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do or don't. How do you know? Have you ever been

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a cyborg or a robot? You think we were the first

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ones to inhabit this planet? Fuck no. No, we

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are jumping down this fucking rabbit hole. Yes,

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we are. There's people out there with some really

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dumb thoughts. Extended episode. Where the fuck

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did the pyramid come from? Where the fuck did

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Stonehenge come from? You're telling me that

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they didn't die and become ghosts? They're killing

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already born babies and sell them to the Chinese.

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Aliens exist. Somewhere in China. some days what

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the there are super soldiers that are at least

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nine or ten feet tall then they are extraterrestrials

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they are aliens Yeah. I wanna be an American

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idiot. Welcome to Untitled Podcast. Fuck yeah.

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It's episode 137. Here with Ally Mack and Casey.

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This has only happened like once before. What?

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You and me on the podcast. Yeah, maybe a couple

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times. Yeah, it's a weird episode. I've listened

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to a lot of American Idiot lately. Dude, I've

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been listening to a lot of Green Day in general.

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It amazes me that Billy Joe got away with saying

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fuck America for the last 20 years. Well, I guess

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that's not the actual lyrics. He says the subliminal

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mind fuck and then America. But it sounds like

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he says fuck America. Well, yeah. Well, it's

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a subliminal. I mean, I get what you're saying.

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It's like it's a double entendre. Like he's getting

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away with it without really saying it. He makes

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it sound like an adjective. Yeah. But it's not.

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A lot of the shit back then is still going on

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today. History is repeating itself. Could you

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turn it down a little bit? The thing then, though,

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is that we still had the First Amendment. It

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wasn't really infringed upon. You could kind

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of just say whatever you wanted to. Right, now

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we're threatening to put journalists in prison

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for free speech. Well, Green Day was a polarizing

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band, too. They still are. I'd say they still

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absolutely are. They really care. Trump wouldn't

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go to the Super Bowl because Green Day was playing

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it. Which is hysterical. Which is hysterical

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that we have a president who has that thin of

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skin. Like, if you really wanted to come in big

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dick swinging, you'd show up. It's kind of a

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weak move to not go, in my opinion. You're scared

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of a little band and their songs that were written

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20 years ago? Sure, they do change the lyrics.

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They do change the lyrics. But they didn't change

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the lyrics at the Super Bowl, though. They didn't

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say anything about Trump. Usually they say, like,

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Trump's America or something like that. Or MAGA.

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or some shit like that. Right. You see the prime

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minister or something of Japan was at the White

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House today, and he was like, why didn't you

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tell us about the attack on Iran? Trump's like,

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why didn't you tell us about Pearl Harbor? Did

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he actually say that? No, he actually said that.

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Oh, my God, man. We're so fucked. We're so fucked.

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That's not a good comeback. That's not what he

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thinks. Nobody is in office that had anything

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to do with that. Oh, my God. Japan's like an

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ally, too. Wait, do you say Japan or China? Japan.

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Yeah. Yeah, Japan's like a fucking ally. Like,

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I don't know. I think the relationship that America,

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well, up to this point, sorry, the United States,

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not America. I think that the relation the U

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S has had with Japan has been really fucking

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cool because a lot of Americans find Japanese

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culture fascinating and Japanese fucking love

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American culture. And like, this is way more

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pronounced than I think any other country. Like

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we, we like, I don't know the amount of fucking

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shit that gets passed back and forth between

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our countries is from a cultural standpoint is

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very significant. So why are we now just pissing

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them off? Like, why are we, there's no need for

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that line. Well, I mean, he's pissing off the

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entire world, pissing off our allies. I know.

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No, because everybody, all of our allies now

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are refusing to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz

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to unblock the oil because Trump started the

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war. Yeah. Yeah, we fucking deserve it. They're

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like, you've been trying to take us over for

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the last, like, year, like, fucking Denmark.

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Yeah. They're like, you've been trying to take

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us over. Why are we going to, like, send ships

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to help you? Yeah! Yeah, I fucking get it! They're

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fucking putting tariffs on us. I know, like,

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literally he went in office, pissed everybody

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off, said he wanted to take half the world over,

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and then just started antagonizing the people

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that we already didn't have good relationships

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with. Like, I'm not saying we need to cater to

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them, but to actively antagonize them is different.

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And I can't help but feel like somehow he's in

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fucking Putin's pocket, too. Like, I don't know.

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Their relationship has always been bizarre to

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me. He should hate Putin a lot more than he does.

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And occasionally he speaks out about him. But

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he'll also go back and be like, oh, I had a wonderful

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meeting with Putin. Great guy. Great guy. We

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give him too hard of a. Too hard of a time sometimes.

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Great guy. We're going to end the war in Ukraine.

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I'm going to do it. It's going to be the best

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resolution ever of all time. The biggest ever.

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Never seen one so quick. I said I was going to

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get it done, and now I'm going to get it done.

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It's going to be huge. It's going to be great.

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World peace. So he actually took the sanctions

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off of Russia to get oil at a cheaper price.

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And it shows where our fucking priorities lie.

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Yeah. I didn't even know that. And now you're

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proving my point. Fuck. Jesus Christ. I mean,

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we gotta, we gotta get some oil, man. It's like

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2003 again. Yeah, but we don't need oil. The

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world does not need oil. Our country uses like

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for us, like if you lived in like any other country

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in the world, the amount of oil that just you

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as a human being would consume. A day is like

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three to six times higher than anywhere else

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in the world. Like we use oil so much more than

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we fucking need to. Cause other countries are

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already onto the renewable shit. Yeah. I try

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to drink like a gallon of oil per day. Yeah,

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man. Yeah, man. Especially stay hydrated. Yeah,

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no, I, I agree. But if you saw some of the shit

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that was going on in the news lately, it'd be

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like, it like, it feels like the matrix or like

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a simulation. It's spiraling out of control.

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No, I know it is. You know, Senator Lindsey Graham,

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he's a super warmongering Israel guy, and he

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was in the news the other day, and he was like,

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I'm not with you. I'm with Israel until my dying

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day. He's like, I'm going to go home and ask

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those people in South Carolina, their sons and

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daughters, to the Middle East. I'm like, what?

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Why? Well, you can see, I've taken... Have you

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ever watched The Sopranos, Casey? No, actually.

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God damn it. All right, well, I'm just going

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to tell you just a little bit. Not really even

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major spoilers here, but Tony Soprano, the main

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guy, he's my boss, everything. His son... Spoiler

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alert. No, it's not a spoiler. Anthony, his son,

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just kind of is like a doomer throughout the

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whole show. Because he just, once he starts paying

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attention to the news, he just spirals. And,

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like, he just can't pull himself out of those.

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Like, this kid's dying of starvation. We're fighting

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wars for nothing. Like, yeah. And then, like,

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I hate to say it, but the one thing that the

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show is really correct with is that, like, kind

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of their method of parenting and, like, the counseling

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that he received is like, yeah, it's pretty bad.

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But, like, just don't think about it. It's like

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I've never seen that apply so much. It's just

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true. It's like if you look at the news. You're

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going to be incredibly cynical. But the thing

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that I find hope in is that the news has been

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incredibly cynical for a very, very, very long

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time. Yeah, it's just like. And yes, it's escalating.

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It's escalating and shit is worse than it's been

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in a very long time. But there's so many different

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deterrences we have against other countries.

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And like, I don't know why we're picking a fight.

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But like, I really do think I put the odds at

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like a World War Three happening at like 50 50.

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I can kind of live with those odds. Yeah, it's

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just so obvious that he was the president that

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Netanyahu was able to convince and scam to bomb

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Iran. And the secretary of something, one of

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the top military generals, he just resigned.

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He was like, yeah, the war in Iran wasn't justified.

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There was no imminent threat, so I'm resigning.

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Good. And he was appointed by Trump. Good. The

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one thing that I do find irritating about shit

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like that, though, is that aren't those the kind

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of guys you kind of want to keep on board? Like

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the ones that will fight against him and shit

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like that and openly speak about how they don't

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support what's going on? Yeah, but in the military,

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they have to do what he says. It's like a problem.

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I feel like if you have just a single person

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that's in charge of the military and just ignoring...

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the judicial and congress and shit because it's

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like the people don't have control of the country

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anymore it's just like we haven't for a while

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though we haven't for a while honestly it's it's

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sad because the conditioning seems to be working

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of just slowly losing more control to the government

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like that's just sort of been the the vibes even

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lately i've just been even more just fuck israel

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because it's just so obvious that They're controlling

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the government. The thing that I think is funny

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is that when Trump was president during fucking

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COVID, his whole stance was like, we want the

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people to have control. You don't need to wear

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your masks if you don't want to. And then it's

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like, he bitches about how the government's trying

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to take over our lives. Now it's like he does

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all this shit when he's in office. Just like,

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just no sense of checks and balances. But now

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ICE has to wear face masks and they have to say

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ICE has to. We have to ban police officers from

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wearing masks now because they are trying to

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hide their identities when they're committing

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crimes, basically. God damn it. You want to know

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what, Casey? What? I think the news is very cynical.

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Yeah. I try to not digest any of it. Like I want

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to be prepared. I want to have shit ready. Like

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I do at my dad's camp in the middle of fucking

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nowhere. But your tax dollars are going to basically

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war crimes. Like I see, I was watching videos

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of like Israeli soldiers and they just like,

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they just fuck with children. They just like

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punch this kid in the face. They, like, go into

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people's houses and they, like, try on their

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clothes and, like, it's like people's houses.

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They have, like, no respect. It's war. Yeah.

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It's war. It happens every war. Both sides do

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it. I mean, the people that are in the wars on

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both sides, like, it's just, like, they're representing

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their country, sure, but a lot of these people

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don't want to be fighting. It's not. I mean,

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and then you do have your fair share of psychopaths,

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but it's like, I'm not justifying war crimes,

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but I'm just saying it's, it always fucking happens.

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It happens every single war. You got your bad

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eggs that are just the fucking don't know how

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to deal with their stress. Not that that, not

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that that's an inherently negative thing. I don't

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know. I'm playing fucking. Devil's advocate way

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too much here. It's fucking ridiculous. It's

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fucking obscene. If I got sent to war, I'm not

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going to be doing shit like that. Yeah. It's

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out of control behavior. No matter how bad I

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was stressed out, the last thing I want to do

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is just be like, let's fucking beat this kid

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up. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. I like

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the Zionists actually think that they're like

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superior to everybody else. I think they're like

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a superior race. Like the Jewish people, like

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not all Jewish people, but the people that are

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Zionists. who support Israel. It's kind of like

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a white nationalism kind of thing. And then you

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see all the traditional Orthodox Jews are out

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protesting it because they don't believe in getting

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drafted because they don't believe in violence

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or something. So why are we fighting? Because

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Netanyahu said, I have videos of you fucking

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kids. Drop this bomb on Tehran. I hope we get

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it. I hope we, I mean, I don't want to see the

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video, but I want to know what exists and I want

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him fucking gone. Like, dude, he's such a threat,

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not just to our country, but to the world. Like

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he's just fucking destabilizing the entire geopolitical

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world for no fucking reason. Like we're not benefiting

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from it. There's not a master plan at work here.

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He makes it sound like there is like he makes

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it, he puts his own spin on it. Like everything

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he does is somehow positive and justified, but

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it's like, Every time I hear the guy speak, it's

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like I've begun to – I don't know. It's just

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like he seems like a fucking – it's a reality

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TV show. It's like not even real life. Like it

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just – I can't even listen to it anymore. So

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don't. That's honestly my suggestion is just

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fucking don't. Yeah, I've been trying to. Like

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just fucking be like me. Just fire up some like

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racing game and then just go ham for six hours

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straight. Do you see these new weapons they got,

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though? Like, shooting down missiles in Israel?

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It looks like it actually came from Star Wars.

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Like, it looks like when you're, like, shooting

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a... What are those guys called? Stormtroopers,

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where they shoot the laser beams? Yeah. It actually

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fucking looks like that now. Shooting down the

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missiles. And they shoot, like, fucking probably

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500 rounds off at a single missile. And they

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miss, like, 499 times. And then the missile just

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explodes, like, two feet from the ground. Like

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such a waste of, you know, American money. So

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they don't even work? They work, but it takes

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like 500 bullets to shoot down one missile. Jesus

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Christ. Yeah, it's probably fucking $7 million

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every time the thing goes off or something ridiculous.

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And while Americans have no health care, but...

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And people fucking mooch off welfare. It's crazy.

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Yeah. I thought I saw the interesting today.

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Change it up. I know you like some quantum mechanics.

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Oh, yeah. Let's hear it. There was a study or

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no, there's something they did in Switzerland

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and they made like 200 ,000 brain cells in the

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Petri dish. Yeah. And they programmed the neurons

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in the brain cells to play the game Doom. And

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it was actually able to learn it. It was actually

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able to learn to play the game Doom. And they

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were like, do you think this has consciousness

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now? It doesn't have any memories, but it knows

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how to play Doom. I've got to find an article.

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Oh my god. Wait, how are they alive, though?

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It's just a bunch of neurons. It's a bunch of

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brain cells in a dish. How does it work? Human

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brain cells on a chip are to play Doom. How is

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it powered? Are they just punching electricity

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into it? It says it uses neuron -powered computer

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chips to play Doom. There was clumps of more

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than 800 ,000 living brain cells grown on top

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of microelectrode arrays that can both send and

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receive electrical signals. They had to train

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the chips to control the paddles on either side

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of the screen. This was talked about when they

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did it with Pong, but they just did it this week.

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Unlike Pong Week we did a few years ago, This

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demonstration has been done in a matter of days

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by someone who previously had relatively low

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expertise working with biology. Hmm. Well, that's

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fucking horrifying. Yes, it's alive, and yes,

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it's biological, but really, what is being used

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is material that can process information in very

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special ways that we can't recreate in silicon.

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I don't like that. I don't like that at all that's

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got me deep in thought right now it's like the

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idea of like a Boltzmann brain which I was actually

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looking at yeah I talked about the Boltzmann

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brain here for a very long time I know but I

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must have missed it well the Boltzmann brain

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is a little bit different because it's a that

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involves with the idea of a brain just spontaneously

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becoming to exist because in an infinite universe

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with infinite time essentially anything that's

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possible is possible it's a very it's there's

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more to it in terms of the existence of that

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brain but essentially what it it becomes comes

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down to the boltzmann brain is could you just

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have memories essentially in a brain that spontaneously

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comes into existence where it's memories didn't

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really happen, but it has memories and it believes

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that they happened. Yeah. So I could just like,

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my brain could be floating in space, but yeah.

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And your brain might not actually be in a skull.

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It could just be, but what about the stuff that

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just happened like five minutes ago, like an

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hour ago? Yeah. It could just be data that's

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implanted into your brain. Or because the other

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part with the Boltzmann brain is that because

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you're just a free -floating brain in space,

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your brain is just going to essentially assume

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a consciousness with the memories that exist

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within it. So it kind of just creates its own

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reality amongst the neurons that are implanted

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in it. So it's almost like tying in a simulation

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theory to the Boltzmann brain thing. Yeah, but

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goodbye, Boltzmann brain. Think about having

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a Boltzmann brain and then be like, oh, hey,

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I was just, you know, I was thinking about this

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10 minutes ago. So that means that I'm not a

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Boltzmann brain. No, because you have no guarantee

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that that's not just a memory that was implanted

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in you. That's why it's kind of like a mental

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paradox too. There's no way to disprove that

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you aren't a Boltzmann brain. Yeah, I guess.

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Like I could just be created in this exact second.

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Yes. With memories of a conversation about talking

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to the Boltzmann brain. You can be aware that

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Boltzmann brains exist. But what about like two

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seconds ago? You have no way to prove it. You

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have no way to prove it. I understand what you're

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getting at, but that's the scary thing about

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a Boltzmann brain is that there is no way to

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prove to yourself. There's no guarantee that

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those memories are real. There's no guarantee

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that anything around you is real. It's the other

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bigger part of a Boltzmann brain is that this

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could just be taking place inside a brain tissue

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inside your head while you're free floating in

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space because it's devoid of anything. You're

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not connected to any organic body or anything.

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So your brain is just kind of making shit happen

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to fill the gaps. That's what a Boltzmann brain

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is. Like you're not actually existing. You're

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not in a body. You're not going about shit. You're

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not a human being that was created. You're literally

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just a free -floating brain. So it's just electricity

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firing and generating almost like a movie in

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your head. Yeah, it's like if I was just a brain

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floating in space, wouldn't I be aware that I

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didn't have any sight? You think that all of

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this could just be a hallucination? I don't know,

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man, because the thing is when you talk about

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the brains is that like... Our brains do a lot

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of shit behind the scenes that we don't have

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like, that we're not clued into. For example,

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like pH regulation and like your brainstem, your

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autonomic nerves, nervous system. Like a lot

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of shit just happens without your consciousness

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being aware of it. There's multiple parts at

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play. You're more than just like, sure. I can

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say I want to move my hand. What's actually causing

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my fucking hand to move. I'm sending electrical

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impulses along that fast action potential to

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my hand to tell this shit to happen. And my brain's

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telling it to happen. But are you really thinking

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about it when you tell your body to move? Because

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I fucking don't. It's natural. Your body does

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so much shit in the background. This is a very

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complex movement. Like going back and forth like

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this. Yeah, they act like so similar to like

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computer chips that it makes the argument hard

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that there's like. Well, AI already kind of does

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that too. Like we base, we base the way AIs like

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work for the most part, not, not every AI and

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it's not, you can't just dumb it down this much,

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but like. the way an AI thinks and the way it

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pulls data from the internet is very similar

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to how our brains pull information from neurons

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to like have memory recall, like in conversation.

