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Welcome to Untitled Podcast.

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Untitled Podcast, everybody.

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67.

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67.

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Tyler and your special guest, Gwinsky.

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Hello, sir.

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Hello, gentlemen.

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Thanks for coming on.

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Oh, absolutely.

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And also our lawyer.

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We got a lot of issues for you.

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I see, I see.

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How much do you know about copyright law?

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Absolutely nothing.

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So, tell us what kind of law you practice.

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Alright, first of all, as with any lawyer listening to this, I would say I'm not providing any specific legal advice to any person, circumstances, all for discussion, for entertainment purposes.

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Yes, yes.

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This is all hypothetical.

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Hypothetical.

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I don't want you guys getting arrested talking about my lawyer said I could do this or that.

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This is in Minecraft.

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What if I give you like $5 to represent?

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Nope.

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You're watching too much TV.

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Alright, so to answer your question, I primarily practice criminal defense.

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So criminal law, a little bit of a landlord tenant, some civil stuff here and there.

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Oh, nice.

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Some family stuff here and there.

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So for like criminal court, is that just like the generalized, like you got arrested type thing?

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A public defender?

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No, I'm not a public defender in the sense that I don't work for like a government agency that is called the public defender's office, but we're pretty much on the same team.

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The public defender is a defense attorney that works for the government.

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The defense attorney is a defense attorney who works for a private firm or organization or something like that.

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So you guys are like defense, right? Not offense?

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Yes, unless we have to throw somebody else under the bus and then we're kind of offense too.

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So would you rather be like a lawyer for a defendant or a plaintiff?

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What do you prefer? Or is it just like case to case type thing?

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So everybody's entitled to be competently defended on the legal end.

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But at the same time, that doesn't mean everybody's a good person. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. So I was like watching these, all these like Nick, the Nick Cruz trial recently and like the lawyers who had to defend him.

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I was wondering like, how do you represent someone, you know, who is guilty and it's morally wrong to like, they did something that's really morally wrong.

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Like, how do you defend them? How do you justify it?

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So you're asking if like I believe or like I have information that like substantially proves that they did what they did.

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No, how do you like morally like how you morally deal with that? Like defending Nick Cruz.

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So I, I take the the bigger picture approach, right?

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We live in the United States of America, where we have a very specific set of rights that are guaranteed to all of us, all citizens and visitors and anybody who may step or interact with our land.

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And it is not actually my job to prove that this person did it or really to prove that this person didn't do it.

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My job is to put the prosecution up to their burden of proof to to make sure the prosecution is doing their job of not only like substance or subsidously proving that they did it, but also proving that they followed the appropriate procedure to prove that they did it and that everybody's rights were protected and everybody

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like basically that their proceedings were kosher. And if at the end of the day, like if I can poke holes in their story or, you know, get a jury to come back with a not guilty verdict, I don't see that necessarily as I'm like letting them offer.

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You're just trying to prove the truth.

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I mean, not even I'm just trying to make sure that the prosecution is doing their job of proving that my client did it.

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So again, we're all entitled to rights and I'm just protecting the rights of everyone.

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I mean, you guys know as much as I do, anybody can be accused at any time of doing anything.

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Right. But how do you think those those lawyers feel that represented Cruz that he got, he didn't get the death penalty, got life in prison.

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Which one was that? Was that the, which school shooter was that? Or is that just like a Florida Parkland?

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Oh, yeah, I believe he he ended the life of 17 students or like 16 students when I dealt with something like that.

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Yeah.

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So I think the lawyers were doing their job and I think they were really upholding what they they stand for by protecting his rights just like anybody else.

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It's easy. It's easy to look at that situation and just go like he should be punished immediately, put him to death.

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You know, we have video footage, we have so many witnesses. But again, if we start down that rabbit hole, when do you stop?

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When do you stop? And are we going to turn back into like French Revolution and like take him to the guillotine?

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And I think it's those those those individuals like the lawyers who represented Cruz that keep like the threads of the the legal system we created here in the United States together and keep it from from falling into disrepair.

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It's a good answer.

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Can you actually like as a lawyer, like if a guy comes to you and like it's like like a crime that you're just like, I'm not going to like can you like deny people if they want to use your services?

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Yes. That's one of the benefits we have on the private end is that we don't have to take any one specific client.

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I don't know how that works in the public defender's end, where like if the government is being appointed to represent them, they might not have that type of flexibility to deny or to like reject a certain amount of cases.

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But on the private end, we absolutely can.

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How come the government appointed like 10 lawyers for Nicholas Cruz? Don't they only usually get one?

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So if you're taking something to trial, especially something that high risk, you typically will have a defense team, even if every lawyer is not sitting there next to him.

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There's a lot that are like consulted based off of their specialty, the type of evidence that are of all the amount of witnesses who need to be examined or cross examined.

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So they're it's pretty normal to have a pretty extensive defense team with that high level.

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Yeah, I mean, like it's just like the whole like legal aspect of things has always been like interesting to me with that, because like there's so much that goes into it that you don't even like think about as just like a normal person.

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Like there's so many like different angles that you can do things like from just like cases that I've seen and stuff like I have some of these laws that like are like put in there and like some of like the like different ways.

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I'm like, I never in a million years would I ever be like penal code like fucking 3356 or something states this like do you guys like memorize that or do you have to go through it like and like kind of like go back and like refresh type things or do you have like a general idea of where things are or is it just like all like memorize like the laws and stuff?

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So that's a I think that's really a two sided question here.

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One on the legal end.

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I would be lying if I said I know every law that's out there. Yeah, I don't. It's impossible to between federal law, state law, local ordinances, each town, each municipality can enact local ordinances.

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It's impossible for me to know every single law plus they change every legislative sessions, right?

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But the important thing to know how to do is be able to like research and defend those laws and just kind of have a general understanding of what the procedure is of how to handle each individual case with the burden of proof is how to do the legal research on it.

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And if I get a like a criminal charge that I've never like seen before, which did happen to me with some of the hunting laws in New York, you know, I didn't grow up a hunter.

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I really wasn't familiar with that world. But the important thing to like remain confident on a case is to be able to do that research and to be able to recognize like how much I don't know and, you know, sit down and take a night to really research the case law, see what other people did.

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So I think that's typically what most attorneys will do with new cases. Now, after you've been doing something for a while, like if you like choose hunting law as your area of practice.

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I'm sure you know you could walk into court and you know be able to rattle off statutes same thing with like traffic tickets and you know speeding tickets but you can still defend things you haven't defended before, as long as you are able to apply that that like skill of research and that skill of defense to that new charge.

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So the other end of that question is, if the very lawyers, cops and prosecution don't know how many laws are out there and like what's essentially the legislators are telling the people that they have to do it that they can't do.

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It's a common person to know what conduct is prohibited, what actions are prohibited. Right, that's what I was thinking about. Like, there's all these fucking laws, and somebody just, you know, can get charged with a misdemeanor or felony, who's not knowing that something was illegal.

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Yeah, because there's like the weird like laws that still haven't been taken out but like aren't really enforced like you can't like eat pie on like Tuesday, laws that contradict themselves.

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Yeah, there's there's quite a bit of that especially in some of the like like southern western states, there's a lot of that old law that's just not enforced but still on the books.

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I don't know if you guys know but like in New York you can actually go to jail for speeding.

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Isn't it like felony speed that you get it like if it's like over double the speed limit or something.

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So, not even you can spend time in jail for going one mile per hour. Yeah, you can get a few days in jail. That's like the max imprisonment, or time right back sentence.

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It's extreme, and we don't I don't know of any cases in my years of practice and I've ever seen anybody go to jail for speeds that low.

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But it's still in the books, technically, it's just not used.

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Do you think they do that kind of like a, like they have like for specific circumstances like they couldn't get them on something else. So they got them on like speeding or something, because like how Al Capone, obviously, or allegedly did like all those crimes but he got caught

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on tax evasion. Is it like one of those type of things where they have kind of like catches for for different other things because you couldn't get them on one thing you got them on another thing type thing.

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Yeah, I agree. And I think that's where what we call is pretext stops. If you guys haven't heard of it. That's pretty much when, like you're pulled over for like rolling through a stoplight or like excessive speed something of the sort, but the cop is actually wanting to investigate

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you for like a DUI or if you're coming from a known drug area or something of the sort, you know you're driving the lowered Honda Civic 2002 rattling through the neighborhood and he just suspects you're doing something else, but that alone is improbable cause they'll pull you over for a pretext stop, which will give him probable cause.

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So you going one over the speed limit, you can still be pulled over for. And if you could be arrested for it, that means that you can be searched incident to arrest. So that just gives the government different avenues to further their investigations. And, you know, they're not really after you for the thing that you did, you know, going

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over the speed limit. So, you know, don't they need a reason to search your car other than like running a stop sign. Searching your car is a little different than searching your person incident to arrest.

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They can search not only you, but anything that was within like an arm's reach of you. They couldn't go through your whole house necessarily, but they can search like the table and your bag that you were sitting there and your bag sitting under the under the chair. So if they find something on your person, no incident to arrest that might trigger some more probable cause.

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So like if I got arrested for going one over the speed limit, like we were talking about, and then they found like a crack pipe on me, then they could search my entire car type thing. Exactly. Exactly. And one of the things I see in these like videos that come across YouTube, do the kids still watch YouTube? Yeah.

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Yeah, whatever it is now. My brother, my brother's 10 years younger than me. So he's like 16. So I kind of kind of got like a finger on the pulse with that. They still watch YouTube apparently.

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Although they're way too many ads for me, but that's another story. So a lot of these videos I see are like people are genuinely mistaken that police don't have a right to order them out of their car. And the Supreme Court has held that for officer safety purposes, if you are engaged in a lawful interaction with law enforcement, whether it be that you're being detained for a traffic violation, or they're investigating like a suspicion person or something.

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Suspicion person or a trespassing or something of the sort, they can order you out of the car. That doesn't necessarily mean you're under arrest. But that means that they are furthering the interaction of having you step out, step to the side of the road. And if you're being investigated for a crime, you can still be put in handcuffs under a detention for officer safety without being under arrest.

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But if you feel like you're being wrongly arrested though, your place to have that battle is not on the street. That's in the courtroom.

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Those are sovereign citizens that say I'm not part of the United States government. So I don't follow the laws.

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Is there actually like a thing for sovereign citizens? Or are you like actually...

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No, they just made that up themselves.

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Yeah, because I feel like that would be stupid.

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They really did. If you are physically present in the jurisdiction, you're subject to the jurisdiction. Absent some sort of diplomatic immunity or those special cases.

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The Native Americans.

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Native Americans, I'm not too familiar with tribal law. But my understanding is that if they still leave the reserves, they are still subjects to state law as if any other person. Don't quote me on that. I'm not too familiar with tribal law.

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Is there actually different laws on reservations and stuff?

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They get some flexibility to create some of their own laws. They have their own judicial systems, their own police officers. Some of them even have their own prisons and jails.

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This is like getting off topic. But is a reservation not considered America? Or is it considered like its own sovereign type place?

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So, America is a land of dual sovereignty. So, in addition to the federal government, that kind of like is this big overarching umbrella. Like each spoke with that umbrella is what we call the 50 states plus the territories and reservations and such.

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So, the laws of the reservation kind of run parallel and act as if it were a state government. So, it just recognizes that they have their own, like basically their own municipal authority.

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But it goes even further than that because then the village will have their authority. You know, towns have their authority. Cities have their authority to further enact laws, to further enforce laws. But they still enter to this one big arching body is the federal government.

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Is there anything above our federal government? Is there like, this is completely out of my stratosphere. Is there like a global law at all? Or is it only country to country?

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International law.

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Like international law? Like is that like a big like, is there like a thing that's like past the federal court that has to go to international court type things?

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Sure. So, when it comes to just inherent authority, it stops at the federal government. Like the Supreme Court often quotes that like they say what the law is and like they set the law of the land.

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But the United States has chosen to subscribe to several treaties around the world with several different countries, including the UN. So, by voluntary participation, some of those will end up in international law or maritime law is another big one. But that's by voluntary subscription.

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So, I wanted to ask you about the Alec Baldwin case we were talking about. Did you see, do you know anything about that case?

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So, if you refresh my memory, that was the prop gun that had a real bullet in it and he shot towards the camera and ended up ending the life of that gentleman.

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Yes. So, the armorer on set got just got convicted guilty for man involuntary manslaughter. Okay. And Alec Baldwin is being charged with involuntary manslaughter. His trial is this summer.

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But do you think that that's right that they charged him with that? I mean, it was it was like an accident, I think. So.

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So, that's what manslaughter is, I thought, was like an accidental killing of somebody else. I guess. But should you should you pay for that in prison? Just for like an accident that somebody else did?

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So, I'm going to have to take Tyler's side on this one and I want to dissect like the individual actions that took place leading up to the demise of that particular gentleman.

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So, first of all, to be convicted of a killing, not necessarily like a murder, but to be convicted of a killing, whether it's involuntary, voluntary, you know, criminal negligent homicide, you don't necessarily need the intent to kill.

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And you actually don't even need the intent to cause harm. But if you were found to have acted in a negligent manner or a grossly negligent or reckless manner that led to somebody's death, you can still be charged and convicted of a killing.

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In the case of Alec Baldwin, any firearm owner knows to treat every firearm, gun, shotgun, long gun, whatever it is, to treat it as if it was loaded at all times.

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Just because it's a prop on a set doesn't necessarily excuse him from that responsibility or duty of care to the people around him to make sure that that weapon is clear before firing it. Honestly, if you're using a real gun on set and you pick up a gun and you feel like it's real or you know it to be a real gun, you should clear it every time you lose sight of it.

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Alec Baldwin is not necessarily a gun expert or even a gun owner.

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You don't have to be a gun expert.

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If you're using a firearm, you're using a firearm, so you should do basic firearm safety with a firearm. Also, I remember I was watching like a thing on it.

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All actors are in the Hollywood law or whatever thing. They are told to clear the chamber, make sure that there's nothing in the chamber. They also did the thing where they shouldn't have live rounds on set, which is a thing that they shouldn't have on set.

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But you're supposed to check it, make sure that if it is a blank gun that you're using to make sure that it's a blank in there and it's not an actual bullet, then you can re-rack it or put it back in like if it's a six shooter kind of thing.

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And then make sure that you're doing it. And then also don't point it at real people. If you're getting a panning shot type thing, don't point it at somebody. The whole thing with gun safety is never point a gun at something you're not willing to destroy type thing.

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That was the first thing that I was taught when I was doing gun safety. If you have a gun, even if you think it's unloaded, never point a gun at something you're not willing to destroy.

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And that's why gun stores have the target at the top that's like a bulletproof plate or something. If you're looking to try to look down the sights, they say, look over at this corner and then you can do that.

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It's just so you're not pointing at anybody else or anything. So I still think it falls on Alec Baldwin because he failed to inspect the firearm.

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I think so too. I have to agree with that. And again, even if he had used that gun 50 times before, prudent duty of care would dictate that he cleared it every time.

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Okay, but say...

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No, go ahead.

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I don't want to excuse the prop manager either because nothing says that only one person has to be at fault. Because if we evaluate the circumstances that led to this death and multiple bad actors or multiple reckless actors are found, each one of them should be held liable individually for their role in the ultimate act that leads up to the criminal charge.

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In the case of the prop manager, if he knew that gun was supposed to be pointed at a person, and if he knew that blank was supposed to be in there, he put a live round in there, then that absolutely can also arise to criminal conduct. And he could be held, and honestly, he could even be held civilly by the family of that gentleman.

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Oh, the armor. Yeah, she was like a 24 year old girl that was convicted, the one that's supposed to be responsible for handling all the guns on set.

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Yeah.

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But say you were Alec Baldwin's lawyer, right? And you had to defend him. How would you defend him?

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That's a tricky one. Honestly, we switch sides all the time.

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Now you've got to switch sides.

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Okay, so Alec Baldwin had no intention of hurting anybody. He had no intention of discharging a live round towards anything or anyone.

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That's what I'm saying.

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He was led to believe, by the very nature of his job, that he was using a prop on a set, where he really could be led to believe that this was a safe space, where everybody knew what they were supposed to do.

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Everybody knew that there was no live rounds allowed on set, or that this particular scene did not take the need of a live round. And when he picked up that gun, it would have been properly handled by the prop manager and properly supervised and properly ensured that it was put in a ready position for that scene.

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And that ready position would not be a live round, would be a blank, or would be a dry fire, something of the sort.

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If the circumstances were that six blanks were to be discharged, and he discharged five blanks successfully, but there was one live round sitting in the bottom of that chamber, we would not even be having this conversation.

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You would not even think about bringing criminal charges against him, because it would be so reasonable for him to believe that that six one would have been a blank, if that five were blanks as well.

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But imagine Alec practiced this scene over and over again, and every time he fired that gun was a blank.

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It is completely reasonable, and it is not a deviation of the standard of care for him to believe that that bullet was a blank.

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Damn, you got me. God damn, you're convincing.

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So you're trying to put it on the armor or prop manager.

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That's not your client. You can throw it on somebody else.

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But what if you represented the armor? I think that would be hard.

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I don't know how you defend that one.

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Jesus didn't know. It would honestly just be the other side of that, that it was his responsibility.

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That's what they were saying. That's what I was watching the trial. They were trying to basically pin it on the prop manager and Alec Baldwin.

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Alec Baldwin doesn't know how to do gun safety right. Alec Baldwin never uses the right procedure when he's taking out guns and stuff.

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So entertain me for a second. That's hypothetical.

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Let's say that this gentleman didn't die by gunfire, and let's say he got run over by a car.

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It was a woman.

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Oh, I'm sorry. This lady.

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This lady didn't die by a bullet and instead got run over by a car and ended up dying.

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Would you blame the person who put the tires on the car? Would you blame the person behind the wheel?

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Even if they had a driver's license or not?

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Yeah, you blame the person behind the wheel. It's the person. That's the same thing I have with Alec Baldwin.

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But a car is not a deadly weapon. A gun is a deadly weapon.

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A car can be a deadly weapon.

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It can be, but that's not its main purpose. That's not what it's designed for.

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Anything capable of causing death or serious bodily injuries is a deadly weapon, regardless of its intent.

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Like a hammer?

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Stole the words right out of my mouth. Stole the words right out of my mouth.

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A hammer, a simple tool of construction. Everybody has them laying around.

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I'm sure if you go down to Mechanicville, Saratoga, there's going to be a hammer in every truck and every SUV.

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But the second you pick that up with the intent to cause harm or that you do actually take a car's harm, that's a deadly weapon in your hand.

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Even if it's to defend yourself, you're still defending yourself with a deadly weapon.

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So a car is absolutely a deadly weapon.

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And I know it's scary to think about that we let 16-year-olds get behind the wheels of these things and go 80 miles per hour down the thruway or down the interstate.

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And a 2,000-pound fucking missile.

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But again, that goes with the responsibility of the driver.

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Right. But if it was like Toyota and they didn't put brakes in the car, then I could sue Toyota, right?

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I think you'd find out you didn't have brakes in your car.

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Wait a second!

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Womp womp.

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It's an unfortunate circumstance, regardless. Regardless of an unfortunate circumstance.

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But I think if you let this go unprosecuted, you run a very dangerous precedent of just saying, whoopsie, I didn't know.

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Somebody's got to go to prison.

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I don't know if it's going to be prison, but he might get really fined for that.

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It might be a period of probation, it might be gun safety classes, it might be some restitution to the person's family.

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I don't know, maybe it's the guy who made the bullets fall.

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I mean, we tried that already.

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We tried suing Smith and Weston and we tried suing Glock already.

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Oh, yeah.

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We've been there.

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Yeah, didn't they sue Ruger during the school shooting?

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I think it was Sandy Hook.

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And they won, I thought.

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I'm not familiar with that case.

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My understanding is I thought they did reach a disposition.

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I don't think that they won in the sense of they won a jury trial, but I'm not familiar with that case.

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Like they won a settlement type thing?

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We've got to ask you about Alex Jones and his Sandy Hook comments.

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Do you guys have a Jamie?

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I'm Jamie.

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He's a Jamie?

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Jamie?

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Can we look up that Ruger lawsuit, what happened?

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It was either Ruger.

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What was it?

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It was one of the Sandy Hook family sues gun company.

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Was it Remington?

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It might have been Remington.

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I know it was a gun company.

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Sandy Hook family settled for $73 million with gun maker Remington.

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Remington.

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Remington, okay.

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So a settlement is a very important tool in the civil end.

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And honestly, plea deals are pretty important in the criminal end too.

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But in the civil end, that is Remington saying, here's some money.

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I don't want any part of this.

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You guys are asking for this amount to prove like fault or liability instead of going through the litigation process and setting it in some sort of like judicial history.

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Like precedent?

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Like going through the appeals process, precedent that other people can use to sue them, they just said, here's some money, go away, please.

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And it's pretty smart on their end, on their attorney's end, because like you don't open that up for the rest of the world to sue the gun company every time they have a loved one killed by a gun.

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Every time, you know, an accidental discharge of a child to turn around and sue the gun company because that should have been trial proof.

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Yeah, you can't sue the gun maker every time somebody dies from a gun.

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That's what they're going to try.

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They're going to try.

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I don't know what the grounds.

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You can't sue the car maker every time somebody dies in a car accident.

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I agree.

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But if that car is found to be deficient, what was that one Ford that had the gas tank in the trunk and kept exploding every time it got ruined?

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Fiesta?

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We were talking about how Toyota, like the brake was failing, but Dan said that didn't actually exist back in like 2010.

