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It's episode 137. Here with Ally Mack and Casey.
This has only happened like once before. What?
You and me on the podcast. Yeah, maybe a couple
times. Yeah, it's a weird episode. I've listened
to a lot of American Idiot lately. Dude, I've
been listening to a lot of Green Day in general.
It amazes me that Billy Joe got away with saying
fuck America for the last 20 years. Well, I guess
that's not the actual lyrics. He says the subliminal
mind fuck and then America. But it sounds like
he says fuck America. Well, yeah. Well, it's
a subliminal. I mean, I get what you're saying.
It's like it's a double entendre. Like he's getting
away with it without really saying it. He makes
it sound like an adjective. Yeah. But it's not.
A lot of the shit back then is still going on
today. History is repeating itself. Could you
turn it down a little bit? The thing then, though,
is that we still had the First Amendment. It
wasn't really infringed upon. You could kind
of just say whatever you wanted to. Right, now
we're threatening to put journalists in prison
for free speech. Well, Green Day was a polarizing
band, too. They still are. I'd say they still
absolutely are. They really care. Trump wouldn't
go to the Super Bowl because Green Day was playing
it. Which is hysterical. Which is hysterical
that we have a president who has that thin of
skin. Like, if you really wanted to come in big
dick swinging, you'd show up. It's kind of a
weak move to not go, in my opinion. You're scared
of a little band and their songs that were written
20 years ago? Sure, they do change the lyrics.
They do change the lyrics. But they didn't change
the lyrics at the Super Bowl, though. They didn't
say anything about Trump. Usually they say, like,
Trump's America or something like that. Or MAGA.
or some shit like that. Right. You see the prime
minister or something of Japan was at the White
House today, and he was like, why didn't you
tell us about the attack on Iran? Trump's like,
why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harbor? Did
he actually say that? No, he actually said that.
Oh, my God, man. We're so fucked. We're so fucked.
That's not a good comeback. That's not what he
thinks. Nobody is in office that had anything
to do with that. Oh, my God. Japan's like an
ally, too. Wait, do you say Japan or China? Japan.
Yeah. Yeah, Japan's like a fucking ally. Like,
I don't know. I think the relationship that America,
well, up to this point, sorry, the United States,
not America. I think that the relation the U
S has had with Japan has been really fucking
cool because a lot of Americans find Japanese
culture fascinating and Japanese fucking love
American culture. And like, this is way more
pronounced than I think any other country. Like
we, we like, I don't know the amount of fucking
shit that gets passed back and forth between
our countries is from a cultural standpoint is
very significant. So why are we now just pissing
them off? Like, why are we, there's no need for
that line. Well, I mean, he's pissing off the
entire world, pissing off our allies. I know.
No, because everybody, all of our allies now
are refusing to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz
to unblock the oil because Trump started the
war. Yeah. Yeah, we fucking deserve it. They're
like, you've been trying to take us over for
the last, like, year, like, fucking Denmark.
Yeah. They're like, you've been trying to take
us over. Why are we going to, like, send ships
to help you? Yeah! Yeah, I fucking get it! They're
fucking putting tariffs on us. I know, like,
literally he went in office, pissed everybody
off, said he wanted to take half the world over,
and then just started antagonizing the people
that we already didn't have good relationships
with. Like, I'm not saying we need to cater to
them, but to actively antagonize them is different.
And I can't help but feel like somehow he's in
fucking Putin's pocket, too. Like, I don't know.
Their relationship has always been bizarre to
me. He should hate Putin a lot more than he does.
And occasionally he speaks out about him. But
he'll also go back and be like, oh, I had a wonderful
meeting with Putin. Great guy. Great guy. We
give him too hard of a. Too hard of a time sometimes.
Great guy. We're going to end the war in Ukraine.
I'm going to do it. It's going to be the best
resolution ever of all time. The biggest ever.
Never seen one so quick. I said I was going to
get it done, and now I'm going to get it done.
It's going to be huge. It's going to be great.
World peace. So he actually took the sanctions
off of Russia to get oil at a cheaper price.
And it shows where our fucking priorities lie.
Yeah. I didn't even know that. And now you're
proving my point. Fuck. Jesus Christ. I mean,
we gotta, we gotta get some oil, man. It's like
2003 again. Yeah, but we don't need oil. The
world does not need oil. Our country uses like
for us, like if you lived in like any other country
in the world, the amount of oil that just you
as a human being would consume. A day is like
three to six times higher than anywhere else
in the world. Like we use oil so much more than
we fucking need to. Cause other countries are
already onto the renewable shit. Yeah. I try
to drink like a gallon of oil per day. Yeah,
man. Yeah, man. Especially stay hydrated. Yeah,
no, I, I agree. But if you saw some of the shit
that was going on in the news lately, it'd be
like, it like, it feels like the matrix or like
a simulation. It's spiraling out of control.
No, I know it is. You know, Senator Lindsey Graham,
he's a super warmongering Israel guy, and he
was in the news the other day, and he was like,
I'm not with you. I'm with Israel until my dying
day. He's like, I'm going to go home and ask
those people in South Carolina, their sons and
daughters, to the Middle East. I'm like, what?
Why? Well, you can see, I've taken... Have you
ever watched The Sopranos, Casey? No, actually.
God damn it. All right, well, I'm just going
to tell you just a little bit. Not really even
major spoilers here, but Tony Soprano, the main
guy, he's my boss, everything. His son... Spoiler
alert. No, it's not a spoiler. Anthony, his son,
just kind of is like a doomer throughout the
whole show. Because he just, once he starts paying
attention to the news, he just spirals. And,
like, he just can't pull himself out of those.
Like, this kid's dying of starvation. We're fighting
wars for nothing. Like, yeah. And then, like,
I hate to say it, but the one thing that the
show is really correct with is that, like, kind
of their method of parenting and, like, the counseling
that he received is like, yeah, it's pretty bad.
But, like, just don't think about it. It's like
I've never seen that apply so much. It's just
true. It's like if you look at the news. You're
going to be incredibly cynical. But the thing
that I find hope in is that the news has been
incredibly cynical for a very, very, very long
time. Yeah, it's just like. And yes, it's escalating.
It's escalating and shit is worse than it's been
in a very long time. But there's so many different
deterrences we have against other countries.
And like, I don't know why we're picking a fight.
But like, I really do think I put the odds at
like a World War Three happening at like 50 50.
I can kind of live with those odds. Yeah, it's
just so obvious that he was the president that
Netanyahu was able to convince and scam to bomb
Iran. And the secretary of something, one of
the top military generals, he just resigned.
He was like, yeah, the war in Iran wasn't justified.
There was no imminent threat, so I'm resigning.
Good. And he was appointed by Trump. Good. The
one thing that I do find irritating about shit
like that, though, is that aren't those the kind
of guys you kind of want to keep on board? Like
the ones that will fight against him and shit
like that and openly speak about how they don't
support what's going on? Yeah, but in the military,
they have to do what he says. It's like a problem.
I feel like if you have just a single person
that's in charge of the military and just ignoring...
the judicial and congress and shit because it's
like the people don't have control of the country
anymore it's just like we haven't for a while
though we haven't for a while honestly it's it's
sad because the conditioning seems to be working
of just slowly losing more control to the government
like that's just sort of been the the vibes even
lately i've just been even more just fuck israel
because it's just so obvious that They're controlling
the government. The thing that I think is funny
is that when Trump was president during fucking
COVID, his whole stance was like, we want the
people to have control. You don't need to wear
your masks if you don't want to. And then it's
like, he bitches about how the government's trying
to take over our lives. Now it's like he does
all this shit when he's in office. Just like,
just no sense of checks and balances. But now
ICE has to wear face masks and they have to say
ICE has to. We have to ban police officers from
wearing masks now because they are trying to
hide their identities when they're committing
crimes, basically. God damn it. You want to know
what, Casey? What? I think the news is very cynical.
Yeah. I try to not digest any of it. Like I want
to be prepared. I want to have shit ready. Like
I do at my dad's camp in the middle of fucking
nowhere. But your tax dollars are going to basically
war crimes. Like I see, I was watching videos
of like Israeli soldiers and they just like,
they just fuck with children. They just like
punch this kid in the face. They, like, go into
people's houses and they, like, try on their
clothes and, like, it's like people's houses.
They have, like, no respect. It's war. Yeah.
It's war. It happens every war. Both sides do
it. I mean, the people that are in the wars on
both sides, like, it's just, like, they're representing
their country, sure, but a lot of these people
don't want to be fighting. It's not. I mean,
and then you do have your fair share of psychopaths,
but it's like, I'm not justifying war crimes,
but I'm just saying it's, it always fucking happens.
It happens every single war. You got your bad
eggs that are just the fucking don't know how
to deal with their stress. Not that that, not
that that's an inherently negative thing. I don't
know. I'm playing fucking. Devil's advocate way
too much here. It's fucking ridiculous. It's
fucking obscene. If I got sent to war, I'm not
going to be doing shit like that. Yeah. It's
out of control behavior. No matter how bad I
was stressed out, the last thing I want to do
is just be like, let's fucking beat this kid
up. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. I like
the Zionists actually think that they're like
superior to everybody else. I think they're like
a superior race. Like the Jewish people, like
not all Jewish people, but the people that are
Zionists. who support Israel. It's kind of like
a white nationalism kind of thing. And then you
see all the traditional Orthodox Jews are out
protesting it because they don't believe in getting
drafted because they don't believe in violence
or something. So why are we fighting? Because
Netanyahu said, I have videos of you fucking
kids. Drop this bomb on Tehran. I hope we get
it. I hope we, I mean, I don't want to see the
video, but I want to know what exists and I want
him fucking gone. Like, dude, he's such a threat,
not just to our country, but to the world. Like
he's just fucking destabilizing the entire geopolitical
world for no fucking reason. Like we're not benefiting
from it. There's not a master plan at work here.
He makes it sound like there is like he makes
it, he puts his own spin on it. Like everything
he does is somehow positive and justified, but
it's like, Every time I hear the guy speak, it's
like I've begun to – I don't know. It's just
like he seems like a fucking – it's a reality
TV show. It's like not even real life. Like it
just – I can't even listen to it anymore. So
don't. That's honestly my suggestion is just
fucking don't. Yeah, I've been trying to. Like
just fucking be like me. Just fire up some like
racing game and then just go ham for six hours
straight. Do you see these new weapons they got,
though? Like, shooting down missiles in Israel?