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Like when I see you, I need to remember that's

00:22:03.269 --> 00:22:05.670
Casey. I remember his face. I know what he looks

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like. Hey Casey, how are you doing? Like AI kind

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of is generated to pull information of like,

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who is this person? What is an appropriate response

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to say to them? Like brings past memories of

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you back. Like, And AI thinks that way to a certain

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extent, except it's completely digitally. Like,

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it's almost like that's the way it's coded into

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thinking through, like, a dichotomous key like

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our brains do. But... Yeah, I guess it just makes

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it hard to believe if it's, like, just caused

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by electricity. Well, like, and that's the thing

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is, like, I... Like, I don't know about you,

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but, like, I've played a lot of video games that,

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like... will bring up the topic of like AI and

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like, is it sentient? And to me, it always seemed

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so sci -fi as a kid where it was like, Oh, the

00:22:53.970 --> 00:22:55.730
computer can't have a brain. Like there's no

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way it could. Well, if you can create like a

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chip with a bunch of electrodes in it, does that

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have consciousness? Yeah. But what I'm trying

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to say is like, we were never going to, this

00:23:05.309 --> 00:23:07.089
is another paradox. We're never going to know

00:23:07.089 --> 00:23:08.990
for sure. Like I get that that's brain cells

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and that's organic and it makes the argument

00:23:10.650 --> 00:23:13.529
more compelling because that's the same shit

00:23:13.529 --> 00:23:16.859
our brains are made of. So like, if the brain

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is really where the consciousness exists, then

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how can we say that that fucking Petri dish on

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a table that's playing Doom isn't somehow just

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a consciousness? And what is that consciousness

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like if it does exist? What is it feeling? Like,

00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:30.980
obviously, it's not going to have all these complex

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emotions and everything because you need all

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these neurotransmitters for that, too, that your

00:23:35.180 --> 00:23:38.769
body produces elsewhere. So, like... You got

00:23:38.769 --> 00:23:40.369
to think of it at a really deep level, but at

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the base sense of things, there's nothing to

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disprove that that is not a consciousness. My

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argument or just to drive it home even further

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to ask another question is just how do we know

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that most even basic electronic devices don't

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in some way, shape or form have consciousness?

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Not the way that a human does, but like the way

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a tree does like a tree. Sure. It doesn't have

00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:05.410
a brain, but it's still alive. It's still growing.

00:24:05.529 --> 00:24:08.910
It still has basic instincts to. And like, for

00:24:08.910 --> 00:24:11.049
the most part, it's our bodies are mechanical

00:24:11.049 --> 00:24:14.089
inherently. Like we're very, very complex, but

00:24:14.089 --> 00:24:16.470
we're like, uh, like the watch I'm wearing, this

00:24:16.470 --> 00:24:19.589
is an automatic watch. It's, this isn't like

00:24:19.589 --> 00:24:22.170
just a quartz movement where it's a crystal vibrating.

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There's a million fucking parts in this. Well,

00:24:24.009 --> 00:24:25.369
not actually a million, but there's a lot of

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fucking parts in this thing to make it work the

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way it does. Humans are like that right now.

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I think you could more compare like those brain

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cells on a Petri dish to something more akin

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to like a tree. Or like a plant. Or something

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that doesn't necessarily. Or even something that

00:24:41.289 --> 00:24:44.470
has a very. Like a jellyfish. Jellyfishes don't

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have brains. But they still have instinct. They

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still have like information stored of like. Absorbing

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food and moving. Like to float through the water.

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But jellyfish don't have brains. That's always

00:24:56.220 --> 00:24:58.140
been like a head fuck to me is does it have a

00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:00.859
consciousness? What's a consciousness? Right.

00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:03.359
Like consciousness could exist without a brain

00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:06.000
for all we know. It might just be extremely simple

00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:08.059
and basic. And what does that look like? What

00:25:08.059 --> 00:25:10.480
does that feel like? Well, animals have consciousness,

00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.859
right? But they're not, some people would argue

00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:16.880
like, do animals have souls? Like, that's what

00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:19.059
I mean. If like our, our brain is just a bunch

00:25:19.059 --> 00:25:21.660
of. In my mind, they absolutely do. We evolved

00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:25.279
from animals. We just took a different path.

00:25:25.579 --> 00:25:28.480
It is interesting to see the path that we've

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taken. It almost does make you think that there

00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.200
could be a higher power. Honestly, I'm going

00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.579
to tie this into the higher power thing here,

00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:39.799
too. Not just a higher power, but I'm going to

00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.980
tie it into the Fermi paradox as well. based

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off the information we know intelligent life

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should exist way more than it fucking does so

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why don't we see it why don't we see it anywhere

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if we think if if space is as vast as it is and

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we see all these planets that could harbor life

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on them or like we could go to and like actually

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exist on that already have like the ecosystem

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that has an air composition that we could breathe

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and not fucking die and we still have sun and

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the temperature's okay if that's the thought

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process And we did just manifest in the ocean

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with the exact right amount of chemicals and

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all this stuff. And then millions of years later,

00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:19.539
billions of years later, we turn into fucking

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humans all of a sudden that have consciousness.

00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.519
Why is that not occurring anywhere else? What

00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.019
happened that made us so sophisticated but kept

00:26:27.019 --> 00:26:29.119
animals, so for a lack of a better term, dumb?

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Why are we so special? We should see intelligent

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life out there. I think most scientists agree

00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:39.890
that life... probably exists elsewhere you can't

00:26:39.890 --> 00:26:44.869
say it for certainty but like if the way life

00:26:44.869 --> 00:26:47.650
spontaneously came into existence the way we

00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:49.990
believe it did it's pretty fucking likely it

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happened elsewhere yes the conditions on our

00:26:52.369 --> 00:26:55.490
planet are so hyper specific to include life

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and that's true anywhere else but there's a lot

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of fucking planets potentially an infinite amount

00:27:03.409 --> 00:27:05.630
Yeah, but I think it's just time. We've only

00:27:05.630 --> 00:27:08.369
been around, humans have only been around 100

00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:11.650
,000 years. So if the universe is billions of

00:27:11.650 --> 00:27:14.990
years old, there could be civilizations that

00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:18.750
have probably evolved at other points. But 10

00:27:18.750 --> 00:27:21.490
,000 years in a span of a billion is such a small

00:27:21.490 --> 00:27:23.349
percentage that they wouldn't be all just popping

00:27:23.349 --> 00:27:25.529
up at once. Yeah, but that's the great thing

00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:27.289
about space, Casey, is that when you look up

00:27:27.289 --> 00:27:29.230
in the night sky, you're looking at a time capsule.

00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.440
You have the speed of light, the way that we

00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.980
see things. Like we would see evidence of that

00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:35.519
because when you look into the night sky, you're

00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.240
looking into the past. The stars aren't where

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.460
they look like they're at. They're all in different

00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:44.019
spots in the sky. Like the light from our sun

00:27:44.019 --> 00:27:46.359
takes like, I can't remember when it's like six

00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:49.140
or seven minutes or maybe it's like 30 seconds.

00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.519
I can't remember, but like it's in a delay, like

00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:53.900
an actual noticeable delay. When you see the

00:27:53.900 --> 00:27:57.210
sun come up. It's already much further up in

00:27:57.210 --> 00:27:59.049
the air than you think it is. This light just

00:27:59.049 --> 00:28:00.950
takes a long time to get there. So when you amplify

00:28:00.950 --> 00:28:03.970
that by millions of times, you're looking millions

00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:06.230
and billions of years into the past when you're

00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:08.170
looking at distant stars. We should be able to

00:28:08.170 --> 00:28:10.349
see evidence of life occurring at them. Because

00:28:10.349 --> 00:28:12.750
even if life did spontaneously come into existence

00:28:12.750 --> 00:28:14.869
billions of years ago, we'd be seeing it happen

00:28:14.869 --> 00:28:16.650
in front of our eyes looking at the night sky

00:28:16.650 --> 00:28:18.170
now. Which is fucking trippy. But how would you

00:28:18.170 --> 00:28:20.549
see that though? If you just look at a star that's

00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:23.150
like so far away, how do you see that there's...

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:25.799
living things on a planet these not just our

00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.859
telescopes but like our data analysis tools are

00:28:29.859 --> 00:28:32.920
incredibly good like for example if these planets

00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.180
ever came to evolve to like have something like

00:28:35.180 --> 00:28:37.279
voyager one go out into space that could send

00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.859
like radio signals they're like if you had a

00:28:39.859 --> 00:28:43.480
truly advanced civilization especially if it

00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.440
was like a much larger planet that had a ton

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.839
of resources, they could send out like satellites

00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.039
on a massive scale that would give us proof of

00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:52.900
their existence. The same way that we did with

00:28:52.900 --> 00:28:54.779
something like Voyager one, where like Voyager

00:28:54.779 --> 00:28:56.900
one went into space. It's got a vinyl on it.

00:28:57.059 --> 00:28:59.240
That's got a bunch of like noises of animals

00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.180
and music and like an encapsulation of the culture.

00:29:02.259 --> 00:29:04.400
It also comes with a kind of a form of like a

00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.700
Rosetta stone to try to like decipher languages.

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.079
If you're able to like, We sent evidence of ourselves

00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.500
out there. And you could do that on such a...

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:18.039
Voyager was sent in the fucking 80s. We could

00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.059
send some shit out there that could blast FM

00:29:20.059 --> 00:29:23.200
radio signals through space for fucking eternity.

00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.039
Oh, you know, I saw actually a theory about the

00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:28.680
Fermi Paradox, about why they think that it is,

00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:31.539
is because they think that once any civilization

00:29:31.539 --> 00:29:33.980
gets smart enough where they can broadcast their

00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:37.220
location out, then a greater... Yeah, a greater

00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:38.900
power comes in and fucking wipes you out. Kills

00:29:38.900 --> 00:29:42.099
them, yeah. Yeah. And that's entirely possible.

00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:45.519
That's entirely possible. But then why didn't

00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.640
they kill us? Or it just hasn't been long enough

00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.240
time yet. My favorite game series that deals

00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:53.420
with the Fermi Paradox is also Tyler's. Tyler

00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:54.980
would go on a whole rant about it. So I feel

00:29:54.980 --> 00:29:57.240
like I can give the cliff notes of it here and

00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.240
not make it go too long. But Mass Effect, the

00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.509
Mass Effect trilogy. goes through with that thought

00:30:03.509 --> 00:30:06.009
process of like once you're able to like go into

00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:08.890
a galactic scale and actually their turning point

00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:11.109
just to really tie this argument full circle

00:30:11.109 --> 00:30:14.210
here there's a race of these things called the

00:30:14.210 --> 00:30:17.410
reapers which are like half biological half synthetic

00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:22.089
they're like half ai half human And they annihilate

00:30:22.089 --> 00:30:25.069
everything. They come by every like 10 ,000.

00:30:25.109 --> 00:30:28.710
They have a map of the entire universe of intelligent

00:30:28.710 --> 00:30:31.730
life forms. And once they become smart enough

00:30:31.730 --> 00:30:34.349
to create an AI that's smarter than them, they

00:30:34.349 --> 00:30:36.630
come in and they wipe everything out. They clear

00:30:36.630 --> 00:30:38.990
all the organic material. They clear all the

00:30:38.990 --> 00:30:41.309
AI out because they see it as a threat to the

00:30:41.309 --> 00:30:46.230
universe. It's like a cycle. And they even delve

00:30:46.230 --> 00:30:48.450
into, like in the third game, you get a follower

00:30:48.450 --> 00:30:50.960
called... I can't remember his name, but he's

00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:52.839
called a Promethean or like the ones that came

00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.759
before. And they were like 20 ,000 years in the

00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.519
past and you uncover just artifacts. And that's

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.420
really how the whole story kicks off of like,

00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:03.240
they have like these memory obelisk things that

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.019
let you see their past. And you saw these Reapers

00:31:06.019 --> 00:31:08.079
coming and you play as the general who's trying

00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.539
to tell everybody like, guys, these things are

00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:12.839
going to fucking come here. Like they're like

00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.180
on their way. We need to not fuck around. Like

00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:17.960
I saw his memories with the memory shard, like

00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.599
destroyed. And then by the third game, they did

00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.400
come and you have to deal with it. And you see

00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.640
that like the last time the Reapers existed,

00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.779
they knew humanity was there, but we were fucking

00:31:29.779 --> 00:31:32.920
stupid as shit. So they wiped out some colony

00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.259
that was millions of light years away that was

00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:38.640
advanced enough to create an AI that was smarter

00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.160
than humanity. So they fucking destroyed everything,

00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:43.039
the AI, the humanity and everything. And now

00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.160
they're like, they're indifferent. They don't

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:49.289
come there to fucking. They don't take pride

00:31:49.289 --> 00:31:51.670
in what they do. They're not trying to maliciously

00:31:51.670 --> 00:31:53.829
put them down. They just see it as like they're

00:31:53.829 --> 00:31:58.869
gods, essentially, of trying to make sure that...

00:31:58.869 --> 00:32:01.750
Yeah, but don't you think civilizations might

00:32:01.750 --> 00:32:06.750
have evolved before? It only took humans a few

00:32:06.750 --> 00:32:09.289
thousand years to evolve to the point where we

00:32:09.289 --> 00:32:12.529
can just destroy the entire... civilization and

00:32:12.529 --> 00:32:14.970
the planet so that might have happened before

00:32:14.970 --> 00:32:19.410
where it always just gets to a point where everybody

00:32:19.410 --> 00:32:22.509
just wants to kill each other and you know some

00:32:22.509 --> 00:32:25.849
kind of catastrophic event happens well here's

00:32:25.849 --> 00:32:29.750
the thing though so life is very resilient even

00:32:29.750 --> 00:32:31.890
if we launch nukes all over the fucking planet

00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:35.589
even if we send like even if we pollute the fuck

00:32:35.589 --> 00:32:37.750
out of the planet and turn this into a dystopian

00:32:37.750 --> 00:32:41.039
fucking nightmare of a world Life is going to

00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.180
survive. We always think, oh no, the world's

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:46.680
going to end when we fire the nukes. No, no,

00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:50.279
no, no. Humanity's world, even if we become extinct,

00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.279
which is very far -fetched, there's most likely

00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.400
going to be people who do survive the apocalypse.

00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:57.160
It's just going to take hundreds and hundreds

00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.539
of years for... for society to ever return to

00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:02.279
it. And there is a good chance that we might

00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.740
just fucking get killed off after the fact, just

00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:07.220
because of how few of us there are. We're not

00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:09.599
inherently powerful beings. We're just smart.

00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:12.140
That's the only reason that we're here. Like

00:33:12.140 --> 00:33:14.789
we don't have. big like we like you're never

00:33:14.789 --> 00:33:16.930
gonna fucking beat a bear in hand -to -hand combat

00:33:16.930 --> 00:33:18.750
as a human being that's just not gonna fucking

00:33:18.750 --> 00:33:21.089
happen but we're smart enough to be like oh let

00:33:21.089 --> 00:33:23.069
me grab a branch off this tree and then when

00:33:23.069 --> 00:33:25.589
it lunges at me i can like prop it up against

00:33:25.589 --> 00:33:28.210
the ground and maybe it'll impale it like we're

00:33:28.210 --> 00:33:30.509
smart enough to think of that most animals cannot

00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:34.430
come up with that on the fly but Life is going

00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:36.589
to exist millions and millions and millions of

00:33:36.589 --> 00:33:38.990
years from now. If evolution works the way that

00:33:38.990 --> 00:33:40.630
we think it is, you're going to go through a

00:33:40.630 --> 00:33:42.569
whole nother period similar to like, maybe not

00:33:42.569 --> 00:33:44.630
the Jurassic because the reason everything, oh,

00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:46.529
dinosaurs were so big was because of the carbon

00:33:46.529 --> 00:33:48.369
dioxide in the air at that point. The air was

00:33:48.369 --> 00:33:50.789
a different composition that allowed for larger

00:33:50.789 --> 00:33:55.309
life forms to exist. But life will have a comeback

00:33:55.309 --> 00:33:57.849
millions and millions of years down the road.

00:33:58.329 --> 00:34:03.450
The real question mark for me is that that we're

00:34:03.450 --> 00:34:06.349
pretty goddamn sure that hasn't happened in the

00:34:06.349 --> 00:34:08.530
planet's history before like we wiped everything

00:34:08.530 --> 00:34:11.289
out and then we started fresh like we'd see that

00:34:11.289 --> 00:34:13.969
in the soil we know millions and millions of

00:34:13.969 --> 00:34:16.030
years back there wasn't complex life on this

00:34:16.030 --> 00:34:19.190
planet unless it's truly so long ago that we

00:34:19.190 --> 00:34:22.070
haven't even found a way to uncover it but with

00:34:22.070 --> 00:34:24.269
our understanding of how old the planet is it

00:34:24.269 --> 00:34:26.570
just seems incredibly unlikely so my question

00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:30.690
is again Why are we the smartest? Like what,

00:34:30.730 --> 00:34:33.849
what made humans different? Even like a chimpanzee,

00:34:33.849 --> 00:34:35.789
which shares almost all of its identity to us.

