771
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Okay.

772
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,240
The blood in the girl's bathroom might be normal.

773
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,520
Blood in bathrooms, not that shocking.

774
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,320
Girls bathrooms, not that shocking.

775
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,320
That's a lot of blood.

776
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,520
The streak on the wall is what's abnormal to me.

777
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,920
That's what I just sent you guys.

778
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080
They're pretty long streaks of blood.

779
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,320
And like Kylie was saying, it might be normal for there to be blood in a gym where people

780
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,600
are playing sports, but this is two long streaks of blood.

781
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,680
And it's the length of like two cinder blocks at least on the wall.

782
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,720
And they look like they would be noticeable to me.

783
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,880
So why would you not clean them up?

784
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:51,880
That's so great.

785
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,880
Yeah.

786
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,880
Like that's not normal for that to just be there.

787
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,160
Also, they were, they cleaned up the gym during winter break.

788
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Right.

789
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Yeah.

790
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,120
That's definitely noticeable.

791
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,620
So noticeable.

792
00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:10,440
I just don't get why it wasn't cleaned up, whatever.

793
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,840
Maybe this was random blood in a gym where kids play contact sports and it just didn't

794
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,360
get cleaned up.

795
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,280
Or maybe Kendrick got into a fight.

796
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Maybe there was an altercation.

797
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,960
Maybe something went too far or maybe something terrible was planned to happen to Kendrick.

798
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,480
But the investigators ditched this evidence when it didn't match Kendrick and we'll never

799
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,840
know whose blood it is.

800
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,040
I'm sure they definitely did not do this because it doesn't sound like they're really

801
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,000
investigating this.

802
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,720
But if he got into a fight and it wasn't his blood, surely there would be someone else

803
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,560
at the school who looked like they got into a fight.

804
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,560
That's true.

805
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,560
That is true.

806
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,560
And I wish I knew.

807
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,240
I wish I knew, but we know literally nothing.

808
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:59,160
You have one, the pictures that the families release, two, the diameter of the mat, three,

809
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,360
the shoes with no blood, and then four, the blood in the gym.

810
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,440
And finally, there's number five and this is the video.

811
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,800
And yes, the school has video cameras.

812
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,840
And this becomes one of the most talked about issues of the case.

813
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,200
To start, the very first problem with this is that we know police did not collect anything

814
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,160
from the day Kendrick was found.

815
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,520
And that includes the footage.

816
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,240
The police just asked the school for the footage that they have.

817
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:34,520
Again, I'm no cop, no investigator, but they don't come in and they don't take the surveillance

818
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,520
footage.

819
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,800
They asked for it from the school a while later.

820
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,400
So the school has all of this time to sit with the footage, possibly alter it or subject

821
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,360
it to being contaminated by someone not at the school, at the school, we don't know.

822
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,920
The police basically just trusted the school to give them what they thought was important.

823
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,040
So essentially the school is getting to cherry pick the evidence to turn over what they want.

824
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,540
And guess what?

825
00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:05,920
There is over an hour's worth of film completely missing from the film.

826
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,920
Of course.

827
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,720
That make any sense.

828
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:09,720
Yeah.

829
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:14,840
A forensic video surveillance specialist looked at the file and said that based on what he

830
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:21,040
analyzed, the school did not give the original copy of the film.

831
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,560
And something had been altered.

832
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,240
The image quality had been tampered with.

833
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,960
It was much grainier than it should have been.

834
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,920
And a number of files had been completely corrupted from the processing.

835
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,720
And there's a hole in time where no cameras provide any record.

836
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,240
So there are four cameras in the gym total.

837
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:51,480
Camera one records until 12.04 p.m. stops and then starts again at 109 p.m.

838
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Camera two records until 11.05 stops and then picks back up at 115 p.m.

839
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,800
Camera three records until 105 p.m. stops picks back up 116 p.m.

840
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:12,040
Camera four records until 12.04 stops and then picks back up at 109 p.m.

841
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Are these like, are they supposed to be all continuously recording or they are like one

842
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,000
at a time or motion activated?

843
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,680
So yeah, I'm about to get to that.

844
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,680
So the camera that should have been facing the mat was completely blurry.

845
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,760
So that was completely useless.

846
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:34,040
I read reports that the school tried to explain this gap in time of this over an hour.

847
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,920
All the cameras were motion activated and hooked up to different servers.

848
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,120
So if there was no one moving in front of the camera at the time, it would be dormant

849
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,440
and not recording.

850
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,200
So hence the gaps in the footage time a little bit, a little bit, like from here and there.

851
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,800
But this is an hour and 20 minutes or so.

852
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,880
So I don't know about this.

853
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,600
All four cameras stop at almost not exactly the same time, but around about the same time.

854
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,200
And I mean, maybe no one's walking in front of them at the time, but we know Kendrick

855
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,200
is.

856
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,840
We know that there's a pickup basketball game playing at the time.

857
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,400
So they're working all the other times, but not this whole hour.

858
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,280
There's no one walking in front of the camera a whole hour, which we know is not even the

859
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,280
case.

860
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,280
It could explain some gaps, maybe a minute that no one's in front of that camera, but

861
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,240
I don't think it explains over an hour's worth of film just completely gone.

862
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:26,240
No.