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Remember that Toyota brake pedal incident?

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Interesting.

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I'm not familiar with that.

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When Dan gets here, we'll let him speak to that one.

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So do you think it was, do you think Alex Jones had the freedom of speech to make those comments about Sandy Hook?

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Okay, so transitioning into the Alex Jones thing, could you refresh my memory of...

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He was getting sued by the Sandy Hook families because they said he made derogatory comments or like defamation about his, their children being crisis actors and Sandy Hook not being real.

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But then he later apologized for it and said he was wrong.

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Before the lawsuit, he apologized.

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Okay, gotcha.

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I thought that that might be an important thing for that too.

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Okay, so as with all rights in this great United States, they can be limited.

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We like to use the term God-given rights, but those who give can take away.

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So it's really not a God-given right if the government can take away.

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It's a government-given right.

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It might be under the shroud that all humans are entitled or like all Americans are entitled to this, that or whatever.

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But we in some way, shape or form limit almost every right we have.

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Even alcohol, which is a one of the only constitutionally protected vices.

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Really?

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By the way.

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Yeah, it is.

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I never knew that like no other vice is mentioned in the constitution.

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Unless you're just addicted to something like letters to the post office or something.

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Because they made an amendment, right?

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That says alcohol is legal.

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There were two amendments.

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Yeah, the one banning alcohol and one reversing the ban on alcohol.

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So the beer in your hand is a constitutionally protected right?

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I don't have any beer by the way.

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Not right now.

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However, the government is still allowed to put limits on it.

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When you can drink it, where you can drink it, how much you can drink.

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Can you drink it in public?

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Can you drink it in private?

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Who can sell it?

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Is it a manufacturer versus distributor?

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Well, there's no limit on how much you can drink.

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Just how much you can handle.

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Right?

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So the freedom of speech is the same way.

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The government has an interest, has a legitimate interest in limiting what you can say, when you can say it, how you can say it.

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You're allowed to be angry, but you are not allowed to shout at grandma walking down the street at the top of your lungs, getting in her face, spitting in her face as she's just trying to get back to the home.

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That's harassment.

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That might even be considered an assault if you get too close to her, if you touch her.

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Yeah, but if I say a conspiracy theory like we do on this podcast, and even if I'm not serious about it, can somebody still sue me for defamation?

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Say I'm saying like a 9-11.

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Does that mean we can get sued by the 9-11 victim families for defamation?

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I'm getting there.

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I'm getting there.

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Bear with me a second.

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So my point with the limitation of rights is that it's not uncommon and it's actually very, very, very common to limit rights.

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One of the limitations that we have on the freedom of speech is that you cannot allege or you cannot purport as fact things that you know to be untrue or things that you recklessly know to be untrue.

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And if those statements of fact lead to the harm or detriment or there are some even like statutory damages where like the law says just because you did it, the plaintiff doesn't even necessarily have to allege that there were damage like sexual misconduct, for example, that that person will be entitled to damages because of the statements that you allege.

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That you knew or you recklessly knew were false.

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But Alex Jones did believe that Sandy Hook was a...

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It doesn't matter what he believes, it matters what it is.

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Wow.

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Are we going to feed into any paranoid schizophrenic and say...

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Well, what if Sandy Hook was a conspiracy?

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Jesus Christ.

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If it is proven.

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You can't prove that of us.

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He went much further than saying Sandy Hook was a conspiracy though, right? Because he accused that people's children were this, people's children were faking it, having false trauma responses or what have you.

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And he faced, or I'm sorry, the families faced a lot of scrutiny and a lot of harassment from his followers and from members of the online community and the keyboard warriors for or because of the statements that he made.

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And whether he was just trying to do it for views or whether he actually believed that.

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He did believe it, yeah.

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It doesn't matter. And he's not here to speak for what he believed or what he didn't believe.

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So, you know, with that in mind, the fact is, is that they were false.

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And they led to damages.

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So I got a question about this.

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How can I word this? If you are mentally deficient, like actively have Down syndrome or something like that.

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Down syndrome does not necessarily mean mentally deficient. Go ahead.

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But like if you're like, if you're like full on like mentally disabled type thing.

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Okay. Like unable to handle your own business.

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Yeah.

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And you start spouting out weird conspiracies and stuff. Are you held to the same standard as a person?

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Right?

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Sure. So you're not necessarily absolved from responsibility, but there are different mechanisms in the law to handle that.

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Now, if his defense was a paranoid delusion, that's a lot different than at the time.

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I believe that now I'm sorry that that caused you damage and I recognize what I did was wrong.

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Those are two very different circumstances.

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But if you are found to to not understand the nature and consequences of your actions or if you're found not to be able to like participate in your own defense.

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So what we would traditionally like most TV shows would call call like not guilty by like plea of insanity or not guilty by reasons of a mental defect.

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There's something of the sort, whatever state or jurisdiction you live in or practicing at federal or state levels.

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But that's not that's not what we're looking at here. He didn't he didn't allege a paranoid delusion.

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He didn't allege that he was.

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He did say he's kind of retarded on a podcast. I don't know if that counts.

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But Alex Jones was right.

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Alex Jones said this crazy shit before and he was right about some things like Bohemian Grove.

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So what's to stop people from proving that he wasn't right about this to what he can prove he is right.

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More than likely to reverse that judgment and he'll get that money.

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And he lost over a billion.

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Like they sued of him for everything that he had and he lost over a billion dollars.

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He hasn't paid it yet.

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I don't think but yeah he he he got he lost the case.

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If he can prove that is right.

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He can he can make a motion to reopen set aside the judgment and go back to court.

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There's a mechanism for that. But until he can prove that he's right he's going to be responsible for that.

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What if you're sued and like what if you're in a in a situation where you're sued for more money than you're even worth.

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Like if I was sued for like five million dollars like I don't have five million dollars in assets or anything.

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What would happen when I just go to jail for that or would I declare bankruptcy.

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Yeah. So and.

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Well this is kind of a fallacy.

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We say in the United States we don't have debtors prison but you can go to jail for money.

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But it's basically that there's some steps in between right because if the court orders you to pay or if the court orders you to dissolve an asset or or pay child support and you still don't do that then you can go to court or I'm sorry you can go to jail for disobeying that court order of not being able to pay.

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So it's putting one step in between debtors prison.

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But technically we don't have debtors prison in the United States.

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But we do have is bankruptcy and the bankruptcy courts are available to basically absolve you from your financial liabilities except for student loans.

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Student loans are not discharged from bankruptcy.

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But I was all of you from some of your financial liabilities whether it be because of a judgment because of a lawsuit.

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In turn they kind of like if you do have like an estate houses whatever like an administrator will be appointed to dissolve those and see to that that they're they're basically liquidated to pay some of those liabilities or if you just don't because you're just a regular person and you know you have a car and an apartment or whatever.

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They basically just tank your credit score.

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What if you like a homeless person you get sued for like a five million dollars and years ordered to pay five million dollars.

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What are they going to do for them. They they they they don't have any assets to liquidate they don't have anything.

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It's just like they're just a random homeless guy.

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Sure. So there's this term called being judgment proof being judgment proof is pretty much the condition where no matter how much a judgment is against you the consequences doesn't change because you just cannot meet those liabilities.

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Like homeless people are literally nothing to lose exactly nothing to lose homeless people are typically judgment proof because if you sue them one they probably won't appear in court.

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There's nowhere to serve them.

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You know it's just a nightmare to track down and sue a homeless person.

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And in addition if even if you get a judgment whether by default or through litigation against them what are you going to take from them. You know if they already have nothing you really can't take from anything.

370
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,800
We don't have indentured servitude we don't have slavery. You know we can't force them to be a slave.

371
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,800
So you know.

372
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,800
So there's some people that like you just can't sue because it's just not going to do anything.

373
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,800
Yeah I mean you can you have the right to sue them.

374
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,800
It's just not going to do anything.

375
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:55,800
And remember now unless you're suing them yourself you're also going to spend quite a bit of money on my court fees attorneys fees and you know taking the time out of your day to travel go to court and draft documents between yourself.

376
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,800
So it might just be to make a point that you want to sue this person but it's not going to really happen.

377
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,800
Yeah how much is that point going to cost you.

378
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,800
How far are you willing to go.

379
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,800
Would you would you think of the show Better Call Saul.

380
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,800
Actually I don't want to I want to touch on that for a second.

381
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,800
How far are you willing to go. That's a conversation I have with my clients fairly often.

382
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,800
How far are you willing to go to prove a point or to to basically to make a statement.

383
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:35,800
And if you spend twenty thousand dollars in legal fees and otherwise discovery costs witness fees to win a case that's worth five thousand.

384
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,800
You might as well just not.

385
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,800
Yeah it only makes sense.

386
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:48,800
So that is an actual like balancing test that we perform every day on how far we do want to take litigation.

387
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Better Call Saul I watched one episode I got bored and I left.

388
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,800
Probably because like you like work.

389
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,800
It's like you're at work right.

390
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Same reason I don't watch medical shows.

391
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,800
Yeah yeah I can't watch medical shows.

392
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,800
Exactly and I respect the actors I respect the production.

393
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,800
I hear it's very good.

394
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,800
I hear a lot of people enjoy it.

395
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,800
It started off really slow.

396
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,800
I'm not hating on the show by any means but it just wasn't for me.

397
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,800
So there any TV shows that you watched that do legal work very well.

398
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:29,800
Like it's portrayed very well or most of them just astronomically like not anywhere close.

399
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:40,800
So Law and Order is actually fairly accurate most of the time and I don't know if that's just because I'm biased because it's set in New York.

400
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:54,800
But I have found that over the years watching Law and Order they typically do do a lot of research and a lot of accuracy is they portray a lot of accuracy is in the legal process.

401
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,800
The one thing I would say is that they kind of downplay how much time every individual step takes.

402
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,800
But that's also because they only have 30 minutes for an episode or something.

403
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,800
Yeah.

404
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:15,800
So you know a lot of the times especially in New York criminal law like these things are happening like 30 days apart or two weeks apart.

405
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:23,800
And like you might show up to court go like hey hey judge you know we're still in conference we need 30 more days.

406
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,800
So even like a misdemeanor charge.

407
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Yeah.

408
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,800
What's up.

409
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,800
Are you kidding me.

410
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,800
Are you kidding me.

411
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,800
What's going on dude.

412
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,800
How you doing.

413
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,800
Not too bad.

414
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,800
Don't let me interrupt.

415
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,800
Welcome Dan to the podcast.

416
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,800
Is Jeff coming.

417
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,800
No he's not coming actually he's got the FDA coming to his facility tomorrow so he's got to get.

418
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,800
Oh shit.

419
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,800
Oh shit.

420
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,800
That's worse than the CIA.

421
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,800
Who's Jeff.

422
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,800
That's my buddy who's here on another episode friend of the podcast fan.

423
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800
He's listening to all the all the episodes.

424
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,800
I don't I don't mean to interrupt.

425
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:03,800
I love the blanket.

426
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,800
It's a heated blanket.

427
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,800
Did you bring it.

428
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,800
It was four degrees in here.

429
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,800
Yeah.

430
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,800
So it's not just me.

431
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,800
I don't get cold.

432
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800
The furnace is off.

433
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,800
Oh OK.

434
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,800
It has to be because it's too loud over the podcast.

435
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,800
Oh right right.

436
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Yeah.

437
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,800
I think I'm just shivering sometimes.

438
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,800
Sorry I didn't mean to cut you off it sounded like you were talking about something really interesting.

439
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,800
No you're good.

440
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,800
Yeah I think I might sit over here though just so I can.

441
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,800
Oh shit.

442
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,800
Without my neck turned.

443
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,800
Tyler tell us about Dan Schneider and Drakeville.

444
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,800
Yeah so he watched the documentary Quiet On Set.

445
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,800
It's on HBO Max if anybody wants to watch it.

446
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:55,800
It was staggering the the amount of shit that happened at Nickelodeon back in the 90s like staggering.

447
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,800
Yeah.

448
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,800
Was that bad.

449
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:08,800
I was like we've seen some some bad things in our line of work you know and like I was still shocked by some of the things that I heard that they did to these kids back then.

450
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,800
Damn.

451
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:23,800
Like I was like we watched it like we had a pretty light day on Tuesday so we all sat down and like watched it and all four of us like all four of us were ex ex ex green ambulance people.

452
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:35,800
And and we all were like Jesus Christ like Cruz to Cruz was like Jesus Christ and I'm like this guy was saying Jesus.

453
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,800
This is bad.

454
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:49,800
Like the first like two episodes it kind of like went over all that like you know the show back like all that when it was going on and they kind of show all that the show all that.

455
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:50,800
Yeah.

456
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:51,800
It's a good show.

457
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,800
Yeah.

458
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,800
It kind of like was talking about like the background of like all that.

459
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:11,800
Like it was like there was a lot of weird shit going on behind the scenes like the production like the producers and stuff would like ask for like back massages while they were in like round tables and stuff which is weird but it gets so much worse than that.

460
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,800
Like it just starts off with stuff like that.

461
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:26,800
And they were they were prejudiced against the the black cast members of the show like they they they limited the amount of sketches that they were in.

462
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:36,800
They limited the amount of like like kind of line reads that they got and then like they would actively make them do more like racially insensitive things towards their own group of people.

463
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:46,800
They fired them after like two seasons like if you actually watch the show and like you like I watched like the documentary that I went back and I kind of looked at the cast.

464
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,800
By and large, the most people who got like one season or less like they got they got it was all people of color.

465
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,800
Every single one of them.

466
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,800
They got like two seasons.

467
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,800
Wasn't the guy from Keenan and Kel.

468
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,800
Yeah.

469
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:00,800
Yeah.

470
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,800
But if you actually look at it he was only on it for three seasons.

471
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,800
Oh really.

472
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,800
Yeah.

473
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:13,800
So like it was like like there was like racism behind the scenes and then they there's only two female writers at the point at the point that they that they did that.

474
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:28,800
And the two female writers were kept on getting sexually harassed by the producers of the show and basically getting all their all their their skits and stuff shot down because like women like they literally said and like they had like a quote of it like in like the roundtable like quoting things.

475
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:38,800
Like they like there are three people that said women aren't funny we're not putting your sketch in here. Then they're like and they're like what they're like yeah women aren't funny we're not using your sketch get out of here.

476
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:39,800
Yeah.

477
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,800
But then they started showing these court cases from this guy.

478
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:53,800
Do you remember pickle boy on all that the guy who like carried around like the the the pile of pickles on a plate.

479
00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:05,800
Well, there's a guy who carried around a pile of pickles he was also a I think a I think he was an acting coach or something whatever the fuck you call it.

480
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:24,800
And there was like allegations against him and these these court records were sealed until this documentary came out and the the victim of it asks for them to be unsealed with lawyers and stuff and to like show on like the the thing like show on the documentary like the actual charges and stuff.

481
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,800
And

482
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,800
it ended up being Drake Bell, who was

483
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,800
for anybody who's listening. I normally don't do this but this is like an actual content warning because this is pretty fucked up.

484
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,800
So

485
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,800
damn content.

486
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,800
Yeah.

487
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:48,800
Like I think normally I normally don't do this but I have a I Tyler do a content warning content warning.

488
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,800
But pause right here.

489
00:51:49,800 --> 00:52:00,800
But yeah, but yeah, but the AI of content warning trigger warning trigger warning for like for sexual content disclaimer content may disturbing to some viewers do not listen if easily.

490
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:09,800
Trigger the views expressed in this show do not necessarily represent the views of untitled podcast.

491
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:31,800
You one minutes. Yeah. And, but he was sodomized. He was raped in multiple ways. He was forced to do pornographic material. He was tied up, beaten and raped for three years straight.

492
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,800
How old was he 16. He's 15. By who the producers by the producers they go to jail.

493
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,800
He went to jail for 16 months for doing that.

494
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:49,800
And like, like he went like, like Drake Bell goes way farther into detail with it than I ever like could because like it happened to him.

495
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:57,800
And like the the amount of detail that he went into and like what he like was talking about like I was like, Holy shit, like that was fucking rough.

496
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,800
Right.

497
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:13,800
Type shit. And then like they kept on they interviewed his dad too. And his dad was like, they're like, I am because they, the producer Drake Bell's dad was his manager for the longest time like Drake's manager.

498
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:20,800
And then the producer kept on getting into Drake's head to get his dad out of the picture, so then he could just take advantage of them.

499
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:29,800
And then like his dad was like they interviewed him and his dad was like, I, I just tried my best for my son and they just they took him away from me and they did all this stuff.

500
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,800
And he's like, and I'll never forgive myself for that. And like he started like crying. I'm like, this is fucking rough documentary, man.

501
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:44,800
And then like, then after like the Drake Bell stuff, then they went on to like the Dan Schneider incidents and the Dan Schneider incidents.

502
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:54,800
Like, you know, on a TV show how you're supposed to put like, you know, like the worst like thing at the end type thing, they kind of did like the worst shit in the middle.

503
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:03,800
And in the last episode, like there's like Dan Schneider, like rubbed my shoulders weird or he would do like he would do cum shot jokes and stuff.

504
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:14,800
I'm like, I'm like, you can't go from brutally being raped to I felt uncomfortable because I got my shoulders rubbed and expect the same emotional like.

505
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,800
So who was doing the sodomizing to Drake Bell?

506
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:24,800
This guy called Brian Peck. He was an acting coach for all that. And he got 16 months in prison.

507
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,800
And then once he got out, he got hired on Disney Channel to do producing for that.

508
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,800
And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? He called around to all his contacts.

509
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,800
He's like, hey, guys, I'm really I need some work. I haven't made any money in 18 months.

510
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,800
Yeah. And I'm like, dude, it was like I'm like 16 months for all that.

511
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,800
Yeah. No pun intended.

512
00:54:50,800 --> 00:55:03,800
But like 16 months for all of that shit. It's fucking like I don't understand the the the fucking levels of shit because like you you murder somebody, you get 15, like 20 years.

513
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,800
You like child rape only got you 16 months.

514
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,800
And like it was just like one of those things like where I was going to ask you about that like type thing.

515
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:21,800
Like how can something like child rape only get you 16 months but like manslaughter can get you like up to like what is manslaughter like like?

516
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,800
Can you get life for manslaughter?

517
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,800
It's like 10 years.

518
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,800
OK, so that's unfortunate.

519
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:39,800
First of all, I got this.

520
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,800
That's an understatement.

521
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,800
So now that that's out of the way.

522
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,800
So I imagine that this never went to trial.

523
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,800
They did. They had like court documents and stuff, but he didn't.

524
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:03,800
That that's the thing that he played no contest. So I don't know if that means I don't know exactly what that means.

525
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:18,800
OK, so it sounds like that that was part of some sort of like prearranged plea agreement and that's a jury was not the one or a judge was not the one who recommended that sentence is what I assume what happened.

526
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,800
I'm not familiar with the exact case. And if it was under seal, I'm sure it's just kind of coming out.

527
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,800
Yeah, but I assume something like that sounds like it was part of a plea agreement.

528
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,800
So explain to me like I'm an idiot what a plea agreement is.

529
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,800
Explain to them like you normally would.

530
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:58,800
All right. So the agreement is basically the settlement version of criminal law where your defense attorney and the prosecution, they sit down on the table or they get some sort of email chain, whatever it is, and they go, what is going to what what is the offer to not litigate this matter.

531
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:07,800
And it's usually some sort of either lesser included included charge, something with like no points on your license in New York, if it's like a speeding ticket or less points on your license.

532
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,800
But basically, what is it going to cost for you to not assert your right to go to trial.

533
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:30,800
And in the case of I forget one of the school shooters as part of his plea agreement, they took the death penalty off the table and instead gave him life in prison if he pled guilty to the to the to the murders.

534
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,800
So basically at any level of the criminal proceeding.

535
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,800
There can be a plea agreement entered into.

536
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,800
It sounds like this is California, I assume.

537
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,800
California, California. Yeah, so it sounds like the prosecutors in California did just that.

538
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,800
But it might sound harsh or improper at its face.

539
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:57,800
But remember that the prosecution represents like the people.

540
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:05,800
So like, like every, every citizen, every visitor of the state, the prosecutor also represents the victims.

541
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:18,800
And think about how damaging and harsh and traumatizing it would have been to put him in front of a jury to tell those stories, especially at his age.

542
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:28,800
I don't know when he when the outcry was and when he was 16 years old when this 1716 somewhere around there when the trials are when the trial proceedings.

543
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:38,800
So to put a 16, 17 year old, especially for the time male on the stage, they also he also wanted to remain anonymous to throughout the whole thing.

544
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,800
So I think that might have something to do with it, too.

545
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:51,800
Yeah. And it's kind of so the words run out of my mouth again, because if you are an actor in Hollywood, do you want the label as whistleblower?

546
00:58:51,800 --> 00:59:04,800
Do you want the label as like the one who cried rape, whether it happened or not? Unfortunately, you're really going to suffer consequences in your career back then for doing so.

547
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,800
So excuse me. Yeah. Nickelodeon was a ship back then.

548
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,800
It was like you don't want to give up that gig. Yeah.

549
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:17,800
You know, because he was still on Drake and Josh when this trial was going on. Right. Nuts. Right.

550
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:32,800
So if he got to keep his position there and he didn't have to go through the public scandal and facing the paparazzi and having his picture blasted all over, that could be some of the reasons why the prosecution was thinking, let's give this guy a favor.

551
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:49,800
A plea deal. He'll still be punished. You know, he'll still spend a year and some jail. But he's also protecting the pride, protecting the reputation, the image of the victims.

