1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Welcome to Students Incorporated, a podcast where we dive into relevant topics and issues 2 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,600 related to the world of business, technology, education and design. 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,600 I'm your host, Mr. Jason. 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,980 Episodes include student conversations, interviews with thought leaders, and inspirational stories 5 00:00:29,980 --> 00:00:31,980 with an international flavor. 6 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:35,920 This podcast is created and produced with the help of students from the International 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Community School of Bangkok. 8 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:51,800 In today's episode, we'll be talking about forensics, how we can learn from crime and 9 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,400 share some funny crime stories. 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,320 I'm joined by our guest, Mrs. Debbie, and our co-host, Lion and Linda. 11 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,600 But before we jump into our quote of the day and headline news, here are some interesting 12 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,760 statistics about True Crime Podcasts. 13 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,120 True Crime is one of the most popular genres on Spotify. 14 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,840 Apple Podcasts platform has over 200 shows listed under this genre. 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,840 According to Podchaser, 61% of True Crime Podcast listeners are women. 16 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,080 The majority of listeners are located in the United States, the UK, Canada, Australia, 17 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,160 Ireland, Brazil, India, and the Philippines. 18 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,040 And finally, this topic is so popular that Cosmopolitan magazine published an article 19 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,600 titled the 50 Best True Crime Podcasts to Listen To in 2023. 20 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,680 Needless to say, True Crime captures our attention. 21 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,040 Okay, moving on, it's time to hear our quote of the day and get some headline news. 22 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Our quote of the day comes from Elizabeth Fry. 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:02:12,480 She said, since this is an episode about crime, we will be following the adventures of some 24 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,200 of the world's funniest criminals and for this new segment, the focus will be on a few 25 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,400 bizarre stories about men from Florida. 26 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,880 A man from Florida was arrested for an assault with a deadly weapon for throwing a 3.5-foot 27 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,280 alligator through a fast food restaurant window. 28 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,200 He ordered a drink, threw the alligator and drove away. 29 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,080 Fortunately, no one was injured. 30 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,920 And another man from Florida left in the middle of his trial to go to lunch. 31 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:38,520 Court records show he never returned to his trial. 32 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,920 As a result, his bond has been revoked. 33 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:45,400 And finally, another man from Florida was recently arrested after slapping another person 34 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,000 with a piece of pizza. 35 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Evidence showed the pizza victim had pizza sauce on her shirt collar and it was also 36 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,720 on the ceiling in the house. 37 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,720 Thank you for the quote and headline news. 38 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Let's jump into our first segment with Mrs. Debbie about the subject of forensics, science, 39 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,120 education and crime. 40 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Welcome to the podcast. 41 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,440 We're really excited to have you on this episode. 42 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,560 Could you please introduce yourself and tell us what led you to your interest in forensic 43 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,560 science? 44 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,800 Well, actually, my name is Miss Debbie. 45 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,800 And what led me is when I was 46, actually, I went back to college and God had told me 46 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,520 to study chemistry. 47 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,000 And I didn't even know how to spell chemistry, basically. 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,160 So I went in and I started taking chemistry classes, which were very difficult. 49 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,960 And they had just opened, this was 1996, they had just opened forensic science. 50 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,720 It was a brand new science before CSI even came on TV. 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,440 And it was so interesting to me because I was always curious about those things. 52 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,320 So I started going that way and taking forensic science, which is under chemistry. 53 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:51,360 And I ended up getting my degree in forensic chemistry instead of just playing chemistry. 54 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:52,520 But it was a brand new program. 55 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,300 So it was really interesting to me. 56 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,720 Has this area always been something you've been interested in or did that interest spark 57 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:58,720 later in life? 58 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,240 Well, I think I've always been curious about why people do things, what drives somebody 59 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,920 over an edge to commit a murder or hurt somebody or do something like that. 60 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,360 So I think I've always had that interest in it. 61 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,440 When I was in high school, one of my friends killed themselves with a gun by accident. 62 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,660 So I think it sort of sparked an interest in it. 63 00:04:16,660 --> 00:04:20,000 But it was really neat that it was turning into a science. 64 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,440 Going to school like you guys did, science was so boring in high school. 