863
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:33,000
The family is rightfully outraged and they take to social media to share Kendrick's story.

864
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Let's talk about some possible motives.

865
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Kendrick's family 14 months before Kendrick's death had said that Kendrick had an altercation

866
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,240
with another student.

867
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,560
Kendrick and the student were teammates on the football team and had gotten to a fight

868
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,440
on the bus ride back from a football game.

869
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,300
Kendrick's family claims that Kendrick and the student had ongoing problems for a long

870
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,160
time that continued until he died.

871
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,800
Kendrick's family thinks that Kendrick's death is a result of another altercation between

872
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Kendrick and the student.

873
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,000
His family claims that the student and his brother have connections to law enforcement,

874
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,240
a connection that would prevent eyes from being on them.

875
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:15,120
So these two boys have a father who is an FBI agent.

876
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:24,760
So with that being said, one of the brothers is picked up by security cameras at the school

877
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,320
on the completely other end of the side of the school at the same time that Kendrick

878
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,800
would have died.

879
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,160
And another brother is at a wrestling match at that time.

880
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,960
And there's a lot of controversy in the beginning by people like trying to figure out what time

881
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,640
his bus left because he had this game at four and someone released a record that said that

882
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:47,960
they actually left at four.

883
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,600
So there was all this like stuff going on about that.

884
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:57,520
But they realized that he did actually leave at 1230 and Kendrick is spotted at 130.

885
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,600
So I don't know if that theory really checks out.

886
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,160
But the family says, well, his dad's an FBI agent.

887
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,360
They can alter whatever they want.

888
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,480
I don't know.

889
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,960
I don't know any FBI agents.

890
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,120
So I don't know what I don't know what the FBI can do.

891
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,920
I don't know nothing about nothing.

892
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,560
But that's what they say.

893
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
So you'll know any FBI agents.

894
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:31,520
I mean, we've worked with some, but I don't know just one lone FBI agent could go in and

895
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,520
change evidence.

896
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,720
And then that's what I was thinking too.

897
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,040
Yeah, it would have to be a lot of people.

898
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,040
A lot of people.

899
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,520
A big secret conspiracy.

900
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,520
Yeah.

901
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,520
Yeah.

902
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,200
The family hires a private autopsy to be done on Kendrick.

903
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,000
They exhumed Kendrick's body and they conduct the autopsy.

904
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,520
Now the autopsy is done by William Anderson.

905
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,400
And William Anderson is a famous autopsy or autopsy or if that's how you say that.

906
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,600
But anyways, he's well known and he's done some high profile autopsy's and he has worked

907
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,520
with Michael Baden, which Kylie is a fan of.

908
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,200
I love him.

909
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,200
Last episode.

910
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,200
So much.

911
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,360
The OG.

912
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,960
So yeah, he's a good autopsy.

913
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,960
He's not just like they didn't just find him on the road, you know.

914
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:27,120
Dr. Anderson opens Kendrick's body and finds that all of his organs have been removed and

915
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,560
not replaced.

916
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,840
We know he's had one autopsy done.

917
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,960
So yeah, removed but not replaced.

918
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,360
But they had been replaced with newspaper.

919
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,360
I'm sorry.

920
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,360
What?

921
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,840
That does not seem up to code.

922
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,560
Yeah, it's not.

923
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Kylie, have you ever seen them do this on the autopsy show that you watch?

924
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,640
No, because usually they do remove the organs and they'll take, especially if it's, I don't

925
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,000
know, like homicide or unexplained deaths, they'll remove them and they'll test like

926
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,680
they'll take little samples from each organ and do tests on them.

927
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,880
But what they'll do is they'll put them all in a bag and put them back in your abdomen.

928
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Right.

929
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,880
Right.

930
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Right.

931
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,240
So as Kylie said, it's routine for the organs of the body to be removed in an autopsy.

932
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:20,120
They're tested and in some controversial cases, they may even be stored as evidence or replaced

933
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,440
back in the body, like Kylie said.

934
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,680
But you have to, if you're not going to put them back in the body, you have to replace

935
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,360
them with something.

936
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:36,280
And sometimes in some places, I guess that they use newspaper as like low budget situations.

937
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,440
It's not the best practice, but it's not unheard of.

938
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,720
It would be more ideal to use like cotton or big pads.

939
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,840
It's not like wrong to do in their profession.

940
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,240
I think that the situation that we're in is the funeral home had offered to do the funeral

941
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:55,360
of Kendrick Johnson for free for the family and they were trying to be as inexpensive as

942
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,000
possible.

943
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,480
People that don't know how this works are like outraged to hear his organs were gone

944
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,840
and replaced with newspapers.

945
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,640
And some people were obviously going crazy over this, but the Georgia state officials

946
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,760
get involved and they investigate the funeral home and they say that this was not wrong

947
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,720
doing on their part.

948
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,040
But what is more concerning is that the organs were not stored.

949
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,240
And they're not in his body.

950
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:21,480
Where the hell are they?

951
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,480
They're lost.

952
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,800
How do you lose?

953
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,720
Sorry, they got thrown away.

954
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:27,720
They got thrown away.

955
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:28,720
Yeah.

956
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,960
You can even throw away organs without paperwork.

957
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:40,520
You have to have someone come, a licensed person come pick up organs or dispose of them

958
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,520
properly.