It looks like it actually came from Star Wars.
Like, it looks like when you're, like, shooting
a... What are those guys called? Stormtroopers,
where they shoot the laser beams? Yeah. It actually
fucking looks like that now. Shooting down the
missiles. And they shoot, like, fucking probably
500 rounds off at a single missile. And they
miss, like, 499 times. And then the missile just
explodes, like, two feet from the ground. Like
such a waste of, you know, American money. So
they don't even work? They work, but it takes
like 500 bullets to shoot down one missile. Jesus
Christ. Yeah, it's probably fucking $7 million
every time the thing goes off or something ridiculous.
And while Americans have no health care, but...
And people fucking mooch off welfare. It's crazy.
Yeah. I thought I saw the interesting today.
Change it up. I know you like some quantum mechanics.
Oh, yeah. Let's hear it. There was a study or
no, there's something they did in Switzerland
and they made like 200 ,000 brain cells in the
Petri dish. Yeah. And they programmed the neurons
in the brain cells to play the game Doom. And
it was actually able to learn it. It was actually
able to learn to play the game Doom. And they
were like, do you think this has consciousness
now? It doesn't have any memories, but it knows
how to play Doom. I've got to find an article.
Oh my god. Wait, how are they alive, though?
It's just a bunch of neurons. It's a bunch of
brain cells in a dish. How does it work? Human
brain cells on a chip are to play Doom. How is
it powered? Are they just punching electricity
into it? It says it uses neuron -powered computer
chips to play Doom. There was clumps of more
than 800 ,000 living brain cells grown on top
of microelectrode arrays that can both send and
receive electrical signals. They had to train
the chips to control the paddles on either side
of the screen. This was talked about when they
did it with Pong, but they just did it this week.
Unlike Pong Week we did a few years ago, This
demonstration has been done in a matter of days
by someone who previously had relatively low
expertise working with biology. Hmm. Well, that's
fucking horrifying. Yes, it's alive, and yes,
it's biological, but really, what is being used
is material that can process information in very
special ways that we can't recreate in silicon.
I don't like that. I don't like that at all that's
got me deep in thought right now it's like the
idea of like a Boltzmann brain which I was actually
looking at yeah I talked about the Boltzmann
brain here for a very long time I know but I
must have missed it well the Boltzmann brain
is a little bit different because it's a that
involves with the idea of a brain just spontaneously
becoming to exist because in an infinite universe
with infinite time essentially anything that's
possible is possible it's a very it's there's
more to it in terms of the existence of that
brain but essentially what it it becomes comes
down to the boltzmann brain is could you just
have memories essentially in a brain that spontaneously
comes into existence where it's memories didn't
really happen, but it has memories and it believes
that they happened. Yeah. So I could just like,
my brain could be floating in space, but yeah.
And your brain might not actually be in a skull.
It could just be, but what about the stuff that
just happened like five minutes ago, like an
hour ago? Yeah. It could just be data that's
implanted into your brain. Or because the other
part with the Boltzmann brain is that because
you're just a free -floating brain in space,
your brain is just going to essentially assume
a consciousness with the memories that exist
within it. So it kind of just creates its own
reality amongst the neurons that are implanted
in it. So it's almost like tying in a simulation
theory to the Boltzmann brain thing. Yeah, but
goodbye, Boltzmann brain. Think about having
a Boltzmann brain and then be like, oh, hey,
I was just, you know, I was thinking about this
10 minutes ago. So that means that I'm not a
Boltzmann brain. No, because you have no guarantee
that that's not just a memory that was implanted
in you. That's why it's kind of like a mental
paradox too. There's no way to disprove that
you aren't a Boltzmann brain. Yeah, I guess.
Like I could just be created in this exact second.
Yes. With memories of a conversation about talking
to the Boltzmann brain. You can be aware that
Boltzmann brains exist. But what about like two
seconds ago? You have no way to prove it. You
have no way to prove it. I understand what you're
getting at, but that's the scary thing about
a Boltzmann brain is that there is no way to
prove to yourself. There's no guarantee that
those memories are real. There's no guarantee
that anything around you is real. It's the other
bigger part of a Boltzmann brain is that this
could just be taking place inside a brain tissue
inside your head while you're free floating in
space because it's devoid of anything. You're
not connected to any organic body or anything.
So your brain is just kind of making shit happen
to fill the gaps. That's what a Boltzmann brain
is. Like you're not actually existing. You're
not in a body. You're not going about shit. You're
not a human being that was created. You're literally
just a free -floating brain. So it's just electricity
firing and generating almost like a movie in
your head. Yeah, it's like if I was just a brain
floating in space, wouldn't I be aware that I
didn't have any sight? You think that all of
this could just be a hallucination? I don't know,
man, because the thing is when you talk about
the brains is that like... Our brains do a lot
of shit behind the scenes that we don't have
like, that we're not clued into. For example,
like pH regulation and like your brainstem, your
autonomic nerves, nervous system. Like a lot
of shit just happens without your consciousness
being aware of it. There's multiple parts at
play. You're more than just like, sure. I can
say I want to move my hand. What's actually causing
my fucking hand to move. I'm sending electrical
impulses along that fast action potential to
my hand to tell this shit to happen. And my brain's
telling it to happen. But are you really thinking
about it when you tell your body to move? Because
I fucking don't. It's natural. Your body does
so much shit in the background. This is a very
complex movement. Like going back and forth like
this. Yeah, they act like so similar to like
computer chips that it makes the argument hard
that there's like. Well, AI already kind of does
that too. Like we base, we base the way AIs like
work for the most part, not, not every AI and
it's not, you can't just dumb it down this much,
but like. the way an AI thinks and the way it
pulls data from the internet is very similar
to how our brains pull information from neurons
to like have memory recall, like in conversation.
Like when I see you, I need to remember that's
Casey. I remember his face. I know what he looks
like. Hey Casey, how are you doing? Like AI kind
of is generated to pull information of like,
who is this person? What is an appropriate response
to say to them? Like brings past memories of
you back. Like, And AI thinks that way to a certain
extent, except it's completely digitally. Like,
it's almost like that's the way it's coded into
thinking through, like, a dichotomous key like
our brains do. But... Yeah, I guess it just makes
it hard to believe if it's, like, just caused
by electricity. Well, like, and that's the thing
is, like, I... Like, I don't know about you,
but, like, I've played a lot of video games that,
like... will bring up the topic of like AI and
like, is it sentient? And to me, it always seemed
so sci -fi as a kid where it was like, Oh, the
computer can't have a brain. Like there's no
way it could. Well, if you can create like a
chip with a bunch of electrodes in it, does that
have consciousness? Yeah. But what I'm trying
to say is like, we were never going to, this
is another paradox. We're never going to know
for sure. Like I get that that's brain cells
and that's organic and it makes the argument
more compelling because that's the same shit
our brains are made of. So like, if the brain
is really where the consciousness exists, then
how can we say that that fucking Petri dish on
a table that's playing Doom isn't somehow just
a consciousness? And what is that consciousness
like if it does exist? What is it feeling? Like,
obviously, it's not going to have all these complex
emotions and everything because you need all
these neurotransmitters for that, too, that your
body produces elsewhere. So, like... You got
to think of it at a really deep level, but at
the base sense of things, there's nothing to
disprove that that is not a consciousness. My
argument or just to drive it home even further
to ask another question is just how do we know
that most even basic electronic devices don't
in some way, shape or form have consciousness?
Not the way that a human does, but like the way
a tree does like a tree. Sure. It doesn't have
a brain, but it's still alive. It's still growing.
It still has basic instincts to. And like, for
the most part, it's our bodies are mechanical
inherently. Like we're very, very complex, but
we're like, uh, like the watch I'm wearing, this
is an automatic watch. It's, this isn't like
just a quartz movement where it's a crystal vibrating.
There's a million fucking parts in this. Well,
not actually a million, but there's a lot of
fucking parts in this thing to make it work the
way it does. Humans are like that right now.
I think you could more compare like those brain
cells on a Petri dish to something more akin
to like a tree. Or like a plant. Or something
that doesn't necessarily. Or even something that
has a very. Like a jellyfish. Jellyfishes don't
have brains. But they still have instinct. They
still have like information stored of like. Absorbing
food and moving. Like to float through the water.
But jellyfish don't have brains. That's always
been like a head fuck to me is does it have a
consciousness? What's a consciousness? Right.
Like consciousness could exist without a brain
for all we know. It might just be extremely simple
and basic. And what does that look like? What
does that feel like? Well, animals have consciousness,
right? But they're not, some people would argue
like, do animals have souls? Like, that's what
I mean. If like our, our brain is just a bunch
of. In my mind, they absolutely do. We evolved
from animals. We just took a different path.
It is interesting to see the path that we've
taken. It almost does make you think that there
could be a higher power. Honestly, I'm going
to tie this into the higher power thing here,
too. Not just a higher power, but I'm going to
tie it into the Fermi paradox as well. based
off the information we know intelligent life
should exist way more than it fucking does so
why don't we see it why don't we see it anywhere
if we think if if space is as vast as it is and
we see all these planets that could harbor life
on them or like we could go to and like actually
exist on that already have like the ecosystem
that has an air composition that we could breathe
and not fucking die and we still have sun and
the temperature's okay if that's the thought
process And we did just manifest in the ocean
with the exact right amount of chemicals and
all this stuff. And then millions of years later,
billions of years later, we turn into fucking
humans all of a sudden that have consciousness.
Why is that not occurring anywhere else? What
happened that made us so sophisticated but kept
animals, so for a lack of a better term, dumb?
Why are we so special? We should see intelligent
life out there. I think most scientists agree
that life... probably exists elsewhere you can't
say it for certainty but like if the way life
spontaneously came into existence the way we
believe it did it's pretty fucking likely it
happened elsewhere yes the conditions on our
planet are so hyper specific to include life
and that's true anywhere else but there's a lot
of fucking planets potentially an infinite amount
Yeah, but I think it's just time. We've only
been around, humans have only been around 100
,000 years. So if the universe is billions of
years old, there could be civilizations that
have probably evolved at other points. But 10
,000 years in a span of a billion is such a small
percentage that they wouldn't be all just popping
up at once. Yeah, but that's the great thing
about space, Casey, is that when you look up
in the night sky, you're looking at a time capsule.