552
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,800
So is there a difference between no contest and like pleading guilty?

553
00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:03,800
Yeah. So no contest is basically saying, I'm not going to challenge your assertion that you think I did it.

554
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:17,800
Pleading guilty is yes, I did what you say. I did what you say I did. No contest is I'm not going to challenge what you say I did. And not guilty is no, I did not do what you say I did.

555
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,800
So what would be like a thing where you'd want to plead no contest rather than guilty?

556
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,800
Sex offense. Sex offense. So that's probably why he pled no contest rather than guilty.

557
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,800
Note taken.

558
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:40,800
Sex offense and DWIs too, because they are subsequent consequences like ending up on a registry.

559
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,800
He did have to register as a sex offender though. As part of the agreement? As part of the agreement.

560
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:54,800
Okay, all right. So it's basically like there's no admission of guilt on the record when you plead no contest.

561
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,800
Okay. If that makes sense.

562
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,800
Interesting. Because I never like...

563
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,800
Wait, he was on the registry and Disney hired him anyway?

564
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:18,800
Yeah. That like, because before 2000, I think, 11, Disney Channel did not have a discrimination or whatever the fuck, I don't know what the word for it, a policy against not hiring sex offenders.

565
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:19,800
Interesting.

566
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,800
Which is fucking another insane thing.

567
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,800
That's like...

568
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:23,800
That's something a lot of children have worked on.

569
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,800
Yeah.

570
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:32,800
So that's what my suspicion, I'm not familiar with the case, but that's my suspicions of what happened. Does that make sense?

571
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:48,800
Yeah. Because I watched that and I was like 16 months for that. It's almost like a slap in the face kind of thing being like, you fucking brutally abused a child for three years and you only got 16 months.

572
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:54,800
You got less time in jail than you did the crime to this child.

573
01:01:54,800 --> 01:02:15,800
If I can parallel back to our law and order conversation, think about how many rape victims don't outcry whatsoever, because of fear of having to be interviewed, of having to make a statement, of having to go in front of a grand jury, or having to go in front of a regular jury or a judge to tell their story.

574
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:30,800
And that may be children, that may be teenagers, and that may be grown adults who just don't want to deal with the process that comes with disclosing that sort of thing, because it is traumatic.

575
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:41,800
It's traumatic and it's forever entered in the public record, right? You can't make an anonymous accusation against someone, again, back to our constitutional rights, you have a right to confront your accuser.

576
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:54,800
So, doing something like that does give an alternate means of presenting punishment and making sure that person is held somewhat accountable without having to completely traumatize.

577
01:02:54,800 --> 01:03:12,800
And the mechanism, or the fact that that mechanism exists, kind of gives a voice for subsequent rape victims to basically come forward semi-anonymously without having to go completely public and keep it with the prosecution, keep it with the investigators, and not have to end up on tabloids and such.

578
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:31,800
Yeah, because that's the whole thing. I understand we have the rights to be able to see your accuser type thing, but for certain crimes, specifically child abuse and stuff, you don't want to even look at that person ever again type shit.

579
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:39,800
But you're forced to in order to actually get justice for what happened to you type thing. It's a double-edged sword type thing.

580
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:58,800
Right. And if you choose to go to trial, you might have to have a choice. Yeah, it's just one of those. It's just a fucked up. It's a fucked up thing, man. Like there's there's a and like it's just like those are like I watched those shows when I was a kid to like nothing was like a matter with them.

581
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:15,800
I like those like my I watched them every fucking day type shit and then you're like all this shit was going on behind the scenes. All that shit, all that you also can't blame yourself for that too. No, you were what twelve years old. How were you supposed to know? I was less than

582
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:31,800
fearful that he somehow participated. I feel like you're almost feeling guilty for watching these shows. All you did was turn on the TV. I was like six earlier that that like we created the environment that is Hollywood.

583
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:45,800
And we've known about it ever since like the Western films are popular. Yeah. And we kind of allow it to happen by not holding these people and these bad actors accountable, whether they're like so well connected that they just continuously avoid responsibility for the things that they do.

584
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:58,800
Again, back to Alec Baldwin. If you keep excusing things and keep sweeping things under the rug, then that tells other people that they can act without consequence. And that puts our future actors that puts our current child actors at risk.

585
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:10,800
Really? What was your take on Alec Baldwin? Oh, we could cover that a little earlier. I don't want to recover. No, he watched. He watches every single podcast. He had both takes on him because we made him.

586
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:32,800
I had him on my side of the it's Alec Baldwin's fault for not checking the gun. And then he had him. He's like, All right, so let's say you had to defend Alec Baldwin. And then I'm like, I don't know why he's I'm like, man, he's actually really convincing. I like you literally just agree with me. But you but you the way you argued for it. My God damn you convinced.

587
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:50,800
So my genuine opinion, though, is that he should be held responsible in some really, I'm not saying necessarily it's jail time. But I do think that he acted poorly. He made a poor decision, a reckless decision that cost somebody their life. Billion dollar lawsuit. Wow.

588
01:05:50,800 --> 01:06:13,800
I mean, how much is he worth, though? Like Alec Baldwin's got to be all decent. I probably 30 million dollars 40 million dollars or something. But I I don't need personally. I don't I don't think he has any responsibility because he's on a set of a movie. It would be like if you thought you had a fake car.

589
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:24,800
And then all of a sudden you found out the car was real and you ran somebody over and killed that guy. I thought this car. You'll love it. You'll love the beginning. All right.

590
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:50,800
So to briefly recap, I was basically saying that if you know that you're handling a real gun, regardless of the circumstances, it doesn't even matter if you're in a police academy on a on a firearm range, like whatever the circumstances is, if that gun in your hand is real, you should be treating it as a real gun as a standard of care.

591
01:06:50,800 --> 01:07:06,800
It doesn't matter if you're a license, if you're trained. So if you're not trained by with on a gun, by the way, you probably shouldn't even be handling a gun. But it doesn't matter if it's a prop. If that's a real gun, you should be handling it as if it were a real gun.

592
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:14,800
Right. And see, that's why your take is different than mine, because there's a separation of IQs here.

593
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,800
And I don't think of stuff like that.

594
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:30,800
So the other option is that he could have said, Hey, guys, I know we can do edits and we can do CGI, take the firing pin out of this gun and render it in the operable, so I can comfortably shoot it towards another human.

595
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:44,800
Right. And even then, every time he picks up that gun, he really needs to be clearing that chamber. Every time he picks it up every time he he takes his eyes off of it every time he picks it up every time he points it at somebody, he should be making sure that's being done safely, because it is a gun.

596
01:07:44,800 --> 01:08:04,800
Right. And the example I brought up with the car thing was, if it wasn't a gun, and if it was a bullet, I'm sorry, if it wasn't a bullet and if it was a car that had killed this individual, you would never go after the person who put fuel in the car or put the tires on the car.

597
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:17,800
Or, you know, like was responsible for that car being there. The only person held responsible for that death is the operator of that car, right, whether he had a driver's license or not.

598
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:23,800
Right. Because if an unlicensed operator comes down the street and kills grandma, he still goes down, whether he was licensed or not.

599
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:24,800
Sure.

600
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,800
It is the same thing with the gun. A gun is just as much of a deadly weapon as a car is.

601
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:34,800
At a bare minimum, it's negligence. Right.

602
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:52,800
At a bare minimum, I'd be comfortable calling it negligence. At a maximum, I call it reckless. And I don't think it was purposeful whatsoever. I didn't don't think he had any intention to harm that individual. But in criminal law, we are punished for things that we don't mean to do.

603
01:08:52,800 --> 01:09:06,800
Yeah, that that is a really good point about the about it being a real gun. Like I didn't even really think of that. Like, yeah, it's a real gun. That's probably going to change the laws or what? What even are the laws on having a real gun on site?

604
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,800
I actually don't you have to abide by the actual.

605
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:35,800
So I looked into that and you're supposed to have an armed armor armor armor armor armor. That's a real word, I guess. Armorer on set that checks all your guns and stuff. But also each actor, as I was saying earlier, has has a responsibility to check to see if there's a round in the chamber, whether it be blank or a real round.

606
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:52,800
Also, in in I think where they were filming, which was Nevada, I believe, and I think in every state, if you are filming a movie, you are not allowed to have or you're not supposed to have live ammo anywhere on set as part of like the safety precautions.

607
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:58,800
But some idiot brought on live ammo and just started, you know, putting it in in the gun.

608
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:14,800
And I want to point out the difference, too, between like safe practices and like actual law. And I think this is something that will probably change what's considered safe practice on movie sets as just kind of like the standard of what we do now.

609
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:30,800
And, you know, we were all former EMS people, you know, lifting technique is not written into law. Right. Yes, no, that 300 pound Betsy needs to go to the stair chair. We're not carrying her like we're not slinging her over our backs.

610
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,800
Some people know that.

611
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:47,800
So, like it might not be law we might not be breaking the law but if we get hurt trying to pick up somebody and properly, then we definitely like deviated from like what that industry standard is.

612
01:10:47,800 --> 01:11:07,800
I think the Alec Baldwin case will do just that it will change what the industry standard of safety is regarding life ammunition. I don't necessarily think it'll trigger any like legislative body to take any additional acts against like gun safety or guns, guns safety on the movie set, unless they already have.

613
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:21,800
Yeah. But I put it this way. Dan, have you ever been to a firing range for like a gun. I know. No, just shot him at like friends houses. Okay, so I've been to like official gun ranges and stuff.

614
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:32,800
I'll just use the last one I went to I went down to Florida. For my grandfather's funeral I went to a gun range because they actually let you shoot assault rifles at their arconolences.

615
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:38,800
But I went down and it was the funny thing is because he the funeral is on my birthday.

616
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:48,800
So like hey, listen, and not the funeral was the day after my birthday so they're like, hey, we know you don't want to be in Florida for your 25th birthday for your grandfather's funeral.

617
01:11:48,800 --> 01:12:00,800
It's like, we know you like you know firing guns and stuff so they're like, why don't we go to the gun range down here there was like one that was like 20 minutes away that could let you shoot assault rifles so I'm like, all right I'll do that.

618
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:17,800
But like when I was there, because I've done like gun safety courses and stuff. When you go to the to the range, they they they don't let you carry your gun into the into the thing they carry it to your to your shooting range, like your lane, and they lay out the

619
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:34,800
firearms that you have, you have to load them yourself, and you have to you have to rack them yourself but after you after you're done firing and you're like okay it's out of bullets type thing. First thing you do is drop the magazine, you put the magazine down, you take the slide and make sure that

620
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:47,800
there's nothing in it. After you after you rack it a few times, you look at it and you don't point it at the at any at this direction this direction, or backwards, you look down the barrel.

621
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:59,800
You have to you have to keep it kind of like this and like look at the, at the chamber to make sure that there's nothing in it. After that, when you put the gun down, you don't put it facing this way, you don't put it facing this way, or facing this way.

622
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:11,800
You keep every single gun that you have facing down range at all times, even if you checked it 10,000 times, you still point it down the range, you don't point it down you don't point it up you do this.

623
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:19,800
Then, with the rifles you do the same thing after you're done shooting it after you done after you've done that you drop the magazine, you put it down.

624
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,800
You clear the chamber.

625
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,800
You check in the chamber.

626
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:36,800
You clear it two more times is what they tell you, just to make sure you check it one last time, then you put it down, facing down range, never facing this way or this way.

627
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:44,800
And then you make sure that you don't put the magazine back in it because even if you were staring at it.

628
01:13:44,800 --> 01:14:01,800
You put the magazine in, you could have had a slip of your brain and put it in a live magazine into it. So it's just every single time you leave it unloaded in the in the cocked back position, where it can't like not the cock back the safe position where you can where you load things in every single time.

629
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:15,800
And like, that's just standard practice for for almost all gun ranges so that's, that's why I have such a, I guess, stance on Alec Baldwin that like, if you handle a gun, that's how you're supposed to handle it.

630
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:24,800
You're not supposed to like, even if it's a blank gun, a blank gun can still kill somebody from basically from me to you away if I shot you with a blank gun I could kill you.

631
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:25,800
Really.

632
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:35,800
It's not a, it's not a dummy round, it still has an explosion that comes out of it. At the at the least you'll get pretty severe burns if I shoot you from me to you with that.

633
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:42,800
So, people always tend to think like oh it's a blank round it can't hurt anybody, even if it was a blank round it can still kill somebody.

634
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:50,800
Specifically like you see like, there's a couple actors that are like, oh it's a blank and they killed themselves because they thought that blank rounds can't kill you.

635
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:51,800
Yes.

636
01:14:51,800 --> 01:15:03,800
So, even if it's a blank round, it's still a live round. So that's like a whole like thing like it's like the gun safety in my brain is like, Alec Baldwin was grossly negligent with that.

637
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,800
I am, I watched the video from the set.

638
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:20,800
And they were pretty aware that they shouldn't be pointing the gun at anybody, because as they were doing it, they're like, they're like remember don't don't like point away when you're shooting it, point away when you're shooting it.

639
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,800
You have people over here like don't don't point it over there, like just listen to like go back and watch that video. It's like they know that it's dangerous, even though they're blanks.

640
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:33,800
Yeah. Right. Because the whole time they're talking about not not pointing it at anybody.

641
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:40,800
So, the fact that he pointed at somebody after they basically admitted that they knew that that was dangerous.

642
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:54,800
And then it just happened to be a live round. Like, I don't know man, couple things like you changed my mind on it now. Like now I said, I switched teams. I was team Alec and now I'm like, I don't know.

643
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:55,800
It's fire.

644
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:06,800
It's pretty negligent to me. And I didn't even know about the video you just mentioned that I haven't seen before but if it is the case that he was warned before he did it too that makes it even worse.

645
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:19,800
They're like, they were like somebody on set like as they're doing it they're like actively talking about it or it might have been when they were planning it out. They're actively talking about not pointing it at people, you know.

646
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:27,800
Which is just standard gun safety. Right. Don't point a weapon at anything you're not willing to destroy type thing.

647
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:35,800
Right. But has anybody seen is it cake? Cake? Is it cake? No. Is it cake? Yeah.

648
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:47,800
Yeah. Are you seeing the videos? Yeah. Oh, the things where it's like, is this a can of dip or is it actually cake and then they do like a knife to it? Yeah, I've seen those before.

649
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:55,800
Okay. So if we can make cake look like anything, why were we using a real gun on set?

650
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:03,800
Right. Because it looks more realistic.

651
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:09,800
That's actually funny Casey. That is a good point.

652
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:27,800
But yeah, like I think speaking of is it cake though some of those things are wild like I saw like a thing that looked like a full on refrigerator. And I'm like, ah, and I have like the thing where they're like, but you know we've reached just like the peak of our society when this is like where we've gotten for entertainment.

653
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:45,800
Is it cake? No, this podcast is a prime example. Yeah. Just the it shows just the degeneration. Speaking of that, Mr. Lundy, have you ever tried smelling salts? No, I have not. Would you like to? What is that? Ammonium nitrate? It's just ammonia. Yeah.

654
01:17:45,800 --> 01:18:01,800
I think it might be ammonia nitrate. I think it is right. Basically, it's a it's a it's a rite of passage coming on the podcast. I use those every time. I don't know. I use them more when I get by.

655
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:23,800
I'm doing like, I'm not doing that. I do this all the time and I'm fine, dude. But I honestly feel like I have gotten dumber since I started doing this. I don't mean to be morbid about this, but you're starting to sound like our dearly departed there.

656
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:40,800
Dearly departed? Who's that? Hmm. I missed something. Is there a way to mute this for a second? I can pause it. We're gonna have a sidebar. Hold on. All right, sidebar. Court is back in session.

657
01:18:40,800 --> 01:19:08,800
So where does it say the ingredients on this? Because now he's got me wondering. Toss it to me. I'll find them. All right, hold on. I can read too. I can read. So while you're doing that, Dan, what's Dan been up to this week? You've been doing any flight sim? You've been doing any? You know, I wanted to play a flight simulator this week and I got it all set back up in my cockpit. I just. Did you check the cock loft? What's that? Did you check the cock loft? What? It's the cock loft. I'm not sure.

658
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:35,800
Cock loft is like the attic. It's the attic. When firefighters are doing stuff, Freddy. Freddy used to constantly say it. You're like, chocolate. Cock lofts checked. No fire. He's just like saying that. I think everybody likes it. So he did. He retired. Okay, maybe I can't read. It's sodium carbonate. Penta.

659
01:19:35,800 --> 01:20:00,800
Hemma hydrate sodium carbonate, ammonium chloride, sodium polyacrylate, acrylic, cotton and red 40 cotton cotton red 40. Well, that's when you first. Yeah, no, that's not going anywhere near me. That's not going anywhere. I eat enough organic food that it makes up for it.

660
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:24,800
It makes up for it. What do you experience? All right, I know exactly how to describe it. Give me that shit. It feels like when somebody comes up to you in a swimming pool and you're not expecting it and they dunk you under the water and the chlorine goes up your nostrils. Yes. Yep. That's exactly what it feels like. That's how I first described it when I first saw it. Oh, yeah.

661
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:48,800
Yeah. I am so confused. Let me get another round. It was worse now. I shook it. Oh, I shouldn't have shook it. Are you sure you don't want to try it?

662
01:20:48,800 --> 01:21:17,800
I am a thousand percent. Now, what do you smile? It's not a requirement. My brother did it and he was like, what the hell? We also asked all our guests. Do you believe in ghosts? And do you have any ghost stories? I do not have any ghost stories. Oh, man. You know what I'm noticing? Well, no, it's not true. Okay. Never mind. However, I don't have enough information to come to the conclusion that ghosts do not exist.

663
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:37,800
Oh, you want to come to the conjuring house with us? The what? The conjuring house. You know the movie The Conjuring? Oh, okay. We're going to the house where that happened. To ghost hunt. For those of our listeners who cannot see, I am of a darker complexion. Will not be participating.

664
01:21:37,800 --> 01:22:07,600
As he will die first. I've seen enough movies. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I'm not going because I'm not trying to bring anything home. I am like, I am the white guy in the movie. That's like, what's that noise? Let's go check it out. I'm just going with them and probably Alex. Yeah, Dan, you're coming. Tyler's like, yeah, my dad says that we have like generational bad

665
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:26,600
luck from him messing around with like Ouija boards and shit. And then he's like, I'm going to the conjuring. Dude, I'm good. I'm good on that. I'll go. I don't fuck. I'm already cursed. Doesn't matter. All right. Want to take a break? Yeah. We'll be right back on the untitled podcast.

666
01:22:38,600 --> 01:23:01,600
All right. Welcome back to Untitled Podcasts, episode 67. We got me, Tyler. We got Casey. We got Dan. And we got, how you doing guys? Welcome back. Welcome back. That smelling salts got me high, Tyler. Smelling salts in a single cigarette. I'm good to go. I'll take on God.

667
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:29,600
I had a question for you, Dan. Shoot. So remember what we were talking about how Texas is now semi banned porn? Yeah. Oh my God. I think that's a good thing. Me too. I agree. I agree. I think there should be some barriers to entry. Yeah. You know, because like, I don't want to put in my license. Yeah. You have to put in your license to watch porn in Texas.

668
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:45,600
Now I'll gladly put in my license. I don't care. What are you afraid to have your porn records? Are you kidding me? They already have them. They probably would make some suggestions. They probably already know what I like more than I know what I like.

669
01:23:45,600 --> 01:24:14,600
Well, you liked a big hentai meals part two. How about big hentai meals part three? Yeah. No, I think it's a great idea because it's just like, dude, like it's just a continuation of what we were talking about last week. I still have dreams about the first pornographic magazine I've ever seen. I ever saw. I still dream about it till this day. That's how powerful of a stimulus it was.

670
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:38,600
So for kids to just hop on a phone and have access to all this crazy shit, it's like, no, dude, there has to be that is like damaging to your brain. Which was the first portal magnet that you looked at? It was, it wasn't really. So it wasn't, it was like a, like muscle magazine, but it was like a swimsuit edition.

671
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:53,600
And it was basically like hard, soft core porn. It was like, yeah, it was like soft core. It was like as hard as soft core porn can get before it becomes like the red hot chili pepper song. Yeah.

672
01:24:53,600 --> 01:25:11,600
Yeah. Like the first one that I had, because my dad got Game Informer magazine, but when he got Game Informer magazine, it was a double subscription with Max of magazine, which isn't really a porn magazine, but it's kind of close.

673
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:25,600
And like my dad would like hide them in his, his, his bathroom upstairs. So I went and see him. And then like the toilet broke downstairs or some shit. And like, I fucking like, you know, this was before we had phones to like, you know, watch it.

674
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:44,600
I opened up, I'm like, whoa, yeah. What the fuck is this shit? It's like, yeah, this is sick. And I was like, that was like the first like porno mag that I had like thing. And then I went back a couple months and I just took one.

675
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:59,600
I just put it under my bed. This was mine. Now. Yeah. And I'm like, but like, I was very upset because like when they would come in, like I would wait for the next month to come and I just go in and steal the last month.

676
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:12,600
Right. And I just progressively just do that. It's like, you won't miss this. Yeah. And then I'm like, great. And then like they never said anything about it. So I was like, never caught on. Never caught on.

677
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:23,600
And they just started tossing the magazine. So I think he caught on, but he started tossing them when they got came in. Cause like he really wasn't into it, but he like got the game informer and that was like the, the, the just a bonus magazine on it.

678
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:29,600
He's like, whatever.