959
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,840
There's a lot that goes into that.

960
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,400
And just what a violation of the family's like any consideration for the family because

961
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,400
they thought they were in there.

962
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,120
I mean, some people may feel very strongly about their loved one being buried whole as

963
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:59,760
a, if they can be, you know, if they're not going to keep the organs for evidence, then

964
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,840
they, I mean, they might want them back in his body when he's buried.

965
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,120
So the family's pretty shocked to see that their child has no organ in their body when

966
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,480
they're dug back up.

967
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,040
It's just another outrageous thing that happens.

968
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,920
In my opinion, it's like the police's fault.

969
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,520
I think that they should know where they're at at all times.

970
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,520
They're lost.

971
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,520
They're gone.

972
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,520
It's their fault.

973
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,240
The hospital home did actually end up signing off, stipulating that they received Kendrick's

974
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:32,160
body with all of his organs and all the clothes he was wearing, but they obviously didn't because

975
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,920
we don't have his clothes or the organ.

976
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,320
That sucks too.

977
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,800
Without the organs, the medical examiner goes on to declare a new cause of death for Kendrick

978
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Johnson.

979
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:49,480
Dr. Anderson says that Kendrick Johnson died of blunt force trauma to the neck.

980
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,640
The examiner found that there was a two to three centimeter bruise around Kendrick's

981
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,440
neck, which was not listed in the original autopsy.

982
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,960
The second official autopsy states, right neck involving right mandible and soft tissue,

983
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,880
including the area of the carotid artery consistent with inflicted injury.

984
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:14,560
And then it says at the bottom, note unexplained apparent non accidental blunt force trauma,

985
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:21,160
further investigation is needed to determine the autology of the injuries.

986
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,760
March 17, 2014, an email was sent to the sheriff's department.

987
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,760
The email was sent by a teenage girl.

988
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,160
He wanted to remain anonymous and the email stated that someone had confessed to killing

989
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Kendrick.

990
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,320
The confession stated that four students had gotten together and killed Kendrick.

991
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,520
The email states, and the names are redacted and it's talking about four different people.

992
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,120
So it's kind of annoying to read, but I'll read it for you.

993
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,880
It's the email says, my best friend was at a party Saturday night with blank and blank

994
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,120
was upset about something that blank said to her.

995
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,820
So her and my best friend started talking.

996
00:51:59,820 --> 00:52:03,920
And by the end of the night, blank had told my friend everything that the whole nation

997
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,880
has been wondering for the past year.

998
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,320
She told my friend what really happened to Kendrick Johnson blank said that a little

999
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,920
over a year ago, she had sexual intercourse with Kendrick Johnson while she was dating

1000
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,160
blank.

1001
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,960
blank found out and threatened KJ.

1002
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,400
KJ told him to get to meet him in the old gym after third block.

1003
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,440
He would have his knife ready.

1004
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,640
blank blank blank and blank met KJ and killed him.

1005
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,520
blank also had been heard admitting to killing KJ more than once over the phone.

1006
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,720
His brother blank had also gotten drunk at a party on the 4th of July and told many people

1007
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:45,600
that he killed KJ and that he was tired of keeping it a secret.

1008
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,960
So just calling out the fact that it talks about brothers in there.

1009
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,560
I don't know.

1010
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,640
We talked about the first brothers from the FBI thing.

1011
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,880
So I don't know if that is where that is coming from, but just calling that out.

1012
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,600
They had an alibi.

1013
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,600
Or did they?

1014
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,640
No, just they probably did.

1015
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,080
Police investigated the four people and we don't know their names obviously.

1016
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,720
They were ruled out and they even stood in front of a grand jury and were not indicted.

1017
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,240
There's really no evidence to support that these four people I guess had anything to

1018
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,240
do with it.

1019
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,880
Apparently some or all of the four students had alibis.

1020
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,680
It's kind of a he said she said kind of situation.

1021
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:34,560
I do think it's plausible because of the fact that just because I think that more than one

1022
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,800
person would have had to do this.

1023
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,720
And I mean the motive kind of makes sense for like high school kids, but I don't I don't

1024
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,800
know.

1025
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,600
Nothing ever comes of this because the grand jury did not find enough evidence to indict

1026
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,360
anyone named in the email.

1027
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:56,840
The Johnson family ended up filing a wrongful death lawsuit against the county board of education,

1028
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,320
its superintendents and principal of the high school in 2014.

1029
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:06,760
The suit alleged that Johnson was violently assaulted, severely injured and greatly suffered

1030
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,120
physical pain and mental anguish and was subjected to insults and loss of life.

1031
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:18,560
On January 10th, 2013, the suit alleged that defendant ignored reports that previously that

1032
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,760
Johnson had been repeatedly attacked and harassed by a white student.

1033
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,800
It stated that the student had quote a history of provoking and attacking Johnson at school.

1034
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,000
And the school officials failed to properly monitor the activities of students throughout

1035
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,360
all areas of the campus and maintain properly functioning video surveillance systems.

1036
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,160
The lawsuit also claimed that a student named Brandon Bell attacked Kendrick before and was

1037
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,760
bullying him.

1038
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,520
Kendrick's mother allegedly had filed reports of the student attacking Kendrick before.