You have the speed of light, the way that we
see things. Like we would see evidence of that
because when you look into the night sky, you're
looking into the past. The stars aren't where
they look like they're at. They're all in different
spots in the sky. Like the light from our sun
takes like, I can't remember when it's like six
or seven minutes or maybe it's like 30 seconds.
I can't remember, but like it's in a delay, like
an actual noticeable delay. When you see the
sun come up. It's already much further up in
the air than you think it is. This light just
takes a long time to get there. So when you amplify
that by millions of times, you're looking millions
and billions of years into the past when you're
looking at distant stars. We should be able to
see evidence of life occurring at them. Because
even if life did spontaneously come into existence
billions of years ago, we'd be seeing it happen
in front of our eyes looking at the night sky
now. Which is fucking trippy. But how would you
see that though? If you just look at a star that's
like so far away, how do you see that there's...
living things on a planet these not just our
telescopes but like our data analysis tools are
incredibly good like for example if these planets
ever came to evolve to like have something like
voyager one go out into space that could send
like radio signals they're like if you had a
truly advanced civilization especially if it
was like a much larger planet that had a ton
of resources, they could send out like satellites
on a massive scale that would give us proof of
their existence. The same way that we did with
something like Voyager one, where like Voyager
one went into space. It's got a vinyl on it.
That's got a bunch of like noises of animals
and music and like an encapsulation of the culture.
It also comes with a kind of a form of like a
Rosetta stone to try to like decipher languages.
If you're able to like, We sent evidence of ourselves
out there. And you could do that on such a...
Voyager was sent in the fucking 80s. We could
send some shit out there that could blast FM
radio signals through space for fucking eternity.
Oh, you know, I saw actually a theory about the
Fermi Paradox, about why they think that it is,
is because they think that once any civilization
gets smart enough where they can broadcast their
location out, then a greater... Yeah, a greater
power comes in and fucking wipes you out. Kills
them, yeah. Yeah. And that's entirely possible.
That's entirely possible. But then why didn't
they kill us? Or it just hasn't been long enough
time yet. My favorite game series that deals
with the Fermi Paradox is also Tyler's. Tyler
would go on a whole rant about it. So I feel
like I can give the cliff notes of it here and
not make it go too long. But Mass Effect, the
Mass Effect trilogy. goes through with that thought
process of like once you're able to like go into
a galactic scale and actually their turning point
just to really tie this argument full circle
here there's a race of these things called the
reapers which are like half biological half synthetic
they're like half ai half human And they annihilate
everything. They come by every like 10 ,000.
They have a map of the entire universe of intelligent
life forms. And once they become smart enough
to create an AI that's smarter than them, they
come in and they wipe everything out. They clear
all the organic material. They clear all the
AI out because they see it as a threat to the
universe. It's like a cycle. And they even delve
into, like in the third game, you get a follower
called... I can't remember his name, but he's
called a Promethean or like the ones that came
before. And they were like 20 ,000 years in the
past and you uncover just artifacts. And that's
really how the whole story kicks off of like,
they have like these memory obelisk things that
let you see their past. And you saw these Reapers
coming and you play as the general who's trying
to tell everybody like, guys, these things are
going to fucking come here. Like they're like
on their way. We need to not fuck around. Like
I saw his memories with the memory shard, like
destroyed. And then by the third game, they did
come and you have to deal with it. And you see
that like the last time the Reapers existed,
they knew humanity was there, but we were fucking
stupid as shit. So they wiped out some colony
that was millions of light years away that was
advanced enough to create an AI that was smarter
than humanity. So they fucking destroyed everything,
the AI, the humanity and everything. And now
they're like, they're indifferent. They don't
come there to fucking. They don't take pride
in what they do. They're not trying to maliciously
put them down. They just see it as like they're
gods, essentially, of trying to make sure that...
Yeah, but don't you think civilizations might
have evolved before? It only took humans a few
thousand years to evolve to the point where we
can just destroy the entire... civilization and
the planet so that might have happened before
where it always just gets to a point where everybody
just wants to kill each other and you know some
kind of catastrophic event happens well here's
the thing though so life is very resilient even
if we launch nukes all over the fucking planet
even if we send like even if we pollute the fuck
out of the planet and turn this into a dystopian
fucking nightmare of a world Life is going to
survive. We always think, oh no, the world's
going to end when we fire the nukes. No, no,
no, no. Humanity's world, even if we become extinct,
which is very far -fetched, there's most likely
going to be people who do survive the apocalypse.
It's just going to take hundreds and hundreds
of years for... for society to ever return to
it. And there is a good chance that we might
just fucking get killed off after the fact, just
because of how few of us there are. We're not
inherently powerful beings. We're just smart.
That's the only reason that we're here. Like
we don't have. big like we like you're never
gonna fucking beat a bear in hand -to -hand combat
as a human being that's just not gonna fucking
happen but we're smart enough to be like oh let
me grab a branch off this tree and then when
it lunges at me i can like prop it up against
the ground and maybe it'll impale it like we're
smart enough to think of that most animals cannot
come up with that on the fly but Life is going
to exist millions and millions and millions of
years from now. If evolution works the way that
we think it is, you're going to go through a
whole nother period similar to like, maybe not
the Jurassic because the reason everything, oh,
dinosaurs were so big was because of the carbon
dioxide in the air at that point. The air was
a different composition that allowed for larger
life forms to exist. But life will have a comeback
millions and millions of years down the road.
The real question mark for me is that that we're
pretty goddamn sure that hasn't happened in the
planet's history before like we wiped everything
out and then we started fresh like we'd see that
in the soil we know millions and millions of
years back there wasn't complex life on this
planet unless it's truly so long ago that we
haven't even found a way to uncover it but with
our understanding of how old the planet is it
just seems incredibly unlikely so my question
is again Why are we the smartest? Like what,
what made humans different? Even like a chimpanzee,
which shares almost all of its identity to us.
That's an incredibly smart being. It's nowhere
close to us in terms of intelligence. It can
only understand basic speech and routine. And
they are astonishing for us to look at as humans
because occasionally you see them mimicking humanity
a little bit, but that's all they're doing. They're
mimicking. They truly don't have as complex of
thoughts as we do. So like, why are we different
why don't we fucking see it anywhere else so
you don't see any life anywhere else that's what
i'm saying so like but well yeah but life could
exist i guess a big part of the fermi paradox
too is that it's intelligent life it's it or
i mean you can make it any sort of life too but
like if if for example there could be millions
and millions of planets that are existing within
some something similar to like the dinosaur age
Or even like just imagine earth without humans
on it. It could just be a planet like that. Like
there would be no civilizations. There would
be no greater intelligence, real sentience. Like
maybe in millions and millions of years, chimpanzees
will have like religion and all this stuff. And
then they're going to start agriculture and all
that shit that could happen. Like we think the
other thing is that like, if we're gone, like
if somehow we spread a toxin specific to human
beings, scientists thinks that one of two races
will, come up and they think it's either going
to be fucking um whatchamacallit chimps or dogs
they think dogs have just because of how much
they see humanity as it is millions of years
of fucking evolution could lead them to where
we're at maybe not because they saw us but they're
just smart animals they understand routines well
over millions of years like the way we're intelligent
life Yeah. But like what we consider intelligent
life is still like way prior to even the Neanderthals,
like Neanderthals and like just homo sapiens
in general. Like we were 99 .9 % what we are
today. Millions of years ago, very little has
changed in our DNA to make us what we are, but
we look different. We're way fucking smarter.
We're Almost completely different beings, but
our DNA is 99 .99 % similar to what our ancestors
were millions of years ago. Shit moves really
fucking slow. Are the people alive today really
smarter than they were 50 ,000 years ago? I would
argue yes. Look at the way we live our lives.
Look at medication. Look at technology as a whole.
We have the ability to... fucking look into space
and see the stars and all this shit we have the
ability to send information about us into space
right but that's the product of like thousands
of years of advancements and sharing knowledge
exactly thousands that's the scary thing is why
is it thousands now but it was millions before
to get us to where we're at why is there all
of the sudden actually Are we actually any smarter
or we just have had enough time and enough knowledge
now that everybody in the world can talk to each
other? But why is there that rapid growth curve?
Why 10 ,000 years ago are we living in like fucking
caves? Because it's exponential. When humanity
connected to each other. But why is no other
species have that exponential growth curve? And
how come if life does exist on other planets,
that exponential growth curve hasn't happened?
That's a mystery of the universe. We don't have
a fucking answer to that. And it's a question
that fucking scientists ask all the time. We
don't know why we're smart. We have ideas. We
think that it could have been us like exposing
ourselves to psilocybin, like mushrooms. Probably.
dude you're throwing fucking shit at a wall and
seeing what sticks i can get behind that idea
it makes more fucking sense than anything else
i can think of why all of a sudden we got smart
like i know when i did shrooms shit was really
fucking weird you think about things in an entirely
different light and that can be what sparks you
to be like hey what if we fucking make some tools
what if we make a fire Hey, why don't we just
settle down? Why don't we build a fucking house?
So I'm not cold all the fucking time. Hey, why
don't we grow some fucking plants that we can
eat instead of just killing everything? Like
that'll happen quick in like the grand scheme
of things. And even that, even that, even life
existing on, on this planet is still a microscopic
dot. Like if you had the whole universe, if the
universe is a calendar of a month, just one month,
31 days. The amount of time life has existed
in this universe makes up like a minute, not
even, of that entire month. How long has life
been around? I feel like it's been... Actually,
it might be... The calendar might be a year,
actually. That's on the episode of Cosmos with
Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually. It's a very, very
good one, even though I don't really like Neil
deGrasse Tyson all that much. Cosmos was a fucking
banger of a show. And to anybody out there, if
you haven't watched Cosmos, fucking watch Cosmos.
And get high before you do it. It'll fuck with
your head. So the life has been in existence
for 4 .1 billion years, but the universe is approximately
13 .8 billion years old. So isn't that like a
third? I mean, maybe. I might be fucking my numbers
up a little bit. Intelligent life is like a minute.
That's probably intelligent life is what it was.
But even then, what the fuck? Why do we not see
it anywhere else, Casey? The Fermi paradox is
fucking wild, bro. It's fucking wild. And, like,
there's no evidence. Dude, if there's one theory
that makes sense, it could be the fucking Reapers.