00:34:35.849 --> 00:34:39.670
That's an incredibly smart being. It's nowhere

00:34:39.670 --> 00:34:42.010
close to us in terms of intelligence. It can

00:34:42.010 --> 00:34:45.849
only understand basic speech and routine. And

00:34:45.849 --> 00:34:48.530
they are astonishing for us to look at as humans

00:34:48.530 --> 00:34:50.750
because occasionally you see them mimicking humanity

00:34:50.750 --> 00:34:52.969
a little bit, but that's all they're doing. They're

00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:55.130
mimicking. They truly don't have as complex of

00:34:55.130 --> 00:34:58.960
thoughts as we do. So like, why are we different

00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.840
why don't we fucking see it anywhere else so

00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.780
you don't see any life anywhere else that's what

00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:06.619
i'm saying so like but well yeah but life could

00:35:06.619 --> 00:35:09.739
exist i guess a big part of the fermi paradox

00:35:09.739 --> 00:35:13.699
too is that it's intelligent life it's it or

00:35:13.699 --> 00:35:16.579
i mean you can make it any sort of life too but

00:35:16.579 --> 00:35:19.480
like if if for example there could be millions

00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.340
and millions of planets that are existing within

00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:23.900
some something similar to like the dinosaur age

00:35:24.730 --> 00:35:27.449
Or even like just imagine earth without humans

00:35:27.449 --> 00:35:29.869
on it. It could just be a planet like that. Like

00:35:29.869 --> 00:35:32.289
there would be no civilizations. There would

00:35:32.289 --> 00:35:37.090
be no greater intelligence, real sentience. Like

00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:39.429
maybe in millions and millions of years, chimpanzees

00:35:39.429 --> 00:35:41.829
will have like religion and all this stuff. And

00:35:41.829 --> 00:35:44.809
then they're going to start agriculture and all

00:35:44.809 --> 00:35:46.489
that shit that could happen. Like we think the

00:35:46.489 --> 00:35:48.150
other thing is that like, if we're gone, like

00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:50.409
if somehow we spread a toxin specific to human

00:35:50.409 --> 00:35:53.469
beings, scientists thinks that one of two races

00:35:53.469 --> 00:35:55.539
will, come up and they think it's either going

00:35:55.539 --> 00:35:59.239
to be fucking um whatchamacallit chimps or dogs

00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.280
they think dogs have just because of how much

00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:07.800
they see humanity as it is millions of years

00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.500
of fucking evolution could lead them to where

00:36:11.500 --> 00:36:13.500
we're at maybe not because they saw us but they're

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:17.019
just smart animals they understand routines well

00:36:17.019 --> 00:36:21.480
over millions of years like the way we're intelligent

00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:25.190
life Yeah. But like what we consider intelligent

00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:29.510
life is still like way prior to even the Neanderthals,

00:36:29.510 --> 00:36:33.369
like Neanderthals and like just homo sapiens

00:36:33.369 --> 00:36:39.429
in general. Like we were 99 .9 % what we are

00:36:39.429 --> 00:36:43.329
today. Millions of years ago, very little has

00:36:43.329 --> 00:36:45.570
changed in our DNA to make us what we are, but

00:36:45.570 --> 00:36:47.630
we look different. We're way fucking smarter.

00:36:47.989 --> 00:36:51.070
We're Almost completely different beings, but

00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:57.190
our DNA is 99 .99 % similar to what our ancestors

00:36:57.190 --> 00:36:59.849
were millions of years ago. Shit moves really

00:36:59.849 --> 00:37:03.989
fucking slow. Are the people alive today really

00:37:03.989 --> 00:37:08.909
smarter than they were 50 ,000 years ago? I would

00:37:08.909 --> 00:37:13.230
argue yes. Look at the way we live our lives.

00:37:13.329 --> 00:37:15.869
Look at medication. Look at technology as a whole.

00:37:15.989 --> 00:37:18.760
We have the ability to... fucking look into space

00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.599
and see the stars and all this shit we have the

00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.840
ability to send information about us into space

00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:26.860
right but that's the product of like thousands

00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:29.460
of years of advancements and sharing knowledge

00:37:29.460 --> 00:37:32.559
exactly thousands that's the scary thing is why

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.179
is it thousands now but it was millions before

00:37:35.179 --> 00:37:37.380
to get us to where we're at why is there all

00:37:37.380 --> 00:37:40.940
of the sudden actually Are we actually any smarter

00:37:40.940 --> 00:37:44.480
or we just have had enough time and enough knowledge

00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.980
now that everybody in the world can talk to each

00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:49.059
other? But why is there that rapid growth curve?

00:37:49.219 --> 00:37:51.980
Why 10 ,000 years ago are we living in like fucking

00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:55.820
caves? Because it's exponential. When humanity

00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:58.500
connected to each other. But why is no other

00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:00.840
species have that exponential growth curve? And

00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:03.539
how come if life does exist on other planets,

00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.239
that exponential growth curve hasn't happened?

00:38:06.380 --> 00:38:08.420
That's a mystery of the universe. We don't have

00:38:08.420 --> 00:38:10.360
a fucking answer to that. And it's a question

00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.239
that fucking scientists ask all the time. We

00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.000
don't know why we're smart. We have ideas. We

00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.480
think that it could have been us like exposing

00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.280
ourselves to psilocybin, like mushrooms. Probably.

00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:26.380
dude you're throwing fucking shit at a wall and

00:38:26.380 --> 00:38:28.579
seeing what sticks i can get behind that idea

00:38:28.579 --> 00:38:30.579
it makes more fucking sense than anything else

00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:33.059
i can think of why all of a sudden we got smart

00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:36.000
like i know when i did shrooms shit was really

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.780
fucking weird you think about things in an entirely

00:38:38.780 --> 00:38:40.800
different light and that can be what sparks you

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.619
to be like hey what if we fucking make some tools

00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:46.030
what if we make a fire Hey, why don't we just

00:38:46.030 --> 00:38:47.750
settle down? Why don't we build a fucking house?

00:38:47.789 --> 00:38:50.010
So I'm not cold all the fucking time. Hey, why

00:38:50.010 --> 00:38:51.610
don't we grow some fucking plants that we can

00:38:51.610 --> 00:38:54.050
eat instead of just killing everything? Like

00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:57.690
that'll happen quick in like the grand scheme

00:38:57.690 --> 00:39:01.090
of things. And even that, even that, even life

00:39:01.090 --> 00:39:04.610
existing on, on this planet is still a microscopic

00:39:04.610 --> 00:39:08.449
dot. Like if you had the whole universe, if the

00:39:08.449 --> 00:39:11.130
universe is a calendar of a month, just one month,

00:39:11.230 --> 00:39:15.500
31 days. The amount of time life has existed

00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:18.300
in this universe makes up like a minute, not

00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:22.340
even, of that entire month. How long has life

00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:23.880
been around? I feel like it's been... Actually,

00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.280
it might be... The calendar might be a year,

00:39:26.300 --> 00:39:29.559
actually. That's on the episode of Cosmos with

00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.840
Neil deGrasse Tyson, actually. It's a very, very

00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.380
good one, even though I don't really like Neil

00:39:33.380 --> 00:39:35.659
deGrasse Tyson all that much. Cosmos was a fucking

00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:38.340
banger of a show. And to anybody out there, if

00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:40.260
you haven't watched Cosmos, fucking watch Cosmos.

00:39:40.300 --> 00:39:41.940
And get high before you do it. It'll fuck with

00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:45.789
your head. So the life has been in existence

00:39:45.789 --> 00:39:50.130
for 4 .1 billion years, but the universe is approximately

00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:52.869
13 .8 billion years old. So isn't that like a

00:39:52.869 --> 00:40:00.269
third? I mean, maybe. I might be fucking my numbers

00:40:00.269 --> 00:40:02.409
up a little bit. Intelligent life is like a minute.

00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:04.349
That's probably intelligent life is what it was.

00:40:04.690 --> 00:40:08.510
But even then, what the fuck? Why do we not see

00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:11.559
it anywhere else, Casey? The Fermi paradox is

00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:15.420
fucking wild, bro. It's fucking wild. And, like,

00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:17.679
there's no evidence. Dude, if there's one theory

00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.940
that makes sense, it could be the fucking Reapers.

00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:22.500
Me and Tyler were going in on this, and you and

00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:24.000
Dan checked the fuck out. You were both looking

00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.880
at your phones and doing shit because we kind

00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:27.900
of just went on a tangent about the game more

00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:30.320
than anything. But me and Tyler did have an understanding,

00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.440
and we were having a thought -provoking argument

00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.400
at that point because we were saying, like, it

00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.800
could just be fucking reapers like obviously

00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.900
not like the actual thing from the game which

00:40:40.900 --> 00:40:43.480
they look creepy and they make these weird noise

00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.659
when they shoot these lasers oh man they're so

00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:47.739
fucking cool they can control your mind they

00:40:47.739 --> 00:40:50.420
manipulate the politics on their planets they

00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:52.539
indoctrinate things and they essentially turn

00:40:52.539 --> 00:40:54.639
you into zombies and then it just wipes everything

00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:57.659
out And every fucking civilization it wipes out.

00:40:57.860 --> 00:40:59.920
Not even civilization, because at that point

00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.719
we formed a galactic alliance. We know all these

00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.159
different other aliens. We brought shit. It's

00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.719
the whole Milky Way is civilized and very smart

00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.639
and has space stations and all that. But how

00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:17.000
many other planets in the universe are just...

00:41:17.340 --> 00:41:19.440
close enough to the sun where they can sustain

00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.099
life because if you're too close by even like

00:41:22.099 --> 00:41:24.539
a fraction or too far away it's either too hot

00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:27.019
or too cold for life so where are those perfect

00:41:27.019 --> 00:41:29.860
conditions other where there's probably a very

00:41:29.860 --> 00:41:32.699
small chance right no casey there's a very small

00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:35.139
amount of them but the crazy thing is the universe

00:41:35.139 --> 00:41:38.039
is huge yeah yeah there's really not a small

00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:39.840
amount of them there's a small amount of them

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.239
what we consider close like millions of light

00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.880
years away there's a small amount of them but

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.019
also the universe has no evidence of being anything

00:41:51.019 --> 00:41:53.239
less than infinite we don't have proof that it's

00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:54.980
infinite so we don't call the universe infinite

00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:57.699
but up to this point with what we have experienced

00:41:57.699 --> 00:42:00.659
as humans and our understanding of the way light

00:42:00.659 --> 00:42:04.599
works and the way space works as a whole we have

00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:09.250
no proof that the universe is not infinite And

00:42:09.250 --> 00:42:10.889
that's something that's hotly debated between

00:42:10.889 --> 00:42:13.570
scientists all the fucking time. And really,

00:42:13.650 --> 00:42:15.869
it's not really even a debate. It's more of like

00:42:15.869 --> 00:42:18.530
a philosophy. Because we have no way of obtaining

00:42:18.530 --> 00:42:21.449
proof of it either way. Because of the expansion

00:42:21.449 --> 00:42:23.449
rate of the universe, at a certain point you

00:42:23.449 --> 00:42:25.469
just kind of stop seeing shit. It's stretched

00:42:25.469 --> 00:42:28.929
too far out. So the light's never going to reach

00:42:28.929 --> 00:42:31.809
us. Well, there's an observable universe. So

00:42:31.809 --> 00:42:34.769
what if life has evolved outside of that? And

00:42:34.769 --> 00:42:38.400
that's the thing. It could evolve. But the other

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.519
thing, though, is even the observable universe

00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.719
is fucking colossal. When we say there's a small

00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.760
amount of planets, we theorize that there are

00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:49.079
trillions of planets that could harbor life.

00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:53.820
They're just space is fucking huge. They're really

00:42:53.820 --> 00:42:58.800
far out there. Like, really, really. incomprehensibly

00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.079
far so we don't consider them like the reason

00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.480
we think that there's like oh we can't like we'd

00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:05.699
see intelligent life is because we think selfishly

00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:07.539
about it we think if the earth died could we

00:43:07.539 --> 00:43:09.739
make it there and settle it and realistically

00:43:09.739 --> 00:43:12.579
fuck no we couldn't we do not have the technology

00:43:12.579 --> 00:43:14.519
to do that we can't even get to our own fucking

00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.760
moon right now we're retarded we're retarded

00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.659
as humans but like that's the thing is that there's

00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:24.860
trillions of planets all over that spectrum of

00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.059
How far away they are and how long their light

00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:30.519
takes to reach us. Why the fuck aren't we seeing

00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.440
it? I don't know, but it takes like... Nobody

00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.219
knows, Casey. It takes like a million light years

00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:40.199
to just escape our galaxy, right? Yeah, but there's

00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.460
a lot of time. What was it? 16 whatever billion?

00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:47.619
16 billion. Billion is a lot. Billion's a lot.

00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.309
It's a lot more than a couple million. When you

00:43:50.309 --> 00:43:52.230
think about these numbers, it's really tough

00:43:52.230 --> 00:43:53.889
to put it into perspective because you throw

00:43:53.889 --> 00:43:55.690
enough zeros at the end of something. They all

00:43:55.690 --> 00:43:58.909
start to look the same. I guess, but even if

00:43:58.909 --> 00:44:00.710
they evolved, they wouldn't be able to get here

00:44:00.710 --> 00:44:03.489
because just to go across our galaxy would take

00:44:03.489 --> 00:44:05.510
that long. They don't need to get here, though.

00:44:05.570 --> 00:44:07.610
They could send us a sign, like a radio signal,

00:44:07.809 --> 00:44:10.230
or even just like waves of radiation. How long

00:44:10.230 --> 00:44:13.849
would a radio signal take? If it takes 400 ,000

00:44:13.849 --> 00:44:16.070
light years to get across a galaxy, how long

00:44:16.070 --> 00:44:19.650
would a radio signal take? If you have a radio

00:44:19.650 --> 00:44:21.869
signal that's been on for millions and millions

00:44:21.869 --> 00:44:24.110
of years that they don't shut off because their

00:44:24.110 --> 00:44:27.690
fucking civilization still exists, that it would

00:44:27.690 --> 00:44:29.550
be going out for millions and millions of years.

00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:31.849
So in theory, we should have seen it already

00:44:31.849 --> 00:44:36.949
is what I'm saying. So why don't we see it? Like,

00:44:37.050 --> 00:44:39.190
I get what you're getting at, but the Fermi paradox

00:44:39.190 --> 00:44:42.289
has a question to answer every question you're

00:44:42.289 --> 00:44:45.630
asking because it's creepy. We don't know. We

00:44:45.630 --> 00:44:48.780
don't know. We think we should see it, but we

00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.440
don't know why we don't. There's ways that it

00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.239
should be able for us to see other existences

00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:56.940
out there of intelligent life, and we don't.

00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:58.900
And then that also brings into question, are

00:44:58.900 --> 00:45:01.059
they just as stupid as we are, and they fucking

00:45:01.059 --> 00:45:03.909
wiped themselves out? They probably did. They

00:45:03.909 --> 00:45:06.329
probably fucking did. I don't think any civilization

00:45:06.329 --> 00:45:09.489
is going to be able to have a radio going for

00:45:09.489 --> 00:45:11.409
a million years. I think they're going to wipe

00:45:11.409 --> 00:45:13.269
themselves out way before that. Yeah, it's either

00:45:13.269 --> 00:45:15.610
Reapers, bro, or they fucking whacked one another.

00:45:15.750 --> 00:45:17.909
Because politics are a bitch. And with intelligence

00:45:17.909 --> 00:45:21.030
comes society. And with society comes culture.

00:45:21.250 --> 00:45:22.989
And with culture comes cultural differences.

00:45:23.190 --> 00:45:27.250
And boom. And then you get the Jews. Jew, Jew,

00:45:27.269 --> 00:45:30.409
Jew, Jew, Jew. No, no, no, no. I don't jump into

00:45:30.409 --> 00:45:32.630
this like you guys do. All three of you have

00:45:32.630 --> 00:45:36.769
jumped into that at certain points. Casey, do

00:45:36.769 --> 00:45:42.449
you have a vape? Yeah. Good shit. So if you were

00:45:42.449 --> 00:45:46.630
a Boltzman, or if you just woke up and you were

00:45:46.630 --> 00:45:50.550
just a brain in a Petri dish playing Doom, would

00:45:50.550 --> 00:45:54.219
you be like, hey, this kind of sucks? Or would

00:45:54.219 --> 00:45:56.820
you be like, yeah. You wouldn't be aware. Well,

00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:59.340
I'm saying you can't prove whether those brain

00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:02.820
cells are aware or not. What if they are actually

00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:04.380
aware? You kind of can, though. They're human

00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:07.000
brain cells, so they have the ability to be aware.

00:46:07.659 --> 00:46:12.440
Well, they don't have senses, though, Casey.

00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:14.780
There's more to it than just brain cells. But

00:46:14.780 --> 00:46:16.760
they have the ability to learn to play Doom,

00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.099
though. Yeah, they have the ability to learn

00:46:19.099 --> 00:46:21.119
and store information. They don't have the ability

00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.289
to perceive. Like, they don't have the tools

00:46:24.289 --> 00:46:26.809
to understand that they're a consciousness, even

00:46:26.809 --> 00:46:28.769
if they are one. But how do you know that? Because

00:46:28.769 --> 00:46:30.489
they're brain cells. Because they don't have

00:46:30.489 --> 00:46:33.469
senses. They have no input. They have memories

00:46:33.469 --> 00:46:35.429
that were injected into them, and then they get

00:46:35.429 --> 00:46:37.590
electricity pumped full of them. But you're saying

00:46:37.590 --> 00:46:40.769
a Boltzmann brain can be aware of that. I'm disagreeing

00:46:40.769 --> 00:46:42.710
with my previous argument, which both of them

00:46:42.710 --> 00:46:44.530
could be correct, or both of them could be wrong.