679
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:45,600
But like, it wasn't even like it, like Maxim is like the softest of softcore porn mags. Like it's not like, it's not like playboy or hustler or anything. It's fucking, you know, just the basic like hot girl in the bikini. But you know, for a 11, 12, 13 year old, that was enough.

680
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:59,600
Right. Like this one that I'm talking about. I remember specifically it was like Trish Stratus and she had what you would call a bathing suit. It was really like, like a string and it was like wedged up her ass.

681
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:15,600
It was just like, like her, like on the beach, just like, I just, I'll never forget it. It was amazing. I bet I could find that magazine, but your parents are catching jerking off. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's some, yeah. There's some bad, yeah, there's some bad ones.

682
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:22,600
I only got caught jerking off once. I thought last episode was the porn episode.

683
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:39,600
It always comes back to that. No, the one was the fucking weirdest that I got caught jerking off. I was sitting there, you know, watching something. I think it was, you know, whatever. And then like my dad never knocked when I was making you uncomfortable at all.

684
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:53,600
No, you're good. You're good. Yeah. I was sitting there and like my dad never knocked when I lived with him. Just never, he would just open the doors. Just, but my dad being paralyzed, you could hear him kind of coming.

685
01:27:53,600 --> 01:28:09,600
Like the way that like he had to like hobble and like kind of grab onto the walls and stuff. So you'd hear like a hand on the wall and then like a slide, but had my headphones in. So I couldn't hear the walk coming. And I was like, fuck. So I'm like laying there and you know, going to town.

686
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:25,600
And then I see click open and I hear, whoa, huh? Yep. Okay. Yep. So, yep. That's natural. Anyways. Yeah. Cool. See you later. And walk. So I'm like, you made that so much worse.

687
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:47,600
You could have just went, oh, and then shut it, but going, yep. Okay. Yep. That's natural. Don't. Okay. Carry on. Fucking walk. My dad is fucking crippling social anxiety too. So like, you know, I mean, that'll give anybody social anxiety, but like, like him already being socially awkward.

688
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:58,600
And then having to do is like, ah, yeah. Okay. Ah, you want anything from Stuart's?

689
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,600
Change the subject.

690
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:08,600
And I went downstairs and he, and I go, are you going to talk about that? He goes, nope.

691
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,600
Damn. Yeah. That was, that was probably the weirdest one.

692
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:21,600
I'll tell you, he's got a good, he's got important things that he's got. No, no, put it back.

693
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,600
But I want to hear his legal advice.

694
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:42,600
Yeah. Ah, man. A pretty weird one for me. I didn't get caught full on, but I got caught sitting down on my bed, like starting to. And so these catalogs used to come in the mail, right? I was like Victoria secrets catalogs or 13, dude.

695
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:58,600
And well, it wasn't that, but it was like girls in their bras, right? And I'm like, Oh, I'm like, don't mind if I do. And I put it in my pocket, right? Went to my bedroom, sat down on my bed, but I started out and do my belt.

696
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,600
It's a fucking Lane Bryant catalog, dude.

697
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,600
You know what that is?

698
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:08,600
No, it's like plus size.

699
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:14,600
I do when you're 12 or 13, you're just like, well, you know, any port and storm.

700
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:26,600
You got nothing like that's better, better than nothing. So I started to sit down and my mom, so like came over to my room and I used to have this like this like TV stand with doors on it.

701
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:38,600
So my regular door to my room was open, but the TV stand was open, like blocking that door halfway and she swings it open on like, I threw it to the side and she knew exactly what was up.

702
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:45,600
And I was like, Oh God, that's embarrassing. You'd Lane Bryant of all things, you know, you ever get like the one where they walk it.

703
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,600
They didn't catch you, but you're naked underneath the covers like fucking thing.

704
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:55,600
Like I'm just sitting there and like they're talking to me and I'm like, Yep.

705
01:30:55,600 --> 01:31:04,600
Right. Like you were just doing it and they're like, yeah, but like I'm like, I have like a hoodie on, but like no pants or underwear underneath it.

706
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,600
And they're like, Yeah, can you help me do this? I'm like, Yeah, I'll be down in a second.

707
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,600
They're like, No, I need help right now. And I'm like, I'll be down in a second.

708
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:18,600
They're like, No, you need to come right now. I'm like, I'll be down in a second. Yeah.

709
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,600
It's like trying to send the message home. Yeah.

710
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,600
Oh my God. Casey got Casey jerked off in a library.

711
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,600
Yeah. Let's not talk about that.

712
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:40,600
Speaking of, say what's the statute of limitations on that? Yeah.

713
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,600
Didn't you, you weren't the kid who got arrested.

714
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,600
I didn't get arrested. No.

715
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:54,600
Cause my senior year, I was somebody did that and there was a manhunt for him.

716
01:31:54,600 --> 01:32:01,600
There was a boy hunt. The girl took the video and outed his business and UPD ended up finding him.

717
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:08,600
I vaguely remember that. It was a whole thing. What's your story? Go ahead. No, no, no.

718
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,600
I'm not telling you any stories. You can listen to that episode.

719
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:17,600
Casey was sent to the attic of this library that he worked at.

720
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:22,600
He was, no. So, okay. He was at the time, he was a minor.

721
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,600
So he was like 15 or 16. Yeah.

722
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:31,600
This wasn't like last year.

723
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:39,600
This was a while ago. So something. All right. So long story short, he got bored.

724
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:44,600
It's a quiet library. He was up in the attic, shuffling through magazines.

725
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,600
And he just decided that he had to relieve himself.

726
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:52,600
Fucking people magazine.

727
01:32:52,600 --> 01:33:00,600
Let's take a look at that for a second.

728
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:05,600
Was there anybody present? No. And it wasn't an attic.

729
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:11,600
It was a fucking balcony. What? A balcony.

730
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,600
It wasn't enclosed. Was it enclosed?

731
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,600
In a room, yeah. There was nobody in the room.

732
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,600
Did the public have access to that room? Staff room.

733
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,600
Staff only? What, you were the only person on shift?

734
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:31,600
No, I was the only person in the room.

735
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:36,600
I'm trying to decide if you actually even did anything wrong.

736
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:42,600
See, this is good. Cause Casey has been carrying this on his conscience.

737
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:47,600
Not until you brought it up.

738
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,600
Interesting. All right. What's the, you said you had some questions.

739
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,600
About that situation? No, about in general.

740
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:58,600
Oh, I just want to know the statute limitations on if there was anything done.

741
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:04,600
But since there was nothing wrong, there's no, it's a victimless crime.

742
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:09,600
I mean, I think that the determination there is like, whether that was truly like public or not.

743
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:13,600
Right. I don't think it was. I think you can make a really good argument that that wasn't public.

744
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:17,600
Was the room locked? No.

745
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,600
I think the door was open.

746
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:27,600
You are why we don't put defendants in the room.

747
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,600
I think the door was open actually.

748
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:34,600
I thought there was like a five year old that came in and just went, oh, it ran away.

749
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,600
All right, go ahead, dad. I don't think I had a.

750
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:46,600
I got a question. Who are you, will you be supporting in this year's presidential election?

751
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:51,600
Oh boy. There's no wrong answers here.

752
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,600
Can I get a poll first? A poll? Yes. What do you mean?

753
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,600
Who's red? Who's blue? I am affiliated.

754
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,600
I'm going to vote for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

755
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,600
Yeah, I'm in the middle, man. If it comes down to Trump or Biden, I'm not.

756
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,600
I'm not going to vote for fucking KFC or RFK.

757
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,600
Not going to vote. You're not going to vote for RFK. Maybe I will.

758
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,600
We'll see. I feel like if you don't vote in an election, you don't have a right to.

759
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,600
No, I don't think that's true. I feel like I think it's just it's gotten to that too.

760
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:27,600
I feel like it's gotten to the point where it's just it's like a distraction.

761
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:34,600
Like, I don't even think that the federal government should be so important that we put as much emphasis on it as we do.

762
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:39,600
I think it's just like we shouldn't be celebrities. These people, it's like they have a job to do.

763
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:45,600
And we didn't like, you know, hear things about the president every fucking day. Right.

764
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:50,600
But that's just because it's like everybody's like some people that I feel shouldn't be informed.

765
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:53,600
Social media are informed now because of social media. Exactly.

766
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,600
Yeah. So like one in 10 people.

767
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:02,600
Go ahead. So one in 10. We talk about this occasionally on this podcast.

768
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:08,600
One in 10 people have such a low IQ that they can't do any task without being counterproductive.

769
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:17,600
Actually, so now these people are getting informed by social media and they really have no business like having an opinion on anything.

770
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,600
So what do you think about that statistic?

771
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,600
Like I said, social media is a dangerous place. It is.

772
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,600
But the one in 10. What do you what do you think about that?

773
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:32,600
I can't verify it. They're taking it on its face. That makes sense.

774
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,600
Based on the people you've represented.

775
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,600
What would you think of that?

776
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:46,600
Based off the people I generally interact with in any and all capacities, I wouldn't be surprised if that statistic exists.

777
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,600
That's just a statistic that he made up.

778
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,600
No, no, that's from a psychologist. No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Find that for me.

779
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:59,600
I will. Dude, I will find the video. Send it to the group chat. I will. Absolutely. I'll find it.

780
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:11,600
All right. So social media and politics. Social media kind of came in at a weird time where we were very polarized because of other things that the country was going through.

781
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:18,600
I don't know if it was because of COVID necessarily. I think we were heading in that direction anyway.

782
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:32,600
But social media is a spot where people who traditionally never had a voice or only had a local community based voice all of a sudden were able to access the masses.

783
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:41,600
Unverified, unchecked, un-peer reviewed in their raw delivery of their messages and of their videos.

784
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,600
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's a dangerous thing. I agree.

785
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:52,600
We do have the First Amendment, as we talked about earlier. Hell yeah. Freedom of speech.

786
01:37:52,600 --> 01:38:07,600
And believe it or not, I don't really even think it's the place of Twitter or X or Facebook or Instagram or Snapchat to fact check individuals.

787
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:21,600
I do think fact checking is an overreach on the part of the platforms, but I'm not necessarily saying they're not allowed to do it because they are allowed to regulate the content on their own platforms.

788
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:36,600
But if a politician is getting up there and lying or spouting information that hasn't been verified or is non-scientific or detrimental to the public health, I need to know about that.

789
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:45,600
I need to know that they have access to their unfiltered content to know what's truly going on in their head and what's truly going on.

790
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:55,600
Because when they go to Congress floor or a state representative floor or even a local legislative body, there's no fact checking.

791
01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:01,600
They're in a position of authority to make laws and decisions that affect me.

792
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,600
Facebook will not be involved at that point.

793
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:14,600
So I need Facebook to allow me to make the assessment unfiltered of what those people stand for, of what those people are reporting and the conversations that those people are having.

794
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:21,600
If it's untrue, that's my responsibility as a listener to verify what is being told to me.

795
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:37,600
And I think that's what we learned very early on in school of how to recognize primary sources and secondary accounts and things like, is this a blog versus a scientific journal peer reviewed article?

796
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,600
We learned those skills early on. Everybody who went through the American...

797
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:42,600
Let me stop myself.

798
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:49,600
You just said a word that I haven't heard in 10 years, primary source, in 20 years, primary source.

799
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,600
But has everybody here learned about primary sources?

800
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:54,600
Yeah, it's just been so long since I've even heard that.

801
01:39:54,600 --> 01:40:02,600
I feel like, I mean, my brother is, I keep bringing up my brother, my brother is 16 and he's in a military academy.

802
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:09,600
So I don't know if this counts as like American education system, but like it's a private American education system.

803
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:16,600
But like he's learning shit that was like way above the level that I was learning at his age.

804
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:23,600
But also he's going to LaSalle Institute over in Troy, like the military, like pretty, pretty high level, like academic place.

805
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:30,600
I went to fucking Waterville League, which is top or bottom 10 of New York State with graduation levels.

806
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:31,600
Dang.

807
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,600
Oh, wow.

808
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,600
But you do remember learning about primary sources?

809
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,600
I do remember learning about primary sources though.

810
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:42,600
That's coming from somebody who is in the bottom 10.

811
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:51,600
I think if you graduate college, you have to know what that means, how to like identify whether an article is bogus or it's scientific.

812
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,600
But for some reason, we have completely stopped doing that.

813
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:04,600
We're taking 15 seconds worth of information or 15 seconds worth of like out of context videos and just taking it as facts, sharing it.

814
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:06,600
Untitled plug.

815
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:16,600
Repeating it, making our political decisions, who we vote for, who we choose to support, who we talk to our friends about on unverified information.

816
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,600
And if it is opinions, it's opinions, right?

817
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,600
If somebody if a politician gets up there and says, I think this about this.

818
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,600
Sure, that's their opinion.

819
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:24,600
They're entitled to it.

820
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:29,600
But if a politician gets on Instagram or TikTok and says, you know, this is what happened on this day.

821
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:46,600
And then, you know, this is what's going on in this country, it should be our responsibility to to to go to either more reputable sources or the primary sources of of seeking out like like what are the accounts of people who are actually there, people who actually experienced it.

822
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,600
You know, what does science say COVID?

823
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:56,600
You know, we talked about COVID vaccines and the medications involved in it.

824
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,600
The different companies and what have you.

825
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:12,600
But how many of those people who were like so against the COVID vaccine actually went and studied how vaccines work, how the COVID vaccine works.

826
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:13,600
What were they targeting?

827
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,600
I actually don't believe COVID was real.

828
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:16,600
So.

829
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:17,600
What's that?

830
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:19,600
You didn't believe it was real?

831
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,600
No.

832
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,600
Casey, give your COVID payback.

833
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:29,600
Can I can I be sued for that now like Alex Jones?

834
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,600
By all the people that had COVID, including myself.

835
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:34,600
I had COVID too, six times.

836
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:36,600
You guys can all sue me.

837
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:44,600
So, so yeah, so that's where I say like the social media gave a voice to people who otherwise would never have a voice.

838
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:53,600
But it is also dangerous when you take it as as fact when you take it unverified and when you kind of just take it as law.

839
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:55,600
Oh, right. It's kind of like religion, right?

840
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,600
When you take like a story.

841
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:02,600
I'm not touching that one.

842
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:13,600
I think also like people who make content are incentivized to make negative content because that's what people remember.

843
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,600
There's a negativity bias.

844
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:24,600
So people like I see like say a lot of my stuff is like the first thing that comes up on my feet is Fox News stuff.

845
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,600
So they're going to say all the worst things about the left.

846
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,600
Right. And it's just going to like just indoctrinate my brain with all this.

847
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:38,600
Nancy Pelosi is the devil and she's an insider trader making 90 billion dollars stealing money from the American people.

848
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,600
I'm like, oh my God, I get the swirls in my eyes.

849
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,600
I'm like, and I go out believing this.

850
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:43,600
Right.

851
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:50,600
And then I go and watch an interview with Nancy Pelosi and I'm like, oh wow, she's actually like she has some really patriotic traits.

852
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:53,600
And I never would have thought that based on what I see on Fox News.

853
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,600
Like she actually like genuinely does care about the United States.

854
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,600
Like I can tell based on like some of the things that she said.

855
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:05,600
Right. So does she is she an insider insider trader?

856
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:10,600
Maybe. And is she making 90 billion dollars off like legislation and stuff?

857
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,600
Maybe. I don't know.

858
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,600
So simultaneously. Right.

859
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,600
It's like there's layers of truth on both sides.

860
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,600
But what sells is the negative.

861
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:24,600
Right. People want to see they don't and they don't look for information.

862
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:25,600
They look for affirmation.

863
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,600
They want to be charged with war crimes.

864
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,600
Yes. Yes.

865
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,600
Anybody can be charged with a war crime.

866
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:39,600
Okay. So anyway, so I agree with you 100 percent.

867
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:53,600
And I just want to touch on the bill reform topic in New York because I have found that there's a lot of misinformation about bill reform and a lot of it was started by the opponents of bill reform.

868
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,600
Even the Clean Slate Act.

869
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,600
That was what just a few months ago.

870
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:05,600
You know, that one sheriff's department from out west and full disclosure, I do respect the police.

871
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,600
I think they play a very important part of our society.

872
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:10,600
I respect the men and women who do it.

873
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:18,600
I'm evaluating their position as enforcers and their positions as political bodies in addition to, you know, protectors of the public.

874
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,600
Full disclosure.

875
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,600
With that said. Disclaimer.

876
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:24,600
Yep. Thank you, Casey.

877
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:28,600
Full disclaimer.

878
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:29,600
Where's the other boot?

879
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:30,600
Actually, it is a disclosure.

880
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:31,600
I'm not disclaiming anything.

881
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:32,600
I'm not disclosing my...

882
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:33,600
What's the difference?

883
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:34,600
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

884
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,600
I'm going to go with what he says.

885
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,600
Well, he's a lawyer. He's our lawyer.

886
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,600
Maybe I should just shut my mouth.

887
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:41,600
All right.

888
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:53,600
So with that said, when the Clean Slate Act came out, there was that sheriff's department out west who released that social media post that was like, like the Clean Slate Act will clean the records of, you know, people who's been convicted of like murder and whatnot.

889
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,600
Like all these like egregious sounding crimes.

890
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,600
And somebody had sent it to me.

891
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:02,600
And by the time it got to me, it had been shared like a couple thousand times.

892
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:06,600
I want to say like several thousands of times it's been shared across New York State.

893
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:12,600
And I'm looking at the post and I'm going, that's not right.

894
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,600
That doesn't even sound closely right.

895
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:15,600
So what did I do?

896
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:20,600
I pulled up the assembly bill and looked at it like the actual like law of it.

897
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,600
And the post was completely wrong.

898
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,600
It was completely inaccurate.

899
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:26,600
But it got views.

900
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:27,600
And it got people to share it.

901
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:28,600
It got people to talk about.

902
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:36,600
It got opponents to oppose it and to post under Kathy's Instagram page of how terrible it is.

903
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:40,600
And you know, you're protecting child rapists and you're protecting like former murderers.

904
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,600
And we won't be able to know who those people are.

905
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:51,600
But what the act actually targeted was people who made like silly little mistakes or who had opportunities to turn their life around.

906
01:46:51,600 --> 01:47:04,600
And should the criminal record follow you for the entire rest of your life, barring you from employment, barring you from housing, even though that's not really supposed to happen, but it does.

907
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:12,600
Barring you from certain professional licensures, from being able to apply for certain services, work in certain divisions, etc.

908
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:25,600
Should that really diminish your earning capacity and your ability to be a contributing member of society if you truly departed from that life or if it truly was a mistake?

909
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:30,600
And again, there's mechanisms in place and time limits in place to make sure that that actually takes place.

910
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,600
So they did the same thing with bail reform.

911
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,600
In the United States, you're innocent until proven guilty in the court of law, right?

912
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,600
Either by a judge or a jury of your peers.

913
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:45,600
Bail was only meant to secure your return to court.

914
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:50,600
Bail was never meant to say like how guilty you are or how not guilty you are.

915
01:47:50,600 --> 01:48:05,600
So we ran into this condition where people were being accused of a crime and were sitting in jail for days, weeks, months, sometimes years, without ever being proven that they actually did something.

916
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:10,600
Instead, they kind of sat in jail through this litigation process. So they're losing their jobs.

917
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,600
They're losing their apartments. They're not seeing their kids.

918
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,600
They're not sleeping in their bed every night.

919
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:23,600
So you are depriving them of some of our most fundamental liberties while they still haven't been proven guilty in the court of law.

920
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:42,600
So what bail reform did was got rid of that punitive factor from bail and said, we should return bail to what it originally was, and that was to make sure that you come back to face your charges and to face your punishment and actually litigate your case.

921
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:58,600
If you go way back, way, way back in the day, used to like, like turn in a goat or a chicken, you know, a house, your wife, something of the sort to really secure that you will come back.

922
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:08,600
These days, everything is done through cash. So your cash bail or shorty bond, whatever it is, is literally just like, like, what is your risk of not coming back?

923
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,600
You don't come back. You surrender that bail to the people.

924
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:14,600
Non bailable offenses.

925
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:27,600
They did a lot of studies and they did they did they took a lot of information and basically came to the conclusion that a lot of people come to court, just because they're supposed to come to court.

926
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:37,600
A lot of people do what they're supposed to do without the threat of jail and jail was not necessary to make sure that people came to face your speeding ticket.

927
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:42,600
And if people didn't come, there were mechanisms in place to make sure that people did come in the future.

928
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:47,600
Like, if you don't pay your easy pass in New York, they'll suspend your registration.

929
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:52,600
If you don't answer a summons, they'll suspend your registration, which you'll get other tickets for it'll cost you more money.

930
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,600
You won't be able to transfer your car. You won't be able to re-register your car.

931
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:04,600
So there are other mechanisms to make sure that people face their charges and, you know, are are basically handle their business besides keeping them in jail.

932
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:08,600
Actually, I have to pay my easy pass right now.

933
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,600
You mentioned that.

934
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:25,600
So the other disparity that people found was that judges were setting really high bails for otherwise petty offenses like a like a petty larceny over at Crossgates.

935
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:36,600
If that person was stealing, you know, with the exception of like the regular kleptomaniac, what are the chances they can afford a ten thousand dollar cash bail or cash bond?

936
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:45,600
Not very high. So do you really want that person sitting in jail for four months while they only stole an eighty dollar jacket at JCPenney?

937
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,600
Is that equitable? That's debatable.

938
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,600
Debate it. We're here. I think we got some echo.