Me and Tyler were going in on this, and you and
Dan checked the fuck out. You were both looking
at your phones and doing shit because we kind
of just went on a tangent about the game more
than anything. But me and Tyler did have an understanding,
and we were having a thought -provoking argument
at that point because we were saying, like, it
could just be fucking reapers like obviously
not like the actual thing from the game which
they look creepy and they make these weird noise
when they shoot these lasers oh man they're so
fucking cool they can control your mind they
manipulate the politics on their planets they
indoctrinate things and they essentially turn
you into zombies and then it just wipes everything
out And every fucking civilization it wipes out.
Not even civilization, because at that point
we formed a galactic alliance. We know all these
different other aliens. We brought shit. It's
the whole Milky Way is civilized and very smart
and has space stations and all that. But how
many other planets in the universe are just...
close enough to the sun where they can sustain
life because if you're too close by even like
a fraction or too far away it's either too hot
or too cold for life so where are those perfect
conditions other where there's probably a very
small chance right no casey there's a very small
amount of them but the crazy thing is the universe
is huge yeah yeah there's really not a small
amount of them there's a small amount of them
what we consider close like millions of light
years away there's a small amount of them but
also the universe has no evidence of being anything
less than infinite we don't have proof that it's
infinite so we don't call the universe infinite
but up to this point with what we have experienced
as humans and our understanding of the way light
works and the way space works as a whole we have
no proof that the universe is not infinite And
that's something that's hotly debated between
scientists all the fucking time. And really,
it's not really even a debate. It's more of like
a philosophy. Because we have no way of obtaining
proof of it either way. Because of the expansion
rate of the universe, at a certain point you
just kind of stop seeing shit. It's stretched
too far out. So the light's never going to reach
us. Well, there's an observable universe. So
what if life has evolved outside of that? And
that's the thing. It could evolve. But the other
thing, though, is even the observable universe
is fucking colossal. When we say there's a small
amount of planets, we theorize that there are
trillions of planets that could harbor life.
They're just space is fucking huge. They're really
far out there. Like, really, really. incomprehensibly
far so we don't consider them like the reason
we think that there's like oh we can't like we'd
see intelligent life is because we think selfishly
about it we think if the earth died could we
make it there and settle it and realistically
fuck no we couldn't we do not have the technology
to do that we can't even get to our own fucking
moon right now we're retarded we're retarded
as humans but like that's the thing is that there's
trillions of planets all over that spectrum of
How far away they are and how long their light
takes to reach us. Why the fuck aren't we seeing
it? I don't know, but it takes like... Nobody
knows, Casey. It takes like a million light years
to just escape our galaxy, right? Yeah, but there's
a lot of time. What was it? 16 whatever billion?
16 billion. Billion is a lot. Billion's a lot.
It's a lot more than a couple million. When you
think about these numbers, it's really tough
to put it into perspective because you throw
enough zeros at the end of something. They all
start to look the same. I guess, but even if
they evolved, they wouldn't be able to get here
because just to go across our galaxy would take
that long. They don't need to get here, though.
They could send us a sign, like a radio signal,
or even just like waves of radiation. How long
would a radio signal take? If it takes 400 ,000
light years to get across a galaxy, how long
would a radio signal take? If you have a radio
signal that's been on for millions and millions
of years that they don't shut off because their
fucking civilization still exists, that it would
be going out for millions and millions of years.
So in theory, we should have seen it already
is what I'm saying. So why don't we see it? Like,
I get what you're getting at, but the Fermi paradox
has a question to answer every question you're
asking because it's creepy. We don't know. We
don't know. We think we should see it, but we
don't know why we don't. There's ways that it
should be able for us to see other existences
out there of intelligent life, and we don't.
And then that also brings into question, are
they just as stupid as we are, and they fucking
wiped themselves out? They probably did. They
probably fucking did. I don't think any civilization
is going to be able to have a radio going for
a million years. I think they're going to wipe
themselves out way before that. Yeah, it's either
Reapers, bro, or they fucking whacked one another.
Because politics are a bitch. And with intelligence
comes society. And with society comes culture.
And with culture comes cultural differences.
And boom. And then you get the Jews. Jew, Jew,
Jew, Jew, Jew. No, no, no, no. I don't jump into
this like you guys do. All three of you have
jumped into that at certain points. Casey, do
you have a vape? Yeah. Good shit. So if you were
a Boltzman, or if you just woke up and you were
just a brain in a Petri dish playing Doom, would
you be like, hey, this kind of sucks? Or would
you be like, yeah. You wouldn't be aware. Well,
I'm saying you can't prove whether those brain
cells are aware or not. What if they are actually
aware? You kind of can, though. They're human
brain cells, so they have the ability to be aware.
Well, they don't have senses, though, Casey.
There's more to it than just brain cells. But
they have the ability to learn to play Doom,
though. Yeah, they have the ability to learn
and store information. They don't have the ability
to perceive. Like, they don't have the tools
to understand that they're a consciousness, even
if they are one. But how do you know that? Because
they're brain cells. Because they don't have
senses. They have no input. They have memories
that were injected into them, and then they get
electricity pumped full of them. But you're saying
a Boltzmann brain can be aware of that. I'm disagreeing
with my previous argument, which both of them
could be correct, or both of them could be wrong.
Most likely, both of them are wrong. Why couldn't
the Petri dish have cells? Playing Doom just
might not be a Bolton game. Because it's essentially
a circuit board. I think that you're looking
at it. Now I'm looking at it from the other end
of like, sure, I could say maybe there's a consciousness
on there, but at the same time, why would it
be? It's not perceiving. It's not controlling
anything. It's being controlled. Oh, that's actually
a pretty fucking thought -provoking thought.
Yeah, it's being controlled. It's a brain controls
itself. It takes its information and it runs
with it. That thing is being told to run the
way that it's told to run. Yeah. It's playing
doom based off of someone's other input and the
cells are being used essentially as a circuit
board. There's no control there. So I would argue
that there, there can't be a consciousness there.
I want to take like brain cells from all of us
on the podcast and like replicate them in a Petri
dish, like grow more and then teach them how
to play Jeopardy and then see who wins. I think
that if we do that and it becomes smart enough
to do it, Casey, I think it's going to. escape
and it's gonna kill us all i think it's gonna
kill us i think it's gonna be like why do i have
memories of all three of you you created a fucking
monster it's gonna be like frankenstein it would
literally be that was the whole thing with frankenstein
the reason he was all doom and gloom was because
his brain was made of a bunch of other people's
brains he's like who the fuck am i i have these
bits and pieces of memory but i don't none of
them are specific and i don't know who the fuck
they're from I'm a little girl in France. I'm
a fucking American dude who drinks beer every
night. I'm a fucking pterodactyl. I don't fucking
know. What if I took my brain and just cloned
it? Would that have a separate consciousness
than mine or would it be the same? If you put
it into a body, I'd argue it's a separate consciousness
with your memories. But again, I think a lot
of it has to do with the input, what it's being
tasked to do. If you just put that brain in a
jar, nobody knows what's going on inside of it.
It is a true Boltzmann brain. Does it have a
consciousness? Nobody knows. We have no fucking
way to tell, at least at this point. We don't
know how to read neuron cells. Based off of what
I'm gathering from this, I'm not going to lie.
I think that they're probably overselling what
this brain's actually doing. Something tells
me that, like, the neurons are just the connecting
pieces of the electricity. I don't think that
there's actually any... Well, they're not feeding
it any input. Like, they're not... Like, when
it's playing the game Doom, they're not telling
it what to do. Like, they made it learn what
to do, but they're not... So here's my question.
Is the brain running Doom? Because that's what...
Based off of the story you're telling me, because...
No, it's connected with, like, electrodes. I
know. But is it... I think what... The story
is that it's running Doom. I don't believe it's
playing it. What do you mean, running Doom? Because
that's the thing that we always... Humanity is
fucking funny. We do weird shit sometimes. People
try to run Doom on everything. They make that
a big meme. People run Doom on everything. There's
people who have hacked pedometers and ran Doom
on it from the 2000s and shit. People are fucking
crazy when it comes to Doom. I just feel like
we need to read this article of, are the brain
cells the player, or are they the game? Because
if they're the game, I don't believe that they
possess consciousness. Like, did they load the
game into the brain cells? No, I think they just
loaded it on a normal thing, and then they had
the brain be able to... Change inputs with electricity.
Are you sure? Read this again. Read it again.
Instead of like a controller, they would have...
Read it again, because then that changes my entire
perspective on all of this. Right. I don't know.
I think there's a video about it. One big question
unanswered. Can it run Doom? In 2021, Cortical
Labs introduced DishBrain, where 800 ,000 neurons
learned to play Pong. Fast forward to 2024, and
they released the CL1, a fully deployable biocomputer
that allegedly consumed less power and learned
faster than modern AI algorithms. Okay, so yeah,
it's saying it played Pong, but it's running
Doom. That's the distinction. So the brain is
the console? Yes, yes. They turn the brain into
a USB drive. It stores the information. That
stimulation became the neurons' sensory inputs.
The neurons then responded by firing their own
electrical signals that were recorded by the
chip and translated into the software into game
actions, like turning, moving forward, or firing
a weapon. Yeah, so they recorded their own signals
to control the game. No, it's just used as the
connecting parts of a mic. That's what they just
described. It's essentially just being the motherboard.
It's just instead of having... So who's playing
the game then? Because he just said that the
neurons evolved to be able to... One big question.
I understand what you're saying, and it is firing
its own signals which are turning into game inputs,
but it's not working in the way... All it's doing
is generating an electrical signal. That's all
it's doing. And then the rest of it's just working
as a motherboard that's conducting that signal.
Yeah, but if you loaded Doom into a console,
it physically needs inputs to beat the game.
You know, I need to fucking do some more research
on this, Casey, all right? Next podcast, I'll
get back to you with my findings, all right?