1039
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,240
Brandon Bell has a brother named Brian Bell and their father Rick Bell is an FBI agent.

1040
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,960
So this is the first time we hear them named.

1041
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:02,400
Brandon and Brian actually come out and say that they were friends with Kendrick and that

1042
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,800
they had nothing to do with this.

1043
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,120
But the Kendricks would not agree that they were friends.

1044
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,520
Brandon and Brian would maintain that they had nothing to do with Kendrick's death throughout

1045
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,520
the investigation.

1046
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:19,320
January 2015, the Johnsons filed another lawsuit for $100 million claiming that the father

1047
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:25,480
of the brothers, Rick Bell, ordered his sons Brandon and Brian to kill Kendrick Johnson.

1048
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:32,120
So, nothing really comes of this because there's not really much to back this up.

1049
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:37,640
I think their family is just so mad and rightfully so and they just desperately are doing anything

1050
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,720
to find any scrap of answers that they can.

1051
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,360
It's really sad.

1052
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,040
I think this is kind of just like a far, a far thing to say.

1053
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,520
But I think they're just searching for, if an answer or two comes out of this lawsuit

1054
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,720
then it would be a win for them, you know?

1055
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:59,040
In November 2015, the family dropped the lawsuit when they suspected that the Department of

1056
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Justice was going to seek their own investigation.

1057
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:11,600
The Johnsons were then sued for $850,000 from the people that they publicly accused of killing

1058
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:12,600
Kendrick.

1059
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:18,000
So, these people that they have been accusing of killing Kendrick get together and they sue

1060
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,000
the Johnsons for attorney fees and defamation.

1061
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,320
Ebony Magazine published articles naming the two students in Johnsons case as possible

1062
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:31,120
suspects even though the boys were not named possible suspects by investigators.

1063
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:37,840
The magazine used pseudonyms but used accurate descriptions of the boys and so the Bell family

1064
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,720
filed a $5 million lawsuit against Ebony Magazine.

1065
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,400
The parents of the accused boys claimed their sons were not involved in the death and they

1066
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:51,360
were not considered suspects and they had been harassed as a result, which I'm sure

1067
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,360
they were.

1068
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,960
This was a very popular case and in the end of all these cases, the Johnsons did have

1069
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:05,280
to pay $200,000 of the $850,000 for attorney fees in 2017.

1070
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:10,680
June 2016, the Department of Justice announced that there was insufficient evidence to prove

1071
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:16,000
beyond a reasonable doubt that someone or some group of people willfully violated Kendrick

1072
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,560
Johnson's civil rights or committed any other prosecutable federal crimes.

1073
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,040
So the investigation into the incident will be closed without the filing of federal criminal

1074
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,280
charges.

1075
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,040
The department said lawyers and investigators from the Department of Justice, the United

1076
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,040
States Marshall Service and the Metropolitan Police Department for the District of Columbia

1077
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,560
conducted a thorough and comprehensive investigation of the events surrounding Kendrick's death.

1078
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:46,600
The investigation included, among other things, interviewing nearly 100 people, reviewing

1079
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,760
tens of thousands of emails and text messages, reviewing surveillance videos from the high

1080
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,440
school and analyzing other available information regarding the events of January 10th through

1081
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,000
11th, 2013.

1082
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,400
The investigative team also consulted with the independent Department of Defense Medical

1083
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Examiner and hired another independent medical examiner, forensic pathologist, who reviewed

1084
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,600
relevant medical records and both autopsy records.

1085
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,360
In order to establish a federal criminal rights violation in this case, the government would

1086
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,240
have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that not only did someone kill Kendrick Johnson

1087
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,560
but that the killing was motivated by racial motive.

1088
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,880
This legal standard, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the act was committed, identifying

1089
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,920
who committed the specific act and proving why they committed that act, is a high threshold

1090
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,920
to meet.

1091
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,000
The Department of Justice, in particular, the lawyers and investigators who have worked

1092
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,240
tirelessly on the investigation, expressed their most sincere condolences to Kendrick

1093
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,360
Johnson's parents, family, and friends.

1094
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,920
We cannot imagine the pain of their loss or the depths of their sorrows, and we regret

1095
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,840
that we were unable to provide them with more definite answers about Kendrick's tragic

1096
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,240
death.

1097
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,400
This is obviously very disappointing to the family.

1098
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:03,680
They get zero answers out of what was kind of their last shot, but this is not all.

1099
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,160
In 2016, Anonymous gets involved.

1100
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,960
Do you guys know who it is?

1101
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,360
Well, you'll know what Anonymous is.

1102
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,360
Yes.

1103
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,360
Okay.

1104
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,560
So, for those of you who don't know, it's this famous group of hackers that no one knows.

1105
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,920
They're pretty legit.

1106
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:31,160
No one knows who they are because they wear the mask off that movie, V for Vendetta.

1107
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,240
I don't know if that's where it originally came from, but that's what they do.

1108
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,160
They change their voice and they put out these videos calling out corruption and crime.

1109
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:45,000
They've done some pretty, like, very high-profile stuff, exposing Bank of America for unfair

1110
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,240
mortgage practices.

1111
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,640
They've linked internal emails from employees of the government.

1112
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,840
They actually took down Visa and MasterCards, like, entire site because they refused to

1113
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,560
do business with WikiLinks when all that WikiLinks stuff was going on.