939
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:59,600
We got a check. Hold on. All right. We're back. All right. We're back.

940
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,600
So real quick before we take questions.

941
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:14,600
So another condition with the disparities was that like people were sitting in jail for months and years for like low level like pot DWI stuff like that.

942
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:30,600
But wealthy people and people have access to a lot of funds can literally murder somebody, still return home pending the duration of their trial or, you know, like some sort of big egregious offense like Harvey Weinstein and shit.

943
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:33,600
Yeah. And still be home for their trial.

944
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:40,600
But somebody who got on a bar fight on a Friday night had to spend two weeks in jail until their lawyer can work out a plea deal for them.

945
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:44,600
You know, where's the equity in that? So, OK, questions.

946
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:56,600
So for like crimes like murder and stuff is the bail like things still like they don't have bail for for murders like or or alleged murders, I should say.

947
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:03,600
Sure. So I just want to clarify that like in New York, there's a bailable offense and there's a non bailable offense.

948
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:13,600
Non bailable offenses are what the legislators have in their infinite wisdom decided are like if you're charged with this offense, the judge is not going to set bail.

949
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:17,600
They're going to set some sort of pretrial release and not might not necessarily be our war.

950
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,600
You might have to check in with probation or something of the sort.

951
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:32,600
But it's not like absent some aggravating factor like you're already out on another charge, for example, on the that the judge can't set bail on that.

952
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:36,600
They have to let you go with some sort of pretrial release condition.

953
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:51,600
A bailable offense is a more serious level crime where the judge is allowed to set bail and the judge is supposed to set what he considers the the the minimum required bail to ensure your return to court.

954
01:52:51,600 --> 01:53:13,600
So absent an additional condition of if you are out on bail on another felony or out on bail on like a multiple string of charges, then the then the judge has the authority to just revoke that altogether and then remand you to a correctional facility where you'll stay, where they know you'll behave and you'll be able to produce to face your charges.

955
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:33,600
So if you're facing a murder, what they can do is that they can either set a really, really high bail with the justification that's that's what's going to take for you to face a murder charge or if it is like so egregious, like they're sure you're not coming back if they let you go, you're going to get remanded.

956
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:43,600
Something like so I've seen like in the news, this might be like a single case type thing, but I've seen in the news like a couple of times. I don't know if it's the same case or whatever.

957
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:55,600
A guy got arrested for domestic domestic abuse, got like let out on no bail and then went back and murdered his wife or whoever it was, his spouse.

958
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:07,600
And then they could the the bail have protected that person type thing. Could the bail have saved that person's life type thing?

959
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:35,600
Like, because domestic disputes can be as like simple as yelling at your wife to threatening your wife to kill them. But you didn't actually do anything at that point yet. Right. But in like the court, like the eyes of the thing could if you threatened to or if you were have a history of violence and you are in like a domestic dispute, can they do that thing where they're like, OK, we're going to keep you in a jail for the safety of this person?

960
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:45,600
Because even if they have a order of protection against that person now, what's like if a guy's trying to kill you in order of protection isn't going to really do anything. I feel like.

961
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:50,600
Yeah, I'm actually really happy you you asked that.

962
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,600
That brings up several points of conversation.

963
01:54:54,600 --> 01:55:08,600
So first, if there's a danger to a specific member of the public, they will order order protection and it's usually some sort of full stay away. It could be a refrain from depending, but usually a full stay away.

964
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:15,600
And if you disobey that order of protection, then you could be remanded to a correctional facility on a criminal contempt charge.

965
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:19,600
But unfortunately, that is reactive.

966
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:28,600
That is, you have to actually violate it, not just say you're going to violate it for you to be taken in a second time.

967
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:35,600
So if you do decide to kill your wife in that first time, you know, there's there's like it just is what it is.

968
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:52,600
However, I think that was few and far between. And, you know, I was around the time where like bail reform was developing, I was following like a lot of police departments and a lot of sheriff's offices post on their Facebooks and Instagrams.

969
01:55:52,600 --> 01:56:18,600
And it is my opinion that especially their unions harped on every single case of repeat offender or like a release and worse crime like circumstance or scenario that they could to show of like, hey, look, bail reform is bad because this guy broke into three cars in three days and he got released every single time.

970
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:22,600
And it was only on the third time that he got remanded or that they sent bail.

971
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:41,600
But what they don't talk about is how many people get arrested on DWI is on drug charges on assaults on harassment disorderly conducts how many college kids could get into like little disagreements downtown and end up getting taken into custody.

972
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:53,600
And reckless drivers on 787 don't have to spend a week in jail, because they were going, you know, 91 in a 55.

973
01:56:53,600 --> 01:57:12,600
And, like, even on the equal playing field, they don't talk about how many people get into an argument with their wife, whether physical or verbal get an order of protection and don't go kill their wives, but can still keep their job and can still provide for their kids and you know don't have to spend that time in jail.

974
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:15,600
Nobody talks about that.

975
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:29,600
So, the other, or the third point is, even if that person did murder their wife, there's no showing that if there was a bail set that that person wouldn't have been able to make bail.

976
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:47,600
And if they did make bail, or they would eventually be released anyway, there's no showing that a cooldown period would have saved that person that that wife there's there's there's no showing that I can see that I've ever read in the news that like that person was still hot headed by the time

977
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:48,600
they got released.

978
01:57:48,600 --> 01:58:02,600
And that even if it was three days or four days or five days later that he still wouldn't have come back found her and killed her. Yeah, because that's like my, the only point that I would have like against that is that maybe the cooldown period would have an effect on that.

979
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:31,600
We like there's there's not really any telling. There's not really any way to like prove it one way or the other type thing, because everybody's like humans are so volatile everywhere, right that it's a case by case basis, but I just, the thing is that I'm like, because I've seen like cases like that that I've been a part of where like the, the, the, the wife of that person was significantly scared that they were going to come back and kill them.

980
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:43,600
Right. And that, that even if they had like, they went with their family or something to get get protected, they still felt like that they were going to come for them and hurt them or worse type thing.

981
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:50,600
Right. And I just feel like for like, specifically, like domestics and stuff.

982
01:58:50,600 --> 01:59:08,600
There should like, I feel like their reform itself isn't a bad thing. I feel like it could be, I feel like it's a, it could be a good thing, but I feel like it's, it's still in the temperamental phases where you kind of have to like, there's, we're still figuring out how to do things type thing.

983
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:29,600
And like, it's just that I'm more worried about like, for like the safety of prior victims getting retaliation pretty much from getting someone arrested type thing. Because once again, not everybody's going to go back or 90% of the people aren't going to go back and hurt them again or try to kill them or another thing like that.

984
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:40,600
But there's always that like, it might be 10, it might be less than 10%, but like, there's always that percentage that will do that again and just go back and hurt them again or worse.

985
01:59:40,600 --> 02:00:08,600
And that's just like, it's, you know, the needs of the many versus the needs of the few type thing, where you're like, where it's like, okay, this is helping a lot of people, but it's kind of like the whole dilemma is if you can help 100 people but one person dies, is it, was it more morally justified to help the 100 people to have one person die or have 70 people get punished but nobody dies type thing.

986
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:20,600
And it's like, it's a moral dilemma type thing with that. And that's why, I mean, I get where you're coming from. And you actually put it more into perspective because I didn't know about the other stuff on that.

987
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:34,600
But that's just kind of like my like stand case. It's a more person by person basis on that I think, the way that they see that, the way that they see that that type of thing.

988
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:55,600
And it's also just based on like person to person, the needs of the many versus the needs of the few, does one person dying really, is like one person dying worth helping 100 other people, and then if you don't help anybody but nobody dies type thing, is it still worth that because one person didn't die type thing.

989
02:00:55,600 --> 02:01:14,600
And it's just, it's a hard subject and I can see both sides of it. And it's just like, it's one of those things where somebody loses in every situation, and you just got to figure out the loss type thing.

990
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:32,600
I think it's important to mention too that it's not only an if or or, like these are the only two options scenario, because the state, the government, law enforcement agencies, they do have a substantial interest in protecting victims of crimes who will also end up serving as their witnesses.

991
02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:59,600
So, if there is concerns for that, it could very well be the prerogative of the local sheriff's office or the local law enforcement agency to sit outside that person's house, or, you know, assist in the relocation of that person, you know, provide an additional level of protection like beyond what the, what is provided for the general public, if that is what the law enforcement chooses to do.

992
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:04,600
And just the other thing is like on the end of a victim.

993
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:21,600
I'm not victim blaming here, but we each do kind of have somewhat of a responsibility to keep ourselves safe. In addition to what the safety nets that are provided by the government, not safety nets, the safety mechanisms like being able to call 911 and whatnot.

994
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:29,600
And, you know, if we were talking about the Second Amendment, we would say we all have the right to defend ourselves and protect our homes. But if we're talking about domestic violence.

995
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:49,600
Should you take the affirmative steps to remove yourself even though it is your home to disappear to to go stay in a hotel to go to a batter woman shelter, something of the sort, to prevent that from happening as a just a matter of preserving your own safety, if you know that that's a possibility.

996
02:02:49,600 --> 02:03:00,600
And I know what you're going to say, isn't that the government's job is to that person stay in jail, but that goes back to are you going to keep 100 people in jail who are not going to do anything for the actions of what one might do.

997
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,600
So it's really where you stand on the moral moral grounds.

998
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:16,600
Thankfully we live in a democratic republic where our legislators make that decision for us, and they've chosen it to be this way but like I said, as much as the police departments post about these sorts of like repeat crimes.

999
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:34,600
I would call on them to have either victims advocates or like victims protective services to, you know, go spend 12 hours and and put a car outside their house or put a car in their driveway for 12 hours and I'm very comfortable using taxpayer dollars to do that.

1000
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:38,600
If we're comfortable using taxpayer dollars to keep individuals incarcerated.

1001
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:47,600
I agree with that but like that's that's that's kind of like the road that I was going down I'm like, if we're going to do the bail reform.

1002
02:03:47,600 --> 02:04:02,600
I, but I, I'm for keeping people who weren't like dangerous criminals like all that like just, just let them go do their thing, if they're going to come back and face their data court, but like it was just the the victims that I was concerned for.

1003
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:08,600
And that's what I was saying like is that if there was a way to do something.

1004
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:16,600
Having a officer sitting in like their driveway type thing, like until like it gets resolved or something.

1005
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:27,600
I feel like that's a better allocation of resources, because instead of having as many prison guards you could have actual officers on the street, doing actual things.

1006
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:34,600
Which I agree with you on that part. Like I'm not saying like there's a there's a one size fit all solution to this.

1007
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:35,600
Right, and nor am I.

1008
02:04:35,600 --> 02:04:53,600
Yeah, but like I'm saying that I am more concerned about the victims of violent crimes or or threats of violence towards them than a guy who fucking did like you know, little too fast on the highway, evaded his taxes type shit like.

1009
02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:57,600
Right. I'm like, I'm like you you do that and I'm like I get that.

1010
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:06,600
But like like it's the violent offenders are the ones that I'm more concerned about or the the potential of violence from the offender.

1011
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:13,600
And that's why I'm like there could be the there could be reforms to the bail reform type thing there could be different ways of doing it.

1012
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:16,600
There should there could be more protections for the victim.

1013
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:23,600
There could be different things it just it's a I feel like it's a good way to put it.

1014
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:25,600
I got a solution labor camps.

1015
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:33,600
We make the prisoners forced to do labor so that way. It's like how come we're paying for a prisoner to survive like three meals a day.

1016
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:40,600
And like how much it costs for a prisoner to survive a year and we're not paying for homeless people who aren't prisoners.

1017
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:52,600
So I actually have been watching a lot of jail reform videos on YouTube just because I got down like a rabbit hole of like you know like life in prison type thing because this one guy is really good at telling stories.

1018
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:55,600
Tyler's making some plans for the future.

1019
02:05:55,600 --> 02:06:02,600
No but like like he's really good like it like speaking and like doing that and like talk about like jail reform and stuff.

1020
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:05,600
Are you talking about what's his name?

1021
02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:06,600
Larry Lawton.

1022
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:07,600
Is that the big guy with tattoos?

1023
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:08,600
Yeah.

1024
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:09,600
Just kind of screams at the camera.

1025
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:10,600
Yeah.

1026
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:11,600
The whole time.

1027
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:12,600
Hmm.

1028
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:15,600
I think I just thought it was interesting.

1029
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:24,600
But like but like just like the shit that he said that like prisons are not nice to their to their inmates stuff.

1030
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:29,600
But like the the way that the like he and like I did research into it.

1031
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:32,600
I don't take his fucking words of face value.

1032
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:34,600
Remind me about prisons not being nice.

1033
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:35,600
Jeff wanted me to tell a story.

1034
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:38,600
Go ahead.

1035
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:51,600
I remember that we were doing this and I'm like and one of the things was that the prison industry type thing where they're paying prisoners like what 50 cents like an hour type thing and they're taking jobs away from people who are outside of prison too.

1036
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:58,600
And they're like because companies outside of prison can't compete with a workforce that works for 50 cents an hour type thing.

1037
02:06:58,600 --> 02:07:01,600
I'll put in a plug for illegal immigrants.

1038
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:02,600
Just for the record.

1039
02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:03,600
We'll come back to that though.

1040
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:04,600
Continue.

1041
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:11,600
But they're like they'll do that for 50 cents an hour at prison and they pretty much don't get a choice to do that.

1042
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:15,600
They have to work or they're not going to get stuff from like the commissary and stuff.

1043
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:18,600
They can't get they can't get stuff.

1044
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:22,600
Of course they get like the three meals a day and then like the stuff.

1045
02:07:22,600 --> 02:07:31,600
But like in order to get anything else you have to either do more crimes in prison or do the prison industry type shit.

1046
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:34,600
Which is a really weird like thing.

1047
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:39,600
I feel like prisons is the fucking parallel universe.

1048
02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:44,600
I will mention I believe Albany County still does its inmate workforce.

1049
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:45,600
Right.

1050
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:47,600
Oh good.

1051
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:48,600
I believe so.

1052
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:50,600
Labor camp.

1053
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:53,600
All case you heard was labor camp.

1054
02:07:53,600 --> 02:08:02,600
Well rather than spending money on the prisoners to why don't we just have the even out by they have to work for their their survival.

1055
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:05,600
Basically that's cruel and unusual punishment.

1056
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,600
Now I think it's I think it's you.

1057
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:10,600
Well I have to work to in order to survive.

1058
02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:12,600
Right. I have to work in order to get food.

1059
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:13,600
How come they don't have to work.

1060
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:14,600
Right.

1061
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:15,600
Why is that cruel and unusual.

1062
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:21,600
If they just got if they just got a free meal free meals a place to stay.

1063
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:24,600
And they'd have to work that almost be like communism Casey.

1064
02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:25,600
Right.

1065
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:31,600
So you're advocating for capitalism.

1066
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:37,600
Oh communism doesn't say that people who don't work should still get all these benefits.

1067
02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:42,600
It says people have to work and try to benefit society somehow.

1068
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:45,600
Casey communism is the worst form of government that ever existed.

1069
02:08:45,600 --> 02:08:50,600
And I will not fight you on this again because every time that we do we just end up screaming at each other.

1070
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:55,600
All right. So I'm not going to touch on that.

1071
02:08:55,600 --> 02:09:02,600
What I do want to touch on though is.

1072
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:04,600
Oh goodness I got distracted by the communism.

1073
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:05,600
What did you say.

1074
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:06,600
Oh I.

1075
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:08,600
But what was I talking about.

1076
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:10,600
Labor camps labor camps.

1077
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:11,600
How people.

1078
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:12,600
Oh OK.

1079
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:20,600
So I'm sure we have all in our fields of work heard the term in your custody is in your care.

1080
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:21,600
Yeah.

1081
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:36,600
So like the standards are providing for somebody protecting somebody nourishing somebody handling their basic human needs is a lot different when you take somebody into custody versus when somebody is just existed in your area.

1082
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:40,600
You know on your jurisdiction in your state in your house.

1083
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:54,600
Right. So if the government is making a voluntary decision to strip that person from their ability to provide for themselves they're also observing the responsibility to provide for them regardless whether they committed a crime.

1084
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,600
Right. And if you don't do that then we have big problems.

1085
02:09:57,600 --> 02:10:03,600
I think those more serious the crime the harder your work should have to be like Casey's.

1086
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:20,600
You should have to be you like swinging the sledgehammer at rocks. Right. But you think the if you're like dead in prison you can just like do like charts and Microsoft Excel.

1087
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:25,600
Yeah I think so.

1088
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:43,600
Okay so yeah that's that's kind of my two cents on bill reform. I do think that legislation is alive and every legislative session I'm sure the topic will come up things will get amended things will get changed times will be added times will be decreased and available not available.

1089
02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:57,600
So you know I think that the state was going to have to adjust based off of the needs of the public but I do think we're headed in the right direction. That's my personal opinion that we're having right. Right. So it's like all the things that we've heard about

1090
02:10:57,600 --> 02:11:09,600
bail reform are coming from the people who have really no idea what they're talking about and probably shouldn't have a voice on it. That's what this podcast is never going to say somebody should.

1091
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:23,600
I am going to say that their voice is unverified. Okay. What's your general opinion of after having defended people against law enforcement and working with law enforcement. What's your general opinion on law enforcement. Yeah.

1092
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:28,600
Okay, so as my lot of improvement needed.

1093
02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:49,600
So had gone earlier, I do respect our members of law enforcement, I do think they perform a very important job, this claim, and it is a very selfless position to be in, where you are facing or have the potential to face a lot of danger, whether that would be through like

1094
02:11:49,600 --> 02:12:01,600
violence, you know, driving a high rates of speed, facing gunfire getting stabbed, etc. In the spirit of protecting the public, so I do respect that.

1095
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:20,600
And as I respect it, I think it's important to criticize and to have the ability to, and have an open dialogue about what we could do better. Dealing with law enforcement, what law enforcement could do better, dealing with the public, and just kind of being that, like,

1096
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:42,600
essential position of authority in our society. Most people will only interact with the government through law enforcement. Like to most regular people, the entire face of the government is law enforcement, and that's getting pulled over, that's, you know, dealing with like whoever

1097
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:53,600
responds to, you know, domestic disturbance or a theft. You know, you go to the DMV, what, once every other year, and you can even do that online, actually.

1098
02:12:53,600 --> 02:12:57,600
They're very mean.

1099
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:09,600
You know what, I will put it a plug for the Hudson City DMV down in Columbia County. Those are probably my favorite people down there. I've never had a negative experience at the Hudson City DMV.

1100
02:13:09,600 --> 02:13:14,600
Same thing about Boston Spa. The Detroit ones are angry. They yelled at me.

1101
02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:20,600
Scary. It's a little rough. I got in a verbal altercation there once.

1102
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:22,600
Oh dear.

1103
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:38,600
So, you know, there was one cop that said, she was in the process of arresting a guy and she was, you know, kind of getting a little angry. And one of the things that she yelled that people kind of hold in on was like she yelled, I am the law.

1104
02:13:38,600 --> 02:13:42,600
What are you, Judge Dredd?

1105
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:46,600
Hear me out a second. Hear me out a second. I don't disagree with her.

1106
02:13:46,600 --> 02:14:00,600
Because when I am pulled over, or I'm interacting with a law enforcement agency, she represents the legislatures who make the law that she's enacting. She represents executive branch that is enforcing the laws against me.

1107
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:11,600
And she represents the judiciary that is going to be responsible. She's going to present my case to the judiciary and going to be responsible for convicting me or fighting me guilty or applying a law to law to facts.

1108
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:14,600
So to me, she is the law.

1109
02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:19,600
But that only heightens the standard that we should hold them to.

1110
02:14:19,600 --> 02:14:23,600
Because if you're representing a 1976, right?

1111
02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:24,600
Which one?

1112
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:25,600
The country was born.

1113
02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:26,600
1776.

1114
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:28,600
That's what I meant. 1776.

1115
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:31,600
I know the fact.

1116
02:14:31,600 --> 02:14:53,600
Yeah, 1776. So you have like such a rich history of American jurisprudence, of people fighting for rights, people dying for rights, freedom of speech, the Second Amendment, the freedom to vote, anti-discrimination, and like all these people, all these history books that we look for, shape and mold and harden what we call like law.

1117
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:58,600
And it's a very simple word, but it's a very complex history and a very complex effect.

1118
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:10,600
And then when you put on that badge, you represent all of it. Every single bit from the Constitution to the state Constitution to every single Supreme Court case that has been going on.

1119
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:16,600
That badge represents every single bit of it to the common person.

1120
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:19,600
So.

1121
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:26,600
Dude, you're hyping up like the law. Like before, I thought the law was just like just black and white text.

1122
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:39,600
Like boring. Like just a bunch of like, oh, this is Statue 109XA. You know what I mean? Like that's what I thought. It's like the law is cool, dude. Yeah.

1123
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:41,600
I'm getting hyped about the law.

1124
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:49,600
The law is rock and roll, dude. I should have used this song earlier.

1125
02:15:49,600 --> 02:16:00,600
Oh, it's a good background. So with that said, like that is the scope that I view and that I hold law enforcement. It is very, very high.

1126
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:17,600
I don't think that there is a more dangerous position to be in if you misbehave, even if it's not intentional. If you screw up, if you shoot somebody you're not supposed to enforce a law you're not supposed to enforce or improperly enforce a law.

1127
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:29,600
I don't think there's a more dangerous position you can be in. Even in courts, there's appeals processes. There's higher courts that keep oversight, so judicial behavior committees.