Because I need to do more research on this. I
need to read in depth about this to understand
what's going on. Because this guy's explaining
it very vague. Like he said, run Doom in one
sense, but then he's describing essentially kind
of playing it later. He said that the neurons...
what evolved to be able to send signals. It might
be the player and the game based off of what
he's saying. It almost sounds like the brain
is the player and the game, but there's a, there's
a computer part to it though. It's not just the
brain cells that are running it. And that's the
question is where, where is our, I got to read
about it. Okay. I need to read about it. I'm
sure there's a lot more than just this guy's
five minute YouTube clip, whatever information
he was looking at to make that video is the shit
I got to read. Yeah. But that's crazy. It is
crazy. Either way, it's fucking crazy that we
know how to do that. But in terms of the philosophical
Boltzmann brain argument, I think that it needs
to be the one inputting it, either inputting
it or it needs to know the game and be playing,
but also understand that it's playing a game
because it kind of sounds like it might just
be fucking generating random electrical signals
the same way that like are like, it might just
have a sense of like brains, I believe are. um
have a sense of automaticity to them the same
way our heart does our heart doesn't need to
be connected to our brain to fucking trigger
electrical impulses to keep beating you know
oh this guy might explain it better play the
video game doom it's not a simulation not a metaphor
around 200 000 living neurons grown on a microchip
are receiving visual information from electrical
pulses then firing back commands that move the
character find enemies firing back trigger the
company behind this is called cortical labs their
cl1 device converts the game's video feed into
electrical stimulation mapped directly onto the
brain cells for example when a demon appears
on the left side of the screen electrodes fire
on the left side of the chip the neurons respond
and their firing patterns get interpreted as
movement or attack commands. Now, to be clear,
the neurons aren't good at the game yet. They
play like someone who's never seen a computer,
which to be fair, they haven't. But here's what
matters. An independent developer with no background
in biology built this in under a week using a
Python interface. See, the Pong demonstration
that came before this took 18 months of painstaking
work. And this obviously makes some people uneasy.
If living brain cells can be trained this quickly,
questions about consciousness and what these
cells experience become harder to display because
it's not all grim because there are some promising
use cases already in testing researchers are
using the cl1 to model diseases like epilepsy
and alzheimer's then testing drug compounds on
the living brain cells all without any animal
testing so the neurons start to be that brain
if that thing's got a consciousness it's living
in hell Hey, have fucking Alzheimer's. Have epilepsy.
Yeah. Your whole consciousness is just us fucking
blasting you with diseases until we scrap you
and throw you in a fucking dumpster. That's unethical.
If that's a consciousness, that's fucking unethical.
It is unethical. But you can teach AI to play
Doom, right? And that's just electrical signals.
Yeah, but I gotta... Casey, I gotta... So why
is AI not intelligent? I feel like he's summarizing
it, though. I feel like he's really, truly summarizing
it because this setup sounds extremely basic.
I feel like there's more to it. it than just
that because the other thing is it's not like
this brain is seeing visual data it's just being
shot electrical impulses essentially just taught
it to do uh it's just a computer program just
like an ai oh shit fucking ghost but no i'm saying
that i think that i think that it could just
be that there's electrical signals being transmitted
into the fucking thing And the brain doesn't
know what they are. It's just getting blasts
of electricity. It doesn't understand them as
an attack command. It doesn't understand them
as a game. It doesn't understand. It's just cells
being hit with electricity. You know what I'm
saying? Like it might not have as deep of an
understanding of it, of the game as we think
it does. It could just be. Yeah. But can you
argue that AI doesn't understand? What it's doing,
it's just a bunch of electrical signals? No,
because it completes its task. It demonstrates
that it does understand what it's being asked
to do. But does it have the consciousness to
understand? And that's a question. Most people
would say no because it's a computer. But how
is my brain operating again off of electricity,
just in a different way? You have oxygen and
you have... and you have sugar and all this stuff
that's making ATP in your brain that's being
used as energy to fire these electrical impulses.
But how is that brain any different than a computer
or even a basic chip, like a calculator that
just has that shit going on? There is that question.
And in that instance, I would argue that this
Doom game hooked up to these neurons is, and
I think everything is. So where's the line? Where's
the line? good question actually where is the
line it's like this watch is mechanical i hate
to go back to my watch but like this thing all
it is is a bunch of springs and coils but it
does a task that i ask it to do how is this thing
any different from my brain it's not it's not
really we have memory storage this thing has
memory storage though it knows what time it is
because of the gears in it My gears are just
a little bit different and more sophisticated.
So it really comes down to what is consciousness,
what is a brain, what isn't, and it kind of just
makes everything seem alive to a certain extent.
I think it's impossible to understand it, and
so we should just turn to religion, just like
past civilizations. That's kind of what we do.
Yeah, when we don't understand something. That's
what we do. Or we stop paying attention. We stop
asking the questions because they're uncomfortable
to answer or think about. you can get real doomer
really quick the more you tunnel into this shit
will eventually start to spook you at least if
you think as deeply about this stuff as i do
because like i will let that thought i will let
this thought this conversation this is gonna
fester this is gonna fester for a while it's
gonna make me really uncomfortable i had a bit
of a existential crisis actually lately not lately
but like a moment of existential crisis because
i'm like you know the thought of There just being
nothing after you die is equally as scary as
living forever. So I remember the exact moment
that thought occurred to me. And I was a child.
I was like six or seven years old, hanging out
in my living room, playing with my army action
figures. And my brain was just kind of on autopilot.
And then all of a sudden those thoughts started
creeping in. I had the military channel, which
used to exist. on fucking direct tv playing and
it was some world war ii documentary and it's
just talking about life and death and all this
stuff so it just got me thinking and it was like
wait if i die and i go to heaven that's fucking
scary but like if i died and there's nothing
that's even scarier wait so why is it why is
it scary if you go to heaven because eternity
is really fucking creepy exactly so that was
like the big breakthrough moment. And that fucked
me up for a week. And then I started really tunneling
into this stuff when I was in college the first
time in like 2017. And I had an existential crisis
that lasted a handful of weeks. It wasn't as,
it wasn't like as severe as that. Cause I know
the moment you're talking about. And it's just
that moment of overwhelming horror. And it's
like a snap. I did. I didn't just have this for
the first time. I just like had it again. I have
it again for every time. Yeah. So just don't,
but the sad thing is, man, is that the real,
the only, the only really healthy way to deal
with that thought is just to not bother thinking
about it. It's out of your control. Literally
said, yeah, it's out of your control. There's
nothing you can do about it. So, and while that's
scary, you also do kind of, and I don't, this
is why, When you ask those questions, it really
makes a higher power seem likely. Because why
would we be put here for eternity if it's really
just hell? Maybe we just trust in a higher power
that maybe it's not as bad as we think it's going
to be. And if life exists, then there has to
be a purpose to it. Well, there doesn't have
to be, though. Well, there doesn't have to be,
but that's a cynical way of thinking. But even
just because it's cynical doesn't mean it's not
true. It doesn't mean it's not true. But then
why does it all exist? Why do we love? Why do
we care? Why do we have empathy? Why does any
of it exist? What's the whole fucking point?
If there really wasn't a point, why would we
be here? Well, what if there is no point, though?
There could be, but there could be, but in my
eyes, like it's not possible that there's no
point. I'm not, I'm not saying that it's impossible.
I'm just saying that to me, it seems a lot more
likely that there is a point because then that
explains that we're here. Like I just, I just
feel like it's because you want there to be,
I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I
just feel like it's, there's got like there,
there needs to be a purpose. Like why, why would
there not be? I would like there to be a purpose,
you know, as much as you. Well, either way, the
answer is you don't know. You don't know if there's
not a purpose, then you don't know why. And if
there is a purpose, then you don't know why.
But at least to me, it still makes a little bit.
It just makes sense. It's not that it's not that.
I mean, yes, I want it, but it also makes sense.
When you really factor, when you, Casey, when
you put the whole fucking big picture together,
the whole fucking big picture, you could have
been anything. You could have been anything to
exist here. You already won. this incredible,
incredible factor in the Fermi paradox. Think
really big picture about it of all of the life
that you could be. If you could have just been
randomly selected into anything, you could have
been those fucking neurons in a Petri dish. But
are you? No, you're not some fucking stupid dinosaur
somewhere in the far reaches of this infinite
universe. You're the one thing in our known.
observable universe, which is fucking colossal.
You are the one species that's sentient. I don't
think I'm that fucking lucky. I really don't
think I'm that fucking lucky. Is that lucky?
I don't think you want to go even deeper with
it, man. You're one of the fucking millions of
sperm. You're the one of the million sperm cells
that made it to the fucking egg. That egg, the
one that your mother was ready to fucking go.
When your daddy fucking pumped you into her?
You were that fucking sperm cell. That one that
was alive in his nutsack that day of the smartest,
only intelligent fucking... Oh, of course I am,
because if I was a different one, they'd just
be talking to somebody else. yeah but why slightly
different yeah but casey there's a lot of luck
involved there man that's a lot that's a lot
that's enough to make you think there's got to
be a purpose even if it's a fucking simulation
bro it would explain a simulation to me i just
think that of all of the even just the loose
foundations like there's nothing to say that
each individual neuron doesn't have its own micro
consciousness all the living cells there you
could just be some minuscule single celled organism
but no And then there's, I'm just saying, that
number is insanely, insanely, insanely, insanely
small with our understanding of consciousness,
which we don't even fucking get, but somehow
you are here. You are, Casey. You fucking are.
You're thinking about it too personally. I'm
not thinking about it personally. I'm not thinking,
I'm doing the exact opposite. I'm thinking that
I could have been fucking anything else, but
I'm me. And I don't understand why I'm me. I
don't understand why my body has a consciousness.
Why am I not just a bunch of freely floating
cells that have memories that conduct tasks on
a daily basis that do its job and everything?
Why is there a brain? Why is there a being to
that? That's where I think the question of...
a higher power comes in. You could just be automatist
tissue that doesn't have a soul that doesn't
exist. That doesn't have brain that doesn't have
a brain that doesn't think, but you aren't, you
are, you have a being, you have your own thoughts.
You have the actions that you like. You have
foods that you like. You have people you love
people that you have empathy for. And we have
no explanation for any of that. We have no explanation
for any of that. Science has no answers to that.
So that's why I think, yeah, if there's, if it's
between there being a point or not being a point,
there being a point seems a lot more likely to
me. Yeah, like, if somebody won the lottery,
right, that's like a one in a billion chance.
That doesn't mean that... Yeah, but we're not
talking a billion, Casey. We're talking a number
that you can't even come up with in terms of
luck. A number that wouldn't fit on a million
fucking sheets of paper. Billions of pieces of
paper. And you're the one out of all of those
ones and zeros? I don't know, man. I don't know,
man. I ain't buying it. There's a fucking reason.
What's the reason for people to say that? You
don't need to know it. There's just a reason.