00:46:45.409 --> 00:46:47.690
Most likely, both of them are wrong. Why couldn't

00:46:47.690 --> 00:46:50.489
the Petri dish have cells? Playing Doom just

00:46:50.489 --> 00:46:54.610
might not be a Bolton game. Because it's essentially

00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:57.030
a circuit board. I think that you're looking

00:46:57.030 --> 00:46:59.710
at it. Now I'm looking at it from the other end

00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:02.650
of like, sure, I could say maybe there's a consciousness

00:47:02.650 --> 00:47:06.929
on there, but at the same time, why would it

00:47:06.929 --> 00:47:10.329
be? It's not perceiving. It's not controlling

00:47:10.329 --> 00:47:14.269
anything. It's being controlled. Oh, that's actually

00:47:14.269 --> 00:47:15.889
a pretty fucking thought -provoking thought.

00:47:15.949 --> 00:47:18.760
Yeah, it's being controlled. It's a brain controls

00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.780
itself. It takes its information and it runs

00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:24.519
with it. That thing is being told to run the

00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:26.880
way that it's told to run. Yeah. It's playing

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.280
doom based off of someone's other input and the

00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.219
cells are being used essentially as a circuit

00:47:31.219 --> 00:47:33.800
board. There's no control there. So I would argue

00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.300
that there, there can't be a consciousness there.

00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.400
I want to take like brain cells from all of us

00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.719
on the podcast and like replicate them in a Petri

00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:46.119
dish, like grow more and then teach them how

00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.380
to play Jeopardy and then see who wins. I think

00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:51.500
that if we do that and it becomes smart enough

00:47:51.500 --> 00:47:54.699
to do it, Casey, I think it's going to. escape

00:47:54.699 --> 00:47:56.500
and it's gonna kill us all i think it's gonna

00:47:56.500 --> 00:47:59.639
kill us i think it's gonna be like why do i have

00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.300
memories of all three of you you created a fucking

00:48:02.300 --> 00:48:05.059
monster it's gonna be like frankenstein it would

00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:07.239
literally be that was the whole thing with frankenstein

00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.099
the reason he was all doom and gloom was because

00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:11.059
his brain was made of a bunch of other people's

00:48:11.059 --> 00:48:13.599
brains he's like who the fuck am i i have these

00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.119
bits and pieces of memory but i don't none of

00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.079
them are specific and i don't know who the fuck

00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.980
they're from I'm a little girl in France. I'm

00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:23.440
a fucking American dude who drinks beer every

00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:28.019
night. I'm a fucking pterodactyl. I don't fucking

00:48:28.019 --> 00:48:32.760
know. What if I took my brain and just cloned

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.420
it? Would that have a separate consciousness

00:48:35.420 --> 00:48:38.739
than mine or would it be the same? If you put

00:48:38.739 --> 00:48:40.900
it into a body, I'd argue it's a separate consciousness

00:48:40.900 --> 00:48:45.409
with your memories. But again, I think a lot

00:48:45.409 --> 00:48:47.469
of it has to do with the input, what it's being

00:48:47.469 --> 00:48:49.610
tasked to do. If you just put that brain in a

00:48:49.610 --> 00:48:51.610
jar, nobody knows what's going on inside of it.

00:48:51.630 --> 00:48:53.789
It is a true Boltzmann brain. Does it have a

00:48:53.789 --> 00:48:55.690
consciousness? Nobody knows. We have no fucking

00:48:55.690 --> 00:48:57.869
way to tell, at least at this point. We don't

00:48:57.869 --> 00:49:02.050
know how to read neuron cells. Based off of what

00:49:02.050 --> 00:49:04.090
I'm gathering from this, I'm not going to lie.

00:49:04.269 --> 00:49:06.130
I think that they're probably overselling what

00:49:06.130 --> 00:49:08.670
this brain's actually doing. Something tells

00:49:08.670 --> 00:49:10.670
me that, like, the neurons are just the connecting

00:49:10.670 --> 00:49:12.909
pieces of the electricity. I don't think that

00:49:12.909 --> 00:49:14.349
there's actually any... Well, they're not feeding

00:49:14.349 --> 00:49:17.409
it any input. Like, they're not... Like, when

00:49:17.409 --> 00:49:19.409
it's playing the game Doom, they're not telling

00:49:19.409 --> 00:49:22.409
it what to do. Like, they made it learn what

00:49:22.409 --> 00:49:25.130
to do, but they're not... So here's my question.

00:49:25.289 --> 00:49:29.210
Is the brain running Doom? Because that's what...

00:49:29.210 --> 00:49:31.829
Based off of the story you're telling me, because...

00:49:31.829 --> 00:49:34.909
No, it's connected with, like, electrodes. I

00:49:34.909 --> 00:49:38.289
know. But is it... I think what... The story

00:49:38.289 --> 00:49:40.909
is that it's running Doom. I don't believe it's

00:49:40.909 --> 00:49:44.530
playing it. What do you mean, running Doom? Because

00:49:44.530 --> 00:49:47.630
that's the thing that we always... Humanity is

00:49:47.630 --> 00:49:50.750
fucking funny. We do weird shit sometimes. People

00:49:50.750 --> 00:49:53.150
try to run Doom on everything. They make that

00:49:53.150 --> 00:49:56.769
a big meme. People run Doom on everything. There's

00:49:56.769 --> 00:49:59.030
people who have hacked pedometers and ran Doom

00:49:59.030 --> 00:50:01.909
on it from the 2000s and shit. People are fucking

00:50:01.909 --> 00:50:06.670
crazy when it comes to Doom. I just feel like

00:50:06.670 --> 00:50:10.170
we need to read this article of, are the brain

00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:13.110
cells the player, or are they the game? Because

00:50:13.110 --> 00:50:14.530
if they're the game, I don't believe that they

00:50:14.530 --> 00:50:17.989
possess consciousness. Like, did they load the

00:50:17.989 --> 00:50:20.630
game into the brain cells? No, I think they just

00:50:20.630 --> 00:50:23.750
loaded it on a normal thing, and then they had

00:50:23.750 --> 00:50:28.039
the brain be able to... Change inputs with electricity.

00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.440
Are you sure? Read this again. Read it again.

00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.559
Instead of like a controller, they would have...

00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:34.400
Read it again, because then that changes my entire

00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:42.880
perspective on all of this. Right. I don't know.

00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:52.139
I think there's a video about it. One big question

00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:55.690
unanswered. Can it run Doom? In 2021, Cortical

00:50:55.690 --> 00:50:58.150
Labs introduced DishBrain, where 800 ,000 neurons

00:50:58.150 --> 00:51:01.389
learned to play Pong. Fast forward to 2024, and

00:51:01.389 --> 00:51:04.510
they released the CL1, a fully deployable biocomputer

00:51:04.510 --> 00:51:06.889
that allegedly consumed less power and learned

00:51:06.889 --> 00:51:13.139
faster than modern AI algorithms. Okay, so yeah,

00:51:13.179 --> 00:51:14.920
it's saying it played Pong, but it's running

00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.000
Doom. That's the distinction. So the brain is

00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:23.440
the console? Yes, yes. They turn the brain into

00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.269
a USB drive. It stores the information. That

00:51:27.269 --> 00:51:29.449
stimulation became the neurons' sensory inputs.

00:51:29.570 --> 00:51:31.530
The neurons then responded by firing their own

00:51:31.530 --> 00:51:33.289
electrical signals that were recorded by the

00:51:33.289 --> 00:51:35.429
chip and translated into the software into game

00:51:35.429 --> 00:51:38.070
actions, like turning, moving forward, or firing

00:51:38.070 --> 00:51:40.030
a weapon. Yeah, so they recorded their own signals

00:51:40.030 --> 00:51:43.449
to control the game. No, it's just used as the

00:51:43.449 --> 00:51:45.909
connecting parts of a mic. That's what they just

00:51:45.909 --> 00:51:48.969
described. It's essentially just being the motherboard.

00:51:49.250 --> 00:51:51.929
It's just instead of having... So who's playing

00:51:51.929 --> 00:51:55.690
the game then? Because he just said that the

00:51:55.690 --> 00:52:01.130
neurons evolved to be able to... One big question.

00:52:01.329 --> 00:52:04.070
I understand what you're saying, and it is firing

00:52:04.070 --> 00:52:06.389
its own signals which are turning into game inputs,

00:52:06.610 --> 00:52:08.969
but it's not working in the way... All it's doing

00:52:08.969 --> 00:52:11.949
is generating an electrical signal. That's all

00:52:11.949 --> 00:52:14.070
it's doing. And then the rest of it's just working

00:52:14.070 --> 00:52:16.150
as a motherboard that's conducting that signal.

00:52:16.849 --> 00:52:18.789
Yeah, but if you loaded Doom into a console,

00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:21.329
it physically needs inputs to beat the game.

00:52:21.329 --> 00:52:23.190
You know, I need to fucking do some more research

00:52:23.190 --> 00:52:27.489
on this, Casey, all right? Next podcast, I'll

00:52:27.489 --> 00:52:29.150
get back to you with my findings, all right?

00:52:29.170 --> 00:52:31.190
Because I need to do more research on this. I

00:52:31.190 --> 00:52:33.530
need to read in depth about this to understand

00:52:33.530 --> 00:52:35.489
what's going on. Because this guy's explaining

00:52:35.489 --> 00:52:38.530
it very vague. Like he said, run Doom in one

00:52:38.530 --> 00:52:40.929
sense, but then he's describing essentially kind

00:52:40.929 --> 00:52:44.210
of playing it later. He said that the neurons...

00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.699
what evolved to be able to send signals. It might

00:52:48.699 --> 00:52:51.000
be the player and the game based off of what

00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.420
he's saying. It almost sounds like the brain

00:52:52.420 --> 00:52:54.820
is the player and the game, but there's a, there's

00:52:54.820 --> 00:52:58.280
a computer part to it though. It's not just the

00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.239
brain cells that are running it. And that's the

00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.139
question is where, where is our, I got to read

00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:06.400
about it. Okay. I need to read about it. I'm

00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.380
sure there's a lot more than just this guy's

00:53:08.380 --> 00:53:10.099
five minute YouTube clip, whatever information

00:53:10.099 --> 00:53:12.360
he was looking at to make that video is the shit

00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.960
I got to read. Yeah. But that's crazy. It is

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.039
crazy. Either way, it's fucking crazy that we

00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.360
know how to do that. But in terms of the philosophical

00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.719
Boltzmann brain argument, I think that it needs

00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.860
to be the one inputting it, either inputting

00:53:26.860 --> 00:53:28.920
it or it needs to know the game and be playing,

00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.400
but also understand that it's playing a game

00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.360
because it kind of sounds like it might just

00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.280
be fucking generating random electrical signals

00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.679
the same way that like are like, it might just

00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:42.179
have a sense of like brains, I believe are. um

00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:44.619
have a sense of automaticity to them the same

00:53:44.619 --> 00:53:46.139
way our heart does our heart doesn't need to

00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:48.179
be connected to our brain to fucking trigger

00:53:48.179 --> 00:53:50.139
electrical impulses to keep beating you know

00:53:50.139 --> 00:53:52.530
oh this guy might explain it better play the

00:53:52.530 --> 00:53:55.530
video game doom it's not a simulation not a metaphor

00:53:55.530 --> 00:53:58.829
around 200 000 living neurons grown on a microchip

00:53:58.829 --> 00:54:00.889
are receiving visual information from electrical

00:54:00.889 --> 00:54:03.550
pulses then firing back commands that move the

00:54:03.550 --> 00:54:05.789
character find enemies firing back trigger the

00:54:05.789 --> 00:54:08.230
company behind this is called cortical labs their

00:54:08.230 --> 00:54:10.789
cl1 device converts the game's video feed into

00:54:10.789 --> 00:54:13.750
electrical stimulation mapped directly onto the

00:54:13.750 --> 00:54:15.989
brain cells for example when a demon appears

00:54:15.989 --> 00:54:18.269
on the left side of the screen electrodes fire

00:54:18.269 --> 00:54:20.369
on the left side of the chip the neurons respond

00:54:20.369 --> 00:54:22.719
and their firing patterns get interpreted as

00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.460
movement or attack commands. Now, to be clear,

00:54:25.539 --> 00:54:28.199
the neurons aren't good at the game yet. They

00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.099
play like someone who's never seen a computer,

00:54:30.340 --> 00:54:32.360
which to be fair, they haven't. But here's what

00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.800
matters. An independent developer with no background

00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.639
in biology built this in under a week using a

00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.980
Python interface. See, the Pong demonstration

00:54:39.980 --> 00:54:42.820
that came before this took 18 months of painstaking

00:54:42.820 --> 00:54:45.780
work. And this obviously makes some people uneasy.

00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.940
If living brain cells can be trained this quickly,

00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.420
questions about consciousness and what these

00:54:50.420 --> 00:54:53.579
cells experience become harder to display because

00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:56.500
it's not all grim because there are some promising

00:54:56.500 --> 00:54:58.760
use cases already in testing researchers are

00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.360
using the cl1 to model diseases like epilepsy

00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.400
and alzheimer's then testing drug compounds on

00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:06.480
the living brain cells all without any animal

00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.719
testing so the neurons start to be that brain

00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.900
if that thing's got a consciousness it's living

00:55:10.900 --> 00:55:13.679
in hell Hey, have fucking Alzheimer's. Have epilepsy.

00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.860
Yeah. Your whole consciousness is just us fucking

00:55:16.860 --> 00:55:19.860
blasting you with diseases until we scrap you

00:55:19.860 --> 00:55:22.360
and throw you in a fucking dumpster. That's unethical.

00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:24.639
If that's a consciousness, that's fucking unethical.

00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:26.900
It is unethical. But you can teach AI to play

00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:28.860
Doom, right? And that's just electrical signals.

00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.179
Yeah, but I gotta... Casey, I gotta... So why

00:55:31.179 --> 00:55:34.480
is AI not intelligent? I feel like he's summarizing

00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:37.380
it, though. I feel like he's really, truly summarizing

00:55:37.380 --> 00:55:39.420
it because this setup sounds extremely basic.

00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.460
I feel like there's more to it. it than just

00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:43.380
that because the other thing is it's not like

00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:46.159
this brain is seeing visual data it's just being

00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.599
shot electrical impulses essentially just taught

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.599
it to do uh it's just a computer program just

00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:58.019
like an ai oh shit fucking ghost but no i'm saying

00:55:58.019 --> 00:56:00.679
that i think that i think that it could just

00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.579
be that there's electrical signals being transmitted

00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:08.820
into the fucking thing And the brain doesn't

00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:12.000
know what they are. It's just getting blasts

00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:14.059
of electricity. It doesn't understand them as

00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:16.320
an attack command. It doesn't understand them

00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:18.539
as a game. It doesn't understand. It's just cells

00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:20.440
being hit with electricity. You know what I'm

00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.079
saying? Like it might not have as deep of an

00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:25.239
understanding of it, of the game as we think

00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.019
it does. It could just be. Yeah. But can you

00:56:28.019 --> 00:56:32.000
argue that AI doesn't understand? What it's doing,

00:56:32.059 --> 00:56:34.039
it's just a bunch of electrical signals? No,

00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:35.960
because it completes its task. It demonstrates

00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.860
that it does understand what it's being asked

00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:40.699
to do. But does it have the consciousness to

00:56:40.699 --> 00:56:44.719
understand? And that's a question. Most people

00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.360
would say no because it's a computer. But how

00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.920
is my brain operating again off of electricity,

00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.619
just in a different way? You have oxygen and

00:56:54.619 --> 00:56:58.420
you have... and you have sugar and all this stuff

00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:01.300
that's making ATP in your brain that's being

00:57:01.300 --> 00:57:03.920
used as energy to fire these electrical impulses.

00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:07.800
But how is that brain any different than a computer

00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.019
or even a basic chip, like a calculator that

00:57:12.019 --> 00:57:15.579
just has that shit going on? There is that question.

00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.760
And in that instance, I would argue that this

00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.199
Doom game hooked up to these neurons is, and

00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.800
I think everything is. So where's the line? Where's

00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:27.679
the line? good question actually where is the

00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.420
line it's like this watch is mechanical i hate

00:57:30.420 --> 00:57:32.780
to go back to my watch but like this thing all

00:57:32.780 --> 00:57:35.599
it is is a bunch of springs and coils but it

00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:38.099
does a task that i ask it to do how is this thing

00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:42.480
any different from my brain it's not it's not

00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.900
really we have memory storage this thing has

00:57:44.900 --> 00:57:46.820
memory storage though it knows what time it is

00:57:46.820 --> 00:57:50.260
because of the gears in it My gears are just

00:57:50.260 --> 00:57:51.800
a little bit different and more sophisticated.

00:57:52.219 --> 00:57:55.440
So it really comes down to what is consciousness,

00:57:55.659 --> 00:57:58.219
what is a brain, what isn't, and it kind of just

00:57:58.219 --> 00:58:00.840
makes everything seem alive to a certain extent.

00:58:01.179 --> 00:58:03.480
I think it's impossible to understand it, and

00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:06.519
so we should just turn to religion, just like

00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.679
past civilizations. That's kind of what we do.

00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:12.519
Yeah, when we don't understand something. That's

00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:15.079
what we do. Or we stop paying attention. We stop

00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:16.780
asking the questions because they're uncomfortable

00:58:16.780 --> 00:58:20.360
to answer or think about. you can get real doomer

00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.300
really quick the more you tunnel into this shit

00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:24.920
will eventually start to spook you at least if

00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:26.860
you think as deeply about this stuff as i do

00:58:26.860 --> 00:58:28.960
because like i will let that thought i will let

00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.539
this thought this conversation this is gonna

00:58:30.539 --> 00:58:32.820
fester this is gonna fester for a while it's

00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:35.019
gonna make me really uncomfortable i had a bit

00:58:35.019 --> 00:58:40.440
of a existential crisis actually lately not lately

00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.679
but like a moment of existential crisis because

00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:48.889
i'm like you know the thought of There just being

00:58:48.889 --> 00:58:52.610
nothing after you die is equally as scary as

00:58:52.610 --> 00:58:57.730
living forever. So I remember the exact moment

00:58:57.730 --> 00:59:00.489
that thought occurred to me. And I was a child.