65 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,400 I don't even remember what it was. 66 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,820 But taking the forensics, I was like, science is so interesting. 67 00:04:28,820 --> 00:04:32,720 And then it was like, how can I bring this into high school so that kids would be interested 68 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,720 in science? 69 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,080 Not everybody can do physics, but everybody can do forensics. 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,560 So it was just always that underlying thing. 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,920 Thank you for sharing, Mrs. Debbie. 72 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,880 We understand you have worked within this field before. 73 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:44,880 What was that like? 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,720 And would you like to share any stories with us? 75 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Well, when I was going to school, because it was a new science, the people they got 76 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,120 to teach it were all the people at the lab in Fort Worth. 77 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,320 I was in Fort Worth, Texas. 78 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,960 So there's a branch of the University of Texas there. 79 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,480 And my teachers were the anthropologists, forensic anthropologists, the forensic toxologists. 80 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,840 They were all from the coroner's office. 81 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,560 And then, of course, they would let us go in and watch autopsies and things like that, 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,800 which were so neat, which a lot of places don't do anymore. 83 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,120 But because it was a new science and they were trying to encourage people to do forensics, 84 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,680 it was so interesting. 85 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,160 So I would love going to autopsies. 86 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,800 And we had this Dr. Pirwani, who was so amazing. 87 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,400 The first time I went, I remember I was teaching a biology class and I took little bags to 88 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,720 take body parts because I thought he'd give me pieces. 89 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,600 He'd let me take parts and he wouldn't let me. 90 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:32,600 That was really interesting. 91 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,600 Yeah, I thought it was funny. 92 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,520 The next time we went, we were going in, we were going to see a gunshot autopsy, which 93 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,520 was so amazing. 94 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,400 You don't just get to see those all the time. 95 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,040 They just brought him in while we were there. 96 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,720 And it so happened that it was an uncle of one of the kids in class. 97 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,160 So they had to pull it. 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,600 We were all going in and then they just shut the whole lab down really quick. 99 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Nurses all have to watch the autopsies. 100 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,120 And we would all sit there and laugh and they would all be passing out. 101 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,440 We thought they were so neat. 102 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,060 And the nurses would all be like passing out during the autopsies. 103 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:00,760 We got all the people from Waco. 104 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:01,760 What happened in Waco? 105 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,760 David Koresh. 106 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,520 I think they just made a Netflix documentary out of it where he was a cult leader and he 107 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,040 got all these people to follow him and stuff like that. 108 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,520 And then when the police came and said, you've got to let him go and they were all armed 109 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,120 guards outside, the ATF and the FBI went out. 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,540 It was really sad. 111 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:21,640 Everybody has this idea that every community has a corridor, but you don't have a pathologist 112 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,200 everywhere, a forensic pathologist. 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,200 And we had it. 114 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,240 What was the transition like from your old job to coming to Bangkok to teach? 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,240 Was it a good adjustment? 116 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,440 Yeah, it was really cool. 117 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,320 Well, you know, I went from Fort Worth to Hong Kong. 118 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,920 So I taught in Hong Kong for five years and I actually was doing biology and forensics. 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:42,180 And so the transition from there was much harder because retiring, because I was 62 120 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:45,480 when I left Fort Worth and just different and going to Hong Kong. 121 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,520 So once you're in Hong Kong, you're living in a different culture. 122 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,680 It's really neat to realize that you get to look at America in a different viewpoint when 123 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,920 you're out of it and how you adjust to their culture. 124 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,640 And so coming here was pretty easy. 125 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,360 It was just moving to another country. 126 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,280 It's sort of exciting to go from place to place. 127 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:05,920 Moving on, what are some favorite things about your current teaching role? 128 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,520 Oh, gosh, I love the forensics part. 129 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,600 That's my favorite class because it's really I treat it like what we did in college. 130 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,240 It's your job and you do your job and you get graded. 131 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,720 So there's not like tests. 