1114
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,720
They made cyberattacks against several governments, institutions, agencies, and actually the Church

1115
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,720
of Scientology.

1116
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,280
Kylie, shout out.

1117
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,840
Shout out.

1118
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:14,320
So, this was very shocking to me that Anonymous did this.

1119
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:19,000
Maybe it's not shocking to other people, but I kind of thought it was different of them.

1120
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,360
They released a video about Kendrick Johnson.

1121
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,040
It's 10 minutes long and it lays out the evidence and information.

1122
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,160
At the end, they said, and I quote, what really happened to Kendrick Johnson that day?

1123
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Who killed that boy before he could begin exploring life after high school?

1124
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,560
Why did the authorities not do a complete and thorough investigation into the death of

1125
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,560
this team?

1126
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,280
With every piece of new evidence that is released, there are more questions raised and answers

1127
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,560
given.

1128
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,360
Some black students were told that they were not allowed to be interviewed by law enforcement.

1129
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,920
Administration at the high school told students if they talked, their graduation would be

1130
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,080
threatened.

1131
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,400
The people of Val does know that a cover-up has taken place and that local law enforcement

1132
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,800
will arrest and harass them for providing statements.

1133
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,160
People are afraid of the backlash if they come forward.

1134
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,280
The time has come for those people to join the fight for justice, expose the corrupt

1135
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,880
for who they are, expose the racism that is alive and well.

1136
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,120
The time has come to stand against the oppressors and fight for the truth.

1137
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,120
We are anonymous.

1138
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,120
We are legion.

1139
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,120
We do not forgive.

1140
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,120
We do not forget.

1141
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,440
Lones County, Georgia, you should have expected us.

1142
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,080
That was their little plug for that.

1143
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:34,600
I don't know if anything has come out of this video, but they did shine a spotlight on his

1144
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,200
case and it got talked about a lot again.

1145
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,200
So that was positive.

1146
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:42,560
They didn't leak anything, right?

1147
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:43,560
No.

1148
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,560
Yeah.

1149
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,960
Not that I know of.

1150
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,320
So I wish they did.

1151
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:56,040
But I didn't see anything come out of this, other than the case getting talked about more.

1152
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:02,560
This is really sad, but the Johnsons hire another private autopsy or autopsyist?

1153
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,880
Medical Examiner?

1154
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,440
Medical Examiner, question mark, to do a third autopsy.

1155
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,040
And this has to be really hard because they have to obviously dig Kendrick back up, go

1156
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:20,880
through all of this again, wait the anticipation to hear all of these terrible things.

1157
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,880
So they do that and they open up Kendrick's body again.

1158
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:32,720
And the autopsy medical examiner makes the determination that the cause of death of Kendrick

1159
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,240
Johnson is non-accidental, blunt force trauma.

1160
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,040
Same as the second one, the right neck area.

1161
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,440
Same as the second.

1162
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,000
So we have two out of three autopsies saying that this was not an accident.

1163
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,160
And these are not just random examiners.

1164
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,200
These are good medical exam, not that just regular ones are not, not that not famous

1165
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,680
examiners are not good, but these are high profile examiners.

1166
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,720
And it's kind of all that comes out of that.

1167
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,480
They just get clarification and that's all.

1168
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,160
The parents of Kendrick then file an affidavit that stated that someone confessed that their

1169
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,600
friend confessed to murdering Kendrick.

1170
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,720
Surprise, surprise, all the names are redacted, so it makes it super confusing.

1171
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,360
But what I will say is that part of it said, quote, the person struck Kendrick Johnson

1172
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:26,920
in the neck with a 45 pound weight or dumbbell and facilitated the editing of the high school

1173
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:33,640
surveillance video by corrupting or deleting some hour and 25 minutes worth of the recording.

1174
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:34,640
I don't know.

1175
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:41,000
I mean, I think that I do think the surveillance video was corrupted on purpose or on accident.

1176
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,000
I don't know.

1177
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,200
I lean more towards purposeful, but I think that this is unfortunately another like he

1178
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:55,240
said, she said kind of like we heard from someone who heard from someone type of deal.

1179
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,480
But they're kind of grasping at straws at this point.

1180
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,360
And the latest update that I have for you is January 2022.

1181
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,920
The second investigation was closed with no charges being filed with the investigator

1182
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:16,960
saying there was no homicide, no cover up, no conspiracy in the January 2013 death of

1183
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,120
the teen.

1184
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,600
It was simply a tragic and bizarre accident.

1185
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:26,120
And that's the latest that we have from the death of Kendrick Johnson.

1186
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:33,000
I don't see how the average high school student would have access to the security footage

1187
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,480
and know how to corrupt the footage without any trace.

1188
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,920
I know, I kind of agree.

1189
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,280
It's just so what what I think is I can't pinpoint what I think happened.

1190
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:54,080
But I know when I see a situation that's just so not right that I just think something's

1191
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,080
wrong.

1192
01:04:55,080 --> 01:05:00,400
I mean, and it could be that they are shitty investigators and shitty cops and they didn't

1193
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,920
do their job and therefore it makes it look fake because they did such a terrible job.

1194
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,240
But I don't know if it's an accident, then prove it's an accident.

1195
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,520
You know, I'm like, I have a different opinion than you guys and I'm kind of scared.