00:59:00.610 --> 00:59:03.050
I was like six or seven years old, hanging out

00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:05.070
in my living room, playing with my army action

00:59:05.070 --> 00:59:08.289
figures. And my brain was just kind of on autopilot.

00:59:08.289 --> 00:59:09.929
And then all of a sudden those thoughts started

00:59:09.929 --> 00:59:12.190
creeping in. I had the military channel, which

00:59:12.190 --> 00:59:15.150
used to exist. on fucking direct tv playing and

00:59:15.150 --> 00:59:16.969
it was some world war ii documentary and it's

00:59:16.969 --> 00:59:18.469
just talking about life and death and all this

00:59:18.469 --> 00:59:20.429
stuff so it just got me thinking and it was like

00:59:20.429 --> 00:59:23.610
wait if i die and i go to heaven that's fucking

00:59:23.610 --> 00:59:27.750
scary but like if i died and there's nothing

00:59:27.750 --> 00:59:30.329
that's even scarier wait so why is it why is

00:59:30.329 --> 00:59:32.969
it scary if you go to heaven because eternity

00:59:32.969 --> 00:59:38.480
is really fucking creepy exactly so that was

00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:40.659
like the big breakthrough moment. And that fucked

00:59:40.659 --> 00:59:43.000
me up for a week. And then I started really tunneling

00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:44.699
into this stuff when I was in college the first

00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:48.860
time in like 2017. And I had an existential crisis

00:59:48.860 --> 00:59:52.139
that lasted a handful of weeks. It wasn't as,

00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.980
it wasn't like as severe as that. Cause I know

00:59:54.980 --> 00:59:56.400
the moment you're talking about. And it's just

00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.699
that moment of overwhelming horror. And it's

00:59:58.699 --> 01:00:01.019
like a snap. I did. I didn't just have this for

01:00:01.019 --> 01:00:03.440
the first time. I just like had it again. I have

01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:06.340
it again for every time. Yeah. So just don't,

01:00:06.340 --> 01:00:09.579
but the sad thing is, man, is that the real,

01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.980
the only, the only really healthy way to deal

01:00:12.980 --> 01:00:15.599
with that thought is just to not bother thinking

01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.880
about it. It's out of your control. Literally

01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.199
said, yeah, it's out of your control. There's

01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.039
nothing you can do about it. So, and while that's

01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:27.340
scary, you also do kind of, and I don't, this

01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:32.599
is why, When you ask those questions, it really

01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:35.599
makes a higher power seem likely. Because why

01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.119
would we be put here for eternity if it's really

01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.380
just hell? Maybe we just trust in a higher power

01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:43.019
that maybe it's not as bad as we think it's going

01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:46.340
to be. And if life exists, then there has to

01:00:46.340 --> 01:00:49.559
be a purpose to it. Well, there doesn't have

01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.019
to be, though. Well, there doesn't have to be,

01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.420
but that's a cynical way of thinking. But even

01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:56.280
just because it's cynical doesn't mean it's not

01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:58.599
true. It doesn't mean it's not true. But then

01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:03.199
why does it all exist? Why do we love? Why do

01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.079
we care? Why do we have empathy? Why does any

01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:06.659
of it exist? What's the whole fucking point?

01:01:06.739 --> 01:01:08.239
If there really wasn't a point, why would we

01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.280
be here? Well, what if there is no point, though?

01:01:10.619 --> 01:01:13.780
There could be, but there could be, but in my

01:01:13.780 --> 01:01:17.119
eyes, like it's not possible that there's no

01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.039
point. I'm not, I'm not saying that it's impossible.

01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:21.219
I'm just saying that to me, it seems a lot more

01:01:21.219 --> 01:01:22.980
likely that there is a point because then that

01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:26.000
explains that we're here. Like I just, I just

01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.719
feel like it's because you want there to be,

01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.440
I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I

01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:32.840
just feel like it's, there's got like there,

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.619
there needs to be a purpose. Like why, why would

01:01:36.619 --> 01:01:39.349
there not be? I would like there to be a purpose,

01:01:39.409 --> 01:01:42.409
you know, as much as you. Well, either way, the

01:01:42.409 --> 01:01:44.809
answer is you don't know. You don't know if there's

01:01:44.809 --> 01:01:46.849
not a purpose, then you don't know why. And if

01:01:46.849 --> 01:01:48.389
there is a purpose, then you don't know why.

01:01:48.510 --> 01:01:50.409
But at least to me, it still makes a little bit.

01:01:50.469 --> 01:01:52.329
It just makes sense. It's not that it's not that.

01:01:52.349 --> 01:01:54.809
I mean, yes, I want it, but it also makes sense.

01:01:55.590 --> 01:01:57.969
When you really factor, when you, Casey, when

01:01:57.969 --> 01:01:59.769
you put the whole fucking big picture together,

01:01:59.889 --> 01:02:02.110
the whole fucking big picture, you could have

01:02:02.110 --> 01:02:04.210
been anything. You could have been anything to

01:02:04.210 --> 01:02:08.599
exist here. You already won. this incredible,

01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.440
incredible factor in the Fermi paradox. Think

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.280
really big picture about it of all of the life

01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:16.320
that you could be. If you could have just been

01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.360
randomly selected into anything, you could have

01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.079
been those fucking neurons in a Petri dish. But

01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.699
are you? No, you're not some fucking stupid dinosaur

01:02:23.699 --> 01:02:26.480
somewhere in the far reaches of this infinite

01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.539
universe. You're the one thing in our known.

01:02:30.269 --> 01:02:33.230
observable universe, which is fucking colossal.

01:02:33.250 --> 01:02:37.750
You are the one species that's sentient. I don't

01:02:37.750 --> 01:02:40.630
think I'm that fucking lucky. I really don't

01:02:40.630 --> 01:02:42.429
think I'm that fucking lucky. Is that lucky?

01:02:42.550 --> 01:02:44.710
I don't think you want to go even deeper with

01:02:44.710 --> 01:02:46.889
it, man. You're one of the fucking millions of

01:02:46.889 --> 01:02:49.469
sperm. You're the one of the million sperm cells

01:02:49.469 --> 01:02:52.690
that made it to the fucking egg. That egg, the

01:02:52.690 --> 01:02:55.929
one that your mother was ready to fucking go.

01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:58.539
When your daddy fucking pumped you into her?

01:02:58.619 --> 01:03:02.000
You were that fucking sperm cell. That one that

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.579
was alive in his nutsack that day of the smartest,

01:03:04.659 --> 01:03:07.280
only intelligent fucking... Oh, of course I am,

01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:08.780
because if I was a different one, they'd just

01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:11.519
be talking to somebody else. yeah but why slightly

01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.980
different yeah but casey there's a lot of luck

01:03:13.980 --> 01:03:16.460
involved there man that's a lot that's a lot

01:03:16.460 --> 01:03:18.099
that's enough to make you think there's got to

01:03:18.099 --> 01:03:20.119
be a purpose even if it's a fucking simulation

01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.099
bro it would explain a simulation to me i just

01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:26.199
think that of all of the even just the loose

01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:28.139
foundations like there's nothing to say that

01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:30.179
each individual neuron doesn't have its own micro

01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:32.719
consciousness all the living cells there you

01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:36.219
could just be some minuscule single celled organism

01:03:36.219 --> 01:03:39.170
but no And then there's, I'm just saying, that

01:03:39.170 --> 01:03:43.570
number is insanely, insanely, insanely, insanely

01:03:43.570 --> 01:03:46.050
small with our understanding of consciousness,

01:03:46.230 --> 01:03:47.929
which we don't even fucking get, but somehow

01:03:47.929 --> 01:03:51.269
you are here. You are, Casey. You fucking are.

01:03:51.610 --> 01:03:53.829
You're thinking about it too personally. I'm

01:03:53.829 --> 01:03:56.190
not thinking about it personally. I'm not thinking,

01:03:56.289 --> 01:03:58.769
I'm doing the exact opposite. I'm thinking that

01:03:58.769 --> 01:04:00.369
I could have been fucking anything else, but

01:04:00.369 --> 01:04:04.150
I'm me. And I don't understand why I'm me. I

01:04:04.150 --> 01:04:06.650
don't understand why my body has a consciousness.

01:04:07.010 --> 01:04:09.250
Why am I not just a bunch of freely floating

01:04:09.250 --> 01:04:12.150
cells that have memories that conduct tasks on

01:04:12.150 --> 01:04:14.130
a daily basis that do its job and everything?

01:04:14.329 --> 01:04:16.690
Why is there a brain? Why is there a being to

01:04:16.690 --> 01:04:19.130
that? That's where I think the question of...

01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.099
a higher power comes in. You could just be automatist

01:04:22.099 --> 01:04:24.400
tissue that doesn't have a soul that doesn't

01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:26.360
exist. That doesn't have brain that doesn't have

01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:28.480
a brain that doesn't think, but you aren't, you

01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:31.659
are, you have a being, you have your own thoughts.

01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.619
You have the actions that you like. You have

01:04:33.619 --> 01:04:35.500
foods that you like. You have people you love

01:04:35.500 --> 01:04:37.420
people that you have empathy for. And we have

01:04:37.420 --> 01:04:40.380
no explanation for any of that. We have no explanation

01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:43.059
for any of that. Science has no answers to that.

01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:45.619
So that's why I think, yeah, if there's, if it's

01:04:45.619 --> 01:04:47.920
between there being a point or not being a point,

01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.679
there being a point seems a lot more likely to

01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:55.039
me. Yeah, like, if somebody won the lottery,

01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:56.760
right, that's like a one in a billion chance.

01:04:57.139 --> 01:04:59.739
That doesn't mean that... Yeah, but we're not

01:04:59.739 --> 01:05:02.539
talking a billion, Casey. We're talking a number

01:05:02.539 --> 01:05:05.460
that you can't even come up with in terms of

01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:08.940
luck. A number that wouldn't fit on a million

01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:11.860
fucking sheets of paper. Billions of pieces of

01:05:11.860 --> 01:05:14.780
paper. And you're the one out of all of those

01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:21.059
ones and zeros? I don't know, man. I don't know,

01:05:21.059 --> 01:05:23.199
man. I ain't buying it. There's a fucking reason.

01:05:24.699 --> 01:05:27.699
What's the reason for people to say that? You

01:05:27.699 --> 01:05:29.300
don't need to know it. There's just a reason.

01:05:30.380 --> 01:05:32.440
What about the people who are just born and just

01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.980
have miserable lives? You don't know what happens

01:05:35.980 --> 01:05:38.880
after. You don't know what happened before. We

01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:40.639
don't know. You don't know what the meaning is,

01:05:40.699 --> 01:05:42.820
Casey. But you just got to trust that there's

01:05:42.820 --> 01:05:45.039
a higher power and there is one. But I'm saying

01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:46.820
like Christians will be like, oh, the point of

01:05:46.820 --> 01:05:50.420
life is... you know so i can fuck christians

01:05:50.420 --> 01:05:52.880
fuck religion i'm not talking about religion

01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.699
i'm talking about a higher power i think all

01:05:55.699 --> 01:05:57.920
the religions are fucking stupid these guys don't

01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:01.099
fucking know nobody fucking knows nobody knows

01:06:01.099 --> 01:06:04.570
that's so ignorant to say that you do and i get

01:06:04.570 --> 01:06:06.170
it they all believe that there's this fucking

01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:08.909
person that died and then came back to life and

01:06:08.909 --> 01:06:11.070
he was the manifestation of this god and sure

01:06:11.070 --> 01:06:13.070
maybe he could be maybe i'm going to hell for

01:06:13.070 --> 01:06:16.150
saying that but to me that seems unlikely every

01:06:16.150 --> 01:06:20.250
religion i've ever seen seems unlikely but there

01:06:20.250 --> 01:06:23.829
being a meaning seems incredibly likely i'm just

01:06:23.829 --> 01:06:25.969
saying that it's not even worth thinking about

01:06:25.969 --> 01:06:29.179
it's almost a form of agnosticism But I'm like

01:06:29.179 --> 01:06:31.559
a hopeful agnostic, I guess you could say. I

01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:33.920
don't know what the fuck's going on, but I believe

01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.019
that there's a higher power. I'm not saying that

01:06:36.019 --> 01:06:37.599
it's a person. I'm not saying that the higher

01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:39.920
power is a consciousness. I'm just saying that

01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.559
there could be something going on behind the

01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:44.699
scenes that I'm not smart enough to understand,

01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:46.900
and I fucking will be okay with that. Some fifth,

01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:49.000
sixth dimensional being. Yeah, it could be a

01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.280
simulation. It could just be we're in a Petri

01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.360
dish. Yeah, and whatever fifth dimensional fucking

01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:57.500
being created us, he could be in a fucking simulation.

01:06:57.769 --> 01:06:59.929
And that could just stack for infinity. And then

01:06:59.929 --> 01:07:02.389
we literally play like simulation games in the

01:07:02.389 --> 01:07:04.710
simulation. And then we go in the simulation

01:07:04.710 --> 01:07:06.829
and we play simulation games in that simulation.

01:07:07.130 --> 01:07:09.630
Like when you go in VR chat, this is what I was

01:07:09.630 --> 01:07:12.349
saying. Casey, I said this, there was an episode

01:07:12.349 --> 01:07:14.550
when, when I was talking about paramedic school

01:07:14.550 --> 01:07:16.329
and I was just talking about how I saw so many

01:07:16.329 --> 01:07:19.250
similarities between the human body and the universe

01:07:19.250 --> 01:07:23.449
as a whole. And I just really think that I feel

01:07:23.449 --> 01:07:25.449
like there's always a bigger and a smaller scale

01:07:25.449 --> 01:07:29.059
in everything. That's my yin and yang. It's the

01:07:29.059 --> 01:07:31.500
same thing where objects can be infinitely large,

01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:33.960
but you can always divide something by two. You

01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:37.119
can have infinitely small things too. And I think

01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:39.639
that life and that our dimensions work the same

01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:43.099
exact way. Yeah. And that's scary. That's really

01:07:43.099 --> 01:07:46.400
scary. But why is eternity scary? Because that's

01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:48.280
what I was thinking about. Because I was thinking

01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.539
about if you just like do this. Because it's

01:07:50.539 --> 01:07:52.880
forever. Exactly. It's uncomfortable. Casey,

01:07:52.940 --> 01:07:56.300
our brains do not like. we can't comprehend.

01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.559
That's why I'm so fixated on space. But how many

01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:01.280
years do you think you could live in eternity

01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.760
before being like, yeah, I just don't want to

01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.659
exist anymore? Well, here's the other thing.

01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.400
Here's the other thing. I'll answer your question.

01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:12.000
I wouldn't ever be comfortable. But the other

01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.059
thing is that there's so many different perceptions

01:08:14.059 --> 01:08:15.980
of, let's say there is a heaven. No, I'm saying

01:08:15.980 --> 01:08:18.100
how long would it take you to be like, I just

01:08:18.100 --> 01:08:20.619
don't want to exist anymore? Immediately. Oh,

01:08:20.619 --> 01:08:23.579
okay. I mean... I mean, I feel like there would

01:08:23.579 --> 01:08:25.840
be some time where you'd be like, okay, let me

01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:32.119
try to enjoy this. Right? I don't know. I don't

01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.100
know. I'm pretty sure I'd be pretty fucking uncomfortable

01:08:34.100 --> 01:08:35.579
with it off the rip. But here's the thing. Let

01:08:35.579 --> 01:08:37.800
me say my thing. If there truly is a heaven.

01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.119
You got to just trust that that existence isn't

01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:43.260
a hellscape that you're aware of eternity and

01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:45.939
horrified. Like you could just be being pumped

01:08:45.939 --> 01:08:47.899
full of happy chemicals. Like you could just

01:08:47.899 --> 01:08:50.100
essentially be that guy who's constantly high

01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:53.500
on heroin. Like it could just be bliss. It could

01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:55.760
just be bliss that you would never, ever get

01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:59.100
tired of. And also Tyler's talked about this

01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:03.470
a lot. Time likely doesn't exist in heaven. Like

01:09:03.470 --> 01:09:06.029
heaven, they just try to explain it to people

01:09:06.029 --> 01:09:08.470
because I feel like most people when they hear

01:09:08.470 --> 01:09:10.810
heaven, they assume that it's like you all live

01:09:10.810 --> 01:09:13.869
in like this heavenly city in the clouds and

01:09:13.869 --> 01:09:16.369
you see all your loved ones that have died and

01:09:16.369 --> 01:09:18.510
you all, everything's just fucking hunky dory

01:09:18.510 --> 01:09:21.090
forever and you can do whatever you want, but

01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:23.649
you get bored of shit really quick and then you,

01:09:23.729 --> 01:09:25.750
it would just be life again, but it would be

01:09:25.750 --> 01:09:29.069
a life you couldn't die. And that sounds horrifying.