132 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,640 It's all hands on, all interactive teaching. 133 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,560 And I think that that works for a lot of people, especially like I'm ADHD. 134 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,600 So it works for me. 135 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,880 And then the chemistry is always fun. 136 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:32,320 The AP environmental, it's a little more difficult getting people interested in the environment, 137 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,880 but they're all really cool classes. 138 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,480 So you can't complain. 139 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,220 And most of the people are pretty interactive. 140 00:07:38,220 --> 00:07:41,520 Like in America, they're not maybe as driven, all of them. 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,640 But here everybody's you have a more mix of probably 80 percent of them really want to 142 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,640 do well. 143 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,600 So they're going to listen and that's pretty cool. 144 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,040 What are some of the main benefits in learning about forensic science and criminology? 145 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,240 Well, it's such a growing field. 146 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,680 When I started, it was not. 147 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,520 It was so small and you have very few choices. 148 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,120 You could be the crime scene person, which is usually somebody who works at the lab. 149 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,040 But now it's such a big field. 150 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,640 Crime is not going away. 151 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,800 It's just there and it's gotten bigger in the fact that now we can investigate it. 152 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,240 We have the Internet and we're noticing more things. 153 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,960 And it's sort of sad, but good, you know, that it's just the field is getting bigger 154 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,960 and bigger. 155 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,880 There are so many different aspects. 156 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,500 You can be a forensic blood pattern. 157 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:26,860 You can be just a voice pattern detective where you just study voice patterns. 158 00:08:26,860 --> 00:08:31,400 And so in America and other places, Thailand has an amazing forensics department. 159 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:32,680 I think it's Mahidol. 160 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:33,680 It's just growing. 161 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:35,320 It's never getting smaller. 162 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,980 It's just now we're getting better at detecting it. 163 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:40,560 So now we need more people involved in it. 164 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:41,880 Plus we're specializing it. 165 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,020 Like when you go into engineering, you have different. 166 00:08:44,020 --> 00:08:48,160 And now we have we even have forensic engineers who do buildings that collapse like they'll 167 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:53,640 go to Turkey or wasn't it that just had the earthquake and they will study what was wrong 168 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:54,640 with the buildings. 169 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,520 A forensic engineer. 170 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,160 What is your advice to those interested in studying these areas? 171 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,960 I think you have to find a good college that, you know, teaches it. 172 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,840 I mean, we think we have a thing that if we go to these colleges, top colleges, that they're 173 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,280 the best in everything. 174 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,680 But it's not always that way. 175 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,720 One of the top in the world is Yongsius. 176 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,280 Number three, you know, the top college if you're Korean, you want to go to this one. 177 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,160 Well, that's not the top in forensic. 178 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,800 So you really have to look for a college that is teaching criminology and figure out what 179 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,800 you want to do. 180 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Do you want to be a toxicologist? 181 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Do you want to be a who just works with the blood and things like that? 182 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,760 Or do you want to be a crime scene investigator? 183 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:36,880 Do you want to be a policeman? 184 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,820 Do you want to work for the FBI, which is an amazing job? 185 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:45,160 We have all the alphabet agencies in America, the DEA, the FBI, the CIA, and all of those 186 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,160 are excellent jobs that pay very well. 187 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,440 And they're very exciting. 188 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,200 You can go all over the world because DEA is everywhere. 189 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,960 The FBI has branches internationally, has branches. 190 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,480 So it's a really good thing. 191 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,520 And a lot of countries are stepping up, like Korea has great programs in those. 192 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Thailand is getting into that and doing really well with their, you know, now with the internet, 193 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,960 you can cooperate worldwide with these different things, Interpol and different ones. 194 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,440 So it's just a great field. 195 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,720 And I think it's not always the same. 196 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,400 I guess that's what was exciting to me too. 197 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Like when I teach it every day in forensics, it's different. 198 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Where chemistry, you know, you're going to be doing this, you're going to be doing acid 199 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:23,720 base, you're going to be doing this. 200 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,680 But every crime scene is different. 