1196
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:19,680
But I do feel like, you know, I do feel like it was an accident.

1197
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:28,880
And because it wasn't investigated as a homicide and there's all these holes and lack of investigation,

1198
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,920
we're kind of leaning towards like malintention.

1199
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:33,920
I see you.

1200
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:34,920
I see you, Kylie.

1201
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:35,920
That's what I was trying.

1202
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:41,080
I said that in like 50,000 words of what you said a minute ago, but I do think that I do

1203
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:47,200
think that if it was an accident, the reason it looks like it's not is because the police

1204
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,040
did such a terrible job.

1205
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,040
Yes.

1206
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,320
Like there's no answers for anything.

1207
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,320
Nothing.

1208
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:59,240
You know, and the fact that they didn't investigate any of it, we don't understand why there was

1209
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,120
pools of blood where they were.

1210
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,040
Why there was no evidence on shoes.

1211
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,840
Why his body was the way that it was.

1212
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:12,840
Like the whole like coroner's reports as well just doesn't make any sense, you know?

1213
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,880
Like it's just this whole story is a mess and it's so sad because I truly cannot imagine

1214
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,720
like having that being someone's son or friend, you know?

1215
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,320
Like that's just a tough hole.

1216
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:33,480
I also feel like even if it was properly and fully investigated as like a homicide from

1217
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:40,360
a drunk, there is no person or group of people that they can even point to.

1218
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,360
Right.

1219
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,360
Right.

1220
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,360
The missing footage is a no-bleno situation.

1221
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,360
Yeah.

1222
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,160
Like I feel like that would answer a lot of questions.

1223
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,160
Yeah.

1224
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:56,240
And I mean, you don't just ask for the footage from the school.

1225
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,200
You take over the investigation and you go and get it yourself.

1226
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,600
You don't just like, like, oh yeah, by the way, can you like shoot that in an email when

1227
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,600
you get the chance, you know, and let people sit?

1228
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:05,600
This is evidence.

1229
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,480
It's as good as blood or DNA.

1230
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,480
It's video.

1231
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:15,840
And you don't just let other people have their hands on critical information.

1232
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:22,560
I mean, we might have been able to see with our own eyes what happened in this case if

1233
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,840
police would have done their job.

1234
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,120
And it's sad for the family.

1235
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:33,160
And I have a major problem with police going in and like making a determination right off

1236
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,160
the bat.

1237
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:40,120
Like someone lost their life, treat it like it's an act of terrorism instead of treating

1238
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,160
like it's an accident.

1239
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,760
Like you should go to the highest standard that you can and then try to prove your way

1240
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,200
out of it, you know?

1241
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:54,280
No, I fully believe that unless there, it's a person who's like 100 years old with like

1242
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,360
a significant medical history that.

1243
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1244
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,040
It's found deceased in their bed.

1245
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,800
Everything should be treated as a homicide until proven otherwise.

1246
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,320
Yeah, yeah, agree.

1247
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,320
Yeah.

1248
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,880
It's a very frustrating case.

1249
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,640
And I like am okay with saying like, I don't know, you know, like I don't know if it was

1250
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:11,640
a homicide.

1251
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,400
I don't know if it was an accident.

1252
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,560
There are things that make me think both things.

1253
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:17,880
So I just don't know.

1254
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:24,000
And that's really, I know that sucks for the family because they obviously believe it

1255
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:31,560
wasn't, but I mean, the police are not doing their job to help them feel any sort of way.

1256
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,920
So anyway, I see where they're coming from.

1257
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,280
But I mean, they're also like a grieving family.

1258
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:45,480
Like this, if it was an accident, it would be a complete freak accident under the like

1259
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:46,920
perfect circumstances.

1260
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,680
It's hard to like comprehend.

1261
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,080
Obviously your mind would go to foul play.

1262
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,080
Yeah.

1263
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,120
And I don't know, there's a lot of unexplained things that obviously weren't investigated.

1264
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,120
Yeah.

1265
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,240
I mean, accidents happen every day and it's probably like, I don't know, I can't think

1266
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,080
of like a normal accident that happens.

1267
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:09,800
Like someone getting electrocuted or like a car accident.

1268
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,800
Yeah, okay.

1269
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:11,800
A car accident.

1270
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,800
Yeah.

1271
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,640
Like, okay, but you don't see this very often.

1272
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,400
So why would you immediately treat it like an accident?

1273
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:19,760
You don't, I mean, you don't see this very often.

1274
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,840
You don't see this at all.

1275
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,200
So why treat it like an accident?

1276
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,200
And then you get it.

1277
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:25,200
It's crazy.

1278
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:33,400
No, I just feel like people and probably the family are latching on to the lack of investigation,

1279
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,080
which kind of like leads to conspiracy theories.

1280
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,080
Yeah.

1281
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,080
And rightfully so.

1282
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,200
I mean, I would be doing the same thing.

1283
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,840
I'd be wanting, prove to me that it wasn't an accident.

1284
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,840
Yes.

1285
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:51,480
So that was the very frustrating death of Kendrick Johnson.

1286
01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:55,320
And with that, thanks for tuning in to another episode of Over My Dead Pod.

1287
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,000
If you want even more information, including photos of the case, you can check out our

1288
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,760
blog on overminedeadpod.com.