01:09:29.369 --> 01:09:32.970
Yeah, that's how. If heaven exists, it's not

01:09:32.970 --> 01:09:36.069
fucking that. Like, it's not. It's a place where

01:09:36.069 --> 01:09:38.189
time doesn't exist. It's a time where likely

01:09:38.189 --> 01:09:40.350
space doesn't exist. Maybe you just descend to

01:09:40.350 --> 01:09:42.090
the fucking fifth dimension. Well, what if you

01:09:42.090 --> 01:09:43.869
just wake up? Maybe when you die, you just level

01:09:43.869 --> 01:09:45.810
up and you go to the next dimension. No, just

01:09:45.810 --> 01:09:48.529
to play devil's advocate for Tyler. I mean, he

01:09:48.529 --> 01:09:51.250
might say, what if you just, you're in heaven,

01:09:51.329 --> 01:09:53.829
you just wake up every day and you just have

01:09:53.829 --> 01:09:56.630
like the best perfect day and the next day you

01:09:56.630 --> 01:09:59.010
don't. remember that and you just have it again

01:09:59.010 --> 01:10:01.329
it could be that too and so you're never you

01:10:01.329 --> 01:10:03.390
you're never like oh i've been here for a thousand

01:10:03.390 --> 01:10:06.310
million years because you just think that you

01:10:06.310 --> 01:10:08.550
just woke up yesterday well let me just talk

01:10:08.550 --> 01:10:10.590
to you about nietzsche's eternal recurrence theory

01:10:10.590 --> 01:10:13.449
who's to say we're not already in heaven Oh,

01:10:13.449 --> 01:10:16.369
shit. And this is the millionth time we've had

01:10:16.369 --> 01:10:17.970
this conversation. Well, not millionth. This

01:10:17.970 --> 01:10:20.069
is the infinite time we've had this conversation

01:10:20.069 --> 01:10:22.689
because there is no beginning. Yes. No, Nietzsche.

01:10:22.810 --> 01:10:25.029
That's Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche's eternal

01:10:25.029 --> 01:10:27.170
recurrence. You die and you're right back into

01:10:27.170 --> 01:10:30.250
the same life. Is Trump still president? Yeah.

01:10:30.689 --> 01:10:33.550
No, he'll be president. He's been president forever

01:10:33.550 --> 01:10:36.189
and he'll be president forever. God damn it.

01:10:37.850 --> 01:10:40.409
Yeah, that's what eternal recurrence is. Some

01:10:40.409 --> 01:10:42.710
people even tie Nietzsche's eternal recurrence

01:10:42.710 --> 01:10:45.050
into the multiverse, where every time you live,

01:10:45.130 --> 01:10:46.789
things are just a little bit different. I think

01:10:46.789 --> 01:10:49.210
that's pretty cool. I think reincarnation is

01:10:49.210 --> 01:10:52.310
cool. well reincarnation could be cool but casey

01:10:52.310 --> 01:10:54.909
i mean we say that as humans because we're we

01:10:54.909 --> 01:10:57.930
got shit made as humans when you're some squirrel

01:10:57.930 --> 01:11:00.130
that gets its head ripped off by a fox is like

01:11:00.130 --> 01:11:02.510
a baby and you see your mother murdered in front

01:11:02.510 --> 01:11:04.329
of you and then you just get born into an ant

01:11:04.329 --> 01:11:08.289
that gets stepped on by a fucking cow or some

01:11:08.289 --> 01:11:12.029
shit like dude life is inherently suffering to

01:11:12.029 --> 01:11:15.619
our understanding like We get old. You're in

01:11:15.619 --> 01:11:18.659
a lot of pain. You die. Stress, anxiety, responsibility,

01:11:19.100 --> 01:11:21.300
all this stuff weighs up. Yes, there are moments

01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:23.819
of happiness and bliss. I feel like most people...

01:11:23.819 --> 01:11:26.819
Everybody's mental health is different, but I

01:11:26.819 --> 01:11:29.000
feel like for the most part, most people have

01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:32.779
more negative stimuli than they do positive stimuli

01:11:32.779 --> 01:11:34.760
throughout their life. So you could argue that

01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:37.579
life is suffering, but... But think about this.

01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:41.420
When you die... Your brain eventually just degrades

01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:44.920
and it gets eaten by worms and it turns into,

01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.460
decomposes. But it's dead at that point. There's

01:11:47.460 --> 01:11:49.000
no electrical impulses. But then think about

01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.739
this. Some of those atoms become part of other

01:11:51.739 --> 01:11:54.779
life. The same atoms that were in your brain

01:11:54.779 --> 01:11:58.850
are now part of other living things. And it has

01:11:58.850 --> 01:12:01.409
now a different consciousness than you. Yeah,

01:12:01.430 --> 01:12:03.649
but here's the thing, though, Casey. And this

01:12:03.649 --> 01:12:06.430
is where I talked about what's different between

01:12:06.430 --> 01:12:08.109
a calculator and what's different between my

01:12:08.109 --> 01:12:10.510
watch and all this stuff. Another great line

01:12:10.510 --> 01:12:12.729
by Neil deGrasse Tyson in Cosmos is, we're all

01:12:12.729 --> 01:12:14.729
made of star stuff. Everything's made of star

01:12:14.729 --> 01:12:16.149
stuff. We're all just made of fucking atoms.

01:12:16.369 --> 01:12:18.250
And if you really want to get down to brass tacks

01:12:18.250 --> 01:12:20.130
here, we're all made of fucking protons, neutrons,

01:12:20.189 --> 01:12:24.350
electrons, and quarks. Sure, we make up different

01:12:24.350 --> 01:12:26.649
elements and we have different polarities and

01:12:26.649 --> 01:12:28.189
all this shit, but you're just an amalgamation

01:12:28.189 --> 01:12:32.109
of atoms. Actually, protons and neutrons and

01:12:32.109 --> 01:12:34.649
electrons are made of quarks. Oh, yeah. Quarks

01:12:34.649 --> 01:12:38.390
are the smallest thing. Yes. They're actually

01:12:38.390 --> 01:12:40.569
smaller than quarks. There's a lot of evidence

01:12:40.569 --> 01:12:43.310
that points to quarks being made of two dimensions.

01:12:44.149 --> 01:12:48.390
Let that sink in. Made of two dimensions? Yeah,

01:12:48.409 --> 01:12:52.600
we think that quarks might just be lines. Just

01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:54.579
think about that. Let that fuck with your head.

01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:56.880
We don't understand how quarks work yet. We think

01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.899
quarks are two -dimensional. Well, we have no

01:12:58.899 --> 01:13:00.600
evidence to prove that they're third -dimensional.

01:13:00.659 --> 01:13:02.800
Let me put it that way. That's where string theory

01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:06.640
comes from. We already know that time is bendable

01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:10.979
and it's relative. So I think that we as humans

01:13:10.979 --> 01:13:12.779
value time so much. Time is bendable, but it's

01:13:12.779 --> 01:13:15.539
only bendable in one direction. Right. To our

01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:17.800
knowledge, to our knowledge, in another dimension

01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:19.899
they can manipulate time the way that we do space.

01:13:20.670 --> 01:13:23.590
Well, not necessarily because you could manipulate

01:13:23.590 --> 01:13:28.409
time through like a wormhole. You're not manipulating

01:13:28.409 --> 01:13:30.970
time. You're traveling through it. That's different.

01:13:32.130 --> 01:13:35.789
But wouldn't time travel to like the past be

01:13:35.789 --> 01:13:38.810
possible? A wormhole also is not traveling through

01:13:38.810 --> 01:13:42.090
time. That's a big distinction. A wormhole is

01:13:42.090 --> 01:13:45.130
two separate pieces of two different places.

01:13:45.189 --> 01:13:48.130
I mean. Do I got to do the whole thing? I'll

01:13:48.130 --> 01:13:49.890
fucking do it. I'll do the, I'll do the fucking.

01:13:50.069 --> 01:13:51.850
I don't know, but I was watching. Okay. Casey,

01:13:52.069 --> 01:13:54.810
let me explain this to you. No, no, no. I know

01:13:54.810 --> 01:13:57.010
what you're going to do. You're going to put

01:13:57.010 --> 01:13:59.189
a fucking pencil through the bill. Yes. Be like,

01:13:59.310 --> 01:14:01.909
this is 2D. And once you go, I know, I know.

01:14:02.130 --> 01:14:05.229
Yes, but you're moving one direction. You're

01:14:05.229 --> 01:14:08.930
moving one direction. Oh, fuck. Fuck. No, we're

01:14:08.930 --> 01:14:11.550
good. You just, I'll just unplug the mic. Okay.

01:14:11.689 --> 01:14:15.069
Where the fuck was I? all right two -dimensional

01:14:15.069 --> 01:14:19.229
yes no time can only in our the way that we can

01:14:19.229 --> 01:14:21.390
manipulate time we can only manipulate it forwards

01:14:21.390 --> 01:14:23.710
that's the only way you can do it and that's

01:14:23.710 --> 01:14:27.210
through gravity right now though as we know it

01:14:27.210 --> 01:14:29.909
right now but there's a theory it's theoretically

01:14:29.909 --> 01:14:32.430
possible right no it's not theoretically possible

01:14:32.430 --> 01:14:35.130
with our theoretical understandings of physics

01:14:35.130 --> 01:14:38.779
there is no way to time travel You can only go

01:14:38.779 --> 01:14:41.020
forwards. You can manipulate yourself by bringing

01:14:41.020 --> 01:14:43.180
yourself to a large source of gravity, like hanging

01:14:43.180 --> 01:14:45.619
out on the outside of a black hole, not past

01:14:45.619 --> 01:14:47.739
the event horizon where not even light can escape,

01:14:47.899 --> 01:14:51.039
where any information of any sort can escape

01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:52.960
the event horizon. But you're saying that with

01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:56.220
information that we know now, though. Talking

01:14:56.220 --> 01:14:59.239
about stuff that we don't know. Yeah, but again,

01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:01.039
it's our theory. Because we don't know what happens

01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.600
when you go into a wormhole. Well, we don't even

01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.500
know for a fact that wormholes can exist. We

01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:08.100
know black holes exist. Yeah, but they're different.

01:15:08.260 --> 01:15:12.000
They're not the same. Black holes bend time too,

01:15:12.060 --> 01:15:15.699
though. They bend it forwards, Casey. They don't

01:15:15.699 --> 01:15:17.119
bend it backwards. I understand what you're saying.

01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.000
I agree with what you're saying. I know, but

01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:22.300
black holes are not wormholes. Wormholes, we

01:15:22.300 --> 01:15:26.939
theorize, could exist. But wormholes don't have

01:15:26.939 --> 01:15:30.220
any implication on time. They are simply a means

01:15:30.220 --> 01:15:34.569
of bending space. and that may come with a gravity

01:15:34.569 --> 01:15:37.869
component which would force time forward but

01:15:37.869 --> 01:15:40.689
our understanding of what a wormhole could be

01:15:40.689 --> 01:15:44.310
if it does exist which again is theoretical if

01:15:44.310 --> 01:15:46.890
there if time's moving in any direction while

01:15:46.890 --> 01:15:48.630
you travel through a wormhole it's only going

01:15:48.630 --> 01:15:51.289
to be forwards because the week you can't bend

01:15:51.289 --> 01:15:54.420
you can't give something negative gravity That

01:15:54.420 --> 01:15:57.739
doesn't exist to our knowledge. Again, there's

01:15:57.739 --> 01:15:59.359
a whole lot of stuff about dark matter that we

01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.180
don't understand. And we theorize that dark matter

01:16:02.180 --> 01:16:04.479
could be much more plentiful than the matter

01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:07.920
that we see around us. But we also have no evidence

01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:11.600
that that's true. It's all theoretical because

01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:15.539
we have no true way to observe and study dark

01:16:15.539 --> 01:16:19.810
matter. In order for matter to exist, to our

01:16:19.810 --> 01:16:23.189
understanding, we essentially created this notion

01:16:23.189 --> 01:16:25.770
of dark matter. Because if without it, the whole

01:16:25.770 --> 01:16:28.170
picture falls apart. I can't explain that to

01:16:28.170 --> 01:16:30.270
you because that's on an incredibly deep scale

01:16:30.270 --> 01:16:34.449
that I can't put into words and I don't even

01:16:34.449 --> 01:16:37.149
think I truly understand. But I know that in

01:16:37.149 --> 01:16:39.090
order for our matter to exist the way that we

01:16:39.090 --> 01:16:41.189
think it does, dark matter needs to exist. But

01:16:41.189 --> 01:16:43.289
we have no way to observe it or prove that it's

01:16:43.289 --> 01:16:45.380
real. But again, the whole picture falls apart

01:16:45.380 --> 01:16:47.159
if it doesn't. So we kind of just think that

01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:51.380
it does. But we can't say it does. There's also

01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:53.640
antimatter, which cancels out regular matter.

01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.619
Dark matter, antimatter, it's all the same shtick.

01:16:58.859 --> 01:17:00.760
Dark matter is actually different than antimatter.

01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.439
Well, I'm talking about both of them. Well, dark

01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:05.920
matter is matter that you can't physically see

01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:09.720
or observe. But antimatter is something that

01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:14.480
when it meets matter, it just cancels out. All

01:17:14.480 --> 01:17:17.640
righty. Yeah. Well, there you have it. So if

01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:20.699
you had like a planet Earth of antimatter and

01:17:20.699 --> 01:17:22.579
it collided with Earth, there would just be nothing

01:17:22.579 --> 01:17:25.399
anymore. Well, let's hope that doesn't happen.

01:17:27.819 --> 01:17:30.960
Oh, shit. I gotta pee if you want to take a break.

01:17:31.460 --> 01:17:54.329
I suppose we could. All right. Welcome back.

01:17:55.390 --> 01:17:57.550
Untitled Podcast. I forgot I was hosting a podcast

01:17:57.550 --> 01:17:59.750
for a second. I was just listening to 21 Pilots.

01:18:00.470 --> 01:18:03.390
Sometimes you just gotta. Sometimes you just

01:18:03.390 --> 01:18:06.609
gotta. And I know what you think in the morning.

01:18:08.210 --> 01:18:09.729
When the sun shines on the ground. We and Allie

01:18:09.729 --> 01:18:12.590
Mac were playing some 21 Pilots cover. We're

01:18:12.590 --> 01:18:14.930
going to start a 21 Pilots cover band. Hell yeah.

01:18:15.489 --> 01:18:18.090
We got a whole show planned. We're called the

01:18:18.090 --> 01:18:24.210
22nd Pilots. The 22nd and 23rd pilots. Didn't

01:18:24.210 --> 01:18:27.810
that name come from Death of a Salesman or something?

01:18:27.989 --> 01:18:31.029
It's some short story about these pilots that

01:18:31.029 --> 01:18:34.590
got lost at sea or something. Oh. Look it up.

01:18:34.710 --> 01:18:38.050
Look it up. I could be completely blowing smoke

01:18:38.050 --> 01:18:39.829
out of my ass here. I feel like that's where

01:18:39.829 --> 01:18:42.090
I heard it, though. All My Sons by Arthur Miller.

01:18:42.350 --> 01:18:49.079
Yeah. I read some of Arthur Miller in an English

01:18:49.079 --> 01:18:51.460
class. Oh, fucking The Things They Carried, right?

01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.420
That was him. I read The Crucible and Death of

01:18:54.420 --> 01:18:56.819
a Salesman. I have The Crucible at home. I haven't

01:18:56.819 --> 01:18:58.960
read it yet. Is it good? Is it worth reading?

01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:03.409
What? Is The Crucible the big -ass book? Yeah,

01:19:03.409 --> 01:19:06.130
I don't know. I think I was forced to read it

01:19:06.130 --> 01:19:08.590
when I was 13, so I probably didn't like it that

01:19:08.590 --> 01:19:10.869
much. Can you look up how many pages The Crucible

01:19:10.869 --> 01:19:12.390
is? Because I have a book called that, but I

01:19:12.390 --> 01:19:14.149
don't know if it's that one. I also feel like

01:19:14.149 --> 01:19:15.850
I read a book called The Crucible in school,

01:19:15.989 --> 01:19:19.029
but I feel like it was a novel -sized book. It

01:19:19.029 --> 01:19:22.149
was about them persecuting the witches during

01:19:22.149 --> 01:19:24.670
the Salem Witch Trials. Oh, right. Yeah, no,

01:19:24.750 --> 01:19:28.010
mine's about World War II history. It's not the

01:19:28.010 --> 01:19:33.069
same one. Yeah, so. Who the fuck is the things

01:19:33.069 --> 01:19:37.810
they carried by? The things they carried. I don't

01:19:37.810 --> 01:19:46.090
know. Who is the things they carried by? Tim

01:19:46.090 --> 01:19:51.250
O 'Brien. Tim O 'Brien. Tim Obey. Never heard

01:19:51.250 --> 01:19:54.130
of him. Yeah, neither have I. I read his book,

01:19:54.189 --> 01:19:56.750
man. Have you been seeing these memes this week

01:19:56.750 --> 01:20:00.550
that people think BB Nut and Yahoo's dead? And

01:20:00.550 --> 01:20:02.729
he has, like, six fingers, and, like, they thought

01:20:02.729 --> 01:20:04.449
it was an AI because they posted, like, a video

01:20:04.449 --> 01:20:07.350
of him with six fingers. Well, it looked like

01:20:07.350 --> 01:20:09.050
he had six fingers, but it really was just, like,

01:20:09.109 --> 01:20:11.149
the palm of his hand. And now they're saying

01:20:11.149 --> 01:20:13.750
he has, like, two ear canals. Casey, I think

01:20:13.750 --> 01:20:15.729
your algorithm's a little bit different than

01:20:15.729 --> 01:20:19.029
mine. Those memes don't come through on my social

01:20:19.029 --> 01:20:21.390
feed. No, like, that's the meme this week, is,

01:20:21.430 --> 01:20:25.130
like, BB's dead. He died on March 8th because

01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:28.569
his son was, um... he didn't like say anything

01:20:28.569 --> 01:20:30.430
he didn't post anything for like four days and

01:20:30.430 --> 01:20:32.409
he just posted something in like a palm shelter

01:20:32.409 --> 01:20:36.229
but it was like it looked kind of like ai and

01:20:36.229 --> 01:20:38.550
then his son was also off of twitter for seven

01:20:38.550 --> 01:20:41.130
days which is i guess the jewish mourning period

01:20:41.130 --> 01:20:44.170
and then he just showed up again like a week

01:20:44.170 --> 01:20:48.050
later i don't know i mean fucking maybe i'm not

01:20:48.050 --> 01:20:50.109
well versed enough to have a take on this i'll

01:20:50.109 --> 01:20:52.550
be honest but these memes are not in my feed

01:20:52.550 --> 01:20:56.689
no you know who's been Sufficiently silent about

01:20:56.689 --> 01:21:02.250
the Iran war so Charlie Kirk God rest his soul

01:21:02.250 --> 01:21:08.970
god bless God damn good do We're gonna say about

01:21:10.569 --> 01:21:13.710
you're saying oh right i was watching a lot of

01:21:13.710 --> 01:21:16.109
fucking i've been going back dude and comedy

01:21:16.109 --> 01:21:18.729
gold is watching those old fucking poker stars

01:21:18.729 --> 01:21:21.909
videos with fucking phil hellmuth blowing up

01:21:21.909 --> 01:21:25.350
dude those things are the funniest shit he says

01:21:25.350 --> 01:21:27.649
like he stands up from the table he's like honey

01:21:27.649 --> 01:21:30.869
he called me with with queen seven offsuit can

01:21:30.869 --> 01:21:33.289
you believe this can you believe this honey and

01:21:33.289 --> 01:21:35.010
everybody at the table's like yeah i bet she

01:21:35.010 --> 01:21:38.489
believes it like this is sick this is so sick

01:21:38.489 --> 01:21:41.550
they sick fucking hands Fucking Tony G's just

01:21:41.550 --> 01:21:44.130
fucking needling him the whole game. Get the

01:21:44.130 --> 01:21:46.130
trike. We can't trust him with a bicycle. He'll

01:21:46.130 --> 01:21:50.050
fall over. Just seeing him get so mad. So many.