1128
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:43,600
If it's a matter of shoot, don't shoot, arrest, not arrest, search, don't search, separate, not separate, trespass, not trespass. Like those little tiny decisions and interpretations of the law will affect that person for the rest of their life.

1129
02:16:43,600 --> 02:16:52,600
You know, if it's a matter of charging somebody with a felony versus a misdemeanor could affect their voting rights, you know, their gun ownership, their employment, their positions.

1130
02:16:52,600 --> 02:17:02,600
If you get a child abuse case wrong, that person could lose their kid for years, battling children services and whatever other agency that wants to come after them.

1131
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:08,600
Immigration status. You pull somebody over with no probable cause and that person doesn't deported.

1132
02:17:08,600 --> 02:17:26,600
Your actions have very real and very dire consequences, no matter how little you think pulling somebody over for that, like rolling through a stop sign or you know that going 12 miles over. Everything you do has consequences for the people you interact with.

1133
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:29,600
Points of improvement.

1134
02:17:29,600 --> 02:17:31,600
I think the academy needs to be longer.

1135
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:35,600
Right. I think we should just have all cops be required to be lawyers.

1136
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:42,600
That would be interesting. I feel like that would be like saying we should have all paramedics be doctors.

1137
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:44,600
Going backwards.

1138
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:48,600
You gotta go forward to go backwards.

1139
02:17:48,600 --> 02:17:52,600
You can't do it. You're all doctors now.

1140
02:17:52,600 --> 02:17:59,600
But I really do think that we're failing our own law enforcement officers by not training them enough, and I'm not only talking about sensitivity training.

1141
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:05,600
I'm not talking about at all. I'm talking about like some true constitutional like study.

1142
02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:07,600
Some true legal interpretation.

1143
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:15,600
So, don't like the troopers like New York State troopers, they have to go through a way more in depth academy than a standard officer.

1144
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:16,600
Yes.

1145
02:18:16,600 --> 02:18:25,600
And I think they actually have to go through not nearly as much as like a lawyer, but they have to go through like actual like law, something during the academy.

1146
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:44,600
Yeah, my understanding is that their training is pretty extensive. But the other thing I want to keep in mind is that, although an academy might be six months, how much of that is PT, how much of that is driving is range time is shooting is how to arrest a subject, you know, the mental health training they have to go through now.

1147
02:18:44,600 --> 02:18:55,600
So there's a lot of distracting factors of like how to enforce the law. But I want to see more of like what the law is, how to read the law, how to interpret the law, how to apply the law.

1148
02:18:55,600 --> 02:19:06,600
So would you be for having police having to have a four year degree in or not a four year degree, but at least like, like training on the level of like a four year degree.

1149
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:16,600
I would be very comfortable if we turned like law enforcement into what nursing is and didn't the kind of like a like a bachelor's of law enforcement.

1150
02:19:16,600 --> 02:19:26,600
I feel like that's how it should be. There's like, yeah, yeah. And then you go through your training, you know, your freshman sophomore year, you might do the physical stuff and get that out of the way.

1151
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:36,600
Then your your sophomore junior year, you spend time like studying the procedure, all the little ins and outs of it. I'd be very comfortable if law enforcement's a bachelor's degree.

1152
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:46,600
And I'm not saying that like I'm minimizing the commitment, but I am saying that if somebody is making the commitment to law enforcement, that we should set them up to succeed at law enforcement.

1153
02:19:46,600 --> 02:20:06,600
With that said, I do know that being in law enforcement also changes people over time, constantly being in that position of like authority, constantly being in like the violence, seeing the worst in people, you know, seeing really most people at their worst days and like the compassion runs out eventually.

1154
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:30,600
Compassion is not limitless. I feel that. Yeah. Same fam. It's honestly not industry specific either. But when like police officers start losing compassion and you know, when police police officers start getting jaded about certain situations and and like stop looking at the subjects as people, you run into a very real problem like dehumanizing a very human population.

1155
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:44,600
Sure. Yeah, that's like one of the things like like say you were looking at like a career option. You look at police and it's like, OK, you go to the academy and become a cop. It's like, then where do you go from there?

1156
02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:54,600
It's like that's where Sergeant. Right. Captain. It's like that's pretty much there's really not a lot of options. It's like, how can you stop compassion fatigue? How can you stop it?

1157
02:20:54,600 --> 02:21:06,600
Or maybe this this will be a fun one. Get like if you spend a certain amount of time doing this like job field, you get like a year vacation or something like that.

1158
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:18,600
That's not unheard of actually in education. They do that. You spend 10 years teaching for somebody. You take what is that called? The sabbatical sabbatical. Yeah.

1159
02:21:18,600 --> 02:21:27,600
You spend 10 years something you take an entire year off where you don't have to work and you're still paid. Yeah. Like if they did something like that, that could that could help. I want to fucking sabbatical.

1160
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:38,600
I mean, you like I'm not saying like this is this is I guess it's a semi selfish thing, but like EMS is just in like the same job, like same field like you. You work five years in EMS.

1161
02:21:38,600 --> 02:21:49,600
You're toast. You're you're you're fucking your your compassion goes pretty down. And then like you get like a year off, you're still getting paid the same amount that you would. You have to come back, obviously.

1162
02:21:49,600 --> 02:22:00,600
But like you get a year off. I feel like that could reach like you'd be like, I want to go back. I like I like you get that. You get that when you first started that I want to help people type thing come back type thing.

1163
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:09,600
I'm sure life would just be like, oh yeah, you want to go back? Come on, come on, step back in the way. You think you like it again?

1164
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:14,600
I was going to go back to EMS. It's been like three years.

1165
02:22:14,600 --> 02:22:27,600
No, I mean, you know, it's everybody's different for the level of stress and like how much they can take and everybody has different a different tolerance for pain.

1166
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:35,600
But how about a model where like like the teaching the teaching model so you don't get tired of your students, you have a summer break.

1167
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:41,600
So what about for law enforcement EMS first response? You work nine months out of the year. You get three months off.

1168
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:47,600
Yeah, everybody's on a rotating schedule. I'd hate to be a guy who has his time off in the winter.

1169
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:51,600
Yeah, I wouldn't. I'd go to like class and stuff and be nice.

1170
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:55,600
I think I'd be like one of the guys that's like, I'll do the winter one.

1171
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:59,600
I was like not enough time to forget your skills and to become out of shape.

1172
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:03,600
But it's enough time to like step away, take a breather with your family.

1173
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:09,600
You know, remember that you have family at home that loves you and you have hobbies outside of work and you know, it's OK to fill your free time with.

1174
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:12,600
Yeah. And like actually take a real vacation.

1175
02:23:12,600 --> 02:23:15,600
Well, that's all a pipe dream, but that will never happen because of capitalism.

1176
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:18,600
We live in a capitalist society. That's not true, Casey.

1177
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:29,600
I'll put in a plug if those police unions would stop attacking the reform and instead convince the towns and counties that their police officers work in to do something like that.

1178
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:34,600
I think the police if you work for a private company or hospital, they're not going to want to get people.

1179
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:40,600
They're not going to want to pay people for three months not to do any work when they're already doing teachers.

1180
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:43,600
Yeah, that's what they do with teachers. That's a government.

1181
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:50,600
Also, look at how many fucking nurses are dropping like fucking flies and look at how many EMTs and paramedics are just dropping out.

1182
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:52,600
They're like, I'm not doing this job anymore. It's too much.

1183
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:59,600
And then, oh, we can retain 80 percent of those people if we give you three months off a year.

1184
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:07,600
Also, I think like you're saying with like law enforcement, like the nursing model, how there's like there's room to grow.

1185
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:15,600
Like it's in EMS, it's just like once you're a paramedic, where do you go from paramedic director of operations?

1186
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:19,600
It's like, you know, there's kind of like a cat. You're kind of limited there.

1187
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:24,600
I mean, you can go to flight medic if you want, which they make half of what a flight nurse makes.

1188
02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:35,600
But if there was like, say, a really obvious path to go from like, you know, your paramedic to bachelor's and paramedic to say there's like a master's in,

1189
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:39,600
say you could work it into something else, like you could become a PA. You know what I mean?

1190
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:43,600
Like that was just an obvious path. And then you retire out of the first response.

1191
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:48,600
You know, so it's like it's not like your time that you're putting into that is wasted.

1192
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:52,600
You know what I mean? Like all the time that Tyler has on. How long you been an EMT?

1193
02:24:52,600 --> 02:24:58,600
Eight years. Eight years. Say that time counted towards being a PA. Right.

1194
02:24:58,600 --> 02:25:01,600
Then you go to call with like you have a goal in mind.

1195
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:05,600
It's not just like, oh, I'm doing this for the paycheck so I can buy more fast food.

1196
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:19,600
I mean, they can do it like a military ask thing, too, because like start off as a grunt, get up to sergeant after sergeant that you can go to like, you know, lieutenant captain and start getting to like the the actual like logistics area of it.

1197
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:26,600
But like, don't just make it like you're an EMT or a paramedic. That's it. Right. That's all you got. Right.

1198
02:25:26,600 --> 02:25:33,600
And I think even I was saying to my friend like five years ago, they should have like like paramedic level one paramedic level two.

1199
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:38,600
So there's like obvious like you get paid more if you're a paramedic level two or paramedic level three.

1200
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:43,600
Some of that is how many years you have on the job, your experience, and some of it is more schooling.

1201
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:55,600
I also think that if we did is a system like that, you should have like, you know, EMT and you have to research in order to go to paramedic school because like the whole thing where you can literally take an EMT course

1202
02:25:55,600 --> 02:26:02,600
and then immediately take a paramedic course, I feel like is less than optimal. Right.

1203
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:07,600
I mean, I did do a whole course over again before I went to medical school. Yeah.

1204
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:11,600
And it made it made it a lot easier because it's like I just did my BLS stuff, you know.

1205
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:15,600
But I mean, I don't really I shouldn't really have an opinion because I don't really ride in the ambulance anymore.

1206
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:23,600
Not that I really don't. I don't. So I just I think if there was more of a clear path to keep like progressing forward,

1207
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:32,600
there's like a longer term goal in mind and it keeps you motivated in the short term, you know, rather than just like just surviving, you know.

1208
02:26:32,600 --> 02:26:49,600
Right. If I can play devil's advocate, though, I think one of the issues we run into in EMS is that the typical EMS call only requires two, maybe three levels of care.

1209
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:56,600
And that is the EMT, the paramedic and maybe a supervisor if it's a greater incident.

1210
02:26:56,600 --> 02:27:03,600
But for most systems, there are really only two job positions and we've been getting away with performing only two job positions.

1211
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:05,600
So they keep us at only two job positions. For sure.

1212
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:10,600
It's not like law enforcement where like the captain might be in charge of, you know,

1213
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:27,600
entire shift group and setting everybody's schedules and zone coverage and whatnot, then lieutenants are, you know, get their little like squadrons assigned to them or like a specialty department of this, you know, the emergency services unit or like a special victims unit.

1214
02:27:27,600 --> 02:27:32,600
And then like the sergeant is like a shift sergeant who makes the decisions for the actual shift.

1215
02:27:32,600 --> 02:27:43,600
There is just not that level of command in the system, because like I said earlier, when we were off camera for most night shift EMS companies, the only rule is just got to do your job.

1216
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:45,600
We all know what we're supposed to do already.

1217
02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:49,600
Decisions don't really have to be made.

1218
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:57,600
So, are you suggesting that we introduce further standards of care?

1219
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:07,600
Well, just like a clear, a clear path to either acquire more education to get out of, say, first response.

1220
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:17,600
So everything you learn, because what's, what's the motivation to like learn more as like a paramedic if you, you have all the skills you need right now to do your job efficiently.

1221
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:20,600
Yeah, I think that's the problem you're alluding to. There's none.

1222
02:28:20,600 --> 02:28:21,600
Right.

1223
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:30,600
So it's like, why no more than you have to know, right, whereas you could go and you could read a book on cardiology, right, if it's going to apply towards something more you're working towards.

1224
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:48,600
So I'm almost willing to, to like entertain the suggestion that like maybe we should start integrating like paramedicine and like nursing, for example, or create some sort of paramedic position that can be integrated into a hospital that's

1225
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:52,600
sure more than just a patient care attack, we could start IVs.

1226
02:28:52,600 --> 02:28:58,600
Sure. And if you got like your paramedic to that you can operate as a paramedic in a hospital.

1227
02:28:58,600 --> 02:28:59,600
Absolutely.

1228
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:01,600
Or exactly what I'm saying.

1229
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:12,600
Or you could like, like urgent care, for example, like you can do the intakes and and like triages and like, administer medication stabilize people at an urgent care.

1230
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:36,600
There's, there's an obvious path out of, see, I think a lot of like the burnout that comes with EMS. It's not just like, it's not, it's not your choice. It's not like, it's, it's physical, it's your body, like shutting off like the dopamine circuit saying, Hey, dude, look, you've been waking up in the middle of the night, going to car accidents and cardiac arrests.

1231
02:29:36,600 --> 02:29:50,600
And like, this is taking a toll on you. Like, we're going to make this not fun. Right. To save, to save, to save your life. Okay, because you don't see it, but your body's doing the math and your brain's like a chemical computer.

1232
02:29:50,600 --> 02:29:54,600
And it's like, yeah, no, shut that down. You know, I think.

1233
02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:55,600
Yep.

1234
02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:56,600
What happened to me?

1235
02:29:56,600 --> 02:30:08,600
Right. Same. It's like, I want, I wish it was like, still as fun as like it used to be to me. I miss that, dude. I wish I, I wish I could get that back.

1236
02:30:08,600 --> 02:30:16,600
But, yeah, where's I going? So I think maybe sometimes, like I envy people who still love it, dude.

1237
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:18,600
I, I, I, I, as do I.

1238
02:30:18,600 --> 02:30:33,600
I assume you still, I don't love it, but I'm sure there's aspects you love of it and aspects of it you hate. But I do enjoy some shifts where you just sleep all night and get paid for it. Those are good.

1239
02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:53,600
And if I could make another suggestion, this, this isn't mine, a friend of mine, we were chatting about it and we just kind of like, like, why do we have school nurses, but not school paramedics? Who is more equipped to respond to a medical emergency on the campus of a school?

1240
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:54,600
Right.

1241
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:55,600
But a paramedic.

1242
02:30:55,600 --> 02:30:56,600
Sure.

1243
02:30:56,600 --> 02:31:17,600
And I know you can say like, well, nurses are responsible for, again, with all due respect to nurses, they're responsible for like maintaining like immunization records and assisting kids with their inhalers when they're having asthma attacks on the playground or, or, or administering EpiPens if little Suzy was exposed to peanut butter.

1244
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:20,600
A nurse can do the same thing as a paramedic in that situation.

1245
02:31:20,600 --> 02:31:22,600
Yeah, but nurses do the same thing.

1246
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:26,600
Right.

1247
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:29,600
I get paid fucking $50 billion a year.

1248
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:40,600
And I just go, Whoa, I'm sad to listen to a fucking doctor.

1249
02:31:40,600 --> 02:31:46,600
I make $40,000 a year I'm on fucking so many cigarettes right now fucking out of my mind.

1250
02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:52,600
I'm like, I'll stab somebody for a fucking sandwich.

1251
02:31:52,600 --> 02:32:02,600
So back to the school environment. If you have a kid like having a seizure, or, you know, God forbid goes into cardiac arrest, you know, get seriously injured.

1252
02:32:02,600 --> 02:32:07,600
Who is more response like who's more equipped to respond to that medical emergency but a paramedic.

1253
02:32:07,600 --> 02:32:08,600
Right.

1254
02:32:08,600 --> 02:32:11,600
By the way, who's that nurse going to call to come take this patient to the hospital.

1255
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:12,600
Sure.

1256
02:32:12,600 --> 02:32:13,600
But a paramedic.

1257
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:16,600
I actually looked into it.

1258
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,600
I actually looked into it.

1259
02:32:16,600 --> 02:32:23,600
Because my, my fiance is a teacher, and they need a new school nurse and I'm like, she's like, why don't you put in for him I didn't know fucking

1260
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:25,600
she's a paramedic go for that she goes.

1261
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:30,600
I looked into it. If you have any amount of medical experience so like,

1262
02:32:30,600 --> 02:32:33,600
I can't verify that information.

1263
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:37,600
Whether a school nurse does not need a nursing degree.

1264
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:41,600
That sounds fishy to me, a school nurse needs some sort of medical certification.

1265
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:44,600
That's what I'm sure it depends on the school.

1266
02:32:44,600 --> 02:32:45,600
Okay.

1267
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:50,600
I don't know if that was also just implied in the job title that you need to be a nurse to apply for this position.

1268
02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:54,600
They didn't say if I went in, I'm just like, you could probably be an LPN.

1269
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:56,600
Yeah, that's probably what I'm thinking.

1270
02:32:56,600 --> 02:33:00,600
And LPN is below a fucking EMT and fucking skill.

1271
02:33:00,600 --> 02:33:02,600
I'd say it's about the same.

1272
02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:10,600
But I guess my point is like that would just be another like thing you can work towards, where like, like if you got hired as like the town of colony.

1273
02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:17,600
Like high school paramedic, and whether there's like one of you guys, two of you guys, but you're just responsible for the entire building.

1274
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:21,600
And you know you get your first in fact you get your cardiac monitor.

1275
02:33:21,600 --> 02:33:26,600
In addition, you could also maintain those immunization records you can also assist the kids with the inhalers.

1276
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:30,600
But if you respond to a medical emergency, you can actually start treating a patient.

1277
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:39,600
You know, some kid breaks their leg during gym class, you can start administering pain medication until you know town of colony and mess gets there.

1278
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:41,600
So like that sort of model.

1279
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:45,600
But like, and I'll take suggestions from the crowd here.

1280
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:48,600
Like what can a school nurse do that a paramedic can?

1281
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:49,600
Right.

1282
02:33:49,600 --> 02:33:54,600
I think that I think there should be a lot, a lot more overlap between nursing and paramedic.

1283
02:33:54,600 --> 02:34:06,600
You know, I think nurses have themselves that says this is such high level that they, what nurses, nurses see themselves as so much better than paramedics.

1284
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:10,600
And I don't see myself better as just a different environment.

1285
02:34:10,600 --> 02:34:16,600
No, you guys see yourselves as better and you treat us as not as equals, but as people below you.

1286
02:34:16,600 --> 02:34:26,600
I just think, you know, nurses in general are just they tend to be, you know, worse people than paramedics.

1287
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:31,600
They nurses just tend to be, you know, they, I, I don't know.

1288
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:33,600
I don't know if there's any nurses in the room.

1289
02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:36,600
All right.

1290
02:34:36,600 --> 02:34:42,600
But like nurses just seem to be like more miserable, even though they're making a lot more money than I am more miserable.

1291
02:34:42,600 --> 02:34:44,600
That's because we have six patients on time all night.

1292
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:50,600
And you guys only have one.

1293
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:51,600
Yeah.

1294
02:34:50,600 --> 02:34:53,600
But even though you're responsible for six patients in a night, it's not only you.

1295
02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:55,600
You have a tech available to you.

1296
02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:56,600
You have housekeeping.

1297
02:34:56,600 --> 02:34:57,600
Not always.

1298
02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:00,600
You have a doctor available to you or a PA or something.

1299
02:35:00,600 --> 02:35:04,600
And you can always call for help and you have more nurses who are sitting right next to you available to you.

1300
02:35:04,600 --> 02:35:07,600
I didn't know this was going to turn into a roast of nurses.

1301
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:08,600
Hold on a second.

1302
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,600
I'm not even against nurses, but I do want to cover this.

1303
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:14,600
In the pre-hospital environment, you are your own janitor.

1304
02:35:14,600 --> 02:35:16,600
You check your own rig.

1305
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:18,600
You do your own supplies.

1306
02:35:18,600 --> 02:35:20,600
You do your own patient care.

1307
02:35:20,600 --> 02:35:22,600
You do your own lifting and moving.

1308
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:29,600
You know, our patients don't come neatly positioned on a stretcher like, oh, you have to take out two blankets out of the underneath.

1309
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:32,600
How dare they?

1310
02:35:32,600 --> 02:35:33,600
How dare they leave two blankets?

1311
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:35,600
I mean, they could just take it out when you get there.

1312
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:40,600
You have security guards who are available to you, ready to keep you safe.

1313
02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:41,600
Like the police.

1314
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:43,600
My security guard is on the right and left.

1315
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:45,600
You can call for help anytime you want to.

1316
02:35:45,600 --> 02:35:47,600
Yeah, but it takes them five minutes to fucking get there.

1317
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:48,600
I had a fucking person.

1318
02:35:48,600 --> 02:35:51,600
I called in on my fucking, hey, hit the panic button.

1319
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:53,600
It said fucking gone.

1320
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:55,600
And then they took them five minutes to get there.

1321
02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:57,600
It takes security five minutes to get to me.

1322
02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:05,600
But my point is like, yes, the work is different, but by no means is being a paramedic easier.

1323
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:07,600
And I know I'm biased.

1324
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:08,600
And I never said it was.

1325
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:09,600
All right.

1326
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:12,600
If you're telling me you don't think so, that's fine.

1327
02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:13,600
But that's just my two cents.

1328
02:36:13,600 --> 02:36:14,600
Yeah.

1329
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:19,600
I think there's a lot of mutual respect, to be honest, between paramedics and nurses.

1330
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:21,600
I think we're just both.

1331
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:22,600
At nurses everywhere.

1332
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:30,600
But to be honest, like attitude doesn't go to school and character doesn't go to school.