1289
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,800
Be sure to leave a review wherever you're listening to this and check us out on social

1290
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,440
media at Over My Dead Pod and leave us a five star review and we will see you next week

1291
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,480
with another case.

1292
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:12,480
Bye.

1293
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,480
Bye.

1294
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:14,480
Bye.

1295
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:26,080
But not by because we will do overtime very quickly.

1296
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,200
I have important news.

1297
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:36,400
According to TMZ and several TikToks, I have seen Gypsy Rose Blanchard might be pregnant.

1298
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,960
I saw that.

1299
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:38,960
I saw that.

1300
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,940
I didn't know if it was true.

1301
01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:41,940
We don't know.

1302
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:47,840
It's just gossip, but she was seen at a hospital in Louisiana at the like

1303
01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:54,400
OBGYN little clinic and her husband posted a photo with his hand like over her belly

1304
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,200
and was like cuddling with my family.

1305
01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:57,800
What?

1306
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,440
He posted that on Instagram.

1307
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,240
I feel like that's legit.

1308
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:03,460
Oh, that's legit.

1309
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:03,900
Legit.

1310
01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:05,640
It's kind of being right.

1311
01:11:06,180 --> 01:11:08,400
Cause otherwise he would just be like cuddling with my wife.

1312
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:10,360
Yeah.

1313
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:11,200
My family.

1314
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,200
I mean, I guess they are.

1315
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,640
Kylie, send us that picture.

1316
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:20,320
In other news, I'll make this very brief because I don't think we need to talk about it that much.

1317
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:27,920
I did listen to the Nicki Minaj track against Megan Thee Stallion, um, Bakefoot as it's called.

1318
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,280
And, uh, was I disappointed?

1319
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:31,960
Absolutely.

1320
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:32,360
Yes.

1321
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:39,440
It was, I don't know who decided to let her drop that as a diss track, but I will say.

1322
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:43,400
I went through the second time and actually read the lyrics and went along with it.

1323
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:52,160
And some of the stuff's pretty good, but the overall track itself was like me on SoundCloud

1324
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,280
in middle school.

1325
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,040
If I was on SoundCloud in middle school.

1326
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:03,960
No, I'm just saying it was like, if someone was on, if she had on math, like it sounded so

1327
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:08,080
like there was a point in the song that I was like, is she on something right now?

1328
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,080
The outro is so weird.

1329
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:11,560
So weird.

1330
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,040
But I don't know.

1331
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,680
It's like she's on something.

1332
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,200
I mean, we think she is, right?

1333
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,040
Yeah.

1334
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,200
I don't know how if you listened to last week's episode because I edited it.

1335
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:23,200
I did it.

1336
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,320
I put Nicki's outro for that song as the outro of last week's episode.

1337
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:30,920
Oh my gosh.

1338
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,000
I didn't even hear that.

1339
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,480
Yeah.

1340
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:34,000
It's like the last five seconds.

1341
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,800
Dang, I'm so terrible.

1342
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:36,800
I haven't.

1343
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,280
I didn't know it either because I don't, you know, she told me and I went and listened to it and I was like, great.

1344
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:42,280
So we're going to get sued.

1345
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:43,680
But then I thought about it.

1346
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,080
No one's going to come after us for that song because it's not a song.

1347
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,600
No.

1348
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,080
It's literally like, I don't, I don't even know how to describe it.

1349
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,880
So anyways, Nicki Minaj used to be the queen bee for me.

1350
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,320
Now I feel otherwise.

1351
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:04,160
I felt otherwise for a few years now, but the OG Nicki is dead.

1352
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,880
It's not good.

1353
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,040
It's not a good look.

1354
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,120
She might have come back, but she ain't doing it right now.

1355
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,240
I think since...

1356
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:12,480
It ain't good stuff.

1357
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:15,280
We talked about it last episode.

1358
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,920
I sent you guys the screenshot because she's going on tour.

1359
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:19,920
Yeah.

1360
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:25,920
The venues or wherever you buy the tickets from have a disclaimer on them that people

1361
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:32,880
under the age of 18 cannot attend unaccompanied because her husband is a level three sex off

1362
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,680
and she is a level three sex offender.

1363
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:37,920
And if...

1364
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:43,480
Did you guys read it that if you're under the age of 18 and attending with someone older,

1365
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:48,360
you have to wear a colored wristband to like be identified as someone who's underage?

1366
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:50,040
Great.

1367
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,240
This is going too far.

1368
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,800
She needs to dump that man.

1369
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:53,800
What the heck?

1370
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,320
They're married with a child.

1371
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:56,760
She does not care.

1372
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,680
She knew that before her baby.

1373
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,560
So I looked into it.

1374
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,680
She knew Kenneth.

1375
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,280
She knew Kenneth since elementary school.

1376
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:07,920
They've known each other their whole lives.

1377
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:08,920
Yeah.

1378
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:14,240
She was dating that one guy, Safari, for 18 years.

1379
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:15,240
Yeah.

1380
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,760
And then dumped him and married this sex offender.

1381
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,280
Don't know what happened.

1382
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,280
Yeah.

1383
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,280
Ugh.

1384
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:23,280
Not a good look.

1385
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,240
So anyways, we don't need to spend any more time on it.