01:21:50.130 --> 01:21:52.310
The one he fucking has the loose cannon or like

01:21:52.310 --> 01:21:54.770
the amateur player who's like a delivery driver

01:21:54.770 --> 01:21:58.840
for fucking donuts. They both go all in on this

01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:01.340
hand that Phil Hellmuth has like an 85 % chance

01:22:01.340 --> 01:22:03.979
of winning. So they run it four times. The loose

01:22:03.979 --> 01:22:08.460
cannon wins three of the four chances. He pulled

01:22:08.460 --> 01:22:11.720
like every out he had and won most of the pot.

01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:14.319
And Phil was fucking furious. Those got some

01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:16.819
bad luck. Those videos are too fucking funny.

01:22:16.899 --> 01:22:19.420
His ego needs to be studied. Cause it's like,

01:22:19.460 --> 01:22:21.680
he has the most, he has the most world series

01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:25.300
of poker bracelets, but he is disaster in cash

01:22:25.300 --> 01:22:29.079
games. that and he's just his ego is so bad just

01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:32.159
watching shit he hasn't stopped like if he's

01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.399
just there's so much content of just amateur

01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:37.819
players going against him and getting him so

01:22:37.819 --> 01:22:40.439
pissed off and beating him yeah it's just too

01:22:40.439 --> 01:22:43.340
fucking funny he always stands up puts his fucking

01:22:43.340 --> 01:22:45.819
leather jacket on and walks out and just fucking

01:22:45.819 --> 01:22:48.180
once you get him pissed off it's probably easy

01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:50.920
to win full tilt poker is hysterical it's just

01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.800
i can't even describe it Something interesting

01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:57.619
I saw on YouTube recently was chess boxing. You

01:22:57.619 --> 01:23:01.140
ever see that? No. It's a mix of chess and boxing.

01:23:01.460 --> 01:23:05.380
So they do one round of chess. They do two minutes

01:23:05.380 --> 01:23:08.600
of chess, and then they do a boxing round. And

01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:12.539
if a knockout wins, but also a checkmate wins.

01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.939
So it's the first knockout or checkmate wins.

01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:17.960
So they go back and forth between boxing and

01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:19.979
playing chess every two minutes. Is it speed

01:23:19.979 --> 01:23:23.829
chess, too? Speed chess? I think it's like a

01:23:23.829 --> 01:23:26.489
five. Yeah, it's a blitz. That's crazy. Yeah.

01:23:26.770 --> 01:23:29.789
That's a wild sport. And they have the commentators

01:23:29.789 --> 01:23:33.529
were like versed in chess. But like the one that

01:23:33.529 --> 01:23:35.909
I saw, the guys both sucked at chess and both

01:23:35.909 --> 01:23:39.930
sucked at boxing. Oh, my God. They're like nerdy

01:23:39.930 --> 01:23:42.149
guys. So they're like just like two nerds that

01:23:42.149 --> 01:23:44.130
were fighting each other. But they also just

01:23:44.130 --> 01:23:46.510
like gave up the most obvious moves. Yeah. You

01:23:46.510 --> 01:23:49.529
guys suck. I always love hearing fucking hockey

01:23:49.529 --> 01:23:52.569
commentators comment, commentate fights. It's

01:23:52.569 --> 01:23:54.430
just the funniest shit. Cause they're there for

01:23:54.430 --> 01:23:56.810
the, they're there for the game of hockey and

01:23:56.810 --> 01:23:58.449
they're good calling that. It's the same thing.

01:23:58.489 --> 01:24:00.470
It's like, they're well -versed in talking about

01:24:00.470 --> 01:24:02.029
hockey, but then the fight starts. It's like,

01:24:02.109 --> 01:24:05.170
Oh my goodness. And a right hook from Ostland.

01:24:05.250 --> 01:24:07.350
Oh, yup. You can see him. He's yanking his Jersey

01:24:07.350 --> 01:24:09.789
up there. Oh, he, all this looks like trouble.

01:24:09.869 --> 01:24:12.310
Oh, right hook. Oh, couple of body shots. Got

01:24:12.310 --> 01:24:14.210
him. It's like, it's hysterical. It's fucking

01:24:14.210 --> 01:24:16.840
so funny. And I was saying me and Tyler should

01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:19.640
play chess boxing on the podcast because I think

01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:22.340
it would be a pretty even match because I'm better

01:24:22.340 --> 01:24:25.199
at chess and he's better at boxing. I feel like

01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:26.979
you're still getting the raw end of that deal,

01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:29.819
Casey. Why? Because even if you beat him at chess,

01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:32.899
you still got the shit kicked out of you. Well,

01:24:33.020 --> 01:24:35.920
what if I beat him at chess first? Well, you're

01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:38.560
still going to have the boxing. I mean, honestly,

01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:40.460
in a five -minute competition between you and

01:24:40.460 --> 01:24:42.760
Tyler in chess, I have a good feeling it's not

01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:44.640
going to go to a fight. But that's a big risk

01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:48.119
to run. Tyler's also going to hold back. He's

01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:50.720
not going to fucking knock you out in your basement.

01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:52.899
That would be crazy. No, each player has five

01:24:52.899 --> 01:24:55.380
minutes, but they have to switch between chess

01:24:55.380 --> 01:24:58.859
and boxing every two minutes. So you're definitely

01:24:58.859 --> 01:25:01.800
going to get fought then. Not if you checkmate

01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:04.500
in the first two minutes. Yeah, but that's a

01:25:04.500 --> 01:25:06.399
big risk to run there, Casey. As somebody that

01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:10.079
doesn't know. I mean, I'm not trying to shut

01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:12.720
this game down. This sounds like fucking gold.

01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.479
I mean, I'm not totally useless as a boxer. I

01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.640
just haven't done it. I know you're not, but

01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:19.760
he knows how to box. So he's going to have a

01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:22.699
clear upper hand. All you have to do is put your

01:25:22.699 --> 01:25:25.279
hands up like this and you fight until they fucking

01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:27.199
get. I'm not going to say my strategy on here.

01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:29.579
Casey, you fucking go like this. Don't they get

01:25:29.579 --> 01:25:32.819
tired? They just fucking will. All right, Mike

01:25:32.819 --> 01:25:37.479
Tyson. Just fucking pop them. Yeah, but you can't

01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:40.539
cover your entire body. If you start covering

01:25:40.539 --> 01:25:42.520
here, Tyler's going to hit you on your sides,

01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:43.880
and then you're going to open up, and he's going

01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:45.840
to hit you in your gut. No, but I'm saying you

01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.640
go defensive, and you block for the first part.

01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:52.140
I know, but he's still going to hit you where

01:25:52.140 --> 01:25:54.100
you're not blocking. You're going to have to

01:25:54.100 --> 01:25:57.880
have some offense, too. I know, and I just think

01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.760
he knows the sport. He's going to be able to

01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.220
get a lot of good licks on you. At the end of

01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:05.779
the day, he's not going to fucking hurt you.

01:26:06.270 --> 01:26:08.170
And you're not going to hurt him by beating him

01:26:08.170 --> 01:26:11.149
in chess. I might. I don't know. I still think

01:26:11.149 --> 01:26:12.789
he's going to have a clear upper. I'm not going

01:26:12.789 --> 01:26:13.869
to say that you're going to get your fucking

01:26:13.869 --> 01:26:16.770
ass beat. You're not going to go down or anything.

01:26:17.930 --> 01:26:19.789
You're going to have to take a fucking wailing.

01:26:19.909 --> 01:26:23.590
I don't see you beating Tyler at boxing. I see

01:26:23.590 --> 01:26:25.810
you beating him 10 out of 10 times. I don't have

01:26:25.810 --> 01:26:27.510
to beat him at boxing. I just have to beat him

01:26:27.510 --> 01:26:29.789
at chess. Yeah, but the difference between you

01:26:29.789 --> 01:26:31.270
beating him at... I just have to survive until

01:26:31.270 --> 01:26:36.500
we play chess. This just seems masochistic. What

01:26:36.500 --> 01:26:38.720
do you have to gain from this? Is it for money

01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:41.180
or something? No, it just seems like a fun thing

01:26:41.180 --> 01:26:43.960
to do. Even if you win, you're getting the raw

01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:47.159
end of the deal. I just think I could win. I

01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.439
don't know. You definitely could win, and Tyler

01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:51.279
knows you could win, but you're essentially just

01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:53.460
giving him a golden ticket to fucking punch the

01:26:53.460 --> 01:26:55.159
shit out of you. Yeah, but I can punch him too.

01:26:57.070 --> 01:27:00.930
I want to see it happen. I got more weight. I

01:27:00.930 --> 01:27:02.909
got more force probably behind my punches. I

01:27:02.909 --> 01:27:06.369
can probably give him a fucking one, two. Me

01:27:06.369 --> 01:27:10.050
and Dan got to commentate it. Yes. Oh, my God.

01:27:10.170 --> 01:27:12.829
This needs to fucking happen. It's so funny because

01:27:12.829 --> 01:27:15.239
they like. Years of academy training have gone

01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.180
towards me commentating this fight. I'm fucking

01:27:17.180 --> 01:27:19.720
ready. Don't be playing chess and they're like,

01:27:19.819 --> 01:27:23.840
all right, ding, ding, ding. It's boxing time.

01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:26.460
And they just put fucking mouth guards and helmets

01:27:26.460 --> 01:27:28.539
on. They just start beating the shit out of each

01:27:28.539 --> 01:27:30.699
other. And like two minutes later, they're like,

01:27:30.720 --> 01:27:33.520
all right. Time for chess again. These players

01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.739
look like they don't have a clue because they

01:27:36.739 --> 01:27:39.899
just got hit in the head and shit. Yeah, that's

01:27:39.899 --> 01:27:41.640
the thing. That's the other thing I'm thinking

01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:43.800
is that if you don't knock off Tyler quick and

01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:46.119
he gets a good couple licks into your head and

01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:48.020
you get a couple days, you're going to reach

01:27:48.020 --> 01:27:50.720
a standoff at chess because both of you are going

01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:52.979
to be fucking throttled from hitting one another.

01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:55.920
And then Tyler's just going to have more opportunities

01:27:55.920 --> 01:27:58.880
to box you. So there's a lot of risk there, Casey.

01:27:59.100 --> 01:28:01.239
I think your strategy needs to be you got to

01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:04.840
fucking checkmate him in two minutes. I think

01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:08.779
I would have a good chance of doing that. I would

01:28:08.779 --> 01:28:12.159
really try. The thing is, he has five minutes

01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:13.939
on his clock, so he could just wait two minutes

01:28:13.939 --> 01:28:17.199
to make a first move and just go to boxing. He

01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.180
could do that, and you better hope he doesn't.

01:28:20.390 --> 01:28:23.109
He's probably going to catch on once you're making

01:28:23.109 --> 01:28:25.310
quick moves. He's going to realize. Well, now

01:28:25.310 --> 01:28:26.750
he's going to do it because he probably heard

01:28:26.750 --> 01:28:29.649
it. Yeah, well, I mean, I think he's smart enough

01:28:29.649 --> 01:28:31.550
to put two and two together anyway, so I think

01:28:31.550 --> 01:28:33.210
he would come to that deduction on his own. I

01:28:33.210 --> 01:28:35.930
don't think I'm giving him too much advice. But

01:28:35.930 --> 01:28:40.310
I also saw another thing that was armored MMA

01:28:40.310 --> 01:28:42.729
where they're just wearing like old -timey night

01:28:42.729 --> 01:28:45.029
suits and they have fucking swords and they just

01:28:45.029 --> 01:28:47.390
whack each other with swords. I'd fucking kill

01:28:47.390 --> 01:28:50.920
to do that. That sounds so much fun. You still

01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:52.920
take a fucking beating, though. Just because

01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:55.539
you're wearing a breastplate, if somebody hits

01:28:55.539 --> 01:28:58.340
you with a full strike, that's the equivalent

01:28:58.340 --> 01:29:02.260
of you wearing a fucking metal jacket. Somebody

01:29:02.260 --> 01:29:04.659
still hit you in the fucking chest with a club.

01:29:04.819 --> 01:29:07.460
It still hurts. You're still going to get bruised

01:29:07.460 --> 01:29:09.939
and hurt. I'd love to do it. I'd suck at it.

01:29:10.060 --> 01:29:12.359
These guys just whack each other in armor suits

01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:14.340
with swords, and it's like, how do you decide

01:29:14.340 --> 01:29:19.539
who wins? It's arbitrary. I think it's like...

01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.119
I feel like it would be like fencing or like

01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:25.079
a boxing match that doesn't result in a knockout.

01:29:25.140 --> 01:29:27.100
It would just be like a decision from a panel

01:29:27.100 --> 01:29:30.760
of judges. I think that's what it was, was a

01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.100
judge decision. But I don't know how they make

01:29:33.100 --> 01:29:35.119
that decision. Like who whacked each other with

01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:37.659
the sword the most times. Yeah. No, no. You have

01:29:37.659 --> 01:29:39.739
stats behind that. You have like solid hits,

01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:43.329
like punches thrown, punches connected. like

01:29:43.329 --> 01:29:46.630
how well you block like they analyze all that

01:29:46.630 --> 01:29:48.850
there's numbers for it people run the numbers

01:29:48.850 --> 01:29:51.649
on that shit and with the numbers and their overall

01:29:51.649 --> 01:29:53.710
watching the fight is how the judges come to

01:29:53.710 --> 01:29:56.510
their decision that's how it works in mma and

01:29:56.510 --> 01:29:59.949
boxing if it doesn't result in a knockout dude

01:29:59.949 --> 01:30:02.170
why can't like when countries go to war we just

01:30:02.170 --> 01:30:05.770
like do mma shit instead of like killing each

01:30:05.770 --> 01:30:10.180
other Casey, you're just thinking far too sensically

01:30:10.180 --> 01:30:12.420
right now. We need to send people who have nothing

01:30:12.420 --> 01:30:13.979
to do with the conflict. Why don't we just play

01:30:13.979 --> 01:30:18.619
chess instead? Like, whoever wins, wins the war.

01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:20.939
Yeah, I mean... Just have a gentleman's agreement.

01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:24.520
Casey, I'm all for it. I'm all for it. It doesn't

01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:28.159
work that way, though. It's just inherent in

01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:33.979
us. War. Defend your people. It's inherent. Nine

01:30:33.979 --> 01:30:36.739
out of ten wars, you know who the victor is going

01:30:36.739 --> 01:30:42.439
to be when the war starts. I don't know. I don't

01:30:42.439 --> 01:30:45.760
know, Casey. But war has never made sense. And

01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:48.779
war never changes. War never changes. I don't

01:30:48.779 --> 01:30:50.399
think we're going to be the victors in this war.

01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:55.399
It's going to be a long and costly war. Well,

01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:59.119
yeah. Every other time we've gone to the Middle

01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:01.819
East, it's worked out great, right? Well, every

01:31:01.819 --> 01:31:04.880
option that Trump has, he's screwed himself with.

01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:06.819
Because, you know, if he leaves the Middle East

01:31:06.819 --> 01:31:09.899
now, it's just like, oh, haha, you're a retard.

01:31:10.260 --> 01:31:13.279
No, he's just Putin in Ukraine right now. You

01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:15.819
can't back down and cut your losses until you

01:31:15.819 --> 01:31:18.239
really, really are in bad shape. If he fucking

01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:20.539
nukes them, then, you know, it's the end of the

01:31:20.539 --> 01:31:23.439
world. And if you send ground troops in, it's

01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:26.619
ten times worse than Afghanistan. The projected

01:31:26.619 --> 01:31:31.490
losses are ten times worse. Fucking great! Great.