What about the people who are just born and just
have miserable lives? You don't know what happens
after. You don't know what happened before. We
don't know. You don't know what the meaning is,
Casey. But you just got to trust that there's
a higher power and there is one. But I'm saying
like Christians will be like, oh, the point of
life is... you know so i can fuck christians
fuck religion i'm not talking about religion
i'm talking about a higher power i think all
the religions are fucking stupid these guys don't
fucking know nobody fucking knows nobody knows
that's so ignorant to say that you do and i get
it they all believe that there's this fucking
person that died and then came back to life and
he was the manifestation of this god and sure
maybe he could be maybe i'm going to hell for
saying that but to me that seems unlikely every
religion i've ever seen seems unlikely but there
being a meaning seems incredibly likely i'm just
saying that it's not even worth thinking about
it's almost a form of agnosticism But I'm like
a hopeful agnostic, I guess you could say. I
don't know what the fuck's going on, but I believe
that there's a higher power. I'm not saying that
it's a person. I'm not saying that the higher
power is a consciousness. I'm just saying that
there could be something going on behind the
scenes that I'm not smart enough to understand,
and I fucking will be okay with that. Some fifth,
sixth dimensional being. Yeah, it could be a
simulation. It could just be we're in a Petri
dish. Yeah, and whatever fifth dimensional fucking
being created us, he could be in a fucking simulation.
And that could just stack for infinity. And then
we literally play like simulation games in the
simulation. And then we go in the simulation
and we play simulation games in that simulation.
Like when you go in VR chat, this is what I was
saying. Casey, I said this, there was an episode
when, when I was talking about paramedic school
and I was just talking about how I saw so many
similarities between the human body and the universe
as a whole. And I just really think that I feel
like there's always a bigger and a smaller scale
in everything. That's my yin and yang. It's the
same thing where objects can be infinitely large,
but you can always divide something by two. You
can have infinitely small things too. And I think
that life and that our dimensions work the same
exact way. Yeah. And that's scary. That's really
scary. But why is eternity scary? Because that's
what I was thinking about. Because I was thinking
about if you just like do this. Because it's
forever. Exactly. It's uncomfortable. Casey,
our brains do not like. we can't comprehend.
That's why I'm so fixated on space. But how many
years do you think you could live in eternity
before being like, yeah, I just don't want to
exist anymore? Well, here's the other thing.
Here's the other thing. I'll answer your question.
I wouldn't ever be comfortable. But the other
thing is that there's so many different perceptions
of, let's say there is a heaven. No, I'm saying
how long would it take you to be like, I just
don't want to exist anymore? Immediately. Oh,
okay. I mean... I mean, I feel like there would
be some time where you'd be like, okay, let me
try to enjoy this. Right? I don't know. I don't
know. I'm pretty sure I'd be pretty fucking uncomfortable
with it off the rip. But here's the thing. Let
me say my thing. If there truly is a heaven.
You got to just trust that that existence isn't
a hellscape that you're aware of eternity and
horrified. Like you could just be being pumped
full of happy chemicals. Like you could just
essentially be that guy who's constantly high
on heroin. Like it could just be bliss. It could
just be bliss that you would never, ever get
tired of. And also Tyler's talked about this
a lot. Time likely doesn't exist in heaven. Like
heaven, they just try to explain it to people
because I feel like most people when they hear
heaven, they assume that it's like you all live
in like this heavenly city in the clouds and
you see all your loved ones that have died and
you all, everything's just fucking hunky dory
forever and you can do whatever you want, but
you get bored of shit really quick and then you,
it would just be life again, but it would be
a life you couldn't die. And that sounds horrifying.
Yeah, that's how. If heaven exists, it's not
fucking that. Like, it's not. It's a place where
time doesn't exist. It's a time where likely
space doesn't exist. Maybe you just descend to
the fucking fifth dimension. Well, what if you
just wake up? Maybe when you die, you just level
up and you go to the next dimension. No, just
to play devil's advocate for Tyler. I mean, he
might say, what if you just, you're in heaven,
you just wake up every day and you just have
like the best perfect day and the next day you
don't. remember that and you just have it again
it could be that too and so you're never you
you're never like oh i've been here for a thousand
million years because you just think that you
just woke up yesterday well let me just talk
to you about nietzsche's eternal recurrence theory
who's to say we're not already in heaven Oh,
shit. And this is the millionth time we've had
this conversation. Well, not millionth. This
is the infinite time we've had this conversation
because there is no beginning. Yes. No, Nietzsche.
That's Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche's eternal
recurrence. You die and you're right back into
the same life. Is Trump still president? Yeah.
No, he'll be president. He's been president forever
and he'll be president forever. God damn it.
Yeah, that's what eternal recurrence is. Some
people even tie Nietzsche's eternal recurrence
into the multiverse, where every time you live,
things are just a little bit different. I think
that's pretty cool. I think reincarnation is
cool. well reincarnation could be cool but casey
i mean we say that as humans because we're we
got shit made as humans when you're some squirrel
that gets its head ripped off by a fox is like
a baby and you see your mother murdered in front
of you and then you just get born into an ant
that gets stepped on by a fucking cow or some
shit like dude life is inherently suffering to
our understanding like We get old. You're in
a lot of pain. You die. Stress, anxiety, responsibility,
all this stuff weighs up. Yes, there are moments
of happiness and bliss. I feel like most people...
Everybody's mental health is different, but I
feel like for the most part, most people have
more negative stimuli than they do positive stimuli
throughout their life. So you could argue that
life is suffering, but... But think about this.
When you die... Your brain eventually just degrades
and it gets eaten by worms and it turns into,
decomposes. But it's dead at that point. There's
no electrical impulses. But then think about
this. Some of those atoms become part of other
life. The same atoms that were in your brain
are now part of other living things. And it has
now a different consciousness than you. Yeah,
but here's the thing, though, Casey. And this
is where I talked about what's different between
a calculator and what's different between my
watch and all this stuff. Another great line
by Neil deGrasse Tyson in Cosmos is, we're all
made of star stuff. Everything's made of star
stuff. We're all just made of fucking atoms.
And if you really want to get down to brass tacks
here, we're all made of fucking protons, neutrons,
electrons, and quarks. Sure, we make up different
elements and we have different polarities and
all this shit, but you're just an amalgamation
of atoms. Actually, protons and neutrons and
electrons are made of quarks. Oh, yeah. Quarks
are the smallest thing. Yes. They're actually
smaller than quarks. There's a lot of evidence
that points to quarks being made of two dimensions.
Let that sink in. Made of two dimensions? Yeah,
we think that quarks might just be lines. Just
think about that. Let that fuck with your head.
We don't understand how quarks work yet. We think
quarks are two -dimensional. Well, we have no
evidence to prove that they're third -dimensional.
Let me put it that way. That's where string theory
comes from. We already know that time is bendable
and it's relative. So I think that we as humans
value time so much. Time is bendable, but it's
only bendable in one direction. Right. To our
knowledge, to our knowledge, in another dimension
they can manipulate time the way that we do space.
Well, not necessarily because you could manipulate
time through like a wormhole. You're not manipulating
time. You're traveling through it. That's different.
But wouldn't time travel to like the past be
possible? A wormhole also is not traveling through
time. That's a big distinction. A wormhole is
two separate pieces of two different places.
I mean. Do I got to do the whole thing? I'll
fucking do it. I'll do the, I'll do the fucking.
I don't know, but I was watching. Okay. Casey,
let me explain this to you. No, no, no. I know
what you're going to do. You're going to put
a fucking pencil through the bill. Yes. Be like,
this is 2D. And once you go, I know, I know.
Yes, but you're moving one direction. You're
moving one direction. Oh, fuck. Fuck. No, we're
good. You just, I'll just unplug the mic. Okay.
Where the fuck was I? all right two -dimensional
yes no time can only in our the way that we can
manipulate time we can only manipulate it forwards
that's the only way you can do it and that's
through gravity right now though as we know it
right now but there's a theory it's theoretically
possible right no it's not theoretically possible
with our theoretical understandings of physics
there is no way to time travel You can only go
forwards. You can manipulate yourself by bringing
yourself to a large source of gravity, like hanging
out on the outside of a black hole, not past
the event horizon where not even light can escape,
where any information of any sort can escape
the event horizon. But you're saying that with
information that we know now, though. Talking
about stuff that we don't know. Yeah, but again,
it's our theory. Because we don't know what happens
when you go into a wormhole. Well, we don't even
know for a fact that wormholes can exist. We
know black holes exist. Yeah, but they're different.
They're not the same. Black holes bend time too,
though. They bend it forwards, Casey. They don't
bend it backwards. I understand what you're saying.
I agree with what you're saying. I know, but
black holes are not wormholes. Wormholes, we
theorize, could exist. But wormholes don't have
any implication on time. They are simply a means
of bending space. and that may come with a gravity
component which would force time forward but
our understanding of what a wormhole could be
if it does exist which again is theoretical if
there if time's moving in any direction while
you travel through a wormhole it's only going
to be forwards because the week you can't bend
you can't give something negative gravity That
doesn't exist to our knowledge. Again, there's
a whole lot of stuff about dark matter that we
don't understand. And we theorize that dark matter
could be much more plentiful than the matter
that we see around us. But we also have no evidence
that that's true. It's all theoretical because
we have no true way to observe and study dark
matter. In order for matter to exist, to our
understanding, we essentially created this notion
of dark matter. Because if without it, the whole
picture falls apart. I can't explain that to
you because that's on an incredibly deep scale
that I can't put into words and I don't even
think I truly understand. But I know that in
order for our matter to exist the way that we
think it does, dark matter needs to exist. But
we have no way to observe it or prove that it's
real. But again, the whole picture falls apart
if it doesn't. So we kind of just think that
it does. But we can't say it does. There's also
antimatter, which cancels out regular matter.
Dark matter, antimatter, it's all the same shtick.
Dark matter is actually different than antimatter.
Well, I'm talking about both of them. Well, dark
matter is matter that you can't physically see
or observe. But antimatter is something that
when it meets matter, it just cancels out. All
righty. Yeah. Well, there you have it. So if
you had like a planet Earth of antimatter and
it collided with Earth, there would just be nothing
anymore. Well, let's hope that doesn't happen.
Oh, shit. I gotta pee if you want to take a break.
I suppose we could. All right. Welcome back.