1333
02:36:30,600 --> 02:36:32,600
So if you were.

1334
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:34,600
Yeah, intelligence doesn't go to school.

1335
02:36:34,600 --> 02:36:40,600
If you were a terrible person, it doesn't matter which side you went.

1336
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:44,600
If you went to paramedics school as a terrible person, you're going to be a terrible person paramedic.

1337
02:36:44,600 --> 02:36:45,600
Right.

1338
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,600
There's like there's bad medics, right?

1339
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:49,600
There's medics who are bad people and there's cops who are bad people.

1340
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:51,600
There's medics who are extremely good people.

1341
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:53,600
When they get out into the field, they're just.

1342
02:36:53,600 --> 02:36:54,600
Do I think nurses.

1343
02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:58,600
Some medics who go back to patient houses and steal from them.

1344
02:36:58,600 --> 02:37:00,600
I'm not going to touch that.

1345
02:37:00,600 --> 02:37:03,600
I'm not going to touch that.

1346
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:14,600
But I do think that nurses are also in a position where their unprofessional behavior is often excused because of their necessity to the pre-hospital or to the in-hospital care environment.

1347
02:37:14,600 --> 02:37:15,600
Oh, yeah.

1348
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:36,600
And I that I do think that especially like junior nurses will see seniors do it, pick up on it and just continue to cascade a terrible attitude, which will in turn cascade into nobody liking them, which will further generate a negative attitude, which just contains like this negative feedback mechanism of them just being miserable in their job position.

1349
02:37:36,600 --> 02:37:43,600
But if you go to work and smile and ask people how their day was, how your kids were, you know, did you do something fun in your off time?

1350
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:44,600
I hope you got to relax.

1351
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:45,600
I heard you had that bad call.

1352
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:47,600
You know, how you doing from it?

1353
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:51,600
You know, to taking care of others, I really think it's taking care of yourself.

1354
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:55,600
Yeah, it's all about your attitude for either being a medic or a nurse.

1355
02:37:55,600 --> 02:38:01,600
All right, well, now let's measure that bed so that's what really makes me.

1356
02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:03,600
Enough about BLS.

1357
02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:04,600
Well, it's more stories.

1358
02:38:04,600 --> 02:38:07,600
Yeah, it always comes by me.

1359
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:08,600
What do you expect?

1360
02:38:08,600 --> 02:38:12,600
You know, you get three people from four.

1361
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:14,600
Mr. Lundy.

1362
02:38:14,600 --> 02:38:15,600
One, two, three, four.

1363
02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:16,600
Four people from EMS.

1364
02:38:16,600 --> 02:38:17,600
Are you good at trivia?

1365
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:18,600
No.

1366
02:38:18,600 --> 02:38:19,600
No?

1367
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:20,600
Damn it.

1368
02:38:20,600 --> 02:38:22,600
We need someone to take Tyler out.

1369
02:38:22,600 --> 02:38:23,600
What do you order on today?

1370
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:24,600
I don't know.

1371
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:25,600
Geez.

1372
02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:27,600
I'm public like this.

1373
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:28,600
Sorry.

1374
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:31,600
You are currently not offending my old factory sensitive.

1375
02:38:31,600 --> 02:38:32,600
All right, good.

1376
02:38:32,600 --> 02:38:34,600
It makes me feel better.

1377
02:38:34,600 --> 02:38:39,600
Have you ever, have you ever, well, everybody's watched Jeopardy.

1378
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:41,600
But are you familiar with Jeopardy?

1379
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:42,600
I am familiar with Jeopardy.

1380
02:38:42,600 --> 02:38:43,600
All right.

1381
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:44,600
We're going to.

1382
02:38:44,600 --> 02:38:46,600
That was a good talk though, by the way.

1383
02:38:46,600 --> 02:38:47,600
I was.

1384
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:48,600
That was good.

1385
02:38:48,600 --> 02:38:54,600
And by the way, I never said nurses are better than paramedics or anything of the sort.

1386
02:38:54,600 --> 02:38:56,600
You have never said that.

1387
02:38:56,600 --> 02:38:57,600
I have never said that.

1388
02:38:57,600 --> 02:38:59,600
Tyler always says that I say that.

1389
02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:02,600
He does.

1390
02:39:02,600 --> 02:39:04,600
I feel like the insinuation was.

1391
02:39:04,600 --> 02:39:06,600
I think I'm better than everybody.

1392
02:39:06,600 --> 02:39:08,600
Oh yeah, you always think you're better than everybody.

1393
02:39:08,600 --> 02:39:11,600
I'm a nurse.

1394
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:15,600
I know more than you.

1395
02:39:15,600 --> 02:39:17,600
Like being a fucking dweeb.

1396
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:20,600
Jesus Christ.

1397
02:39:20,600 --> 02:39:21,600
All right, it's time to.

1398
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:23,600
We got, we got buzzers and everything.

1399
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:24,600
Wrong.

1400
02:39:24,600 --> 02:39:29,600
Number two.

1401
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:30,600
Are we playing Jeopardy?

1402
02:39:30,600 --> 02:39:33,600
Yeah.

1403
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:35,600
15, 17 billion time where.

1404
02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:41,600
Back to Jeopardy and Alex for back here with your 16 time winner, Tyler.

1405
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:42,600
Thank you.

1406
02:39:42,600 --> 02:39:45,600
Thank you.

1407
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:47,600
Six time winner, Dan, the vitamin man.

1408
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:48,600
Oh yeah.

1409
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:50,600
First time on the show, Linsky.

1410
02:39:50,600 --> 02:39:53,600
Trying to take out Tyler.

1411
02:39:53,600 --> 02:39:55,600
He's a, he's like the grand champion.

1412
02:39:55,600 --> 02:40:02,600
He's the Ken Jennings of the show.

1413
02:40:02,600 --> 02:40:05,600
I hope you have a law section.

1414
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:08,600
I don't have a law.

1415
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:13,600
The awesome is the whole thing was law questions.

1416
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:15,600
Fuck.

1417
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:16,600
All right.

1418
02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:19,600
What do you got for categories there?

1419
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:23,600
For categories, we've got musical atomic elements.

1420
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:25,600
What the fuck does that even mean?

1421
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:27,600
60 songs.

1422
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:29,600
Name that state.

1423
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:33,600
We're going down.

1424
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:37,600
Famous DJs and all about snow.

1425
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:39,600
This is terrible.

1426
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:40,600
Why?

1427
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:42,600
Cause you don't know what every category is.

1428
02:40:42,600 --> 02:40:44,600
Let's let the guests pick the first category.

1429
02:40:44,600 --> 02:40:45,600
All right.

1430
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:46,600
Linsky.

1431
02:40:46,600 --> 02:40:48,600
So you can pick a category.

1432
02:40:48,600 --> 02:40:50,600
Do you?

1433
02:40:50,600 --> 02:40:51,600
The first one.

1434
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:53,600
Musical atomic elements.

1435
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:55,600
I have no idea what that means, but okay.

1436
02:40:55,600 --> 02:40:56,600
200.

1437
02:40:56,600 --> 02:41:00,600
The second category was also the name of a Nirvana song and an evidence of song.

1438
02:41:00,600 --> 02:41:02,600
What is lithium?

1439
02:41:02,600 --> 02:41:08,600
Lithium.

1440
02:41:08,600 --> 02:41:11,600
Uh, 60 songs.

1441
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:12,600
60 songs.

1442
02:41:12,600 --> 02:41:19,600
You got to tell me what this song is by the intro.

1443
02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:20,600
Fuck.

1444
02:41:20,600 --> 02:41:25,600
I know this.

1445
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:29,600
The name's a little bit longer.

1446
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:31,600
What is house of rising sun?

1447
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:38,600
I think, I think you should get that because yeah, I do too.

1448
02:41:38,600 --> 02:41:40,600
I'm not going to have a date.

1449
02:41:40,600 --> 02:41:42,600
He gets that one.

1450
02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:43,600
Yeah, we'll give it to.

1451
02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:44,600
Linsky.

1452
02:41:44,600 --> 02:41:47,600
Cause I only got it cause he said it.

1453
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:49,600
Atomic elements.

1454
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:52,600
Atomic musical elements.

1455
02:41:52,600 --> 02:41:56,600
For 400, this element can be used to clean swimming pools.

1456
02:41:56,600 --> 02:41:58,600
Also a 21 pilots.

1457
02:41:58,600 --> 02:41:59,600
What is chlorine?

1458
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:01,600
Now I, I, you got to look at the numbers.

1459
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:03,600
Oh, I didn't realize that was there.

1460
02:42:03,600 --> 02:42:04,600
Yeah.

1461
02:42:04,600 --> 02:42:05,600
What number am I?

1462
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:06,600
You're a number two.

1463
02:42:06,600 --> 02:42:07,600
Okay.

1464
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:08,600
Yeah.

1465
02:42:08,600 --> 02:42:10,600
So that's, we got to look at the number that does it.

1466
02:42:10,600 --> 02:42:11,600
Okay.

1467
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:14,600
And then chlorine for Tyler.

1468
02:42:14,600 --> 02:42:17,600
What's he doing, buddy?

1469
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:18,600
I wish.

1470
02:42:18,600 --> 02:42:21,600
Let's do atomic numbers.

1471
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:26,600
For 600, this noble gas is commonly used to light up display signs.

1472
02:42:26,600 --> 02:42:27,600
Also.

1473
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:28,600
What is neon?

1474
02:42:28,600 --> 02:42:29,600
John Marison.

1475
02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:30,600
Neon.

1476
02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:31,600
Tyler.

1477
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:32,600
Atomic numbers.

1478
02:42:32,600 --> 02:42:41,600
For 800, if Ozzy had been a chemist, this element in the song's title would be called

1479
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:42,600
F E man.

1480
02:42:42,600 --> 02:42:44,600
What is iron man?

1481
02:42:44,600 --> 02:42:45,600
Jesus.

1482
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:46,600
Iron.

1483
02:42:46,600 --> 02:42:47,600
Tyler.

1484
02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:51,600
How many do I got?

1485
02:42:51,600 --> 02:42:53,600
Do I got any left in that?

1486
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:54,600
Yeah.

1487
02:42:54,600 --> 02:42:55,600
One.

1488
02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:56,600
Yeah.

1489
02:42:56,600 --> 02:42:57,600
I'll do that.

1490
02:42:57,600 --> 02:42:58,600
A thousand Neil Young's heart is made of this element.

1491
02:42:58,600 --> 02:43:01,600
According to the 1972 song.

1492
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:02,600
Gold.

1493
02:43:02,600 --> 02:43:03,600
Yes.

1494
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:04,600
All right.

1495
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:05,600
Okay.

1496
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:06,600
All right.

1497
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:09,600
You got 60 songs.

1498
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:11,600
We're going down.

1499
02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:14,600
Famous DJs and all about snow.

1500
02:43:14,600 --> 02:43:15,600
200.

1501
02:43:15,600 --> 02:43:24,600
This 1982 British TV film featured the song we're walking in the air.

1502
02:43:24,600 --> 02:43:27,600
British TV film.

1503
02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:29,600
No.

1504
02:43:29,600 --> 02:43:32,600
The snowman.

1505
02:43:32,600 --> 02:43:37,600
What do you think?

1506
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:39,600
It's now.

1507
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:40,600
400.

1508
02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:45,600
Jon Snow is a character in this fantasy TV.

1509
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:46,600
Correct.

1510
02:43:46,600 --> 02:43:49,600
At least I'm not in the negative.

1511
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:53,600
I go back to 60s.

1512
02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:56,600
60 songs for 400.

1513
02:43:56,600 --> 02:44:01,600
You guys here?

1514
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:04,600
No.

1515
02:44:04,600 --> 02:44:11,600
I'm going to go to the negative.

1516
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:13,600
It's good too far.

1517
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:15,600
What is space?

1518
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:17,600
Oh, no, that's wrong.

1519
02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:19,600
It's not.

1520
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:21,600
No.

1521
02:44:21,600 --> 02:44:22,600
Wait.

1522
02:44:22,600 --> 02:44:24,600
No, wait.

1523
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:26,600
No, that was right.

1524
02:44:26,600 --> 02:44:28,600
Anyone else?

1525
02:44:28,600 --> 02:44:31,600
No, that's definitely right.

1526
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:34,600
This is a city.

1527
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:35,600
Odyssey.

1528
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:36,600
You fuck.

1529
02:44:36,600 --> 02:44:39,600
God damn it.

1530
02:44:39,600 --> 02:44:40,600
Perfect.

1531
02:44:40,600 --> 02:44:41,600
Whatever.

1532
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:43,600
Fucking 60 songs.

1533
02:44:43,600 --> 02:44:44,600
Fuck it.

1534
02:44:44,600 --> 02:44:54,600
600.

1535
02:44:54,600 --> 02:44:57,600
Oh, my God.

1536
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:02,340
What is Black Dog by

1537
02:45:02,340 --> 02:45:05,600
What's Happening?

1538
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:06,600
No.

1539
02:45:06,600 --> 02:45:07,600
Anyone?

1540
02:45:07,600 --> 02:45:08,600
A Lotta Love.

1541
02:45:08,600 --> 02:45:10,600
God damn it.

1542
02:45:10,600 --> 02:45:11,600
60 songs.

1543
02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:16,600
For 800.

1544
02:45:16,600 --> 02:45:17,600
California Dreaming.

1545
02:45:17,600 --> 02:45:18,600
Oh, yeah.

1546
02:45:18,600 --> 02:45:19,600
All right.

1547
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:20,600
Okay.

1548
02:45:20,600 --> 02:45:23,600
We got a competition here.

1549
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:25,600
Mr. Lundy's back.

1550
02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:28,600
60 songs.

1551
02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:34,600
For a thousand.

1552
02:45:34,600 --> 02:45:37,600
Fuck.

1553
02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:38,600
Love Shrine.

1554
02:45:38,600 --> 02:45:39,600
What's that?

1555
02:45:39,600 --> 02:45:40,600
Love Shrine.

1556
02:45:40,600 --> 02:45:41,600
No.

1557
02:45:41,600 --> 02:45:42,600
No.

1558
02:45:42,600 --> 02:45:44,600
What is respect?

1559
02:45:44,600 --> 02:45:45,600
Oh, yeah.

1560
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:46,600
Jesus fucking.

1561
02:45:46,600 --> 02:45:47,600
Tyler.

1562
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:48,600
Thanks.

1563
02:45:48,600 --> 02:45:49,600
Was that a thousand?

1564
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:50,600
That was a thousand.

1565
02:45:50,600 --> 02:45:51,600
What are the other songs?

1566
02:45:51,600 --> 02:45:56,600
Name that state we're going down.

1567
02:45:56,600 --> 02:45:59,600
Famous DJs and All About Snow.

1568
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:00,600
Famous DJs.

1569
02:46:00,600 --> 02:46:01,600
All right.

1570
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:02,600
For 200.

1571
02:46:02,600 --> 02:46:07,600
This Miami Beast DJ is also a hype man, record producer and record executive.

1572
02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:09,600
Despite his personal...

1573
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:11,600
What is DJ Khaled?

1574
02:46:11,600 --> 02:46:14,600
DJ Khaled.

1575
02:46:14,600 --> 02:46:15,600
DJs.

1576
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:18,600
For 100.

1577
02:46:18,600 --> 02:46:22,600
One might take a pill in Ibiza to show this DJ that they're cool.

1578
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:23,600
God damn it.

1579
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:24,600
Fuck.

1580
02:46:24,600 --> 02:46:26,600
That was Adam the Negative, right?

1581
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:29,600
No, not yet.

1582
02:46:29,600 --> 02:46:30,600
Dance Fig.

1583
02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:31,600
Ah, DJs.

1584
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:32,600
Fuck.

1585
02:46:32,600 --> 02:46:33,600
For 600.

1586
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:37,600
This EDM DJ took off in 2014 with his hit single Animals.

1587
02:46:37,600 --> 02:46:38,600
Oh, God.

1588
02:46:38,600 --> 02:46:39,600
Ah, fuck.

1589
02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:40,600
I know this.

1590
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:41,600
Fuck.

1591
02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:42,600
Is it...

1592
02:46:42,600 --> 02:46:43,600
I don't...

1593
02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:44,600
It starts with something.

1594
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:45,600
Yeah, I know it.

1595
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:48,600
It'll be Martin Garrix.

1596
02:46:48,600 --> 02:46:49,600
Fuck.

1597
02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:50,600
Fuck.

1598
02:46:50,600 --> 02:46:51,600
Dance Fig.

1599
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:52,600
Snow.

1600
02:46:52,600 --> 02:46:53,600
Snow for 600.

1601
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:56,600
President Snow ruled Panem in this film.

1602
02:46:56,600 --> 02:46:59,600
What is the Hunger Games?

1603
02:46:59,600 --> 02:47:00,600
Hunger Games.

1604
02:47:00,600 --> 02:47:01,600
He didn't even...

1605
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:02,600
There wasn't even...

1606
02:47:02,600 --> 02:47:03,600
There's three words.

1607
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:04,600
He said President Snow.

1608
02:47:04,600 --> 02:47:09,600
President Snow is fucking a very high character in Hunger Games.

1609
02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:10,600
Tyler Speck.

1610
02:47:10,600 --> 02:47:11,600
Ah, fuck.

1611
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:12,600
DJs.

1612
02:47:12,600 --> 02:47:13,600
See what I'm dealing with here?

1613
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:16,600
DJs for 800.

1614
02:47:16,600 --> 02:47:21,600
What's the scores, everybody?

1615
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:22,600
3400.

1616
02:47:22,600 --> 02:47:23,600
Linsky got 1000.

1617
02:47:23,600 --> 02:47:27,840
Dan's got negative 200.

1618
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:29,600
How much is this question normally worth?

1619
02:47:29,600 --> 02:47:30,600
800.

1620
02:47:30,600 --> 02:47:31,600
I think 800.

1621
02:47:31,600 --> 02:47:32,600
800.

1622
02:47:32,600 --> 02:47:35,600
This Dutch DJ is considered the godfather of EDM.

1623
02:47:35,600 --> 02:47:37,600
Dutch DJ.

1624
02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:38,600
Fuck.

1625
02:47:38,600 --> 02:47:43,600
Who's DJ?

1626
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:48,600
I'm just gonna go with...

1627
02:47:48,600 --> 02:47:51,600
No, it's not Daft Punk.

1628
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:54,600
I'm gonna go with Tiesto.

1629
02:47:54,600 --> 02:47:55,600
It's not him.

1630
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:56,600
I know it's not.

1631
02:47:56,600 --> 02:47:57,600
It's Tiesto.

1632
02:47:57,600 --> 02:47:58,600
That's correct.

1633
02:47:58,600 --> 02:47:59,600
Yeah.

1634
02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:00,600
Wow.

1635
02:48:00,600 --> 02:48:03,600
That would have been my guess.

1636
02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:04,600
Tyler Speck.

1637
02:48:04,600 --> 02:48:05,600
All right.

1638
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:06,600
Fucking DJs.

1639
02:48:06,600 --> 02:48:07,600
Close it out.

1640
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:08,600
DJ for 1000.

1641
02:48:08,600 --> 02:48:12,600
This dubstep DJ's real name is Sonny John Moore.

1642
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:13,600
What is Skrillex?

1643
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:14,600
Skrillex.

1644
02:48:14,600 --> 02:48:17,600
Oh, what a runaway.

1645
02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:20,600
Tyler got snow.

1646
02:48:20,600 --> 02:48:22,360
Name that state and we're going down.

1647
02:48:22,360 --> 02:48:23,360
We're going down.

1648
02:48:23,360 --> 02:48:26,240
We're going down for 200.

1649
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:32,720
This plane crash named after a Spanish city killed 583 people in 1977 when a Boeing 747

1650
02:48:32,720 --> 02:48:41,040
collided with a Pan Am 747 in the Canary Islands.

1651
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:44,040
No, I don't know.

1652
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:45,040
No?

1653
02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:46,040
Tenerife.

1654
02:48:46,040 --> 02:48:47,040
All right.

1655
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:50,040
What are the other ones again?

1656
02:48:50,040 --> 02:48:51,040
It was the most...

1657
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,080
It was the deadliest plane crash in history.

1658
02:48:53,080 --> 02:48:54,080
Damn.

1659
02:48:54,080 --> 02:48:55,080
What are the other ones?

1660
02:48:55,080 --> 02:48:56,520
Name that state.

1661
02:48:56,520 --> 02:48:57,520
All About Snow.

1662
02:48:57,520 --> 02:48:58,520
Oh, that's...

1663
02:48:58,520 --> 02:48:59,520
Name...

1664
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:00,520
Oh, that's state.

1665
02:49:00,520 --> 02:49:03,040
State for 200.

1666
02:49:03,040 --> 02:49:07,640
Yeah, 50, 200.

1667
02:49:07,640 --> 02:49:08,640
Dundee's got a thousand.

1668
02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:09,640
Yep.

1669
02:49:09,640 --> 02:49:10,640
And you got negative two.

1670
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:11,640
Negative 200.

1671
02:49:11,640 --> 02:49:14,640
I'll do 500.

1672
02:49:14,640 --> 02:49:15,640
500.

1673
02:49:15,640 --> 02:49:20,360
Nancy Pelosi represents this state in the House of Representatives.

1674
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:21,360
California.

1675
02:49:21,360 --> 02:49:22,360
What is California?

1676
02:49:22,360 --> 02:49:24,760
Oh, yeah.

1677
02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:28,360
Name that state.