01:31:31.490 --> 01:31:33.869
Great. I love it. I love it. That's so fucking

01:31:33.869 --> 01:31:36.670
nice to hear, especially with drone combat. Now

01:31:36.670 --> 01:31:38.189
we're going to get fucking ripped to pieces.

01:31:38.250 --> 01:31:41.510
They were testing the lottery, the draft lottery

01:31:41.510 --> 01:31:48.590
system out too. So that might be coming. What's

01:31:48.590 --> 01:31:52.310
the, what ages do they pull from? Usually 18

01:31:52.310 --> 01:31:58.220
to 26. Oh! Oh! Oh, we're safe! Are you 27? Yeah,

01:31:58.220 --> 01:32:03.119
baby! Yeah, baby! We're all good. The Entitled

01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:05.399
Podcast, we're good. I think 26 is like the last

01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:08.039
ones I could draft in, but... Yeah, we sent all

01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:12.279
the fucking dumb meat out there. You know, if

01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:14.180
something goes bad in the war and we're losing

01:32:14.180 --> 01:32:16.840
pretty bad, they can draft anybody if they fucking

01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:21.560
want to. Yeah, they can. Toy Hitler did. We have

01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:25.420
a lot more people than Iran does, though. I watched

01:32:25.420 --> 01:32:28.760
a video that was crunching the numbers on it.

01:32:28.939 --> 01:32:31.420
We have a pretty good advantage on them, people

01:32:31.420 --> 01:32:34.000
-wise, in terms of uniformed military personnel.

01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:36.600
Their training is also not good. Yeah, but you

01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:39.520
don't have any losses that we would take. Well,

01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:42.020
yeah, we'd lose a lot of people. It'd be like

01:32:42.020 --> 01:32:44.300
World War II losses. Like, more than World War

01:32:44.300 --> 01:32:49.310
II. More than Vietnam. For us. Yes, for us, which

01:32:49.310 --> 01:32:52.229
is a bad thing for Americans. Yeah, I fucking

01:32:52.229 --> 01:32:54.909
get that. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying

01:32:54.909 --> 01:32:58.909
we'd win that war, but it would come at the cost

01:32:58.909 --> 01:33:02.960
of everybody looks at us like Russia now. Like,

01:33:03.020 --> 01:33:06.880
we're the dicks now. We are the dicks. And it's

01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.000
sad to say, but when I'm watching the fucking

01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:12.039
USA versus Venezuela World Baseball Classic,

01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:13.899
I'm sitting there and like, yes, I understand

01:33:13.899 --> 01:33:15.520
that their president was a douchebag and how

01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:17.239
the majority of the people celebrated the fact

01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:18.979
that he was gone, but we also had our own political

01:33:18.979 --> 01:33:21.159
agenda for reasons of removing him. Blah, blah,

01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:26.159
blah, blah, blah. I'm so happy that America lost

01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:30.220
that World Baseball Classic. Oh, that's... Like

01:33:30.220 --> 01:33:34.300
we, no, we just didn't crash out on you right

01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:36.699
now. We didn't deserve to win it. We were the

01:33:36.699 --> 01:33:39.680
only team that didn't take it seriously. We thought

01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:44.640
I'm not that unpatriotic. Look, we thought, look,

01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:47.439
like I would have been happy if they won, but

01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:49.079
we didn't deserve to win is what I'm saying.

01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:50.899
I know. Do you see what we're doing to Cuba now?

01:33:51.630 --> 01:33:53.810
What the fuck are we doing to Cuba? Oh, we cut

01:33:53.810 --> 01:33:57.170
off the power supply for the entire island and

01:33:57.170 --> 01:33:59.930
we're just starving them out until they decide

01:33:59.930 --> 01:34:01.909
to become part of America and give up socialism.

01:34:05.390 --> 01:34:11.390
Oh my god. Trump goes, I'd be an honor to be

01:34:11.390 --> 01:34:16.329
the president that takes Cuba. That's why me

01:34:16.329 --> 01:34:19.590
and Dan have been flying flights and missions.

01:34:20.619 --> 01:34:23.720
Went to Cuba yesterday. Been in the Middle East,

01:34:23.720 --> 01:34:27.260
though. Fucking bombing Tehran. Doing dive bombs.

01:34:27.739 --> 01:34:34.140
F -22. Jesus. That's so autistic. I love it.

01:34:34.180 --> 01:34:37.640
It's autistic, though. Same autistic autismo

01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:42.079
I have when it comes to racing sims. Oh, yeah.

01:34:42.579 --> 01:34:47.579
But he's just like a loose cannon. oh yeah no

01:34:47.579 --> 01:34:50.380
no we're we just need to survive until he's out

01:34:50.380 --> 01:34:53.380
of office i think right now the rest of the world

01:34:53.380 --> 01:34:56.460
is kind of just like if we get a sane president

01:34:56.460 --> 01:35:00.579
in office that immediately backtracks all of

01:35:00.579 --> 01:35:03.399
it yeah i think we'll be all right well you know

01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:06.380
whose fault it is at this point is just the people

01:35:06.380 --> 01:35:09.520
who are not standing up to trump like fucking

01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:12.579
marco rubio fucking do you see the clown shoes

01:35:12.579 --> 01:35:16.699
memes no Oh, Trump made his entire cabinet get

01:35:16.699 --> 01:35:19.380
matching shoes. And he was guessing their shoe

01:35:19.380 --> 01:35:22.039
sizes. And so he's like, Marco, I'm going to

01:35:22.039 --> 01:35:23.979
get you like a 12 or whatever. And they didn't

01:35:23.979 --> 01:35:26.439
fit. They were fucking huge on him. But he wore

01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:28.060
them anyway because he didn't want to make Trump

01:35:28.060 --> 01:35:32.279
upset. So they were like clown shoes Rubio. And

01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:34.060
there's been all these like memes of him with

01:35:34.060 --> 01:35:39.619
huge shoes and huge suit and shit. Oh, my God.

01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:44.279
What is happening? That actually happened. Yeah,

01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:46.659
that actually happened. There was a picture of

01:35:46.659 --> 01:35:48.640
him and he was wearing his shoes like three sizes

01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:51.819
too big. I gotta look this up. Dude, this cannot

01:35:51.819 --> 01:35:55.939
fucking be real. This is not happening. No, it's

01:35:55.939 --> 01:36:00.579
actually happening. Marco Rubio shoes is the

01:36:00.579 --> 01:36:10.880
first thing. Oh my god. Oh my god, there's like

01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:14.460
two inches behind his fucking foot. What the

01:36:14.460 --> 01:36:19.119
fuck? People like that who just want to get in

01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:22.020
power and they just want, you know, it's just

01:36:22.020 --> 01:36:25.920
like a power grab. Like if I like stand up to

01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:30.819
Trump. Footloose cover. That's too fucking good.

01:36:30.979 --> 01:36:36.779
Oh my God. Trump on Rubio's boots. I don't know.

01:36:36.859 --> 01:36:39.770
They're big heels. Wait, is this the first time

01:36:39.770 --> 01:36:42.130
he's... What are these fucking boots that Marco...

01:36:42.130 --> 01:36:44.550
Those fit him and they look ridiculous. What

01:36:44.550 --> 01:36:47.630
the fuck? Trump had to be asked questions about

01:36:47.630 --> 01:36:50.329
it. He said, I don't know, they're big heels.

01:36:52.949 --> 01:36:57.029
What the fuck? Oh my god, we need to fucking...

01:36:57.029 --> 01:37:02.970
This guy's gotta get impeached. He's gotta get

01:37:02.970 --> 01:37:05.470
impeached and removed from office. This is too

01:37:05.470 --> 01:37:10.229
much. Probably, most likely in January. What's

01:37:10.229 --> 01:37:13.510
happening in January? Epstein shit? No, the midterm

01:37:13.510 --> 01:37:16.689
elections where the Democrats can take over the

01:37:16.689 --> 01:37:22.449
Congress. All right. But they still need a two

01:37:22.449 --> 01:37:26.170
-thirds vote in the Senate to remove a president,

01:37:26.270 --> 01:37:28.369
which is almost impossible because there's never

01:37:28.369 --> 01:37:32.590
two -thirds Democrat or Republican. It's usually

01:37:32.590 --> 01:37:37.829
pretty even. So you would need like... But there's

01:37:37.829 --> 01:37:42.470
been a lot of opposition. A lot of... In his

01:37:42.470 --> 01:37:44.829
own party, actually. Casey, what you're telling

01:37:44.829 --> 01:37:48.630
me is that we're fucked. Might be. You might

01:37:48.630 --> 01:37:52.890
have to go to war in Iran, but... I won't. I'm

01:37:52.890 --> 01:37:55.729
deaf. I'm a conscientious objector with the higher

01:37:55.729 --> 01:37:57.689
power I believe in. You know what I think we

01:37:57.689 --> 01:38:00.109
should do? We should just draft every Trump voter.

01:38:01.930 --> 01:38:07.470
Yeah. Like, not even joking. Okay. No, I'd be

01:38:07.470 --> 01:38:09.529
like, they voted for it, right? Like, I don't

01:38:09.529 --> 01:38:11.770
want to go to war with Iran. Why should I have

01:38:11.770 --> 01:38:14.250
to go to war with Iran? I understand your principle,

01:38:14.350 --> 01:38:16.310
but we're one country. We're in it together.

01:38:17.069 --> 01:38:20.750
I don't know. I'm not in it with these people,

01:38:20.949 --> 01:38:23.229
though. I'm not in it with them. No, but you're

01:38:23.229 --> 01:38:26.869
part of this country. Fuck! I don't know. I don't

01:38:26.869 --> 01:38:28.930
know how I feel about it, Casey. I don't fucking

01:38:28.930 --> 01:38:32.020
know. Do you think that Trump has the right to

01:38:32.020 --> 01:38:40.699
take my life away against my will? That's a tough

01:38:40.699 --> 01:38:46.220
question. My answer is I don't want him to, but

01:38:46.220 --> 01:38:49.539
at the same time, sometimes war is the only answer,

01:38:49.659 --> 01:38:51.520
especially when you have a dipshit president

01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:55.260
who started a conflict. But now we do have to

01:38:55.260 --> 01:38:58.420
stand up for ourselves, even though we fucking...

01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:01.619
We had our cake and now we're going to have to

01:39:01.619 --> 01:39:03.739
eat it too. But we have to eat it too as a fucking

01:39:03.739 --> 01:39:07.359
country. It would promote so much political division

01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:10.720
within this country for us to only draft Trump

01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:13.640
supporters. No, I'm all for it. I know you're

01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:15.659
all for it because you didn't fucking vote for

01:39:15.659 --> 01:39:19.319
Trump. If you voted for Trump and you've outspokenly

01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:21.380
hate his fucking guts since he's done all this

01:39:21.380 --> 01:39:23.939
shit, you're probably not going to be too fucking

01:39:23.939 --> 01:39:25.979
happy that you're going overseas to fight in

01:39:25.979 --> 01:39:27.939
a war that you don't want to be in. Well, there's

01:39:27.939 --> 01:39:30.439
a lot of MAGA people now that are... Like, oh,

01:39:30.539 --> 01:39:32.760
I voted for Trump three times and I'm a fucking

01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.600
idiot. Yeah. They're not supporting this war.

01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:38.239
Yeah. And you want to send them over to spill

01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:40.460
their blood. But like the people, the people

01:39:40.460 --> 01:39:43.539
that he has left on his side are like just head

01:39:43.539 --> 01:39:45.579
over heels for him still. Yeah. It's like crazy.

01:39:45.899 --> 01:39:50.760
Yeah. So he should call them to arms and tell

01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:53.899
them all to enlist in the military. But he can't

01:39:53.899 --> 01:39:55.939
do that because they're all fucking 60 year old

01:39:55.939 --> 01:39:59.659
white dudes. Yeah. well do you think baron trump

01:39:59.659 --> 01:40:02.779
should have to go to iran yeah but it's not gonna

01:40:02.779 --> 01:40:06.140
happen well why not he's uh a male he could get

01:40:06.140 --> 01:40:09.500
drafted yeah but he won't well probably not if

01:40:09.500 --> 01:40:13.380
trump yeah trump is you really think he'd allow

01:40:13.380 --> 01:40:17.760
that to happen unless he is so selfish he would

01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:21.260
send him over on purpose just to be like see

01:40:21.260 --> 01:40:26.119
he's over there yeah i well i think he should

01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:28.770
have the same You should be treated like everybody

01:40:28.770 --> 01:40:30.789
else, though. Oh, I do, too. I think that you

01:40:30.789 --> 01:40:32.189
should have the chance of being. Because, you

01:40:32.189 --> 01:40:34.630
know, I have. I just don't believe that our government

01:40:34.630 --> 01:40:37.289
is. I just don't believe that our government

01:40:37.289 --> 01:40:42.789
is. Is. They're too corrupt to allow that to

01:40:42.789 --> 01:40:44.970
happen. That sheet is going to get pulled from

01:40:44.970 --> 01:40:47.970
somewhere. His name is going to be ineligible.

01:40:48.689 --> 01:40:50.770
I literally have a cousin. He should be. I have

01:40:50.770 --> 01:40:54.350
a cousin that's turning 18 soon. I'm like. So

01:40:54.350 --> 01:40:56.310
it's concerning. Yeah, make some memories with

01:40:56.310 --> 01:41:01.670
them, Casey. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that sucks. Fuck!

01:41:03.189 --> 01:41:11.989
I'm all in. I'm all in. Call. Three bet. There

01:41:11.989 --> 01:41:19.989
you go. The turn. The river. I fucking love PokerStars

01:41:19.989 --> 01:41:23.560
VR. Yeah. Well, what do you say? You want to

01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:25.579
wrap it up? I think we should wrap it up. All

01:41:25.579 --> 01:41:29.060
right. Well, thanks for listening. All right.

01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:31.380
So how do we do this at the end if it's just

01:41:31.380 --> 01:41:36.119
us? I don't know. Probably have to like call

01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:39.659
Dan or something. No, fuck him. He's working

01:41:39.659 --> 01:41:41.920
on a hot water heater. He doesn't have his fucking

01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:46.659
priorities. More like a cold water heater. More

01:41:46.659 --> 01:41:51.220
like a cold water cooler. Fucking refrigerator.

01:41:52.619 --> 01:41:54.760
Christ. All right. Well, thanks for listening.

01:41:55.180 --> 01:42:00.340
Fuck off. As always, be kind to yourselves. And

01:42:00.340 --> 01:42:07.779
each other. We out. Fuck off again. For all we

01:42:07.779 --> 01:42:10.239
know, robots have souls. We just don't know if

01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:13.640
they do or don't. How do you know? Have you ever

01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:19.460
been a cyborg or a robot? You think we were the

01:42:19.460 --> 01:42:25.159
first ones to inhabit this planet? Fuck no. No,

01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:27.899
no, we are jumping down this fucking rabbit hole.

01:42:28.380 --> 01:42:31.020
Yes, we are. There's people out there with some

01:42:31.020 --> 01:42:35.979
really dumb thoughts. Extended episode. Where

01:42:35.979 --> 01:42:38.340
the fuck did the pyramids come from? Where the

01:42:38.340 --> 01:42:40.260
fuck did Stonehenge come from? You're telling

01:42:40.260 --> 01:42:42.960
me that they didn't die and become ghosts? Ugh,

01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:45.109
they're killing me. or kill the already born

01:42:45.109 --> 01:42:48.369
babies and sell them to the Chinese. Aliens exist

01:42:48.369 --> 01:42:52.810
as... Somewhere in China, alright, in some base...

01:42:52.810 --> 01:42:55.010
What the fuck? There are super soldiers that

01:42:55.010 --> 01:42:58.569
are at least 9 or 10 feet tall. Okay? Okay, so

01:42:58.569 --> 01:43:01.710
did they come from our planet? Then they are

01:43:01.710 --> 01:43:07.109
extraterrestrials. They are aliens. I do not

01:43:07.109 --> 01:43:31.010
negotiate with terrorists. I do not... Before

01:43:31.010 --> 01:43:34.170
my eyes, while holding their pulse, feel them

01:43:34.170 --> 01:43:37.390
die of this virus. You feel bump, bump, bump,

01:43:37.470 --> 01:43:40.649
beep! Nothing. They're fucking gone. I've seen

01:43:40.649 --> 01:43:43.229
it happen. I think that the government has...

01:43:43.859 --> 01:43:49.960
taking it to the next level with the birds they

01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:52.420
know what birds are going to cross paths with

01:43:52.420 --> 01:43:54.699
you that you are going to be able to raise and

01:43:54.699 --> 01:43:57.060
they are gonna make them so fucking real they're

01:43:57.060 --> 01:43:59.020
gonna sink money into them because they know

01:43:59.020 --> 01:44:01.579
that if you put that motherfucker in a cage they're

01:44:01.579 --> 01:44:03.159
gonna be able to convince you that thing is fucking

01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:05.060
real you can cut it open you're gonna see blood

01:44:05.060 --> 01:44:11.930
guts no sir Which, by the way, big brother, is

01:44:11.930 --> 01:44:52.359
the Overlord. We're over! Soros is an actual

01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:55.539
Nazi collaborator, okay? I'm not fucking lying.

01:44:55.739 --> 01:44:58.880
It's fucking real, okay? Look it up. Look it

01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:01.819
up. He says that he was doing this shit. George

01:45:01.819 --> 01:45:03.800
Soros actually worked with the fucking Nazis

01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.479
during the Holocaust. He says that he was doing

01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:08.720
it just to survive, but he fucking loved it.

01:45:08.819 --> 01:45:10.920
He was having a great fucking time doing this

01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:33.539
shit. George Soros is the fucking devil! George

01:45:33.539 --> 01:45:33.920
Soros!