1386
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:31,040
Right now we are all Team Megan and I retract everything I said the last episode.

1387
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,040
Thank you.

1388
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,040
Nice.

1389
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,040
All right.

1390
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Great success, Kelly.

1391
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,040
Great success.

1392
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:42,720
I understand she's like a big artist, but you still have to release music under a label

1393
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,960
who has to approve everything you release.

1394
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:45,960
Yeah.

1395
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Yeah.

1396
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:47,960
You let that go.

1397
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,960
It doesn't make sense.

1398
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,360
They were probably like, oh yeah, people are going to think this is so ridiculous that

1399
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,960
I'll at least get like one listen out of everybody in the world.

1400
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,240
I mean, don't get me wrong.

1401
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,760
They make money every time someone lists to the song and I listened to it three times.

1402
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,760
So here we go.

1403
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:04,760
Yeah.

1404
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:05,760
Any publicity is good publicity.

1405
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:06,760
Apparently.

1406
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,560
That's all I got to say about that.

1407
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,400
Even if she sues us, we will be.

1408
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,400
We'll be doing good.

1409
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,360
Somebody will be talking about us.

1410
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:14,360
Yeah.

1411
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,360
Nicki Minaj will be talking about us.

1412
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,360
Like, what?

1413
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,360
It's fine with me.

1414
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:19,360
Yeah.

1415
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,360
Sue is Nicki.

1416
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:21,360
Oh.

1417
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,360
We're lawyers, but please stop.

1418
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,360
Yeah.

1419
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:27,360
I'm not.

1420
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,360
I'm not.

1421
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,360
Please don't sue us.

1422
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,360
I have no money.

1423
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,360
I have no money.

1424
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,360
I pay you on blocks.

1425
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Geez.

1426
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,360
Oh my gosh.

1427
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:40,280
I'm going to New Orleans on Friday.

1428
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:41,280
You guys.

1429
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,280
Okay.

1430
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,280
Surprise.

1431
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:44,280
Hello.

1432
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:45,280
Surprise.

1433
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:46,280
I'm going to New Orleans.

1434
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,280
Shocker.

1435
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,280
What are you doing?

1436
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,000
Have a couple of concerts to go to.

1437
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,760
Maybe look at some houses.

1438
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,640
I knew you were going to say that.

1439
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:01,640
But I found out on Friday night at the house of blues in New Orleans is a Shrek rave.

1440
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:02,640
Oh, hi.

1441
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,640
The front door.

1442
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:07,640
If you don't go, I'm going to be so mad at you.

1443
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,640
Yeah.

1444
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:09,640
Yep.

1445
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,640
Yep.

1446
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:11,640
Yep.

1447
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,640
You have to go.

1448
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:13,640
Should I bring my dad to the Shrek rave?

1449
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,640
Yes.

1450
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,640
Yes.

1451
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:16,640
Okay.

1452
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,640
And I want videos and I want to report back next week.

1453
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:19,640
You know what?

1454
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,640
FaceTime is too.

1455
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,640
No.

1456
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:22,640
Yeah.

1457
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,640
I will record the whole thing.

1458
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,640
FaceTime, you guys, I'll report back.

1459
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:27,640
You need to go.

1460
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:28,640
This is a once in a lifetime.

1461
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:34,640
For the listeners that don't know, this odd woman that we have on this podcast, Kylie,

1462
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,640
is obsessed with Shrek.

1463
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,640
And I've known that since the first day I met her.

1464
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,640
This bitch is crazy for Shrek.

1465
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:41,640
I don't get it.

1466
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,640
I don't get it.

1467
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:44,640
It is the best.

1468
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,640
Says the girl who likes frogs.

1469
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,640
Kylie and I both like frogs now.

1470
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:50,640
We both love frogs.

1471
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,640
Weird.

1472
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,640
Frogs are the best animal God ever invented.

1473
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,640
Okay.

1474
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,640
No, they scare the shit out of me.

1475
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:57,640
I don't understand.

1476
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,640
They've never, frogs have never bitten anybody.

1477
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:00,640
Doesn't matter.

1478
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,640
They just stick to things and they're fat and squishy.

1479
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,640
And they're squishy.

1480
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:05,640
Yeah.

1481
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:06,640
What?

1482
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,640
I just don't understand how you can.

1483
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:10,640
Okay.

1484
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:11,640
I'm going to fight you.

1485
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:12,640
All right.

1486
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:13,640
Go to the Shrek rave.

1487
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:18,640
If you don't, if you don't go to the Shrek rave, I swear, Kylie, you're ruining the

1488
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:19,640
whole trip.

1489
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:24,640
She is.

1490
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,640
We're going to fight a few more times.

1491
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,640
We should double back.

1492
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,640
You and the一起 and the people who are with the baby.

1493
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,640
Right, but this is a little bit of a discussion right now.

1494
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:34,640
This bigify.

1495
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,640
Because I studied a lot of phones that had a different backgroundumble about

1496
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,640
birds.

1497
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,360
Birds in a Mis to思 beyond the kind of

1498
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,640
we're going to think about.

1499
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,140
Because I basically don't understand what he's telling us.

1500
01:17:48,140 --> 01:17:49,140
Gr Sudden.

1501
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:55,300
He's married with child. We're obviously the weird ones. Yeah true true