1678
02:49:28,360 --> 02:49:30,840
Name that state for 400.

1679
02:49:30,840 --> 02:49:35,240
Besides its most populous city, other cities in the state include Lafayette, Bossier City,

1680
02:49:35,240 --> 02:49:36,240
and Baton Rouge.

1681
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:37,240
What is Louisiana?

1682
02:49:37,240 --> 02:49:38,240
Oh, yeah.

1683
02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:39,240
Out of the negative.

1684
02:49:39,240 --> 02:49:40,240
200, baby.

1685
02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:41,240
Dance pick.

1686
02:49:41,240 --> 02:49:42,240
Me and the state.

1687
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:43,240
600.

1688
02:49:43,240 --> 02:49:44,240
As Dorothy says, we're not in this state.

1689
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:45,240
What is Kansas?

1690
02:49:45,240 --> 02:49:46,240
Fucking goddamn...

1691
02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:47,240
Too fast.

1692
02:49:47,240 --> 02:49:48,240
Name that state.

1693
02:49:48,240 --> 02:50:00,040
800.

1694
02:50:00,040 --> 02:50:05,360
This state is known as the land of 10,000 lakes.

1695
02:50:05,360 --> 02:50:06,360
What is Michigan?

1696
02:50:06,360 --> 02:50:07,360
Nope.

1697
02:50:07,360 --> 02:50:08,360
10,000 lakes.

1698
02:50:08,360 --> 02:50:09,360
What is Florida?

1699
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:10,360
Nope.

1700
02:50:10,360 --> 02:50:11,360
Fuck it.

1701
02:50:11,360 --> 02:50:12,360
I didn't even like that.

1702
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:19,360
Nope.

1703
02:50:19,360 --> 02:50:22,880
Minnesota.

1704
02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:25,000
Oh, fuck.

1705
02:50:25,000 --> 02:50:26,640
Tyler's pick.

1706
02:50:26,640 --> 02:50:27,640
State.

1707
02:50:27,640 --> 02:50:31,600
For 1,000, the least populous US state.

1708
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:32,960
Alaska.

1709
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:34,640
No.

1710
02:50:34,640 --> 02:50:37,640
What is Rhode Island?

1711
02:50:37,640 --> 02:50:39,440
Rhode Island?

1712
02:50:39,440 --> 02:50:40,440
No.

1713
02:50:40,440 --> 02:50:41,440
What state is it?

1714
02:50:41,440 --> 02:50:42,440
Hawaii?

1715
02:50:42,440 --> 02:50:43,440
You buzzing in?

1716
02:50:43,440 --> 02:50:44,440
Hawaii?

1717
02:50:44,440 --> 02:50:45,440
No.

1718
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:46,440
What is it?

1719
02:50:46,440 --> 02:50:47,440
Anyone else?

1720
02:50:47,440 --> 02:50:48,440
Wyoming.

1721
02:50:48,440 --> 02:50:49,440
Who fucking cares about Wyoming?

1722
02:50:49,440 --> 02:50:50,440
Fuck Wyoming.

1723
02:50:50,440 --> 02:50:51,440
Oh damn, my whole Jeopardy thing just fucking shut down.

1724
02:50:51,440 --> 02:50:52,440
Oh, restart.

1725
02:50:52,440 --> 02:50:53,440
Restart.

1726
02:50:53,440 --> 02:50:54,440
Oh, you've got some scores.

1727
02:50:54,440 --> 02:50:55,440
Tyler's pick.

1728
02:50:55,440 --> 02:51:12,680
So what's the scores now?

1729
02:51:12,680 --> 02:51:21,920
You got 4,500, once you got negative 1,000, Dan's got negative 600.

1730
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:23,240
How many states do we got left?

1731
02:51:23,240 --> 02:51:24,240
Zero?

1732
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:25,240
No, no states.

1733
02:51:25,240 --> 02:51:26,240
Oh, god damn.

1734
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:27,240
Fucking, I'll do, let it snow.

1735
02:51:27,240 --> 02:51:28,240
Let it lay tits now.

1736
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:29,240
All about snow.

1737
02:51:29,240 --> 02:51:30,240
800.

1738
02:51:30,240 --> 02:51:36,240
Based on a German fairy tale, this 1937 Disney film features a princess and her work in the

1739
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:37,240
custom lake.

1740
02:51:37,240 --> 02:51:38,240
What does snow look like?

1741
02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:39,240
Dan, I like it.

1742
02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:40,240
Oh, you got a negative.

1743
02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:41,240
More than negative 1?

1744
02:51:41,240 --> 02:51:42,240
Yeah, 200.

1745
02:51:42,240 --> 02:51:43,240
Yes.

1746
02:51:43,240 --> 02:51:44,240
Yes.

1747
02:51:44,240 --> 02:51:45,240
You got snow.

1748
02:51:45,240 --> 02:51:46,240
4,500 to...

1749
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:47,240
To 200.

1750
02:51:47,240 --> 02:51:48,240
Jesus.

1751
02:51:48,240 --> 02:51:57,160
Guys are so fly.

1752
02:51:57,160 --> 02:52:01,200
We're going down and all about snow.

1753
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:02,200
We're going down.

1754
02:52:02,200 --> 02:52:03,200
For 400.

1755
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:04,200
Daily double.

1756
02:52:04,200 --> 02:52:05,200
You can bet up to 1,000.

1757
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:06,200
What do I have?

1758
02:52:06,200 --> 02:52:07,200
600?

1759
02:52:07,200 --> 02:52:08,200
200.

1760
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:09,200
Oh, I have 200.

1761
02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:10,200
Well, I mean zero is better than, how about we do 100,000.

1762
02:52:10,200 --> 02:52:23,200
199.

1763
02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:27,080
A B-52 bomber collided with this New York building in 1945.

1764
02:52:27,080 --> 02:52:30,080
I don't have to buzz in, but it's the Empire State Building.

1765
02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:31,080
Yeah.

1766
02:52:31,080 --> 02:52:32,080
All right.

1767
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:33,080
Should have bet 1,000.

1768
02:52:33,080 --> 02:52:38,080
Oh, I can take, well, I don't want to go back in the negative.

1769
02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:39,080
That's right.

1770
02:52:39,080 --> 02:52:40,080
We're going down.

1771
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:41,080
600.

1772
02:52:41,080 --> 02:52:46,080
Country roads took this singer home in 1997.

1773
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:47,080
It's John Denver.

1774
02:52:47,080 --> 02:52:50,080
When he was killed piloting a light aircraft.

1775
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:53,080
John fucking Denver.

1776
02:52:53,080 --> 02:52:56,080
John Denver, Tyler.

1777
02:52:56,080 --> 02:53:00,080
Does snow have any left?

1778
02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:01,080
Yeah, 1,000.

1779
02:53:01,080 --> 02:53:02,080
We'll do that.

1780
02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:07,320
According to Urban Dictionary, this is someone who is easily hurt or offended by the statements

1781
02:53:07,320 --> 02:53:08,320
of...

1782
02:53:08,320 --> 02:53:09,320
Snowflake.

1783
02:53:09,320 --> 02:53:10,320
Dan's pick.

1784
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:11,320
We're going down.

1785
02:53:11,320 --> 02:53:12,320
We're going down.

1786
02:53:12,320 --> 02:53:15,320
For 800, three members of this band were killed in Mississippi plane crash in 1977.

1787
02:53:15,320 --> 02:53:16,320
Oh fuck.

1788
02:53:16,320 --> 02:53:17,320
Oh fuck.

1789
02:53:17,320 --> 02:53:18,320
What the fuck.

1790
02:53:18,320 --> 02:53:19,320
Fuck, dude.

1791
02:53:19,320 --> 02:53:20,320
Fuck.

1792
02:53:20,320 --> 02:53:21,320
I know this.

1793
02:53:21,320 --> 02:53:22,320
How many points is it?

1794
02:53:22,320 --> 02:53:23,320
800.

1795
02:53:23,320 --> 02:53:24,320
800?

1796
02:53:24,320 --> 02:53:25,320
Yeah.

1797
02:53:25,320 --> 02:53:26,320
800.

1798
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:27,320
800.

1799
02:53:27,320 --> 02:53:28,320
800.

1800
02:53:28,320 --> 02:53:39,320
Yeah.

1801
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:42,320
So I could lose 800 and how much should I have?

1802
02:53:42,320 --> 02:53:43,320
1399.

1803
02:53:43,320 --> 02:53:44,320
1399.

1804
02:53:44,320 --> 02:53:47,320
What year was it?

1805
02:53:47,320 --> 02:53:48,320
1977.

1806
02:53:48,320 --> 02:53:50,000
Three members of the band were killed in that.

1807
02:53:50,000 --> 02:53:51,000
What is Leonard Skinner?

1808
02:53:51,000 --> 02:53:52,000
Yup.

1809
02:53:52,000 --> 02:53:53,000
Fuck.

1810
02:53:53,000 --> 02:53:54,000
Damn.

1811
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:55,000
God damn it.

1812
02:53:55,000 --> 02:53:57,000
Were you going to say that?

1813
02:53:57,000 --> 02:53:58,000
Yeah.

1814
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:01,920
And finally for a thousand, call sign for the plane that hit the North Tower of the World

1815
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:10,040
Trade Center on September 11th, 2001.

1816
02:54:10,040 --> 02:54:11,040
Say seven North.

1817
02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:13,840
Which one went down first?

1818
02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:17,200
I'm not helping you.

1819
02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:21,560
I call sign for the plane that hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center on September

1820
02:54:21,560 --> 02:54:22,560
11th.

1821
02:54:22,560 --> 02:54:29,960
I know 93 is the one that went down in Pennsylvania.

1822
02:54:29,960 --> 02:54:30,960
No.

1823
02:54:30,960 --> 02:54:31,960
We're timed out.

1824
02:54:31,960 --> 02:54:32,960
American 11.

1825
02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:33,960
They know that.

1826
02:54:33,960 --> 02:54:34,960
All right.

1827
02:54:34,960 --> 02:54:35,960
Final Jeopardy.

1828
02:54:35,960 --> 02:54:36,960
Todd's got 5900.

1829
02:54:36,960 --> 02:54:37,960
Dan's got 1599 or 1399.

1830
02:54:37,960 --> 02:54:38,960
Lundy's got negative 1000.

1831
02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:39,960
I'm going to say you're going to bet it all, sir.

1832
02:54:39,960 --> 02:54:54,960
I don't know how I'm supposed to know these guys.

1833
02:54:54,960 --> 02:54:57,960
All right.

1834
02:54:57,960 --> 02:55:01,200
I'm going to give you a final Jeopardy question.

1835
02:55:01,200 --> 02:55:05,280
You got to text me your answer.

1836
02:55:05,280 --> 02:55:08,160
They're texting us their wager.

1837
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:17,800
What was the category?

1838
02:55:17,800 --> 02:55:18,800
Finance.

1839
02:55:18,800 --> 02:55:19,800
I don't know.

1840
02:55:19,800 --> 02:55:20,800
I don't know.

1841
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:38,520
I'm shivering over here.

1842
02:55:38,520 --> 02:55:42,800
All right.

1843
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:43,800
I got your wagers.

1844
02:55:43,800 --> 02:55:44,800
The question.

1845
02:55:44,800 --> 02:55:46,400
Text me your answer.

1846
02:55:46,400 --> 02:56:09,440
The largest Walmart in the U.S. is located in this city.

1847
02:56:09,440 --> 02:56:10,440
I like it.

1848
02:56:10,440 --> 02:56:12,960
Klincky said Albany, New York.

1849
02:56:12,960 --> 02:56:15,360
That's correct.

1850
02:56:15,360 --> 02:56:21,440
Still that negative 1000.

1851
02:56:21,440 --> 02:56:22,440
Dan said Albany.

1852
02:56:22,440 --> 02:56:23,440
He bet 1398.

1853
02:56:23,440 --> 02:56:31,440
He's got up there at like 2700.

1854
02:56:31,440 --> 02:56:33,240
Tyler also said Albany.

1855
02:56:33,240 --> 02:56:36,240
He bet 100.

1856
02:56:36,240 --> 02:56:38,760
$6000.

1857
02:56:38,760 --> 02:56:42,240
Tyler wins.

1858
02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:53,160
I just don't know how you're supposed to know this.

1859
02:56:53,160 --> 02:56:58,520
So you said the category is fine.

1860
02:56:58,520 --> 02:57:02,880
I don't know how to put a category on that.

1861
02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:03,880
economics, capitalism.

1862
02:57:03,880 --> 02:57:04,880
Thank you for being on, sir.

1863
02:57:04,880 --> 02:57:05,880
Absolutely.

1864
02:57:05,880 --> 02:57:06,880
My pleasure.

1865
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:12,840
What's that number 17?

1866
02:57:12,840 --> 02:57:16,840
To talk to somebody intelligent.

1867
02:57:16,840 --> 02:57:19,840
I'm not sure.

1868
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:20,840
Hey.

1869
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:21,840
That's good.

1870
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:22,840
Maybe get a trivia.

1871
02:57:22,840 --> 02:57:25,320
So what did Jeff want to say about prison?

1872
02:57:25,320 --> 02:57:28,320
Oh, well, he's intelligent, too.

1873
02:57:28,320 --> 02:57:29,320
Oh, no.

1874
02:57:29,320 --> 02:57:35,800
He's just, you want me to tell this story that somebody told at one of my old workplaces

1875
02:57:35,800 --> 02:57:37,560
about how like prison works.

1876
02:57:37,560 --> 02:57:42,320
So I used to work with this guy, Frankie, who got shot a few times in the stomach doing

1877
02:57:42,320 --> 02:57:43,800
a drug deal.

1878
02:57:43,800 --> 02:57:46,440
And he said, did some time in the state penitentiary.

1879
02:57:46,440 --> 02:57:52,320
And he said that when the bosses would pull up to the penitentiary, the guys would go

1880
02:57:52,320 --> 02:57:57,520
off front and they'd take their pick for who was going to be their new bitch.

1881
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:04,360
And so he said that there's this one bralic dude that was looking at the boss and saw

1882
02:58:04,360 --> 02:58:06,320
this scrawny little white dude come in.

1883
02:58:06,320 --> 02:58:09,080
He's like, that one's mine.

1884
02:58:09,080 --> 02:58:13,960
So the first time this dude comes in, he gets in a fight with the guy.

1885
02:58:13,960 --> 02:58:16,160
And he's like, yo, get the fuck off of me, bro.

1886
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:21,320
Sorry to make this the last thing we talk about, bring it down to this degenerate level.

1887
02:58:21,320 --> 02:58:23,320
So they got in a fight.

1888
02:58:23,320 --> 02:58:25,680
And he's like, bro, what the fuck do you want from me?

1889
02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:27,600
Get the fuck away from me.

1890
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:33,040
And he said within 24 hours, that little scrawny white dude was sitting on this dude's lap

1891
02:58:33,040 --> 02:58:34,680
playing fucking PlayStation 2.

1892
02:58:34,680 --> 02:58:37,600
And it just turned out, just like that.

1893
02:58:37,600 --> 02:58:42,440
And he wanted me to tell that story because it's just like, dude, that's how it works

1894
02:58:42,440 --> 02:58:43,760
in prison, bro.

1895
02:58:43,760 --> 02:58:44,760
You think about that.

1896
02:58:44,760 --> 02:58:49,600
If you're going to commit a crime or something, you decide that this is going to be like,

1897
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:54,080
you want to rob a bank or something, do you think within 24 hours they get into the state

1898
02:58:54,080 --> 02:58:55,080
penitentiary?

1899
02:58:55,080 --> 02:58:57,200
You can be playing Spyro, the angry dude.

1900
02:58:57,200 --> 02:59:00,040
If you want to sit on some other dude's lap that's bigger than you playing PlayStation

1901
02:59:00,040 --> 02:59:01,040
2.

1902
02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:03,800
If you want to play a game that's a go-go something, think about that.

1903
02:59:03,800 --> 02:59:04,800
Yeah.

1904
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:05,800
It's so funny.

1905
02:59:05,800 --> 02:59:06,800
Yeah.

1906
02:59:06,800 --> 02:59:07,800
It's playing PlayStation 2.

1907
02:59:07,800 --> 02:59:08,800
Playing PlayStation 2, yeah.

1908
02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:11,800
I hope it at least was a good game.

1909
02:59:11,800 --> 02:59:12,800
What's that?

1910
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:13,800
I hope it at least was a good game.

1911
02:59:13,800 --> 02:59:16,800
Dude, that's probably per app of the rapper.

1912
02:59:16,800 --> 02:59:20,800
Damn dude, I'm doing the ugly head, dude.

1913
02:59:20,800 --> 02:59:22,800
You doing the ugly head.

1914
02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:23,800
All right.

1915
02:59:23,800 --> 02:59:27,480
Well, thank you for listening to Untitled Podcast.

1916
02:59:27,480 --> 02:59:30,760
Email us your legal questions for a lawyer.

1917
02:59:30,760 --> 02:59:33,120
Untitled Podcast 73 at gmail.com.

1918
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:34,760
None of this is legal advice.

1919
02:59:34,760 --> 02:59:38,880
I'm going to for you to use some legal questions.

1920
02:59:38,880 --> 02:59:44,800
If we pay a return fee, is it qualified as legal advice?

1921
02:59:44,800 --> 02:59:46,580
Absolutely not.

1922
02:59:46,580 --> 02:59:52,000
I'd like us on Facebook and X and as always, be kind to yourselves.

1923
02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:53,000
Any time.

1924
02:59:53,000 --> 02:59:54,000
We out.

1925
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:55,000
That was cute.

1926
02:59:55,000 --> 02:59:58,000
For all we know, robots have souls.

1927
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:02,320
We just don't know if they do or don't.

1928
03:00:02,320 --> 03:00:04,360
How do you know?

1929
03:00:04,360 --> 03:00:10,080
Have you ever been a cyborg or a robot?

1930
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:12,680
You think we were the first ones to inhabit this planet?

1931
03:00:12,680 --> 03:00:13,680
Yeah.

1932
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:14,680
Fuck no.

1933
03:00:14,680 --> 03:00:15,680
This is a little dubby stack, right?

1934
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:16,680
No, no.

1935
03:00:16,680 --> 03:00:19,680
We are jumping down this fucking rabbit hole.

1936
03:00:19,680 --> 03:00:20,680
Yes, we are.

1937
03:00:20,680 --> 03:00:23,680
There's people out there with some really dumb thoughts.

1938
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:26,680
I wonder if y'all got the game.

1939
03:00:26,680 --> 03:00:27,680
Extended episodes.

1940
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:28,680
I hope you guys love those.

1941
03:00:28,680 --> 03:00:29,680
Where the fuck did Stonehenge come from?

1942
03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:30,680
You're telling me that they didn't die and become ghosts?

1943
03:00:30,680 --> 03:00:31,680
They're killing all the already born babies and selling them to the Chinese.

1944
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:32,680
Fuck the Green Manes.

1945
03:00:32,680 --> 03:00:33,680
Somewhere in China, in some base, there are super soldiers that are at least 9 or 10 feet

1946
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:34,680
tall.

1947
03:00:34,680 --> 03:00:35,680
I'm talking about the Crescent.

1948
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:36,680
They have dread, they're super soldiers.

1949
03:00:36,680 --> 03:00:37,680
Then they are extraterrestrials, they are aliens.

1950
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:38,680
What the fuck is going on?

1951
03:00:38,680 --> 03:00:39,680
What is going on?

1952
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:40,680
I don't know.

1953
03:00:40,680 --> 03:00:41,680
I don't know.

1954
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:42,680
I don't know.

1955
03:00:42,680 --> 03:00:43,680
I don't know.

1956
03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:44,680
I don't know.

1957
03:00:44,680 --> 03:00:45,680
I don't know.

1958
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:46,680
I don't know.

1959
03:00:46,680 --> 03:00:47,680
I don't know.

1960
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:48,680
I don't know.

1961
03:00:48,680 --> 03:00:49,680
I don't know.

1962
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:50,680
I don't know.

1963
03:00:50,680 --> 03:00:57,680
I don't know.

1964
03:00:57,680 --> 03:01:04,680
I don't know.

1965
03:01:04,680 --> 03:01:13,680
I don't know.

1966
03:01:13,680 --> 03:01:20,680
I don't know.

1967
03:01:20,680 --> 03:01:25,680
I don't know.

1968
03:01:25,680 --> 03:01:32,680
I don't know.

1969
03:01:32,680 --> 03:01:37,680
I don't know.

1970
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:44,680
I don't know.

1971
03:01:44,680 --> 03:01:49,680
I don't know.

1972
03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:56,680
I don't know.

1973
03:01:56,680 --> 03:02:03,680
I don't know.

1974
03:02:03,680 --> 03:02:10,680
I don't know.

1975
03:02:33,680 --> 03:02:40,680
I don't know.

1976
03:02:40,680 --> 03:02:45,680
I don't know.

1977
03:02:45,680 --> 03:02:52,680
I don't know.

1978
03:02:52,680 --> 03:02:59,680
I don't know.

1979
03:02:59,680 --> 03:03:06,680
I don't know.

1980
03:03:06,680 --> 03:03:13,680
I don't know.

1981
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:22,680
I don't know.

1982
03:03:22,680 --> 03:03:29,680
I don't know.

1983
03:03:52,680 --> 03:03:59,680
I don't know.

1984
03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:06,680
I don't know.

1985
03:04:06,680 --> 03:04:13,680
I don't know.

1986
03:04:13,680 --> 03:04:20,680
I don't know.