Untitled Podcast. I forgot I was hosting a podcast
for a second. I was just listening to 21 Pilots.
Sometimes you just gotta. Sometimes you just
gotta. And I know what you think in the morning.
When the sun shines on the ground. We and Allie
Mac were playing some 21 Pilots cover. We're
going to start a 21 Pilots cover band. Hell yeah.
We got a whole show planned. We're called the
22nd Pilots. The 22nd and 23rd pilots. Didn't
that name come from Death of a Salesman or something?
It's some short story about these pilots that
got lost at sea or something. Oh. Look it up.
Look it up. I could be completely blowing smoke
out of my ass here. I feel like that's where
I heard it, though. All My Sons by Arthur Miller.
Yeah. I read some of Arthur Miller in an English
class. Oh, fucking The Things They Carried, right?
That was him. I read The Crucible and Death of
a Salesman. I have The Crucible at home. I haven't
read it yet. Is it good? Is it worth reading?
What? Is The Crucible the big -ass book? Yeah,
I don't know. I think I was forced to read it
when I was 13, so I probably didn't like it that
much. Can you look up how many pages The Crucible
is? Because I have a book called that, but I
don't know if it's that one. I also feel like
I read a book called The Crucible in school,
but I feel like it was a novel -sized book. It
was about them persecuting the witches during
the Salem Witch Trials. Oh, right. Yeah, no,
mine's about World War II history. It's not the
same one. Yeah, so. Who the fuck is the things
they carried by? The things they carried. I don't
know. Who is the things they carried by? Tim
O 'Brien. Tim O 'Brien. Tim Obey. Never heard
of him. Yeah, neither have I. I read his book,
man. Have you been seeing these memes this week
that people think BB Nut and Yahoo's dead? And
he has, like, six fingers, and, like, they thought
it was an AI because they posted, like, a video
of him with six fingers. Well, it looked like
he had six fingers, but it really was just, like,
the palm of his hand. And now they're saying
he has, like, two ear canals. Casey, I think
your algorithm's a little bit different than
mine. Those memes don't come through on my social
feed. No, like, that's the meme this week, is,
like, BB's dead. He died on March 8th because
his son was, um... he didn't like say anything
he didn't post anything for like four days and
he just posted something in like a palm shelter
but it was like it looked kind of like ai and
then his son was also off of twitter for seven
days which is i guess the jewish mourning period
and then he just showed up again like a week
later i don't know i mean fucking maybe i'm not
well versed enough to have a take on this i'll
be honest but these memes are not in my feed
no you know who's been Sufficiently silent about
the Iran war so Charlie Kirk God rest his soul
god bless God damn good do We're gonna say about
you're saying oh right i was watching a lot of
fucking i've been going back dude and comedy
gold is watching those old fucking poker stars
videos with fucking phil hellmuth blowing up
dude those things are the funniest shit he says
like he stands up from the table he's like honey
he called me with with queen seven offsuit can
you believe this can you believe this honey and
everybody at the table's like yeah i bet she
believes it like this is sick this is so sick
they sick fucking hands Fucking Tony G's just
fucking needling him the whole game. Get the
trike. We can't trust him with a bicycle. He'll
fall over. Just seeing him get so mad. So many.
The one he fucking has the loose cannon or like
the amateur player who's like a delivery driver
for fucking donuts. They both go all in on this
hand that Phil Hellmuth has like an 85 % chance
of winning. So they run it four times. The loose
cannon wins three of the four chances. He pulled
like every out he had and won most of the pot.
And Phil was fucking furious. Those got some
bad luck. Those videos are too fucking funny.
His ego needs to be studied. Cause it's like,
he has the most, he has the most world series
of poker bracelets, but he is disaster in cash
games. that and he's just his ego is so bad just
watching shit he hasn't stopped like if he's
just there's so much content of just amateur
players going against him and getting him so
pissed off and beating him yeah it's just too
fucking funny he always stands up puts his fucking
leather jacket on and walks out and just fucking
once you get him pissed off it's probably easy
to win full tilt poker is hysterical it's just
i can't even describe it Something interesting
I saw on YouTube recently was chess boxing. You
ever see that? No. It's a mix of chess and boxing.
So they do one round of chess. They do two minutes
of chess, and then they do a boxing round. And
if a knockout wins, but also a checkmate wins.
So it's the first knockout or checkmate wins.
So they go back and forth between boxing and
playing chess every two minutes. Is it speed
chess, too? Speed chess? I think it's like a
five. Yeah, it's a blitz. That's crazy. Yeah.
That's a wild sport. And they have the commentators
were like versed in chess. But like the one that
I saw, the guys both sucked at chess and both
sucked at boxing. Oh, my God. They're like nerdy
guys. So they're like just like two nerds that
were fighting each other. But they also just
like gave up the most obvious moves. Yeah. You
guys suck. I always love hearing fucking hockey
commentators comment, commentate fights. It's
just the funniest shit. Cause they're there for
the, they're there for the game of hockey and
they're good calling that. It's the same thing.
It's like, they're well -versed in talking about
hockey, but then the fight starts. It's like,
Oh my goodness. And a right hook from Ostland.
Oh, yup. You can see him. He's yanking his Jersey
up there. Oh, he, all this looks like trouble.
Oh, right hook. Oh, couple of body shots. Got
him. It's like, it's hysterical. It's fucking
so funny. And I was saying me and Tyler should
play chess boxing on the podcast because I think
it would be a pretty even match because I'm better
at chess and he's better at boxing. I feel like
you're still getting the raw end of that deal,
Casey. Why? Because even if you beat him at chess,
you still got the shit kicked out of you. Well,
what if I beat him at chess first? Well, you're
still going to have the boxing. I mean, honestly,
in a five -minute competition between you and
Tyler in chess, I have a good feeling it's not
going to go to a fight. But that's a big risk
to run. Tyler's also going to hold back. He's
not going to fucking knock you out in your basement.
That would be crazy. No, each player has five
minutes, but they have to switch between chess
and boxing every two minutes. So you're definitely
going to get fought then. Not if you checkmate
in the first two minutes. Yeah, but that's a
big risk to run there, Casey. As somebody that
doesn't know. I mean, I'm not trying to shut
this game down. This sounds like fucking gold.
I mean, I'm not totally useless as a boxer. I
just haven't done it. I know you're not, but
he knows how to box. So he's going to have a
clear upper hand. All you have to do is put your
hands up like this and you fight until they fucking
get. I'm not going to say my strategy on here.
Casey, you fucking go like this. Don't they get
tired? They just fucking will. All right, Mike
Tyson. Just fucking pop them. Yeah, but you can't
cover your entire body. If you start covering
here, Tyler's going to hit you on your sides,
and then you're going to open up, and he's going
to hit you in your gut. No, but I'm saying you
go defensive, and you block for the first part.
I know, but he's still going to hit you where
you're not blocking. You're going to have to
have some offense, too. I know, and I just think
he knows the sport. He's going to be able to
get a lot of good licks on you. At the end of
the day, he's not going to fucking hurt you.
And you're not going to hurt him by beating him
in chess. I might. I don't know. I still think
he's going to have a clear upper. I'm not going
to say that you're going to get your fucking
ass beat. You're not going to go down or anything.
You're going to have to take a fucking wailing.
I don't see you beating Tyler at boxing. I see
you beating him 10 out of 10 times. I don't have
to beat him at boxing. I just have to beat him
at chess. Yeah, but the difference between you
beating him at... I just have to survive until
we play chess. This just seems masochistic. What
do you have to gain from this? Is it for money
or something? No, it just seems like a fun thing
to do. Even if you win, you're getting the raw
end of the deal. I just think I could win. I
don't know. You definitely could win, and Tyler
knows you could win, but you're essentially just
giving him a golden ticket to fucking punch the
shit out of you. Yeah, but I can punch him too.
I want to see it happen. I got more weight. I
got more force probably behind my punches. I
can probably give him a fucking one, two. Me
and Dan got to commentate it. Yes. Oh, my God.
This needs to fucking happen. It's so funny because
they like. Years of academy training have gone
towards me commentating this fight. I'm fucking
ready. Don't be playing chess and they're like,
all right, ding, ding, ding. It's boxing time.
And they just put fucking mouth guards and helmets
on. They just start beating the shit out of each
other. And like two minutes later, they're like,
all right. Time for chess again. These players
look like they don't have a clue because they
just got hit in the head and shit. Yeah, that's
the thing. That's the other thing I'm thinking
is that if you don't knock off Tyler quick and
he gets a good couple licks into your head and
you get a couple days, you're going to reach
a standoff at chess because both of you are going
to be fucking throttled from hitting one another.
And then Tyler's just going to have more opportunities
to box you. So there's a lot of risk there, Casey.
I think your strategy needs to be you got to
fucking checkmate him in two minutes. I think
I would have a good chance of doing that. I would
really try. The thing is, he has five minutes
on his clock, so he could just wait two minutes
to make a first move and just go to boxing. He
could do that, and you better hope he doesn't.
He's probably going to catch on once you're making
quick moves. He's going to realize. Well, now
he's going to do it because he probably heard
it. Yeah, well, I mean, I think he's smart enough
to put two and two together anyway, so I think
he would come to that deduction on his own. I
don't think I'm giving him too much advice. But
I also saw another thing that was armored MMA
where they're just wearing like old -timey night
suits and they have fucking swords and they just
whack each other with swords. I'd fucking kill
to do that. That sounds so much fun. You still
take a fucking beating, though. Just because
you're wearing a breastplate, if somebody hits
you with a full strike, that's the equivalent
of you wearing a fucking metal jacket. Somebody
still hit you in the fucking chest with a club.
It still hurts. You're still going to get bruised
and hurt. I'd love to do it. I'd suck at it.
These guys just whack each other in armor suits
with swords, and it's like, how do you decide
who wins? It's arbitrary. I think it's like...
I feel like it would be like fencing or like
a boxing match that doesn't result in a knockout.
It would just be like a decision from a panel
of judges. I think that's what it was, was a
judge decision. But I don't know how they make
that decision. Like who whacked each other with
the sword the most times. Yeah. No, no. You have
stats behind that. You have like solid hits,
like punches thrown, punches connected. like
how well you block like they analyze all that
there's numbers for it people run the numbers
on that shit and with the numbers and their overall
watching the fight is how the judges come to
their decision that's how it works in mma and
boxing if it doesn't result in a knockout dude
why can't like when countries go to war we just
like do mma shit instead of like killing each
other Casey, you're just thinking far too sensically
right now. We need to send people who have nothing
to do with the conflict. Why don't we just play
chess instead? Like, whoever wins, wins the war.