201 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:27,800 And so it's really neat to have that. 202 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,440 Are there any other ICS courses that could also be used in forensics? 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,040 Yes, forensic psychology is huge. 204 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,520 A lot of people are going into the psychology of serial killers, which fascinate everybody. 205 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,080 I mean, I think everybody in my class is fascinated by them. 206 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,000 I watch every documentary I can on different serial killers just to understand how they 207 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 think. 208 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,360 So those are really great courses, you know, that you can go into and study. 209 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,400 It's like the books that were written by the FBI has a huge department. 210 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,320 Mind Hunters, which is a book written by them, by the guy setting up that behavioral science 211 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,320 department. 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,560 The behavioral science department's different places hire forensic psychologists so that 213 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:12,360 they can interview these people so they can figure out how they can solve other crimes. 214 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:18,440 But also, you know, can we now tell in youth and young people what are the indicators that 215 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,080 would lead them to commit crimes like that? 216 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,180 That's what Mind Hunters is that the FBI developed this program. 217 00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:26,180 The guy wrote the book. 218 00:11:26,180 --> 00:11:30,560 He was trying to start the program of the behavioral science department at the FBI. 219 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,800 And they really were like, oh, we don't need that. 220 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,800 We don't need that. 221 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,640 And he said, no, if I actually, and they based Mind Hunters on his book, which is Mind Hunters. 222 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,560 And they said, if he was like, if I interview serial killers, then I will be able to tell 223 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:48,780 what to look for and do a profile on them, which is really big now, profiling. 224 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:54,200 And so he started interviewing and they finally gave him the OK to Go interview at Kemper, 225 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,700 who is a terrible serial killer. 226 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:58,520 And so he went in and it was so interesting to watch. 227 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,300 Mind Hunters has him interviewing him and listening to some of the interviews, even 228 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:04,360 in class now that are posted. 229 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,160 There's no emotion there. 230 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,720 Like he interviewed Gacy and they're just like talking about, I didn't do anything wrong. 231 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,020 I don't understand that. 232 00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:13,600 Would you like a cup of tea? 233 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,260 And they'll sit down and have tea and they just talk like it's not a big deal. 234 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:22,620 So that part is really interesting because we can use that to do the profiles later. 235 00:12:22,620 --> 00:12:27,960 What makes a serial killer, where we found out they always like to have a modus operandi, 236 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,260 they always do things the same way. 237 00:12:30,260 --> 00:12:32,660 These are not dumb people by any means. 238 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:36,620 These are people that have above average IQ because they're getting away with it. 239 00:12:36,620 --> 00:12:39,680 So forensic psychology really leans into that. 240 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:50,660 And with that intriguing discussion, we'll be right back after a short PSA. 241 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:55,180 The ICS entrepreneurship classes are organizing their first ever entrepreneurship fair. 242 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:57,900 It will be held from April 24 to April 28. 243 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:00,300 And small businesses will be presented at the fair. 244 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:03,900 Students, teachers, parents, and community members will be able to order or purchase 245 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:04,900 products. 246 00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:06,480 The tables will be located in the HS Commons. 247 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,100 The students will be selling and promoting a variety of clothing, accessories, foods, 248 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:11,220 drinks, and more. 249 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:14,820 You can check out the businesses on social media and see more details on posters posted 250 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:15,860 all around the school. 251 00:13:15,860 --> 00:13:30,100 Be sure to come out and support Mr. Jason's entrepreneurship students. 252 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:31,900 We are back with part two. 253 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:36,900 And for this segment, instead of focusing on serious and oftentimes eerie crime stories, 254 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:41,220 with Mrs. Debbie's help, we'll like to share a few funny and dumb criminal stories, crime 255 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:43,720 stories that did not go well for the bad guys. 256 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,580 With that said, Lyon will get us started. 257 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:49,580 A bank robber in Ohio thought that he had successfully disguised himself by painting 258 00:13:49,580 --> 00:13:51,580 his face with black shoe polish. 259 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:55,180 Unfortunately, the dye began to run down his face in the middle of the robbery, making 260 00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:56,940 him look like a raccoon. 261 00:13:56,940 --> 00:13:58,580 Police had no trouble identifying him. 262 00:13:58,580 --> 00:14:02,540 Mrs. Debbie, do you have any thoughts or comments about this dumb criminal or maybe even some 263 00:14:02,540 --> 00:14:03,540 advice? 264 00:14:03,540 --> 00:14:04,540 Yeah, use better paint. 