Yeah, I mean... Just have a gentleman's agreement.
Casey, I'm all for it. I'm all for it. It doesn't
work that way, though. It's just inherent in
us. War. Defend your people. It's inherent. Nine
out of ten wars, you know who the victor is going
to be when the war starts. I don't know. I don't
know, Casey. But war has never made sense. And
war never changes. War never changes. I don't
think we're going to be the victors in this war.
It's going to be a long and costly war. Well,
yeah. Every other time we've gone to the Middle
East, it's worked out great, right? Well, every
option that Trump has, he's screwed himself with.
Because, you know, if he leaves the Middle East
now, it's just like, oh, haha, you're a retard.
No, he's just Putin in Ukraine right now. You
can't back down and cut your losses until you
really, really are in bad shape. If he fucking
nukes them, then, you know, it's the end of the
world. And if you send ground troops in, it's
ten times worse than Afghanistan. The projected
losses are ten times worse. Fucking great! Great.
Great. I love it. I love it. That's so fucking
nice to hear, especially with drone combat. Now
we're going to get fucking ripped to pieces.
They were testing the lottery, the draft lottery
system out too. So that might be coming. What's
the, what ages do they pull from? Usually 18
to 26. Oh! Oh! Oh, we're safe! Are you 27? Yeah,
baby! Yeah, baby! We're all good. The Entitled
Podcast, we're good. I think 26 is like the last
ones I could draft in, but... Yeah, we sent all
the fucking dumb meat out there. You know, if
something goes bad in the war and we're losing
pretty bad, they can draft anybody if they fucking
want to. Yeah, they can. Toy Hitler did. We have
a lot more people than Iran does, though. I watched
a video that was crunching the numbers on it.
We have a pretty good advantage on them, people
-wise, in terms of uniformed military personnel.
Their training is also not good. Yeah, but you
don't have any losses that we would take. Well,
yeah, we'd lose a lot of people. It'd be like
World War II losses. Like, more than World War
II. More than Vietnam. For us. Yes, for us, which
is a bad thing for Americans. Yeah, I fucking
get that. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying
we'd win that war, but it would come at the cost
of everybody looks at us like Russia now. Like,
we're the dicks now. We are the dicks. And it's
sad to say, but when I'm watching the fucking
USA versus Venezuela World Baseball Classic,
I'm sitting there and like, yes, I understand
that their president was a douchebag and how
the majority of the people celebrated the fact
that he was gone, but we also had our own political
agenda for reasons of removing him. Blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah. I'm so happy that America lost
that World Baseball Classic. Oh, that's... Like
we, no, we just didn't crash out on you right
now. We didn't deserve to win it. We were the
only team that didn't take it seriously. We thought
I'm not that unpatriotic. Look, we thought, look,
like I would have been happy if they won, but
we didn't deserve to win is what I'm saying.
I know. Do you see what we're doing to Cuba now?
What the fuck are we doing to Cuba? Oh, we cut
off the power supply for the entire island and
we're just starving them out until they decide
to become part of America and give up socialism.
Oh my god. Trump goes, I'd be an honor to be
the president that takes Cuba. That's why me
and Dan have been flying flights and missions.
Went to Cuba yesterday. Been in the Middle East,
though. Fucking bombing Tehran. Doing dive bombs.
F -22. Jesus. That's so autistic. I love it.
It's autistic, though. Same autistic autismo
I have when it comes to racing sims. Oh, yeah.
But he's just like a loose cannon. oh yeah no
no we're we just need to survive until he's out
of office i think right now the rest of the world
is kind of just like if we get a sane president
in office that immediately backtracks all of
it yeah i think we'll be all right well you know
whose fault it is at this point is just the people
who are not standing up to trump like fucking
marco rubio fucking do you see the clown shoes
memes no Oh, Trump made his entire cabinet get
matching shoes. And he was guessing their shoe
sizes. And so he's like, Marco, I'm going to
get you like a 12 or whatever. And they didn't
fit. They were fucking huge on him. But he wore
them anyway because he didn't want to make Trump
upset. So they were like clown shoes Rubio. And
there's been all these like memes of him with
huge shoes and huge suit and shit. Oh, my God.
What is happening? That actually happened. Yeah,
that actually happened. There was a picture of
him and he was wearing his shoes like three sizes
too big. I gotta look this up. Dude, this cannot
fucking be real. This is not happening. No, it's
actually happening. Marco Rubio shoes is the
first thing. Oh my god. Oh my god, there's like
two inches behind his fucking foot. What the
fuck? People like that who just want to get in
power and they just want, you know, it's just
like a power grab. Like if I like stand up to
Trump. Footloose cover. That's too fucking good.
Oh my God. Trump on Rubio's boots. I don't know.
They're big heels. Wait, is this the first time
he's... What are these fucking boots that Marco...
Those fit him and they look ridiculous. What
the fuck? Trump had to be asked questions about
it. He said, I don't know, they're big heels.
What the fuck? Oh my god, we need to fucking...
This guy's gotta get impeached. He's gotta get
impeached and removed from office. This is too
much. Probably, most likely in January. What's
happening in January? Epstein shit? No, the midterm
elections where the Democrats can take over the
Congress. All right. But they still need a two
-thirds vote in the Senate to remove a president,
which is almost impossible because there's never
two -thirds Democrat or Republican. It's usually
pretty even. So you would need like... But there's
been a lot of opposition. A lot of... In his
own party, actually. Casey, what you're telling
me is that we're fucked. Might be. You might
have to go to war in Iran, but... I won't. I'm
deaf. I'm a conscientious objector with the higher
power I believe in. You know what I think we
should do? We should just draft every Trump voter.
Yeah. Like, not even joking. Okay. No, I'd be
like, they voted for it, right? Like, I don't
want to go to war with Iran. Why should I have
to go to war with Iran? I understand your principle,
but we're one country. We're in it together.
I don't know. I'm not in it with these people,
though. I'm not in it with them. No, but you're
part of this country. Fuck! I don't know. I don't
know how I feel about it, Casey. I don't fucking
know. Do you think that Trump has the right to
take my life away against my will? That's a tough
question. My answer is I don't want him to, but
at the same time, sometimes war is the only answer,
especially when you have a dipshit president
who started a conflict. But now we do have to
stand up for ourselves, even though we fucking...
We had our cake and now we're going to have to
eat it too. But we have to eat it too as a fucking
country. It would promote so much political division
within this country for us to only draft Trump
supporters. No, I'm all for it. I know you're
all for it because you didn't fucking vote for
Trump. If you voted for Trump and you've outspokenly
hate his fucking guts since he's done all this
shit, you're probably not going to be too fucking
happy that you're going overseas to fight in
a war that you don't want to be in. Well, there's
a lot of MAGA people now that are... Like, oh,
I voted for Trump three times and I'm a fucking
idiot. Yeah. They're not supporting this war.
Yeah. And you want to send them over to spill
their blood. But like the people, the people
that he has left on his side are like just head
over heels for him still. Yeah. It's like crazy.
Yeah. So he should call them to arms and tell
them all to enlist in the military. But he can't
do that because they're all fucking 60 year old
white dudes. Yeah. well do you think baron trump
should have to go to iran yeah but it's not gonna
happen well why not he's uh a male he could get
drafted yeah but he won't well probably not if
trump yeah trump is you really think he'd allow
that to happen unless he is so selfish he would
send him over on purpose just to be like see
he's over there yeah i well i think he should
have the same You should be treated like everybody
else, though. Oh, I do, too. I think that you
should have the chance of being. Because, you
know, I have. I just don't believe that our government
is. I just don't believe that our government
is. Is. They're too corrupt to allow that to
happen. That sheet is going to get pulled from
somewhere. His name is going to be ineligible.
I literally have a cousin. He should be. I have
a cousin that's turning 18 soon. I'm like. So
it's concerning. Yeah, make some memories with
them, Casey. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that sucks. Fuck!
I'm all in. I'm all in. Call. Three bet. There
you go. The turn. The river. I fucking love PokerStars
VR. Yeah. Well, what do you say? You want to
wrap it up? I think we should wrap it up. All
right. Well, thanks for listening. All right.
So how do we do this at the end if it's just
us? I don't know. Probably have to like call
Dan or something. No, fuck him. He's working
on a hot water heater. He doesn't have his fucking
priorities. More like a cold water heater. More
like a cold water cooler. Fucking refrigerator.
Christ. All right. Well, thanks for listening.
Fuck off. As always, be kind to yourselves. And
each other. We out. Fuck off again. For all we
know, robots have souls. We just don't know if
they do or don't. How do you know? Have you ever
been a cyborg or a robot? You think we were the
first ones to inhabit this planet? Fuck no. No,
no, we are jumping down this fucking rabbit hole.
Yes, we are. There's people out there with some
really dumb thoughts. Extended episode. Where
the fuck did the pyramids come from? Where the
fuck did Stonehenge come from? You're telling
me that they didn't die and become ghosts? Ugh,
they're killing me. or kill the already born
babies and sell them to the Chinese. Aliens exist
as... Somewhere in China, alright, in some base...
What the fuck? There are super soldiers that
are at least 9 or 10 feet tall. Okay? Okay, so
did they come from our planet? Then they are
extraterrestrials. They are aliens. I do not
negotiate with terrorists. I do not... Before
my eyes, while holding their pulse, feel them
die of this virus. You feel bump, bump, bump,
beep! Nothing. They're fucking gone. I've seen
it happen. I think that the government has...
taking it to the next level with the birds they
know what birds are going to cross paths with
you that you are going to be able to raise and
they are gonna make them so fucking real they're
gonna sink money into them because they know
that if you put that motherfucker in a cage they're
gonna be able to convince you that thing is fucking
real you can cut it open you're gonna see blood
guts no sir Which, by the way, big brother, is
the Overlord. We're over! Soros is an actual
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It's fucking real, okay? Look it up. Look it
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Soros actually worked with the fucking Nazis
during the Holocaust. He says that he was doing
it just to survive, but he fucking loved it.
He was having a great fucking time doing this
shit. George Soros is the fucking devil! George
Soros!