265 00:14:04,540 --> 00:14:06,460 This is like, yeah, that's really dumb. 266 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:09,160 But yeah, if you're going to rob somebody, use better paint. 267 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,580 He should have tested it beforehand, not shoe polish. 268 00:14:11,580 --> 00:14:13,220 Why not just a mask? 269 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:15,620 That would have been an idea too, you know. 270 00:14:15,620 --> 00:14:20,180 A thief and friends stole a cell phone and then took a selfie with it, not realizing 271 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:24,480 that the photo automatically uploaded to the owner's cloud storage. 272 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,700 The owner was able to see the thief's face and location and turn the information over 273 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:29,700 to the police. 274 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:34,140 Now, Mrs. Debbie, in relation to this story and technology, what are your thoughts about 275 00:14:34,140 --> 00:14:37,100 technology and crime, positive or negative? 276 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,940 Technology is, I love technology. 277 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:40,240 It's a two-edged sword. 278 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,380 It has such good points. 279 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:45,140 I mean, the things that we're doing in forensics that they are now doing with technology are 280 00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:49,900 amazing, like facial recognition, the fact that you can identify somebody. 281 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:53,360 But also, like China claims they can find you in 10 minutes now. 282 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,380 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 283 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:58,700 Because they have so many CCTVs out there and stuff. 284 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,900 So yes, it's very good, but unfortunately, you always get the bad side too. 285 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:07,500 And we don't really look at those kind of things like the dark web, but we do know they 286 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:11,860 exist and we do know there's a lot of crime that goes on in that area, especially with 287 00:15:11,860 --> 00:15:13,260 pornography. 288 00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:18,740 Even today, 500,000 pictures of child porn are loaded a week, even though we think it's 289 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:19,740 not. 290 00:15:19,740 --> 00:15:22,980 And with technology, with the VPN now, you can just bounce yourself all over. 291 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:27,920 So it's big for those kinds of things and it's also big for human trafficking. 292 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:28,980 So there's good and bad. 293 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:31,260 We're definitely putting a warning label on this episode. 294 00:15:31,260 --> 00:15:32,260 Sorry. 295 00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:37,620 OK, so in 2015, two teenagers dressed like ninjas attempted to rob a Pittsburgh convenience 296 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:38,860 store with machetes. 297 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:42,220 However, they were chased off by the store clerk who wept out a bigger sword. 298 00:15:42,220 --> 00:15:45,700 Now, Mrs. Debbie, after hearing this story, do you have any thoughts about the ideal method 299 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:46,700 of self-defense? 300 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:51,780 Well, I would say they should have been prepared and have a bigger weapon. 301 00:15:51,780 --> 00:15:54,500 Don't dress like a ninja if you can't back it up. 302 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:57,260 Personally, most people are not going to do self-defense. 303 00:15:57,260 --> 00:16:00,980 The best thing if you're robbed is just give them this stuff and get out of there alive. 304 00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:04,900 OK, that would be the best advice to you because most people you're I'm not equipped to do 305 00:16:04,900 --> 00:16:06,260 karate or ninja. 306 00:16:06,260 --> 00:16:07,780 So just give them the stuff. 307 00:16:07,780 --> 00:16:11,220 Insurance covers it and your life is more and if it doesn't, your life is more valuable 308 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,220 than 20 bucks. 309 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:13,900 I would say don't use self-defense. 310 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,140 Let you really know what you're doing. 311 00:16:16,140 --> 00:16:20,500 There's a difference between if you're walking to your car at night for women in America. 312 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:25,780 A lot of women have spray, pepper spray or something that is easier to use in case of 313 00:16:25,780 --> 00:16:29,660 those things or walking with your car keys in your hand between your fingers and not. 314 00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:32,840 I mean, there are always things that you can do to protect yourself. 315 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,780 If you know, you know, if you have somebody come at you as far as trying to ninja somebody 316 00:16:37,780 --> 00:16:42,060 or something that is probably not going to happen and it's not going to be good for you. 317 00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:47,700 A burglar in California accidentally but dialed 911 while he was breaking into a car and his 318 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:51,780 entire conversation with his accomplice was recorded on the emergency line. 319 00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:55,340 The police used the recording to track down an arrest boatman. 320 00:16:55,340 --> 00:16:59,220 Mrs. Debbie, have you ever accidentally dialed 911 or another emergency number? 321 00:16:59,220 --> 00:17:02,500 No, I don't know how you accidentally dial 911. 322 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:03,500 That's sort of funny. 323 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,900 Not an emergency number, but other numbers by accident. 324 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:08,220 Yes, but not an emergency number. 325 00:17:08,220 --> 00:17:12,300 A man in Texas tried to rob a convenience store using a water pistol, but the cashier 326 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:15,420 quickly realized it wasn't a real gun and pulled out his own handgun. 327 00:17:15,420 --> 00:17:18,700 The would-be robber fled the scene, leaving behind his wallet and identification. 328 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:21,860 Mrs. Debbie, in your experience, what are some instincts people have when confronting 329 00:17:21,860 --> 00:17:24,140 with a situation requiring self-defense? 330 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:25,980 That's really, yeah, that's really interesting. 331 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:27,860 How did you know it was a water gun for one thing? 332 00:17:27,860 --> 00:17:29,140 He had to be pretty astute. 333 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:32,820 So pulling out your own gun, that's a little scary. 334 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:37,300 We ran a restaurant in America for 25 years, and we got robbed all the time. 335 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:40,220 And the biggest thing is just give him the money and let him go. 336 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:41,700 The insurance is going to cover it. 337 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:43,380 Don't try to be a hero. 338 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:47,660 Plus, when those happen, in those situations, like when they put the gun in my face when 339 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:49,780 we got robbed, all I could see was the gun. 340 00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:51,460 I couldn't even count the money out. 341 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:52,600 The guy was like, give me the money. 342 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,780 And I couldn't even give him the money. 343 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:54,780 You just freeze. 344 00:17:54,780 --> 00:17:57,100 So everybody's going to have a different reaction to that. 345 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:01,260 So saying, oh, I'm pulling out a gun, that could be, how did he know it was a water gun? 346 00:18:01,260 --> 00:18:02,840 And yeah, that's a little tricky. 347 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,660 So I would be a little careful there. 348 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:09,500 Like I said, self-defense, unless you're really good at it, and even if you're good at it, 349 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:10,500 it's not a good idea. 350 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:11,700 So give him the money. 351 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:12,740 Let him take it. 352 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:13,820 Is your life worth it? 353 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:19,220 A man in Oregon called the police to report that his car had been stolen, only to realize 354 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:22,300 after the call that he had left his phone in the car. 355 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:26,140 When the police called the stolen phone to get more information, the thief answered and 356 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:27,140 was quickly uphanded. 357 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:30,980 Mrs. Debbie, from your knowledge, what do thieves actually do with their cars they steal? 358 00:18:30,980 --> 00:18:33,180 They're so funny, these stories. 359 00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:35,260 Most of the time, when I was a kid, they joyride it. 360 00:18:35,260 --> 00:18:36,780 That is not true anymore. 361 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:40,780 Most of the cars that are stolen today in Thailand and even in America are used for 362 00:18:40,780 --> 00:18:42,740 parts or shipped overseas. 363 00:18:42,740 --> 00:18:46,780 So they take them to what is called a chop shop, especially having a nice car, and they'll 364 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:50,380 take the catalytic converter, different parts off of it that they need. 365 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:51,380 And that even happens here. 366 00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:55,940 A lot of the cars, in fact, I think a couple of weeks ago, they broke up a ring that was 367 00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:57,160 stealing cars. 368 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,300 And what they were doing them is replacing the VIN numbers, scraping and giving them 369 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:02,960 new VIN numbers and shipping them overseas to sell. 370 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,700 And they said one, they were sitting at a gas station and sold this Audi that they bought 371 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:10,300 for like 3 million baht or some ridiculous thing. 372 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:13,620 Well, wouldn't you think if somebody came up to you and offered you a car, an Audi for 373 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:16,260 3 million baht, that it was like, eh. 374 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:17,940 So it's not joyriding anymore. 375 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:20,820 It's mostly used in other crimes or sent overseas. 376 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:21,820 Yeah. 377 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:26,060 So that's a good time for this last segment, but before ending, we all love a good bank 378 00:19:26,060 --> 00:19:27,060 heist movie. 379 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:30,540 So here are a few real bank robbery statistics. 380 00:19:30,540 --> 00:19:36,620 According to the FBI, Friday was the most popular day to rob a bank in the year 2019. 381 00:19:36,620 --> 00:19:40,140 The most common time is between 3 and 6 p.m. 382 00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:45,020 And the biggest bank robbery ever was led by Saddam Hussein in 2003. 383 00:19:45,020 --> 00:19:51,800 He robbed the central bank of Iraq and it's reported that he stole over $920 million dollars 384 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,260 in cash using three semi trucks. 385 00:19:54,260 --> 00:19:59,260 Also, there were zero bank robberies in South Africa in 2020. 386 00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:06,660 And in contrast, there were over 1330 bank robberies in the United States in 2020. 387 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:12,860 And lastly, the oldest bank robber in the U.S. was J.L. Hunter Rowntree and he was 92 388 00:20:12,860 --> 00:20:17,720 years old. 389 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,820 And that wraps up our episode about crime. 390 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:24,660 As we end this episode, we'd like to thank our guests and give a big shout out to all 391 00:20:24,660 --> 00:20:29,200 the dumb criminals out there and helping us put together the content for this episode. 392 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,120 Our next episode will focus on the topic of foreign languages, where we hear from some 393 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:38,120 foreign language teachers and get some good insight into words or phrases that just don't 394 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:39,340 translate well. 395 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:44,200 As always, this podcast will not be possible without the hard work and support of our international 396 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,560 student production team. 397 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,380 All music and sound effects are courtesy of Pixabay.com, a vibrant community of creatives 398 00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:51,820 sharing copyright free images, videos and music. 399 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:53,960 And we are signing off until next time. 400 00:20:53,960 --> 00:21:20,880 We are Students Incorporated because your voice matters.